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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/08/89 18:08 Msg:4324 Call:23820 Lines:5
20 Admitting error clears the score and proves you wiser than before.
21 Arthur Guiterman
22 ********************* Disk #100.5 *************************************
23 Some say the end is near. I say that it is only the beginning.
24 ***********************************************************************
003=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/08/89 19:23 Msg:4325 Call:23823 Lines:5
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26 After FIVE years of modeming, at last, on the TOP!
27 Friar: WWhat condition is the story in? After a week, no new entries... Have
28 we reached a creative dry spell? An update would be MOST helpful right now!
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004=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/08/89 19:48 Msg:4326 Call:23824 Lines:12
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31 So in other words, you would like to keep getting one-sided news stories with
32 inane side comments and attaboys for left-wing pantywaists. I see. Hmmm, just
33 a sec while I try to find a bucket of sand to loan you. Aw heck, you can have
34 it!
35
36 As for easily defeated logs, what are you doing defeating logs, anyway? Did
37 the logs ask you to defeat them? Exactly what did they ever do to you to
38 deserve this defeating treatment you are giving them. Geez, what a bully.
39 Next time, pick on someone your own size, like the CIA's new ultra-secret
40 NIFTY computer generated code. Heh heh.
41 ======================---------------============Charitable===========---------
005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/08/89 22:25 Msg:4327 Call:23830 Lines:11
42 &*&*&*&*'s
43 Sure its lopsided, I don't know of any media that isn't. The media tends to
44 serve itself more then anybody else. Don't think I buy everything I read,
45 and taking an extreme view you could view these news stories as fiction.
46 Albeit not very origional.
47
48 Oh well, time I took these scattered brain cells to bed.
49
50 An Astral Dreamer
51 &*&*&*&*'s
52
006=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 09/08/89 22:38 Msg:4328 Call:23831 Lines:18
53 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>08-SEP-89
54 Contrary to popular belief, the Ultimate answer to life, the universe and every
55 thing is NOT 42. It is, infact, maybe. We have no proof of this, however; no
56 one has been able to disputet it.
57
58 Maybe is a more logical answer than 42. For instance- Does it matter, cosmicly
59 speaking, that I go to work? 42, Does that fit? Does it make sense? No!
60
61 Try this- If everybody ignores the law of gravity, would apples fall up? 42?
62 What?
63
64 In both cases, maybe fits much better than 42. Our apologies to Deep Thought,
65 but; nice try.
66
67 For Thought For The Disk, I'm Phoenix Polymorph.
68
69 WWIII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NW0
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007=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/08/89 23:33 Msg:4329 Call:23834 Lines:36
71
72
73 {+}{+}{+}{+}
74
75 The News Junkie Says:
76
77 One thing you gotta say about George Bush's
78 War On Drugs so far...
79 it sure put a stop to The Iranian Hostage Crisis.
80
81 Tammy Faye had a great quote the other day, in reference to
82 Jim having to "bend over in front of all those men" for his
83 daily strip search :
84
85 "This should not be allowed in the United States of America."
86 Well, shucks.
87 There are a lot of things that shouldn't be allowed, Tammy...
88 THAT'S WHY JIM IS ON TRIAL
89
90 Another fine quote :
91 NBC News Anchorbabe Deborah Norville, talking about one of
92 the teen female heinous crime perpetrators she interviewed
93 for the critically loathed and highly rated NBC News Special
94 { "Bad Girls" :
95
96 "And she was really pretty,too....she could have been a
97 model."
98 OR A NETWORK NEWS ANCHOR
99
100
101 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
102 That's The News And I Am Outta Here
103
104
105 {+}{+}{+}{+}
106
008=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/09/89 12:51 Msg:4330 Call:23844 Lines:64
107 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
108 >But what both Friar and I have been saying is that *statements* may be true,
109 > false, or anything inbetween. Your example above will do quite well:
110 > "water boils". The statement may be true or it may be false. But it requires
111 > information not present in the statement OR IN THE RULES OF DISCOURSE to
112 > determine which.
113
114 Of course. A collection of glyphs can have no logical value unless
115 they are assigned a meaning, but that meaning is (in my view) within
116 the realm of fact and therefore subject to strict truth or falsehood.
117 Sure I have to know what "water" is and what "boil" means before I can
118 logically evaluate the sentence, and I'll have to have some sort of
119 evidence in order to come to a conclusion, but in the end water either
120 boils (under *some* set of conditions) or it does not. All I'm saying
121 is that the *meaning* of a statement must be true or false. I hope
122 you didn't think me so foolish as to think that English statements
123 somehow had value separate from their meanings.
124 I'm not saying you can't make a statement that you're unsure about
125 (and could therefore call "probably true") or that you can't make a
126 more accurate statement (closer to the Truth) and call it "truer"
127 than another statement, but in the absolute sense a statement's
128 meaning is always either true or false.
129
130 > That Is why I said it is almost impossible to make a true
131 > statement about reality.
132 > The statement must be able to stand on it's own.
133
134 If you mean that the statement must stand alone without its meaning,
135 I agree completely with your conclusion. It is already divorced
136 from reality, therefore it can have no correlation with it. It is,
137 however, very easy to make a statement whose meaning is true - just
138 make a statement and it's complement - one and only one meaning can
139 be true. If you wish to make the distinction, I'll concede that a
140 sentence, stripped of its meaning, cannot be logically evaluated,
141 but once a meaning has been assigned (through the rules of the
142 language, etc.), that meaning must have a truth value or be
143 paradoxical.
144
145 >Likewise, "This sentence is false" can't be a paradox, because the only means
146 >of parsing it that will even give it the appearance of one is English. English
147 >st a "formal system". Thus it can't have paradoxes...
148
149 Sure, "This sentence is false." makes a great English sentence. It
150 has a subject, a verb, etc.. One can apply the laws of English to
151 it and come up with a meaning. However, if one applies logic to
152 that meaning, one will discover that it is nonsensical. I fused
153 the two steps in earlier discussions because we were discussing
154 facts, not language (perhaps I should not have).
155 Hmmm, differentiating the steps does bring into account
156 another level of abstraction, and this *could* make the sentence
157 non-self-referential since the *sentence* would fall under the
158 category of English, while the *meaning* of the sentence would
159 be in the realm of logic. False wouldn't be a terribly applicable
160 adjective to an English sentence, but I see where you might
161 conclude that the sentence is not about its meaning. This would
162 be a nice convention for self-referentials (doesn't really apply
163 anything else) if it is consistent with the rest of the language.
164 Is this what you meant? This makes sense to me.
165
166 "If I had a mine shaft, I don't think I would just abandon it. _
167 There's got to be a better way." /#)
168 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
169 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
170 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
009=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 09/09/89 23:14 Msg:4331 Call:23854 Lines:6
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172 I promise. A story entry some time before Monday
173 is over. Lots Happening right now.
174 [][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][]
175 PS Milch- 2 file boxes so far, through 1985.
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010=Usr:4 Milchar 09/10/89 01:19 Msg:4332 Call:23858 Lines:6
177 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
178 Friar: Let me know how the print head on your printer holds up.
179 It seems to me that printer manufacturers could use the BWMS archives
180 as a print test. "Our printers are tough- three archives later, they
181 still are going strong!" :-)
182 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
011=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/10/89 11:51 Msg:4333 Call:23864 Lines:5
183 A survey of hotel bills from last year's National Religious Broadcasters
184 Association convention found that 80% of them watched an X-rated movie
185 in the privacy of their rooms. Just doing a little research on the enemy,
186 we suppose.
187 *************************** CM *****************************************
012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/10/89 18:08 Msg:4334 Call:23873 Lines:17
188 &*&*&*&*'s
189 Not much happening here today.
190
191 I went on an album buying sprey last weekend. (BTW swob, how are your
192 aquisitions?) Boght three of the B52's albums, Dire straights Making movies
193 and They Might be Giants first Album. Not a dud in the bunch. I especially
194 like a line from on of the TMBG's song. 'Life is just a mood ring we're
195 not allowed to see.`
196
197 Fun stuff and well worth the money. And barring theft I'll be able to enjoy
198 them for years, as I long ago gave up vinyle. It really is nice to be
199 able to get the alternate groups in a more lasting format.
200
201 An Astral Dreamer (Who has trouble finding people to listen to some of the
202 stuff he buys.)
203 &*&*&*&*'s
204
013=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/10/89 18:27 Msg:4335 Call:23875 Lines:4
205
206 I don't think sysops should be allowed to take vacations or get new girl-
207 friends ...
208
014=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/10/89 20:18 Msg:4336 Call:23876 Lines:1
209 or have computers that don't work.... ;-9
015=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/11/89 15:47 Msg:4337 Call:23887 Lines:2
210 WorkLurk.
211
016=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/11/89 17:01 Msg:4338 Call:23888 Lines:21
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213 Friar: Okay then, I guess it would be for the best if I gave you a little
214 update on what is going on, since I think the disk that contained my last
215 literary entry was on scrolled away into the inky blackness of he Archives.
216 As we have it now, Friar is on the road, following the girl, with the two
217 strangers from the Inn far behind him.
218 Then the Cloaked Man appears, states that Friar is responsible for "crimes
219 against his world" and points a thin strip of steel that appears to be a
220 bent coat hanger at his intended target, citing his responsibility as "the
221 Judge, the One who Decides, and the One Who Carries Out."
222 Brief Description Run-Down: The Cloaked Man is, of course, cloaked in a blue,
223 sparkling shroud, with gold fasteners. His voice carries a metallic tint, and
224 his eyes appear misted over. What would appear to be electrical energy courses
225 around him. He appeared to Friar in two different forms. First, that of a
226 green cloud (which conceals at first, since the sky of Pyrrix Aaaal is green)
227 and then in the humanoid form that now confronts him. He is dressed fairly
228 well, albiet out of place on P.A.
229
230 Just thought I'd let you know what your character saw. As I said, all of the
231 above was said earlier, but I think you might have missed it.
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017=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/12/89 10:31 Msg:4339 Call:23897 Lines:18
233 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
234 Astral: My acquisitions? Much like you said, not a dud in the bunch.
235 I'm particularly pleased with the T Bone Burnett album (which
236 I bought sound unheard), but I've learned to watch it with his
237 stuff, since he *used* to dabble in near-country (yechh!).
238 I especially like the line, 'I get the feeling that as soon as
239 something appears in the paper it ceases to be true.'
240 Oh, and the entire song that's a cliche' (You Could Look It Up)
241 - a real kick when you listen close. Still not as good as Tonio,
242 tho.
243
244 "If a kid asks you where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to
245 tell him is, 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is crying,
246 another cute thing to tell him is, 'Probably because of something _
247 *you* did." /#)
248 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
249 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
250 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
018=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/12/89 12:11 Msg:4340 Call:23898 Lines:4
251 *%()@#$*%_@#)_(@$)_(#@_)!$_)@#(%$)_^)_#^)_$(#^)_$#*^)_#()_($)_%()_#(%@)_$#(%
252 To you B52 buyers out there - listen close to "Private Idaho", it says a lot
253 about the socio-economic conditions of our society. Really a lot...
254 *%@*%)_@%)_^*)_#@(^)_#@(^)_^@^ L'homme sans Parity *%_)#@%_#)@(%)_#@%)_#@(%@
019=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/12/89 19:27 Msg:4341 Call:23909 Lines:14
255
256 @)(*^!@#+@(#{body}amp;^*#_@#$+@$_*#^)!+)(+!)@#(|!#)&!^(*%#!@#_*@+#$()@_+)#^&!)@&#%
257
258 Why don't you just tell us ??? What's B52 and "Private Idaho" anyway??
259 And WHERE's BigHam ... he sure is shirking his responsibilities lately. I
260 LIVED by the BP. I don't know who people are elsewhere.
261
262 _^!@#+)@$(+)#!%(!#@|_)|!_#!(&@#!K!)(*#!+(@#!~%@(&^~@^(*+#_!@~(^(+~!@$_^~@
263
264
265 And what's the deal with CBBS/NW?
266
267 ... not that it was THAT interesting ... just wonderin'
268
020=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/12/89 19:46 Msg:4342 Call:23910 Lines:14
269 &*&*&*&*'s
270 As for social meaning I can`t be sure as it is a bit hard to tell what is being
271 said on 'private idaho.' I'll have to listen awhile longer before I am sure.
272
273 The album it comes off of is 'Wild Planet' by the B52's. Came out in 1980.
274 Also has some other really great tracks such as 'dirty back road' and 'strobe
275 light.' It was their second album BTW. (Available now on CD.)
276
277 Does anybody know the name of their '86 album? It's the only one I need to
278 complete my collection.
279
280 An Astral Dreamer
281 &*&*&*&*'s
282
021=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 09/12/89 19:59 Msg:4343 Call:23911 Lines:57
283 696969696969
284 9/08/89 By PATRICK McDOWELL Associated Press Writer
285 PARIS (AP) -- A year after radiocarbon tests found the Shroud of Turin to be
286 only 700 years old, a participant in a shroud symposium said Friday the bright
287 light of the Resurrection may have altered the aging process.
288 "Many of the questions boil down to this," said Jacques Evin, an engineer at
289 the Radiocarbon Laboratory of Lyon. "In the event of the Resurrection of Christ
290 would there have been a sufficient burst of light to alter the process of carbo
291 decay?"
292 The Paris International Scientific Symposium on the Shroud of Turin gave
293 "shroudies" -- dedicated students of what is purported to be the burial cloth o
294 Jesus Christ -- their first chance to contest the findings issued in October
295 1988.
296 "It is a most unusual object and it's an object that means a lot of things t
297 a lot of people," said Professor Michael Tite of the British Museum research
298 laboratory at the end of the two-day gathering. "Anything you do with it is
299 bound to cause controversy."
300 Tite was at the heart of the debate last year. He headed one of three
301 laboratories that said the shroud was made about 700 years ago, 13 centuries
302 after the death of Christ. Scientific teams from the University of Arizona and
303 University of Zurich also participated.
304 Rather than resolving questions of the shroud's authenticity, the radiocarbo
305 tests appear to have become a new source of argument.
306 The 14-yard-long cloth bears a faint, yellowish negative image of the front
307 and back of a man with thorn marks on the head, lacerations from flogging on th
308 back and bruises on the shoulders, suggestive of accounts of Christ's
309 crucifixion.
310 It has been kept in Italy's Cathedral of Turin since the Middle Ages, when
311 creation of false religious relics was widespread. The now-retired Roman
312 Catholic cardinal there, Anastasio Ballestrero, invited scientists last year to
313 test samples the size of postage stamps with radiocarbon dating techniques.
314 Datings by the laboratories ranged from 1260 to 1390. Ballestrero eventually
315 endorsed the results, but said the shroud's significance as an object of deep
316 religious faith was unchanged.
317 Few symposium participants contested the test results, but Evin and others
318 questioned whether the cloth had been altered somehow to produce an inaccurate
319 reading.
320 Tite was skeptical of Evin's theory.
321 "It seems to me a slight coincidence that, if there was a burst of radiation
322 it would have been just enough to date the cloth to the 14th century," he said.
323 Some of the 100 spectators cheered when one of their number insisted the
324 scientists had tested a piece of the cloth near a seam that was restored in the
325 16th or 17th century.
326 "We do not have a pure specimen," he declared. "It was contaminated. There
327 were threads from the 16th century extending into the main part of the shroud.
328 think we may be dealing with a clever forger who rewove the threads."
329 Tite said the results would have been affected only if 60-70 percent of the
330 cloth were rewoven.
331 John Jackson, 43, of Colorado Springs, Colo., said density measurements of
332 the frontal image on the cloth appear to show a body was lifted through it, but
333 he stopped well short of calling the phenomenon evidence of the Resurrection.
334 "I don't want to get into too much speculation on the religious
335 implications," said Jackson, who has studied the shroud for 15 years. "If the
336 shroud is medieval, then this image was formed then.
337 "I'm also open to the fact that if someone else can explain this image in a
338 conventional way, then that should take priority over mine."
339
022=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 09/12/89 20:10 Msg:4344 Call:23912 Lines:91
340 9/06/89 By PAUL NOWELL Associated Press Writer
341 CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- A federal judge ruled Jim Bakker competent to stand
342 trial on fraud charges Wednesday after a government psychiatrist testified the
343 PTL founder was not going crazy when he broke down last week.
344 Bakker's trial resumed nearly a week after he was found hiding under a couch
345 and hallucinating in his lawyer's office last Thursday. He was sent to a federa
346 prison in Butner for psychiatric evaluation.
347 "For the first time in three years, the whole situation came home to him and
348 he began to cry," Sally Johnson, chief of psychiatric services at the prison,
349 told U.S. District Judge Robert Potter.
350 "He is not going crazy," Ms. Johnson testified with jurors absent. "He has n
351 hidden mental illness. The stress that he's feeling is normal. I can't rule it
352 out that it won't happen again, but I can't rule it in either."
353 Potter ordered Bakker released from federal marshals' custody and asked
354 Bakker, who was brought to court in leg irons and handcuffs, to stand and answe
355 qestions.
356 "Do you understand what you are on trial here for?" the judge asked Bakker,
357 who is accused of fleecing followers of his PTL ministry.
358 "Yes sir," Bakker responded quietly.
359 Asked if he was able to assist his lawyers, Bakker said, "I'm very tired, bu
360 I believe I can."
361 Bakker, 49, showed little emotion, sometimes hanging his head and staring at
362 the floor. He wore a suit his wife, Tammy Faye, had brought him.
363 Mrs. Bakker, who attended the hearing with other family members, has
364 protested her husband's treatment at the federal prison hospital.
365 "This should not be allowed in the United States of America," was her only
366 comment as she left the courthouse.
367 Potter, after meeting with attorneys in chambers, also denied defense
368 lawyers' motions for a mistrial, for a continuance and for dismissal of the
369 indictment against Bakker.
370 Bakker, who resigned from the PTL ministry in 1987 during a sex-and-money
371 scandal, went on trial Aug. 28 on conspiracy and fraud charges. Prosecutors sai
372 he used nearly $4 million in ministry funds to live in high style.
373 If convicted on all 24 counts against him, he could could receive 120 years
374 in prison and more than $5 million in fines.
375 After Wednesday's lunch break, former PTL Vice President Steve Nelson, who
376 collapsed under defense cross-examination last Wednesday, resumed testifying fo
377 the prosecution.
378 Questioned by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jerry Miller, Nelson said he went to
379 Bakker and Richard Dortch, another ex-PTL vice president, to express his concer
380 over the number of "lifetime partnerships" sold at Heritage USA, the Christian
381 retreat and amusement park created by Bakker.
382 Prosecutors contend that Bakker oversold partnerships despite his statements
383 on TV and in promotional literature that there was a limit. A $1,000 donation
384 gave a partner free lodging in the 500-room hotel three nights a year.
385 "I told them we had problems getting people in there," Nelson said. "I told
386 them we could not sell more. ..." He said Bakker and Dortch told him to keep
387 selling the partnerships.
388 Dortch, indicted with Bakker, pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud and
389 conspiracy and was sentenced to eight years in prison and a $200,000 fine.
390 Defense attorney Harold Bender, who was questioning Nelson last week when th
391 witness fainted, chose not to cross-examine him Wednesday. In the mistrial
392 motion, Bender said the collapse had prejudiced the jury against Bakker.
393 Bakker appeared more alert during Nelson's testimony. He smiled, chatted wit
394 attorneys and reviewed documents. Mrs. Bakker did not attend the afternoon
395 session.
396 Court was recessed for the day around 5:30 p.m. As Bakker left the
397 courthouse, he waved at photographers and said, "I'm glad to be out of where I
398 was." He also said he had the flu, then got into Bender's BMW sedan and left.
399 During the morning session, Ms. Johnson said her preliminary diagnosis of
400 Bakker was that he had suffered a panic attack after Nelson's collapse. Nelson
401 had testified that he had told Bakker someone could go to prison because of the
402 ministry's financial practices.
403 Bakker didn't come to court the next day, and lawyers told Potter he was
404 hallucinating and hiding his head under a couch at their office.
405 Asked if she thought Bakker had faked his emotional collapse, the doctor sai
406 n.
407 "It was a powerful emotional reaction and release," Ms. Johnson said. "The
408 weight of all these things began to coalesce. ...
409 Ms. Johnson also said Bakker suffered narcissism, or excessive
410 self-absorption, and depression.
411 The psychiatrist said the panic attack was not caused by Bakker's taking an
412 anti-depressant prescribed by his private psychiatrist, but could not rule out
413 that it had had an impact on his mental state. She also testified that Bakker
414 had taken aspirin and is taking an antibiotic for a cold.
415 Assistant U.S. Attorney Jerry Miller asked Ms. Johnson if she felt Bakker wa
416 hallucinating when he left court last week.
417 "I did not label it as hallucinatory phenomena," she replied.
418 She said Bakker told her he hadn't felt well and that radio and television
419 news crews gathered at the courthouse took on the form of frightening animals.
420 She said he told her they appeared as "large ants with antennae."
421 Ms. Johnson said Bakker insisted he hadn't lost touch with reality.
422 "He did not lose sight that they were actually the press," she said. "It was
423 an experience in which he was very frightened and there was a large number of
424 people in the crowd."
425
426 So...who's to say what's "real news" and what's "more of the story"...or right
427 or left for that matter. Lee Atwater was unavailable for comment on either.
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023=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 09/12/89 21:36 Msg:4345 Call:23915 Lines:6
431 This is Phoenix Polymorph. What I want to know is: What happened to the Blue
432 Parratdt6268009
433 Parrot?
434 ^p
435
436
024=Usr:13 voyeur 09/12/89 23:18 Msg:4346 Call:23917 Lines:15
437 :::::::::O O:::::09/12/89::::::::::::::::::::::::::23:35:17:::::::::O O:::::::
438 Blue Parrot - Mike took it down last weekend while taking off for a few days
439 of vacation. When he tried to bring it back up, it wouldn't
440 work. Last I heard he suspected a (hard disk?) power supply.
441 No idea what the current status is. Check on Applephilia.
442 CBBS/NW - Last week they warned that service might be interrupted while
443 made some changes to the software. I don't think they planned
444 to be down this long. I remember they were thinking of removing
445 the 9600 baud modem from the board since it wasn't being utilized,
446 and as you may recall, when they *added* the 9600 there were
447 problems with the autobaud detect code. Maybe they're having
448 difficulties reverting to the old code.
449 BackWater - An oversupply of reposted news, coupled with a dearth of stories.
450 This is the most serious BBS casualty of all...
451 ::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::
025=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/12/89 23:34 Msg:4347 Call:23918 Lines:9
452 &*&*&*&*`s
453 About BW, the way to solve the problem is not to complain about it, but rather
454 to do somthing about it. I'm currently between apartments, and am limited on
455 my bbsing time. So I can't see myself contributing much in the story area
456 for awhile.
457
458 An Astral Dreamer
459 &*&*&*&*'s
460
026=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 09/13/89 16:30 Msg:4348 Call:23926 Lines:6
461 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | It's only 5:30 and I'm tireddddddddddddddd
462
463 Reality is questionable, only imagination is definate.
464
465 KKKKurfur Redlig | I must have had fun last night, but I can't rememberrr
466
027=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/13/89 19:30 Msg:4349 Call:23929 Lines:8
467
468 FLASH!
469
470 BACKWATER INVADED BY INANE REPORTERS!
471
472 NUCLEAR WAR BEGINS AT 6:00 PM TODAY!
473
474 FILM AT 11:00!
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475 &*&*&*&*'s
476 Well, I thought I'd do somthing about the dirth of stories here on backwater.
477 What follows is a first draft of a short story that just sort of wrote
478 itself. Comments will be greatly appreciated.
479 You can't always be sure of the things you say. Somtimes even the
480 The most well respected fact will turn out to be wrong. Take for instance
481 last Saturday. I was sitting on a barstool down at Ernies. Don't get the
482 idea that I go there often, because I don't. I just happened to be there.
483 It was the ussual crowd, Only the lonely frequent these halls. Not that that
484 is altogether bad. Lonely people can have some of the most interesting stories
485 to tell.
486
487 So I sat there, waiting for somthing to happen. Not expecting it, just
488 waiting. I waited till near closing. Then when I'd almost given up hope
489 it happened.
490
491 Ahm, She walked in... No, nothing as cliche' as that. It was actually
492 a largish grey rat. It came running from behind the bar, and almost
493 imediatly I could hear Ernie cursing and calling after it. "Jennings
494 you swine, get back here and into your cage."
495
496 Jennings? Who names a rat Jennings and sticks it in a
497 cage behind a bar? I hadn't thought Ernie anywhere near that imaginative.
498
499 The rat wasn't buying it. He just kept running. Looked like the front
500 door was his destination. I layed my money down on the table and got out
501 just behind him, with Ernie on my heels. It was dark, and most of the cars had
502 left the parking lot. I only lived a block or so away, so a car was the least
503 of my wories. Ernie had ran passed me and was yelling at the top of his
504 lungs in alternite directions. "Jennings! You scoundrel! Get back here!"
505 He kept it up for the better part of an hour. The cops came out twice, and
506 the second time they carted him off. The patrons had been taking care of
507 the bar during the owners little 'illness'.
508
509 I walked behind the counter and checked the till. It looked like
510 somebody had been sober enough to recognize the possibilities there. That
511 meant there was no percentage in it for me, atleast from that angle. So
512 I grabbed a couple of crackers from the bar and went outside. Being in front
513 of Ernie I had seen a bit more. So I walked over to the Dumpster and dropped
514 a cracker. "Ok Jennings you can come out now, he's gone."
515
516 "Not bloody likely. I don't even know you."
517
518 "So, do you want to sit under that trashcan for the rest of your days
519 or do you want come out and talk business." Silence, or the closest thing
520 you can get to it in the big city. "Look, We can do this easy, or we can
521 do it hard. So make it easy on both of us and come out."
522
523 "Say I did, whats in it for me?"
524
525 I smiled, my hunch had been correct. "Depends on the circumstances."
526
527 "Such as?"
528
529 "How did you happen to become a rat in a cage in the back of the
530 bar at Ernies."
531
532 "Oh, that. Well, you know how it is. I had a bad day."
533
534 "Do tell."
535
536 "You really want to hear this?"
537
538 "Yes."
539
540 "Well, I used to be a cockerspanial. Then one day I woke up as a rat.
541 That was a bit of a shock. Especialy since I'd been curled up next to
542 Solips, the family cat. Luckily I managed to get out of there before he
543 noticed me. Out the cat door and into the street. I've been running ever
544 since."
545
546 "And before that?"
547
548 "I was one of those big sea turtles. A fun life, and not to bad if you
549 know how to avoid the pitfalls. had to be carefull though, speed wasn't
550 my strong point back then."
551
552 It was all starting to make sense to me. All that was left was arranging
553 payment. "I'll bet you started life out as a human?"
554
555 "Yep, near as I can figure it I started life out as a tinker in medieval
556 England."
557
558 "And did a brass ring come into your possesion a short time before
559 these problems started?"
560
561 "Let me thing... Could have been, it's been a century or two you know."
562
563 "Well then, I think I can solve your problem. All I want is the ring."
564
565 "Your welcome to it, if I have it and if you can get to it."
566
567 "Good, are you going to come out from under there now?"
568
569 "Oh sure."
570
571 Out he waddled, one of the biggest rats I had ever seen. He looked up
572 at me in anticipation. "Well?"
573
574 "One last question, why were you in that cage?"
575
576 "Ernie caught me mumbling to myself in his storage room. had me netted
577 before I knew what was happening."
578
579 I could believe Ernie had had the oppurtunity to develope such skills.
580 I pulled the wand from the inner pocket of my coat. Mumbled the words to
581 the unbinding and stood back. The spot that had held the rat a moment
582 before now held a short brown haired man dressed in the clothes of
583 a medieval merchant. And on the ring finger of his left had was a brass
584 ring. "Hurry, and give me the ring."
585
586 "No problem, happy to be rid of it." He replied. He took it from his
587 finger and handed it to me. This was going to be well worth my trouble,
588 I'd recovered one of my earlier devices and saved myself a finders fee.
589
590 "Now all I have to do is figure out how to make a living."
591
592 "You shouldn't have any problems with that. Theres always work available
593 for a craftsman, even today." I placed the wand back in its hiding place
594 and stuck the ring in another of my many pockets and bid him farewell.
595 "Yes," I thought. "Still work for craftsman."
596
597
598 This is the first thing I've written since last march. Some of you will
599 understand that date. I'm hoping I'll be able to keep it up.
600
601 An Astral Dreamer
602 &*&*&*&*'s
603
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604 696969696969
605 APn 09/12/89 By HARRY F. ROSENTHAL Associated Press Writer
606 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Anti-nuclear activists today protested the launch next
607 month of a nuclear-powered space probe, but administration officials say
608 President Bush will not block the flight.
609 The president is expected by next week to authorize the use of a 48-pound
610 nuclear generator to provide electrical power for the Galileo spacecraft,
611 scheduled for launch to Jupiter from the shuttle Atlantis on Oct. 12.
612 The nuclear powerplant is similar to the one the Voyager 2 spacecraft used s
613 successfully on its 12-year journey to Neptune and beyond, and on 21 other spac
614 devices. But protesters worry about a release of radioactivity should the
615 Atlantis have an accident similar to the one that destroyed Challenger.
616 A recent safety analysis by the National Aeronautics and Space Administratio
617 concluded, "the probability of an accident resulting in a release of plutonium
618 ranges from 1-in-2,500 to 1-in-2 million and any release from these low
619 probability events would be very small."
620 About a half dozen sign-carrying protesters stood outside NASA's national
621 headquarters today, passing out a flyer that said, "Keep Project Galileo's
622 plutonium on the ground."
623 One sign said, "If Galileo explodes, kiss Florida goodbye," and another said
624 "One pound of plutonium could kill every person on Earth." The demonstrators
625 represented the Maryland Safe Energy Coalition, which is headquartered in
626 Columbia, Md.
627 This weekend, a group called the Florida Coalition for Peace and Justice,
628 says it will begin a 200-mile "peace walk" from Cape Canaveral to Kings Bay,
629 Ga., to protest both the Galileo probe and the Trident missile program.
630 A spokesman said the walk will be completed Oct. 8 and the protesters will
631 return in time for the Atlantis launch.
632 "We are going to attempt to enter the launch area and sit on the launch pad"
633 to halt the October launch, said Bruce Gagnon of Orlando, leader of the Florida
634 group which has staged past demonstrations against Trident launches.
635 King's Bay is where the Trident is flight tested.
636 A lawyer for the Christic Institute, Larry Sinkin, said the group will file
637 suit in federal court later this month to stop the Atlantis launch, citing amon
638 its reasons "the very poor record NASA has of estimating risks" and "the
639 reliability of the shuttle itself."
640 The president's science advisers are studying risk assessments of the launch
641 and a separate safety evaluation, Thomas P. Rona, deputy director of the White
642 House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said Monday.
643 An administration source who spoke on condition of anonymity, asked if the
644 Galileo launch will be approved, replied "certainly."
645 Rona declined to say what the recommendation to Bush will be but said "every
646 possible design precaution has been taken. ... My personal opinion is that the
647 shuttle is far more reliable now than before."
648 Elizabeth Prestridge, spokeswoman for the National Space Council which is
649 chaired by Vice President Dan Quayle, said the staff considers the Galileo prob
650 safe. And a congressional source said there is no doubt the president will allo
651 the launch.
652 The review process, which makes White House approval mandatory before nuclea
653 iotopes can be launched into space, has been in effect since 1977.
654 The nuclear devices are called RTGs, for radioisotope thermoelectric
655 generators. They have never caused a spacecraft failure, although three of the
656 22 have been involved in space mission accidents with no release of plutonium.
657 Galileo will be the first spacecraft to orbit Jupiter and it will insert a
658 probe into the atmosphere to investigate thick cloud layers covering the huge
659 planet. The trip is a complicated one in which the spacecraft will twice return
660 near Earth for gravity boosts to gain necessary velocity to reach Jupiter in
661 1995.
662 Would YOU risk the life of EVERY PERSON on earth with 1 in 2500 odds?
663
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664 Nomination for the "Ten Best Censored Stories of 1987"
665
666 PROJECT GALILEO SHUTTLE TO CARRY LETHAL PLUTONIUM
667
668 Despite scientific warnings of a possible disaster, NASA is
669 pursuing plans to launch the Project Galileo shuttle space probe which
670 will carry enough plutonium to kill every person on earth.
671 Theoretically, one pound of polutonium, uniformly distributed,
672 has the potential to give everyone on the planet a fatal case of lung
673 cancer. Galileo will have 49.25 pounds of plutonium on board, most of
674 it plutonium 238, a radioisotope 300 times more radioactive than the
675 one used as fuel for atomic bombs.
676 Critics of the plan, such as Dr. John Gofman, professor of
677 medical physics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Michio
678 Kaku, professor of nuclear physics at the City University of New York
679 claim that putting Galileo's plutonium payload into space is both
680 risky and unnecessary.
681 The plutonium will be used to fuel "radioisotope thermoelectric
682 generators" which keep instrumentation warm. Although NASA and the
683 DOE say there are no alternatives, professor Kaku asserts that the
684 latest advances in solar cells make it possible to generate solar
685 electricity even as far away as Jupiter, Galileo's destination.
686 NASA downplays the possibility of the release of plutonim in an
687 accident, stressing that the substance will be encapsulated in "clads"
688 made from iridium alloy in a graphite shell. The DOE contends that
689 clads can withstand explosive pressures up to 2,200 pounds per square
690 inch. However, a DOE safety analysis report on the Galileo mission
691 obtained under FOIA states that from the viewpoint of potential
692 nuclear fuel release, the most critical accidents would occur on the
693 launch pad. Launch pad accident scenarios, such as "tipovers" and
694 "pushovers" are estimated to generate explosive pressures as high as
695 19,600 psi.
696 Once in space, Galileo is still potentially danglerous. Since
697 the solid-fuel rocket substituted for the highly volatile liquid-fuel
698 Centaur rocket used in the Challenger does not have the power of the
699 Centaur, NASA devised a plan to use the earth's gravitational pull to
700 increase the rocket's momentum sufficiently to reach Jupiter. During
701 the "flyby" orbits around the earth, Galileo would at times be only
702 277 miles overhead. A 1987 NASA report estimates the chance of
703 Galileo inadvertently reentering the earth's atmosphere to be less
704 than one in a million, and, as such, an accident scenario is deemed
705 not credible.
706 NASA set the probability figures for the chance of a shuttle
707 accident at one in 100,000 for thhe Challenger. Investigation
708 following the crash put the figure at closer to one in 25.
709 While "The Lethal Shuttle: Plutonium Payload Scheduled" was one
710 of the top 10 overlooked stories cited by Project Censored in 1986,
711 the continued failure of the media to draw attention to the potential
712 risk of Project Galileo fully warrants its renomination for 1987.
713
714 SOURCES: THE NATION, 1/23/88, "The Space Probe's Lethal Cargo,"
715 by Karl Grossman;, pp 1, 78; L.A. TIMES, 2/6/86.
716
717 okay, Is it 1 chance in 2500, or 1 chance in 25 of a shuttle disaster?
718 Doesn't really matter much when we're all gasping for air with failing lungs.
719 While I'm all for space exploration, and loved the Voyager revelations, it
720 seems that this is an unneccessary risk, since there ARE alternatives. Just
721 another way of dealing with the drug problem, and all other problems too. No
722 more worrying about the national debt for old George, he'll be in his bunker
723 with all the other wealthy Republicans, counting their HUD money, snorting
724 Noriega's cocaine, and laughing at all us poor, dead, suckers.
725 YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.
726
727 696969696969696969
728
729 sleep well tonight. Dan Quayle is next in line....
730
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731 {}
732
733 Pathetic.
734
735 Choose: NO CREDIT or LOVE. Which means more to you?
736
737 Who is worse: the liberal, moderate or conservative Democrats, or
738 the liberal, moderate or conservative Republicans?
739
740 How do you judge a person: by their physical appearence, by
741 their emotional capacity, by their intelligence and brilliance, or
742 by the morals and laws of institutions? Or would you rather
743 prefer situational ethics to this?
744 or
745 by that dim but persistent
746 image of him/her, hiding behind all of this, the same image you hae
747 had all of your life - the ideal mate? Is a person worth something
748 in terms of your values? Are they worth something in terms of
749 their capacity to be human and their actions as so?
750
751 Do you hate landsharks around Portland? You've met them at least
752 once - the slick new car salesperson, the behind-the-counter attendant,
753 thBMW next to you at the light with the suit'n'shades...
754 Do you pity them?
755 Do you try to teach or communicate with them?
756 Do you ignore them?
757
758 Before the flames of the board engluf me and turn me into
759 Texas Style Bar - B - Que, consider that I too have felt all of the
760 above, at least once in my life. I do not sport a "correct" answer,
761 in fact, I'm not so sure there is an answer, but it seems there is
762 a Solution or Path to follow - that is, a course of action that should
763 be continued but not placed as the Final Result. Pain is both real and
764 imagined. This last sentence is True to me - DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TELL
765 ME OTHERWISE - for you are not me, and have not experienced the different
766 effects of this. After a lecture on the concept of reality, I had a
767 splitting headache that, reguardless of my actions or what I concentrated
768 on, would NOT GO AWAY. I asked my instructor, "if what you're saying is
769 true, then I should be able to make my headache disappear." "Well,
770 yes, something like that..." he replied. So I closed my eyes, and told
771 myself that the headache did not exist 3 times. By the third time, my
772 headache DISAPPEARED completely, and did not return, no matter how many
773 times I tried to re-evaluate the lecture that started it. From
774 that day forth, I understood but did not realize the concept of
775 self-fulfilling prophicies and self-programming. Only now, two
776 years later, have I begun to search for this skill again. And you
777 think me not to be in contact with reality? Sometimes I wonder about
778 the world. I wonder what would happen if the 80% that had not suddenly
779 sealed off the 20% that did have, buy "doing their own thing"; starting
780 a new economy and ethical system, and bartering and understanding and
781 helping each other, instead of SERVING. ometimes I become so sick
782 from the menial job that I have that I have to call in sick for a day
783 to escape the pain - data entry is certainly the "Sweatshop" job of the time -
784 and I ponder about how I could escape from this, and become
785 non-dependent without hurting others.
786
787 I must not despair - that is the one thing that we are actually
788 Taught to do. I promised that my future child WILL NOT SUFFER from
789 the conditioning and enslavement of the public education system -
790 which I also understand from my years of living with my father, an
791 Art teacher and Union President (ag! yech!) - is their hope?
792 Am I truely alone, in a world of insane and damaged people who
793 would rather hurt others than to help themselves heal?
794
795 Or is my schizophrenic writing simply a "soft-centered approach"?
796
797 Hagbard Celine
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801 {}
802
803 As I said earlier, and I say now (about my last entry)
804
805 pathetic.
806
807 H. Celine
808
809 {}
810
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812
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814
815 Reptiles make enriching pets.
816 I have a pair of South American Anoles in a fish tank in my
817 living room; average sized chameleons that can almost glow a
818 fluorescent green if they want to.
819
820 Stare into the face a lizard for a while, late at night, and
821 you can almost hear the far away ticking of evolutionary
822 clockwork.
823
824 Right now an arrogant, high strung breed of large-brained,
825 hairless monkey thinks its ruling the earth, but Things Used To
826 Be Different...and they could be again. Reptiles used to rule
827 the earth too, but it didn't last.
828 7
829 The lizards in my fish tank are a dumb and mute reminder that
830 no beast stays at the top of the food chain forever.
831
832 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
833 You Ain't Nothin' But A Reptile - Slimin' All The Time...
834
835
836 {+}{+}{+}{+}
837
838
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839 AND AMERICA MARCHES ON!
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840 &*&*&*&*'s
841 Not much action tonight. Where's the BBS party? Or I suppose this could just
842 be one of those cosmic lulls hinted at by the magic of fractals.
843
844 An Astral Dreamer
845 &*&*&*&*'s
846
036=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 09/14/89 20:06 Msg:4358 Call:23964 Lines:9
847 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>14-SEP-89
848
849 VOTED TOP CENSORED STORY AT NETWORK ZERO
850
851
852 For world watch three, I'm Phoenix Polymorph
853 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
854 ^p
855
037=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 09/14/89 20:53 Msg:4359 Call:23965 Lines:21
856 KKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Hmmmm. Project Galileo huh
??????????????????
857
858 Personally, the prospect of every living thing on the planet being
859 wiped out doesn't seem to bother me. I mean, once it's happened, it
860 won't really bother us much since we'd all be dead, and there won't be
861 much we'll be able to do about it anyways. Besides, I think the only
862 nuclear explosion capable of wiping out all life is one sheathed in
863 cobalt. We've had a lot more plutonium massed together before and
864 exploded it (remember Nagasaki history buffs?) and it didn't affect
865 the whole planet very much (although it was a bit of an inconvenience
866 for the Japanese it killed). One pound of plutonium may be able to
867 kill all life on the planet, but not when it is exploding, and you'd
868 have to distribute it pretty widely too.
869
870 Besides, who needs Florida anyhow? After all, it's only an extension
871 of Disney-World.
872
873 KKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Eat, Drink, and Be Merry etc....................
876
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877 &*&*&*&*'s
878 The whole thing sous rather like a case of quoting out of context.
879 Besides, if we don't get off of this plat in the next 100 years we'll all
880 be dead anyways. (The human race that is.)
881
882 An Astral Dreamer
883 &*&*&*&*'s
884
039=Usr:29 The Bard 09/15/89 20:26 Msg:4361 Call:23982 Lines:19
885 As for the RTG's on Galileo, similar units were used to power the instrument
886 packages that the Apollo missions left on the moon. Remember Apollo 13? It had
887 one aboard. When the astronauts abandoned the LM, the RTG was still aboard.
888 Measurement taken after the mission indicate that the RTG must have survived
889 reentry intact. So much for the risks when Galileo makes it's swings past
890 here on its way to Jupiter.
891 It's also fairly certain that even in a Challenger type accident the RTG would
892 survive intact. And even if it *did* break open, the stuff wouldn't spread far.
893 Finally, statements like "evenly distibuted one pound of plutonium could kill
894 everyone on earth" *less* truthful than a statement such as "properly
895 distibuted, one man's ejaculation could get every woman on earth pregnant".
896 That's the kind of spreading around they are talking about. And the dosage they
897 are calling *lethal* is based on taking an *old* figure for ALLOWABLE YEARLY
898 INDUSTRIAL EXPOSURE and calling that "lethal".
899 In short, these people are fear-mongering zealots who won't let mere facts
900 interfere with their holy crusade against anything with the word "nuclear"
901 in it.
902 Bah!
903 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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904
905
906 Nuke 'em till they glow, and then shoot 'em in the DARK!
907@The end on one century... The beginning of a new one.
908
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909 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
910 Astral: I think the B52's 1986 album was called "Bouncing Off the
911 Satellites". They also made a single for the soundtrack to
912 "Earth Girls are Easy" called "Shake That Cosmic Thing" - is
913 is this the same as the title track to the new album???
914
915 "It makes me mad when I go to all the trouble of having Marta cook up
916 about a hundred drumsticks, then the guy at Marineland says, 'You
917 can't throw that chicken to the dolphins. They eat fish.'
918 Sure they eat fish, if that's all you ever give them! _
919 Man, wise up." /#)
920 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
921 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
922 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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923 &*&*&*&*'s
924 Thanks swob. I bought a book yesterday that has stuff about
925 alternate bands and it has al sorts of interesting things about groups like
926 the B52's, REM, Pylon, Blondie, The GO GO`s etc ad infinitum. (Well maybe
927 not infinitum.) The B52's 1986 album is indeed called Bouncing off the
928 Satellites." Kind of apt in light of the current debate. :-)
929
930 An Astral Dreamer
931 &*&*&*&*'s
932
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933 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
934 Use solar power at Jupiter? Hold it a minute. Solar power might suffice
935 for *some* equipment at Earth distance, but we're talking about light
936 energy at Jupiter- does the phrase 'inverse-square law' mean anything to
937 you? I don't remember the distance figures for Jupiter at the moment, but
938 I'm betting heavy money that the light flux at Jupiter would be less than
939 1/4th that at Earth distance. Perhaps the equipment on Galileo takes a
940 wee bit more energy to power than that on Voyager? Granted, this is an
941 off-the-cuff estimate of power needs and light availability, but even so
942 I canna see where else you're gonna get that much power, Captain.
943 Does anyone have concrete figures on Solar cell efficiency, and distance
944 figures for Jupiter? Solar flux at Earth and Jupiter orbits?
945 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++ my $0.02 ++++++++++
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947
948 {+}{+}{+}{+}
949
950 In case you missed them kids: here are the
951
952 Top Ten Reasons Exxon Is Leaving Alaska
953 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
954
955
956 10) Sometimes had to drive miles to find a Liquor Store
957
958 9) Planning a big oil spill off of California
959
960 8) Going to start the really big job of cleaning up Exxon
961 station restrooms
962
963 7) Somebody thought they saw Bigfoot
964
965 6) Just got contract to take off Tammy Bakker's makeup
966
967 5) Decided that black gunk covering coastline and wildlife
968 actually looks kind of cool
969
970 4) Big party this weekend at Captain Hazelwood's
971
972 3) Wanted to be there to give Zsa Zsa all the support she
973 needs
974
975 2) Time to face the fact that Batman isn't going to answer
976 the Bat Signal
977
978 1) Have to move on to screw up bigger and better things
979
980
981 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
982 I'm Here To Help
983
984
985
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987
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990 _ 2 1
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992 t - t ^t
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995 (Could you ask for more? Really?)
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997 Just filling the disk.
998 One more line.
999 And we're through!