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2021-04-23T01:38:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs is like, the most frustrating thing to get working with initrd 2021-04-23T01:39:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> even their own scripts, which exist ostensibly to help initrd writers, are unhelpful garbage 2021-04-23T01:43:21 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word 2021-04-23T01:43:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you are very liberal with the meaning of 'word' :P 2021-04-23T02:08:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dilyn: you'll be happy to know that the spam that i was refering to is not in fact the emails that you were sending 2021-04-23T02:08:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> thank goodness :v 2021-04-23T02:09:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> strange coincidence tho 2021-04-23T02:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> zoomer filesystem is dogshit dilyn 2021-04-23T02:31:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop using it 2021-04-23T02:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> also 2021-04-23T02:31:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> can #kisslinux hit me with a simple mandoc implementation? 2021-04-23T02:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> gnu mandoc is pissing me off 2021-04-23T02:33:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> there's a gnu mandoc? 2021-04-23T02:33:55 #kisslinux <acheam> gnu mandoc? 2021-04-23T02:33:57 #kisslinux <acheam> jinx 2021-04-23T02:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> as far as I know, yeah 2021-04-23T02:34:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its not the one used on kiss if there is one 2021-04-23T02:34:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I though mandoc was an openbsd thing 2021-04-23T02:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> the one I use is from the grepo repo 2021-04-23T02:34:38 #kisslinux <acheam> Doesn't GNU use their own help system thing? 2021-04-23T02:34:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, info 2021-04-23T02:34:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is fucking awful 2021-04-23T02:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> "hm, yes, let me write a hypertext help system" 2021-04-23T02:35:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but basically, 2021-04-23T02:35:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want something to view manpages that's not a full mandoc. 2021-04-23T02:35:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, I'd use less on its own if I didn't find the tags distracting. 2021-04-23T02:36:02 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't the gkiss mandoc come from the main repo? 2021-04-23T02:36:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that it does 2021-04-23T02:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw I tried building the latest oBSD mandoc tarball and it doesn't work. 2021-04-23T02:36:57 #kisslinux <acheam> logs. logs. logs. 2021-04-23T02:37:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah, it's whatever. 2021-04-23T02:37:41 #kisslinux <acheam> AFAIK GNU doens't have any manpage system 2021-04-23T02:37:46 #kisslinux <acheam> there is mandoc and man-db primarily 2021-04-23T02:37:58 #kisslinux <acheam> man-db is developed on savannah, but on the nongnu part of it 2021-04-23T02:38:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> What's the difference between mandoc and man-db, practically speaking? 2021-04-23T02:39:01 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't think there is a huge difference? 2021-04-23T02:39:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I've heard that mandoc is lighter though 2021-04-23T02:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm. 2021-04-23T02:39:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I feel like mandoc is a bit much for KISS, honestly. 2021-04-23T02:40:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> toybox man is the answer 2021-04-23T02:40:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not installing toybox >:c 2021-04-23T02:40:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Go away 2021-04-23T02:40:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> /shrug 2021-04-23T02:40:19 #kisslinux <acheam> because i'm on Arch ATM I can't really test 2021-04-23T02:40:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> mandoc is basically what you want tho 2021-04-23T02:40:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> use mandoc instead of man 2021-04-23T02:40:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> mandoc provides man 2021-04-23T02:40:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's what I currently use 2021-04-23T02:40:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and what I would like to be rid of 2021-04-23T02:40:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> right but like 2021-04-23T02:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is the problem idgi 2021-04-23T02:41:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> the man-db package is just POSIX files ain't it lmao 2021-04-23T02:41:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> mandoc, despite being the lighter of the two, includes a ton of crap that I don't care about in the least. PDF output, HTML output, etc etc etc 2021-04-23T02:41:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely useless. 2021-04-23T02:41:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> just give me plaintext files 2021-04-23T02:42:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> mandoc barely processes manpages and then just prints them all to stdout 2021-04-23T02:42:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> doesn't even put them in a pager 2021-04-23T02:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, I know 2021-04-23T02:42:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> can you not just disable the extras 2021-04-23T02:42:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't believe so. Would be nice if that's an option 2021-04-23T02:43:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mandoc is so teensy it doesn't even have ./configure --help 2021-04-23T02:43:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if you're trying to make your system smaller, there are probably bigger things than this 2021-04-23T02:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yes 2021-04-23T02:44:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I cared about size above everything else I'd just rm -rf /usr/share/man 2021-04-23T02:44:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fork mandoc and remove the html and pdf stuff 2021-04-23T02:44:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I might. Would be a good project. 2021-04-23T02:45:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its always fun to methodically rip code out of something 2021-04-23T02:46:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> unrelated but god, I hate the buzzwordification of minimalism 2021-04-23T02:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> see all these stupid setups on r/unixporn where it's "minimalist" because it uses a tiling WM, meanwhile there's over 2k packages. 2021-04-23T02:48:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it's just nord with an luke smith's st... 2021-04-23T02:48:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i remember finding nord on github and thinking that it was actually okay 2021-04-23T02:48:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then I saw that they licensed it 2021-04-23T02:48:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I promptly laughed my ass off 2021-04-23T02:48:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> get your fucking colorscheme licensing out of here 2021-04-23T02:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think in terms of pre-made schemes, I actually like gruvbox-dark the most 2021-04-23T02:50:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats what i use 2021-04-23T02:50:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> >agreeing with me 2021-04-23T02:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow based 2021-04-23T02:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, rather, more accurately, 2021-04-23T02:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> >consooming the same product as me 2021-04-23T02:51:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> colorschemes as a service 2021-04-23T02:51:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> dracula pro bby 2021-04-23T02:52:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> "Dracula PRO is a color scheme and UI theme tailored for programming" 2021-04-23T02:52:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what do these words mean 2021-04-23T02:52:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Syntax highlighting! 2021-04-23T02:52:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Vim! 2021-04-23T02:52:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Object-oriented! 2021-04-23T02:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Programming, by rockstars, for rockstars! 2021-04-23T02:53:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> Buzzword! 2021-04-23T02:53:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it means that the creators are dunning-krueger twats who are too far up their own asses 2021-04-23T02:54:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> they deserve to be laughed at with maximum cruelty. 2021-04-23T02:55:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i chose my colorscheme because it lets me have most of my terminal text be a variation of pink, and I like pink 2021-04-23T02:55:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> ha 2021-04-23T02:55:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay 2021-04-23T02:55:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> pink can be a nice color 2021-04-23T02:56:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're half-right 2021-04-23T02:56:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I find most pinks are extremely garish 2021-04-23T02:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and just... eye-bleeding 2021-04-23T02:56:16 #kisslinux <acheam> haha yes proprietary color schems 2021-04-23T02:56:19 #kisslinux <acheam> thats the funniest shit 2021-04-23T02:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> proprietary color schemes for free software as a service 2021-04-23T02:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum soy 2021-04-23T02:56:35 #kisslinux <acheam> like, its dracula but you randomly switched some hex codes 2021-04-23T02:56:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I have copywritten these specific wavelengths in these specific orders. pay me" 2021-04-23T02:57:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dracula comes with a license for not 1, not 2, but 3 computers 2021-04-23T02:57:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fucking shit batman 2021-04-23T02:57:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a value if I've ever seen one 2021-04-23T02:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> sign me up 2021-04-23T02:57:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> If I change the color accuracy of my monitor, does it change whether my license for that PC is revoked 2021-04-23T02:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes 2021-04-23T02:58:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> good 2021-04-23T02:58:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> slightly lower the blues == infinite licenses 2021-04-23T02:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> advanced piratical swashbuckling you're doing there 2021-04-23T02:58:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum respect 2021-04-23T03:00:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc 2021-04-23T03:00:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> i am, after all, a loonix youser 2021-04-23T03:00:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> a follower of linyos torovoltos, notorious soviet computer hacker 2021-04-23T03:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bet you use one of those dangerous 128kbps connections, too 2021-04-23T03:25:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi 2021-04-23T03:26:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m] 2021-04-23T03:26:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo 2021-04-23T03:46:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> any of you guys have 3D printers? 2021-04-23T03:47:50 #kisslinux <acheam> no but I have access to one 2021-04-23T03:48:12 #kisslinux <acheam> are you curious about kissability? 2021-04-23T03:48:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Stupid question, but it's something I'm interested in a lot: do you know if they can be used to manufacture tooling? 2021-04-23T03:48:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g can I print a screwdriver that's not completely useless, assuming proper filament? 2021-04-23T03:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never used one before, but I've heard that a lot of them are too low detail to print smaller things, like nuts and screws and stuff. 2021-04-23T03:49:15 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, it won't be super strong 2021-04-23T03:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can print anything assuming proper filament 2021-04-23T03:49:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can print a gun 2021-04-23T03:49:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, i know you can print a gun 2021-04-23T03:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> defense distributed is nifty 2021-04-23T03:49:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've seen some impressive stuff printed using... god, I can't remember the filament 2021-04-23T03:49:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> the gun doesn't explode in your face, i imagine the screwdriver is adequate for a phillips #2 2021-04-23T03:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I recall that it requires a super hot extruder head or whatever 2021-04-23T03:50:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, it was this hook that could lift almost a full ton before breaking 2021-04-23T03:50:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> jeez 2021-04-23T03:50:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely 3D printed 2021-04-23T03:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I figure, if you could use that to manufacture tools and parts, it would be an awesome use for a printer 2021-04-23T03:51:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, shit, i'd be willing to drop a few hundred bucks if you told me I'd never run out of screws ever again. 2021-04-23T03:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, like, 2021-04-23T03:51:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> "man, I could really use a couple new shelves. time to print some." 2021-04-23T03:52:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know, how pedestrian. but I like the idea of having my own little factory 2021-04-23T03:55:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's the unix philosophy applied to nondigital objects 2021-04-23T03:55:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I think you're over estimating how much a 3d printer can do 2021-04-23T03:55:49 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-23T03:56:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> the printer required is probably more expensive than what most people would consider affordable 2021-04-23T03:56:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ehrmagahd I hate this etextbook 2021-04-23T03:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, yes, because I've never used one 2021-04-23T03:56:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> print books omg 2021-04-23T03:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can only go off what I've seen 2021-04-23T03:56:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's the future 2021-04-23T03:56:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is either "wow this is fucking dogshit" 2021-04-23T03:56:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> or "wow, that's pretty amazing" 2021-04-23T03:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> thing is, most 3D printers I've seen in use have been for trivial things 2021-04-23T03:57:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> at most it's like 2021-04-23T03:57:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> a vase, or a pencil holder, or something 2021-04-23T03:57:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is novel, I guess, but not terribly useful. 2021-04-23T03:58:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i know of a guy who uses his 3D printer to create scale replicas of complicated Star Wars universe objects 2021-04-23T03:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, and that's very cool and all 2021-04-23T03:58:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> no you should do that 2021-04-23T03:59:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't use a replica of han solo's blaster as a hammer 2021-04-23T04:00:14 #kisslinux <acheam> ? 2021-04-23T04:00:16 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc you can 2021-04-23T04:00:20 #kisslinux <acheam> who is there to stop you 2021-04-23T04:00:24 #kisslinux <acheam> nobody 2021-04-23T04:00:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> sudo 2021-04-23T04:00:29 #kisslinux <acheam> get out there and follow your dreams 2021-04-23T04:00:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> *doas 2021-04-23T04:00:36 #kisslinux <acheam> doas kiss r sudo 2021-04-23T04:00:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> sls* 2021-04-23T04:00:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> doas is bloat 2021-04-23T04:00:50 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ssu* 2021-04-23T04:01:02 #kisslinux <acheam> doas is the right balance for me 2021-04-23T04:01:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> alias sls=ssu 2021-04-23T04:01:08 #kisslinux <acheam> not too bloat, not too light 2021-04-23T04:01:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> same here, for now 2021-04-23T04:01:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> my privilege escalation tool doesn't need its own configuration file 2021-04-23T04:01:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh 2021-04-23T04:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> use extended security attributes. 2021-04-23T04:01:35 #kisslinux <acheam> although I do wish that doas would let you use the password of the root user 2021-04-23T04:01:37 #kisslinux <acheam> like sudo can 2021-04-23T04:01:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude 2021-04-23T04:01:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> su 2021-04-23T04:01:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it literally exists 2021-04-23T04:02:02 #kisslinux <acheam> but I like my fine grained config file 2021-04-23T04:02:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's fine and good 2021-04-23T04:02:33 #kisslinux <acheam> su also doesn't insult me when I type my password wrong 2021-04-23T04:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but have you considered just using SMACK 2021-04-23T04:02:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fork it 2021-04-23T04:02:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Smack-tux.svg 2021-04-23T04:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at this logo 2021-04-23T04:02:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's amazing 2021-04-23T04:02:57 #kisslinux <acheam> what a logo 2021-04-23T04:03:02 #kisslinux <acheam> we should start a logo hall of fame 2021-04-23T04:03:09 #kisslinux <acheam> Smack and mlmmj are in it as of now 2021-04-23T04:03:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you've ever seen srpelo's videos, 2021-04-23T04:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it reminds me of that 2021-04-23T04:03:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... that version of tux 2021-04-23T04:03:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> slapping the shit out of people trying to break in to your system 2021-04-23T04:03:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's *amazing* 2021-04-23T04:03:48 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: i guess it wouldn't be that hard to patch into busybox 2021-04-23T04:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/busybox/bloatbox/ 2021-04-23T04:03:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> it's *amazing* 2021-04-23T04:04:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off bot 2021-04-23T04:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have one goddamn job 2021-04-23T04:04:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c 2021-04-23T04:05:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuckin' triangles 2021-04-23T04:05:58 #kisslinux <acheam> its always them triangles 2021-04-23T04:06:13 #kisslinux <acheam> in quadrilateral gang we never have these problems 2021-04-23T04:06:23 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: parallelogram the official shape of KISS? 2021-04-23T04:07:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> square circle squad 2021-04-23T04:09:51 #kisslinux <acheam> squircle? 2021-04-23T04:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> blurple squircle 2021-04-23T04:12:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum neo-corporatism 2021-04-23T04:13:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> suggestion for next sotd acheam 2021-04-23T04:13:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=YSshQu9rQLc 2021-04-23T04:14:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> MOTHER has fantastic music 2021-04-23T04:26:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. I wonder if you could set KISS up with an alternate file hierarchy. 2021-04-23T04:27:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why not 2021-04-23T04:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> in theory? nothing 2021-04-23T04:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> in practicality? you'd have to modify every single build script 2021-04-23T04:28:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just s|/usr|/some/path| to all the build files 2021-04-23T04:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually, you know what, I just realized 2021-04-23T04:28:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what kind of alternate file hierarchy? 2021-04-23T04:28:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> modifying every single build file is easy shit with find and sed 2021-04-23T04:28:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, I dunno. 2021-04-23T04:28:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was thinking of eliminating /home 2021-04-23T04:29:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and cleaning up /usr 2021-04-23T04:29:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> have you seen oasis? 2021-04-23T04:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah. 2021-04-23T04:29:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's interesting. 2021-04-23T04:29:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it gets rid of /usr entirely 2021-04-23T04:29:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm. 2021-04-23T04:29:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think /usr is fine for *users* 2021-04-23T04:29:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> but nothing else should be under that 2021-04-23T04:30:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so basically replace /home with /usr? 2021-04-23T04:30:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> that, and remove opt 2021-04-23T04:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> just kinda, clean up the basics. 2021-04-23T04:30:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing too crazy. 2021-04-23T04:30:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so not gobo? 2021-04-23T04:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> not gobo. 2021-04-23T04:31:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I'd probably remove /mnt, too, come to think of it 2021-04-23T04:31:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> just let users mount in their home directory 2021-04-23T04:32:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> //root? 2021-04-23T04:32:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> that too, honestly. 2021-04-23T04:32:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't like root having its own home directory. 2021-04-23T04:32:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I set root's home to /dev/null 2021-04-23T04:33:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> hmm, i might have to try that 2021-04-23T04:33:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...maybe move var to sit under sys, too 2021-04-23T04:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> since var is for system variables right? 2021-04-23T04:33:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Sys is a pseudofs 2021-04-23T04:34:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> clearly the solution is to kick the can down the road 2021-04-23T04:34:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> /sys/pfs/ for sysfs, /sys/tmp for tmpfs, /sys/var... 2021-04-23T04:34:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I dunno. 2021-04-23T04:34:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> just kind of running with this 2021-04-23T04:34:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i dont think you can even do that because of what testuser said 2021-04-23T04:35:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> with /var at least 2021-04-23T04:35:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, why not? Just remount the pseudofs somewhere else, beneath the sys directory 2021-04-23T04:35:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> /sys/sys? 2021-04-23T04:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, above I suggested /sys/pfs 2021-04-23T04:35:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What about other programs that rely on /sys stuff, you'll have to symlink /sys/sys/* to /sys 2021-04-23T04:35:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, obviously 2021-04-23T04:36:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence the "just kind of running with this" 2021-04-23T04:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr a lot of stuff in root is either redundant or can be shuffled under /sys, as far as I'm concerned. 2021-04-23T04:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> in practice, likely impractical, if only due to its deviant nature 2021-04-23T04:37:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i dont see the point of putting other things in /sys 2021-04-23T04:37:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its just sweeping them under the rug 2021-04-23T04:38:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, yes. it's reorganization 2021-04-23T04:38:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> with no practical benefit besides being able to brag about how few directories you have in root 2021-04-23T04:38:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so no practical benefits 2021-04-23T04:39:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, well, you can run your system how you want 2021-04-23T04:39:26 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fair enough 2021-04-23T05:44:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> an attempt was made to allow users to specify every installdir with envvars for kiss 2021-04-23T05:44:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was ultimately decided to be too delicate and volatile to generalize 2021-04-23T05:44:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you could certainly try; like muevoid's fork (muelinux) attempted it 2021-04-23T07:53:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi claudia02 2021-04-23T07:57:37 #kisslinux <claudia02> midfavila: re 3d printing: I have printed some threads in pla. Starting with m4 and bigger they are pretty usable 2021-04-23T07:57:43 #kisslinux <claudia02> morning testuser_[m] 2021-04-23T07:58:23 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3047415 Look at this plane in pla. They use m4 thread to hold the wings on a shaft which works pretty good ( have printed this). 2021-04-23T08:01:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> But for something like a nut or screwdriver I see no chance for something useable in PLA.( Hihgh wear on a small surface) 2021-04-23T08:02:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> PLA starts to melt (gets weak) at 60 degrees. So you have to watch out for sunlight (surface temparature). 2021-04-23T08:13:29 #kisslinux <spryc> how do i apply the no perl kernel �patch? like this? 2021-04-23T08:13:29 #kisslinux <spryc> patch < /usr/share/doc/kiss/wiki/kernel/patches/kernel-no-perl.patch 2021-04-23T08:14:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> spryc: s/patch/patch -p1 2021-04-23T08:15:14 #kisslinux <spryc> https://privatebin.net/?5a92d186ae0625f1#EYx3rboGGZqk5zqRYbTLc4iJ3VEcMiztJgJ24ZK2ChCa 2021-04-23T08:15:46 #kisslinux <spryc> did the patch with �p1 2021-04-23T08:18:46 #kisslinux <tink> There's a thread on the subreddit about applying the perl patch 2021-04-23T08:21:03 #kisslinux <tink> https://libredd.it/r/kisslinux/comments/jvfwvh/why_do_i_need_the_perl_patch_and_how_do_i_apply_it/ 2021-04-23T08:22:42 #kisslinux <spryc> i did what it said 2021-04-23T08:24:19 #kisslinux <spryc> https://privatebin.net/?5a92d186ae0625f1#EYx3rboGGZqk5zqRYbTLc4iJ3VEcMiztJgJ24ZK2ChCa 2021-04-23T08:25:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess they added more perl scripts 2021-04-23T08:25:58 #kisslinux <tink> is it 5.11 2021-04-23T08:26:20 #kisslinux <spryc> this is 5.11.16 2021-04-23T13:21:10 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://i.imgur.com/TLC6kJA.png 2021-04-23T13:21:15 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Can someone help with that? 2021-04-23T13:24:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Same with gpt. 2021-04-23T13:25:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> have you tried modifying the grub command to see if you just had the wrong disk set? 2021-04-23T13:28:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://k1sslinux.org/install#9.3 what were your options here 2021-04-23T13:29:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Well, no actually, but the problem is that the grub don't seem to be noticing any of disks... 2021-04-23T13:30:46 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> BIOS version of install 2021-04-23T13:32:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what is your disk setup? how is everything partitioned? 2021-04-23T13:33:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Unfortunaly, pastebin is seems to be down, so i coudn't send you an grub.cfg but that's quite default preset. 2021-04-23T13:33:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you could try ix.io or 0x0.st as well 2021-04-23T13:46:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/mhhQp 2021-04-23T13:50:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what's your disk partitioning look like? 2021-04-23T13:53:21 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Oh, forgot about that. Sorry. 2021-04-23T13:54:00 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/PMGgO 2021-04-23T13:59:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and what was the command you ran to install grub? 2021-04-23T14:01:46 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> As always, grub-install /dev/sdb & grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 2021-04-23T14:01:48 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/GSxwS 2021-04-23T14:03:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sorry, i meant `$ grub-install /dev/sdX` 2021-04-23T14:03:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so sdb 2021-04-23T14:03:54 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Check last paste. 2021-04-23T14:03:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but should it be on sda? 2021-04-23T14:04:08 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> No, it doesn't matter. 2021-04-23T14:04:40 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> There are UUID-system as you clearly see. 2021-04-23T14:05:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> But.. That's a good point, i could try. 2021-04-23T14:05:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think you can also specify UUID to grub 2021-04-23T14:06:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> maybe after-the-install, i don't recall tbh 2021-04-23T14:10:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> o/ 2021-04-23T14:10:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> managed to get kiss to boot on my laptop 2021-04-23T14:10:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> only 2021-04-23T14:10:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> awesome! 2021-04-23T14:10:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> it doesn't get past the initial loading linux message... 2021-04-23T14:10:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice 2021-04-23T14:10:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> XD 2021-04-23T14:11:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so close! 2021-04-23T14:11:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> but yeah, figured out what I was doing wrong with the bootloader thing 2021-04-23T14:11:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I may have chosen incorrect config options on the kernel? 2021-04-23T14:13:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> also (I know it's off topic but I want to talk about it) I've moved into my first apartment 2021-04-23T14:13:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> No more sharing! 2021-04-23T14:14:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok I'm done with being off-topci 2021-04-23T14:14:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/topci/topic/ 2021-04-23T14:14:43 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> ok I'm done with being off-topic 2021-04-23T14:18:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> congratulations! got a spot set aside for your newly KISS laptop yet? 2021-04-23T14:21:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> sort of I bought two new computer desks as my previously current one has kinda fallen apart (it is over 7 years old at this point) 2021-04-23T14:21:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> so I'm waiting for them, an electric standing desk for work stuff 2021-04-23T14:22:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> and a normal one for my main PC 2021-04-23T14:22:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'll probably use the workdesk for both work and using this linux laptop 2021-04-23T14:22:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> becuase I'm too easily distracted, it's easier to be in work/personal coding mode if I'm away from my gaming setup 2021-04-23T14:24:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> I reaaaaly want it to work with Kiss 2021-04-23T14:24:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> as you can do some awesome stuff (plus I really like the idea of customising a whole OS) 2021-04-23T14:24:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I must admit the ease of setup on ubuntu (or garuda) is kinda attracting me 2021-04-23T14:27:36 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> The answer is no. 2021-04-23T14:28:01 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Same with hd0. 2021-04-23T14:28:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't like the direction the main distros are taking with respect to flatpaks/snaps/the like 2021-04-23T14:28:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> ominous_anonymou what do you mean? 2021-04-23T14:28:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and darn dKaFucy617DzhBet i was hoping it was just a "simple" misconfiguration 2021-04-23T14:28:54 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> It's impossible actually. 2021-04-23T14:29:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it was strange, grub was looking at disk 0 even though the grub configuration specified disk 1 2021-04-23T14:29:43 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Grub don't want to see any disk. 2021-04-23T14:29:59 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> In rescue mode on 'ls' it returns null. 2021-04-23T14:30:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> thermatix i'm not a fan of flatpaks or snaps, and ubuntu is increasingly forcing their snap store on users 2021-04-23T14:30:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmmm, yeah that would irritate me as well 2021-04-23T14:32:21 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Any other thoughts about this quite weird situation? 2021-04-23T14:32:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> not from me :( hopefully someone else can chime in 2021-04-23T14:34:19 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Use syslinux instead? :P 2021-04-23T14:34:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> dKaFucy617DzhBet what's the problem? is grub booting up but not showing any selection? 2021-04-23T14:34:30 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Yep. 2021-04-23T14:34:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-23T14:34:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> I had that 2021-04-23T14:34:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm not sure if this will work for you 2021-04-23T14:34:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> bit 2021-04-23T14:34:50 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://i.imgur.com/TLC6kJA.png 2021-04-23T14:34:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/bit/but 2021-04-23T14:34:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/bit/but/ 2021-04-23T14:34:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> but 2021-04-23T14:35:05 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/mhhQp 2021-04-23T14:35:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmm 2021-04-23T14:35:10 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/PMGgO 2021-04-23T14:35:14 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/GSxwS 2021-04-23T14:35:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> are you bios mode? 2021-04-23T14:35:29 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> + 2021-04-23T14:35:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-23T14:35:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> then... I'm not sure I can help 2021-04-23T14:36:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> I solved my issue but changing the boot mount from /boot/EFI to /boot and then reinstalled grub and grub recognized linux 2021-04-23T14:37:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Yeah, i know that. But mounting /boot is ONLY for UEFI-systems. 2021-04-23T14:37:52 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> In my case, there are an problem, that grub doesn't see ANY of disk. 2021-04-23T14:39:05 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> To 'ls' in rescue mode in rescue mode it just responds with null. 2021-04-23T14:40:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm genuinly sorry I'm not able to be of any help 2021-04-23T14:41:47 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Anyway, thank you for trying to help at least. 2021-04-23T14:42:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I'm not even sure where to begin on this 2021-04-23T14:42:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm still pretty new to this as well 2021-04-23T14:44:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are you able to manually select a different boot device? 2021-04-23T14:44:27 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> wdym? 2021-04-23T14:44:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so when you first turn on the computer, usually it's "hit f12 to select a boot device" 2021-04-23T14:44:57 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> It's virtualbox. 2021-04-23T14:45:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok so it should be f12 2021-04-23T14:45:32 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> I guess. 2021-04-23T14:45:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> on the VirtualBox splash screen when you first start the VM up 2021-04-23T14:47:26 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Yea, pretty much it will work, at least, i've installing ksl from the alpinelinux chroot. 2021-04-23T14:47:29 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> The disks are ok. 2021-04-23T14:47:37 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> they are visible to linux. 2021-04-23T14:48:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> i used archlabs :P 2021-04-23T14:50:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dKaFucy617DzhBet I just wanted to confirm that when you get to this screen: https://0x0.st/-mbf.png you have both hard disks listed 2021-04-23T14:52:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if they're not listed there, they won't be available for grub to see 2021-04-23T14:54:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> welp, got to go now, bb 2021-04-23T14:57:54 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://i.imgur.com/UgP94lb.png 2021-04-23T14:58:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> interesting 2021-04-23T14:58:37 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Indeed sir. 2021-04-23T14:58:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and if you select the secondary one, any different results? 2021-04-23T14:59:11 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> In secondary is alpinelinux, served only to bootup ksl. 2021-04-23T14:59:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> First is ksl. 2021-04-23T14:59:35 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Where is placed grub. 2021-04-23T15:00:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> >grub 2021-04-23T15:02:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what happens when you select the second one to boot from? alpine boots up? 2021-04-23T15:02:13 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Same. 2021-04-23T15:02:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Nothing changes. 2021-04-23T15:03:56 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Ah.. I mean AL boots up instead of ksl, obviously. 2021-04-23T15:04:30 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> As i said before, it's probably grub problem. 2021-04-23T15:04:41 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> So i'll try syslinux. 2021-04-23T15:04:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it sounds like you want to dual-boot 2021-04-23T15:05:09 #kisslinux <aarng> >>grub 2021-04-23T15:05:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> >>> 2021-04-23T15:05:19 #kisslinux <aarng> no idea why dylan chose grub 2021-04-23T15:05:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> should have gone with syslinux. 2021-04-23T15:05:39 #kisslinux <aarng> probably because it's the most common and he didn't use it himself 2021-04-23T15:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but muh principles 2021-04-23T15:06:13 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Any syslinux-users here? 2021-04-23T15:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use it. 2021-04-23T15:07:14 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> ok 2021-04-23T15:09:00 #kisslinux <aarng> I tried to use efistub without adding a boot entry 2021-04-23T15:09:09 #kisslinux <aarng> named the kernel properly and everything 2021-04-23T15:09:16 #kisslinux <aarng> doesn't get picked up by my board 2021-04-23T15:09:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> >your bootloader enforces a kernel naming scheme 2021-04-23T15:09:33 #kisslinux <aarng> I wonder what special sauce pen drives use 2021-04-23T15:09:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally none. 2021-04-23T15:09:42 #kisslinux <konimex> <aarng "no idea why dylan chose grub"> dependencies, perhaps? 2021-04-23T15:10:01 #kisslinux <aarng> perhaps, no idea what the deps of the most common boot loaders even are 2021-04-23T15:10:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only dependency that syslinux has is like 2021-04-23T15:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> util-linux, I think 2021-04-23T15:10:14 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Wow, there are no syslinux in repos. 2021-04-23T15:10:21 #kisslinux <aarng> midfavila literally none. 2021-04-23T15:10:24 #kisslinux <aarng> that's what i thought too 2021-04-23T15:10:34 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> What a completely geniune move. 2021-04-23T15:10:37 #kisslinux <konimex> for BIOS or for UEFI? 2021-04-23T15:11:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila 2021-04-23T15:11:04 #kisslinux <aarng> maybe it's that my board only looks for bootx64.efi on usb devices or some shit 2021-04-23T15:11:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> extlinux is in my ports collection 2021-04-23T15:11:11 #kisslinux <konimex> I'm not familiar with syslinux but looking at void's build files it requires gnu-efi for uefi systems, hence GRUB 2021-04-23T15:11:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> the obvious answer is to stop being a fucking UEFI brainlet 2021-04-23T15:11:38 #kisslinux <konimex> you tell dylan that, then 2021-04-23T15:11:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if he comes back, I will 2021-04-23T15:12:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> didn't he use an old memepad, anyway? probably ran BIOS instead of UEFI. 2021-04-23T15:12:08 #kisslinux <aarng> uefi is already there, might as well use it 2021-04-23T15:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not muh minimalism 2021-04-23T15:12:16 #kisslinux <aarng> get a board without it if you hate it so much 2021-04-23T15:12:29 #kisslinux <aarng> eeh, but it's one less package 2021-04-23T15:12:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> already did, but thanks for the suggestion 2021-04-23T15:12:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> syslinux needs perl for make 2021-04-23T15:12:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so its a no for main repo 2021-04-23T15:12:45 #kisslinux <konimex> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20191010#c2744860 2021-04-23T15:12:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's actually a good reason 2021-04-23T15:13:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> testuser_ It's only make dependency, you could remove it after installation. 2021-04-23T15:13:26 #kisslinux <aarng> how awful is the perl script? 2021-04-23T15:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> come on. 2021-04-23T15:14:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's perl. 2021-04-23T15:14:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know the answer is "extremely awful" 2021-04-23T15:15:38 #kisslinux <aarng> nvm, there is tons of perl anyway 2021-04-23T15:16:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like perl would be more usable if CPAN wasn't a hot mess 2021-04-23T15:16:48 #kisslinux <aarng> if it was only a couple smallish scripts, maybe rewriting in awk could've been an option 2021-04-23T15:17:09 #kisslinux <aarng> I prefer perl over python at least 2021-04-23T15:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> python is an incredibly low bar to clear, though 2021-04-23T15:17:37 #kisslinux <aarng> true 2021-04-23T15:17:47 #kisslinux <aarng> but still mostly the same use case 2021-04-23T15:17:54 #kisslinux <konimex> at the very least perl doesn't require myraids of GNU-only tools 2021-04-23T15:17:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> Eeeeeeeeeeeeh 2021-04-23T15:18:04 #kisslinux <konimex> s/myraids/myriads 2021-04-23T15:18:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I would argue that perl is more focused than python 2021-04-23T15:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least in my opinion, perl is in the same category as tools like sed, awk, cut, tr, etc 2021-04-23T15:18:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> python is just import solution from stdlib 2021-04-23T15:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=JLZIfw1hUao 2021-04-23T15:20:16 #kisslinux <aarng> what's up with LILO besides it not supporting uefi? 2021-04-23T15:20:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want UEFI use ELILO 2021-04-23T15:20:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than that... 2021-04-23T15:20:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> LILO can just be funky sometimes 2021-04-23T15:20:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've had it build and execute properly in userspace, but then fail as a bootloader 2021-04-23T15:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> interestingly, stealing another distribution's binary works fine 2021-04-23T15:22:18 #kisslinux <aarng> we could also change to LILO and suggest efistub to people who want to use uefi 2021-04-23T15:22:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i feel like they could've just added an entry to their alpine grub configuration pointing at the other disk 2021-04-23T15:22:59 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, it's probably pebkac 2021-04-23T15:23:15 #kisslinux <aarng> but grub still sucks :p 2021-04-23T15:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> GRUB is impressively bad 2021-04-23T15:24:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never had it install cleanly 2021-04-23T15:24:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, there was one time that it refused to overwrite LILO's boot sector code 2021-04-23T15:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was confusing as hell to troubleshoot 2021-04-23T15:25:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it goes super smooth on my VMs 2021-04-23T15:26:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but i'm not doing multiple-virtual-disks-with-multiple-OS setups or anything crazy 2021-04-23T15:26:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the one issue i've had on physical machines was my own fault, overwriting MBR 2021-04-23T15:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a yikes moment for sure 2021-04-23T15:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of bootloaders and disks 2021-04-23T15:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone have experience with booting from one disk into a rootfs on another? 2021-04-23T15:32:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is that what chainloading is meant to help with? 2021-04-23T15:33:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik chainloading boots into another bootloader, for weird system support 2021-04-23T15:33:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g windows, haiku, whatever 2021-04-23T15:33:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> last time I tried, I was able to load a kernel, but not a rootfs 2021-04-23T15:39:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://0x0.st/-mbR.png 2021-04-23T15:40:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> doing some sec+ practice questions 2021-04-23T15:40:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> very disappointed in this one. 2021-04-23T15:46:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Whats sec+ 2021-04-23T15:46:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> basic computer security cert. 2021-04-23T15:46:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm aiming for Net, Sec, and Linux+ before I finish my college program 2021-04-23T15:46:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> after that, probably GSEC and then OSCP 2021-04-23T15:58:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> crosstool-ng is wicked powerful. but it basically turned my static toolchain blog post into a noop :( 2021-04-23T16:00:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> nah, it didn't, i like being able to "do it myself" as opposed to relying on a tool so your blog post is still useful 2021-04-23T16:00:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not abusing m4 and awk to autogenerate pages 2021-04-23T16:01:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely cringe. 2021-04-23T16:01:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> very fair. my blog is mostly just a place to store documentation for my own reference later anyways 2021-04-23T16:03:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> but now that i've done this i can slide it into community and now whenever somebody asks 'how can i move KISS to $archoftheyear we can say 'have you heard of this new kid on the block' 2021-04-23T16:06:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol i'd still completely fail but at least there'd be a different tool to try! 2021-04-23T16:14:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: help 2021-04-23T16:19:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> here 2 halp 2021-04-23T16:22:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Can you run this chromium build for me, i tested the previous version on musl but they updated it and I also lost my ccache so can't build it again.. 2021-04-23T16:22:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Changed some flags too https://github.com/git-bruh/repo-community/tree/elgoog/community/chromium 2021-04-23T16:23:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure! 2021-04-23T16:23:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Thanks o/ 2021-04-23T16:25:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you need it to legit run, or just build 2021-04-23T16:26:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just build and see if chromium --version works should be fine i guess, havent changed a lot of stuff 2021-04-23T16:29:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> can do 2021-04-23T16:33:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn MIPS KISS when 2021-04-23T16:37:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> when you build it 2021-04-23T16:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> what about Z80 2021-04-23T16:38:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to run loonix on my ZX Specturm 2021-04-23T16:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> the spectrum was a knockoff 2021-04-23T16:39:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even know if I'll ever *not* use x86 mang 2021-04-23T16:39:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> i didn't just build a whole PC to switch to fucking mips s m h 2021-04-23T16:39:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely intelled and proprietard-pilled 2021-04-23T16:39:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd use a MIPS PC if they were available in versions that were, uh, not 500mhz 2021-04-23T16:39:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> time to install gdb. I have no idea why this keeps happenign 2021-04-23T16:39:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh boy, gdb 2021-04-23T16:40:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> have fun compiling 2021-04-23T16:41:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love when make just says 'sh syntax error' 2021-04-23T16:41:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> bmake so bad :'( 2021-04-23T16:41:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a fucking sprinkle stuck in my cosmos 2021-04-23T16:41:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm gonna lose it 2021-04-23T16:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> swear on me mum 2021-04-23T16:47:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> forgot to mount shm, chromium build failed. end my life. 2021-04-23T16:48:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser I think I have to take in your suggestion for kiss-chroot :P 2021-04-23T16:58:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=161914575319702&w=2 2021-04-23T17:02:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila FVWM configuration circa 2006: https://i.redd.it/kigmilzi6wu61.png 2021-04-23T17:02:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> push to 0x0 or similar plox 2021-04-23T17:05:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/-mcy.png 2021-04-23T17:05:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> Danke. 2021-04-23T17:05:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's pretty based ngl. 2021-04-23T17:06:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah real slick. i know you're not big on reddit, but there's been a lot of awesome posts to /r/vintageunix today in that same vein 2021-04-23T17:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> "Not big on" in the sense that I filter traffic to and fro, but yes. And FVWM can look stunning given proper polish 2021-04-23T17:07:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the equivalent of an old station wagon, I guess 2021-04-23T17:07:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> kind of clunky, but reliable, easy to work on, and with proper care and feeding, very attractive 2021-04-23T17:07:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to put more work into my config actually... 2021-04-23T17:09:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: btw i switched to a bubblewrap script to enter build chroots rootlessly: https://github.com/git-bruh/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/bchroot 2021-04-23T17:10:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> why not use proot! 2021-04-23T17:12:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bwrap is cooler :p 2021-04-23T17:14:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> also probably not in alpha in perpetuity... 2021-04-23T17:17:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll never be so cool https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200506#c3810701 2021-04-23T17:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can never live up to the sheer based-ness of araps-sama 2021-04-23T17:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> how does that make you feel 2021-04-23T17:24:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty ambivalent 2021-04-23T17:24:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> s m h 2021-04-23T17:26:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompilerPolicy 2021-04-23T17:27:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> >fedora 2021-04-23T17:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe and irrelevant. 2021-04-23T17:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> in all seriousness, do people actually like 2021-04-23T17:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> *use* fedora, outside of some businesses using RHEL? 2021-04-23T17:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've only met a single person who willingly used Fedora, but he was a total suit 2021-04-23T17:30:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i use(d) some CentOS VMs at home in the past, not straight Fedora though 2021-04-23T17:30:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I mean 2021-04-23T17:30:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone uses CentOS or RHEL 2021-04-23T17:30:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> never glowiedora 2021-04-23T17:31:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> they're changing centos, so people are moving to rock linux or another one i forget the name of 2021-04-23T17:31:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> stripping debugging symbols will always bite me in the ass, huh. 2021-04-23T17:31:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I heard that they're depreacting centos entirely or something 2021-04-23T17:31:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> s/rock/rocky 2021-04-23T17:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hope NeXTSpace moves away from CentOS 8 as a development platform soon 2021-04-23T17:32:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the quest for minimal size requires... sacrifices 2021-04-23T17:33:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> yesterday my girlfriend asked me 'how do I return all the files in this git repo to their unmodified state' and i said 'git restore .' and SHE said 2021-04-23T17:33:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'git doesn't have restore' 2021-04-23T17:33:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw CMU only has git 1.8 for their ECE students 2021-04-23T17:33:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> nani the fuck 2021-04-23T17:33:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck RHEL, fuck CentOS, fuck contracts, fuck old software. 2021-04-23T17:34:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> svn revert to revision 2021-04-23T17:34:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> the solution is, i guess, 2021-04-23T17:34:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> install KISS? 2021-04-23T17:34:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> to uninstall whatever software lets her connect to this server 2021-04-23T17:35:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I don't have to deal with it 2021-04-23T17:35:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> big brain moment 2021-04-23T17:35:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao I should've said 'do ~/kiss/bin/git restore .' 2021-04-23T17:35:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably wouldn't have worked tho huh 2021-04-23T17:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> iunno 2021-04-23T17:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only five git commands I use are pull, push, clone, add, and commit 2021-04-23T17:36:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> it depends on how git restore works with tracked files. if they're marked in some special way for restore, then it woudln't 2021-04-23T17:36:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh well 2021-04-23T17:36:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid never makes mistakes i guess 2021-04-23T17:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's right 2021-04-23T17:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...never. definitely 2021-04-23T17:40:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is shithubusercontent down for anyone else ? 2021-04-23T17:41:46 #kisslinux <m3g> anyone knows how to specify lemonbar a font name? Lost here 2021-04-23T17:42:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you check the manual 2021-04-23T17:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> because uh. it's literally in the synopsis 2021-04-23T17:42:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/lemonbar/lemonbar.1.en.html 2021-04-23T17:42:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> m3g i usually use fc-match to double-check it finds the right one 2021-04-23T17:44:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if you're using the xft fork you can specify like: -f "xft:My Font Name Here" 2021-04-23T17:45:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i had been using https://github.com/drscream/lemonbar-xft although i don't know if that's still the "best" option 2021-04-23T17:50:23 #kisslinux <m3g> None of the things I try work https://0x0.st/-mTs.txt 2021-04-23T17:52:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Try xft:FreeMono:style=Regular: 2021-04-23T17:56:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> TTF need xft support 2021-04-23T17:57:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i thought, at least 2021-04-23T18:02:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/-mTH.gz 2021-04-23T18:03:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that should be a git-linked package for lemonbar-xft 2021-04-23T18:03:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> smh chromium is being a little bitch testuser_ 2021-04-23T18:04:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> got almost done the first time, complained about /dev/shm perms. fixed perms, complained about something relating to *vulkan*. refused to go on 2021-04-23T18:04:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i'm building my own version from your branch, and somehow nss.pc had the wrong perms! 2021-04-23T18:04:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> my computer is eating itself. 2021-04-23T18:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> stahp using chromium 2021-04-23T18:05:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Ah did the build fail due to vulkan stuff ? I was quite unsure about that flag, i guess you can remove it and see 2021-04-23T18:05:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> use_vulkan=false 2021-04-23T18:05:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> midfavila 2021-04-23T18:05:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Consume 2021-04-23T18:06:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will never consoom 2021-04-23T18:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't make me get in the pod 2021-04-23T18:06:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will own things and be unhappy 2021-04-23T18:09:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> aha, i see 2021-04-23T18:36:09 #kisslinux <m3g> ominous_anonymou: `Could not load font "xft:FreeMono:style=Regular:"` 2021-04-23T18:37:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> here's my font line: -f "ricty diminished discord:size=9" -f "dejavu sans:size=9" 2021-04-23T18:38:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so you could try -f "freemono regular" 2021-04-23T18:39:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i know you tried that before, but maybe the xft-patched version will grab it successfully 2021-04-23T19:44:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I... I just OOM'd myself... 2021-04-23T19:44:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> on 32 gigs of ram 2021-04-23T19:44:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf 2021-04-23T19:45:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that was unrelated 2021-04-23T19:45:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> welcome to the club 2021-04-23T19:45:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> when I bought 32GB I was like 'this is just too much. I'll never need this' 2021-04-23T19:45:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> WRONG 2021-04-23T19:45:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i once oom'd on 64 2021-04-23T19:46:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> long story short, I have to rebuild chromium testuser_ 2021-04-23T19:46:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid don't jinx it 2021-04-23T19:46:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> xnij 2021-04-23T21:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay cool, should be connecting via SASL now 2021-04-23T21:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I can throw ascii at people s e c u r e l y 2021-04-23T21:29:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does pidgin handle that for you? 2021-04-23T21:29:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> indeed it does 2021-04-23T21:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> pidgin is fantastic when it works 2021-04-23T21:30:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> which to be clear, is most of the time 2021-04-23T21:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> :tm: 2021-04-23T21:30:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> discord, telegram, IRC, and basically whatever the hell you want, all in one place 2021-04-23T21:30:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> *and* it doesn't hog memory. 2021-04-23T21:33:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> now to fix the user agent bullshit with my browser... 2021-04-23T21:33:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it wouldn't be a *problem* if sites weren't filtering based on it, but we don't live in a perfect world, I guess. 2021-04-23T21:34:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what sites are blocking specific UAs? 2021-04-23T21:34:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, the IETF's RFCs are the latest that I've come across 2021-04-23T21:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot of commerce sites do as well. obviously to fight scraping 2021-04-23T21:35:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the notorious internet terrorist site 4chan also doesn't like it 2021-04-23T21:35:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> oddly, 4channel is fine 2021-04-23T21:35:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> what else... anything protected by cloudflare botnet. 2021-04-23T21:35:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> "protected" 2021-04-23T21:37:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> the weird thing is that UA spoofing doesn't change the problem. for some reason my browser just... isn't sending a UA at all. and for reference, that's not something I set 2021-04-23T21:37:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ridiculous. you can set up nginx or something as a transparent proxy 2021-04-23T21:38:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> to rewrite your UA (or in your case create one I guess?) 2021-04-23T21:38:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> or I can just use palememe 2021-04-23T21:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I keep installed to isolate most of that sort of stuff anyway 2021-04-23T21:39:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> aw man, the ALICE rig I wanted to get off ebay ended earlier today. 2021-04-23T21:39:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> big rip. 2021-04-23T22:06:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow based 2021-04-23T22:10:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> for anyone who tinkers with tcpdump, i've just packaged a companion program, tcptrace 2021-04-23T23:18:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird question, but do you guys find it hard to stare at checkerboard patterns? 2021-04-23T23:31:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> can't say i've ever noticed an issue, no 2021-04-23T23:32:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-maZ.jpg 2021-04-23T23:32:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> picrel tiled on my monitors makes me dizzy 2021-04-23T23:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> which sucks because it's otherwise a really nice pattern 2021-04-23T23:33:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok so that does have a bit of a motion illusion effect