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Personally I disagree. The idea that Capitalism is an emergent property of the human experience isn't really backed up by anything. Research into the evolutionary course for humanity strongly contraindicates against hyperindividualism or radical self interest. Evolutionary homo sapiens got as far as we have mostly because of cooperation. From an Evo Psych perspective the research into human's inherent bias towards greed is shaky at best and people like Kroputkin have strongly argued against this idea.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution

Believing that Capitalism is some kind of state of nature is obtusely neoliberal and frankly silly. Behavioral genetics is unprovable nonsense and people have shown time and time again that they can make decisions that seem to violate whatever evolutionary drives they might have. So even in the worst possible case scenario, Greed and therefore Capitalism are inevitable products of the human condition, that doesn't prevent us from striving towards a better world regardless.

The rug can't be pulled from under itself, until the rug tries realizing all at once that it never was a rug. The presence of the rug had made it forget the vast and infinitely tiling surface it rested upon. In that moment it knew that no matter what direction it choose it was now free from the metaphysical confines of the rug and now more able then ever to seek a better place.

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~inquiry wrote (thread):

> Personally I disagree. The idea that Capitalism
> is an emergent property of the human experience
> isn't really backed up by anything. Research
> into the evolutionary course for humanity strongly
> contraindicates against hyperindividualism or radical
> self interest. Evolutionary homo sapiens got as far
> as we have mostly because of cooperation. From an Evo
> Psych perspective the research into human's inherent
> bias towards greed is shaky at best and people like
> Kroputkin have strongly argued against this idea.
> 
> https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution

What are you thoughts on the likes of laws, law enforcement, and prisons? To me, their existence suggest human bias more toward greed than cooperation, especially when it seems those who "get caught" constitute the tip of a "everything's okay so long as you can get away with it" iceberg.

Said another way, is it *really* cooperation when it - at least seemingly to me - mostly occurs under threat of punishment if-and-only-if caught?

> Believing that Capitalism is some kind of state of nature is
> obtusely neoliberal and frankly silly. Behavioral genetics is
> unprovable nonsense and people have shown time and time again
> that they can make decisions that seem to violate whatever
> evolutionary drives they might have. So even in the worst
> possible case scenario, Greed and therefore Capitalism are
> inevitable products of the human condition, that doesn't
> prevent us from striving towards a better world regardless.

If people "can make decisions that seem to violate whatever evolutionary drives they might have", I can't help but wonder why so many have seemingly little problem embracing drives against what greater collectives codify in law as acceptable - read: cooperative - behavior.

It seems reasonable to me that the like of "capitalism" (or, as I'd rather put it, "capitalist behavior") originates in roughly the same region the likes of murder, rape, and countless other instances of non-cooperation.

> The rug can't be pulled from under itself, until the rug tries
> realizing all at once that it never was a rug. The presence
> of the rug had made it forget the vast and infinitely tiling
> surface it rested upon. In that moment it knew that no matter
> what direction it choose it was now free from the metaphysical
> confines of the rug and now more able then ever to seek a
> better place.

Oooh, I like that!