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2021-02-20T00:00:34 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: how's the site coming along? 2021-02-20T00:02:13 #kisslinux <acheam> woah 82 responses 2021-02-20T00:02:32 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a lot for just a few minuites since I last checked 2021-02-20T00:04:40 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: meh. slow and steady. lol. mostly done though. still sitting at 36/42 articles converted to markdown (as of this morning). messing around the h2/h3 style now. 2021-02-20T00:04:51 #kisslinux <acheam> 36/42 is great! 2021-02-20T00:12:52 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> wow 82 2021-02-20T00:21:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> good result turnout! 2021-02-20T01:28:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> In other news, element is pretty tight 2021-02-20T01:46:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe 2021-02-20T01:46:55 #kisslinux <acheam> is there a good TUI client for matrix? 2021-02-20T01:47:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Idk I'm on my phone :S 2021-02-20T01:48:04 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I imagine there has to be... Although it does have an electron app xD 2021-02-20T01:48:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: gomuks? 2021-02-20T01:58:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> we cannot escape the call of electron 2021-02-20T01:58:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> :| 2021-02-20T01:59:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> No but you can ignore it 2021-02-20T01:59:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :v 2021-02-20T01:59:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> i unfortunately need zoom 2021-02-20T01:59:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i have another laptop running arch so 2021-02-20T02:05:21 #kisslinux <acheam> zoom is electron? 2021-02-20T02:05:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought it was qt? 2021-02-20T02:08:00 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks phoebos[m]1, that looks good. 2021-02-20T02:10:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> maybe im wrong there 2021-02-20T02:11:06 #kisslinux <acheam> ~/.config/zoomus.conf has an "enableQmlCache" option, 2021-02-20T02:11:39 #kisslinux <acheam> and there is also an AUR package, zoom-system-qt, which claims to use the sysytem qt libraries 2021-02-20T02:11:47 #kisslinux <acheam> but for all I know, there might be electron components as well 2021-02-20T02:11:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I would not be surprised at all 2021-02-20T02:12:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah neither, i was going off the zoom GH which has zoom-sdk-electron 2021-02-20T02:12:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> etc 2021-02-20T02:12:24 #kisslinux <acheam> who knows 2021-02-20T02:12:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> its a mess regardless lol 2021-02-20T02:12:37 #kisslinux <acheam> propreitary garbage 2021-02-20T03:25:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> decideding to try out the wio compositor, realised i dont like TWMs 2021-02-20T03:53:58 #kisslinux <acheam> you might like hikari 2021-02-20T03:54:17 #kisslinux <acheam> not sure how convinient wio is beyond a proof of concept 2021-02-20T04:07:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi 2021-02-20T04:08:56 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m] 2021-02-20T04:10:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i switched back to dwl coz its a bit unusable atm 2021-02-20T04:10:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i will check out hikari 2021-02-20T04:22:08 #kisslinux <illiliti> is anyone able to download libressl? 2021-02-20T04:22:24 #kisslinux <illiliti> it fails for me with transfer closed with 1479296 bytes remaining to read 2021-02-20T04:24:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> works fine here 2021-02-20T04:24:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/LibreSSL/libressl-3.3.1.tar.gz 2021-02-20T07:53:14 #kisslinux <travankor> has anyone tried playing around with this? https://github.com/dylanaraps/k 2021-02-20T08:00:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> not afaik 2021-02-20T08:13:10 #kisslinux <illiliti> travankor: i do, but in Go 2021-02-20T08:14:09 #kisslinux <travankor> why Go? 2021-02-20T08:16:02 #kisslinux <illiliti> due to availability of essential libraries 2021-02-20T08:16:14 #kisslinux <illiliti> like this https://github.com/go-git/go-git 2021-02-20T08:16:59 #kisslinux <travankor> i see, so it's pure go (no cgo?) 2021-02-20T08:17:04 #kisslinux <illiliti> yep 2021-02-20T08:17:34 #kisslinux <illiliti> this allows building fully static binary 2021-02-20T08:19:32 #kisslinux <travankor> you can achieve fully static binaries in other languages as well 2021-02-20T08:20:24 #kisslinux <travankor> the go runtime is somewhat complex as well 2021-02-20T08:21:04 #kisslinux <travankor> (i'm not sure how much that matters though) 2021-02-20T08:22:49 #kisslinux <illiliti> why 2021-02-20T08:28:25 #kisslinux <travankor> http://dtrace.org/blogs/wesolows/2014/12/29/golang-is-trash/ 2021-02-20T08:28:58 #kisslinux <travankor> criticism is that runtime is not "kiss", not the language itself 2021-02-20T08:51:59 #kisslinux <illiliti> yeah, i agree that the runtime is shitshow, linker is crap. all these problems led to super fat binary size. i hate this so much too 2021-02-20T08:52:42 #kisslinux <illiliti> but, i think everything else is good 2021-02-20T08:52:53 #kisslinux <illiliti> at least better than rust lol 2021-02-20T09:07:06 #kisslinux <travankor> lol 2021-02-20T09:07:22 #kisslinux <travankor> i wasn't suggesting rust as an alternative 2021-02-20T09:10:04 #kisslinux <travankor> i wish there was a good language above c without drawbacks though 2021-02-20T09:10:22 #kisslinux <travankor> everything has some issue 2021-02-20T09:10:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> for real 2021-02-20T09:10:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> a lot of which are not rly worth the compromise 2021-02-20T09:12:59 #kisslinux <travankor> her, and offer no counterargument should you choose the latter. Fortunately, for me at least, either possibility dictates the same conclusion: it’s time to move on. The ability to predict the future, even (perhaps especially) one’s own, is a claim rooted in hubris, so I can’t say for certain that I’ll never be employed again, but I can state without reservation that I don’t plan to be. Maybe the industry will change for the better. Maybe I 2021-02-20T09:12:59 #kisslinux <travankor> will. Maybe something else exciting will come along of which I want to be a part. Maybe not. 2021-02-20T09:12:59 #kisslinux <travankor> Thank You 2021-02-20T09:13:01 #kisslinux <travankor> I’m not going to do the thing where I try to name everyone I’ve enjoyed working with, or even everyone who has helped me out over the years. If we’ve worked together and we’d work together again, you know who you are. Thanks for everything, and my best to you all. May you build something great. 2021-02-20T09:13:01 #kisslinux <travankor> Posted on December 29, 2014 at 19:24 by wesolows · Permalink · Comments Closed 2021-02-20T09:13:01 #kisslinux <travankor> In: Uncategorized 2021-02-20T09:13:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> ? 2021-02-20T09:15:38 #kisslinux <travankor> wtf? 2021-02-20T09:15:46 #kisslinux <travankor> uggh 2021-02-20T09:15:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> gotta love that clipboard shit 2021-02-20T09:15:55 #kisslinux <travankor> irc client is doing stupid thign 2021-02-20T09:16:05 #kisslinux <travankor> necromansy: lol ueah 2021-02-20T09:16:09 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah* 2021-02-20T09:17:05 #kisslinux <travankor> apparently multi-line paste gets auto-sent 2021-02-20T09:17:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah idk why 2021-02-20T09:17:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> seems to be common default 2021-02-20T09:17:36 #kisslinux <travankor> it's really bad though 2021-02-20T09:18:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> agreed 2021-02-20T13:40:25 #kisslinux <cdcode_> Hi all, is there an updated link for the kiss chroot? The github download on the community site (k1ss.net) is giving me a 404. 2021-02-20T13:41:18 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi. That site is just a temporary site, what linkk do you need exactly? 2021-02-20T13:41:56 #kisslinux <kyao> cdcode_: 2021-02-20T13:42:00 #kisslinux <cdcode_> It's the first one in the install guide, for kiss-chroot-2020.9-2.tar.xz 2021-02-20T13:42:07 #kisslinux <kyao> do this 2021-02-20T13:42:08 #kisslinux <kyao> url=https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/releases/download/2020.9-2 2021-02-20T13:42:12 #kisslinux <kyao> wget "$url/kiss-chroot-2020.9-2.tar.xz" 2021-02-20T13:42:23 #kisslinux <kyao> found here: https://github.com/kisslinux/website/blob/master/site/install.txt 2021-02-20T13:42:43 #kisslinux <kyao> after this just follow the community steps 2021-02-20T13:43:06 #kisslinux <cdcode_> Thanks very much 2021-02-20T15:06:00 #kisslinux <acheam> i've updated this on the website 2021-02-20T15:06:33 #kisslinux <acheam> IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT THE BDFL FORM. https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net 2021-02-20T15:07:54 #kisslinux <Guest79436> hey, so i was just checking in, im not a reguar user of this project but have been watching it from afar, could somebody kindly explain the situation? 2021-02-20T15:09:28 #kisslinux <kyao> dylanaraps(the creator) is gone thats mostly it 2021-02-20T15:10:26 #kisslinux <Guest79436> i see. Thats unfourtunate. 2021-02-20T15:25:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> https://github.com/anatol/booster very cool initramfs generator written in go 2021-02-20T15:28:36 #kisslinux <tracer> What do you need an initramfs for? 2021-02-20T15:29:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Me specifically or theoretically? 2021-02-20T15:29:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Biggest things are loading modules at boot and decrypting rootfs 2021-02-20T15:29:51 #kisslinux <tracer> You, specifically. I build my kernel mostly static, all I need for the current machine. 2021-02-20T15:30:08 #kisslinux <tracer> A you are into those crypto things, OK :-) 2021-02-20T15:30:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I build monolithic kernels and don't bother with encryption 2021-02-20T15:30:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Those were the theoretic reasons sry xD 2021-02-20T15:30:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice 2021-02-20T15:37:22 #kisslinux <tracer> I packaged a first testversion of my browser. Still very limited features. Currently I'm into frag and drop tabs from one window to another … 2021-02-20T16:35:19 #kisslinux <merakor> I have an idea for cpt, although I want some opinions. A file inside packages called 'meta', a yaml-like file which contains information about the package. Not a required file, no code added to the package manager. It can be parsed through other means to learn information about the package. Example: https://termbin.com/19h0e 2021-02-20T16:35:55 #kisslinux <merakor> What do you think= 2021-02-20T16:36:01 #kisslinux <merakor> s/=/?/ 2021-02-20T16:36:02 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> What do you think? 2021-02-20T16:38:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's nice, but it should be mandatory for consistency in repo 2021-02-20T16:39:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, it will be mandatory on the repo, but not for the package manager 2021-02-20T16:39:50 #kisslinux <merakor> By that, I say it should be enforced by the repository owner rather than the package manager itself. 2021-02-20T16:40:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah 2021-02-20T16:44:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I've long thought that yml is far better than the multiple file system 2021-02-20T16:44:54 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd support that, merakor 2021-02-20T16:46:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yaml would make parsing harder though 2021-02-20T16:46:28 #kisslinux <merakor> By yaml, I just meant KEY: VALUE style 2021-02-20T16:46:43 #kisslinux <merakor> How complex can meta information be anyway 2021-02-20T16:50:42 #kisslinux <acheam> right 2021-02-20T16:51:04 #kisslinux <acheam> yml is much too complicated for our needs 2021-02-20T16:51:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Yup 2021-02-20T16:51:33 #kisslinux <acheam> AWK, cut, sed, etc can all super easily parse a simple deliminated file 2021-02-20T16:52:05 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, you can even do it pure shell 2021-02-20T16:54:16 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah. Although personally, I find using cut for something like that a lot more readable and understandable even if more wasteful than using pure shell. 2021-02-20T16:56:24 #kisslinux <acheam> How would people feel about something like that in kiss? 2021-02-20T16:56:41 #kisslinux <merakor> It's actually simpler and more flexible than it sounds: https://termbin.com/0yk6 2021-02-20T16:57:06 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean, I don't think everyone would be fond of the idea 2021-02-20T16:57:38 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting, merakor. 2021-02-20T16:58:13 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, I don't expect the answer to my question to be very positive 2021-02-20T16:59:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: how many responses does the poll have now ? 2021-02-20T17:00:08 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: 99 2021-02-20T17:00:11 #kisslinux <acheam> ! 2021-02-20T17:00:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock: 2021-02-20T17:16:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> seems like a lot of silent users 2021-02-20T17:25:26 #kisslinux <acheam> yep 2021-02-20T17:25:52 #kisslinux <acheam> should we encourage more people to contribute to community 2021-02-20T17:31:31 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> personally im not a fan of yaml 2021-02-20T17:34:28 #kisslinux <acheam> look at the example merakor sent, its not really yml, just a generic two column, key:value store 2021-02-20T17:36:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> tbf packages in kiss aren't like in other distros/etc, they're only providing an easy way to manage common software, not to browse 2021-02-20T17:39:13 #kisslinux <aarng> what if we maintain one big file at the root dir of a repo for meta data 2021-02-20T17:40:33 #kisslinux <kyao> I like that idea. 2021-02-20T17:41:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It would have to be updated manually though right 2021-02-20T17:42:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or maybe a workflow can be made 2021-02-20T17:42:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> to run on push 2021-02-20T17:42:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what kinda stuff would we use that file for tho? 2021-02-20T17:43:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> other than the maintainer tag thingy 2021-02-20T17:43:13 #kisslinux <aarng> most commonly people want package descriptions 2021-02-20T17:43:16 #kisslinux <aarng> and yeah, maintainer 2021-02-20T17:44:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm if we need to add descriptions then it might get hard to handle, say if there's multiple PRs open, then there'll be merge conflicts 2021-02-20T17:44:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't see the advantage of having it in the repo root and not in the package folders 2021-02-20T17:44:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> a workflow might grab the wrong description for rare packages 2021-02-20T17:45:02 #kisslinux <aarng> aye, just throwing things out there 2021-02-20T17:45:09 #kisslinux <aarng> I have no real opinion on what's better 2021-02-20T17:45:15 #kisslinux <aarng> best is not having any of it :> 2021-02-20T17:46:30 #kisslinux <kyao> what about something like sourcemage has? basically just 2 files like 'history' and 'details' 2021-02-20T17:46:34 #kisslinux <kyao> example history: https://github.com/sourcemage/grimoire/blob/master/chat-irc/irssi/HISTORY 2021-02-20T17:47:01 #kisslinux <acheam> we have git history for that 2021-02-20T17:47:14 #kisslinux <aarng> honestly, the most kiss-like would be separate files for description and maintainer 2021-02-20T17:47:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> git log ? 2021-02-20T17:47:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kyao ^ 2021-02-20T17:47:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel like having so many individual files gets unwildely 2021-02-20T17:48:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so we'll have 2021-02-20T17:48:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> files/ patches/ build sources checksums version post-install description maintainer 2021-02-20T17:49:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel like version, description, and maintainer can be combined 2021-02-20T17:49:44 #kisslinux <acheam> into a single "meta" file 2021-02-20T17:53:13 #kisslinux <aarng> why have checksums separate then? 2021-02-20T17:53:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tbh maintainer is rarely needed other than outdated pkgs issue, build failures are reported via issues anyways 2021-02-20T17:53:32 #kisslinux <acheam> where would you put it, aarng? 2021-02-20T17:54:02 #kisslinux <kyao> license would be better to know imo 2021-02-20T17:54:04 #kisslinux <aarng> also in into a metadata file 2021-02-20T17:54:09 #kisslinux <aarng> -in 2021-02-20T17:56:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> putting them all in one file makes it much more annoying scripting to find eg each package version 2021-02-20T17:57:09 #kisslinux <acheam> "grep version | cut -d ': " -f 2" 2021-02-20T17:57:19 #kisslinux <acheam> or what merakor sent earlier 2021-02-20T17:57:22 #kisslinux <acheam> its not too bad 2021-02-20T17:57:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> `cat version` 2021-02-20T17:58:07 #kisslinux <acheam> awk '/version/ {print}' 2021-02-20T17:58:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> shh let me justify putting off learning awk 2021-02-20T17:58:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, "awk '/version/ {print $2}'" 2021-02-20T17:59:05 #kisslinux <acheam> awk is great 2021-02-20T17:59:09 #kisslinux <acheam> im just starting to learn it 2021-02-20T17:59:10 #kisslinux <aarng> make that ^version too or you could match descriptions 2021-02-20T17:59:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> i believe you i just haven't got round to it 2021-02-20T18:00:16 #kisslinux <aarng> it's awesome, pretty fast too 2021-02-20T18:04:01 #kisslinux <acheam> we should write a "trying out kiss" wiki article with info about chroots and kiss live 2021-02-20T18:21:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi, I'm just here with just one eye, working on my browser, but, if you plan a new package format, ind version numbers in the dependencied. Upgrading stuff like kf5 or plasma is a pita right now. 2021-02-20T18:33:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> that is something which is missing 2021-02-20T18:33:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> or at least would be v good 2021-02-20T18:36:48 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, it's very important. you cannot do "kiss b *", as there are dependencies, you cannot either do "kiss b plasma-meta" as it doen't know the versions. I thing borrowing some stuff from Archs PKGBUILD might not be bad a t all. I want to rewrite the packagemangement (for me, not official kiss), but currently started a side project. 2021-02-20T18:41:57 #kisslinux <AlexHMusique> Hello everybody 2021-02-20T18:42:13 #kisslinux <AlexHMusique> Does anybody know something about KISS? Where's Dylan? 2021-02-20T18:43:24 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <AlexHMusique "Does anybody know something abou"> dylan is MIA. but the community prevails. 2021-02-20T18:43:38 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi AlexHMusique. Dylan is away since a few months. Nobody know about him :-( 2021-02-20T18:44:20 #kisslinux <AlexHMusique> :c 2021-02-20T18:44:30 #kisslinux <AlexHMusique> Ok :C So, here we are 2021-02-20T18:44:42 #kisslinux <acheam> https://kiss.armaanb.net is the website mirror, https://github.com/kiss-community is where development is happening 2021-02-20T18:46:07 #kisslinux <AlexHMusique> Oh, man, this makes me feel really sad, but it's good to see the community is active 2021-02-20T19:06:00 #kisslinux <protonesso> How's going with forking? 2021-02-20T19:07:05 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Forking good 2021-02-20T19:08:16 #kisslinux <acheam> we're not really forking kiss, just maintaining it at the moment 2021-02-20T19:08:26 #kisslinux <acheam> but that's up to the discretion of the next BDFL 2021-02-20T19:13:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Can't wait for the first announcement to be systemd and glibc conversion 2021-02-20T19:14:50 #kisslinux <acheam> removing HTTP support entirly in favor of Gopher 2021-02-20T19:16:04 #kisslinux <tracer> I second systemd and glibc :-) 2021-02-20T19:17:38 #kisslinux <tracer> But my motivation might be different. I donÄt want a slim Linux, I want a Linux thats exactly how I like it. I'm on the way. BTW, can now drop Tabs out of the browser, now must find targets :-) 2021-02-20T19:19:14 #kisslinux <tracer> Used it the whole day through: https://y.24unix.net/wtihr 2021-02-20T19:26:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Way cool! 2021-02-20T19:27:43 #kisslinux <tracer> 5.8 MB, not yet stripped. 2021-02-20T19:28:15 #kisslinux <tracer> 405kb after stripping. 2021-02-20T19:28:58 #kisslinux <tracer> But linked again Qt5Webengine, to be honest :) 2021-02-20T19:30:56 #kisslinux <soliwilos> DilynCorner[m]: I'm running s6/s6-rc/mdevd and such on my laptop if you had some issues, though not sure if I'd be much help. It's been a while since I fiddled much with it. :) 2021-02-20T19:30:57 #kisslinux <tracer> So, like every night, I must leave now. Weekend, my wife will stay up long, so I guess I'll be back tomorrow. 2021-02-20T19:56:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> Dilyn Corner: that's the closest you've come to a manifesto 2021-02-20T19:57:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :v 2021-02-20T19:57:40 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> eek 2021-02-20T19:57:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> soliwilos: I got s6 to boot and start s6-rc, it just doing start mdevd or mdevd isn't reading mdev.conf 2021-02-20T19:57:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Also get some error relating to /run 2021-02-20T19:58:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I decided to play chess instead of troubleshooting xD 2021-02-20T19:58:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> good move 2021-02-20T20:05:00 #kisslinux <soliwilos> DilynCorner[m]: There's an example run file for mdevd here: http://git.skarnet.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/s6-rc/tree/examples/source/mdevd/run 2021-02-20T20:08:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> See I copied that! Did not work 2021-02-20T20:08:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Idk 2021-02-20T20:08:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'll have a go at it again shortly 2021-02-20T20:10:25 #kisslinux <acheam> woah I didn't know that busybox has an httpd built in... that's kind of cool 2021-02-20T20:10:34 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It should just work, the default config path is /etc/mdev.conf, but you can specify one with the -f option. 2021-02-20T20:11:32 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Did you also create a compile dir for mdevd-coldplug? 2021-02-20T20:14:19 #kisslinux <acheam> this would be interesting to play around with on kiss. https://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ 2021-02-20T20:25:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: all articles officially in markdown format. working on the broken urls now. https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html 2021-02-20T20:28:01 #kisslinux <jedavies> Cross-built xorg with clang/llvm finally working. Now I just need to cross build a browser! xD 2021-02-20T20:28:42 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: nice! 2021-02-20T20:28:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mmmm no I thought that was optional? 2021-02-20T20:29:13 #kisslinux <acheam> keep the updates coming, jedavies! 2021-02-20T20:29:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> soliwilos: 2021-02-20T20:35:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> DilynCorner[m]: I think you need it for devices in /sys, it will scan /sys and tell the kernel to generate uevents for those devices which mdevd then will pick up on. 2021-02-20T20:35:59 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's a simple oneshot thing though, not longrun. 2021-02-20T20:42:26 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mhm 2021-02-20T20:42:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I thought mdevd would do that when it started, I suppose? 2021-02-20T20:42:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Butif it doesn't then that makes sense 2021-02-20T21:01:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> jedavies: what are you building for 2021-02-20T21:05:57 #kisslinux <jedavies> phoebos[m]1: aarch64, testing mostly on pinebook pro. 2021-02-20T21:08:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> Ooh exciting! 2021-02-20T21:08:42 #kisslinux <jedavies> Trying to fix python now though. It works but for some reason the cross built version is missing the zlib module. 2021-02-20T21:52:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fuck dude. Adding the coldplug worked 2021-02-20T21:52:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Tyty 2021-02-20T21:53:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm. Except my keyboard doesn't work 2021-02-20T21:56:26 #kisslinux <soliwilos> My pleasure. Is your keyboard a usb device? 2021-02-20T21:57:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Nah 2021-02-20T21:58:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The kernel sets it up just fine as it normally does, and everything in dev/input is root:input 2021-02-20T21:58:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The mouse works tho, and cmd+enter works 2021-02-20T21:58:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just can't type or change TTYs 2021-02-20T22:02:17 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I use "SUBSYSTEM=input;.* root:input 660". 2021-02-20T22:05:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Same 2021-02-20T22:17:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> All so curious 2021-02-20T22:17:55 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Seems weird. 2021-02-20T22:17:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The keyboard shortcut to kill hikari works fine :c 2021-02-20T22:20:15 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Does it work normally in the terminal? 2021-02-20T22:20:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah everything works as expected in the tty 2021-02-20T22:21:06 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Do you have libudev-zero installed? What about input/keyboard config for hikari? 2021-02-20T22:21:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I'm using libudev-zero, the input for hikari is the same as normal 2021-02-20T22:21:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Literally the only thing I changed was init 2021-02-20T22:25:02 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Do you mount /sys some place in your startup process? 2021-02-20T22:26:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah, ix.io/2Q72 2021-02-20T22:26:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's pretty early on 2021-02-20T22:26:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao last 2 is a Z 2021-02-20T22:30:26 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Okay the issue appears to just be that I can't interact with foot, basically all my keys work fine tho 2021-02-20T22:30:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> So this is a terminal input issue not an input issue 2021-02-20T22:31:27 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Ah. 2021-02-20T22:31:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm. Shm doesn't exist 2021-02-20T22:31:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> F 2021-02-20T22:38:20 #kisslinux <soliwilos> For shm I do this: http://ix.io/2Q83 2021-02-20T22:44:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fuck me sideways that fixed it 2021-02-20T22:44:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> man i cannot get a browser going in wayland 2021-02-20T22:44:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think i have the big dumbs 2021-02-20T22:44:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I mean I'll have to adapt what you did or use s6's utils but we've finally got a system xD 2021-02-20T22:45:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> What browsers are you trying necromansy? 2021-02-20T22:45:08 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Nice! :) 2021-02-20T22:45:23 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ty :) 2021-02-20T22:45:37 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Enjoy. 2021-02-20T22:48:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> FF, wyeb, surfer for gtk based, and i can't get qt5-webengine to build at all, so that kills all qt based 2021-02-20T22:48:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> wyeb builds but it throws a seg fault on launch (imv does too?) 2021-02-20T22:50:56 #kisslinux <sad_plan> omg, I just booted into sway, after fiddling with the configs, to make sure that I could start a terminal or something. and I did do that. both st and bemenu worked. however.. for whatever reason, the text was in like indian or some shit. lol 2021-02-20T22:52:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> was it a font issue or something else? 2021-02-20T22:52:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that actually may be the issue. as it still recognized my commands. they just werent displayd correctly. 2021-02-20T22:53:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive noticed that the font configs for wayland have stricter path requirements 2021-02-20T22:54:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hm, ive never even really configured anything font related, execpt making a change in tty, but It didnt transfer over to st obviously, so I didnt really bother with it tbh. 2021-02-20T22:54:57 #kisslinux <sad_plan> so I need to specify the path of my font in other words 2021-02-20T22:55:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes? 2021-02-20T22:55:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> anyone had the ff update not building? 2021-02-20T22:55:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^ 2021-02-20T22:55:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> me 2021-02-20T22:55:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> and yeah i think so sad 2021-02-20T22:55:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> or at least have a ttf file in the system ttf folder 2021-02-20T22:55:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> error with mach 2021-02-20T22:56:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> phoebos: no? 85.0.2.1 built fine for me yesterday 2021-02-20T22:56:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> well mine's with wayland specific stuff so thatd be diff phoebos 2021-02-20T22:56:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> huh ok i'll hang off filing an issue 2021-02-20T22:58:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> if youre up for it, make 86 work instead. that would be better tbh :p 2021-02-20T22:59:04 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> true 2021-02-20T22:59:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeh 2021-02-20T23:00:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i'll have a go, the log references an issue which i'll check out 2021-02-20T23:01:06 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> if anyone wants to see: http://ix.io/2Q85 2021-02-20T23:01:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> 2021-02-20T23:04:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> "ImportError: This platform lacks a functioning sem_open implementation" 2021-02-20T23:05:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mayhaps your python is borked :v 2021-02-20T23:09:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> when starting the terminal in sway, it says it cannot open display )0. the font wasnt intially borked, it was the spacing it seems. the characters is so close to eachother that they mix into strange symbols instead. if I but spaces between them, they appear as they should 2021-02-20T23:16:07 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> <DilynCorner[m] "Mayhaps your python is borked :v"> wouldn't surprise me 2021-02-20T23:16:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah, it was refered to me. I belive python was just updated. Ill rebuild it and see if something happens 2021-02-20T23:45:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> my python is definitely booked tho 2021-02-20T23:46:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> rebuilding didn't help 2021-02-20T23:46:10 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> how's yours going sad_plan 2021-02-20T23:46:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oops borked 2021-02-20T23:46:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> s/booked/borked/g 2021-02-20T23:46:59 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> Does the bot work on not-previous messages 2021-02-20T23:52:37 #kisslinux <acheam> I think it runs on just your most recent message 2021-02-20T23:52:42 #kisslinux <acheam> . 2021-02-20T23:52:49 #kisslinux <acheam> s/think/thing/g 2021-02-20T23:52:54 #kisslinux <acheam> s/think/thing/g 2021-02-20T23:52:55 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> s/thing/thing/g 2021-02-20T23:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah 2021-02-20T23:53:58 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ach