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From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: Cobalt
Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:56:03
Message Number 5300
It's rather easy to hold a potluck in a chemistry room. Just have
people bring food into the room. That's it. Why have it in there?
I suppose it would be easy to heat stuff, what with all those bunsen
burners [lemme tell ya, it does wonders on fondue!]. And the Chem.
room may have been the only one with a fridge and oven and stove.
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From: RUFUS
To: BEATLE
Subject: Future III
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:01:06
Message Number 5301
Me, I liked the ZZ Top bit, and the Frisbee Pie plate. And the wake-up
juice.
"That's just a reflex."
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From: RUFUS
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: No more skirts!
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:04:22
Message Number 5302
I'd rather deal with a fraggle than a smurf. Fraggles have neat hair,
smurfs wear dorky hates. Fraggles also sing better songs.
"Papa smurf, papa smurf, Gargamels got a MX missle."
The end of those wretched blue excuses for ink.
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From: RUFUS
To: RAVEN
Subject: Arnie
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:13:42
Message Number 5303
Err, Saturday is O.K. with me. I'm not sure which theatre (General
Cinema or AMC) it is at, since both theatres have signs up, and
both player trailers for the film. If it's at AMC, midnight would be
good.
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From: DONTHEN
To: BEATLE
Subject: skirts
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:28:34
Message Number 5304
I believe Sigourney Weaver was contracted to appear in Alien III, but I
don't know whether or not she's starring. I haven't heard anything
about the project since the writers' strike in 1988, during which
William Gibson had stopped working on the script.
Incidentally, Sam Hamm (scripter for BATMAN) also stopped working on
the second draft of ol' Bats during that strike, and the "co-writer"
of the screenplay in the credits never worked with Hamm at all -- he was
essentially a "scab." A lot of the boneheaded ideas in the final
version as compared to the original screenplay, most notably making the
Joker the murderer of Wayne's parents and the removal of Wayne's more
psychotic elements -- along with some of his characterization -- came
from this co-writer, who had a decidedly more Hollywood bent than Hamm
does.
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From: DONTHEN
To: TURTLE
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:33:20
Message Number 5305
Xanadu was a song by ELO, sung by Olivia Newton-John. It was about a
divinely ordained roller skating rink and had nothing to do with the
poem "Kubla Khan", despite what this weird paper about rock versions of
Colerige poems I read at New College claimed. The paper complained
that the song was really bad and had nothing to do with the poem. It
WAS a fairly lame song (beastly complicated music that you wouldn't be
able to tell by listening to it, but the lyrics, er, weren't), but it
wasn't SUPPOSED to have anything to do with the poem. I hate it when
people misinterpret classic literature by soft rock/country crossover
artists from Australia, especially when they're really pretty soft
rock/country crossover artists from Australia.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: RUFUS
Subject: Gadget
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:40:34
Message Number 5306
> "Moss grows on the north side of arc welding, so I must be heading
> west...I think."-Gadget
Quoting Gadget? Don't tell me you're ANOTHER one who wants to sleep
with her? You sick... furverts.
Of course, I should talk. I had a dream within a dream last night. I
woke up from one dream to discover I was lying on my futon (footon?
footun? gray mattress-like thing) and Tyler, Dan, Bart and Wratt -- who
were all, inexplicably, spending the night in Turtle's living room with
me -- were all up and talking. This, too, was a dream; I woke up from
it a moment later to find myself lying on my futon with Tyler, Dan,
Bart and Wratt all asleep around me. This, however, was reality, or
what passed for it. The original dream was gone by this point, but I
could remember only two vague impressions from the top level of the
dream: Gadget looks really cute without any clothes, and she's really
sexually frustrated.
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From: DONTHEN
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:46:02
Message Number 5307
> Libertarianism is usually considered more right-wing than left wing...
Depends on who you ask. Libertarianism runs the gamut from Abbie
Hoffman to Atilla the Hun, as its political philosophy isn't inherently
connected to the subjects liberals and conservatives usually find to
disagree on. It's "conservative" in the sense that liberals are usually
presumed to like big, intrusive government and conservatives aren't,
but the Reagan era seems to have shown that conservatives can be just as
good as making government big -- they just concentrate on different
parts. People on either side can come to the conclusion that a minimal
government in ALL areas might, in the long run, be better than a huge
one, regardless of whether or not more is spent on defense or welfare.
Those people are libertarians, or potential libertarians. You are
quite likely to find libertarians who are pro-choice and anti-gun
control, which is something "conventional" liberals and conservatives
are often confounded by.
Of course, since you're unlikely to see this message, sending it to
you is kind of pointless, isn't it?
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From: DONTHEN
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:52:49
Message Number 5308
This is something I'd /heartily/ agree with. If you stick your nose
into a subject in what would sure as heck SEEM to be a serious fashion,
especially if you do it in a manner directly attacking another BBS user
(or his messages, or even general beliefs), you have to be prepared for
people to take you seriously. Coming on after the fact and saying,
"Gosh, it's sure nice to see all these people posting, you weren't
really taking me literally, were you?" is, if nothing else, kind of
odd. This nebulous concept of "tone" DOES come through in writing, and
if you're writing a fairly long message on a fairly touchy subject --
especially if you're being critical of somebody else, for Pete's sake --
making sure you're saying it in the way you intend it is only logical.
A cynical person would say that a "ha-ha, I wasn't serious" post is just
a way to back down and try to save face after you've decided that you
were either wrong or came across a lot more strongly than you had
intended, but don't want to apologize for fear it'll make you look like
you're changing your position. But, not being a cynical person in the
least, I wouldn't think that. Ever.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: StarTrekkies
Date & Time: 05/28/90 22:59:10
Message Number 5309
Orcs are short, too. Depending on who you ask. Some books and games
have them at dwarf size; others have them up to 7 feet tall. The world,
even in the realm of Generic Fantasy Adventure <tm>, does not revolve
around products from TSR. You will eventually learn that plots and
ideas that make great Dungeons & Dragons adventures make kind of bad
stories if you're at all concerned with things like, oh, character
development, originality, etc. Hell, even Weis & Hickman left the
realm of AD&D. They still need to work on one, JUST ONE, book that's a
cyberpunk sf novel or some such, but the stuff that they're doing now
in things like DRAGON WING is stuff that TSR would never do. DRAGON
WING is reasonably well-written from a technical standpoint, and from
an imagination and characterization standpoint, it's pretty damn
impressive, even in spite of kludgy narration problems.
...of course, it's still in a lot of trouble when compared to
anything by Orson Scott Card, or even Barbara Hambly.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: ...
Date & Time: 05/28/90 23:09:23
Message Number 5310
> Now it is! :)
Yes, so I see.
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From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: ///---
Date & Time: 05/29/90 02:50:36
Message Number 5311
That was a joke, Son. The John Birch society is a hyper-paranoid,
hyper-conservative organization that's centered around a blinding
hatred of the Soviet Union. They constantly publish propaganda
explaining why we are actually at war with the Reds, and why Commies
and liberals should be executed or driven out of the country. Anyway,
they are named after a U.S. soldier (John Birch) who was accidentally
killed by Soviet troops at the end of World War II; the John Birchers
claim that he was actually the first casualty of WWIII rather than
the last casulty of WWII. All in all, a remarkable bunch of
people--and I mean that in the worst possible way.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: THRUD
Subject: neckwear
Date & Time: 05/29/90 02:58:06
Message Number 5312
>jeez you can turn a fraze...
Frazers on full, Captain! We'll fry the friggin' Ferengi to
a frazzle.
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From: TURTLE
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Not God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 03:02:34
Message Number 5314
>You are sick.
That's one of my better traits, too.
--A sick Turtle
You forgot warped, perverted, bad-tempered, irritable, inconsistent,
incoherent, inattentive, unmotivated, stubborn, lazy, smug, unethical,
irreverent, anarchistic, disrespectful, obstinant, and irreligious.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 03:10:45
Message Number 5315
>...but atleast my fellow classmates...don't light themselves on fire!
No, they just engage in psychological torture and vicious, maliciously
sadistic activities for no readily apparant reason.
Don't /even/ try to out-nasty me...you know damn well what I'm talking
about.
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From: TURTLE
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 05/29/90 03:15:27
Message Number 5316
I was referring to the Rush song entitled "Xanadu," which /is/
related to the poem "Kubla Khan." (Pthpth!) The Rush song, in
addition to having a connection with the poem, is lyrically and
musically more interesting than the Olivia Newton-John song,
has higher technical production standards, and doesn't even
mention anything resembling a darned skating rink.
ONJ is prettier than Geddy Lee, though.
--A Rush Turtle
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From: TURTLE
To: -ALL USERS-
Subject: A/R
Date & Time: 05/29/90 03:21:18
Message Number 5317
Well, the system crashed *twice* yesterday (05/28), once in the wee
small hours of the morning and once again at midnight. We've survived
with the loss of only three messages; on the other hand, the system was
unavailable for several hours yesterday because of the problems.
Anyone know where I can find some RELIABLE 80-track floppy drives
cheap?? These IBM drives have /got/ to go.
--An annoyed Turtle
Now if we take this beautiful crystal goblet, and drop it from the
top of this biiiiiiig building, we'll have Alter Reality's message
base scattered all about the ground...
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From: BEATLE
To: KEN OBER
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/29/90 06:31:30
Message Number 5318
> Yes, but ST:TNG has no relation whatsoever to the original Star Trek
> books...
Where'd you get that idea? It's wrong.. WHY?? They happen in the same
universe with the same Federation, and some of the same people.
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From: BEATLE
To: RUFUS
Subject: moral
Date & Time: 05/29/90 06:35:00
Message Number 5319
Well, the movie's point (BTTF III) was about how Marty's life would be
much better since he learned not to let it bother him when someone calls
him chicken. I was thinking in a larger scale, that the Romulans do
things that provoke the Federation in that manner, and they shouldn't
act on them...
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From: BEATLE
To: RUFUS
Subject: Future III
Date & Time: 05/29/90 06:38:12
Message Number 5320
> and the wake-up juice.
I loved how the audience groaned when the saw the stuff being poured
down his throat.
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: DONTHEN
Subject: ...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 09:20:15
Message Number 5321
:)
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: Not God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 09:23:13
Message Number 5322
....YOU forgot harasshole.
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From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 09:23:54
Message Number 5323
Bastard from hell! I can out nasty you anyday...admit it. I'm a
cpmplete bitch with no heart at all. I also have no morals, right?
I am nastier than thee...ask my mum!
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
To: RUFUS
Subject: skirts
Date & Time: 05/29/90 09:35:24
Message Number 5324
Yeah, I loved that line, I've got a friend who'd I'd be /really/
nervous driving with sober... He hasn't had any practice!
"Trust me, I got an /angle/"{{
- Corwyn
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
To: RUFUS
Subject: No more skirts!
Date & Time: 05/29/90 09:38:59
Message Number 5325
I would like to see Gargamel /and/ the smurfs drowning in thier own
stupidity... (what does stupidity taste like?)
- Corwyn
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
To: DONTHEN
Subject: StarTrekkies
Date & Time: 05/29/90 09:48:14
Message Number 5326
> ...of course, it's still in a lot of trouble when compared to anything
> by Orson Scott Card, or even Barbera Hambly.
Now isn't that a little unfair, comparing any Mortal to Card? Sheesh,
Barbara Hambly ranks as a gifted-demigod herself, How can mortals
compete.
- Corwyn
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
To: TURTLE
Subject: A/R
Date & Time: 05/29/90 09:53:19
Message Number 5327
I'll pitch a 1.2Meg drive your way after the summer, If I can remember
to P'req it (Parent Request) Leaves you with a summer of IBM
manufactured Hardware hell! (Sheesh, at least I'm smart enough not to
use any of their disk drives.)
- Corwyn
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From: KEN OBER
To: BEATLE
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/29/90 13:01:46
Message Number 5330
Star Wars is also in the same universe......So is Dr. Who....They
have no plot relation, and they don't refer to one another...
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER
To: KEN OBER
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/29/90 13:50:20
Message Number 5331
Dr. Who is not in the same 'universe' the definitions of time, space,
etc are different in Dr Who, and Star Wars gives no indication of being
in the same Universe, except for the placement as "A long, long time,
ago, in a Galaxy far, far away."
What Beatle meant by 'universe' was similar to the "Marvel Universe" the
"Greyhawk Universe" etc. It's not the technical definition, but it's in
common use.
- Corwyn
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From: RUFUS
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Gadget
Date & Time: 05/29/90 15:15:17
Message Number 5332
Your weird!
Ack!
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From: RUFUS
To: BEATLE
Subject: moral
Date & Time: 05/29/90 15:20:22
Message Number 5333
>how Marty's life would be much better since he learned not to let it
>bother him when someone calls him chicken.
Oh, so this has nothing to do with ZZ Top promoting galactic peace
with their new album?
===========
From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: Once again...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 15:33:29
Message Number 5335
|No, it's not Deja Vu folks, I just took off the tail ending [he he].
I sit for a few seconds trying to assimilate the flood of
information Sam presented me. "Lesse, the golf course owner wasn't
real happy about the Harrier landing on the eigth, but I don't think he
was that angry" I mumble to myself. "What?" Sam prompts. "Nothing,
just mumbling to myself, trying to figure out who's pissed off at me."
I run through my mental list of recent assignments, crossing out all
the uneventful ones. Sam waves her hand in front of my eyes and says
"Hello, anyone in there?" I shake my head, responding with: "Oh, just
thinking. It must be IBM. They sent a nasty letter to the company
blaming me for the destruction of the only existing 986 machine, and
calling for my death. IBM is fairly nasty. I don't see how it was my
fault. Their guard /was/ the one who fired the RPG at me. And, if I
remember correctly, the dead cat was the one who traced down the stolen
merchandise to IBM. See, Cray-Sinclair had insured their prototype
computer, and IBM stole it, along with the blue prints. So I went in
to get it, and a /small/ firefight broke out. Like I said, it wasn't
me who blew up the room, and the 986." Sam looks bewildered, and
starts to ask "What's a 986?" but stops at the 'a,' hoping to avoid
further confusion. "Got any pop-tarts?" I ask.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: moral
Date & Time: 05/29/90 16:32:04
Message Number 5337
Marty went hopping all over time just to learn that it shouldn't
bother him when people call him a chicken??!! Seems like he coulda
learned THAT in the comfort and convenience of his own home! Ghods,
what's next? Marty hijacks a space shuttle to Vega to learn how to
brush his hair?
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From: TURTLE
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Not God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 16:34:57
Message Number 5338
>Bastard from hell!
Bastard from Long Beach Island, actually...
>I am nastier than thee...ask my mum!
I'm only interested in an unbiased opinion, and I don't think she'll
give me one.
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From: TURTLE
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: A/R
Date & Time: 05/29/90 16:39:11
Message Number 5339
Thanx, it'd be appreciated. Of course, I can always try to figure out
how to hook up an IEEE hard drive to a TRS-80, but I suspect that'd be
a losing proposition...I'd have to write my own hard disk driver...
- whine!* (Stomp off into distance, grumbling about IBM microfloppies...)
===========
From: BEATLE
To: KEN OBER
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/29/90 16:57:45
Message Number 5341
> they don't refer to one another...
That may be true about Star Wars and Star Trek and Dr. Who and Star
Trek, but to say Star Trek and the Next Generation can't be cross
referenced like that is stupid. They are almost one and the same. That's
the way the creators saw it: as an extension of the Trek universe. That
term universe used as a reference to a body of fictional characters and
incidents related. Such as the Star Wars universe is not the same as the
Doctor Who universe.
===========
From: BEATLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: Movies
Date & Time: 05/29/90 17:05:29
Message Number 5342
I guess no one is gonna be there...
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From: DONTHEN
To: TURTLE
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 05/29/90 20:57:21
Message Number 5343
No, the ONJ song probably has higher technical production standards; it
WAS an Electric Light Orchestra song, and even when Jeff Lynne is
recording white noise, he seems to do it in three-part harmony on
48-track digital equipment. "Rock and Roll is King" is one of the most
cheerfully useless songs I can remember, but it was produced damn well.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: StarTrekkies
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:00:50
Message Number 5344
I've only read three books by Barbara Hambly (the "Time of the Dark"
series) and they didn't impress me THAT much. They were fairly good,
but the Dark was completely unmotivated -- nebulous evil-for-evil's-sake
as an antagonist generally bothers me (Card & Tolkien can get away with
it, but they're also writing in a much more mythically-conscious way
than Hambly was), and I couldn't shake the impression that the main
character was a shadow of Hambly herself; wish-fulfillment stories, even
when well-done, make me twitch just a little. I've also grown to be
suspicious of books with the general plot skeleton of person-from-this
world-goes-into-a-high-fantasy-world-and-discovers-his/her-hidden-powers
in-a-battle-against-ultimate-evil stories; I've seen it done really well
exactly twice, once in Marion Zimmer Bradley's "House Between the
Worlds" and once in Stephen Donaldson's "Mordant's Need"--the latter of
which wasn't, actually, against ultimate evil. I also think he did it
really well in "Thomas Covenant", but I seem to be among the minority on
this BBS in believing the series' good points outweigh its problems.
Most of those problems went away in "Mordant's Need", although it wasn't
as grandly theologically metaphysically mythical as "Covenant" was (some
might say that's a change for the better, of course).
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: KEN OBER
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:08:17
Message Number 5345
> Star Wars is also in the same universe...So is Dr. Who...They have
> no plot relation and they don't refer to one another...
That's because they are not in the same universe when you are speaking
in a creative sense instead of an obstinately literal one. Technically,
none of them are in ANY universe because they're fictional. Remember?
Both "Star Trek" shows are in the same universe because they're created
by the same writer(s), share the same history, and one is supposed to
take place a few generations after the other one. Look at it this way:
Spider-Man's story is set on modern-day earth. So is the CBS sitcom
"Murphy Brown." But that alone doesn't mean they're going to be
connected in any way, shape or form; for practical purposes, they are
in different universes. Likewise, just because "Star Wars", both "Star
Trek" series, "Battlestar Galactica" and Ken Mitchroney's "Space Ark"
funny animal comic all take place in space doesn't make them in the
same universe.
As for the Star Treks, /obviously/ they have a plot relation. They
are in the same Federation, the same "universe" in any sense of the
word. Do you think "Alien" and "Aliens" had no relation and didn't
refer to one another? They are SEQUELS. Likewise, "Star Trek" and
"The Next Generation" are SEQUELS to one another, in much the same way
"Battlestar Galactica" and the decrepit "Galactica 1980" were sequels.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: RUFUS
Subject: Gadget
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:15:01
Message Number 5346
> Your weird!
> Ack!
Yes, but do you want to sleep with Gadget?
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: ALL
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:16:50
Message Number 5347
The deadline for submissions for issue #2 of MYTHAGORAS is June 14.
We are looking, especially, for artwork and any certain stories that
involve fox morphs that female BBS users talked to Mythagoras' own fox
morph, Bartholomew, about.
Stuff to look for in issue #2 that we already have: an 8-page comic
story, "Deception," by Chuck Melville; the beginning of a hard sf
serial by the mysterious mad professor, Lawrence Schoen; a fantasy
horror short, "Of the Father, Upon the Son," by Kevin Higgins; art by
Juan Alfonso, Maggie de Alarcon, Eric Blumrich and others. Other
subjects to-be-written or submitted & under consideration include a
response to Franklin Veaux's "Object-Oriented Environmentalism" from
issue #1, an article about environmentalism and animal rights as
viewed through science fiction and comics by, er, Watts Martin, and a
certain story involving fox morphs that a female BBS user talked to
Mythagoras' own fox morph, Bartholomew, about.
===========
From: RAVEN
To: RUFUS
Subject: Arnie
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:30:44
Message Number 5348
Ok. Check your e-mail. -R-
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From: RAVEN
To: TURTLE
Subject: Not God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:38:06
Message Number 5349
and let's add egotistical, opinionated, anal-retentive, antagonastic,
and irritating . . .
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From: RAVEN
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:41:38
Message Number 5350
Oh. . . You seem so sweet and inocent all the time aaaH Bulsht!
(O \
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(O /
-R-
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From: RAVEN
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Gadget
Date & Time: 05/29/90 21:48:28
Message Number 5351
Or al least have a 2 or three hour round of energetic sex.
a perverted and loving it Raven
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From: JONBOY
To: RAVEN
Subject: religion
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:07:41
Message Number 5352
Just as a thought - any change (even on a deathbed) /is/ still a
change.
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From: JONBOY
To: ANGEL
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:14:58
Message Number 5353
Sheesh did I say that?!!! Sorry - I get really fritzed trying to
banzai thru here and make sense at the same time. I get the impression
that Chip thinks I wasd referrin to him when I said no one was inter-
ested in a philosophical conversation - I gotta clear this up but first
I gotta catch up! I use the NIV which has been critically called a
"design by committe Bible, a Ryrie and the KJ versions with the
Thompson chain reference and the Schofield study systems. Alas , I
consider myself truant the last couple of years in my studies. As
a small sideline - continued reading and meditation on the Bible can
be interesting in it's own right (ie non-religious). As an example
the book of Job isn't really understood to be either factual (there
is evidence that says it is) or allegorical (plenty to belive here!).
A small interesting study is on the background of Jobs three "friends".
Their ancestry says that they probably had no love for any of Yahweh's
"chosen". So what is their true relationship and how does this affect
the general "plot"? Stuff like this interests me when I have the time
to dig around. I think a lot of people find the Bible a "hard" book.
I was really turned on to it in a new light when I took it as an
advanced Literature course (graduate level) in college.
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From: JONBOY
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
Subject: SAJW & You
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:25:37
Message Number 5354
Nahhh - the mormons teach that God lives on a planet named Kolab.
(this is serious BTW). Theye even have a small town named this in Utah
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From: JONBOY
To: DONTHEN
Subject: they're back!!!
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:28:01
Message Number 5355
Lessee - that would be a religion known as synopticism! Wasn't that
banned? Haven't I seen this script on Bullwinkle (fractured fairy
tales?)
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From: JONBOY
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:29:52
Message Number 5356
Do you have the /slightest/ idea of that which you mumble? The Mormons
are considered a cult by "mainstream" Christian groups. They have been
beating their drums for the past 150 years or so and isn't anything
new. I have no idea of where you gleaned the fact they kill their
relatives to "save" them unless you refer to their practise of research
into their family tree and baptism by proxie for those that did not
hear their beliefs here on earth.
Also: what 10 rules do you refer - the ten commandments? The entire
book of Leviticus consists of Jewish law - the 10 commandments were
the "catchy" phrases. The entire Christian belief as taught by Christ
was stated as the Golden Rule - "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself"
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Ynty...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:36:31
Message Number 5357
Sheesh - it had nothing of ther ring of "commandment" tyo it at all.
It was merely a clever way to make the Pharisee's look like the dweebs
that they were and to emphasize the spiritual nature of God. The
Pharisee's (and the Jewish culture in general) had this belief that
God's pleasure with you was directly reflected in wealth. This is
why Job's neigbors and such really figured he had done something
really terrible to be in the shape he was in (he lost it all). Jesus
was merely pointing out to the Pharisee's that Taxes had nothing to do
with the kingdom of God. Essentially the thrust was to trick Jesus into
either being a traitor (pay taxes like a good roman citizen) or a
rebel (refuse to pay tribute!). Hope this made sense,,,
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Real Pagans
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:43:04
Message Number 5358
I find it interesting that a hedonist is included in the definition
of Pagan - does this mean I can't have fun ? <snif> Is there such
an anomoly as a Pagan Christian Hedonist?
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: hack/cough
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:45:27
Message Number 5359
Jeez and I just felt silly when I ported a routine that calculkated the
values for a Chebychev thrid order filter and plotted the results on
a log-log graph to my Sinclair ZX-80!!! I admit that I used to know
most of the MACRO that comes with the 8700 and I used to code in raw
binary on the Apples.... I just called it overzealous.
===========
From: JONBOY
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Xnty...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:55:33
Message Number 5360
Like Tacos? What's your pleasure Madam?
===========
From: JONBOY
To: KEN OBER
Subject: Bungee!
Date & Time: 05/29/90 22:58:51
Message Number 5361
Kinda reminds me of the quarter I watched a guy learning Curses on UNIX
(yes to all of the unspoken questions). Net sum result as described by
my favorite prof:
"You spent all f*****g quarter learning how to make a twirly go around
the screen?"
===========
From: JONBOY
To: RAVEN
Subject: ect.
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:02:21
Message Number 5362
<hehehehe> I just got my new "Pyramid Books and New-Age Collection"
catalog in the mail... I got a real hoot out of some of the Titles.
I believe our Feminist Wiccan friend's mentor is represented within.
I'd have to go back and look.... I love seeing books that will tell
me all about the Atlanteans sexual preferences and education system
<true story 3 volumes for $11.95 a pop>. I have observed the same tho.
they just look at you - I haven't figured out if Ramtha is trying to get
thru and kickc my butt or they are thinking "crystals can cure that..."
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: telix
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:08:26
Message Number 5363
- I've* never had a problem (aside from when the board decided to
doublespace everything.)
===========
From: JONBOY
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:12:22
Message Number 5364
Wow -= I did that from morning to afternoon nothing but VAX guts strewn
all over the place - what made it really bad was studying UNIX in 2
classes and VMS in the others. Since he saw the same smiling faces in
most of the classes he was *most* liberal about carrying over info from
one to the other - worst quarter I ever had with pipes getting mixed
up with messages and mailboxes and shared resources with IPC's
and INODE's. EEeeeeeeeeyaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
===========
From: JONBOY
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
Subject: generous
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:16:50
Message Number 5365
Ronnie made references to BAC . Funny how they consulted a "New Age"
medium isn't it?
===========
From: JONBOY
To: YNGLING
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:19:22
Message Number 5366
Wow - I wish my memory was that good. We had to go thru all that in
Philosophy (stupid statement !!! Where else would you bump into
Parmenides?!!!) I really enjoyed some of the theories and ideas
put forth. Isn't Parmenides the one that asserted that if you
put your foot intop a stream, removed it and put it back - that it
was not the same stream as it was before?
===========
From: JONBOY
To: YNGLING
Subject: Doghouse
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:22:51
Message Number 5367
Mmmmm me too! I gotta be careful tho - since I quit smoking last
Thanksgiving It's been far too easy to put on Lbs!!! I'm trying to
get rid of a few right now - funny thing... I eat less, I exercise more
and I eat better (nutritious) food and I still put it on!!! I had a guy
explain that the body is trying to correct a skewed acidity (nicotine -
like most respectable poisons is an alkaloid) and this brings it about.
Hell I'm about ready to start again! Anyway - so how will I know you?
Should I jump up and shout "Ranea forever!"? Like I said - just about
every week I'm there... maybe we can drag Lady along for a real
get together - MAYBE all of the Ranea gang should invade!!!
===========
From: JONBOY
To: DONTHEN
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:34:04
Message Number 5368
C'mon, just because there is a cause and effect proposed don't mean that
it is inherently mercinary - that may well be the way things are...
Aniother pairt of glasses? The way that Christainity is stated preclude
any attempts at labelling it another attempt at understanding some
"Great Truth" that is bigger than any religion. It's either true
or it ain't. There can be questions as to the mechanism but the
underlying premise is rock-hard.
===========
From: JONBOY
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
Subject: New Subject:
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:38:18
Message Number 5369
My brain needs some Ti-d-bowl right now - let me get back to ya...
===========
From: JONBOY
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: FUCK YOU
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:41:02
Message Number 5370
Ever heard the quote on vulgarity being the last refuge of the
incompetent? Use it creatively and it becomes an aid - you simply
resort to it as an insult. Besides? Why would anyone want to wish
me such a nice thing when I've apparently been bad?
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: JW & You
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:44:45
Message Number 5371
Oh boy! Did you get like - you know /real descriptive/???
I know the type - I have on occasion met the odd JW that was so polite
and accepting of my "no thanks" that I felt prompted to invite them in
and talk about something else for a change. It's all in the persona.
Some people are born assholes and use religion as a shotgun to
spread that which was given to them at birth...
Your right - it /is/ an imperfecT world....
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: IBMs
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:47:42
Message Number 5372
Oooh OOohhh - Byte actually gave the court ammo when they came up
with a quote from the design team that the interface didn't even
have icons and such until they saw the Xerox interface and copied it/..
Talk about egg in the face!!!!
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Simple Subject
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:49:15
Message Number 5373
'Tis true - ya know if I were *really* motivated I'd have to start
with the ol' "well let's hear *your* proof of the nonexistence of
God" that can get pretty funny. But - I notice some really veiled
and outright hostilities.... Maybe the new moon...Arruuuuuu! Sorry
I can't seem to get the energy up - I gotta get to a quack - I mean
MD. (whadda synonym)
===========
From: JONBOY
To: DONTHEN
Subject: New Job?
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:53:45
Message Number 5374
wow a premier synopticizer and critic to boot! No kidding, I wish
I'd have said that...
===========
From: JONBOY
To: YNGLING
Subject: hostility
Date & Time: 05/29/90 23:56:08
Message Number 5375
<hehehe > How'd I know you were gonna say that???
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: BEATLE
Subject: Movies
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:10:01
Message Number 5376
Me if I can get transp0rt.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: C.C.A.
Subject: Question
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:14:11
Message Number 5377
I wasn't trying t0 amuse y0u
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:16:34
Message Number 5378
Y0u're a gifted eng. t00? I try n0t t0 sh0w it, th0ugh.
BTW when's the 1ast time y0u were s1apped?
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: RUFUS
Subject: skirts
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:18:39
Message Number 5379
I..10ve the dead, I...10ve the dead, yeah I... 10ve the dead, s much!
I'm in a n0sta1gic A1ice C00per m00d.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: RUFUS
Subject: Sma11 Creatures
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:22:06
Message Number 5380
I 1ike the gn0mes better than b0th, especia11y with T0m B0s1ey's
v0ice as David the Gn0me.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: DONTHEN
Subject: StarTrekkies
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:31:27
Message Number 5381
I was using the 7ft 0rc fr0m Ang1e games
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: TURTLE
Subject: Not God...
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:34:50
Message Number 5382
frustrated, and n0isy
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:38:05
Message Number 5383
And that's what I 1ikeab0ut y0u m0st (y0u kn0w why).
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: TURTLE
Subject: Not God...
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:43:24
Message Number 5384
Here's my unbiased 0pini0n.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 05/30/90 02:49:55
Message Number 5385
I'm a1m0st finished with sh0rt st0ries, w0u1d y0u 1ike them?
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: JONBOY
Subject: Hmm.
Date & Time: 05/30/90 03:03:25
Message Number 5387
Very g00d. I'm impressed. Th0ugh I didn't expect a ret0rt (vi01ent)
fr0m y0u.
Y0u've earned my ap010gy.
I am s0rry. (and Spe11wind d0esn't ap010gize t0 every0ne.)
===========
From: THRUD
To: TURTLE
Subject: neckwear
Date & Time: 05/30/90 06:30:16
Message Number 5389
blast the bastards into bits of Borg bullsh*t
I'm glad I didn't really need full brain function to reply, the
caffiene hasn't kicked in yet - it's got to give me more power, capn
===========
From: THRUD
To: DONTHEN
Subject: spidy
Date & Time: 05/30/90 06:37:11
Message Number 5390
I seem to recall reading that spiderman will be doing a guest spot
on Murphy Brown - but with a twist ending, in that he goes to bed
with Murphy, Corkey and MaryJane, but wakes up with Suzanne Pleshete
in the middle of the US Open.
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Question
Date & Time: 05/30/90 06:59:18
Message Number 5391
>I wasn't trying t0 amuse y0u.
Somehow I gathered that much.
===========
From: CRYSTAL
To: RUFUS
Subject: DWEEBS and TNG!
Date & Time: 05/30/90 12:09:42
Message Number 5392
Now I make a great french toast.
* CRYSTAL *
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: JONBOY
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/30/90 13:04:36
Message Number 5393
> The way that Christianity is stated precludes any attempts at labeling
> it another attempt at understanding some "Great Truth" that is bigger
> than any religion.
This is also true of many (most) theistic religions. Wicca isn't
supposed to be an attempt to tune into the cosmic consciousness all
religions are based on, it's just supposed to be The Truth, Q.E.D.
That doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. And, the common threads
between it and Christianity don't necessarily mean it's a "shadow" of
Christianity in some Lewis-ian sense; if it could be construed that way,
the reverse (Christianity as a Wicca shadow) could also be true.
I've also never completely bought the "well, Christianity has to be
true because its claims are so outrageous they have to be" line of
reasoning. That's a patently hokey argument if you use it to defend,
say, advertiser claims or any run-of-the-mill crackpot religion. No,
actually, I've /never/ bought it. It just doesn't hold water; by making
outrageous it's-this-or-nothing claims, it makes people pay attention to
it -- just like any other revolutionary social movement. If such claims
weren't made, it wouldn't be around today. Longevity does imply that
there's something to it, yet, but it doesn't imply that ALL its tenets
are true.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DONTHEN
Subject: StarNuttin'
Date & Time: 05/30/90 14:49:54
Message Number 5394
"House Between the Worlds" was a really good--and BIZZARE--book. It
seemed to have set out to turn a lot of the "person-from-our-world-
travels-to-another" cliches around, or at least skew them somewhat...
I /love/ the scene where the main character uses a bootleg drug to
try to transport himself to the alternate world, and ends up getting
sidetracked talking about good and evil with a brick wall...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Gadget
Date & Time: 05/30/90 14:55:09
Message Number 5395
>Yes, but do youi want to sleep with Gadget?
Is this a trick question?
===========
From: TURTLE
To: RAVEN
Subject: Not Real
Date & Time: 05/30/90 14:56:52
Message Number 5396
>and let's add egotistical, opinionated, anal-retentive, antagonistic,
>and irritating...
I am NOT anal-retentive.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: JONBOY
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/30/90 15:01:09
Message Number 5397
>The entire Christian belief as taught by Christ was stated as the
>Golden Rule - "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself."
Amend that to read "Love thy neighbor and thy planet as you love
yourself" and you'd have a more nearly adequate ethical code...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: JONBOY
Subject: VAXen as God
Date & Time: 05/30/90 15:09:02
Message Number 5398
>I did that from morning to afternoon nothing but VAX guts strewn all
>over the place...
And you're COMPLAINING??!! I have to fight, finagle, and fidgit to get
even minimal access to VAXen these days...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 05/30/90 15:14:48
Message Number 5399
>Y0u're a gifted eng. t00? I try n0t t0 sh0w it, th0ugh.
We11, n0b0dy wi11 ever accuse y0u 0f being pretenti0us, at least...
===========
From: RUFUS
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 05/30/90 17:07:25
Message Number 5401
Bartholomew (Mythagoras' own fox morph, if you didn't know) said the
deadline was sometime in July. Oh well, that's what you get when you
talk to a fox while trying to watch "Heavy Metal."
...not like I would actually submit anything, but ask Turtle about
my Fuzzy Bunny poem.
===========
From: RUFUS
To: JONBOY
Subject: SAJW & You
Date & Time: 05/30/90 17:11:12
Message Number 5402
>Nahhh - the mormons teach that God lives on a planet named Kolab.
And this planet is in the middle of the universe. And he's waiting for
a starship.
...Bill should stick to Rescue 911.
===========
From: RUFUS
To: CRYSTAL
Subject: DWEEBS and TNG!
Date & Time: 05/30/90 17:25:50
Message Number 5403
>Now I make great french toast.
> * CRYSTAL *
O.K., when's breakfast?
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: TURTLE
Subject: Gadget
Date & Time: 05/30/90 17:42:52
Message Number 5405
> > Yes, but do you want to sleep with Gadget?
> Is this a trick question?
Depends on how nicely you ask her, I suppose.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: RUFUS
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 05/30/90 17:44:40
Message Number 5406
No, it's June 14. It better damn well be OUT by some time in July.
Grr!
===========
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
To: DONTHEN
Subject: StarTrekkies
Date & Time: 05/30/90 17:59:25
Message Number 5407
I've read her "Dark Tower" "The Silicon Mage" and (hmm can't remember
the name of the last in the trilogy) but it wasn't as good as her
'Witches of Wenshar' in my book. She took the theme of a Wizard who
didn't want to be. I the first trilogy, (The Dark Tower) the evil is
quite well represented as a greedy guy who get's ahead of himself,
he's pretty powerful, but not nebulous at all. Like I said, It's hard
to think of anyone doing better than Card (for me anyway) There are
books I like, (Like the Myth-Adventures series) and there are books
which really impress me.. and they don't necessarily coincide.
Anyway.. Read her series on Sun Wolf, I've got the book club "The
unschooled wizard" which has the first two books. I'll loan it to you
sometime.
- Corwyn
===========
From: RUFUS
To: ALL
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/30/90 21:07:34
Message Number 5408
So, anyone know what's up with C of C?
===========
From: THRUD
To: ALL
Subject: accounting
Date & Time: 05/30/90 21:14:04
Message Number 5409
HELP, I'm being held prisoner by Horngren & Harrisons Accounting Text!
(class tested for accuracy) I've been trapped in my office with this
insidious beast for two hours, and I'm not sure if I should debit
my allowance for uncollectable free time or credit my lack of equity -
I certainly can't credit interest because I HAVE NONE. I'd hate to
have a negative adjusting entry to my GPA, but I'd also rather have
my head waxed by bloodsucking denubian pygmies than continue my
homework. HEAVY sigh. Well, back to reality.
A Thrud of no account
ya know, it seems like being able to hit a 250 yard tee shot would
be sufficent to make it in the business world (along with a good
spell-checker)
===========
From: KEN OBER
To: BEATLE
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/30/90 21:42:03
Message Number 5410
> To say Star Trek and the Next Generation can't be cross referenced
> like that is stupid....
But true. Name similarities besides the fact that the ship's name is
the same, the federation is similar, and they have the same, old,
dumb enemies?
===========
From: RUFUS
To: KEN OBER
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/30/90 22:48:39
Message Number 5411
>Name similarities...
The new series has reffered to old series a # of times (the 2nd
episode in the first season pops to mind. Dr. Crusher refers back to
the medical logs of the first Enterprise).
Not to mention McCoy was on the new series, as was Sarek.
I'm sure there are many more examples
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: RUFUS
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/30/90 23:22:28
Message Number 5412
Courts of Chaos moved. Turtle tells me that when he calls one of the
three new numbers Random had listed, he got diddly, but I haven't tried
it myself. Hopefully we'll all hear from Random via cheesy BBS ads in
the next few days with the new numbers and such.
===========
From: CRYSTAL
To: RUFUS
Subject: toast up
Date & Time: 05/31/90 01:20:30
Message Number 5413
>O.K., when's breakfest?
When ever you want it.
===========
From: ANGEL
To: BEATLE
Subject: watch it again
Date & Time: 05/31/90 02:36:52
Message Number 5414
Sarek wouldn't necessarily have mentioned another son in the quoted
phrase if he really hated his guts. Sarek was just listing the people
he loved. Maybe he was just in logic with Sybok.
===========
From: ANGEL
To: JONBOY
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/31/90 02:41:04
Message Number 5415
> a design by committee Bible
What version of the Bible is NOT designed by committee. It certainly
was written by committee; look at the number of authors. I'm kicking
myself as I delete part of this message ... just now realized what
KJ stood for. (I have friend who goes by the name of K.J. and I was
sure she hadn't written any inspired scripture.)
Anyway, shoot the critics who complain, a Bible that wasn't
assembled and translated by committee is suspect.
===========
From: ANGEL
To: MUSIC-LOVERS EVERYWH
Subject: encore! encore!
Date & Time: 05/31/90 03:04:33
Message Number 5417
Angel knew she was somewhat rusty on keyboard, but she wasn't use
to people, or rather unicorns, walking out in the middle of the
performance. She hoped it wasn't something she played. Perhaps the
next tune would be more appealing the crowd. "And now for my
next selection..." Angel thought she heard a groan from the corner
of the bar. Gamely ignoring the comments from the rabble, she
continued, "I'd like to sing a love song. A charming little tune
untitled 'Nonsense Written to the Boy I Thought I Loved."
If you don't want me,
Why did you tell me
That you would hold me,
That you would love me?
Whispering softly
Whispering to me.
Whispering love
You never did feel.
Hysterical tears I
Cried in the night
Have all passed away --
The pain's gone away.
Now you don't move me.
Now you can't soothe me.
Did not want me then,
Don't come to me now!
Just drop dead, beloved,
I'm free of you now.
Angel wondered when Donthen had started serving snacks, as an
olive pit hit her in the back of the head. "Critics! Aw, hell,
Xon get me a scotch. By the way, whatever 'appened -- Happened! to
that charming fox that used to frequent this establishment?"
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/31/90 03:42:50
Message Number 5418
The temp0rary number is 0n Bey0nd Cha0s. Ca11 there f0r a change.
===========
From: BEATLE
To: KEN OBER
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/31/90 06:52:42
Message Number 5419
Read Donthen's message on this subject. I can't see your reasoning, so
I'm not going to start arguing.
Why don't YOU give me proof that they're NOT in the same universe??
===========
From: BEATLE
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/31/90 06:55:02
Message Number 5420
GTE messed up. The new lines will be up later. Until then try
371-0009...
KNow what's scary? I had to go on Beyond Chaos to learn that. The only
seemingly inteligent people on there are Rocky and Snakebyte.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: ALL
Subject: .
Date & Time: 05/31/90 11:26:19
Message Number 5421
[From Xonzoff]
I get Angel her drink, picking up the miscreant olive pit and
tossing it in the trash. I don't remember serving any drinks with
olives today and the only garnishes you get with sandwiches are pickles.
Hmm.
"Don't know where Wezip is," I say when I brink the drink back.
"He was here a minute ago." I start to walk back to the bar, then pause
for a second. "Don't take Donthen too personally. Strange people keep
wandering into the bar and committing felonies; so far today he's been
questioned by yet another Guard, had somebody carrying an illegal weapon
wander in here and claim we're all illusory, and gotten the wind knocked
out of him. He really doesn't have anything against you, or pianos.
Hopefully he'll have calmed down in an hour or two." Although I don't
think he can spell 'apology,' I add silently.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: BEATLE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/31/90 13:42:04
Message Number 5423
Y0! Y0u f0rg0t me!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: RUFUS
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 05/31/90 15:06:16
Message Number 5426
Actually, DON'T ask Turtle about the Fuzzy Bunny poem. He'd really
rather not think about it...
===========
From: TURTLE
To: ANGEL
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/31/90 15:12:24
Message Number 5427
The KJ Bible itself is something of a problematic beast...it was
TRANSLATED by committee, and one that frequently took an ad-hoc
hit-or-miss approach to translation. It also doesn't help that the
KJV is in several places a third generation translation--the translators
frequently didn't have access to the Hebrew texts, and had to translate
from the Latin Vulgate bible and the Greek scriptures. (The Vulgate
itself was rife with errors, and some of 'em managed to creep into the
KJV; for example, the name of the Christian devil is not "Lucifer."
The word "Lucifer" appears only in Job and the passage in which it
appears is a study in translation error.) It also doesn't help that in a
few places the translators /deliberately/ garphled the text to avoid
offending King James...
===========
From: YNGLING
To: TURTLE
Subject: Whorf
Date & Time: 05/31/90 15:58:04
Message Number 5428
It is true...name ONE time Whorf has been involved in a brawl and hasnt
gotten his clock cleaned. I honestly can't think of one.
The Yngling
===========
From: YNGLING
To: BEATLE
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 05/31/90 16:03:27
Message Number 5429
There isnt a reason NOT to have a cloaking device, for christs sake.
The have the technology, they have the know-how, they have an erector
set.....This "science vessel" and "exploration ship" explaination is
not gonna cut it. I'm sorry, but there is no /reasonable/ explaination
for the Enterprise not to have cloaking ability.
The Yngli...(look I cloaked the last
part of my name)
===========
From: YNGLING
To: BEATLE
Subject: Whorf
Date & Time: 05/31/90 16:13:00
Message Number 5430
Whorf couldnt pop a pimple on my little sisters ass. He';s been in
more fights than anyone else on the bridge crew (who said anything
about /away/ missions - he gets his ass kicked on his own freaking
ship) and has lost them ALL.
The Yngling
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From: RUFUS
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/31/90 17:27:07
Message Number 5431
I've gotten a person, a ringing, and a "do do Doo, the number you have
reached..etc.."
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From: RUFUS
To: CRYSTAL
Subject: toast up
Date & Time: 05/31/90 17:27:45
Message Number 5432
> When ever you want it.
Gee, your very accomodating. Right now, I'm stuffed. I just ate two
porkchops, some frosting, then some cake. I tried getting the frosting
on the cake, but it didn't work. I figured that my stomach and
intestines wouldn't know the diff. But I digress.
===========
From: RUFUS
To: BEATLE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/31/90 17:31:30
Message Number 5433
>GTE messed up.
No. They never mess up. Except when the installed a dead line for my
new number. Or the time they somehow connected my line with that
of a retirement home.
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From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: Mythagoras
Date & Time: 05/31/90 17:33:11
Message Number 5434
>Actually, DON'T ask Turtle about the Fuzzy Bunny poem. He'd really
>rather not think about it...
Hurumph! There was an impromptue dramatic reading of it a few weeks
back in Journalism class. Everyone there seemed to like it. BTW, I
found "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale," the story you said was
hard to find. That library thing has several books, at least two or
three dozen.
===========
From: RUFUS
To: ALL
Subject: A Poem...
Date & Time: 05/31/90 17:37:55
Message Number 5435
And now, a dramatic typing of "The Fuzzy Bunny," the authors first
published poem.
Ahem...
There was a little bunny.
He lived by a nuclear reactor.
And he would grow and grow
and glow and glow.
Until he was a big bunny
and he ate Mr. Funny.
Soon, the townspeople asked how
Mr. Funny and a cow
had died.
Until, one night, he was eyed.
The rumor was spread
why so many were dead.
Most folks got read to run,
but Mr. Jones got his gun.
Mr. Jones saw the bunny and blew off his head.
And finally, the bunny was dead.
Thank you very much, and good day!
<exits stage right at high speed, hoping to avoid flying produce>
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From: ACAPULCO
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Incidentally,
Date & Time: 05/31/90 18:38:23
Message Number 5438
Yes, I just need to take the time to download your edited version.
Time. A commodity I'm finding less and less available. Did I tell you
InfoWorld accepted me for contract database review work? Things are
starting to look up, finally.
{Acapulco}
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From: ACAPULCO
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
Subject: Real solutions
Date & Time: 05/31/90 18:44:01
Message Number 5439
Looks like before to me... now, which verse says man was created after?
{Acapulco}
P.S.: Do you recall seeing or hearing ANYTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR to
flying pigs in Genesis? I bumped into such a discussion on PLINK, but
failed to note the source verses.
===========
From: RAVEN
To: JONBOY
Subject: religion
Date & Time: 05/31/90 19:59:02
Message Number 5441
A change on the deathbed, however, is of little signifance as it only
applies to one's last few hours, and has no bearing on how one has lived
one's life. Deathbed conversion is the ultimate form of hypocracy, as
one is denying everything one has held true, and claiming that this will
make it all better now.
I do not believe that a life-long sadist could absolve himself by merely
'converting' to a religion for the last few hours of their life.
a Hipocracy is the only mortal sin Raven
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: TURTLE
Subject: New Subject:
Date & Time: 05/31/90 20:30:36
Message Number 5442
>Does an individual...go to Hell for commiting the...sinof ignorance?
The answer to that is NO!
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/31/90 22:21:37
Message Number 5443
The temporary # is 813-371-0009.
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 05/31/90 22:24:31
Message Number 5444
No , Spe11wind, I talked to Beatle earlier, He didn' forget you.
He INTENTIONALLY left you off the "Intelligent Users List",and I have
to admit, I certain1y can onderstand where he w0u1d get reas0n too...
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: TURTLE
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 05/31/90 22:30:21
Message Number 5445
Lucifer is also used in Isaiah, I believe.
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: RUFUS
Subject: A Poem...
Date & Time: 05/31/90 22:35:45
Message Number 5446
Not fast enough...SPLAT.......SPLAT .........WHUMP!(I tried to keep
them from throwing Watermelons, mbut I couldn't stop them).
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: RAVEN
Subject: religion
Date & Time: 05/31/90 22:40:04
Message Number 5447
If the conversion is true, it matters not when it takes place, so long
as itis before the phisical death of the person.
===========
From: CORWYN OF AMBER
To: C.C.A.
Subject: religion
Date & Time: 05/31/90 23:43:32
Message Number 5448
Why the (arbitrary) point of physical death?? Seems if we /do/ have an
afterlife.. why don't they allow conversions five minutes after death..
some poeple don't get much warning, you know.
- Corwyn
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From: TREE BEARD
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: afterlife
Date & Time: 06/01/90 01:30:58
Message Number 5451
I think we are given a warnin after death, but before whatever comes
next. My mother was clinicaly dead when she was having my sister.
She relates the story of seeing herself from above, very peacefully.
But she had a great longing to be back with her daughter. So she
went away from this light that she had seen, and back into her own
body. I believe her experience to be true. She was dead for a short
time. Now you can choose to believe what you want. But I think it
was a choice she had to make. So perhaps we can't change our religious
views before death, but maybe we can postpone death for awhile.
(There is an interesting article in June '90 "Discover" on the
>the search for eternal youth< very plossible. Anyway, since this
isn't really controversial stuff, I leave the rest to the "GLOBE"...
By for now,
Tree
P.S. my sister is three years older than me. My mother made a good
desision, otherwise I might have been born an EAR MITE, or something
equally noxiouse.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: C.C.A.
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/01/90 01:48:21
Message Number 5452
We11 Mr. CCA, I must be pretty stupid t0 n0t make Mr. Beat1e's
Int. 1ist, th0ugh my IQ was tested at 180.....
-Pr0b1em- CCA
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From: SPE11WIND
To: C.C.A
Subject: Y0u
Date & Time: 06/01/90 01:53:12
Message Number 5453
What's CCA stand f0r, Cr0tchedy Christian Assh01e?
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: RUFUS
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/01/90 02:29:20
Message Number 5454
I was on Courts of Chaos earlier today -- 371-0009, just like whoever
said that, er, said. It dropped carrier on me. I always thought that
Random just had a flakey phone line; now I'm convinced he has a flakey
modem.
===========
From: DONTHEN
To: ACAPULCO
Subject: Incidentally,
Date & Time: 06/01/90 02:31:25
Message Number 5455
Well, that's good (about Infoworld, that is). I'm still looking for
some sort of permanent employment I like enough to keep permanent (the
only attempts so far have been one I didn't like enough to complete the
training on, and another that kept me two days before deciding they
wanted someone with AutoCAD experience -- the others have all been
temporary, either through Kelly Services or just running into them on my
own). Just how does one become an independent computer consultant,
anyway?...
===========
From: PSYCHE
To: C.C.A.
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/01/90 04:18:49
Message Number 5456
Supposed permanent number is 371-7022.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/01/90 15:03:11
Message Number 5457
N0W the NEW 1ine is up! (P0st in the Tavern)
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/01/90 16:09:15
Message Number 5458
>...my IQ was tested at 180.......
So was mine, in first grade.
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Y0u
Date & Time: 06/01/90 16:11:49
Message Number 5459
Actually, it came off of the cover of ca Reader's Digest. It stands for
C>astro, C>ocaine, and the A>-bomb.
(All of which I think stink.)
As to your 0's and 1's, I don't read binary.
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: PSYCHE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/01/90 16:16:46
Message Number 5460
There will be 4 lines.
only line no.2 will support anyone on 300bps. That number will
(hopefully) be 371-7231.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: YNGLING
Subject: Whorf
Date & Time: 06/01/90 18:11:23
Message Number 5464
Okay...there was an episode whose name I don't know which involved a
bunch of renegade Klingons attempting to overrun the Enterprise...Whorf
displayed admirable fighting skills there...
Of course, it /still/ doesn't really matter all that much; Kirk may have
been the best barroom brawler in the galaxy, but he was still a lous
(oops, LOUSY) starship captain. His ship was taken over, overrun,
diverted, and wrested away from him by a bunch of hippies so often
it's a miracle he wasn't court-martialed. You'd think he would have
learned not to let everyone who beams aboard his ship have access to
the auxiliary bridge...and the manual "How To Take Over the Enterprise
Without the Lech and the Pointy-Eared Fellow On the Bridge Catching On"
(in its fourth printing by the time the third season drew to a close).
--A Star Trek Turtle
===========
From: TURTLE
To: YNGLING
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 06/01/90 18:18:17
Message Number 5465
Yes, the Enterprise should have a cloaking device, for what it's worth.
Cloaking technology doesn't really seem to be all that far advanced
in the 23rd century (like I should talk...we got the Stealth bomber
that can be picked up by a ground radar installation twelve miles
away...); how often does it really seem to matter that the various
nasties are cloaked? "Captain, the Romulan ship has cloaked, but I think
I can compensate by patching the sensor system into this Ginsu
combination alpha-wave integrator and toaster oven..." Still, it'd
probably be helpful against some of the Federation's dumber opponents,
like, say, the Ferengi and Ken Ober...
--A Turtle
===========
From: TURTLE
To: RUFUS
Subject: Philip K. Dick
Date & Time: 06/01/90 18:24:29
Message Number 5466
>That library thing has several books...
Yes, but does it have movies, too? I won't go there if it doesn't
have movies. And MTV. I want my MTV.
BTW: A whole bunch of Philip K. Dick's books are back in the bookstores
again, always something that's nice to see...still can't find "A Scanner
Darkly," though.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: C.C.A.
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 06/01/90 18:28:37
Message Number 5467
>Lucifer is also used in Isaiah, I believe.
Not in the King James Version...
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From: TURTLE
To: TREE BEARD
Subject: afterlife
Date & Time: 06/01/90 18:30:13
Message Number 5468
>...but maybe we can postpone death for a while.
I don't think that's an option for people who get hit by trains and
die in similarly spectacular ways...
...isn't it /neat/ what your brain
can do when it's deprived of stimulation??
--A still-skeptical Turtle
===========
From: THE DOCTOR
To: TURTLE
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:04:11
Message Number 5469
No big thing, and it adds little to this discussion, but there are
several organisims more advanced than planaria which are asexual. There
are a number of amphibians and reptiles which are totally parthinogenic.
Every single member of the species is a female, and the exact genetic
copy of each other (the posibility of mutation exists though). This is
true of several geckos (lizards) and some newts. I don't know how they
feel about violence but they are carnivores even if they don't vote.
.....in the for what it's worth dept. (and my PhD is in Anthropology)
the mother goddess (Earth mother? Diana?) pre dates the Horned God, and
gatherers predate hunter/gatherers. (finder/collecters came before
seekers).
.
.
. rwb......carion before beef on the hoof.....
===========
From: THE DOCTOR
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:16:18
Message Number 5470
I think blacks have a right to be racists too, but whoever engages in
those activities shouldn't raise their hackles if they are called what
they are....and who was it that said that color was a race?...somewhere
in this message train someone said something like that. Blacks can have
racist attitudes towards other blacks just as easially as whites can be
racist towards other whites, right?
.
.
. rwb....I mean damn, it's a free country.....
===========
From: THE DOCTOR
To: TURTLE
Subject: FemTalk (tm)
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:21:12
Message Number 5471
Everybody has the right to be whatever they want wheather it's biggoted
or chauvanistic or whatever. It's the individuals right. No one has the
right to act on those feelings if it is going to interfear with someone
else however. Being something, and doing something are seperate concepts
We have the right to hate each other, we just can't act on it without
each others consent (same with love obviously)
.
.
. rwb.....my boundry starts and stops with me
===========
From: BLACK MAGIC
To: TURTLE
Subject: Not God...
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:46:17
Message Number 5472
This is true...this is true! :)
-The Lady
===========
From: BLACK MAGIC
To: RAVEN
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:46:55
Message Number 5473
Thanks, love! What was that all about?
-The Lady
===========
From: BLACK MAGIC
To: JONBOY
Subject: Xnty...
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:47:29
Message Number 5474
Tacos are good.
===========
From: BLACK MAGIC
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:48:39
Message Number 5475
Thanks a helluva lot! Ga-ahead, slap me. I love it.
===========
From: BLACK MAGIC
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 06/01/90 20:49:22
Message Number 5476
I know.
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: C.C.A.
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/02/90 00:48:52
Message Number 5477
3 1ines. 371-0009 his r00m mate's v0ice #
===========
From: SPE11WIND
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 06/02/90 00:54:15
Message Number 5478
0n1y if y0u s1ap me back.
===========
From: BEATLE
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/02/90 01:06:35
Message Number 5479
Alright, everyone, I have to appologize for starting some vicious
cycles here. Since Spellwind didn't make a post saying "My keyboard is
broken", I assumed that he was doing it on purpose. The numbers really
bugged me, and they persisted... I started writing yelling messages to
stop it. Bad idea. Sorry everyone.
===========
From: BEATLE
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/02/90 01:09:00
Message Number 5480
WELL, everyone! GTE got off their lazy butts and got Rocky his line.
The new number is 371-7022!! And the multi-lines will be in Monday.
Sounds like a good idea to me!
===========
From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: Whorf
Date & Time: 06/02/90 01:12:25
Message Number 5481
Have you forgotten? Kirk WAS court martialed. The episode was called
"Court Martial" as a matter of fact.
===========
From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 06/02/90 01:13:48
Message Number 5482
> dumber opponents, like, say, the Ferengi and Ken Ober...
Does this validate his theory that you hate him?? (By the way, I like
that sentence!)
> -- A Turtle
I like that too, but would you de-cloak, or ve shall havf to svoot you
down... into a nuclear wessel.
===========
From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: Whorf
Date & Time: 06/02/90 02:53:29
Message Number 5483
Have you seen the slide show on ST at Necronomicon? It's very funny.
One slide shows an enlargment of the plague on the bridge, with
instructions on how to take-over the Enterprise. Something like:
1)Get access to the aux. bridge.
2)something I forgot
3)Watch out for the pointy eared one on the bridge, he's tough.
===========
From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: Philip K. Dick
Date & Time: 06/02/90 02:56:41
Message Number 5484
>still can't find "A Scanner Darkly," though.
Wow, Zot, who's in back of me, is holding [placing book in his hand]
it in his hot little paws. Actually, the library does have some movies,
and the Anime group meets there every month.
...not to mention the magazine "American Atheist," but the librarians
keep ranting on about how Satan order them the subscription.
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: TURTLE
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 06/02/90 09:17:44
Message Number 5485
Sorry, wrong version.
I don't really trust the KJV all
that much.
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/02/90 09:22:49
Message Number 5486
It wasn't two days ago...
===========
From: C.C.A.
To: BEATLE
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 06/02/90 09:26:26
Message Number 5487
>...or ve shall hevf to svoot you down... into a nuclear wessel.
Almost.
If you are trying to emulate Chkov the quote would be more like this:
or ve shell hev to shoot shoot you down... into a nuclear wessel.
Please note some miner(get it?) changes.
I hev to go now,
A hopefully helpful C.C.A.
===========
From: RAVEN
To: JONBOY
Subject: ect.
Date & Time: 06/02/90 10:05:55
Message Number 5488
===========
From: RAVEN
To: JONBOY
Subject: Doghouse
Date & Time: 06/02/90 10:15:55
Message Number 5489
> I eat less, I excercise more and I eat better (nutritious) food and I
> still put it on!!!
Hmm. Stop eating nutritious food. Junk food is your friend. All the
preservatives will help to keep you the same. You will live forever if
you get enough junk food.
A smoking, junk food junkie Raven
Please don't hit me. No not the chair...
===========
From: RAVEN
To: TURTLE
Subject: Not Real
Date & Time: 06/02/90 10:27:53
Message Number 5490
> I am NOT anal-retentive.
Ok, I apologise. You are no more anal-retentive than Bart is.
-R-
===========
From: RAVEN
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: StarTrekkies
Date & Time: 06/02/90 10:33:37
Message Number 5491
From Barbara, who is looking over my shoulder : "That's because there is
no trilogy, you twit"
An ardent fan of Darkmage Barbara.
===========
From: RAVEN
To: C.C.A.
Subject: religion
Date & Time: 06/02/90 10:46:40
Message Number 5492
See my last messages on this thread and reread them.
===========
From: RAVEN
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: cca
Date & Time: 06/02/90 10:49:05
Message Number 5493
I think the first letter stands for conservative.
===========
From: RAVEN
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: God...
Date & Time: 06/02/90 10:56:37
Message Number 5494
Well, there was supposed to be a big face w. an evil grin, but this
software eats backslashes.
(O )
)
(O )
-R-
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: Worf? Where?
Date & Time: 06/02/90 14:51:28
Message Number 5495
>Have you forgotten? Kirk WAS court martialed.
Yes, but for the wrong reasons--and he was acquitted. Kirk should
by all rights have been court-martialled for gross incompetence and
negligence...and for breaking the Prime Directive, several times...
and for recklessly endangering his ship and his crew, several times...
and for using a Federation Starship for personal ends (Amok Time)...
Kirk may have been good at fighting and laying, but as a starship
captain he was lousy.
===========
From: TURTLE
To: BEATLE
Subject: ST & ST:TNG
Date & Time: 06/02/90 14:55:06
Message Number 5496
--A Turtle
.
.
.
.
.
.:.
>I like that too...b.**/*:ld you please de-cloak...or ve shall have to
>svoot you down...***%*#**"%*$r wessel...
HA! Go ahead, TRY to shoot me down, I /dare/ you! I've just crippled
a verb phrase and a prepositional phrase with ONE SHOT. HA!
===========
From: TURTLE
To: C.C.A.
Subject: Advertise here!
Date & Time: 06/02/90 14:59:26
Message Number 5497
>I don't really trust the KJV all
>that much.
That's because it's a Godawful bad translation. I don't think there
are /any/ translations of the Bible other than the KJV and its
offspring that mention Lucifer, though...that would be totally
against the entire Hebrew belief system. The ancient Hebrews believed
that to know a thing's name is to have power over that thing (hence
God asks Adam to name all his earthly creations, thereby giving Adam
power over them); to know the name of God or Satan is to claim to have
power over them, which is blasphemy.
"Lucifer" is Latin for "light giver," and is the Latin name for the
Eastern Star. That particular word is an artifact of the Vulgate
Bible and no analog of it can be found in any older document. (Think
about it..."Lucifer" is not a Hebrew name by a long shot!)
===========
From: TURTLE
To: RAVEN
Subject: ect.
Date & Time: 06/02/90 15:05:42
Message Number 5499
>Pseudo science, the wave of the doomed.
Ignorance never goes out of style. It was the fashion yesterday, it's
the trend today, and it will set the pace tomorrow.
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TREE BEARD
Subject: skirts III
Date & Time: 06/02/90 21:46:09
Message Number 5501
Unfortunately - the world will judge your intelligence (perceived of
course) by what they see of you. It's not right but it IS the way
of the world.. I see this every day with a young guy we have. He's
sharp and has a better than average brain but his spelling is the shits.
Therefor people judge him by that... Moral? Work at it a little
harder - anyone that reads 3 books a day should have a better idea
of the way those books are assembled.
JonBoy
===========
From: JONBOY
To: ANGEL
Subject: Vulgarity
Date & Time: 06/02/90 21:52:07
Message Number 5502
Now now - don't get your hopes up...
===========
From: JONBOY
To: SPELLWIND
Subject: Richard Nixon
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:00:48
Message Number 5504
You know who I'm surprised no one bashes? LBJ was the crookedest SOB
to EVER walk in the White House - next comes Lincoln with his personal
civil, and editorial rights violations...
===========
From: JONBOY
To: RUFUS
Subject: abuse
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:08:12
Message Number 5505
I live in Bradenton - I'd prefer (because of my schedule (or lack there
of) for you to leave a message on my machine at work - hell for the next
day if it comes to that. I'm flexible -- 355-9761 ext 2029
===========
From: JONBOY
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:16:38
Message Number 5506
#1 - I happen to be *extremely* busy at this time. I've rapped with
Turtle about how hard it is to keep up when the stuff is flying fast
and furious and I can't get on the board for a couple of days. If
this is "running" from the issues - sorry for the perception but I
have a hell of a lot of programming to do at work (some even at home).
#2 - Ok lemme ask you this: What sort of "proof" or "support" are
you looking for? What would you accept?
* A deep fried JonBoy
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Small fib
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:23:35
Message Number 5507
Now that's a small fib Turtle - I used to smoke and my drive heads
were glued together with some nasty gunky brown shit that actually
stuck to the media.
* A reformed JonBoy
Actually - he has a point - smokers are being browbeaten for what is
essentially a right on their part. I was always a considerate smoker
in that I was careful WHEN I smoked and made sure that it did not
go around anyone that didn't smoke.
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: PARTY!!!
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:28:00
Message Number 5508
Hell - I've got it! We can reserve Turtle Beach - we had a company
party there not too long ago and you must admit it is appropos.
===========
From: JONBOY
To: BEATLE
Subject: Movies
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:29:34
Message Number 5509
Count me in!!! Where is this theatre??
===========
From: JONBOY
To: DONTHEN
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:37:58
Message Number 5510
Isn't that what 'A' for abort is for?
===========
From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Poem
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:40:26
Message Number 5511
I was wondering if you *really* had said that about Olivia - jeez I'm
so relieved to hear it was Rush (even tho I find the lead-singer
tirsome to listen to for long - kinda reminds me of a group known
as White Witch).
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From: JONBOY
To: CORWYN OF AMBER
Subject: Orson Scott Car
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:43:37
Message Number 5512
I bought a book the other day - it looked like a sequel to "A Planet
Called Treason" (One of my favorites of all time!) - the dirty bastard
decided that he was a better writer now and rewrote the damned thing!
I'm pissed!
An OSC fan (maybe) JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: Complete
Date & Time: 06/02/90 22:58:02
Message Number 5513
No , think about it... the planet as an abode for your neighbor would
require care and concern on your part not to screw it up. The Golden
Rule obtains it's power from it's elegant simplicity.
JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: TURTLE
Subject: VAXen as God
Date & Time: 06/02/90 23:00:09
Message Number 5514
Nahh what's that Joni Mitchell song "you never know what you got till
it's gone...". I *liked* writing realtime and interprocess communica-
tions code on the VAX's - we never could get our routines to work
across the network with different OS's tho - not enuf time and Ultrix
is so freewheeling but stashes everything for later (buffered I/O) and
VMS is such a damned nazi when it comes to resources... hell <snif>
I *miss* school!!!!
An Alma-mattered JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: ANGEL
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 06/02/90 23:05:40
Message Number 5515
I was sold on the fact that it used the latest texts and was cross-
referenced to keep secular influences OUT. Now I understand that
there's an even newer version that is actually modified KJ in language
(which is beautiful in it descriptiveness) and has some other claims to
fame - I'll have to peek at one just out of curiosity. Amazing that
after all these centuries it is still THE premier book.
JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: RAVEN
Subject: religion
Date & Time: 06/02/90 23:11:08
Message Number 5516
Actually - It doesn't really matter WHAT you think - you and I are not
in a position to determine the sincerity of the persons belief or in
fact anything about the person. The traditional Christian viewpoint
that even many Christians have trouble understanding is that grace
and absolution of sins really is free. I have heard more people grumbel
that "such and such" couldn't possibly deserve it and couldn't possibly
get it at the last minute like that - wrong! It is a free gift so why
begrudge it to someone else? It doesn't affect you so ditto. Matter
of fact - the whole process is not dependant on anyone except that
individual and Jesus. Kinda like complaining that since your
neighbor is a jerk flowers should die in his flowerbed...
JonBoy
(no that is not non-sequitar)
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From: JONBOY
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/02/90 23:18:18
Message Number 5517
I *really* hate pompous idiots like yourself... You would be an
international phenomenon to have tested that high - besides - which
scale? Which test? I must say candidly that I don't believe you!
Buckminster Fuller wasn't that high, Leonardo Da Vinci was estimated
as the highest IQ of all time at 220.
Now - IQ has never been correlated to ANYTHING significant! This
is through extensive MENSA and psychological research. I belong
to MENSA but would be the last to say that my IQ qualifies me for
anything....
grumble mumble-.,./,./ JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Comnputer Consu
Date & Time: 06/02/90 23:23:45
Message Number 5518
>How does one become an independant computer consultant, anyway?...
By hanging out your shingle and pronouncing to the world at large:
"I know my shit! - Pay me big bucks." The tough part is proving it.
JonBoy
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From: DONTHEN
To: JONBOY
Subject: Arfritis
Date & Time: 06/02/90 23:59:33
Message Number 5519
Grrrrr! Yip! Yip! Woof! Yip!
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From: DONTHEN
To: JONBOY
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 06/03/90 00:02:21
Message Number 5520
Aborting a message only lets you take back something before anyone else
has seen it. If you've already put your foot in it and people are
jumping on your ass -- either because they don't agree with your point
or because you phrased your point in a way that pissed them off,
intentionally or not -- it's too late to abort the message; you're
either stuck defending the point you made badly (or even defending a
point you didn't mean to make at all), apologizing, or trying to find a
way to back away from the stance without apologizing, like, "Gosh, how
could you all take that so seriously" or "It's so nice to see my trick
of getting conversation going again worked." This, of course, can piss
people as much as the original message did.
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: RUFUS
Subject: A Poem...
Date & Time: 06/03/90 00:46:28
Message Number 5521
The creak of the floor could be heard from a distance away as all the
famous authors and critics who had passed away, had come back to life
to claim another poet(?) for thier lunch........
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: THE DOCTOR
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 00:49:25
Message Number 5522
Okay, I still don't get it? Which was the hunter/gatherer, the
chicken or the egg????
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: THE DOCTOR
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 00:51:00
Message Number 5523
I prefer the attitude that the 'human' race is the one to be
racist about. We all s*ck the big one. This planet would be
better off with us around, or would the cockroaches and rats
take over?????
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: THE DOCTOR
Subject: FemTalk (tm)
Date & Time: 06/03/90 00:53:08
Message Number 5524
Would you agree that if WHAT you are affects WHAT I am, then I should
have the right to ACT upon it? If WHAT you are has no bearing on HOW
you ACT/INTERACT with society, then WHAT you are is HIDING in a
closet (or somewhere). The gays down the road didn't ask if they could
make-out in thier front yard while I'm riding my kids past on thier
bikes, but WHY can't I act upon it? The guys down the road don't have
to explain to my kids what's going on down there...I DO!!!
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: CHIP P. UNICORN
Subject: Griffin dormant
Date & Time: 06/03/90 00:58:49
Message Number 5525
You've got friends????
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: RUFUS
Subject: Griffin dormant
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:00:44
Message Number 5526
At time like this, you should remember to climb a tree, cut the
soles off of your shoes and learn how to play the flute.
(oops, stole that from Fireside Theatre....sorry)
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: ACAPULCO
Subject: Incidentally,
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:03:29
Message Number 5527
InfoWorld?????? Congrat's.......wow.....it's like the Enquirer of
computer rags. Nawwwwww, just kiddin'. Really sounds good. Wish ya
luck.........sssssssSNAKEBYTE . .
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: DONTHEN
Subject: Incidentally,
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:05:44
Message Number 5528
If you did have AutoCAD experience (and I mean a lot), I could of
lined you up with someone in Atlanta that needs someone REAL bad and]
they're willing to pay in the 50's. I just hate Atlanta...yuck.
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: YNGLING
Subject: Volvos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:10:30
Message Number 5529
"knockin' me out with those American thighs...."
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: BEATLE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:19:02
Message Number 5531
>seemingly inteligent people......
I guess I can take that as a compliment......Beyond Chaos is a newly
birthed board and I'm there to see if it grows or becomes a still-born.
It's not hard to have some 'trash' ruin a board REAL fast.
(BTW-still up for a B'town Rally?? not REAL soon, but sometime....)
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: RUFUS
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:22:24
Message Number 5532
Last time I was able to get on to CC was May 26th. I was still
using the old number. My speaker's about shot on my modem, so it's
hard to tell what I'm getting bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BUSY
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:26:29
Message Number 5533
>tested at 180......
wow, must be hard to write when you're goin' that fast.....
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: C.C.A.
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:28:01
Message Number 5534
The tests used to determine IQ are gaged to whatever age you are testing
It is not likely that an IQ will change much over someone's lifetime.
It is a measure of how well you can learn and how well you will retain
it....it is not a quantitative measure of knowledge as you may be
implying. I know people with high-100's IQs that couldn't get a
spark plug out of their car if their life depended on it.
"Those of you who think you know everything are really
annoying to those of us who do....."
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From: SNAKEBYTE
To: BEATLE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:32:44
Message Number 5535
1t'5 n1ce t0 5ee 50me0ne adm1t 0pen1y when a m15take ha5 been d0ne...
5555555555nakebyte
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From: SPE11WIND
To: JONBOY
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:49:22
Message Number 5536
MENSA is just a gr0up f0r sn0bbish geniuses. Just because y0u're smar
ter, y0u sh0udn't make y0rse1ves seem better. F0r instance, I have a
g00d brain, but I'm sh0rt and n0t g00d in any sp0rt. I'm sure y0u have
fau1ts, t00. I'm a high sch001 dr0p0ut(th0ugh I started 0ff bad in 8th
grade), and I was tested at 180
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From: SPE11WIND
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 01:55:01
Message Number 5537
I think we (humans) sh0u1d c0exist with a11 creatures. I'm n0t a
big fan 0f science and techn010gy (th0ugh I have an Amiga). I w0u1d
rather we revert back t0 the way we were bef0re what we are destr0ys us.
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From: ANGEL
To: TURTLE
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 06/03/90 02:16:12
Message Number 5538
Yes, lots of problems with the KJ translations. But considering the
times and the limited amount of time allotted the committee, they
did tolerably well. Despite many flaws in accuracy, in my opinion
it's still the most beautiful translation available in the English
language (that's from a literary standpoint). I have problems
reading many of the contemporary translations. I guess I'm old-
fashioned, but I don't really want to read that Mary was preggers,
I prefer her being 'with child'.
What really irks me are the churches that use the paraphrased
Bibles as their main texts. All the generations of scholarly
research to try to get the most accurate translations ... and some
bozos come along and paraphrase it any old way they want just to
make 'their' interpretation the ONLY one. And generally these are
the same churches that preach the Bible is 100% accurate and
infallible and handed down directly from God. Argggh!
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From: ANGEL
To: THE DOCTOR
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 02:33:09
Message Number 5539
> several organisms more advanced than planaria that are asexual
I know, I've dated several.
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From: ANGEL
To: THE DOCTOR
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 02:34:26
Message Number 5540
> rwb....I mean damn, it's a free country.....
There's something I've meaning to ask you.... What the heck does
rwb stand for?
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From: ANGEL
To: JONBOY
Subject: Mitchell
Date & Time: 06/03/90 02:47:30
Message Number 5541
The Joni Mitchell song is "Big Yellow Taxi".
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From: ANGEL
To: DONTHEN
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 06/03/90 02:56:09
Message Number 5542
I find it interesting that your third choice re:controversial posts
is the only one you say will 'piss people as much as the original
message."
Seems that point one (defending your position) is pointless after
three rounds... worse, it's BORING and people get tired of it. Point
two, apologizing, would be hypocritical if you truly believed in your
original message. This might not piss-off people who like to be
kow-towed to, but hypocrisy from a friend I find unacceptable and
insulting. Choice three is trying to get past the unpleasantness
with good spirits. Would you truly prefer arguements with no
resolution to continue escalating?
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From: TREE BEARD
To: TURTLE
Subject: afterlife
Date & Time: 06/03/90 03:30:53
Message Number 5543
You are correct... not all death is can be postponed. But I was not
refering to tramatic deaths. A cardiac arrest is tramatic, but it
is not do to unforseable circumstances. Nor does it usually have any
thing to do with massive hemoraging. Nearly all deaths are directly
related to the heart stopping. The only death I can not think of
that is not caused by the heart stopping in some way or another
is a severe head trauma. Anyway, our mind can control our involentary
muscles such as the heart, the diaphram ect. Studies in biofeedback
have shown that our mind can do many things... yes it is
> /neat/
what our brain can do. So, if we can control those muscles in a
relaxed situation, why couldn't we control them when our bodies are
dead, but our brain is still barely functioning. Who knows what our
brain is capable of doing. Most people don't even use 75% of their
brain, so who is to say what we can a can't do.
One thing we can do to postpone death is not to step out in front of
an onrushing train!
Skeptical but not pessomistic
Tree
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From: TREE BEARD
To: JONBOY
Subject: skirts III
Date & Time: 06/03/90 03:44:21
Message Number 5544
I meant 3 books a week. But that aside, when I read a book, I do
not look at the individual letters, or even the individual words for
the most part. Rather I look at groups of words, sometimes whole
sentences. Even then, I am looking for concepts and Ideas. Syntax
is important to be sure. But when one reads quite a bit and writes
rarely, one tends to overlook things like spelling.
By the way, the only valid IQ tests deal only in symbols... universal
symbols. People should not judge other people by how they speak, if
the people who are judging do not know the people language who they
are judging, then it would not matter how inteligent the person was,
the person would sound like a gibbering idiot. Use of Language is
not a valid indication of IQ. But I agree that it can help get an
Idea across.
Spelling Tree
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From: SPE11WIND
To: ANGEL
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 06/03/90 04:01:44
Message Number 5545
Ekk1esea(sp?) greek. 0r hebrew. 0r s0mething. means assemb1y. referred
t0 as church...
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From: JONBOY
To: RAVEN
Subject: ect.
Date & Time: 06/03/90 08:24:04
Message Number 5549
I agree, some of it *sounds* pretty weird. Like there are several books
listed that purport to be "messages" from a "wise, kind, loving etc ad
nauseum" race that live "in the future/past/galaxy/alternate universe"
that want to show us the way. The "message" is usually received by
telepathy which I guess is still more *respectable* than channelling.
Lemme see - oh yeah one race is cat people (morphs!!!), another kinda
resembles the Mayans but are "much older" - sheesh.
Some other strange reading is to be had if you pusue Kabbalism. I got
interested in the allegation that when Christ impressed the Rabbis at
the age of 12 he was indoctrinated into the Essene sect. Now the Essene
sect are known as the Jewish Mystics and Tarot cards, and Kabbalism
(orders of like - The Golden Dawn) claim to be related and descended
from the Essenes plus teachings that are far older than recorded
Hebrew faith. Anyway - you wanna see some strange stuff about treading
the universe in the spacecraft of your imagination - it's all there.
JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: DONTHEN
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 06/03/90 08:44:32
Message Number 5550
This is true - I thought you were referring to those messages that
had one kind of vibes at the top and by the bottom had run outta steam
and the tone is now flabby. Like "maybe I was a little strident so
I'll chill out". Wimp!
JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: Incidentally,
Date & Time: 06/03/90 08:48:20
Message Number 5551
Not to mention the
'50's' barely gets it in Atlanta unless you commute 50 miles. Getting
as bad as San Francisco.
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From: JONBOY
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 08:51:44
Message Number 5552
Screeeeetttttttccccchhhhhhhhhhh! Slam on the brakes whoa!!!!
#1 - While there may well be "snobbish geniuses" in MENSA, that is NOT
what it is for. It is simply a social forum for intelligent people
along with some research into IQ and the gifted plus some work
with young people (like in school).
#2 - I seem to recall that I stated my IQ did not qualify me for DIDDLY
except MENSA membership. My common sense, wit, panache and general
aura of benevolent charisma is what qualifies me as "better".
#3 - being short and not good at any sports hardly qualifies as faults.
They are simply conditions that shaped your life in ways that
reflect *your* perception of yourself and *your* attitude towards
coping with life.
#4 - Dropping out of High School was a decision on your part that is
a direct indicator of a lack of common sense on your part - and
frankly puzzles me in a discussion on IQ.
The whole intent of my message was simply to state my belief that the
figure of "180 IQ" was:
A) Some really weird test that gives outrageous numbers to stroke your
ego. (let's see... if I use pi as a multiplier does that give it the
blessings of the ancient Greeks?)
B) You made it up to try and impress/intimidate someone. Bad course of
action on a board where most of the denizens really are of a higher
mental calibre than J.Q. Public.
JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: ANGEL
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 06/03/90 09:07:48
Message Number 5553
I sincerely hope that Turtle gets off his butt and starts the Best of
Altered soon or I will have to volunteer. That line about Mary deserves
to be in it... I think the whole idea behind the paraphrased Bibles is
for people that complain about how hard the language is and how they
can't understand it. These are the Pablum Christians that are waiting
for someone to spoon-feed them what they should believe. This is how
jerks like Bakker get into power and unfortunately tragedies like
Jonestown happen. The Bible is one of those books that has to be read
in the context of what you are trying to get out of it. You wanna read
a story - there are a lot of pretty good ones - some pretty racy. Take
, for example, after the flight from Sodom & Gomorrah and Lot's wife
was turned into a pillar of salt. I will leave it an an exercise to
the interested to read what Lot's daughters decided about dear old dad.
Remember that they are a product of the environment of Sodom & Gomorrah
JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: ANGEL
Subject: Mitchell
Date & Time: 06/03/90 09:17:21
Message Number 5554
I knew that! Who could ever forget it? Her voice, the tune, the words
they all met in celestial harmony!!! Well.... maybe it was just a good
song. Heheh... Seriously - I still confuse it with the song by Harry
Chapin (now THERE's a guy I miss!!!). There's a new guy from Ireland
(Luka Bloom) that plays a mean 12 string (my instrument of choice)
that is a pretty good bard - but I do miss Chapin.
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From: JONBOY
To: TREE BEARD
Subject: skirts III
Date & Time: 06/03/90 09:24:46
Message Number 5555
I beg to differ sir. Why do you think that it apparent to all on this
board? Reading is fundamentally an exercise in pattern matching. If
the pattern is flawed then the reading process is interrupted while the
offending bit of ink gets studied an extra millisecond or so. To do
this - the brain calls on higher level functions and thus it is "noticed
If what you say is true - you don't notice - then your lower level
functions are either in control totally , in which case they should be
sent to Siberia to do time for their impudence - or the higher functions
are playing golf/looking at pretty girls and should be locked in a
closet with an abacus and not let out until they have computed pi to
the 90'th decimal place.
All recognized IQ tests have MOSTLY symbolism as the vehicle. MENSA
even goes to the extent to give you at least 2 supervised tests one of
which (in my case ) was British - I guess to measure what effect
cultural differences made in the administering of the test.
JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
To: BLACK MAGIC
Subject: Get together
Date & Time: 06/03/90 09:39:58
Message Number 5556
Hey Lady! Why don't you give me a call at work - 355-9761 extension
2029. If I'm not there my digital mail can take a number to call you
back on. It's kind of difficult to break the ice sometimes - this
board is tuff because of the handles. Anyway - I would just like to
do something that interests us both. I'd be just as happy going for a
bike ride as anything. Tacos are just a very informal thing that I do
on Wednesdays after a hard day at work. The time varies depending on
when I decide I've had enuf! I don't know if you like to drink, or even
if you are old enough to drink (legally that is - and I personally
think that it's stupid). Anyway I like doing most things except
dancing - mostly because I never learned (I was always in the band or
rapping with them). I like going to any kind of museum or art gallery,
I like to walk/hike/camp out, bike ride/sunday drive, I even like
to (careful - don't faint!) to go shopping. All I really need to know
is when where and what. Oh yeah - Monday night is Buffalo Wings nite!
We usually look like jackals at a carcass on the Serengeti when we do
wings so it's not for the faint of heart!
Jon
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From: BEATLE
To: TURTLE
Subject: Worf? Where?
Date & Time: 06/03/90 11:31:52
Message Number 5557
> (Amok Time)
Ah, but Kirk got off easy there. Right after he hijacked the ship to
Vulcan, they said he could divert. Maybe he would just stretch it a bit
and say he waited for the response... Anyway, T'Pau might have had
something to say the the Federation if Kirk WAS court martialed.
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From: BEATLE
To: JONBOY
Subject: Movies
Date & Time: 06/03/90 11:40:59
Message Number 5558
Litchfield Cinemas in on Cortez Road in Bradenton. From US 41, it's
out towards the beaches.
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From: BEATLE
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 11:46:05
Message Number 5559
> still up for a B'town Rally??
Yeah! I actually can't wait. I want to do it RIGHT this time. And get
some revenge against people who like to blame others for mistakes made
by the whole team...(Siesta Key-ha!!)
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From: BEATLE
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 11:48:57
Message Number 5560
>5555555555nakebyte
PLEASE! Don't do that unless you have a problem with your keyboard!
It's /really annoying/...
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From: TREE BEARD
To: JONBOY
Subject: skirts III
Date & Time: 06/03/90 12:33:00
Message Number 5562
Pattern matching, hmmmm. Correct, i'm sure you are right. But
the fact is, I am an artist. If I were to look at each individual
brush stroke every time I looked at one of my paintings, I would never
get finished. This is not to say that It does not take a long time
to do a piece of art, because it does. Now as to how this relates to
what you were speaking of, the fact is that most artist start with
broad, bold strokes. They try not to limit themselves until the very
end of the picture. Now, that is not to say that our higher brains
are out to lunch, but it does mean that both conscience, and un-
conscience parts of the brain are working in tandem. Many people
deny their sub (not un)conscience completely. And many criminals,
habitual drug users ect. deny there conscience or upper brain level
functions. Now, when I read a book, I let both my conscience and
subconscience absorb the words. (and or patterns which are actually
SYMBOLS) Now think of your brain as a spellchecker on Word Perfect.
Suppose you were typing along at a furiouse pase. Now this typing
is actually the relating of a thought. Spellchecker is trying to
keep up with you. It could not possibly, as you said the brain
slows down and tries to call on a higher brain function. But the
higher brain says "Wait Im trying to think about my own thought here
(the sentence), leave me alone, well do lunch or something), so the
brain merrily passes over the misspelling and continues to type out
the Idea. Ahhh, now we get to a period, the brain says hold on, I
have time for a Ham and Cheese sandwich, maybe I'll check my spelling!
Nahh, my Ideas are to important, I have to get them out of my head
before they fragment! Now this, I believe is why I have trouble
spelling, and why it does not bother me if someone else is a poor
speller! Perhaps you did hit on something when you mentioned a
culteral difference. Spelling and use of word could be directly related
to ones culture. Not a new thought!
Tree
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From: DONTHEN
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: Incidentally,
Date & Time: 06/03/90 13:33:30
Message Number 5563
Ah well, I *don't* have a lot of AutoCAD experience. I'm a fast learner
but Performance Computers wasn't willing to train (even odder when you
consider all they really wanted me to know how to do was install the
program in the field).
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From: DONTHEN
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 13:35:49
Message Number 5564
Co-existing with all creatures and co-existing with science and
technology are not mutually exclusive options. "What we are" cannot
destroy us any more than a dolphin's dolphin-ness can destroy the race
of dolphins, and reverting back to pre-technological days (assuming this
is what you're implying) will not help things. After all, we weren't
aware of how badly things were going for the planet until we had enough
scientific knowledge to learn the damage we were doing to the biosphere,
and until fairly recently, we didn't have the technology to reverse it.
If the planet had the same population level it does now -- or even the
same population level it had in, say, the '50s -- and we had the same
- knowledge* level that we had before the industrial revolution -- well,
we probably wouldn't have made it to the '90s to begin with. What can
destroy us is "what we do."
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From: DONTHEN
To: ANGEL
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 06/03/90 13:42:56
Message Number 5565
I've seen debates (not necessarily on this BBS) where people end up
saying things they don't really agree with because they start feeling
defensive; this usually happens because they jumped into an discussion
in a way that immediately turned it into an argument. Sometimes
apologizing for what has been said is the most logical option, but it's
one that almost nobody ever takes. Also, as I (think I) said, the
apology may well be for the way the point was made, not for the point
itself; a lot of people would rather duck the issue with a "gosh, I was
just kidding" type line than say, "I guess I said that a little too
strongly, and I'm sorry about that."
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From: DONTHEN
To: JONBOY
Subject: substitutions
Date & Time: 06/03/90 13:51:53
Message Number 5566
> ...Like "maybe I was a little strident so I'll chill out".
I've seen some of those; I think it's generally better to erase the
entire message and start over if you get to that point, assuming you
think the point is worth saving. It is very easy to be over-strident
in debates, especially, it seems, in BBS debates. This might be because
you can't gauge how others involved are reacting to what you say while
you're saying it, and it's very easy to post long stretches of purple
prose passionately defending your point when nobody can stop you in
process to say, "you're going overboard here." Despite the fact that
you have a lot longer to compose responses, it is paradoxically a lot
easier to put one's paw in one's mouth on a BBS, too -- and, it seems,
a lot harder to remove it.,
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From: TURTLE
To: JONBOY
Subject: Richard Nixon
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:09:16
Message Number 5567
>LBJ was the crookedest SOB to EVER walk into the White House...
And let us not forget Ronnie Raygun--while he wasn't terribly corrupt
himself, he turned such a blind eye to the goings-on in his government
that we ended up with blatant, rampant corruption in every level of
the bureaucracy. It's hard to say which is more distressing--the fact
that the corruption existed on such an enormous scale or the fact
that everyone was so relaxed about enforcing minimal standards that
nobody even bothered trying to hide it.
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From: TURTLE
To: JONBOY
Subject: Small fib
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:16:02
Message Number 5568
>...smokers are being browbeaten for what is essentially a right on
>their part.
I could, of course, point out that one could argue smokers don't have a
/right/ to smoke any more than heroin junkies have a /right/ to shoot
up; smoking is simply a more tolerated form of self-abuse (but one that
can be regulated just as easily as any other form of recreational drug
use). But, since I really don't want to open that particular can of
flames, I won't.
--A tactful Turtle
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From: TURTLE
To: JONBOY
Subject: PARTY!!!
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:19:26
Message Number 5569
>We can reserve Turtle Beach...
The problem with Turtle Beach is the abundance of sand coupled with
the lack of video equipment. While it's somehow appropriate, I'm not
sure how successful a beach Furry Party would be...
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From: TURTLE
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:38:10
Message Number 5570
>This planet would be better off with[out] us around, or would the
>cockroaches and rats take over?????
Humanity won't last forever; eventually the world will in fact be free
of us, and will probably get along quite nicely. We may take a good deal
of the indigent life on this planet when we go, but that's no biggie;
mass extinction is nothing new (no land animal with a body mass of over
about 13 kg or so survived the dinosaurs...) We may also physically
destroy the planet itself, but that's unlikely, and in any event is
a risk any planet runs anyway...we may work out our differences and
get splattered into eternity by a rogue asteroid (just like in the video
game). No big deal; just wait around long enough and you'll get your
wish.
--A fatalistic Turtle
Wait around long enough after that and you'll get to see the heat death
of the entire universe...
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From: TURTLE
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: FemTalk (tm)
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:42:36
Message Number 5571
>The guys down the road don't have to explain to my kids what's going
>on down there...I DO!!!
So what's your point? Are you trying to put that forward as a reason
to limit their (the guys down the street) activities? Sooner or later
your kids will be exposed to that sort of behavior no matter what you
do, and I for one have never bought the "We must protect our children!"
argument. Is your argument really "I want to protect my childern," or
is it "I'm uncomfortable with this idea and would rather be able to
ignore it than to be forced to answer questions about it"?
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From: TURTLE
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: IQ & Courts...
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:46:47
Message Number 5572
>It is not likely that an IQ will change much over someone's lifetime.
That's not true; while that's the way the theory goes, it seems that
the younger the testee the more likely he is to get a higher score. My
IQ was tested at around 150 when I was in 1st grade and at 132 in
junior high...figure at that rate it should be about 76 now (applying
statistical formulae upon those two points, of course). I am inherently
distrustful of IQ tests in general and all the claims people make about
their stability and relevance to anything in particular.
--A Turtle who's slippin' fast...
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From: TURTLE
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:51:40
Message Number 5573
>I w0uld rather we revert back t0 the way we were bef0re what we are
>destr0ys us.
Um...you can't feed 4 billion people without technology, dude. You wanna
see death and destruction on a wide scale, try going back to "the way
we were"...
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From: TURTLE
To: TREE BEARD
Subject: afterlife
Date & Time: 06/03/90 14:57:07
Message Number 5574
>We can control the muscles of the heart...
Not if the heart has stopped functioning because its blood supply has
been cut off, which is the root cause of most heart attacks to begin
with. Once the muscle starts dying, you can't expect it to respond to
commands from your brain very well any more.
>Most people don't use 75% of their brains...
I /HATE/ that!!! I see it everywhere, and I HATE when people say that!
It sounds neat, but it just plain isn't true. That statistic came from
early research involving training rats to run through a maze, then
removing chunks of their cerebrum and seeing if they could still do it--
the point being to try to localize the center of memory. Well, it turns
out that there is no center of memory...you can remove tissue from
about three-quarters of the cerebrum (as long as you don't hit
anything immediately involved with sustaining life) and the rat will
still remember the path through the maze. It'll limp or stagger or
show some other defecit, but it can still get through the maze.
In humans, the visual association cortex, audio association cortex,
and motor areas together account for more than half of the processing
power of the cerebrum, so it's obviously and /provably/ untrue that
"people only use a quarter of their brains." Even very localized damage
anywhere will cause /some/ sort of functional impairment in people.
--A neurological turtle
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From: TURTLE
To: WYVERNERS
Subject: -*-
Date & Time: 06/03/90 15:28:06
Message Number 5575
"Hm, um, huh? Hey! Where7d Chip go?" the reptile says as Angel's
song fades away into the void of eternal nothingness. "Um, where'd
the glowing chick go, too?" The turtle looks around him with the air of
someone who's trying to remember what he had for breakfast exactly
twenty-two years and three days ago and is being hampered by a large
and rabid dog trying patiently to gnaw his left foot off. "Um, where'd
Wezip go, for that matter? I think I should sit down." Turtle seats
himself at the bar and treats the establishment's occupants at large
to one of his favorite puzzled expressions. "You know," he observes
with his trademarked incicisive insight into the world at large, "this
is turning into an odd day."
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From: SPE11WIND
To: BEATLE
Subject: joke
Date & Time: 06/03/90 15:43:00
Message Number 5576
Why did Richard Nix0n watch Deep Thr0at 5 times?
Because he wanted t0 get it d0wn (P)pat.
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From: SPE11WIND
To: DONTHEN
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 15:45:42
Message Number 5577
I'11 rephrase it. What we d0 because 0f what we are...
Y0u'11 see, s0mething big'11 happen and then we'11 get smart.
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From: SPE11WIND
To: TURTLE
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 15:51:16
Message Number 5578
My ideas are st0p making cures! 0verp0pu1ati0n is due t0 a11 the
cures t0 m0st every disease! Pe0p1e 90 years 01d sh0u1dn't be put 0n a
1ife supp0rt machine, they're n0t enj0ying it! Think. If s0me 0f the
cures weren't ar0und the p0pu1ati0n w0u1d be a bit m0re stabi1ized and
the cyc1e 0f 1ife w0u1dn't be s0 dragged 0ut!
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From: C.C.A.
To: SNAKEBYTE
Subject: Courts of Chaos
Date & Time: 06/03/90 17:45:37
Message Number 5579
I was about to post a message to that end. Thank you for saving me tim
e
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From: TURTLE
To: ALL
Subject: -?-
Date & Time: 06/03/90 19:51:45
Message Number 5580
This is a test message.
Yep, that's right, we had system trouble again today...during routine
maintenance, a message appeared that couldn't be deleted, and, well,
have you ever seen those neat things that are made of two panes of
glass with water and sand between, that make all the swirly designs
when you flip 'em over? Have you ever seen what happens when you DROP
one of them? That's kinda like what the message base looked like. So,
Yours Truly had to spend a good deal of time cleaning sand out of the
message base, and while he was at it wrote a program to kinda collect
some of the mess semi-automatically. Sorta. Anyway, this message might
explode when I try to save it, so I'm delaying things as long as I can,
but, well, here goes...
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From: KEN OBER
To: TURTLE
Subject: IQ & Courts...
Date & Time: 06/03/90 20:26:49
Message Number 5583
The tests are screwed up -- I think the younger you are, the more
accurate the test is -- When you get older, IQ tests become a
combination of academic & learning potential tests -- One moment
they are asking you "What's Missing In This Picture?" and then the
next "Who was the vice-president of the 14th President of the
United States?" Whereas if you are younger, you aren't expected to know
the 2nd question, so they give you a certain amount of information
to learn from or utilities to use, and you have to figure things out.
BTW -- My IQ was tested at either 134 or 136 when I was in 5th grade,
I forget which one -- I'd like to take one again and see how much it
has "changed."
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From: ANGEL
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: validation
Date & Time: 06/03/90 21:37:26
Message Number 5584
> Ekk1esea(sp?) greek. 0r hebrew. 0r s0mething. means assemb1y...
Thanks for the info, but what are you talking about?
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From: ANGEL
To: BEATLE
Subject: Worf? Where?
Date & Time: 06/03/90 21:44:49
Message Number 5585
Speaking of AMOK TIME, I always wondered who had the unenviable task
of telling T'Pau she had been suckered by a lowly, illogical human.
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From: ANGEL
To: TREE BEARD
Subject: grammar again
Date & Time: 06/03/90 21:50:03
Message Number 5586
As long as we seem to be trouncing the spelling/grammar debate again,
thought I'd share a section from writer's guidelines from Asimov's
SF Magazine: "Another common cause (all too common, we're afraid) of
rejection is the obvious lack of basic English compositional skills on
the part of the author. By this we mean that the writer has misspelled
or misused everyday words, and/or mispunctuated same. Stories are
rejected on this basis because a writer _must_ be familiar with the
tools of his or her trade, just as an electrician or carpenter must."
Or, as in your example, an artist must know his tools. You say your
"Ideas are to important..." in that case, I would think you would
want to make sure they were communicated so that everyone could
understand them.
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From: ANGEL
To: SPE11WIND
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 22:04:05
Message Number 5587
No, thank you. I rather like the advent of modern medicine. I don't
long for the good-ole-days of the black death, and routinely
quarantining entire towns for bubonic plague, or burning the homes
of small pox victims, or the annual yellow fever epidemics, etc.
I still remember two summers as a child when no one was allowed to go
swimming anywhere because of the fear of polio. The combination of
black wreaths and yellow quarantine placards on front doors is a
nostalgic treat I would wish to avoid.
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From: ANGEL
To: DONTHEN
Subject: ???????
Date & Time: 06/03/90 22:26:55
Message Number 5590
Donthen, what's your problem?
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From: ANGEL
To: DONTHEN
Subject: ???????
Date & Time: 06/03/90 22:30:21
Message Number 5591
Considering the way you are interpreting my messages of late, allow me
to clarify my last post. It is NOT insulting, derisive, meant to
offend or any other nasty connotations anyone may wish to read into it
It is simply a question by which I am seeking information. Namely,
what is your problem [i.e., in regards to me]. Frankly, I am baffled.
Is there animosity between us that I should be aware of? You seem to
be indirectly requiring an apology from me. For what? What have I
done to you that I am supposed to apologize for? How have I hurt you?
Please tell me. I, at least, will tell a person when I am offended,
and why, and then leave it at that. I try not to leave a friend
guessing, or have a third party try to extricate an apology for me for
the unspecified offense.
If this is a board where a person cannot express unpopular
opinions, why bother to communicate at all? And, honest to God, I
don't know what you are upset about (I know which message you are
upset about, but what the heck was in there to trigger anger? None
was felt here when I wrote it. And don't tell me that that is
cop-out. It's the truth. And, Donthen, the message wasn't even
addressed to you. The person it was sent to, has not publicly
required an apology or even in the text of his messages, seemed at
all upset; it is YOU who says he is upset, yet YOU are the only one
expressing that emotion.) In the original message, I expressed
respect for Turtle and his intelligence. I think he's more than
capable of fighting his own battles.... do you think he is not?
Whatever problem you have with me, address it TO me, not to
someone else. Why do you think I'm lieing in my posts (I read
'cop-out' as a pretty euphemism for 'lie')?
Is there really any point in discussing anything with you in regards
to this subject if I am not to be believed? How long do we continue
in this stalemate with YOU convinced you're RIGHT (capitals) and I'm
wrong? This is your territory, if you wish me to disappear, tell me.
(...contin
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From: ANGEL
To: DONTHEN
Subject: ???????
Date & Time: 06/03/90 23:12:21
Message Number 5592
But don't talk around me. I'm not used to being dealt with in so
round-about a fashion. And you have always struck me as a direct
individual.
This is getting quite long, but I'm trying to be up-front with you.
And, to be honest, you're starting to piss me off. What the heck is
going on? Please, tell me.
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From: DONTHEN
To: ANGEL
Subject: ???????
Date & Time: 06/03/90 23:18:33
Message Number 5593
I don't think I deserved that flame.... did it occur to you that the
reason those messages were "round-about," not directed at you and
pretty general in nature was because THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE?
Yes, I was mildly annoyed at the posts both you and Jonboy made after
setting off your respective flamechains (his about Christianity, yours
about conservative-bashing) that were essentially "Gosh, I was just
amazed at the reaction I got, let's sweep it under the electronic rug
and go on." And yes, I still believe you took Turtle's post far too
seriously and shouldn't have been nearly as surprised as you were when
people told you that, considering you wrote a very vehement spew about
it that would have been very difficult for anyone on this board NOT to
take seriously.
However, I was writing about general debating tactics because, well,
that's the subject that came up. The statements could have as easily
been applied to Jonboy's "It's so swell how I got things going again"
message. They also could be extremely easily applied to cartoonists
Dan Flahive and Chris Grant, whom I frequently get flamed by on the
Rowrbrazzle BBS -- in fact, some of it (the part about continuing to
defend a point, becoming more and more volatile, even when other
people are only attacking the way the point was stated) was written
with them in mind more than anyone on this board at all.
I apologize if you thought my message to Jonboy was a veiled attack
against you, but that reaction is somewhat mystifying to me. You
already knew I thought you were guilty of weedy debating tactics, but
that's hardly a devastating complaint.
As I said, my message sounded general because it WAS general. I'm sorry
it offended you; it should have, at most, expressed a distaste for
a method of "debating" I see too often on BBS's.
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From: SPE11WIND
To: ANGEL
Subject: godtalk
Date & Time: 06/03/90 23:55:00
Message Number 5594
If y0u trace s0me diseases back, they were started by us, in 0ur
quest t0 better 0urse1ves, we f0rg0t what rea11y c0unted...sigh
I wish I had a p0ny...
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From: BEATLE
To: ANGEL
Subject: Worf? Where?
Date & Time: 06/04/90 05:04:46
Message Number 5595
>...telling T'Pau she had been suckered by a lowly, illogical human.
Well, evidently they didn't have any problems with Kirk, since they
performed the ancient ceremony of transfering the katra into a person
(Star Trek III)
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From: BEATLE
To: A LL
Subject: animation
Date & Time: 06/04/90 05:10:32
Message Number 5596
First of all, I was told by Ken Ober that a bunch of people will be
heading up to Tampa on the 16th to see "Akira"(sp?) and I was sort of
invited to tag along. Anyways, if I'm going, I need to know if the date
above is correct, what time everyone will be meeting at the car pool
location, when we'll all be back, and (most important) how much it will
cost...
Another animation thing I heard about was that the new film "Rescuers
Down Under" (out this summer) weill be the first ever animated motion
picture fully computer-colored. I assume since cartoons are a different
matter than live action, the result will look MUCH more impressive than
a colorized movie... they also use more colors.
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From: KEN OBER
To: ANGEL
Subject: ???????
Date & Time: 06/04/90 13:29:49
Message Number 5597
Donthen has been a Dip for a ew days now -- Nooke knows why! :)
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From: KEN OBER
To: KEN OBER
Subject: ???????
Date & Time: 06/04/90 13:33:31
Message Number 5598
Gee, Ken, my typing is getting bad as of late! Duh! EEEwwww....
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From: RUFUS
To: TURTLE
Subject: PARTY!!!
Date & Time: 06/04/90 17:22:20
Message Number 5600
If we could find some extension cords, an electrical outlet, and find
a way to keep all the bugs away, and cool the beach down, it would be
fine.
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