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[2022-01-04T00:14:59Z] <sad_plan> ^ I had no issues when building it
[2022-01-04T00:21:23Z] <phoebos> yeah, gcc 11.2.0, lld 13.0.0
[2022-01-04T00:21:51Z] <phoebos> it's not _actually_ while building go, just when kiss looks into the binaries for dependencies
[2022-01-04T00:24:58Z] <dilyn> i c i c
[2022-01-04T00:25:33Z] <dilyn> forgot I had spun up a chroot to test xD one sec
[2022-01-04T00:26:02Z] <dilyn> you're using lld with gcc? what fun
[2022-01-04T00:26:04Z] <dilyn> why not just use mold?
[2022-01-04T00:27:09Z] <dilyn> interesting -- it certainly does segfault...
[2022-01-04T00:28:45Z] <acheam> or just bfd?
[2022-01-04T00:28:56Z] <dilyn> iirc this has happened before tho not with go
[2022-01-04T00:34:16Z] <phoebos> it segfaults with mold too :]
[2022-01-04T00:34:21Z] <phoebos> probably should use mold
[2022-01-04T00:34:36Z] <phoebos> i switched back to lld a while ago after something didn't build
[2022-01-04T00:35:17Z] <dilyn> doesn't segfault for me...
[2022-01-04T00:35:23Z] <dilyn> but it segfaults in the chroot
[2022-01-04T00:35:24Z] <dilyn> hm
[2022-01-04T00:35:28Z] <phoebos> hmhm
[2022-01-04T00:35:37Z] <dilyn> let's uninstall go then rebuild see what happens
[2022-01-04T00:35:56Z] <phoebos> :)
[2022-01-04T00:37:14Z] <dilyn> still doesn't segfault on my normal system...
[2022-01-04T00:37:23Z] <dilyn> hhhhhHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm
[2022-01-04T00:37:36Z] <phoebos> ewwfff
[2022-01-04T00:38:23Z] <noocsharp> it's ldd not lld
[2022-01-04T00:38:50Z] <phoebos> fuck good point lmao
[2022-01-04T00:38:52Z] <dilyn> in this case yes
[2022-01-04T00:39:01Z] <dilyn> I was just curious :v didn't realize people used lld all that much
[2022-01-04T00:39:04Z] <phoebos> maybe i should rebuild musl with something else
[2022-01-04T00:39:20Z] <phoebos> "people"
[2022-01-04T00:39:30Z] <noocsharp> the superior linker you mean?
[2022-01-04T00:39:32Z] <dilyn> what happens if you run ldd yourself on the files in the package kiss spits out?
[2022-01-04T00:39:33Z] <acheam> solution: we all just share dilyn's computer
[2022-01-04T00:39:39Z] <dilyn> mold will soon(tm0 be the superior linker
[2022-01-04T00:39:45Z] <dilyn> you CANNOT have any part of this acheam:P
[2022-01-04T00:39:47Z] <phoebos> dilyn: also segfaults
[2022-01-04T00:39:50Z] <dilyn> your face would melt like the ark of the covenant
[2022-01-04T00:39:54Z] <noocsharp> i think it's a musl bug
[2022-01-04T00:39:55Z] <dilyn> INTERESTING
[2022-01-04T00:39:57Z] <dilyn> on what file?
[2022-01-04T00:40:06Z] <acheam> dilyn: harumph
[2022-01-04T00:40:22Z] <phoebos> umm whatever it was i sent up there ^
[2022-01-04T00:40:42Z] <phoebos> /usr/lib/go/src/debug/elf/testdata/go-relocation-test-gcc930-ranges-with-rela-x86-64
[2022-01-04T00:40:59Z] <phoebos> /usr/lib/go/src/debug/elf/testdata/go-relocation-test-gcc930-ranges-no-rela-x86-64
[2022-01-04T00:41:08Z] <dilyn> see now...
[2022-01-04T00:42:09Z] <noocsharp> i suspect it's because the interpreter is empty
[2022-01-04T00:42:16Z] <phoebos> clearly the relocation test is failing
[2022-01-04T00:42:19Z] <dilyn> it's just a dynamically linked unstripped... empty interpretor
[2022-01-04T00:42:23Z] <noocsharp> but i have no evidence to support that claim
[2022-01-04T00:42:24Z] <dilyn> dammit noochsharp xD
[2022-01-04T00:42:26Z] <dilyn> yes perhaps
[2022-01-04T00:42:33Z] <dilyn> objdump...?
[2022-01-04T00:43:17Z] <dilyn> I mean it has plenty of assembly
[2022-01-04T00:44:39Z] <dilyn> i mean yeah I don't know nearly enough about what ldd would be interested in inside this object to understand the segfault
[2022-01-04T00:44:50Z] <dilyn> rebuild musl and don't strip it, strace ldd on that file see what's up
[2022-01-04T00:45:22Z] <phoebos> segfaults on memset
[2022-01-04T00:45:28Z] <dilyn> ...
[2022-01-04T00:45:32Z] <phoebos> good to know
[2022-01-04T00:45:57Z] <noocsharp> i'm gonna add random printfs to see exactly where
[2022-01-04T00:46:27Z] <phoebos> lmao who needs a debugger
[2022-01-04T00:47:19Z] <dilyn> printf is the only debugger you'll ever need
[2022-01-04T00:47:55Z] <dilyn> http://ix.io/3KVa <- a naive attempt at fucking with maps
[2022-01-04T00:48:10Z] <dilyn> go is an uncomfortable language syntactically sometimes
[2022-01-04T00:48:58Z] <noocsharp> bruh where is libc.so when you compile musl
[2022-01-04T00:49:22Z] <noocsharp> nvm
[2022-01-04T00:49:25Z] <noocsharp> i'm dumb
[2022-01-04T00:49:33Z] <dilyn> it's in the build root:P
[2022-01-04T00:50:58Z] <phoebos> ooh it's in __memcpy_fwd () at src/string/x86_64/memset.s:55
[2022-01-04T00:51:03Z] <phoebos> src/string/x86_64/memset.s: No such file or directory.
[2022-01-04T00:51:12Z] <phoebos> you guys familiar with musl, go figure
[2022-01-04T00:51:40Z] <dilyn> checks out
[2022-01-04T00:51:56Z] <phoebos> mhmhm
[2022-01-04T00:54:16Z] <dilyn> that's odd that you would just... not have memset
[2022-01-04T00:54:19Z] <dilyn> and also NOT have problems
[2022-01-04T00:55:08Z] <phoebos> i mean line 55 is just a mov
[2022-01-04T00:55:15Z] <phoebos> like
[2022-01-04T00:56:00Z] <noocsharp> i think the problem would be in ldso/dynlink.c
[2022-01-04T01:21:52Z] <noocsharp> wait phoebes, did you end up figuring it out?
[2022-01-04T01:21:56Z] <noocsharp> phoebos
[2022-01-04T01:23:59Z] <op_4> would someone be willing to talk me through using tinyramfs? I can't seem to find any docs, and after extracting a config from the test files in the repo, it runs ("creating ramfs structure ..." etc) but doesn't seem to produce anything .. ?
[2022-01-04T01:24:38Z] <op_4> or perhaps point me to somewhere where its usage is outlined
[2022-01-04T01:24:44Z] <phoebos> noocsharp: nope. i don't really have any idea what to do.
[2022-01-04T01:25:03Z] <phoebos> op_4: illiliti is your guru
[2022-01-04T01:25:25Z] <op_4> phoebos: thanks
[2022-01-04T01:25:36Z] <noocsharp> i found the line where it calls memset, now i need to figure out exactly why it's segfaulting
[2022-01-04T01:25:53Z] <phoebos> oh nice
[2022-01-04T01:26:25Z] <phoebos> do you know how to make an object file without an interpreter to test if its just that?
[2022-01-04T01:27:33Z] <noocsharp> patchelf would probably do it, good point, i'm gonna do that myself
[2022-01-04T01:28:24Z] <op_4> hmm, maybe my problem is that i don't have cryptsetup/lvm2 installed
[2022-01-04T01:41:21Z] <noocsharp> it's line 783 of ldso/dynlink.c if you're wondering
[2022-01-04T01:43:48Z] <phoebos> did you find that from printfs
[2022-01-04T01:47:34Z] <noocsharp> indeed
[2022-01-04T01:50:13Z] <phoebos> i am impressed
[2022-01-04T01:53:39Z] <noocsharp> “The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements.”
[2022-01-04T01:53:39Z] <noocsharp> – Brian W. Kernighan
[2022-01-04T01:58:21Z] <acheam> when did he say that?
[2022-01-04T01:58:35Z] <acheam> 1975 vs 2019 is a big difference
[2022-01-04T01:58:44Z] <acheam> but I agree with the sentiment
[2022-01-04T02:56:44Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-01-04T03:00:30Z] <midfavila> nuclear take but if your project is large/complex enough that such a thing is inadequate you're doing something wrong
[2022-01-04T03:00:31Z] <midfavila> also
[2022-01-04T03:00:39Z] <midfavila> late to the punch but yeah fuck mozilla on every level
[2022-01-04T03:01:04Z] <midfavila> they waste their money on political pandering and pay their board way too fucking much all while ignoring what users actually want
[2022-01-04T03:01:13Z] <midfavila> they should have died a while ago
[2022-01-04T03:03:18Z] <midfavila> also hi again op_4
[2022-01-04T03:03:21Z] <midfavila> how's the install going
[2022-01-04T03:10:51Z] <noocsharp> phoebos: it's segfaults because it's trying to memset memory that comes from an mmap without a write flag
[2022-01-04T03:12:13Z] <phoebos> that definitely sounds like a bug
[2022-01-04T03:32:43Z] <op_4> so tinyramfs *almost* works now, except that it's not happy with proc as the device manager or something
[2022-01-04T03:33:22Z] <op_4> so i think i need mdev(d)
[2022-01-04T03:34:29Z] <op_4> but this is pretty close and exciting!
[2022-01-04T03:53:48Z] <acheam> random, but if you didn't know about SysRq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[2022-01-04T03:58:47Z] <op_4> bleh, i'm not sure what's going on. It's so close though (i think)!
[2022-01-04T04:00:02Z] <op_4> initramfs looks good, but errors out with "reload ioctl failed ... invalid argument". Does this ring any bells for ayone? bad kernel config?
[2022-01-04T04:02:37Z] <op_4> seems cryptsetup specific actually
[2022-01-04T04:06:00Z] <op_4> oh lol, no dm_crypt in my kernel config
[2022-01-04T06:24:19Z] <notbaby> Hi, how can I adopt an orphan package?
[2022-01-04T06:28:06Z] <testuser[m]> Send a shithub PR on repo
[2022-01-04T06:58:29Z] <dilyn> ^
[2022-01-04T06:58:47Z] <dilyn> specifically (hopefully you check the logs...) you add a white space at the end of that package's version file
[2022-01-04T06:59:06Z] <dilyn> or if a whitespace already exists, you remove it :v
[2022-01-04T07:55:38Z] <ZombieChicken> Hello. I'm currently installing kiss in a chroot, but keep getting "Using /usr/bin/su (to become 1000)\nsu: unknown user 1000". I get that the user isn't there, but why that specific user ID number?
[2022-01-04T09:35:59Z] <illiliti> ZombieChicken: extract chroot archive as root
[2022-01-04T09:37:15Z] <ZombieChicken> illiliti: That would make sense. Thanks
[2022-01-04T12:43:42Z] <tink> tip: don't compile your kernel back to back multiple times on your laptop while lying in your bed with it on your lap, this is true especially if the laptop is a modern "ultra-thin" model and has been known for years to have heating issues.
[2022-01-04T12:45:28Z] <travankor> are you compiling unneeded modules?
[2022-01-04T13:40:53Z] <soliwilos> https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/YdIfz+LMewetSaEB@gmail.com
[2022-01-04T13:43:00Z] <soliwilos> "comprehensive rework of the Linux kernel's header hierarchy & header dependencies"
[2022-01-04T13:47:36Z] <tink> or you end up frying your laptop
[2022-01-04T14:42:58Z] <op_4> woo, kiss boots! :D
[2022-01-04T14:43:49Z] * op_4 ended up reading the source to tinyramfs and sorting out LVM on LUKS
[2022-01-04T16:20:55Z] <dilyn> tested those patches for the kernel; yeah it builds in seconds now lmfao
[2022-01-04T16:21:11Z] <dilyn> builds faster than... most things I build
[2022-01-04T16:23:38Z] <testuser[m]> Rich
[2022-01-04T16:33:51Z] <dilyn> can't wait for that patch set to land in... how long would a review take I wonder...
[2022-01-04T16:34:00Z] <dilyn> kernel 6.0.0: finally cleaned up our 5.15- headers
[2022-01-04T17:55:57Z] <Acid-Bong> Oi there, kissers.
[2022-01-04T17:55:57Z] <Acid-Bong> If I enabled rtl8723be support in the kernel config, do i still need a separate binary driver for it?
[2022-01-04T18:03:23Z] <testuser[m]> No it should work
[2022-01-04T18:03:27Z] <testuser[m]> If u got the firmware
[2022-01-04T18:30:32Z] <Acid-Bong> the guide says to put the driver into the firmware folder
[2022-01-04T18:31:03Z] <Acid-Bong> should i still do that, if I enabled the support in the kernel config?
[2022-01-04T18:31:42Z] <Acid-Bong> or does kernel parameter serve as a bridge between the kernel and the driver?
[2022-01-04T18:32:56Z] <noocsharp> if it's going in the firmware folder it's probably the firmware, not the driver
[2022-01-04T18:33:09Z] <noocsharp> do you have a link to the guide?
[2022-01-04T18:34:32Z] <testuser[m]> The driver is part of the kernel
[2022-01-04T18:34:35Z] <testuser[m]> Usually
[2022-01-04T18:34:42Z] <testuser[m]> Most probably
[2022-01-04T18:34:43Z] <testuser[m]> Perhaps
[2022-01-04T19:57:13Z] <sad_plan> testuser[m]: ruby doesnt build for me, in my xorg build. log: http://0x0.st/ozAv.txt
[2022-01-04T19:57:23Z] <sad_plan> iirc youre maintaining ruby
[2022-01-04T20:26:01Z] <midfavila> ho, fellow bit-herders
[2022-01-04T20:26:56Z] <sad_plan> heyho mid
[2022-01-04T20:27:27Z] <Acid-Bong> <noocsharp> "do you have a link to the guide?" <- the official one
[2022-01-04T20:28:24Z] <midfavila> it's on the website
[2022-01-04T20:28:37Z] <midfavila> for KISS itself, not Community
[2022-01-04T20:49:24Z] <acheam> hi mid
[2022-01-04T20:49:37Z] <midfavila> Hey.
[2022-01-04T20:49:43Z] <acheam> how do you do
[2022-01-04T20:49:51Z] <midfavila> 'm alright
[2022-01-04T20:49:59Z] <midfavila> Talking with someone I know about how they want to go become a monk.
[2022-01-04T20:50:02Z] <midfavila> drinking tea
[2022-01-04T20:50:15Z] <acheam> what kind of monk?
[2022-01-04T20:50:16Z] <midfavila> thinking about how there's literally years worth of stuff I need to learn and how I'm not doing any of it rn
[2022-01-04T20:50:18Z] <midfavila> the usual
[2022-01-04T20:50:28Z] <midfavila> and idk dude, i think the monastery is eastern orthodox christian?
[2022-01-04T20:50:33Z] <midfavila> so I guess that
[2022-01-04T20:50:44Z] <midfavila> the kind that wears funny robes and uses the julian calendar
[2022-01-04T20:56:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> insert funny laptop joke here
[2022-01-04T20:56:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> christ I really need to get around to writing a not-completely-shit window manager
[2022-01-04T20:56:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> mwm is getting on my nerves
[2022-01-04T20:59:12Z] <sad_plan> whats wrong with the one you use now?
[2022-01-04T21:00:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> doesn't handle EWMH or ICCCM particularly well
[2022-01-04T21:00:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> has a bunch of features I don't care about
[2022-01-04T21:01:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> code is ancient and overcomplicated
[2022-01-04T21:01:26Z] <sad_plan> hm. glazier has support for ewmh afaik. but may no be your cup of tea
[2022-01-04T21:01:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'd really like a simple mostly-EWMH window manager ala twm but no such thing exists from what I've seen
[2022-01-04T21:01:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> never heard of glazier, will peek
[2022-01-04T21:01:38Z] <sad_plan> its rather minimal
[2022-01-04T21:01:46Z] <sad_plan> ill give you a links. gimme a sec
[2022-01-04T21:01:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean, that's fine
[2022-01-04T21:02:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> my system is already pretty barebones
[2022-01-04T21:02:23Z] <sad_plan> https://git.z3bra.org/glazier/log.html
[2022-01-04T21:02:44Z] <sad_plan> I liked it. its one of those whos made wmuils. which I belive your familiar with
[2022-01-04T21:02:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> Yeah, but the fact that they're involved in BitReich is more interesting
[2022-01-04T21:03:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> will definitely give this a shot, thanks
[2022-01-04T21:03:16Z] <sad_plan> whats bitreich? :p
[2022-01-04T21:03:25Z] <sad_plan> nazi stuff?
[2022-01-04T21:03:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> suckless but even more aggressive
[2022-01-04T21:04:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> their presence is mostly via gopher and telnet
[2022-01-04T21:04:22Z] <sad_plan> hm, do they have some sort of website or something, with their software? im always interested in minimal software
[2022-01-04T21:04:45Z] <sad_plan> yeah, i know z3bra made a gopher hole a while ago, which iirc he mostly moved over to
[2022-01-04T21:05:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean, bitreich does have a website, ostensibly :p
[2022-01-04T21:05:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> one sec
[2022-01-04T21:05:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> http://bitreich.org/
[2022-01-04T21:06:32Z] <sad_plan> yeah, its not on the.. web per say, as no regular browser can access it :')
[2022-01-04T21:06:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> sounds like you're using a pretty crap browser t b q h
[2022-01-04T21:07:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> simply plain http my good man
[2022-01-04T21:07:47Z] <sad_plan> lol, im using lynx atm, so im good too :D
[2022-01-04T21:08:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> hmm
[2022-01-04T21:08:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> looks like they wrote a package manager too
[2022-01-04T21:09:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> """package manager"""
[2022-01-04T21:09:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> might have to study that
[2022-01-04T21:09:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> then I shall be free from the terrible reign of kiss
[2022-01-04T21:10:36Z] <phoebos> acheam, noocsharp: does IPv6 work for you on obsd? ping6 <a site> doesn't work on the server, and i can't get pf.conf to let me ping6 my server or anything X|
[2022-01-04T21:18:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> reading the source code of glazier rn and man, what is it with people and multi-line function declarations?
[2022-01-04T21:19:09Z] <midfavila-laptop> like void\nfunc(int param); instead of just void func(int param);
[2022-01-04T21:22:34Z] <sad_plan> yeah, z3bra wrote an implementation of a package manager. iirc its was for his project of making a distro
[2022-01-04T21:22:40Z] <sad_plan> whats wrong with kiss?
[2022-01-04T21:22:50Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's becoming too...
[2022-01-04T21:22:52Z] * midfavila-laptop shudders
[2022-01-04T21:22:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> dare I say it...
[2022-01-04T21:22:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> mainstream
[2022-01-04T21:22:57Z] <sad_plan> i dont know C, so that doesnt really tell me anything tbh
[2022-01-04T21:23:08Z] <sad_plan> aah
[2022-01-04T21:23:17Z] <midfavila-laptop> once kiss had a reddit I knew it was over
[2022-01-04T21:23:40Z] <dilyn> the ruby tarball makes pax a little mad
[2022-01-04T21:23:49Z] <dilyn> pretty sure you need gnutls sad_plan
[2022-01-04T21:23:54Z] <sad_plan> lol, why?
[2022-01-04T21:24:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> because you can never have enough tls libraries
[2022-01-04T21:24:19Z] <sad_plan> I do have gnutls installed. else icu-networking doesnt build, iirc? its listed as a dep iirc
[2022-01-04T21:24:47Z] <dilyn> hmm
[2022-01-04T21:24:53Z] <dilyn> idr how i fixed this last...
[2022-01-04T21:25:00Z] <dilyn> nothing is different in KISS-kde's ruby. weird
[2022-01-04T21:25:02Z] <dilyn> ignore me I suppose
[2022-01-04T21:25:14Z] <sad_plan> now things got a little messed. mid: why did you *knew* it was over for kiss when got a reddit page?
[2022-01-04T21:25:40Z] <noocsharp> phoebos: i tried ping6ing google, doesn't work
[2022-01-04T21:26:01Z] <sad_plan> dilyn: it builds inside a fresh chroot, but not on my build using xorg, for some reason. I managed to build it semi statically aswell, with libressl
[2022-01-04T21:26:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's a complicated question and to answer it we first need to talk about parallel universes, sad_plan
[2022-01-04T21:26:16Z] <sad_plan> ^ lol
[2022-01-04T21:26:21Z] <sad_plan> do you belive in paralell universes?
[2022-01-04T21:26:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> alternatively I can just say that I disdain the sort of behavior reddit encourages and don't want to see it in any communities i'm involved in
[2022-01-04T21:26:36Z] <dilyn> testuser[m]: do you happen to know HOW to make pipewire justwerk(tm) as the thing controlling audio devices? it doesn't seem to respect asoundrc, and I have absolutely no clue on how to change the default audio output device...
[2022-01-04T21:26:46Z] <sad_plan> mid: thats fair
[2022-01-04T21:26:53Z] <dilyn> sad_plan: now that is interesting...
[2022-01-04T21:27:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> as for parallel universes, they're certainly an interesting concept, but whether or not I believe in them is not only irrelevant but also a pointless thing to consider since I'll never be able to know if they do or do not exist
[2022-01-04T21:28:53Z] <sad_plan> dilyn: i knoow.. mid: sadly, we're born in the wrong era. too late to discover earth, too early to discover space
[2022-01-04T21:29:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> just in time to BTFO reddit soydevs and save computing
[2022-01-04T21:29:40Z] <sad_plan> yep
[2022-01-04T21:30:43Z] <sad_plan> lol, I was reading the manifesto of bitreich, and it had a section on suckless. and it only says; 'suckless failed'
[2022-01-04T21:30:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean, they did
[2022-01-04T21:31:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> too little activity and not in many areas that matter
[2022-01-04T21:31:52Z] <noocsharp> also phoebos, i just sent an email to the musl mailing list with my diagnosis of the issue
[2022-01-04T21:32:04Z] <noocsharp> the segfaulting one
[2022-01-04T21:33:37Z] <sad_plan> sure. Ive noticed it myself, developement is moving along very slowly.
[2022-01-04T21:35:11Z] <sad_plan> wait, is sfeed made by bitreich? I didn know
[2022-01-04T21:35:25Z] <dilyn> interestingly ruby fails to build on my own machine with kiss but succeeds without kiss :v
[2022-01-04T21:35:32Z] <dilyn> what version of kiss is your chroot using vs your host?
[2022-01-04T21:36:49Z] <sad_plan> uh, lemme check. but I belive its latest on all of them
[2022-01-04T21:37:05Z] <sad_plan> in static build, its 5.5.28
[2022-01-04T21:37:20Z] <dilyn> f
[2022-01-04T21:37:31Z] <sad_plan> what? isnt that the latest?
[2022-01-04T21:37:53Z] <dilyn> yeah
[2022-01-04T21:38:00Z] <dilyn> i'm using 5.5.27 tho
[2022-01-04T21:38:02Z] <dilyn> :P
[2022-01-04T21:38:14Z] <sad_plan> ah. same in my chroot
[2022-01-04T21:38:29Z] <sad_plan> yep, same on all of them
[2022-01-04T21:38:58Z] <phoebos> noocsharp: cool
[2022-01-04T21:41:13Z] <sad_plan> dilyn: why do you use the earlier version anyway?:p
[2022-01-04T21:51:47Z] <dilyn> dylan has a tendency to rework a variable number of things when he updates kiss
[2022-01-04T21:52:01Z] <dilyn> and maintaining two patches for kiss... I don't feel like updating them to conform to whatever he's changed
[2022-01-04T21:52:36Z] <dilyn> for instance he changed that git sources are cached; which means he probably modified chunks of source retrieval. I don't feel like rereading a fair bit of shell just to ensure all the variables line up properly etc
[2022-01-04T21:52:43Z] <dilyn> i'm fine where I am :v
[2022-01-04T21:53:14Z] <dilyn> i'll update after a new release which incorporates all the stuff done between september and now tho
[2022-01-04T21:59:07Z] <sad_plan> I get that. maintaining patches can at times get tedious if the source changes all the time, especially drastically