💾 Archived View for midnight.pub › replies › 1530 captured on 2022-04-29 at 14:33:11. Gemini links have been rewritten to link to archived content

View Raw

More Information

⬅️ Previous capture (2021-12-03)

➡️ Next capture (2023-12-28)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

< Modernism, Post-modernism, and Neo-modernism.

Parent

~tskaalgard

You're the only one talking about a "silver bullet" here. I never brought that up at all, and you're also reading a lot more into all of this than is necessary. Both matter and energy are material realities, I'm not trying to say energy doesn't exist (where did this even come from??).

Slow down and approach words at face value.

Write a reply

Replies

~pink2ds wrote:

By "silver bullet" I mean "a sure-fire method for finding out the rules of the universe".

You wrote: "all inhabit the same universe with the same rules".

That's what I mean by "silver bullet perspective"; the perspective that we know, or are about to know, the rules for the universe.

Post-modernism, to me, is the idea that maybe the cosmos is more of a black box of weirdness than we first thought. Maybe things aren't so clear cut.

To me, that's a valuabe idea.

a rigorous scientific method

The notion that epistemology would be a finished field and that a perfect scientific method would have been discovered is exactly what I meant by "silver bullet". The scientific method is the silver bullets that is leading us to true answers.

But science doesn't always work like that. Sometimes true ideas are discovered in weird ways.

Some times we know one thing and we know another thing but those two things seem to disprove or contradict each other. In post-modernism, that's easy to deal with since it's all about trying to juggle a bunch of perspectives.

"Aspect to Aspect", from Making Comics

In classical modernism, any such contradictions or inconsistencies were a sign of Heresy and Blasphemy. I'm not onboard with that. General relativity and quantum mechanics are incompatible, and, I'm OK with that. That only motivates us even more to keep looking. It might take a while, it's been an issue in physics for over a century now.

If we're on the same page about this "being OK with inconsistencies" thing, then we're on the same page and there's no debate. And, you can thank post-modernism and relativism and hippie magic for that. That was a huge contribution to thought from post-modernism.

(Or as Marshall Berman calls it in All That Is Solid Melts Into Air: modernism. In other words, his schtick is that modernism is so mutable that the changes that post-modernism brought are themselves inherently part of modernism, and that there's no "post-" about it.)

Here are some issues with the scientific method

It's tangled enough that there's an entire branch of philosophy wrestling with it

Slow down

Oh, I'm not upset, don't worry.

approach words at face value

Kind of also want to provide some context to words in addition to their face values.