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2021-02-10T01:59:53 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> aarng: was tweaking your version of ircc, trying to see if i could get it to work without -e.  https://clbin.com/HFoz9. i imagined `nc host port -e script` should be the same as `nc host port | /bin/sh script`, but that does not seem so.
2021-02-10T04:01:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> imo if we want as up to date packages as possible, it would make sense to straight up drop the maintainer model and allow anyone to update a package, but have someone verify that it works before it gets merged
2021-02-10T04:02:16 #kisslinux <noocsharp> that way whoever has time can update the package without waiting on a maintainer
2021-02-10T04:04:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> what would be the cons to dropping the maintainer model?
2021-02-10T04:04:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would prefer a compromise where if a package has gone unupdated for "long enough", anyone is free to simply submit a PR and become maintainer. If nobody submits a PR, the package is dropped.
2021-02-10T04:04:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> A con would be nobody is actually accepting responsibility to watch the package
2021-02-10T04:05:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> You could end up with a 'bystander phenomenon' where everyone else thinks someone else will do the update, and so nobody does
2021-02-10T04:05:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's defs packages in the community repo that i have no interest in touching and only the maintainer does
2021-02-10T04:05:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> i.e. im pre sure im the only one with interest in gsl
2021-02-10T04:06:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> And if that's the case, then they should simply be dropped from community and the person who wants it can maintain it in their own repo
2021-02-10T04:06:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> that's a good point yeah
2021-02-10T04:06:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> you would of course end up with redundancy, but kiss-steal is an excellent tool people can make use of to avoid it
2021-02-10T04:07:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> redundancy in the universal sense; the main repos stay small and well maintained, which is the goal. community shouldn't be the AUR IMO
2021-02-10T04:07:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> redundancy is probbably not the worse thing if its indiviudal repos anyway
2021-02-10T04:08:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed. I'm willing to accept that sacrifice :v
2021-02-10T04:12:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i feel like isync is a pretty popular program, but im convinced im the only kiss user that uses it
2021-02-10T04:14:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> maybe there should be a poll to figure out how many people use each package to see what stays
2021-02-10T04:15:19 #kisslinux <acheam> The pro of the maintainer model is that as soon as a piece of software comes out, two people aren't working on packaging it at the same time. Or, if the package goes out of date by a week or something, there is a bit less confusion as to who's job it is to update it
2021-02-10T04:15:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> not a bad idea, plug it on the reddit and maybe drop an issue on the kiss-community github so people see it?
2021-02-10T04:15:45 #kisslinux <acheam> Maybe it should wait until the March 30 poll?
2021-02-10T04:15:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> def
2021-02-10T04:16:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> also im intending to become more proactive in assissting since im pretty reliant on my kiss machine as my daily driver :P
2021-02-10T04:16:56 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-02-10T04:17:30 #kisslinux <acheam> Maybe in the future, to be included in the community repos would require a certain number of reactions to the PR, or a certain number of replies to the mailing list, or a simple poll system, etc
2021-02-10T04:17:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel like the community repos should generally have packages that more than 1 person is interested it
2021-02-10T04:17:58 #kisslinux <acheam> s/it/is
2021-02-10T04:17:58 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> I feel like the communisy repos should generally have packages that more than 1 person is interested it
2021-02-10T04:18:19 #kisslinux <acheam> s/it$/is/g
2021-02-10T04:18:20 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> I feel like the community repos should generally have packages that more than 1 person is interested is
2021-02-10T04:18:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> hence the word 'community' :P
2021-02-10T04:18:50 #kisslinux <acheam> right
2021-02-10T04:19:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I should start making this poll, or at least writing down the contents somewhere
2021-02-10T04:21:13 #kisslinux <acheam> right now it is: New BDFL? GitHub vs self-hosted? Community repo inclusion requirements? Team-based development? K package manager? Package popularity content? Communication system?
2021-02-10T04:22:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> Reddit post with running poll and discussion?
2021-02-10T04:22:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> is sourcehut included in GitHub vs self-hosted?
2021-02-10T04:22:21 #kisslinux <acheam> By sourcehut are you reffering to sr.ht or self-hosted sourcehut
2021-02-10T04:22:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> sr.ht
2021-02-10T04:23:18 #kisslinux <acheam> That's an option. For our use-level we would need to pay, which is not exactly in our budget ($0)
2021-02-10T04:23:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ah, didn't realize
2021-02-10T04:23:49 #kisslinux <acheam> Self hosted sourcehut would offer more flexibility at the cost of maintenence and hardware
2021-02-10T04:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> we ran the idea of running builds on it by ddevault a few months ago, and he said we should pay
2021-02-10T04:24:11 #kisslinux <acheam> which is reasonable
2021-02-10T04:24:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, we would need to pay when it leaves alpha anyways
2021-02-10T04:24:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I honestly don't get why Dylan stuck with GitHub, it seems so against his values / the KISS guidestones
2021-02-10T04:24:57 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the price of freedom
2021-02-10T04:25:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean if there's enough of us willing to actually invest in the infrastructure the cost comes down a lot
2021-02-10T04:25:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> most likely sheer convinence
2021-02-10T04:25:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-02-10T04:25:22 #kisslinux <acheam> He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to give into convinience
2021-02-10T04:25:31 #kisslinux <acheam> but in this case, thats what it most likely was
2021-02-10T04:26:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I can donate a good bit of hardware and hosting to KISS
2021-02-10T04:26:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i imagine a lot of maintainers of kisslinux/community would have stopped contributing if he switched
2021-02-10T04:26:29 #kisslinux <acheam> Right, and thats the same issue we are faced with now
2021-02-10T04:26:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> now there are fewer but more dedicated contributors, so it makes more sense
2021-02-10T04:26:53 #kisslinux <acheam> Which I think would stick with us if we were to switch platforms
2021-02-10T04:27:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> what level of hardware are we talking about with regards to hosting?
2021-02-10T04:28:33 #kisslinux <acheam> I could put a signifant chunk of my HP dl360p g8 to KISS, which is 24 cores, 32gb ram
2021-02-10T04:29:00 #kisslinux <acheam> Plus a few other people here have hardware/VMS which they could contribute for redundancy/distribution
2021-02-10T04:29:42 #kisslinux <acheam> The goal being that anybody currently hosting infra could leave the project with minimal impact
2021-02-10T04:30:19 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> noocsharp: I had sent you an invite for write access to repo-community, did you receive it?
2021-02-10T04:31:27 #kisslinux <acheam> Also in case anyone was wondering what's up with repo-bin, I finally thought up a good way of scaling it the other day, but I'm waiting until after the poll to implement it
2021-02-10T04:32:01 #kisslinux <noocsharp> testuser[m]_: if it would show up on github notifications, then i have not
2021-02-10T04:34:23 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I think it only gets sent to email
2021-02-10T04:37:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i didn't get anything, do i have to be part of the organization first?
2021-02-10T04:40:40 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> nah you can invite anyone for write access. I've sent the invite again
2021-02-10T04:42:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> just accepted it
2021-02-10T05:25:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> anybody know how to setup s6? don't want to do it wrong; I'm assuming s6init would do the work for me hummingbird is so cute
2021-02-10T05:25:37 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://meet.jit.si/FluffyChat%20android-1-1612934711561
2021-02-10T05:26:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> what's this!
2021-02-10T05:26:30 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> ignore that message, pressed the wrong button lol
2021-02-10T05:26:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-10T05:28:40 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> it happens often, this matrix client doesn't prompt for confirmation and just sends out a jitsi link for calls
2021-02-10T05:29:04 #kisslinux <eax> @dylin I'm assuming you already looked at the gentoo wiki entry on the subject? they have some great info. if not skarnet.org has a very detailed article as well
2021-02-10T05:33:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've looked at both but i'm still slightly confused about how best to start it
2021-02-10T05:33:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> alpine uses an openrc script to call s6 to read an execline script to start the service manager, it seems?
2021-02-10T05:34:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> which is straight forward, I'm just curious how anyone else is doing it.
2021-02-10T05:40:36 #kisslinux <eax> from their website, they never designed the program to run on as a full init system, their bread and butter (from the develope's POV) is that it is best suited as a `stage 2` thereby needing an init process to handle stages 1 & 2
2021-02-10T05:41:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-02-10T05:41:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-02-10T05:41:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll read a bit more before a reboot lmao
2021-02-10T05:41:36 #kisslinux <eax> 1 & 3 **correction
2021-02-10T05:42:57 #kisslinux <eax> however, they have written specific tools to handle those two stages and walk you through the process if you're so inclined
2021-02-10T05:44:56 #kisslinux <eax> I dabbled with s6 about 8 months ago but it was only for experimental purposes. It never made it to production. We ended up containerizing in the end with FreeBSD Bastille
2021-02-10T05:45:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> Interesting; why?
2021-02-10T05:49:33 #kisslinux <eax> better latency, maintenability, and stability. You can spin up a ton of those containers with ease
2021-02-10T05:50:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotcha gotcha
2021-02-10T05:50:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> eep! how did I miss this page??? https://skarnet.org/software/s6/s6-svscan-not-1.html
2021-02-10T05:50:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> urph
2021-02-10T05:51:02 #kisslinux <eax> their automation templates are fairly simple to implement
2021-02-10T05:53:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a labor
2021-02-10T05:53:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the pursuit of difference for the sake of difference is... informative.
2021-02-10T05:58:39 #kisslinux <eax> yes sir, it is, however i did learn a ton in the process.
2021-02-10T06:00:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I've found that most of the last year for me has been spent learning *a ton*
2021-02-10T06:00:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> who would've guessed there was so much to know!
2021-02-10T06:04:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: sorry for the delayd answer. its a good idea imo. lets users keep track of packages that has been dropped way more easily, aswell as picking up the slack is easier, or just putting them into their own repo or whatever. they just gotta bump the version if its been updates since it was dropped.
2021-02-10T06:04:57 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I could make the repo myself if thats the case anyway. just kiss-fork all the orphaned packages, and remove them from repo-community afterwards, and done. basiclly
2021-02-10T06:06:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> this repo would obviously keep growing though, so I dont really see any particular reason to keep the packages up to date though. I mean, I might go over them from time to time though, but it depends on if they require more than just bumping the version # and not much else :p
2021-02-10T06:06:49 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> <dilyn "yeah I've found that most of the"> same
2021-02-10T06:07:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> testuser: I was initially answering to your comment, whats your thought about this?
2021-02-10T06:08:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i was just a windows user consuming games till like 10 months ago
2021-02-10T06:08:22 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> then i got enlightened
2021-02-10T06:08:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> lord
2021-02-10T06:09:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> sad_plan: you could call it kiss-graveyard
2021-02-10T06:10:16 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah either that or kiss-orphaned/archived. but yeah, if theyre all outdated it would fit fine with graveyeard indeed
2021-02-10T06:11:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> on second though, Id also assume most packages thats would be dropped, is likely due to noone bothered to updating it anyway, so graveyard will do fine really
2021-02-10T06:13:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> in any case, should I just get started right away, or should I wait for the maintainers of the packages testuser mentioned in #1681 to be answered?
2021-02-10T06:14:00 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> @freenode_sad_plan:matrix.org sorry this bridge seems like it broke, some messages are delayed...
2021-02-10T06:14:00 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I have opened PR#89 on repo-community which has proper history for dropping of packages, you can probably build off of thar
2021-02-10T06:14:01 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> that*
2021-02-10T06:14:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> and i don't think the rest of the maintainers are gonna respond cuz the issue has been open for at least a month now
2021-02-10T06:14:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would just check the commit history for instances of '$pkg dropped (orphaned)'
2021-02-10T06:14:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> in the future, that is
2021-02-10T06:19:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> testuser: yeah I had the same issue when using element myself. some messages didnt even appear on the other end aswell..
2021-02-10T06:19:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ive checked the pr, and seems fine. Ill make the repo, and get started. Ill leave a link once I get a decent amount of packages into it
2021-02-10T06:23:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> would  a separate branch in repo-community be better or a separate repo?
2021-02-10T06:48:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Do people usually browse the other branches? I know I dont. Unless theyre specifically mentioned to have anything worthwhile
2021-02-10T07:20:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> i only peak at other branches to see whats going on but i dont think a separate branch is a good idea
2021-02-10T07:27:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^My point exacly. I mean, dylin has a repo with multiple branches, but its clearly stated in the readme that theyre there, and what theyre for, so there I find use for it, but unless its clearly stated, I see no reason to use it.  In any case, having separate repos is easier for people to navigate imo. If they dont want it, they dont have to deal with it at all either. If its a branch, its in there in the mix with the rest.
2021-02-10T08:57:22 #kisslinux <kkwe> hi
2021-02-10T09:13:27 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-02-10T15:07:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs to replace ext4 sounds amazing license wise. Until you realize it requires libblkid s m h
2021-02-10T15:44:36 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> 🅱️loat
2021-02-10T15:46:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-02-10T15:46:21 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi
2021-02-10T15:46:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> hi tracer!
2021-02-10T15:46:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-02-10T15:47:06 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't see a real need for zfs on  desktop. I have a Debian VM running OpenZFS as a NAS, there it is fine stuff :-)
2021-02-10T15:47:17 #kisslinux <kyao> testuser[m]_: any progress with the new firefox yet?
2021-02-10T15:48:39 #kisslinux <tracer> I donÄt want to build Fx, TK stuff. But my qt5-webkit failed a few minutes ago . [21502/21670] CXX obj/QtWebEngineCore/accessibility_tree_formatter_qt.o  So close … Took half an hour or so.
2021-02-10T15:48:48 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> no, I've not tried anything new with ff. Mainly cuz I'm a brainlet in C stuff + using ungoogled chromium now
2021-02-10T15:52:01 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i guess we'll have to wait till they drop gtk2 unless someone more knowledgeable than me can help fix it
2021-02-10T15:55:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> soon(tm)
2021-02-10T15:55:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: i was just looking at zfs because of the license; I think it's mostly useless for me on a single disk machine :S
2021-02-10T15:56:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> snapshots wooo but I never used them when I was using btrfs /shrug
2021-02-10T15:57:19 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i use snapshots for experimenting on kiss chroots
2021-02-10T15:57:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> and also chromium source so i don't have to untar it 100 times
2021-02-10T15:58:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> we can probably build on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1661450 this patch for dropping the gtk2 dep but idk
2021-02-10T15:59:44 #kisslinux <kyao> testuser[m]_: hm is there a new firefox-bin?
2021-02-10T16:00:09 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: Well, it fun playing around with it, and you can play with a VM and virtual disks. I've got 5 SATA diskc and 1 SSD for L2ARC on a dedicted controller, exclusily for the Xen domain via pciback. Works great.
2021-02-10T16:00:56 #kisslinux <tracer> I use vmware for the snapshots …
2021-02-10T16:03:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've never enjoyed VMs
2021-02-10T16:04:59 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> it's there on repo-bin kyao but Its on 84.0
2021-02-10T16:05:55 #kisslinux <tracer> I enjoy them, my server@home, my webservers, tey all use Xen. And on the desktop I'm currently on VMWare als Parallels want you to buy a stinking abo.
2021-02-10T16:06:06 #kisslinux <kyao> so we're stuck on 84.0 for now I guess :/
2021-02-10T16:06:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser: I have those patches here for 84; probably only need small tweaks for newer versions
2021-02-10T16:06:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/commit/2ce1ed738ecd8d905c8d59b7e5e619cc2450bcda#diff-c8dee78f8c7b466c881847accc196998bad00e2b96c5ef913dfbe454d3807c96
2021-02-10T16:08:32 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hmm i guess i can look at both patches side by side and see where ifdefs are missing in ours
2021-02-10T16:09:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> there's like literally one line that has actually changed in no-gtk2.patch from 84-85
2021-02-10T16:09:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> why is gtk2 even there though, flash stuff is gone now
2021-02-10T16:10:06 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> maybe the next release...
2021-02-10T16:10:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> they missed their window because some people are whiney and slow :v
2021-02-10T16:12:42 #kisslinux <tracer> Why a you so keen on Fx? I guess Chromium is the future.
2021-02-10T16:13:49 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> it is but not everyone can spend 2 days compiling their browser on KISS
2021-02-10T16:14:59 #kisslinux <tracer> 2 Days? my build failed, but it was less than an hour. And I think fx is much more work, old autoconf, outdated GTK …
2021-02-10T16:16:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> chromium takes 8 hours for a clean build on my 12 threads, qt5-webengine probably needs to compile less stuff than a full chromium
2021-02-10T16:16:48 #kisslinux <kyao> tracer: are you using the kiss-community repo?
2021-02-10T16:16:49 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> qt5-webengine took like 2-3 hrs i think for me
2021-02-10T16:17:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt5-webengine takes twelve hours for me; chromium takes 26
2021-02-10T16:17:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> (:
2021-02-10T16:22:59 #kisslinux <tracer> kyao: parts of it.
2021-02-10T16:23:49 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: I was less than an hour an a VM. [21502/21670]  So, nearly finished.
2021-02-10T16:24:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need to get off this 2-core haswell jeez
2021-02-10T16:24:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> basically unbearable
2021-02-10T16:26:35 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, two cores thats not much. My Vm has 8 cores i7 and 48Gigs, /tmp on a ramdisk. When I found the error I'll time the compile time.
2021-02-10T16:27:05 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i was thinking about how to implement incremental builds which would save a lot of compile time
2021-02-10T16:27:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> set up a KISS distcc botnet so everyone can have chromium :p
2021-02-10T16:29:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what if you like pulled each release into a git repo, and just save out/Release from the previous build?
2021-02-10T16:30:26 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah i just did that today, but doesn't save much time on version upgrades
2021-02-10T16:30:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> ccache might help with version upgrades? it at least makes rebuilds incredibly fast
2021-02-10T16:31:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> on the other hand maybe its better to make it take a long time to remind us how shitty and huge the software we use is
2021-02-10T16:31:53 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah ccache is a blessing for rebuilds, but upgrades don't benefit that much but cuts down 30 mins atleast i hope
2021-02-10T16:31:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-02-10T16:32:09 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah the size of firefox/chromium is fatter than an untar'd kiss rootfs
2021-02-10T16:32:48 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i wish webkit stuff was more usable
2021-02-10T16:33:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i wish the web was more usable without 1 of 2 browser engines
2021-02-10T16:34:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> true
2021-02-10T16:37:01 #kisslinux <acheam> did you see that webkit has started to adapt itself to websites?
2021-02-10T16:37:20 #kisslinux <acheam> it changes how it renders things on pages like Amazon, Netflix
2021-02-10T16:37:36 #kisslinux <acheam> totally wack
2021-02-10T16:38:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> like on a website by website basis? or they made improvements to the rendering that changed it?
2021-02-10T16:48:45 #kisslinux <tracer> Chromium now has integrated support for dark mode, so even without an addon light pages can viewed without a ray ban. :-)
2021-02-10T16:49:38 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> are you talking about the flag to force enable dark rendering or something else?
2021-02-10T16:53:56 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, I mean that enironment variable
2021-02-10T16:58:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o what!
2021-02-10T17:20:30 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> #enable-force-dark or something
2021-02-10T17:20:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> but you probably won't be able to change it right now since chrome://flags is broken on your build
2021-02-10T17:23:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-02-10T17:27:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> are you still running with no-sandbox dilyn?
2021-02-10T17:29:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah... i rebuilt my kernel with namespaces but it still won't launch
2021-02-10T17:29:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> without it
2021-02-10T17:29:55 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: Did you ever encounter this: error: 'KWIN_VIRTUAL' was not declared in this scope; did you mean 'QT6_VIRTUAL'? kwin fails while building
2021-02-10T17:30:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...no. hm
2021-02-10T17:41:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I miss being able to send the prefers-dark-mode thing in my user agent... but alas, fingerprint protection
2021-02-10T17:42:40 #kisslinux <tracer> you really care about fingerprinting?
2021-02-10T17:46:53 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> why shouldn't one care? tracer
2021-02-10T17:49:08 #kisslinux <acheam> Yep. The one fingerprinting thing I eventually had to turn of was letterboxing... couldn't deal with the reduced screen space on a 13.3in laptop
2021-02-10T17:49:45 #kisslinux <acheam> But other than that, I do lots of things to spoof values, report falsely, etc
2021-02-10T17:50:14 #kisslinux <tracer> I want to get rid of those temporary IPv6 addresses, I'm doing nothing illegal.
2021-02-10T17:50:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> dilyn: hmm weird, did you set all the *_NS flags or just user_ns? user_ns should be enough but maybe try enabling all of them
2021-02-10T17:51:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> USER_NS is exactly the one that isn't set woweeee am I dumb
2021-02-10T17:53:41 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> lol
2021-02-10T18:12:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> while rebuilding we have discovered that LLVM_IAS has been added to the kernel :o
2021-02-10T18:12:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> no more gnu-as with any luck
2021-02-10T18:13:22 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: the build of qt5-webengine bailed out again at 21510/21670, bit I was wrong about the time: kiss b  18.13s user 9.73s system 0% cpu 1:44:12.83 total
2021-02-10T18:14:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> goodness gracious
2021-02-10T18:15:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> you are too powerful
2021-02-10T18:15:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you building on glibc or musl, btw?
2021-02-10T18:15:26 #kisslinux <tracer> glibc
2021-02-10T18:15:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> kk
2021-02-10T18:17:26 #kisslinux <tracer> It was moaning about some accessibility stuff, found a packe named libqaccessibilityclient on arch, made a kiss package and build it, started a fresh run, but in 1 hour I'll be afk, as usual :-)
2021-02-10T18:17:40 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, I like arch pkgbuild format.
2021-02-10T18:18:13 #kisslinux <tracer> but dislike arch for forcing the use of sudo.
2021-02-10T18:19:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> accessibility stuff...
2021-02-10T18:19:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat /var/db/kiss/installed/qt5 | grep accessibility ?
2021-02-10T18:19:51 #kisslinux <tracer> Guess you mean the manifest?
2021-02-10T18:19:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> kill the cat, waste a pipe
2021-02-10T18:20:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> definitely mean the build script smh
2021-02-10T18:20:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm losing it today doing to many things at once
2021-02-10T18:21:14 #kisslinux <tracer> you mean like so: grep accessi /var/db/kiss/installed/qt*/manifest
2021-02-10T18:21:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> grep accessi /var/db/kiss/installed/qt5/build
2021-02-10T18:22:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> we used to be able to build qt5 without accessibility but after a few version bumps build errors related to missing accessibility cropped up so I just settled for reenabling it
2021-02-10T18:22:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm concerned you accidentally built the community version of qt5 instead of the KISS-kde version basically
2021-02-10T18:23:23 #kisslinux <tracer> No result
2021-02-10T18:23:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> huh
2021-02-10T18:23:48 #kisslinux <tracer> I donÄt know what version my copy i baed on, I'll double check.
2021-02-10T18:24:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> no if it was empty that means qt5 should have accessibility support
2021-02-10T18:25:48 #kisslinux <tracer> WTF? Why does ist copy a qt.conf under /usr/bin?
2021-02-10T18:26:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> because otherwise qmake will eat itself
2021-02-10T18:26:51 #kisslinux <tracer> silly qmake.
2021-02-10T18:27:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> it shits the bed and doesn't find any of the Qt files correctly on *some* systems, not all, and /usr/bin is basically the only place qmake will look for the file
2021-02-10T18:27:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> silly INDEED
2021-02-10T18:27:46 #kisslinux <tracer> Strange, I though the Trolls would be more clever
2021-02-10T18:28:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes they're just obnoxious :v
2021-02-10T18:29:18 #kisslinux <tracer> But I like them, most of the time. I had the option to talk to Matthias Ettrich 20 years ago on a Linux Tag (=> German Linux Meeting). A clever guy.
2021-02-10T18:33:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Was a nice meeting, on the way back I shared seats with Karyn Kylander (who wrote the GUMP, Gimp User manual) and her husband, they were at the Linux Tag too and had an event in Hamburg that night. Was interesting. They were on a promo tour, had one girl from the publisher with them, invited me for the evening, but i stupidly resisted and wanted to pend some time with my girlfried. But the girl from the publisher was r
2021-02-10T18:33:17 #kisslinux <tracer> eally cute :-)
2021-02-10T18:34:25 #kisslinux <acheam> Do people generally like the current wiki system?
2021-02-10T18:36:07 #kisslinux <tracer> I thinks its functional.
2021-02-10T18:36:21 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i could do without the “fancy” decorations.  but generally,its ok.
2021-02-10T18:37:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I love the decorations
2021-02-10T18:38:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> gives it character and a feeling of structure
2021-02-10T18:38:14 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: that i the current qt5 build I use: https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/jjz236zy/
2021-02-10T18:38:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks correct to me
2021-02-10T18:39:08 #kisslinux <tracer> ok
2021-02-10T18:40:25 #kisslinux <tracer> Hnmm, I doubt the -no-libudev, I use systemd.
2021-02-10T18:40:45 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <dilyn "gives it character and a feeling"> my real only complaint would be the piping around the block code. it’s tedious to create and annoying to directly copy from
2021-02-10T18:40:51 #kisslinux <tracer> But that shouldn't be related to my QT/KDE problems at all.
2021-02-10T18:41:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: yeah
2021-02-10T18:42:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> mcpcpc: agree on that front, but copy-pasting is bloat
2021-02-10T18:42:20 #kisslinux <tracer> mcpcpc[m]: why not just use css for a block? Or would that be against Dylans ideals?
2021-02-10T18:45:31 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> tracer: the current piping was the style dylan chose to standardize.  generally, it renders well in a terminal window.
2021-02-10T18:46:16 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i would prefer if it was rather just indented.
2021-02-10T18:46:21 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I never used lynx or such with css, but braking the option to copy&paste is bad.
2021-02-10T18:46:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> but anyway, it’s a small gripe.
2021-02-10T18:46:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> :O  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Clang-PGO-Linux-Kernel
2021-02-10T18:46:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> clang op
2021-02-10T18:47:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> (until you write 12+ articles and you realize most of the time is spent getting the table and code block formatting right)
2021-02-10T18:49:08 #kisslinux <tracer> Did Dylan really use tables? I knew he was oldschool, but, what? Never checked out the source of the pages. Still trying to get my syste, up and running.
2021-02-10T18:52:03 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> tracer: don’t think so.
2021-02-10T18:53:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just text with a few things that get converted to HTML with a script he runs to regenerate the site on update
2021-02-10T18:53:47 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> at least no function in his ssg to do so.  all the tables are “hand crafted”.  lol.
2021-02-10T18:53:54 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ^
2021-02-10T18:54:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> he has templates, probably uses vim keybindings to quickly generate some or something
2021-02-10T18:54:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> but otherwise it's as sparse as can be. the source can be found here https://github.com/kisslinux/website
2021-02-10T18:55:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> docs/ is generated by ./make
2021-02-10T18:58:55 #kisslinux <ecast> /?
2021-02-10T18:59:01 #kisslinux <ecast> exit
2021-02-10T19:03:53 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i wonder if it would have made sense if the wiki was just one page or one flat file? you could then pipe into `less` or opened it in vim.
2021-02-10T19:04:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> idk.
2021-02-10T20:16:10 #kisslinux <rtrhckr> A filesystem based IRC client ^_^ https://termbin.com/42k69
2021-02-10T20:17:20 #kisslinux <rtrhckr> One folder per server. The server gets a stdin file for passing commands. One log file and one input file for every channel you connect to.
2021-02-10T20:21:51 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> well things have escalated quickly with the shell script irc client. lol.
2021-02-10T20:23:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is that like https://tools.suckless.org/ii/ ?
2021-02-10T20:24:51 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i think that is basically what he has created ^^
2021-02-10T20:25:36 #kisslinux <rtrhckr> Ha, needless to say your script was inspiring mcpcpc.
2021-02-10T20:26:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> :) its cool seeing everyone making modifitations!
2021-02-10T20:26:12 #kisslinux <rtrhckr> ominous_anonymou: hadnt seen ii before, I like their filesystem layout better, I think Ill adopt that.
2021-02-10T20:27:32 #kisslinux <rtrhckr> I have to reconnect though :joy:, a typo is causing my log files to be truncated on every received message
2021-02-10T20:36:59 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks for the response, mcpcpc[m]
2021-02-10T21:01:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://erthalion.info/2014/02/16/ii/
2021-02-10T21:16:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is amazing
2021-02-10T21:16:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> all hail fifo
2021-02-10T21:19:49 #kisslinux <aarng> https://github.com/aaronNGi/jj
2021-02-10T21:19:52 #kisslinux <aarng> shameless plug
2021-02-10T21:26:54 #kisslinux <acheam> lol its weird to see an IRC client whose code is 79% awk
2021-02-10T21:33:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I like the look of that aarng:
2021-02-10T21:42:42 #kisslinux <aarng> thx
2021-02-10T21:43:24 #kisslinux <aarng> compared to ii, it has pretty decent IRC protocol support
2021-02-10T21:44:40 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, there is a pure gawk IRC client too
2021-02-10T21:46:08 #kisslinux <aarng> GNU adds /dev/tcp to everything, surprised cat doesn't have it tbh :D
2021-02-10T21:46:53 #kisslinux <acheam> what... why....
2021-02-10T21:47:22 #kisslinux * acheam checks gawk manpage
2021-02-10T21:53:47 #kisslinux <aarng> tbf, it's one of the better GNU additions imo
2021-02-10T23:11:20 #kisslinux <Rio6> I don't get why it's *bash* that does /dev/tcp stuff
2021-02-10T23:13:38 #kisslinux <Rio6> at the same time idk what else should do it, other than the kernel itself
2021-02-10T23:32:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is the mksnapshot in the chromium build?
2021-02-10T23:33:07 #kisslinux <merakor> Rio6: If I remember well, there are many stuff built inside bash in order to recover from terrible situations. Especially when you cannot spawn a new process. Those additions are unnecessary 99 percent of the time, but extremely useful for disaster recovery.
2021-02-10T23:47:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Also reading on the matter of switching to self-hosting, I can create some space and add users on the Carbs server for hosting repositories and static websites if you decide to switch.