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Computer underground Digest Fri May 10, 1996 Volume 8 : Issue 35 ISSN 1004-042X Editor: Jim Thomas (cudigest@sun.soci.niu.edu) News Editor: Gordon Meyer (gmeyer@sun.soci.niu.edu) Archivist: Brendan Kehoe Shadow Master: Stanton McCandlish Field Agent Extraordinaire: David Smith Shadow-Archivists: Dan Carosone / Paul Southworth Ralph Sims / Jyrki Kuoppala Ian Dickinson Cu Digest Homepage: http://www.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest CONTENTS, #8.35 (Fri, May 10, 1996) File 1--Fight Fiercely (and "vigorously"), Haah-vaahd! File 2--The nail picture File 3--FW: American Reporter v. Reno -- Day 1 File 4--Re: Cyber Projects File 5--Cornell Internet Law Symposium: A Forward (fwd) File 6--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 7 Apr, 1996) CuD ADMINISTRATIVE, EDITORIAL, AND SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION ApPEARS IN THE CONCLUDING FILE AT THE END OF EACH ISSUE. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 May 96 15:53 CDT From: Glen L. Roberts <glr@ripco.com Subject: File 1--Fight Fiercely (and "vigorously"), Haah-vaahd! PRESS RELEASE Contact: Glen L. Roberts (814) 678-8801 Underpinnings of Web Attacked "Banyan Revival Bets Heavily on the Web" reads a headline in the 3/96 issue of Web Week. Banyan Systems International is apparently looking for corporate success through the Internet and it's world wide web. Now, however, they appear to be attacking the entire structure of the web. The fundamental key to the brilliant success of the world wide web is hypertext linking. These allow every document on the web to link to (reference) any other document on the web. Hence, the name: "world wide web." Every page on the web is an individualistic creation of that web master, but includes links to other webs, making a never seen before collage of expression. Each piece adds to the rest. "In my continuing presentations about privacy, I found the web to be an excellent medium, rather than abstractly talking about risks, I can point people directly to resources and they can make their own decisions," said Glen L. Roberts, host of Full Disclosure Live. He says that technology is forging ahead and our only assurance that it is used for good is a true understanding of it. "Hands on is the best way." One of his most recent web pages has come under attack by Banyan Systems International. While betting on the web for a corporate revivial, they have asked Roberts' information service provider (ISP) to terminate all access to Banyan's web page! Banyan never contacted Roberts about his web page, but rather placed a number of demands on his ISP, which if implemented would open the door for all hypertext links to be prohibited. "They are asking for the death of the web," said Roberts. "The beauty of the web is that I can place my web page on any ISP or even multiple ISPs. Freedom of expression is the king of the web, not the whim of corporate America." Corporate attacks on his political expression are not new to Roberts. Harris Corporation accused him of criminal and civil infractions for writing about their cellular phone interception equipment. The web page in question can be accessed at: http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~glr/stalk.html Banyan's letter to his ISP follows. This letter follows my attempt to contact you by telephone today. Banyan Systems Incorporated has learned that one or more parties operating on your system (http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~glr/stalk.html) are misappropriating Banyan's on-line "whitepages" directory, Switchboard(tm). Furthermore, these parties expressly encourage and instruct users of your system to access Switchboard in order to engage in "stalking" -- privacy -- spying -- snooping", some of which activities are subject to federal, and state criminal laws, and all of which entail potential liability for damages to one or more personal privacy rights. Attached for your information are photocopies of computer screens containing the offending text. We intend vigorously to protect our legal rights and the integrity of our products and services, as well as to insure strict performance of your obligations in this matter. While we continue to pursue our own investigation into these activities and consult with law enforcement agencies as necessary, we require you to take the following measures: 1. immediately terminate all access to Switchboard via your system by any programmatic means; 2. immediately stop further misappropriation of Switchboard in any form and its misuse for criminal purposes; 3. immediately implement effective procedures to preclude any linkage whatsoever to Switchboard in the future without our express written consent; and 4. promptly and without delay confirm to me in writing that you have undertaken these measures. You may contact me at (508)898-1000, ext. 1662. Sincerely, Richard L. Bugley Vice President and General Counsel RLB/smc Enclosure Banyan Systems Inc., 120 Flanders Road, P.O. Box 5013, Westboro, MA 01581-5013 Tel 508-898-1000 Fax 508-898-1755 -------------------------- Glen L. Roberts Articles, Catalog, Links, Downloadable Programs: http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~glr/glr.html Offset Printing Services & Prices: http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~glr/printing.html ------------------------------ From: jblumen@INTERRAMP.COM Date: Fri, 3 May 96 21:42:51 PDT Subject: File 2--The nail picture A NAIL THROUGH THE GENITALS: The Outer Limits of Speech By Jonathan Wallace, jw@bway.net co-author, Sex, Laws and Cyberspace (Henry Holt 1996) http://www.spectacle.org/freespch Wired reporter Brock Meeks, my fellow plaintiff in the anti-CDA case ACLU vs. Reno, recently began a report from the Computers, Freedom and Privacy conference with these words: "He smokes, he drinks, he swears on occasion. And his face twists into a kind of ironic smile when he reels off the phrase, 'female genitalia nailed to a board.'" Brock is describing Bruce Taylor, ex-prosecutor, head of the National Law Center for Children and Families, and one of the architects of the Communications Decency Act. Taylor is talking about genitals nailed to a board because that image has become a "poster child", so to speak, of the pro-CDA forces. To them, it represents the kind of horrifying image that must be banned from cyberspace. Every activist movement has its poster children. The pro-choice faction has the picture of the dead woman slumped in a pool of blood after a botched abortion. The pro-lifers have photos of fully formed fetuses. The major difference is that every other group shows you the picture--Taylor only likes to talk about this one. "But there's a small problem," Meeks wrote. "No one's ever seen this picture. Taylor, unfortunately, doesn't carry a copy with him to back up his claims." The picture Taylor loves to talk about is one of the GIF's for which California sysops Robert and Carleen Thomas were convicted in Memphis, Tennessee. On September 7, 1993, federal postal inspector David Dirmeyer, on an undercover assignment as "Lance White", logged on to the Thomas's Amateur Action BBS and downloaded a GIF described as "HAIRLESS PUSSY NAILED TO A TABLE." The AABBS was membership only; Thomas had filled out and faxed an application form, with address and phone number information included, and Robert Thomas had attempted to screen him but had gotten only the "Lance White" answering machine. The GIF's were come-ons for videos the Thomases sold; each GIF was a freeze-frame from a video. On September 17, Dirmeyer ordered video K17 (in the Thomas' numbering scheme, K stood for "kinky"), which Thomas's online catalogue described as follows: "He makes her sit on a table and then nails her hairless pussy to the table! The girls scream with pain throughout the whole video! Excellent Action!" At trial, prosecutor Dan Newsom of Memphis introduced video K17, and then a GIF that he said had been taken from it. The ensuing dialog between the lawyers provided one of the trial's many moments of bizarre comedy. Defense attorney Richard Williams rose to call to the court's attention that video K17 showed only one nail being driven through the actress's genitals. The proffered GIF showed two nails. "Is that an oversight?" he asked, challenging his adversary to prove that the image came from the video. "Why don't we wait and do it after lunch?" Judge Julia Smith Gibbons suggested. That afternoon, prosecutor Newsom admitted that he had erred in attributing the GIF to the video. The Thomases were convicted, and the meme of the transfixed genitals passed into the meme pool and cyberspace history, later being resurrected by Bruce Taylor as his proof that the Net requires regulation. The nail-through-the-genitals picture almost certainly represents the outer limits of speech. At a post-trial hearing, Judge Gibbons made an unusual reference to the press coverage the case had received. She protested the inference that a conservative Memphis prosecutor had successfully convicted the Thomases for speech that would have been acceptable elsewhere: "This was far at the extreme end of the scale of what might be considered obscenity....this was way worse than anything I have seen." Judge Gibbons is right. If we are to have obscenity laws at all--if they serve any purpose--then it is hard to imagine what else they cover if they do not prohibit photographs of nails through a woman's genitals. But if you take a step back, and ignore the knee-jerk reaction most of us feel to the description of the picture, you can ask yourself the question, "Why is this picture illegal? Whom are we protecting by forbidding it?" Hovering behind the AABBS case and Bruce Taylor's contemptuous words is the philosophy of University of Michigan law professor Catharine MacKinnon, who wrote: "What pornography does, it does in the real world, not only in the mind....In pornography, women are gang raped so that they can be filmed. They are not gang raped by the idea of a gang rape.... It is for pornography, and not by the ideas in it, that women are hurt and penetrated....so that sex pictures can be made...." MacKinnon is the best-known proponent of the proposition that pornography is violence, that it is made through, and causes, violence against women. MacKinnon's proposed anti-pornography ordinance, held unconstitutional in federal court, defined as pornography materials which present women as "dehumanized sex objects.... tied up or cut up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt....being penetrated by objects or animals...." The words could have been written with the nail picture in mind. In writing about the AABBS case, I had never seen the picture, only read various descriptions in the trial transcript. What I imagined was a sadomasochistic ritual captured on film, a woman being tormented for the entertainment of a sick, and sickening audience. During April 1996, I finally had the opportunity to see the photo in question, and was quite startled by what I saw. The picture captures the torso of a thin woman, who is standing by a table. Her labia is extended, and someone else's hands are holding a nail which has passed through the extended lip and a hammer with which the nail is apparently being pounded. Her body is completely at rest; there is no indication in the picture that she is experiencing any pain. In fact, what we are likely seeing is a woman with a previously pierced labia, pretending (or conspiring to pretend) that a nail is being hammered through it. One acquaintance told me: "Its a pretty common party trick in the pierced community. I've done it myself." (Thereby giving me a glimpse of an extremely unfamiliar world.) A few years ago, at the circus museum in Coney Island--now closed--I saw a man put a nail through a pierced place in his tongue--same trick, different anatomical part. Years ago, when I took up scuba diving and saw my first barracuda and moray eel, I realized that I had to put aside significant preconceptions. The word "barracuda", the word "moray eel" came with significant baggage already attached, pertaining to their wild viciousness and their propensity to attack. In order to learn what these animals really were, I had to strip the words of any significance and start again. I went through a similar mental process when I saw the nail picture. Once you clearly understand what you are seeing in the picture, it is neither "prurient" or "patently offensive" (two of the three prongs of the Miller test of obscenity.) It is not prurient because it did not turn me on, and I suspect it would not arouse the average human being. In fact, the picture has a clinical aura, like an illustration from a medical textbook. One of the absurdities of the Miller standard is that it applies local community standards--in the AABBS case, those of Memphis, Tennessee--then gives itself an out by allowing the jury to convict even if they do not find the work prurient. The prosecution is allowed to present an expert to testify that the intended audience finds the work prurient. The complete unfairness of this result is illustrated by the fact that the beliefs or reactions of the users of the material are irrelevant for all other purposes. If the jury finds the work prurient, it is irrelevant that those who buy it do not. If the jury finds the work patently offensive, it is irrelevant that the users do not. So what Miller really says is: If someone finds this prurient, and you think it is patently offensive that they do, you can lock them up. The nail picture is not patently offensive either, if it portrays a consensual party trick that hurt nobody. (It would be patently offensive, but still not necessarily prurient, if it portrayed an actual scene of torture.) Looking at it, one is left with the feeling that here is another tempest in a teapot. After looking at the picture for awhile, one feels nothing about it; it is hard to believe that it is the subject of all this fuss. Another insight granted by the nail picture is that the third prong of the Miller test also makes no sense. If the work is prurient and patently offensive, says Miller, you still can't convict if it has some scientific, literary, artistic or political (SLAP) value. On this one test alone, we don't trust the jury to apply their local standards; we apply a national "reasonable person" standard. But who made judges literary critics? In no other arena do we let any legal consequence, let alone prison, rest on a judge's unqualified evaluation of whether something is art. A glance at the case law of recent decades confirms that judges, while not admitting that they are not critics, have found two main ways to avoid the issue. First, they never hold pure text to be obscene any more; instead, courts have all but conceded that all prose has at least minimal SLAP value. Why, then, is this not true of pictures? Why is a judge qualified to decide whether a picture is "artistic" if he or she cannot safely make this determination for prose? The second may be called the "Mapplethorpe" approach. The Cincinnati police closed an exhibit of photographs by the famous New York photographer, arrested a museum curator, and put him on trial for obscenity. The verdict: the pictures had SLAP value; most of the exhibit was flowers and portraits, while a few photographs showed subjects like the artist nude with a whip inserted in his anus. The court actually reasoned backwards, however. Because it was Mapplethorpe--who had acquired a significant reputation in the art world--it could not be obscene, and must have SLAP value. But this kind of determination rests on very thin ice. The same photograph, attributed to Mapplethorpe or anonymous, then becomes obscene or not under the same community standards. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not of men. I have the same reaction to the nail picture as to the Mapplethorpe self-portrait. Both have a clinical feel to them; neither is prurient to me, though they both are mildly alienating or disengaging--an effect considered artistic by many. One cannot attribute entirely dissimilar motives to the author of the nail picture and to Mapplethorpe. Both may have intended to provoke or to produce discomfort; but so did Joyce, Burroughs, and Nabokov, all of whose work is now clearly First Amendment-protected. So we are left with the question: who is harmed? I seriously doubt that anything about the nail picture will make anyone want to hammer a nail through someone else, or have a nail hammered through them. The picture is too static and clinical for that. It does not advocate or incite. No-one is arguing that the nail picture should be seen by minors, though. The Thomases didn't do that. In order to see the nail picture, you had to join AABBS, faxing them an application with an original signature, paying them some money, and undergoing a phone screening. There was no allegation that the nail picture ever reached a minor, or even that it was ever seen by anyone (other than the jury) who was offended by it. The nail picture, according to the decision in the AABBS case, may not be shown to consenting adults. Why? Because obscenity laws careen on from decade to decade, fueled by knee jerk reactions, while no-one (with the possible exception of Professor MacKinnon) has any idea what societal interests we are attempting to protect. I believe that Milton's statement in The Aeropagitica is broad enough to cover the nail picture. "Read any books whatever come to thy hands, for thou art sufficient both to judge aright, and to examine each matter....Prove all things, hold fast that which is good...." Bad ideas, Milton said, "serve in many respects to discover, to confute, to forewarn, and to illustrate." I learned something from the nail picture. If the law had succeeded in preventing me from seeing it, I would have been poorer. For me, the nail picture had SLAP value; it sparked a thought process. But if you prevent anyone from seeing it, then, again in Milton's words, you censure us "for a giddy, vicious, and ungrounded people; in such a sick and weak state of faith as to be able to take nothing down but through the pipe of a licenser." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 96 20:23:17 PDT From: jblumen@interramp.com Subject: File 3--FW: American Reporter v. Reno -- Day 1 The American Reporter v. Reno, Day 1 (April 29) In the back corner of the space reserved for lawyers and witnesses sat the familiar triumvirate of Schmidt, Baron, and Olsen. Schmidt opted not for the grey flannel, but instead had a grey double-breasted suit, a blue shirt, and a fat flowery tie; Olsen, an academic blue blazer and smug smirk; and Baron, a dark suit and defensive, searching little eyes. Three censors, will travel. The dingy, closed federal courtroom in Philadelphia paled in comparison to this huge, new Ceremonial courtroom in downtown Manhattan--light, airy, with dark wood and green marble. I was a few minutes early and had the pleasure of overhearing Fred Cherry speaking to one of the only other souls in the room. He nodded towards Olsen, "I think I saw him on Declan's list, the famous censor at the Carnegie Watermelon Institute." He said he wanted to join his case with this one, but "I've been accused of having been put up to this by the ACLU." Cherry is a thin, bent, wiry old man with thick, matted mess of of grey hair, a dusty presence and a worn, blue raincoat. He has weathered skin and large, carved features--big ears, a prominent nose, a long bony chin, and a bright smile that sparkles in his blue eyes. "Among other things," he pronounced to his audience of one, "I'm a connoisseur of pornography." Randall Boe, an attorney for the American Reporter, entered the courtroom and Cherry jumped up to hand him some papers. Boe thanked him in stride and approached his table. All rose as the Honorable Denise Coat, Jose Cabranas, and Leonard Sand entered the room. Cabranas sat in the middle and was clearly in charge. From way back in the bleachers he looked a bit like a middle aged Gregory Peck, with a deep, raspy voice. On his left sat Sand, a bespectacled man with a full white beard and a little voice. Judge Coat was petite and generally quiet, but could be clearly heard when she spoke up. The ACLU/ALA case in Philadelphia has been criticized for being a big mish-mash of a crowd of plaintiffs, who are mere fodder for an even bigger legal team. It is a grand scale effort of sometimes varying agendas. When Joe Shea of the American Reporter filed his suit against Reno he decided not to conjoin it with the ACLU's. Perhaps he felt that the point of his case would be lost in a political struggle, of which he would play no part; perhaps he had a personal gripe with the ACLU. Regardless, rather than a combined effort by AIDS groups, parenting organizations, publishers of Holocaust information, Gay activists, and any and everyone else caught by the vague language of the CDA, Shea has a single point which drives to the heart of the debate: Is the Internet like print media or like television? Shea's case focuses on an article recently printed by his Web-based news service in which the author criticized the CDA and mentioned all of the seven dirty words. Putting a timely spin on the comparison of media, Harpers magazine has recently published the exact same article. His case then asks the question, "An article that can clearly be published by print-based news services is now illegal an equivalent service online?" Shea hopes that the judges will be forced to decide explicitly whether the Internet is like the "scarce," "pervasive" broadcast media or like books, magazines and newpapers. It is within this comparison that the the Constitutionality of the CDA must be considered. For all the grandiose aims and political shuffling I felt like I was simply having an odd case of deja-vu, run at a faster rpm. Up on the panel were three old scholars of the law, which the attorneys for both sides were going to school in new technologies. Only one of these cases can make it to the Supreme Court, so out came Gordon Gallagher of Pencom Systems Incorporated, who hit the ground running--right into acronyms and the alphabet soup of Internet jargon. Gallagher knew the Internet backwards and forwards, up and down. He soon dove into a mess of TCP/IP, proxy servers, Sun Sparc stations, mail servers, and Web browsers. Judge Sand asked once, "can we can slow down for the computer illiterate?" But the schedule was deliberately breakneck and the task of teaching the intricacies of the Internet in two hours almost impossible. So Bo took it back to the basics and asked Gordon to demonstrate a Web browser. There were seven screens in the courtroom: three for the judges, one for each team of lawyers, one for the clerks, and another for the audience. The proceedings stalled ... Gallagher said they were logged into Schmidt's account and it had shut off after five minutes of no use. Special Agent Schmidt hustled up to fix the problem. Gallagher took the court on a browser ride to The American Reporter, The Breast Cancer Information Clearinghouse, the Safer Sex page and the Ethical Spectacle. Olsen sat smirking with Baron, as Gallagher occasionally overqualified his answers to judges' questions, delving into the nuances of the technology. Randy Boe, however, was clear and well spoken in his questions, and adept at bringing Gallagher back to the important issues and technological discrepancies. William Hoffman for the Justice Department spent just a few minutes on cross-examination and Gallagher stepped down. Schmidt, the Air Force computer crime guy, took his oath and was back on the stand, showing the judges just how easy it was to find smut. He gave the same routine as in Philadelphia, holding the judges' hands through the use of the browser, giving an effective layman's tutorial. This time, however, there was less time to fool around with Liberty Bells and legal resources. Schmidt got straight to business--clicking on to a search engine and typing "XXX." Then, instead of searching on "Jasmine," he found some good porno by entering "sleepingbeauty." As in the ACLU case, Schmidt walked the judges up to the links then pointed them to the printed copy of the site in evidence. At the first lewd stop, Las Vegas Showgirls, the Special Air Force Porn Agent carefully clicked one page shy and referred the judges to what everyone would see if he were to click there. Cabranes looked at the screen and the papers and said "Why don't you just go ahead and do it, for the public interest." Schmidt was taken off guard and obviously uncomfortable with the idea of clicking onto his favorite smut as the entire court looked on. "You want me to click on it?" "Yes," said Cabranes. Soon the seven screens became focal points of the room. Cherry had been alternately nodding off and now perked up and leaned into the public's screen, which sat directly in front of him. The clerks off to the side were now huddled around their screen, like four friends around a campfire. I was a few rows back and had a difficult time seeing past Cherry's disheveled head. There was some kind of woman sprawled back, grabbing herself, and Schmidt was getting increasingly uncomfortable. His lawyer, William Hoffman, a nerdy dude with a high pitch to his voice and a little lisp, jumped in and asked if they could skip hitting the porn links. Cabranes could care less--we were in New York City for fucksake. "Whatever you think appropriate. That's fine." Schmidt made it through only half of his testimony before the end of the day. He was not available to continue the next day and will have to finish up his smut tour next week. In the meantime, the proceedings continue this April 30 and Olsen will most likely be back to talk about his ingenuous rating scheme. Everything is moving at a jittery speed and the judges may simply not have a grounded enough understanding in how the Web works to begin diving into rating systems and the like. Everyone's worried about making it first to the hallowed halls of the highest court in the land. In any case, hopefully the time will be taken to do it right. Mark Mangan markm@bway.net co-author, Sex, Laws and Cyberspace http://www.spectacle.org/sexlaws ----------------------------- Jonathan Wallace The Ethical Spectacle http://www.spectacle.org ACLU v. Reno plaintiff http://www.spectacle.org/cda/cdamn.html Co-author, Sex, Laws and Cyberspace (Henry Holt, 1996) http://www.spectacle.org/freespch/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:00:50 +0100 (BST) From: Richard K. Moore <rkmoore@iol.ie> Subject: File 4--Re: Cyber Projects ________________________________________________________________ 5/03/96, Fred G. Athearn wrote (to cr-deliberate): > Marilyn> Does anyone have any ideas for projects we can do > Marilyn> together? > >These are a few general areas that seem hot: > > Intellectual Property vs. Fair Use, > Cyber-smut vs. Free Speech, > The War on Crime Terrorism vs. Encryption & Privacy > [ Electronic Freedom March - added by someone else ] ________________________________________________________________ One of my favorite parables is the one about Nasrudin, who looked for his keys where the light was good instead of where he had lost them. I'd say we want to avoid spending time on projects which either: - are being handled adequately by others - aren't getting at the root of the problem Also, I'd favor projects where there is an identifiable constituency who have a self-interest in getting involved. Simply getting masses of socially-concious netizens to agree with us may, unfortunately, result in little more than lots of message massage. For me, the central cyber issues are: (1) Beyond CDA: the Bill of Rights (as a whole) and Cyberspace (2) Cyber economics: the monopolist pirate raid on the wired future. re/ (1) ^^^^^^^ I believe that cyber "rights" are a consequence of how cyberspace is "modelled". The corporatist position, which is all but a fait accompli, is that cyberspace is an info-distribution channel like television, and hence has no inherent rights of access, privacy, free speech, etc. -- concerns of children etc. are supposedly central (although we all know that's bullshit -- what could be more harmful to children than the television trash they're subjected to?). I see the "battle" as making a case that we should look at First Class Mail as the proper precedent for private email, and Public Gatherings as the precedent for email lists & conferences, etc. In other words, we should demand that our standard civil liberties be mapped onto cyberspace appropriately. We're not asking for new rights, simply the proper legal interpretation of existing rights (such as they are). To me, this a "deep cut" at the problem -- if we choose this field of battle, we'd have some hope of coalition with ACLU, Center for Consitutional Rights, small publishers, consumer groups, etc. And if we have any success, that would automatically benefit things like encryption, wiretaps, fair-use, censorship, etc. re/ (2) ^^^^^^^ I believe the so-called Reform bill is a modern Enclosures Act -- the theft of the Public Commons by greedy promoters. And this public commons is a grand one indeed, being essentially the central nervous system and perceptual organs of our future society. The law doth punish man or woman That steals the goose from off the common, But lets the greater felon loose, That steals the common from the goose. Anon, 18th cent., on the enclosures. (courtesy of John Whiting) The main problem here is that the public at large understands neither the wonderful potential of cyberspace for "people's networking" (to give it an inadequate moniker), nor the true consequences of the new telecom regime. The public is saturated with a porn-terrorist-hacker image of Internet -- when possibly a majority of messages sent are day-to-day corporate and governmental inter-department mail. And the public is told the Reform act is only to their benefit, with promises of cyber gadgets and virtual entertainment -- with no discussion of what a digital infrastructure _could_ make available to them if it were open and cheap (which the technology should, by rights, provide). It seems to me the first step here is purely educational -- until there's more general understanding of the real issues, it would be pointless to attempt to rouse any sizable constituency around any actions or agenda. We have some natural allies in this field of battle, and ones with significant economic self-interest involved. These include all the small independent operators in the communications, media, and publication industries, together with everyone in public-sector-related businesses (education, municipal governments, etc.). There are also probably some professional associations who would have an identifiable commonality of interests, plus consumer groups and the like. Again, I see this as a "deep cut" tack on the problem -- one which can attract a wider constituency, and in the long run accomplish more, than shorter-term defensive battles such as trying to defend voice-over-Internet, or decriminalizing PGP -- battles fought while public opinion is hostile or indifferent to our cause. I'm forwarding Craig Johnson's "THE REGULATORS MEET THE INTERNET" to the recipients of this message. My hope would be that those who make submissions to the FCC do so from a "deep-cut" perspective re/ the proper role of regulation over society's communication infrastructure. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:42:32 -0500 (CDT) From: David Smith <bladex@BGA.COM> Subject: File 5--Cornell Internet Law Symposium: A Forward (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From--Mark Eckenwiler <eck@panix.com> Subject--Cornell Internet Law Symposium Date--Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Mike, here's my quick summary of the Internet Law Symposium sponsored by the Cornell Journal of Law & Public Policy, 4/12-4/13/96: Friday night (4/12), Bruce Taylor of the National Law Center for Families and Children gave a predictable keynote speech explaining why the CDA is constitutional & A Good Idea. Among his observations and arguments: - The S Ct says we can regulate obscenity because the courts can enforce morality. (Oops -- try "valueless speech".) - "Patent offensiveness" under the CDA requires not only offense, but also an intent to offend. BT claimed that an image put up on the WWW might or might violate the law depending on whether a U Penn Law Student (as part of a safe-sex page) or Al Goldstein did it. - The CDA doesn't apply to speech with lit/art/politcal merit. - He heavily conflated smut/porn/indecency/kidporn/obscenity. Heavily, as in using the terms interchangeably. - He urged acceptance of the CDA as the expression of the will of the majority, them folks what ain't bin to kollidj like us but who still love (and want to protect) their kids. - As Bruce does in every speech he ever gives, he made reference to the famous GIF (at issue in the Robert & Carleen Thomas case) of a woman's genitals nailed to a board. He didn't bother mentioning that this image was deemed obscene, or that the CDA is superfluous as to obscenity. In the rather odd position of giving a rebuttal to the keynote address, I tried to accomplish some basic things to start: explaining the contours of the obscene/indecent/HTM/kid-porn classifications; taking Bruce & Co. to task for working so hard to blur those distinctions and to treat "indecent" material as if it's all "smut" or "porn"; and explaining just how big the sweep of indecency/patent offensiveness is. I made a point of calling Bruce on his repeated claims that the third Miller prong (art/literature/etc.) is also a part of the indecency standard. [On Saturday, he even claimed that indecency also includes a prurience prong -- as if the Carlin monologue ever got anybody all hot'n'bothered.] I spent a good deal of time focussing on the narrow basis for Pacifica (pervasisveness/accessibility to kiddies/time channeling) and how those things don't apply to the net. Following in the Godwin tradition, I moralized as a parent in my own right -- quoting Brandeis (from Olmstead) and Frankfurter (Butler v. Michigan) on the limits of well-intentioned legislation designed to protect children. I also beat Bruce over the head with the 4/11 NYT story about Patrick Trueman & the AFA going after CompuServe over the "adults-only" area -- so much for the good-faith defenses meaning anything. My closer was an example of a book that could easily be viewed as "patently offensive" under the standards of many communities: a book about a bunch of men getting drunk and discussing homosexual love (and/or slicing people in half), including one young reveler's account of his night in bed with one of the older men present. (Payoff: it's _The Symposium_, from which the Cornell Symposium & all others get their name. While we at this Symposium can engage in robust/indecent speech, the CDA denies that same right to those in the online world &c. &c.) I used exactly one Dirty Word in my speech, and that in summarizing _Cohen_. Bruce would only call it "the F word" (and/or spell it out!) duirng the Q&A that followed (and this after saying "bullshit" at CFP). I did manage to work in "shit" and "cunt" on Saturday as examples of how Chaucer could fail the CDA's standard. Saturday (in brief): Morning panel was Bob Peters, Llew Gibbons from Temple Law, Marjorie Hodges from the Cornell OIT, & Adam Lehman of AOL. Bob hogged the floor and told many of the same legal lies BT had peddled the night before. (Best one: fn. 18 of Pacifica is good law, and means the CDA is constitutional.) Llew talked about alternative models like the private market and a contract model between customer-wanting-kid- friendly-service and ISPs (which sounds as if it's what Judge Dalzell grasped on Friday). Margie Hodges talked about the specific problems faced by universitiess under the CDA. Adam talked about role of ISPs who can't know how to comply with the CDA. Best a.m. moment: Bob Peters admitting "I have never been on the Internet." 2d best: Margie Hodges incredulously asking him to repeat it to make sure she heard right. P.M. panel: Alan Davidson of CDT (on crypto policy), Pam Samuelson (guess), Llew (more crypto -- specifics of Leahy bill), and BT & me on the CDA once again. More BT gems from the panel discussion: - making "indecent" speakers go into a special area is like making smokers go outside. - the CDA is like a sex harassment law - Pacifica fn. 18 ("banning indecency merely regulates form, not content"), cited in the committee report, is good law. My response was pretty predictable: - First Amendment protects *un*popular speech, and bars forcing it into more palatable forms (see Texas v. Johnson) - Smoking isn't speech -- duh - Indecency is *broad* (with numerous examples from literature) During Q&A I asked Bruce if he thought a "click here only if you're 18" intermediate page on a web site is a valid CDA defense. 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