💾 Archived View for gemini.spam.works › mirrors › textfiles › messages › ALTERREALITY › ar43.txt captured on 2022-06-12 at 15:40:10.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: term prgs.
Date & Time: 10/28/90 22:53:06
Message Number 10051
I haven't heard of any external line filters for computer systems, but
I'm sure such a device isn't impossible. BYE does it in software by
weeding out certain characters and character combinations, like
curly braces and things of that nature, but the result is you can't
use those characters in messages. In theory, it should be possible
to build some sort of line filter, although I suspect it'd be of
somewhat limited usefulness, since it wouldn't be able to fill in
missing information that wasn't simply obscured by static...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 10/28/90 22:57:10
Message Number 10052
On the subject of drug legalization: Depends on which drugs we're
talking about. Drugs like pot, it'd be a damn good idea; when it
comes right down to it, weed is a safer intoxicant than alcohol, it's
easy enough to produce that you can't really control it effectively
by outlawing it (unlike things like heroin or PCP, you don't exactly
need a full-fledged lab to produce it), and the money we're wasting
to fight it could be used for other things. Harder drugs like PCP
and crack: No way. They are simply too dangerous and too destructive.
On the other hand, I think we're fighting them in a totally asinine
way; as long as there is a demand for them they will be supplied,
period, and no force known to man is going to prevent that from
happening. Only by attacking the root of the problem, by way of
things like drug education, Federally-sponsored drug rehab programs
(most private programs cost between four hundred and a thousand
dollars a day, for Christ's sake!) and other efforts aimed at the
demand are we likely to see significant results.
Incidentally, while the DEA is crowing over the fact that a price
of a key in Miami has gone up from $16K to about $24K in the last
year, it appears that that's more because all the Columbian drug lords
are in the process of moving to Brazil than because the interdiction
program is actually /working/. It also doesn't really mean a whole
lot from the street point of view; the price per gram's been hovering
at around $120 for a long time, it's just that it's heavily stepped-on
now whereas a couple of years ago it was commonplace to find 85% pure
coke on the streets. That's rather uncool from a public health point of
view, since the stuff tends to get cut with everything from Borax to
fiberglass filler...thank you George Bush, you always have the well-
being of your citizens in mind.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: furry art
Date & Time: 10/28/90 23:08:07
Message Number 10053
>>Furry art...long story...
>We're listen'n
Well, there was this party, see, and...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: David Duke
Date & Time: 10/28/90 23:09:10
Message Number 10054
>People are a product of their environment. That goes for religion,
>personal prejudices, political views, etc.
There is more than a little evidence to suggest that fear and hatred
of people who are different from yourself is biologically-based,
rather than learned. From an evolutionary standpoint, people who are
not members of your group represent competition for the same resources
you need, and are therefore potential threats; also, the best way to
ensure the survival of your own genetic line is to eradicate other lines
that share the same ecological niche as you do. It's an outdated and
obsolete instinct, but it's still largely instinct.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: PS/1
Date & Time: 10/28/90 23:14:34
Message Number 10056
While I'll admit there's a certain apropriateness to buying a PS/1 in
a K-Mart, the fact remains that they're staggeringly bad computers at
an obnoxiously overinflated price, which two facts means that the
people who own them are for some inexplicable reason insufferably proud
of them. The problem /there/ is that these same people, who probably
can't even spell "PS/1" to begin with, much less "8086" or "68000,"
become a rather significant market force that encourages the develop-
ment of tens of thousands of bad PS/1 word processors and other
dippy applications at the cost of development for more interesting
machines. Then you start to see bad prots from IBM's cropping up on
Amigas and other, more powerful computers, and you see whole
industries grow up with the entirely unfounded notion that only by
developing applications for IBM hardware to the exclusion or near-
exclusion of all other machines can they stay in business, which only
increases the arrogance of the people who spent too much on PS/1's
to begin with, and, well, I get annoyed.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: ALL
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 10/28/90 23:20:26
Message Number 10057
Mythagoras #3 is here! It sports a beautiful four-color cover, and
features stories and artwork by Terrie Smith, Paul Kidd, Watts Martin,
Eric Blumrich, Chuck Mellvile, and others (including "UltraSheep" by
Dirty Wrat & yours truly...) Cover price is $3.95 per issue (48 pages).
It will be available at the Time Machine in Bradenton within the next
few weeks, or if you can't wait you can pick up an issue from me
(got some of the first batch to come off the press!).
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: TURTLE
Subject:
Date & Time: 10/29/90 01:55:05
Message Number 10060
I believe that Pres. Bush recieved a letter from a drug lord coalition
thanking him for the interdiction. Some thing about shoring up the drug
prices...
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: ALL
Subject: words of wisdom
Date & Time: 10/29/90 03:06:26
Message Number 10061
Sex should friendly. Otherwise stick to mechanical toys...
...It's more sanitary.
===========
From: MAX
To: BEATLE
Subject: Add another
Date & Time: 10/29/90 21:10:23
Message Number 10062
> Someone let me know if I'm wrong, but does it seem the dark and light
> extremes have been mentioned in these arguments and not the shades of
> grey??
Gosh, you mean there's grey in these pictures, too? Got to change that
dithering algorithm. Rats.
The idea that there's more than two sides to most issues seems to be
quite beyond a lot of people; the idea that there's more than one way of
looking at the /same/ side is fuzzy to even more.
If someone burns the flag, they are symbolically burning the
country. If this wasn't the case, there wouldn't be any reason /anyone/
got upset over it. But are they being disrespectful to the ideals of
the Constitution, or are they being disrespectful to the practice of it?
As a case in point, there was an art exhibit here a while ago which
had an American flag partly dipped in a pool of oil. Everyone was
outraged over it; the museum was broken into twice, and eventually the
exhibit was removed. The artist's point, however, was that American
ideals are being held hostage to the interests of big business (such as
oil companies), and that as the environment is destroyed by such lack
of foresight, America goes with it. It sounds to me like the "flag
desecrator" was more patriotic, perhaps, than those denying him the
right to make that comment.
Most flag-burning cases can't make the same claim, but even so, the
reason that America was actually founded was because English citizens
were tired of having no ability to voice their criticisms of their
government. This is why freedom of speech, with /no/ conditionals
about patriotism, was guaranteed in the Bill of Rights to begin with --
to make sure that American citizens have the right to criticize their
government.
Whether or not you violently disagree with flag-burning (or it makes
you violently ill, even), the day that the flag-burners absolutely
cannot make their point in that manner is the day they have won.
===========
From: MAX
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: ST:TNG
Date & Time: 10/29/90 21:22:47
Message Number 10063
> I compare Poseidon, Zeus, and Hades to Ares....
Then by all means, I compare Hecate and Athene. They're both Greek and
female and occasionally invoked by Smurf Wiccans who don't grok the
concept completely.
===========
From: MAX
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: You HOSERS
Date & Time: 10/29/90 21:28:39
Message Number 10064
Why do you bother reading "Savage Sword of Conan" if you're a modern,
enlightened male? (Or for that matter, literate and past the age of
13?) You have to figure that most of the big Conan fans are big,
ultra-macho types anyway.
> Tell me, do ALL Marines think like this scumbag?
Well, a friend of mine who used to run a BBS was one of the biggest
fans of "Erma Felna, EDF" that I can think of; it was a military sf
story about a flight commander who, among other things, faced a great
deal of prejudice because of her sex (in the first few issues, she
was sent into battle because the original commander was stuck on another
planet and she was the highest-ranking qualified officer left, and she
ended up becoming a hero of the battle, something the higher brass
wasn't too pleased with). It is about the furthest thing from Conan
that I can think of in terms of philosophy, characterization, writing
and (especiall when you talk about the Marvel Conan) overall quality
I can think of. This friend also happens to be a Green Beret.
===========
From: MAX
To: TURTLE
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/29/90 21:46:38
Message Number 10065
> And why was it a closed world during the Dark Ages, hmm?
The fall of the Roman Empire cannot be blamed on Christianity. That the
Catholic Church was the institution that tried to fill the gap could be
considered unfortunate, or at least the attitudes (primarily the one
that knowledge is reserved for priests) that came with it. However,
it moved in, one suspects, because it was the only institution around
that was able to.
> In any event, I'm not convinced that going out and killing your
> neighbors is a legitimate alternative to remaining isolationist...
It isn't. However, the Crusades were, in a sense, latecomers to a long
legacy of killing your neighbors in that region. Your earlier comment
about the Islamic nations being kinder to strangers only holds true if
those strangers aren't a perceived threat, just like Chrisitanity -- or
a lot of other "empires." The fight over the "holy lands" of Islam,
Judaism and Christendom was around before the Crusades and has persisted
long, long after.
While it's certainly not a defense of Christianity, I suspect that
the reason the list of "charges" against the religion is so long is that
it's been the predominant institution in the Western World and thus has
had the time and power to screw things up to a much greater extent than
other institutions. Assuming that a state of anarchy can't exist in a
region for too long, since it's really a fundamentally more unstable
situation than an empire beset by enemies, I have serious doubts as to
whether any of the likely alternatives to the Holy Roman Empire would
have a significantly better track record.
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: ALL WHO WILL LISTEN
Subject: Navel's
Date & Time: 10/29/90 23:53:04
Message Number 10068
Did Adam And Eve Have Navels?
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: PS/1
Date & Time: 10/30/90 01:25:10
Message Number 10069
Well, you have a right to be annoyed; but do you have a right to say
that they are /really/ trashy computers? I mean, their popularity has
to say something for them. Apparently, some people are a hell of a lot
more impressed with them than you are.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: words of wisdom
Date & Time: 10/30/90 01:31:41
Message Number 10071
Sex shouldn't rabid. So stay away from small animals...
...It's safer.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Navel's
Date & Time: 10/30/90 01:35:34
Message Number 10072
No, but they had Movets and Pivassos.
===========
From: MAX
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: PS/1
Date & Time: 10/30/90 21:36:38
Message Number 10073
> I mean, their popularity has to say something for them.
The Commodore-64 is still the best-selling microcomputer of all time,
yet its heyday came and went during the MS-DOS reign. "Rambo" was also
an immensely popular movie, and in fact, all of the top 5 money-making
movies with the exception of "Batman" are sequels. So, it would seem
that (a) popularity is not an indication of quality, and (b) people
would rather stick with the known and trite rather than the new and
(potentially) daring.
The PS/1 is new, but only in terms of case design. People are
impressed with it because it's a "low end" 286 machine with IBM's name
on it and VGA graphics inside. That's all fine and dandy, but you can
get true 16-bit machines with comparable graphics for less, both in the
MS-DOS architecture and out. It is still bundled with business
applications -- fairly mediocre ones, by MS-DOS standards -- and has
a rather boneheaded GUI to make things almost, but not quite, as easy
as a Macintosh. (As Byte magaztem a direct question and get a
reply. It works too. It's just all that DATA!!!!!!!!!!!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Navel's
Date & Time: 10/31/90 00:10:48
Message Number 10076
>Did Adam And Eve Have Navels?
Does God have hands? If so, does he ever use them for anything? For that
matter, can god create a boulder that's so heavy he can't lift it?
Enquiring minds want to know!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: PS/1
Date & Time: 10/31/90 00:12:03
Message Number 10077
>...do you have the right to say that they are /really/ trashy
>computers? I mean, their popularity has to say something for them.
>Apparantly, some people are a hell of a lot more impressed with them
>than you are.
Their popularity doesn't say a bloody damn thing about /them,/ it says
something for IBM's marketing muscle. Popularity and quality are two
totally unrelated concepts. Yes, some people are impressed with them.
Most of those people have never used another computer, or never used
another computer more sophisticated than a C=64. Again, has nothing
to do with the quality of the machine itself. I don't like it because
it's not expandable, it's outrageously overpriced, it's based on a
slow and not terribly well-designed architecture, it runs an eight-bit
operating system that was obsolete in 1984 on a sixteen-bit processor
that was specifically designed for a bus it's not using, it's con-
structed with surface-mount technology that makes it, essentially, a
throwaway computer (you can't service or repair the motherboard), it
claims to have VGA graphics but is limited to a tiny color palette,
it's billed as the ultimate easy-to-use machine but in actuality its
user interface is neither as sophisticated nor as intuitive as the Apple
interface it was ripped from, it's underpowered, particularly for the
price, and its sole purpose in life is as a marketing ploy to wedge
IBM farther into the PC market (and even IBM will tell you that).
Other than that, the only thing I object to about it is that it's
built on a pathetic bus and it's ugly.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: words of wisdom
Date & Time: 10/31/90 00:23:04
Message Number 10078
Sex shouldn't be purple. So stay away from pastels...
...It's gaudy.
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: Bigotry
Date & Time: 10/31/90 17:22:21
Message Number 10079
I, also, despise bigotry. But I've seen bigotry from both genders,
and all races. No group is free.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/31/90 17:24:20
Message Number 10080
To be frank, I'm quite confused by your message. For example, what
gods exist within Buddhism? The Buddha clearly taught that he was NOT
to be worshipped.
Secondly, what do the Egyptian gods Anubis or Osiris have to do
with Buddhism? I agree: one of the two was much more friendly than
the other; but they were certainly not the only gods worshipped.
Hail Aten!
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Georgie
Date & Time: 10/31/90 17:36:39
Message Number 10081
First and foremost, I've never advocated the permanent loss of
the Federal government. I've only applauded when George shut down
the government because of Congress. I wish he had kept it shut down
until Congress came up with a satisfactory budget.
I have said that if the Federal government failed, we would survive.
Definitely not as well; definitely with more problems between states;
but we would survive.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/31/90 17:41:15
Message Number 10082
>And why was it a closed world during the Dark Ages, hmm?
Not due to Christianity! Again, I claim that the fall of the Roman
Empire (and the fall of its communications) was the cause of the Dark
Ages. The fact that Christianity tried to maintain order during that
time was not the cause.
>I'm not convinced that going out and killing your neighbors is a
>legitimate alternative to remaining isolationist...
Basically, both war and complete isolationism scare me. Frankly,
I'm enough of a pragmatist to say that the ends (the Rennaissance)
somewhat justified the Crusades.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/31/90 17:46:46
Message Number 10083
>Astronomy was a Persian invention. Persia was Muslim.
Ahem? Turtle, I thought you were reasonably intelligent. Astronomy
existed well before Islam existed.
>The science of history, I believe, is credited to the Muslims.
Really? There were quite a few historians in the Roman empire. Granted,
many of them were rather one-sided. But they were historians still.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: BURNEY
Subject: Cmdr
Date & Time: 10/31/90 17:50:53
Message Number 10084
>There are more CBM's out there than any other computer any where.
Really? Where's your source for that information?
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: BEATLE
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 10/31/90 17:53:01
Message Number 10085
My opinions on drug legalization? A doctor should be allowed to
prescribe any medication his medical opinion says would help his
patient.
Quite sincerely, my life has been saved twice by medications not
available in the United States. (I was not in the U.S. at the time.)
The medication was considered too highly addictive for use in the
States, but it was ideal for my illness.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: BURNEY
Subject: David Duke
Date & Time: 10/31/90 18:00:35
Message Number 10086
>People are a product of there environment.
Exactly. That's one of the reasons why I advocate the idea of a
'global village' instead of nationalistic ideas.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: TURTLE
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 10/31/90 18:10:34
Message Number 10087
But, Turtle -- don't you realize? It's so much flashier to burn down
drug fields than it is to try to stop the demand! And it makes much
better films when re-election time comes around.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: words of wisdom
Date & Time: 10/31/90 18:13:37
Message Number 10088
>Sex should friendly. Otherwise stick to mechanical toys... it's
>more sanitary.
I hate Lazarus Long.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Navel's
Date & Time: 10/31/90 18:18:34
Message Number 10089
>Did Adam and Eve Have Navels?
Probably. And they probably had every other kind of orange.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: KEN SABLE
To: OVER 600 MESSAGES
Subject: And Noone
Date & Time: 10/31/90 18:43:01
Message Number 10090
Writes me! ::Sniff:: NOBODY LOVES ME ANYMORE! ::WAAAHHHHH!::
At any rate, here I am calling after not calling after a week or so,
and I'm not going to even /attempt/ to read all the messages!
Don't forget: The Armadillo Connection 813/378-2218 8N124
-Sable-
===========
From: BURNEY
To: BEATLE
Subject: Cmdr
Date & Time: 10/31/90 19:13:55
Message Number 10092
I hava a friend with an AMIGA. He uses it to do video transfer work
(title screens and such). He is very busy but says when he gets the
time, its back to the Commodore. I hav a C64 hopefully a 128 soon.
===========
From: BURNEY
To: BEATLE
Subject: geeks
Date & Time: 10/31/90 19:17:23
Message Number 10093
If you wqnt to talk about social outcasts, lemme tell you about myself
in high school. I was one of those geeks, and to top that I didn't pay
attention. 2 strikes. I'm much
better now (thankyou doctor). It will change in time. Now I don't give
a damn what any one thinks about me personally (or my spelling...not
always the best). Give it time. How old are you (Email if privacy
desired) if I may be so bold as to ask?
===========
From: BURNEY
To: BEATLE
Subject: Drg legal.
Date & Time: 10/31/90 19:22:33
Message Number 10094
Some one who works for me just returned from Amsterdam. There he
took several photos of people on the public streets in broad daylight
shooting up. I dont think its a good idea.
===========
From: BURNEY
To: TURTLE
Subject: furry art
Date & Time: 10/31/90 19:33:16
Message Number 10096
>Well, there was this party, see, and...
Yeah...Yeah...(pant, pant)
===========
From: BURNEY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Navel's
Date & Time: 10/31/90 19:46:01
Message Number 10098
UM....do you mean belly buttons?
===========
From: BURNEY
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Cmdr
Date & Time: 10/31/90 19:54:57
Message Number 10099
To be perfectly honest, I dont have a source. I was gonig on the premis
someone told me, and its been confirmed through many individuals.
For instance there is an earlier message than this one who says the same
thing. (somewhere around #10045)
===========
From: BURNEY
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: David Duke
Date & Time: 10/31/90 19:58:45
Message Number 10100
Forgive this poor slobs ignorance, but what do you mean by 'global villa
ge'
===========
From: BURNEY
To: KEN SABLE
Subject: And Noone
Date & Time: 10/31/90 20:01:25
Message Number 10101
Hey I know what you mean. I've been busy lately and its hell trying to
keep up with all the messages in your allotted time.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: words of wisdom
Date & Time: 10/31/90 21:44:54
Message Number 10102
So what's wrong with incestuous sex? That's what brothels are for.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Navel's
Date & Time: 10/31/90 21:48:02
Message Number 10103
I wonder what they did with the lint...
===========
From: ABARACUS
To: ALL
Subject: hello
Date & Time: 10/31/90 22:17:11
Message Number 10104
hello all, i just called to see whats going on here... I didnt know
that this bbs was still up, (how long have you had this bbs up about 2
years or so??)
later all...
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: Parts is parts.
Date & Time: 11/01/90 00:21:36
Message Number 10105
You forgot about the Snozwanglers and the Vermiscious Cnids...
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: TURTLE
Subject: God
Date & Time: 11/01/90 00:23:16
Message Number 10106
All gods have feet of clay, so make sure they wipe their feet before
coming inside.
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Heinlein
Date & Time: 11/01/90 00:24:42
Message Number 10107
Lazarus Long drives me up the wall too. But Heinlein! Now there was one
twisted mother-forker. Did you ever read "The cat that walks through
walls"? Great book. Or try "Number of the Beast."
Can you figure out where this quote's from?(Or who it's from?)
"Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total
obliteration. I will face my fear. It will wash over and through me.
When it is gone, Only I will Remain."
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Oranges
Date & Time: 11/01/90 00:30:21
Message Number 10108
Aaaaahhhhh! But! Were they Manderin? Or just Limen?
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: BURNEY
Subject: navels
Date & Time: 11/01/90 00:31:39
Message Number 10109
No. Oranges actually. Yes!!!!!! Belly-Buttons!
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY
Subject: ??????????
Date & Time: 11/01/90 00:36:22
Message Number 10110
I'm sitting here typing (badly) and I wonder... I can see in this room,
but when the lights go out, is it all really there? If I convinced
myself that it wasn't, would it be? (If I stopped taking the drugs
would I still right stupid messages like this?) If I took more drugs,
Would your replys seem different? Is this relevent? Are you relevent?
Does any one care?
....Probably not....
...I don't.
Manic deppression is hard to deal with at 1:00 am eh?
===========
From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:18:06
Message Number 10111
Yes, that would be the type of thing I was thinking of. Leagalizing
a drug like crack would be VERY stupid...
===========
From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:21:02
Message Number 10112
> Cover price is $3.95...
Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! Me want Mythagoras NOW! Mine! Mine! Mine!
It's times like these when I wish I had a car, or at least a license
to drive alone...
===========
From: BEATLE
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: PS/1
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:26:54
Message Number 10113
> do you have a right to say that they are /really/ trashy computers?
In a word, yes.
> ...has to say something for them. Apparently, some people are a hell
> of a lot more impressed with them than you are.
It's been mentioned around here many times that the sales of a
computer have no bearing whatsoever on the quality of said computer. I
mean 2 Live Crew sold tons of records, and their music is the worst
thing I've ever heard called "music". Also, most people might buy a PS/1
because the support is good or they just don't want a different computer
and don't know what else is out there...
I myself don't trust a computer in which you must replace a large
portion of the machine any time a smaller part breaks down.
===========
From: BEATLE
To: MAX
Subject: PS/1
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:32:34
Message Number 10114
Allow me to jump in with some more useless facts...
Last time I checked (and I like to often), the top-grossing film of
all-time was "E.T." negating the comment that the 5 top money makers
except "Batman" were sequels. Plus, I would like to ask why you seem to
imply that a sequel indicates lower quality. Some of the top money
making sequels, namely "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Indiana Jones and
the Last Crusade", have been VERY high quality products...
===========
From: BEATLE
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:38:24
Message Number 10115
> And it makes much better films when re-election time comes around.
One of the things that keeps me amused through my years of growing up
is the absurdity of politics. There are too many things to mention here,
but I certainly hope it's more of a useful system when I get old enough
to vote. I'm too lazy to run, however... but then again, isn't that one
of the things that would make an almost typical politician?
===========
From: BEATLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: geeks
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:42:47
Message Number 10116
No privacy neccesary... most people here know me. I'm 15, and just
over a month away from 16 (yay!)....
===========
From: BEATLE
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: ??????????
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:46:01
Message Number 10117
> Manic deppression is hard to deal with at 1:00 am eh?
Well, if you are taking some sort of drugs (like was implied earlier
in the message), stop, and it should help. I know someone who was taking
drugs quite often and considered herself a manic depressive. Now she's n
not taking drugs anymore (I believe) and she's no depressed anymore.
===========
From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: David Duke
Date & Time: 11/01/90 19:59:02
Message Number 10119
>...start buying so many PS/1's that they'll pop up in K-Mart.
"Attention K-Mart customers, we are having a blue light special on bad
computers. PS/1's, only $39.95."
===========
From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: Toxic Shock
Date & Time: 11/01/90 20:02:12
Message Number 10120
Speaking of McD's, they've announced they won't be using foam
containers for their sandwich items.
===========
From: BURNEY
To: BEATLE
Subject: ShOCk
Date & Time: 11/01/90 20:50:27
Message Number 10122
I'm very suprised to hear (see)
that. By the way you talk, I'd have guessed much, much older [(17/18)
just kidding]. You seem much more mature than your years may suggest.
You've got a good start on the future...dont blow it by trying to
become like the riff raff you aren't. In time THEY will wish they
were more like YOU.
===========
From: SPELLWIND
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 11/01/90 22:09:01
Message Number 10125
True, but the fact that they are totally different does not mean that
they cannot be the same.
===========
From: SPELLWIND
To: ALL
Subject: juydg x
Date & Time: 11/01/90 22:19:44
Message Number 10126
AERTJUJ (arami for blue-faced)
Another time....
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: BEATLE
Subject: Drugs
Date & Time: 11/01/90 22:57:33
Message Number 10128
The drug humor was just that, drug HUMOR! The only things I'm addicted
to is music, and nicotine.(One good, one bad, I know...) and the reason
for the depression was because I saw into the future and saw that
Beyond Chaos had crashed. And I just came up with a new way to kill the
rebels on the story board!!!!!!WWWWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: BURNEY
Subject: 's ok
Date & Time: 11/01/90 23:02:59
Message Number 10129
It probably was funny, but it was late, and I was tired (like now) and
my humor sensors were not on kilter. later...
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: ALL
Subject: modems
Date & Time: 11/01/90 23:08:28
Message Number 10130
Any one no where I can find a 2400 Bd hayes compatible modem cheap?
(No, not no but "know" ya' know?
The one I have is to slow, and is there any recomendations out there
for good com.software for IBM's?(Not ps/1's please)
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Georgie
Date & Time: 11/02/90 01:57:28
Message Number 10132
>I wish he [George] had kept it shut down until Congress came up with
>a satisfactory budget.
It'd still be shut down. I'd hardly call the bound three-volume disaster
they produced "satisfactory."
By the way, I hope you all in BBS land are ready for the tax hikes
on gasoline and alcohol coming December first; I'm not looking forward
to them!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 11/02/90 01:59:45
Message Number 10133
>Astronomy existed well before Islam existed.
Astrology existed well before Islam existed. Such astronomy as was
necessary for the pursuit of astrology also existed. According to my
Islamic Studies professor, though, both astronomy as a pure (ie,
unconnected with fortunetelling, "the will of the gods," and similar
nonsense) and history the way we understand the term were Islamic
innovations. There is a HELL of a difference (pardon the expression)
between the off-the-cuff fast and loose "history" as it appears in the
Bible and history as a serious discipline, and Ibn Khaldun is generally
regarded by pretty near everyone to be the world's first true historian.
There's more to history than saying "King Izod raised his taxes
yesterday; man, that ticks me off!"
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Cmdr
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:03:33
Message Number 10134
>Really? What's your source for that information?
Wake up and smell the 6502's, dude! The C=64 is the best-selling
computer in history, and still has more units installed worldwide than
any other hardware platform in existance! You didn't think it was
PC architecture machines, did you??
===========
From: TURTLE
To: KEN SABLE
Subject: And Noone
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:05:56
Message Number 10135
>NOBODY LOVES ME ANYMORE!
Well, I'm sure...no, wait. I think that's not true. Um...any takers?
(grin)
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: furry art
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:07:25
Message Number 10136
Well, see, there was this party, and I got kinda wasted, see, and
a friend of mine there was just getting exposed to the "furry" thing
for the first time, and she had this set of Magic Markers, see, and...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: instinct
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:08:44
Message Number 10137
Yes, xenophobia and bigotry most certainly /can/ be learned from other
people. I'm not saying that the only way you get bigots is if they're
born that way; I'm saying that there probably exists a genetic
predisposition toward that sort of behavior.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: And Noone
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:10:25
Message Number 10138
>...it's hell trying to keep up with all the messages in your allotted
>time.
Hey, if you (or anyoine else) need more time, just let me know! I'm not
stingy. Drop me a line in E-Mail and I'll raise your time limit.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: words of wisdom
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:11:32
Message Number 10139
>So what's wrong with incestuous sex?
I can't speak for anyone else, but you've obviously never met my family,
or you'd realize the answer to that question is intuitively obvious to
even the most casual of observers...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: ABARACUS
Subject: hello
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:13:15
Message Number 10140
aLTER rEALITY's been up for a year and two months now. Welcome
aboard!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Heinlein
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:16:00
Message Number 10141
>Fear is the mind-killer...
Bene Gesserit saying, from "Dune."
"The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" is truly a remarkable book.
Remarkably /bad/, that is. Kind of a shame; most of his earlier
works were much better...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: ??????????
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:22:38
Message Number 10142
>...when I turn out the light, is it all really there?
No. I keep everything that's not being illuminated in a box in a
closet at my former residence in Cape Coral. Ask Max; he's seen the
closet...
I don't always keep the box illuminated.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:24:58
Message Number 10143
>...I certainly hope [politics] is more of a useful system when I
>get old enough to vote.
HA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: ??????????
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:26:02
Message Number 10144
I know someone who occasionally takes drugs because she /is/
depressed...although I hardly think that part of the message was all
that serious.
Recreational drugs don't generally cause manic-depressive behavior.
Suicidial, homicidial, psychotic, paranoid, schizophrenic, irrational,
weird, and fun behavior, yes; manic-depressive, no.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: RUFUS
Subject: Toxic Shock
Date & Time: 11/02/90 02:29:43
Message Number 10145
I heard about McD's switching to paper containers. It kinda ticks me
off. Sure, polystyrene isn't degradable, but paper isn't degradable
in landfills either AND you gotta cut down trees to make it, it's
an environmental disaster to manufacture, and it leeches toxic stuff
into the ground when it gets wet.
===========
From: CRYSTAL
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/02/90 04:33:29
Message Number 10147
Two questions,
1) What country were you in, at the time the medication was precribed?
2) What was the drug that you were precribed?
* CRYSTAL *
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: BURNEY
Subject: Cmdr
Date & Time: 11/02/90 17:34:01
Message Number 10149
I've also heard this from a third source, Turtle. You might be right.
I thought by now Big Blue had sold more computers, but I admit: I'm
probably wrong.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: BURNEY
Subject: Duke Univ.
Date & Time: 11/02/90 17:36:47
Message Number 10150
>Forgive this poor slobs ignorance...
I don't know if you're either poor or slobbish, but if you're on
this board, you almost certainly aren't ignorant.
>...but what do you mean by 'global village'?
It's one of my idealisms. Basically, I'm saying that people the world
over have to become aware of the cultures outside their own. In other
words, one of the roads to peace is global understanding and acceptance.
We're afraid of that which we don't understand, so we must make
ourselves and others aware of other cultures; other ideas. The United
States has tried to make itself isolated from the world for too long --
then it tried to become the global policeman. Neither solution will help
the world (especially including the U.S.) grow together. Nothing
terribly profound there, really.
Basically, for the U.S, it means an acceptance that we're no longer
"number one" in everything -- and that we're now receiving some of the
same exploitation we once gave to other countries. It means that we
don't operate in a vacuum; that other countries, other ideas, other
basic philosophies do exist. And without a knowledge of them, we'll
fall further and worther behind in the world's eyes.
The terribly unprofound /Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: DIONYSUS
Subject: Navel's
Date & Time: 11/02/90 17:50:02
Message Number 10151
>I wonder what they did with the lint...
Well, I lent it to Liszt. He wint somewhere with it...
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Heinlein
Date & Time: 11/02/90 17:53:33
Message Number 10152
>Did you ever read "The cat that walks through walls"?
Unfortunately, yes. It should be re-titled "How Pixel saved the
universe."
>Or try "Number of the Beast."
I did. The four <or maybe six or seven> least logical "mathe-
maticians" I've ever seen. If they had all the theory of the multiple
universes before, why did it take them so long to figure out they were
jumping from fiction-universe to fiction-universe?
Both of those were some of the worse, most "escapist" Heinlein.
(They weren't his worst novel, however. His very last novel was.)
Of his later works, I like Stranger in a Strange Land the most.
But his earlier ones were fantastic.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: ??????????
Date & Time: 11/02/90 18:00:32
Message Number 10153
>I can see this room, but when the lights go out, is it all really
>there?
Yes, but when the lights are on, and you can see the room, is it
all really there? Even though you can see things, does it mean they
exist? Does anything exist outside your mind? Does your mind exist?
If so, what color is it? Or does color exist? Does existance exist?
The solipsistic /Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: BEATLE
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/02/90 18:04:56
Message Number 10154
Hmmm... it seems to me that politicking (that is, telling your voters
how good of a job you're doing) and being a politician (that is, making
sure your voters' interests are being served) are entirely different
skills. We have many fine actors in Congress and the Senate who act
wonderfully in front of cameras. I'm not sure how many of them are
more interested in serving their voters than getting re-elected.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DRAGONFLY
To: CRYSTAL
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/02/90 18:20:47
Message Number 10156
> What country were you in, at the time the medication was prescribed?
> What was the drug that you were prescribed?
Hmm... should I be talking about this on a tapped BBS?
The country was Mexico, and I don't remember the drug. I know
it was opium-based, but I'm not sure what, precisely, it was.
/Dragonfly/
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: BEATLE
Subject: PS
Date & Time: 11/02/90 19:04:27
Message Number 10157
Okay. You have a right to say that IBMs are really trashy computers.
But don't expect me to share that view. Sure, there are better systems
on the market, some prices a hell of a lot more reasonably, I might add.
But IBM still sets a lot of precedents, are still VERY well respected
(at least among SOME), and really deserve credit for being what they are
in the computer world.
2 Live Crew is the worst thing you've ever heard called music? Well,
Manatee Bar Association had lunch last week listening to 2 Live Crew,
and actually didn't think they were all that bad. Of course, the lyrics
were dubbed out.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: BEATLE
Subject: E.T.
Date & Time: 11/02/90 19:10:30
Message Number 10158
E.T. was, in fact a sequel. What did that stand for anyway? Oh yeah -
The Extra Testicle. I think it was number three in the series.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: RUFUS
Subject: PS/1s
Date & Time: 11/02/90 19:12:57
Message Number 10159
Gimme forty of 'em.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: RUFUS
Subject: Toxic Shock
Date & Time: 11/02/90 19:14:31
Message Number 10160
Damn! And those foam containers are so good at repelling catsup stains,
too.
===========
From: DIONYSUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: words of wisdom
Date & Time: 11/02/90 19:22:16
Message Number 10162
I'm afraid my attempt at a pun was taken seriously... oh well.
===========
From: BURNEY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: 's ok
Date & Time: 11/02/90 19:52:31
Message Number 10163
>humor sensors not on kilter...
Hey, noooo problemo dude.
(notice the unseen punctuation over the 'e' in problemo.) (pro:
problaymo)
===========
From: BURNEY
To: TURTLE
Subject: furry art
Date & Time: 11/02/90 19:58:49
Message Number 10164
No need to go further. I get the picture. This /is/ a family board....
.....right?
===========
From: BURNEY
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Duke Univ.
Date & Time: 11/02/90 20:06:12
Message Number 10165
With that I hAve to agree. Japan is a perfect example. They killed
people who came to there shores. After many years under the daimyos
(spelling) and various warlords and ultimately the shogun, they
realized that if they were to rule the world (which was the goals of
the emperor) they would have to learn the ideologies of the world and
glean from them what they thought was needed to rule the world. (ex:
learned from german army until defeated in ww1 then I believe they went
to French(?)...not sure)
===========
From: BURNEY
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/02/90 20:15:29
Message Number 10166
Was it that cancer drug?
===========
From: BURNEY
To: TURTLE
Subject: instinct
Date & Time: 11/02/90 20:21:43
Message Number 10167
You are another person who says that. I also heard that about crime
and blacks (no kidding I really heard that...on the 6:00 news no less
about 2 months ago) What makes you come to that conclusion?
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: TURTLE
Subject: heinlein
Date & Time: 11/02/90 20:48:38
Message Number 10168
Perhaps, but I like Heinleins work. Old or new. I havn't got to much of
his older writing,(I am in fact going backwards at waldenbooks) but I
read stranger in a strange land( you grok me?) The collection of short
storys called (The Past Through Tommorow) is good and contains a lot of
older stuff. Get it and read,Methusela's Children as well as Misfit
Do you like Orson Scott Cards works? (Ender's Game, and Speaker for the
Dead?)
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: TURTLE
Subject: Illumination
Date & Time: 11/02/90 20:53:59
Message Number 10169
How do you keep all that stuff in your closet? Perhaps by means of
temporal displacement? (for a complete explanation of T.D. read
Spellsinger by Allen Dean Foster) what would happen if we shed light on
the closet? Would all its contents explode into reality? (whoof! messy)
or would you just have to get out the dust buster?
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Don't be tohard
Date & Time: 11/02/90 21:02:17
Message Number 10170
Perhaps not profound, But certainly eloquent. Bravo, my friend.
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: lint
Date & Time: 11/02/90 21:04:29
Message Number 10171
That last post was a little "fuzzy".
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: once again
Date & Time: 11/02/90 21:06:12
Message Number 10172
Once again, I'll repeat myself. I've read "Stranger in a..." And
I enjoyed it. The book of Short stories "The Past Through tommorow is
also good. I'm working my way through Heinlein backwards at waldenbooks
so I have not got to any "older" things yet (Any Suggestions are welcome
) But You have to understand my taste in the illogical. I'm an Organ-
Salesman(GASP!!!) I sucker people into buying a $25,000 machine (That
is a real price! No kidding!) when they're on a fixed income. I have to
play lounge music all day for the older folk just to get them in the
store. If heard "When the Saints Go Marching In" once every 15 minutes
you'd want to read a little illogical fantasy too. Yeeeeeshh!
Perhaps you see my point? Grok!
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: Solipsism
Date & Time: 11/02/90 21:15:17
Message Number 10173
I sorry but my cats exist. All cats exist, I couldn't exist without
them. I mean, what purpose would I serve other than to cater to their
feline whims? You'd have to be a cat owner(TRANS: person owned by a cat)
to understand. Are You?
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: BURNEY
Subject: language
Date & Time: 11/02/90 21:22:10
Message Number 10174
Sorry no spanish here...Sprechen Sie Deutch? Ich bin sehr mude. Chuse!
===========
From: THUMPER 1
To: TURTLE
Subject: Drugs
Date & Time: 11/02/90 21:26:15
Message Number 10175
Drugs?!!?!?! Who? Me? Where?!? NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! Did I say drugs?
NOOOOOOOO! I meant fabric softener! Yeah Yeah! That's it! Fabric soft-
ener! Who me? Drugs? No Way! Not Me...
...Well maybe nicotine, and caffine, and schlitz, Coors, Miller,
ABsoLuTE... and uH! Jose' QUervo!!!! and COke and PCP!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHA
Angel DDDUUUUSSTTTT!!!!!! OH YEAH!!! I LIKE IT!!!! CRACK !!! OH AND WHAT
ABOUT LD5 AND XT2? OH YEAH!!!SNORTSNORTSNORTSNORTSNORTSNORTSNORTSNORTSNO
RT...
...No really, just fabric softener.
===========
From: SNAKEBYTE
To: BEATLE
Subject: Barb's
Date & Time: 11/03/90 00:05:43
Message Number 10177
Sorry for the long time between calls. I got voice connected twice
here and it shyed me from trying too hard. Oh yeah, I saw the Site
station the next day and felt like a real fool.....a real big fool.
Oh well....nuthin' new for me......hehe
===========
From: SNAKEBYTE
To: TURTLE
Subject: Barb's
Date & Time: 11/03/90 00:09:27
Message Number 10178
Thanx for the info(?) on Magnetic Peripherals. What's this 5pm-9am
stuff? I call from work occasionally and I got "voiced" a couple of
times. Thought a/r had gone and died. Glad to see it hadn't.....
===========
From: SNAKEBYTE
To: THE SPECIALIST
Subject: Barb's
Date & Time: 11/03/90 00:12:04
Message Number 10179
Just about a month without getting on...wow! Sorry for the
belated thanyou for the HD info. Don't know how many sectors it
is....it's broke. Gonna get in touch with the manufacturer soon,
best way I know to be sure......see ya'
===========
From: BURNEY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Solipsism
Date & Time: 11/03/90 18:25:31
Message Number 10180
I don't know if Dragonfly is but I am. Damn that independant S.O.B.
===========
From: BURNEY
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: language
Date & Time: 11/03/90 18:28:12
Message Number 10181
I took two years of /deutsch/ in high school. That was 10 years ago.
I don't remember much (never use it). Now if I understand your deutsch
>Ich bin sehr mude. Chuse!
which I dont, you are /what/?
The answer in english would be appreciated. Maybe after a time it'll
come back.
===========
From: BURNEY
To: ALL
Subject: scratcing
Date & Time: 11/03/90 18:37:42
Message Number 10182
ScRatCh..SCRatCh..ScrATCh..
Has any body...SCraTcH...SCraTCh...got a cure...ScraTCH...for...sCRatCH.
..SCRATch...poision ivy...?
It's driving...scrAtCH...me insane
===========
From: KEN SABLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: And Noone
Date & Time: 11/03/90 21:11:59
Message Number 10184
See, no takers ... Actually EVERYONE loves me! :) What a strange TRS-
80 keyboard ... What a strange character set! Wow!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DRAGONFLY
Subject: ??????????
Date & Time: 11/03/90 21:20:34
Message Number 10186
>Does your mind exist?
Yep. Does /yours?/
--A mindful Turtle
Isn't that kind of a personal question there, dude?
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: furry art
Date & Time: 11/03/90 21:27:28
Message Number 10187
>No need to go further. i get the picture.
Bad pun, dude. I hope it was accidental...
>This /is/ a family board....
>.....right?
I don't see any families calling...but it /is/ public-access, I suppose.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: An issue
Date & Time: 11/03/90 21:29:05
Message Number 10188
>Was it that cancer drug?
No. That "cancer drug" is actually an extract of apricot pits; it's
illegal because it's about as effective in curing cancer as eating
Crayola crayons while singing "The Star-Spangled Banner," not
because it's particularly dangerous.
Still, it's a good mechanism for separating the masses from their
money...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BURNEY
Subject: instinct
Date & Time: 11/03/90 21:31:22
Message Number 10189
Huh? Not sure I see the connection between saying that people are
instinctly xenophobic and saying that there's a connection between
crime and blacks...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: THUMPER 1
Subject: Illumination
Date & Time: 11/03/90 21:32:29
Message Number 10190
Well, the closet only contains objects which are not being illuminated.
If you shed light in the closet, the objects would be illuminated and
therefore they would no longer be in the closet. Sometimes, just for
fun, I turn the closet light on and off and on and off...
Of course, when I turn the light on, the objects inside are being
illuminated so they aren't in the closet. But when they aren't in the
closet, they aren't being illuminated any more, so they are. It's
kinda fun to watch other people's stuff simultaneously exist within and
not within my closet...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: Barb's
Date & Time: 11/03/90 21:37:42
Message Number 10191
The 5pm-9am stuff is there so the line can be used in my diligent
search for employment outside of McD's...if I ever get the money, the
BBS will go to its own line and everything will be peachy-keen again.