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LIST FILE ON MARGIN IS 79 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask...... 2 *********************** REMOVED: 14 OCT 83 ************************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 TO:ALL 26 SJ:CHANNEL 61 27 28 WELL, HAVE ANY OF YOU CHECKED IT OUT AS OF YET??? IT IS 29 GOING TO BLOW YOUR SOCKS OFF!! 30 31 REMEMBER....UHF CHANNEL 61....IT WILL FRY YOUR SHORTS! 32 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 33 TO:ALL 34 SJ:CHANNEL 49 35 36 SATURDAY ACCORDING TO PETER FARREL. TWILIGHT ZONE...OOOH... 37 SOMETHING ELSE TO WATCH WHEN NETWORK TV SUCKS! 38 Hi: Art Just wanted to see if you still read this system. 39 Armand has talked me out of transmitting on 2.304 Ghz, at 40 least for now. But I will still put up the dish and transmitter 41 just in case I nead it. 42 *******************************Bob*************************** 43 GOODBYE, ONE AND ALL, I MUST SAY THAT ITS BEEN FUN. 44 Taxes assume that the people who pay taxes are responsible for the 45 problems of those that receive the money. I didn't make anybody 46 poor, nor old. Not my problem. My problem is keeping enough of 47 my own money to pay my own bills. 48 49 Stopping crime take $0.38 per criminal. 50 51 &&&&&&&&&BLIND SCREAMING RED NECK&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 52 Ah, but it is your problem, Mr. Red Neck, because if those that have 53 won't help those that won't, history shows that those that don't have 54 will take everything from those that have, and sometimes in an 55 extremely violent manner. It is in everyone's best interest to keep 56 the poor above the level of blind rage over their misfortune, or the 57 guillotine awaits, as King Louis XVI found out. A tisket, a tasket, 58 a bourgeois head in a basket. What fun!!! A bit bloody too. 59 60 * T. Paine * 61 62 63 FOR SALE 64 65 Vic-20 66 67 Datasette 68 69 Modem 70 71 SuperXpander 72 73 Hess-Mon 74 75 All for $125.00 76 77 Call Mike at 78 79 227-xxxx 80 81 82 help 83 84 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME USER CALLING WE WILL LEAVE THIS SYSTEM ON OVER 85 NIGHT FOR A CALL THE NUMBER IS 636-xxxx 86 HLEP 87 HELP 88 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME USER CALLING AGIAN THIS IS NEAT. WHO WOULD WE 89 CONTACT AS TO JOINING THE APPLE CLUB. PLEASE SEND INFO TO CHARLES 90 LOVELAND 91 AURORA,OR 97002 92 SYSTEM IS A APPLE IIE 93 MICROMODEM II 94 OFF 95 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 97 WELL, YOU GOT ME THERE DOM. I GUESS THE THERAPY, IF EFFECTIVE, WOULD BE 98 A FIRST SUCCESS FOR THE PSYCHOANALYTIC MODEL - NOT A LIKELY EVENT. BUT 99 BEFORE I GOT THAT FAR I'D BE SHOT, IF THE CHRISTIANS RAN TRUE TO FORM. IF 100 PEOPLE WANTED TO BE CURED THEY ALREADY WOULD BE. 101 ANYWAY, I HAVE SOME GROUND I'D LIKE TO STAKE OUT IN THE RELIGIOUS 102 DEBATE BUT THE SUBJECT NOW SEEMS TO BE TAXES. 103 104 I THINK THE IDEA THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE MEDICAL DEDUCTIONS DOESN'T GET 105 VERY FAR WHEN EXAMINED. AFTER ALL, WHO IS LESS ABLE TO EARN, AND THUS TO 106 PAY, THAN SOMEONE SICK? 107 108 I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES OF THE DEBATE ARE DISHEARTENED 109 AT THE FEELING THEY HAVE THE TAXES DON'T DO MUCH GOOD. THEY SEEM TO 110 GO UP WITHOUT ANY RELATIONSHIP TO INCREASING BENEFIT. SOCIAL SECURITY TAX, 111 THE FIRST BIG ITEM, GOES UP ANY LIVING CONDITIONS FOR OLD PEOPLE GO DOWN. 112 MILITARY TAXES GO UP AND THEY BUILD LOSING WEAPONS LIKE THE MX AND LINE 113 CONTRACTORS POCKETS WITH THE REST OF THE MONEY. ETC. 114 115 PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE IN OUR SOCIETY, INCLUDING ESPECIALLY 116 SOME OF THE WIDE EYED INTELLECTUALS, ARE NOT PARTICULARLY SOPHISTICATED 117 AS REGARDS OTHER CULTURES, TYPES OF ADMINISTRATION, WAYS OF DOING THINGS. 118 WITH A LITTLE MORE EXPOSURE TO ALTERNATIVES, I THINK WE MIGHT SEE LESS 119 DOGMA AND MORE DISCUSSION OF THE PRACTICE. 120 121 ALL OF THE POLITIAL THEORIES BREAK DOWN FAST WHEN IT COMES TO PRACTICE. 122 FOR INSTANCE, CONSIDER USER TAXES FOR PARKS. SOME PEOPLE WILL FEEL THAT THEY 123 CAN'T AFFORD THE USER FEES. YET AS CITIZENS THEY 'OWN' THE LAND IN THE PARK 124 AS MUCH AS ANYONE, DO THEY NOT. PERHAPS IF THE THINK ABOUT IT THEY WILL 125 WANT TO SELL THE PARK. JAMES WATT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT FOR THEM. THEN 126 WHERE ARE ALL THOSE WELL OFF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO BE ON THE USER FEE SYSTEM. 127 128 TROUBLE IS, NOBODY CAN GET MORE SELF RIGHTEOUS THAN A WINNER. "I DID IT 129 MYSELF, WITH NO HELP FROM ANYONE" IS THEIR CRY. NEVER MIND THAT THE I.Q. 130 WAS A GIFT OF NATURE, THE DETERMINATION A GIFT OF NATURE AND PARENTS, 131 THE EDUCATION THE BRAIN THRIVED ON GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED, THE FACT THAT 132 SOCIETY VALUED THE PARTICULAR SKILLS THEY HAD AT THE TIME THEY LIVED AN 133 ACCIDENT OF HISTORY. 134 135 NO MATTER WHAT TIME YOU ARE IN, YOU WILL FIND THAT THE WELL OFF HAVE A 136 RIGHT TO THEIR WEALTH, AND THE "LESS WELL OFF", TO USE THE CURRENT 137 GOVERNMENT EUPHEMISM FOR MISERY, ARE BELIEVED BY THE RULERS TO BE 138 RATHER UNFORTUNATE. THIS DOES NOT DEPEND ON EARNING MONEY OR ANYTHING OF 139 THE SORT. MOST MANAGERIAL TYPES DO NOT 'EARN' MONEY, THEY JUST 'GET' 140 MONEY. THIS IS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEMS THAN 141 OUR OWN GET BY WITH A FRACTION OF THE MANAGERS THAT WE DO. YET OUR 142 VP'S BELIEVE THEY HAVE ARE THE CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY AND DESERVE ALL THEY 143 CAN GET. 144 145 THE WINNERS TALK ABOUT WHY THEY WON, AND THE LOSERS SAY "DEAL THE CARDS" 146 147 THUS IT WILL EVER BE. 148 149 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE DEPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 150 What kind of tax system do you expect from the government? Precisely the 151 current one! Give each person one vote. Most people consider themselves middle class, with a small fraction of the 'rich.' 152 It is to be expected that the middle class will want to be supported by the 'rich', whom they believe can support them. 153 The legislators are falling all over themselves to implement such a system, because they know that as long as they please 154 the majority, it doesn't matter what they do to the minority. 155 It is widely (and incorrectly) thought that Willie Sutton, the bank robber, said in response to the question 'Why do 156 you rob banks.',' 'Because that's where the money is.' Even so, government officials could well say the same about the 157 'rich.' The 'poor' are so busy resenting the 'rich' for their wealth, that nobody wants to stand up for their rights. 158 And when the 'poor' think that they will benefit from each dollar taken in taxes, that doesn't help any. The 159 rich are taxed more because 'That's where the money is.' 160 And the view expressed above that we'll have to learn to live with the current system helps even less, because that's 161 really just saying that we must learn to live with extortion, blackmail, and a diluted form of slavery. I'd rather 162 not learn to live with such things. 163 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anon ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 164 ########################################IN REGARDS TTO THE RICH NOT HAVING 165 THEIR FAIR SHARE OF RIGHTS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MONEY TALKS AND IF YOU LOOK 166 AT THE CURRENT SITUATION IN WASHINGTON, SALEM ETC IT IS BORN OUT. WHAT ABOUT 167 THE RICH ASS-HOLE WHO IS GOING TO MOVE HIS COMPANY OUT OF OREGON IF WE DON'T 168 ADOPT A SALES TAX? HOW MANY OF THE WORKERS COULD AFFORD TO MOVE TO UTAH FOR 169 RHTHOSE JOBS? YET HE CAN AFFORD TO MOVE HIMSELF BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO 170 PAY HIS SHARE OF TAX IN OREGON. AFTER ALL THE STATE SUPPLIES HIM ROADS TO 171 MOVE HIS PRODUCTS OVER, CLEAN (?) AIR TO BREATH, A BETTER THAN AVERAGE QU 172 QUALITY OF LIFE AS BEEN DOCUMENTEDD COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE NATION. YET 173 HE IS GOING TO TAKE HIS TOYS AND GO ELSEWHERE AND WON'T PLAY WITH THE ES 174 ESTSBLISHED RULES. OF COURSE THIS IS HIS RIGHT BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THE 175 RICH SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF THE MIDDLE CLASS & THE POOR. 176 177 ##################C.Y.M.##############################10/7-10:19AM########## 178 HOW MANY OF YOU THINK THE RAJNEESHEES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A CITY OF 179 THEIR OWN HERE IN OREGON? WOULD THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON THE CHRISTIAN SIDE 180 OF THE DEBATE SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGIOSITY - OR CONDEMN THEM 181 FOR THEIR DOGMA? IS THIS ISSUE ONE THAT SHOULD BE DECIDED BY THE LAND 182 USE PEOPLE? HAS ANTELOPE BEEN COLONIZED BY A FOREIGN POWER? IF YOU BUILD 183 AN O'NEILL COLONY AT L5, ISN'T THE MOST LIKELY FORM OF GOVERNMENT THEIR 184 A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP? 185 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE FOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 186 To all Zorkers! 187 I would like to know if you people out there could give me a hint 188 or two? 189 A> Can the grating be opened from the outside? 190 B> Is there passages leading out of the treasure room 191 other than the stairs leading down to the Cyclops Room?? 192 193 Thanx- Chris Engdahl 194 (P.S. If anyone needs similar hints, I will gladly help! Just 195 leave a message to me on this system, CBBS, Bit Bucket, etc..) 196 >>>>>>>BYE FOR NOW, SEE YA' <<<<<<<< 197 To: UHF Bandit. If you are who I think you are, please rember that 198 UHF signals run LINE-OF-SIGHT! We in Portland may not be "in range". 199 To: CYM I tend to have mixed feelings on the subject of "the 200 rich" (or "corporations" or "christians" or "rajneshees"...) 201 The trouble with your example is that the MAJORITY wants the 202 money from taxing the corporation. The corporation feels that 203 the high taxes "make it unable to compete" due to increased costs. 204 Given the above feeling on the part of the corporation, what 205 do you expect it to do? Roll over & play dead? I have moved 206 because of rent increases, corporations move because of tax 207 increases. Unfortunately, most workers don't realize that taxes 208 (and wage & benefit increases!) can make an operation unprofitable. 209 Thus they ignore the situation until it is too late. I'm sorry 210 for the workers at the plant you mentioned, but UNDER CURRENT 211 LAWS & ECONOMIC "REALITIES" there isn't a whole lot else the 212 companies can do. I know "profit" is a dirty word these days 213 but profits are just as important to a company as your wages 214 are to you (actually as important as the amount by which your 215 wages exceed your bills). After all that is all a profit is, 216 the difference between income & outgo. 217 To: DOM I think it is just that they were on the character 218 generator chip. (tho the size of the Japanese market may have 219 had SOME influence). I do have LOWERCASE GREEK, also heart, 220 spade, club,& diamond; "happy face" & "frown face" (alternate 221 quickly for "pacman"); math symbols: <=, >=, capital Omega 222 radical (ie sqrt symbol), division (not slash), cap Sigma (ie SUM) 223 approx. =, cap. delta, integral sign (sort of), not eq., etc 224 Basically, a wide choice of chars (including some European chars that must be 225 poked into memory). 226 ____________________________Leonard_________________________ 227 Hrothgar, 228 I myself do not belong to any set of religion. I think that 229 the Rajneesies should be kicked out of the state of Oregon. Their 230 organization is threatening to the state of Oregon as well as 231 America itself. Bagwan is trying to get more and more followers. 232 After or if he gets them.. he will be strong enough to rule the 233 whole country. I think that that is what he's trying to do and 234 I think that Rajneespuram should be declared a religious camp 235 instead of a city... because a city it is not. A defenition 236 of a city is as follows: 237 238 City: A small group of people living in a certain area that 239 allow visitors, newcomers and people who leave. 240 241 Rajneespuram is not a free City. So, the above is my thoughts. 242 243 244 Tron 245 246 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 247 248 Tron: I agree. All cults are plotting to take over and should be 249 eliminated as soon as possible. Let's start with the biggest ones first; 250 Christianity, Judaism, Islam....etc. Rajneesh should be a minor consideration 251 at this point. 252 253 Dirty 254 255 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 256 257 More power to the Raj and his followers. They are doing something with 258 an area no-one else wanted, except those who mereley wanted it left as it 259 is, so they could play there. They are giving a lot of people at loose ends 260 something constuctive to do with their time, rather than sit around under 261 a streetlight and plan crimes. They plan to be self- supporting, not tax 262 supported, run (and pay for) their own school. 263 If the prior inhabitants of Antelope had thought ahead BEFORE it was 264 too late, they could have prevented the takeover (like write a land-use 265 plan), but "it couldn't happen here" and "we don't want another extra law 266 that might get in MY way". Too late. There was no plan aforehand to take 267 over Antelope, it was forced on them by those who tried to prevent their 268 building their own city. 269 Why is everybody afraid of them? Because they aren't Christian? Is it the 270 red shirts? Or maybe just because they are actually doing something? 271 Would the outcry be as loud if they were just another large developer 272 building houses? 273 Have they ever hurt you? 274 (No. I am not one of them. Their 'religion' ain't.) 275 /////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 276 Fang tried again. He jumped on the table and tried to steal my lunch, again, 277 So, to distract him, I grabbed the peanut butter and buttered the heel from 278 the loaf, put it on a plate and gave it to him. YUM, YUM, love it! Slurp! 279 Well, at next glance, he was standing on the plate, annoyed because he 280 couldn't get at the peanut butter. It was on the bottom, now, on the floor. 281 /////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 282 ############################################################################ 283 TO LEONARD: SORRY, BUT THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE RAJNEESH WERE NOT MINE. 284 I NEVER SAID THAT PROFIT WAS A DIRTY ERTY WORD, BUT EXCESSIVE PROFITS ARE 285 WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. TODAY PROFIT IS THE BOTTOM LINE, NEVER MIND ABOUT 286 THE HUMAN FACTOR,. TO HELL WITH QUALITY, JUST GET IT ON THE SHELVES AND LET 287 ADVERTISING DO ITS SVENGALI BIT ON THE PUBLIC. AS LONG AS IT SELLS AND WE 288 CAN TRIPPLE OR QUADRUPLE OUR INVESTMENT THEN GO TO IT. THE MAIN REASON JAPAN 289 HAS TAKEN SO MUCH OF THE MARKET FROM THE U.S. COMPANIES IS THAT THEY TAKE 290 SAME PRODUCTS, SHARE THE PROFITS TS AND THE MANAGEMENT WITH THE WORKERS. MAK 291 A SUPERIOR PRODUCT WITH THE DESIGN KNOWLEDGE OF OUR BUSINESSES. ITS ABOUT 292 TIME THAT BUSINES& IN THIS COUNTRY STARTS GETTING COMPETITIVE AND NOT THROUG 293 SLAVE LABOR. STOP PAYING DECENT WAGES AND WHO WILL BUY YOUR PRODUCT. 294 295 ################C.Y.M.###############################10/9 10:18AM########### 300 301 302 303 304 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 305 306 THOUGHT OF THE DAY: 307 308 The government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take it all away. 309 310 311 312 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 313 ** 314 315 ******************************************************************** 316 317 318 THE OMSI ASTRONOMERS MEET THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH (3RD WEDNESDAY IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER) AT 8:00 PM AT OMSI. 319 320 INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND. 321 322 ******************************************************************** 323 SAMUEL. I DIDN'T MEAN IT. I'M AT JENNY'S. WARM FUZZIES. 324 325 8:30 PM SUN. 326 327 ##################################################################### 328 329 CALL IT WHAT YOU LIKE BUT WE'RE STILL TAKING OVER. 330 331 ##################################################################### 332 333 HOW ODD. 334 335 ---------------------------------- 336 337 ANYONE SEE 60 MINUTES TONIGHT? SEEMS THE BIT ABOUT REMINGTON OWNER HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD RE WHAT CYM WAS SAYING ABOVE. SEEM 338 HE FIRED ALL THE EXECUTIVES AND TURNED THE COMPANY OVER TO THE WORKERS W/PROFIT SHARING AND IS EVEN COMPETING WITH THE 339 JAPANESE MARKET. 340 341 342 343 ########################################LETS CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO SOMEING MORE PLEASENT THAN THE GUTS OF THE WORLD BEING 344 SPREAD ALL OVER THE SCREEN 345 346 . 347 * 348 349 help 350 351 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 352 353 Having a fairly intimate knowlege of Japanese society, culture and busi- 354 ness practices (for a hakujin), I would like to comment on such. 355 I have done some research on Japanese markets, both domestic and foreign, 356 and found several reasons for their superiority. Some of these CYM has 357 already mentioned. For example, involving the employees in the decision 358 making processes of the business is a practice which is just recently being 359 accepted by American companies. Tektronix's Tek-circles is a half-hearted 360 example. Another important difference, though, is the mechanics of this 361 decision making process. That of Japanese manufacturers is extremely 362 (by American standards) slow and meticulous. The american theory 363 of business is that by making business decisions rapidly, valuable man- 364 hours can be minimized in the planning phaze; and the best decision can be 365 found, more or less by trial and error. (Again, Tektronix may be cited 366 as an example.) Japanese business philosophy, however, is that by care- 367 fully considering every possible aspect of a plan BEFORE its implementation, 368 they can be relatively sure of its success and eliminate any need for 369 trial and error; and therefore, wasted man-hours for unsuccessful imple- 370 mentations, defective products, constant employee retraining, etc. 371 Also the relationship between a Japanese employee and his employer is gen- 372 erally much closer than most American family relationships. The welfare 373 of the company is the foremost endeavor of the employee, partly due 374 to loyalty and partly due to the fact that he would have extreme difficulty 375 securing another job should his present one end. 376 Although it pertains mostly to the domestic markets, another factor is 377 the attitude toward customers. Americans seem to have forgotten that 378 the person who pays the wages is the customer. I can't recall the last 379 time I heard a sincere "Thank You" from a department store clerk (but 380 I think it was 1962). Doing business is considerably more pleasant when 381 there is genuine appreciation for your business. 382 It is rapidly approaching 4:00am sooo.........to be continued. 383 384 Dirty 385 386 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 387 388 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE JAPS HAVE A VERY WORKABLE SYSTEM AND PROVE IT 389 EVERY DAY THAT THEY ARE BUSINESS ITS PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE IGRAINED 390 INGRAINED RESPONSIBILITY WHICH IS INSTILLED FROM CHILDHOOD. ON THE OTHER 391 SIDE OF THE WORLD WHERE EURO-AMERICAN PRACTICES DOMINATE THE THINKING OF 392 THOSE WHO MAKE THE DAILY BUSINESS DECISSIONS THE RESULTS ARE CATASTROPHIC 393 ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ARABS GOT INO THE ACT. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE EURO- 394 AMERICAN APPROACH IS TO CONDUCT EACH DAILY BUSINESS DECISISION WITH THE 395 STRIP MINING MENTALITY OR ANOTHER WAY TO SAY IT MIGHT BE THE BUFFALO HIDE 396 MENTALITY WHICH ALL WHO ARE AWARE OF THE GRERAT PLUNDERS OF HISTORY WILL 397 RECOGNIZE. EXCUSE THE TYPOS IM IN A HURRY WHAT DO YOU THINK? 398 399 ECHO 400 ______________________________________________________________ 401 402 ########################################DOM: I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME I 403 ACKNOWLEDGED YOUR FINE SUPPORT OF MY VIEWS AND THANK YOU. IT CAN BE A LONELY 404 WORLD OUT THERE FOR US LIBERALS WITH THE PRESENT GROUP IN WASHINGTON & SALEM 405 ECHO: EXACTLY WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ALL ABOUT. THE ALMIGHTY BOTTOM-LINE 406 BUSSINESS MENTALITY OF THE AMERICAN INDUSTRIALISTS. 407 ALL: LETS HEAR A BIG ROUSING CHEAR FOR JAMES WATT!!!!!!!!!!!!! 408 HE FINALLY DID SOMETHING RIGHT, HE RESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 409 410 TALK ABOUT BUFFALO-HIDE MENTALITY: HE EPITOMIZED IT TO THE END, EVEN IN HIS 411 SPEACH AND LETTER OF RESIGNATION. 412 413 ################C.Y.M###############################10/10 9:43AM############ 414 415 WELL, RESIGNATION LETTERS FROM REPUBLICANS ON THEIR WAY OUT ARE A SORT OF 416 NEW LITERARY FORM, WRITTEN IN DOUBLSPEAK. THIS STARTED WITH SPIRO AGNEW, 417 GAINED MOMENTUM WITH NIXON, BUT REALLY GOT ROLLING THIS ADMINISTRATION 418 WITH GORSUCH, LAVELL,ADAMS, AND NOW WATT. ALL OF THEM HAVE PRODUCED A WORK 419 OF ART TO EXPLAIN THEIR RESIGNATIONS, CONSIDERING THAT ALMOST ALL OF THEM 420 WERE BEING PUSHED BY THE CONGRESS. 421 422 I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. I HAVE A CONFESSION TO MAKE: I WAS ONE OF 423 THOSE EX-LIBERALS WHO SWITCHED SIDES IN '80 AND HELPED ELECT REAGAN. THIS 424 WAS BECAUSE OF THE WIDESPREAD MEDIOCRITY AND INTELLECTUAL BANKRUPTCY OF 425 THE LEFT, AS I SAW IT AT THAT TIME. REAGAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BALANCE THE 426 BUDGET, GET GOVERNMENT OFF THE BACKS OF SMALL BUSINESS, FUND MORE SCIENTIFIC 427 RESEARCH, ETC. 428 429 THREE YEARS LATER WE'VE HAD THE BIGGEST 'RECESSION' SINCE THE 'DEPRESSION' 430 AND HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT SO HIGH IT'S INCOMPREHENSIBLE. WE'VE GOT HIGHER 431 UNEMPLOYMENT THAN MANY YEARS DURING THE DEPRESSION. SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE 432 LOST MORE GROUND THAN THEY HAD PICKED UP OVER THE LAST TWENTY YEARS, TEACHING 433 ME THAT WHAT THEY MEANT BY HELPING BUSINESS WAS JUST MEANT TO BE BIG BIG 434 BUSINESS. AND TO BIG BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESSMEN LIKE MYSELF ARE DEFINED 435 AS OBSTACLES. 436 437 NECESSARY GOVERNMENT SERVICES HAVE DETERIORATED BADLY. FOR INSTANCE, THERE 438 WERE NO AIR ACCIDENTS OR HIGHJACKINGS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE CARTER 439 ADMINISTRATION. IN THE LAST YEAR THERE HAVE BEEN TWENTY! THIS IS DUE 440 ALMOST ENTIRELY TO THE LACK OF SAFETY ENFORCEMENT, BUDGET CUTS, INEXPERIENCED 441 AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, ETC THAT ARE RESULTS OF REAGAN POLICY. 442 443 SO IT HASN'T WORKED OUT TOO WELL FOR THOSE THINGS THAT I VALUE LATELY. ALSO 444 I'M THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF MY LIBERAL FRIENDS. 445 446 SOMEDAY I WILL LEARN NOT TO BELIEVE IN POLITICIANS. ALSO NOT TO MAKE HASTY 447 DECISIONS ABOUT WHICH POLITICAL THEORIES HAVE MORE VALUE. IT IS STILL 448 TRUE, I BELIEVE, THAT LIBERALS AND THE LEFT IN GENERAL HAVE NO NEW IDEAS. 449 EVEN AFTER FOUR YEARS OF REAGAN, NOTHING SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING THERE. BUT 450 I'LL PROBABLY VOTE DEMOCRATIC THIS TIME. THE LEFT MAY BE INTELLECTUALLY 451 BANKRUPT, BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOT MALIGNANT, LIKE THE REAGANS, THE FALWELLS, 452 THE CASEYS, THE WATTS, THE BURFORDS, THE KISSINGERS, THE AL HAIGS (SAY, THATS 453 ANOTHER RESIGNATION THIS ADMINISTRATION) 454 455 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE COCKEYED OPTIMIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 456 B.A.D, 457 Ok... think of it this way. If you lived in a small city of 458 about 12 people and someone put an apartment up, would you 459 be annoyed that it is there? Now, If a religious cult moved 460 into the same area with intentions on taking over the place, 461 would you be annoyed then? There's the difference.... It's not 462 because they belong to any group or religon, it's their 463 intentions that get me. 464 Notice how the Rajneeshies took over a SMALL town? Why didn't 465 they go for something bigger like Bend or John Day? They are 466 both small towns also. What I'm worried about is that those 467 little suckers will spread all over the state: conquering town 468 after town until finally oregon isn't green any more. I live in 469 a VERY small town... only about 3 businesses and a school... 470 that's the downtown. All of my friends and their parents are 471 worried that they will decide that Corbett is a pushover and 472 TRY to take it over. That is if they can! They'll get a lot of 473 static if they even enter or attempt to take it over. What I'm 474 saying is that they are fine where they are... If they don't 475 move, thats fine. If they move... More red to them. I listened 476 on talk radio KMJK last Saturday and they were talking to the 477 Mayor of Rajneeshpuram. One man asked: 478 "Would you support America in a war or a money crisis?" 479 the mayor replied: 480 "That's up to the people... that's their decision. I myself 481 would not." 482 Now doesn't that get your goat? 483 Another question was: 484 "Do you plan to inhabit other areas of Oregon?" 485 (a nice way of putting "Are you gonna take over any more towns?") 486 The reply was: 487 "At the present moment, Rajneeshpuram is still in it's development 488 stages. We will eventually go from town to town and eventually 489 take over Oregon." 490 THAT'S what got me mad. Keep the mail coming.... It's interesting. 491 492 Tron 497 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 498 499 THE RAJNEESPURAM IS SMALL TIME COMPARED TO ROY MASTERS MOVEMENT 500 IN GRANTS PASS. HE PLANS ON HAvING 1,6,000 OF HIS FOLLOWERS 501 MOVE TO GRANTS PASS 8(POP. 15,000). TALKING ABOUT A TAKE OVER! 502 ONE GOOD THING HAS BECOME OF THIS, THE CITIZENS OF GRANTS 503 PASS HAVE COME TOGETHER TO FIGHT THIS INVASION. THESE TAKE OVERS 504 OF SMALL TOWNS MUST STOP, THIS IS ONE THING THAT EvERYBODy 505 CAN AGREE _ON! 506 507 508 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ANDY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 542 543 Someone once said that it was possible to upload to this system. How can this be true? It loses characters and screws 544 up on upload. Does it send CTRL-S or CTRL-Q? 545 546 Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow 547 548 To my dearest Fang: 549 Meet me in the garbage can behind the Oyster Bar restaurant at 550 midnight. BYOM (Bring Your Own Mouse) 551 Love, 552 Momo 553 554 Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow 555 556 557 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 558 559 ...........continued. 560 One other factor contributing to Japanese (NOT "JAP") industrial 561 superiority is that american manufacturers strive to develop 562 products with every feature the consumer could possibly want. It 563 is an unfortunate consequence that few can afford such luxury and for eco- 564 nomic reasons purchase the more functional, less expensive and more re- 565 liable Japanese models. 566 567 Hrothgar: Indeed the subject has changed (from religion). It seems that 568 Leonard has abandoned ship and swum off in another direction; and I have 569 still seen no signs of "d", perhaps he has gone down with the ship. I be- 570 lieve us heathens have emerged from the debate victorious. (Let's see 571 if that will elicit a response.) 572 573 Tron: Is that second quote of the mayor of Rajneeshpuram a direct, word- 574 for-word quote?? It seems unlikely that he would verbalize it even if it 575 were the case. 576 577 CYM: I acknowledge your acknowledgement and thank you for your thankfulness. 578 579 To the person who asked about uploading: Have you ever seen two 580 consecutive lines on BWMS without a few mssng carctrs? Nobody really 581 cares (much). 582 583 Dirty Ol' Man 584 585 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 586 587 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ COSMO ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 588 589 Hello. I'm Cosmo and I'm new around here. Looks interesting. I read what 594 you all say but, letos give it somemore discussion. I think 595 Ronnie Reagan has been good for us and so has Watt... His only rea 596 problem is he is a P.R. slob. As for the Japanese, they're just 597 doing what come natural to all 'capitalist' societies- they're 598 transforming they're natural resources into cash to live on. They're a 599 n island with an underabundance of everything except people and fish. 600 A strong economy requires a business climate condusive to investment / 601 profit opportunities. Let's keep he ratio to a reasonable level by 602 controlling excess profits but lets not handicap our business segment 603 by taxing their end-line consumers until they can't afford to participat 604 e in the market place. No business, no jobs. No tax generatig workers 605 , no money for the social programs. No social programs, the cry goes out 606 - more money. More taxes. Less business. Cheaper prices. Smaller 607 profits... ad infinitum. 609 We need business. Business needs a work force, the work force needs 610 to work (transform) the nations material resources. We need develoment 611 , we need popular support and prevaling common sense and reasoned 612 thought. Should we tax the churches and the businesses owned by the 613 churches. I believe we should. As for 615 Capital investment in the defense of the nation and its international 616 interests seems just plain sense. We defend the panama canal, the sea 620 and air lanes, against economically disastorous disruptions. Think of the 621 satellite systems which are carryin a larger and larger percentge of the 622 information traffic of this, and oter countries. Communications, 623 meteorology, earth resource managment, defense,research, etc. 624 Our economy's life-blood is flowing through those systems. Is defense 625 of these systems not valid? Then any ol' Mohaummar 626 Kadahfi can throw up a stock atmospheric sounding rocket with a 627 100 kilogram payload of six-penny nails and detonate it across th 628 path of an oncoming satellite and completely strip it of externa 629 protuberences. More Later. Cosmo./////////Mikey....where are you??? DOM