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The Lawles Society
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Issue #11
12/1/92
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The Fallout of #10
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As expected, I caught hell for TLS10.TXT . Yes, even I must admit,
the ansi header was quiet nasty, so back to the original. Anyway, I caught
hell from the people I expected, but I also caught it from those I didn't
expect it from. This will be an ANSWER to the questions that have popped
up. Some to show the rest of society things that should have been said,
things that shouldn't have, and things that should have been said
differently. It is also to express my SOLE feelings on the matters that
have transpired in the day since its release. Maybe the rest of society
will change their opinions after this. Am I the fool that has crushed the
innocent people? Maybe....You decide.
To start off, I would like to apologize to the aforementioned
sysop of TextLand. He took some minor offense to some of the things
mentioned, we discussed them, and I hope we cleared alot of things up. I
should have made it more clear that TextLand and its files are to no way
be considered equal to the actions or considered involved with the term I
loosley used - DERF FILE. TextLand has much more to offer, and in
actuality DERF is of the smallest involvement in TextLand. I think I said
something like "One of the activities of TextLand is the DERF FILE". I
should have made it more clear how small of a part that DERF actually is
to TextLand. I am also friends with this person, and in all honesty, I
should have expressed my thought on it in person long ago (as should the
rest of this group-every single one of us) but didn't. I do not know what
stopped me, or the rest of us, from doing so. The sysop of TextLand really
has NO INVOLVEMENT with other peoples activities, and I think I was trying
to keep him uninvolved in it (although to make people understand why I did
this,it was needed to tell some sort of history). I have been told, and
agree I went about it wrong in his case. I am sorry.
To "Veg"- In all honesty, I do not understand why you are angry
with me. EVERYTHING I said, has been said publically by many others, on a
lot of occaisions, to which you did nothing but laugh it off. Why you
chose this file to single out, I don't know. You and 12 O'Clock think of
me as a hypocrit. Why I do not know. Yes, I stated in the 10 that I agree
with SELECTIVE AUTHORS JUDGEMENT. That in no way means total censorship.
You think me as a Hypocrit for releasing an un-associated file called the
Zac Chat. I do not understand why you think me hypocratic, because you are
the one who pestered me until I released it. The Zac chat involved
embarrasing things people did not mean to become public, so I did censor
some parts I felt appropriate. This is different. This is something that
has bothered many people for a long time. No one did a thing about it
until the day that I and Subroc stated our feelings on the abuse issue.
After I did, I was given the attitude that I am silly, too hard on them,
too serious, and I was even whispered "You must be Sexually frustrated."
So, in the abuse case, all knew my stance on it, and no one chose to
listen. I am not going to sit by, and watch a friend of mine's great system
be wasted, or ruined. You were to be no way associated with the Sheep, but
you have exploded several times on ChatLand. Even a friend of yours said
"[Veg] should be monitored, to make sure he doesn't blow up again!" or
something not in those exact words. I accept what you do perfectly well
until it starts hurting me or my friends. You forced me to release the Zac
Chat, and now you say what I said is inappropriate? Who's the hypocrit? I
am not sure you are pissed at that, I must assume though since you refuse
to talk to me about it.
To "12 O'Clock" - You said this night sarchasticly (sp) that You
were the sheep herder. I did not intend it to be taken that way. I meant
it to be taken as the following.....A smart, nice person, who helps people
learn things they desire and that I think you don't realize what these
people are making you look like and how much damage they are doing to
ChatLand. You also stated you thought I was a hypocrit. As I said, your
beliefs are fine. I accept them perfectly well. As for you reading things
into the file that were not intended, that was not my intention and
whatever you think becsue of things not expressed, is not my fault. I
meant to actually compliment you, but obviously it has been taken
differently. I apologize.
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Thats the end of the apologies people. Now, for the good stuff.
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I have noticed that since the release of this file dozens of
people no longer backing me. Essentially, they felt the pressure, and
backed out, and jumped on the "Bash Powerslave" bandwagon. Even 2 VERY
CLOSE FRIENDS. Yes, I was the sole writer of TLS10, but it has been
discussed for many months with other people. Many other people. The
information in it is not heresay, or half-truths.....it is 100% true. Keep
in mind, some of the judgement things are my opinions only. I refuse to
speak for others, but there were at least 30 people on ChatLand
encouraging me to write this, and expressing their anger to it. Now, I can
only find 1. To those people (You ALL know who you are) you will not have
my trust again. Fuck me once, Shame on you. Fuck me twice, Shame on me.
You people are cowards, and have no backbone whatsoever. To my 2 close
friends that abandoned me, I will act like nothing happened until you come
to me. One I know will not. I know them to well, one will and I am
waiting. Some have told me that it was the way I wrote it. Maybe it is.
Let the rest be the judge of that. But the content could not be more
accurate.
I had a discussion with the one I callsigned "Roach". At first he
denied everything that was mentioned. When I made it clear I have proof,
and witnesses, he admitted to a few of them. To this day he refuses to
admit everything, and every sentence says something like "So now everyone
hates me. Whoa...big deal. I dont care. You believe what you want to
believe.". As I told this person, I do not hate him. I think he has a lot
to learn before he can criticize (sp) anyone. He kept saying that what I
mentioned was all in the past. As I said in the file, he has been good
recently (The last few weeks), and he even tried to be helpful to a bad
situation.......ONCE. To him-I apologize for HOW I said things, not WHAT I
said. Basically to all 3 of the sheep mentioned. There are at least 2 more
that I did not mention. DO not believe this is the only 3. There are 3
more on the border of sheepdom also. Unfortunately, the bash powerslave
movement might have quickened their pace to become sheep. Hopefully not.
If they do, the file backfired.
I have not talked to Einstein or Caidoz yet. I can assume what
they will do. I will not say anything until they actually talk to me, but
for Roach and the other 2- You continually deny being abusive to others.
There is no doubt in mine or anyone elses mind that you are. At least fess
up to that. I agree, the personal attacks should have been left out, but
everyone wanted them left in. As many abovely mentioned - I did as the
people wanted.
To Einstein specifically - I GREATLY apologize for the FLAG FILE
comment. That was an opinion, and not all agree. In fact, many people liked
it. What you do is good (when it comes to writing things like that) and I
am afraid I took yours and the rest of the sheeps other actions in mind
when I wrote it. I am sorry for a very bad example of a personal attack.
Keep writing. Now think how the new users felt when they were verbally
assaulted for asking questions you guys dubbed as moronic. Don't you guys
remember being new? You must, it was only months ago. You guys are barely
out of your modem diapers yet. I shall think how others will feel (before
I say or write something like this again) if you guys agree to.
It has proven to me that you people will not let me be like you.
You people find what I did atrocious. You made fun of people that you
didn't like, or people you claimed as "Morons". All I did was do the same
things to people who hurt others, and degrated many. Who is calling the
kettle black?
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I hope the people reading this think on what I said for awile, and
not do what they did with TLS10; Bash Powerslave to make us feel better.
That is the truth, because what I said was honesty, and all mentioned know
it. I am sorry this cannot be handled more maturely. Granted, I did not
help much by writing it the WAY I did, but all you did is make it worse.
You people seem to forget I tried to get you to understand the affects of
your actions, but you refused, and thought me as stupid. You can think
what you like. I know better and so do the people. Even the ones who
changed their minds about the whole thing because they feared what "Other
people would think". They know the truth, and they will have the sleepness
nights....not me.
To Sysop of TextLand, 12 O'Clock, and Veg - I hope you accept my
apology, and understand where I was and am coming from. If not, I hope you
simply accept it as my opinion, and not as a personal attack.
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To people who have NO IDEA what this is about-
I am sorry this is another locally based TLS file. Hopefully
there will be no more of these, but I had to reach these people somehow.
What I post or say in public is never heard. The only way to get to them
is through TextFiles (and boy did it). Lesson to be learned-always think
about what you say. Honesty can come back and haunt you no matter how
honest you are. Never take people for granted. Never trust acquaintences
to back you up when the shit hits the fan, cause they will be gone. Say
what the public wants, and not what you feel. This may be my last TLS
Textfile. We will see how things progress in the next few weeks. If it
is.....I can't say it's been a blast, but at least its been something.
Even someone doing this for close to 11 years can learn. Unfortunately the
hard way.
Bah Hindu, LlamaToes and all the rest!
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