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2021-01-27T00:01:38 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesn't matter though, because IRC automatically turns your password into *****. See?
2021-01-27T00:02:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> finally, it worked
2021-01-27T00:02:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-01-27T00:03:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hurrayy. time to alias that shit so I dont have to type those pesky commands once more lol
2021-01-27T00:04:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> god damnit. seriously, does anyone else have issue with xorg/sowm freezing the windows? I often have to kill/restart xorg, due to windows no longer want to move/resize, neither am I able to open anything new. really annoying tbg
2021-01-27T00:05:43 #kisslinux <acheam> Does this happen with any other WM?
2021-01-27T00:06:39 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I cant say Ive had this issue when I tried xwm. I was going to try 2bwm aswell, but I couldnt get past using keybindings to start st or anything. but that part is probably my own fault
2021-01-27T00:07:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ive tried to see if I couldnt find anything in xorg log, but I personally cant find anything related anyway.
2021-01-27T00:07:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I cant imagine not using a keybinding to start a terminal lol
2021-01-27T00:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> only time I don't use a keybind is when my laptop is folded into a tablet lmao
2021-01-27T00:07:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise I have a dedicated func key for it
2021-01-27T00:08:06 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ditto. after starting to use keybindings on openbox earlier, I got really annoyd when I couldnt use them sometimes. having to manouver everything by mouse really kills it
2021-01-27T00:08:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice. mine doesnt do that. you have touch aswell? if so, does it even work on kiss?
2021-01-27T00:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it works on kiss
2021-01-27T00:12:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't even need external firmware
2021-01-27T00:12:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is surprising
2021-01-27T00:14:44 #kisslinux <acheam> libinput?
2021-01-27T00:14:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> thats really cool
2021-01-27T00:14:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, libinput handles it
2021-01-27T00:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> the CF-C2 toughbook is shockingly unreliant on proprietary crap
2021-01-27T00:16:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> thats always good news imo
2021-01-27T00:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything except the standard M.2 wireless runs properly without blobs
2021-01-27T00:16:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't think there's a BIOS whitelist
2021-01-27T00:16:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> soooooooooooo
2021-01-27T00:18:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> so no non-free video drivers or anything?
2021-01-27T00:18:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's right
2021-01-27T00:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it uses intel graphics so
2021-01-27T00:19:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> are you still using that blob, or did you resort to some other network adapter?
2021-01-27T00:19:16 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice
2021-01-27T00:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> still using the blob, haven't found a libre m.2 card yet
2021-01-27T00:20:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> cant you just use a usb one instead? that would occupy a usb port though...
2021-01-27T00:20:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-27T00:20:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus I'm not really a fan of that approach to stuff
2021-01-27T00:21:05 #kisslinux <acheam> USB adapters tend to be finnicky
2021-01-27T00:21:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I get that. laptops doesnt usually have too much ports anyway, and if you use alot of usb stuff, youll fall short quite fast if you occupy one all the time
2021-01-27T00:21:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> maybe. havent had much issue on my desktop though tbh.
2021-01-27T00:21:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, my laptop has three
2021-01-27T00:21:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm going to add another two soon
2021-01-27T00:21:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's not that there aren't enough ports :P
2021-01-27T00:21:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just don't like dongles and adapters
2021-01-27T00:22:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> mine does aswell. manufactureer couldve spared a couple more eh? C:
2021-01-27T00:23:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, for a 12" notebook I think three is alright
2021-01-27T00:23:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah, I see. yeah. I wouldnt be suprices if youve only got 2, or even one.
2021-01-27T00:24:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I've got 2 and a USB-C :2021-01-27T00:24:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> USB-C is such a meme
2021-01-27T00:24:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh but anon it goes in BOTH ways!"
2021-01-27T00:24:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I like it. I can plug in my monitor, charge my laptop, and plug in my mouse and keyboard with it
2021-01-27T00:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure but it's not widespread at all outside of phons
2021-01-27T00:24:46 #kisslinux <acheam> Its getting more widespread every day
2021-01-27T00:24:50 #kisslinux <Rio6> it goes in both ways on both ends
2021-01-27T00:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean you're talking to someone who still unironically uses VGA in $YEAR
2021-01-27T00:25:10 #kisslinux <acheam> No idea ever spreads if when its small you just say "its not widespread yet"
2021-01-27T00:25:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm probably a little biased
2021-01-27T00:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean
2021-01-27T00:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a fair argument
2021-01-27T00:25:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> except for the fact that one of the main appeals, if not the main appeal, of USB, is that it's "universal"
2021-01-27T00:25:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> if a "universal" connector just flat out isn't...
2021-01-27T00:26:18 #kisslinux <Rio6> which usb? usb-a usb-b usb-c usb2 usb3 micro usb mini usb
2021-01-27T00:26:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> C and mini
2021-01-27T00:26:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> although at least mini can kind of interoperate with micro
2021-01-27T00:27:11 #kisslinux <Rio6> all my micro usb connectors are failing and I hate it
2021-01-27T00:27:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> see I've never had that happen
2021-01-27T00:27:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to same PS3 controller for over ten years and never had a problem
2021-01-27T00:27:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/to/the/
2021-01-27T00:27:35 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> i used the same PS3 controller for over ten years and never had a problem
2021-01-27T00:27:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't type tonight apparently
2021-01-27T00:27:55 #kisslinux <Rio6> oh what's this kiss bot thing
2021-01-27T00:28:07 #kisslinux <Rio6> s/oh/test/
2021-01-27T00:28:07 #kisslinux <kissbot> <Rio6> test what's this kiss bot thing
2021-01-27T00:28:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can use that like sed
2021-01-27T00:28:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> to correct stuff
2021-01-27T00:28:22 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl set it up
2021-01-27T00:28:27 #kisslinux <Rio6> /test/d
2021-01-27T00:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think kissbot also echos changes to git?
2021-01-27T00:28:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> echo test
2021-01-27T00:28:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/echo/ehco/
2021-01-27T00:28:39 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> ehco test
2021-01-27T00:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/test/tost/
2021-01-27T00:28:44 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> echo tost
2021-01-27T00:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-01-27T00:29:00 #kisslinux <Rio6> this is neat
2021-01-27T00:29:18 #kisslinux <aarng> test test
2021-01-27T00:29:23 #kisslinux <aarng> s/test/foo/2
2021-01-27T00:29:31 #kisslinux <aarng> boo
2021-01-27T00:29:48 #kisslinux <Rio6> test
2021-01-27T00:29:55 #kisslinux <Rio6> s/t(es)t/1
2021-01-27T00:30:49 #kisslinux <Rio6> anyways, what alternatives to usbs are out there that's "universal"
2021-01-27T00:30:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something rs232
2021-01-27T00:31:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace 1960s communication standards
2021-01-27T00:32:29 #kisslinux <Rio6> just make wifi charging a thing
2021-01-27T00:33:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh
2021-01-27T00:33:49 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6: whats wrong with Qi?
2021-01-27T00:34:03 #kisslinux <Rio6> what's Qi
2021-01-27T00:34:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> wireless charging
2021-01-27T00:34:15 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6: the established wireless charging standard
2021-01-27T00:34:36 #kisslinux <Rio6> it's too short
2021-01-27T00:34:42 #kisslinux <Rio6> I mean wifi range
2021-01-27T00:34:50 #kisslinux * midfavila cackles
2021-01-27T00:34:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> funnee joke anon
2021-01-27T00:35:03 #kisslinux <Rio6> beaming micro wave lasers right to your phone
2021-01-27T00:35:08 #kisslinux <acheam> yesss I finally got zoom working in virtualbox I can finally rid my computer of this proprietary nonsense
2021-01-27T00:35:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> apple wave:tm:
2021-01-27T00:35:19 #kisslinux <Rio6> and accidently shoot through your brain and cook it
2021-01-27T00:38:34 #kisslinux <acheam> Now i'm considering installing openbsd....
2021-01-27T00:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> OpenBSD? More like OpenBaSeD
2021-01-27T00:58:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll leave
2021-01-27T00:59:33 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-01-27T00:59:51 #kisslinux <acheam> argh, but the virtualbox extension pack isn't available for openbsd, so I cant
2021-01-27T01:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> whyyy does proprietary software even exist
2021-01-27T01:01:51 #kisslinux <sad_plan> have anyone managed to get mpv to play invidious links? or yt. it wont work on kiss, but on artix, it just works for some reason.. theres no patches either afaik..
2021-01-27T01:02:28 #kisslinux <acheam> mpv relies on youtube-dl for youtube et al; functionality right?
2021-01-27T01:02:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> i belive so, yes
2021-01-27T01:02:47 #kisslinux <acheam> Sounds like an issue for youtube-dl then
2021-01-27T01:03:16 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hold on. i couldve swear i had that built. ill double check
2021-01-27T01:03:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nope. same error
2021-01-27T01:06:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw I just use a script to pipe ytdl into my media player
2021-01-27T01:06:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> youtube-dl -o - "$1" | ffplay -
2021-01-27T01:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's more, but that's the essence of it
2021-01-27T01:08:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> i see. and it works just like pasting the url into mpv?
2021-01-27T01:09:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, for the full script, yeah
2021-01-27T01:10:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just use a case statement that checks if "$1" contains a string beginning with http and then it dumps that url into youtube-dl
2021-01-27T01:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> which then pipes it into ffplay
2021-01-27T01:11:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> cool
2021-01-27T01:18:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> man I need to learn bash or just shell scripting in general
2021-01-27T01:18:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're gonna put the effort in, learn POSIX shel
2021-01-27T01:18:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/shel/shell/
2021-01-27T01:18:30 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> if you're gonna put the effort in, learn POSIX shell
2021-01-27T01:18:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> that way your scripts will work no matter what
2021-01-27T01:21:03 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes, ive actually thought about that. sh is also faster than bash afaik. however, in terms of learning. isnt learning bash easier to find resources for? now I havent looked too much after any of them, but yeh
2021-01-27T01:21:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't say bash is easier to learn
2021-01-27T01:21:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just that a lot of people confuse bash with POSIX shell and vice versa
2021-01-27T01:21:40 #kisslinux <acheam> At the level you will be using it at execution speed is a tiny difference. Anyhow, use `dash` if you want a fast POSIX implementation
2021-01-27T01:21:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> because "oh well it's all the scary black box who cares"
2021-01-27T01:22:06 #kisslinux <acheam> Its the worst when people but "#!/bin/sh" and then continue to put bashisms
2021-01-27T01:22:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've met people who describe themselves as le ebic haqqurs who don't know the difference between a shell and a terminal
2021-01-27T01:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it just
2021-01-27T01:22:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> makes me want to...
2021-01-27T01:22:27 #kisslinux * midfavila smashes their face against a wall
2021-01-27T01:24:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, the #!/bin/sh and bash was exacly what I was going to mention. seen it some times mentioned on reddit or whereever.
2021-01-27T01:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just a general pointer to some interpreter
2021-01-27T01:24:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can point it to python, lua, scheme, w/e
2021-01-27T01:25:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the kernel will execute it in the context of that interpreter
2021-01-27T01:25:20 #kisslinux <acheam> Or better, point it to "env"
2021-01-27T01:25:39 #kisslinux <acheam> Some systems like NixOS only have a single binary in /usr/bin, and its "env"
2021-01-27T01:25:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's that even do? every time I've used it, it just redirects to an interpreter with the same name
2021-01-27T01:26:14 #kisslinux <sad_plan> in any case, would you recommend any sources to learn posix shell? if you can come to think of any. Ive been meaning to learn programming, and started with python, but kept falling off over time. now I simpy dont really feel like learning python anyway, im more interested in C or posix sh
2021-01-27T01:26:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something read SICP
2021-01-27T01:27:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> what is even SICP? never heard of it before
2021-01-27T01:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but for real, as someone who's sorta been struggling with the "how do I do the thing" question for a long time, I wouldn't recommend you sit down and read a manual on a programming language
2021-01-27T01:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-01-27T01:27:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's MIT's old intro CS textbook
2021-01-27T01:27:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been studying it a bit recently
2021-01-27T01:27:28 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: instead of pointing directly to the binary of the target environment, it lets the env program handle it, so you can set env to automatically run all sh scripts in zsh, or use sh with certain flags always, etc
2021-01-27T01:27:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair enough then, thanks acheam
2021-01-27T01:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll start using env for non-posix scripts
2021-01-27T01:28:17 #kisslinux <acheam> also, a big peeve of mine is when people just use /bin instead of /usr/bin
2021-01-27T01:28:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I did managed to write a rock papaer sciccor game though, in python. it worked fine actually.
2021-01-27T01:28:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Im not too into books either, so a manuall probably isnt for me..
2021-01-27T01:29:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT uploaded 40 hours of lecture to youtube if it's worth anything
2021-01-27T01:29:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah
2021-01-27T01:29:11 #kisslinux <acheam> Waaay more than that from MIT
2021-01-27T01:29:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> just write programs to solve problems
2021-01-27T01:29:16 #kisslinux <acheam> Look up MIT opencourseware
2021-01-27T01:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-01-27T01:29:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I meant in relation to SICP
2021-01-27T01:29:25 #kisslinux <acheam> Ahhh
2021-01-27T01:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> opencourseware is where they published the SICP materials
2021-01-27T01:29:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> vintage rare 1986 tape recordings
2021-01-27T01:30:16 #kisslinux <acheam> sad_plan: maybe try taking a look at Dylan's simpler shell scripts and trying to understand how they look
2021-01-27T01:30:35 #kisslinux <acheam> once you get past the basic weird syntax, its pretty understandable
2021-01-27T01:30:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> just don't try modifying KISS or anything right away >.>;
2021-01-27T01:31:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, that might be an idea. I had a quick look at his "bible" aswell some time ago, but I forgot all of it by now anyway..
2021-01-27T01:31:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS is dense
2021-01-27T01:31:15 #kisslinux <acheam> there are some things you would never be able to guess though, for example the $@ variable is an array of the CLI arguments
2021-01-27T01:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> $# is the number of args
2021-01-27T01:31:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-01-27T01:31:31 #kisslinux <acheam> Those things you can only pick up from a book or from experience
2021-01-27T01:31:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> $1 through $9 are specific args
2021-01-27T01:31:39 #kisslinux <acheam> Those ones are very helpful to know
2021-01-27T01:31:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-01-27T01:31:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hahah, no im not going to. I was figuring I might write a file manager using tree in shell perhaps. should be toooo big of a project. I got some other ideas aswell
2021-01-27T01:32:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice to know about that stuff. have seen people using $1, but cant say ive seen peoople using 2+
2021-01-27T01:32:45 #kisslinux <acheam> Also, this is personal preference, but find a variable syntax you like an stick to it within a script. "${x}", ${x}, $x are all the same
2021-01-27T01:32:56 #kisslinux <acheam> sad_plan: sounds very ambitious
2021-01-27T01:33:03 #kisslinux <acheam> but if youre up for it, go ahead
2021-01-27T01:33:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> write a compiler in posix shell
2021-01-27T01:33:14 #kisslinux <acheam> A common first shell project is a system info utility
2021-01-27T01:33:16 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-01-27T01:33:35 #kisslinux <acheam> POSIX shell is turing-complete so theoretically you can do any computational task with it
2021-01-27T01:33:59 #kisslinux <sad_plan> its really just an idea. I would also like to learn C, and perhaps do something with st, or create my own wm or something. I couldve swear I saw someone wrote a wm after 8 months of learning C. but I could be wrong aswell
2021-01-27T01:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine writing a compiler in posix for your PhD or something
2021-01-27T01:34:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> the ultimate in academic shitposting
2021-01-27T01:34:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes, ill write another fetch tool, and imidiatly post it on unixporn. everones gonna hate me there. people keep spamming with those things
2021-01-27T01:37:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> wouldnt writing a compiler in sh be massivly inefficient, compared to i.e. C? but yeah, probably wouldve been a fun idea to shit on everyone with your posix sh compiler.
2021-01-27T01:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean yeah it would be ridiculously inefficient
2021-01-27T01:37:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's a flex
2021-01-27T01:38:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> practicality doesn't matter when you're flexing
2021-01-27T01:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-01-27T01:38:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah. maybe ill just but that on my todo list. for shits an giggles
2021-01-27T01:40:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> where is this "simpler shell script" you refered to? just any of them, or were you refering to a specifig one?
2021-01-27T01:50:48 #kisslinux <acheam> sad_plan: talk to mcpcpc[m]
2021-01-27T01:52:26 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/dylanaraps/pure-sh-bible
2021-01-27T01:52:45 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/dylanaraps/pash
2021-01-27T01:52:53 #kisslinux <acheam> some links to get you started
2021-01-27T01:55:37 #kisslinux <acheam> //github.com/koalaman/shellcheck
2021-01-27T01:55:44 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck
2021-01-27T01:56:35 #kisslinux <acheam> https://www.shellscript.sh/
2021-01-27T02:02:03 #kisslinux <sad_plan> much oblidged
2021-01-27T02:07:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I must say. Dylan been really good at selfdocumenting in the code he writes. Kudos to him
2021-01-27T02:08:35 #kisslinux <acheam> Thats very true
2021-01-27T02:09:27 #kisslinux <acheam> When I started learning how to code I told myself that I can't be hard at all just to comment my code! But now I have to constantly remind myself to do so before I write 300 lines of sphagetthi
2021-01-27T02:09:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish I could write spaghetti
2021-01-27T02:09:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I should really try and change my default to commenting too much instead of commenting to olittle
2021-01-27T02:10:13 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-01-27T02:10:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: do you think github integration would be a good feature for kissbot? I can setup a bot that has that feature. My only concern is that it may be a bit spammy.
2021-01-27T02:10:31 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah. Ive gone through code of other software, and its just plain unreadable for people who dont know code, due to lack of comments and such. suckless apps also seem to incorporate this, atleast to a certain degree. this is atleast really nice for me in any case.
2021-01-27T02:10:39 #kisslinux <acheam> There are other bots that do that really well already
2021-01-27T02:10:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot of projects' bots have git integration yeah
2021-01-27T02:10:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I think kissbot should try to hold true to KISS
2021-01-27T02:11:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk that's just me
2021-01-27T02:11:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, the bot I was thinking of is anything but simple :V
2021-01-27T02:11:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> lol, yeah, writing documentation probably isnt the most fun stuff. though itll help out in the long run when looking through it..
2021-01-27T02:11:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://github.com/jesopo/bitbot
2021-01-27T02:11:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I really like bitbot
2021-01-27T02:11:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> its creator is super weird, but yeah, bitbot is super feature rich
2021-01-27T02:11:53 #kisslinux <acheam> I was having trouble finding it because there are so many projects on github called bitbot lol
2021-01-27T02:12:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah not the best name lol
2021-01-27T02:12:24 #kisslinux <acheam> Lol i'm in like 5 IRC channels with Jess
2021-01-27T02:13:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jess is part of the freenode staff, too
2021-01-27T02:13:37 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-01-27T02:13:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anyways, I think I'll work on adding a title grabber to kissbot at some point
2021-01-27T02:13:58 #kisslinux <acheam> Those are nice
2021-01-27T02:14:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and maybe git integr after that... shrug
2021-01-27T02:14:52 #kisslinux <acheam> Honestly I don't think git integration adds too much
2021-01-27T02:15:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I like to keep all my git stuff in my email anyways
2021-01-27T02:15:53 #kisslinux <acheam> You can blame Drew Devault for that
2021-01-27T03:43:32 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I knew it. xwm froze eventually aswell as sowm did earlier today. any ideas on where to even begin? the xorg log doesnt really give me anything though. only tells me that my mouse is too slow really.. could that potentially be the issue? i recall xorg even froze when having kiss in a vm aswell..
2021-01-27T03:56:06 #kisslinux <acheam> whats your hardware?
2021-01-27T04:06:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ryzen 7 3700u and vega 7 picasso
2021-01-27T04:08:11 #kisslinux <acheam> and what drivers are you using?
2021-01-27T04:12:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan40> S/7/10
2021-01-27T04:12:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan40> Vega 10*
2021-01-27T04:36:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> the one from linux-firmware, aswell as the kernel ones.
2021-01-27T04:36:57 #kisslinux <sad_plan> to clearify, the windows are still usable, so wm isnt freezing per say, its more that the win key suddely no longer works. im not sure if it maybe related to eudev
2021-01-27T04:37:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> obvously with sowm/xwm this makes the desktop pretty useless, as Im no longer able to move, resize, or create new windows, except with cli commands
2021-01-27T05:11:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> re learning sh: dylan wrote the pure sh bible
2021-01-27T05:12:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a good reference for questions you might have on how to implmeent certain things
2021-01-27T05:37:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Yeah, I had a look at it earlier today, after it being mentioned. And it definitvly looks like a great resource to have at hand, when I actually start scripting. I looked at pash and some other stuff, and ended up at shellscript.sh, and it seems fine. Just havent gotten too far yet. Seems like great stuff. Acheam mentioned mcpcpc having something
2021-01-27T05:37:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aswell. So Im hoping he respondd aswell and hopfully have some good stuff at hand aswell C:
2021-01-27T08:26:37 #kisslinux <paniash> how's everyone doing today?
2021-01-27T08:35:21 #kisslinux <tracer> Good Morning.
2021-01-27T08:37:22 #kisslinux <tracer> Noticed something strange. I tried to build polkit from KISS-kde, but it failed on line 9, I'cant find the patches. Then exported KISS_DEBUG=1 to see where the files got, but then the error was gone. However, it bailed out with an error while patching which I'm going to trace now.
2021-01-27T08:39:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw the full log file should be under $XDG_CACHEDIR/kiss/
2021-01-27T08:39:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> $XDG_CACHEDIR defaults to ~/.cache/
2021-01-27T08:40:49 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi midfavila. Yes, but the is nothing mor in than on screen. Currently one patch failes, related to intltool.
2021-01-27T13:06:04 #kisslinux * mcpcpc[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/LutQWHarrOGlBkqHinjbMdrK/message.txt >
2021-01-27T13:11:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's certainly interesting midfavila
2021-01-27T13:32:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-01-27T13:35:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hai
2021-01-27T13:40:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> hihi
2021-01-27T13:49:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> polkit builds just fine for me
2021-01-27T13:50:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> what version of polkit are you building? 118 1 or 118 2?
2021-01-27T14:03:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm turns out i was building a wicked old version. damn this second install
2021-01-27T14:32:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> literally 20 hours spent compiling chromium; get to job 43610/43618, errors because of a *segmentation fault*. that's NOT EVEN USEFUL
2021-01-27T14:35:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Thank you, mcpcpc for your respons. Ill look into what you linked. And regarding writing a wm, I was not planing to do it at once, I was more refering to it down the line, when Ive become more comfortable with the C language.
2021-01-27T14:57:06 #kisslinux <konimex> dilyn: welcome to chromium, next time you got all 43618 compiling jobs complete you'll probably get some linker errors
2021-01-27T14:59:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-01-27T15:00:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> my best guess is because libopus and libwebp are static and have no shared libs >.<
2021-01-27T15:06:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> so dilyn you're gonna try with bundled libs now?
2021-01-27T15:07:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> eeeehhhhh
2021-01-27T15:23:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> (I would recommend that if one were going fully static, i just hadn't bothered to rebuild *everything* yet)
2021-01-27T15:23:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> with some fresh shared libs in place let's see if chromium just skips ahead right away to the end...
2021-01-27T15:38:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> ccache is a saint thank the lord
2021-01-27T15:54:41 #kisslinux <jedavies> dilyn, konimex: do you guys build the kernel with byacc?
2021-01-27T15:54:57 #kisslinux <konimex> I do, yes
2021-01-27T15:55:11 #kisslinux <jedavies> make YACC=byacc ?
2021-01-27T15:55:36 #kisslinux <jedavies> I get: byacc: unrecognized option: -
2021-01-27T15:55:47 #kisslinux <konimex> yes, you'll need a patch though
2021-01-27T15:56:28 #kisslinux <jedavies> This one? https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-kbuild/patch/20191029150119.19823-1-e5ten.arch⊙gc/
2021-01-27T15:57:11 #kisslinux <konimex> https://lkml.org/lkml/diff/2020/1/30/410/1 here's a newer one
2021-01-27T15:58:07 #kisslinux <jedavies> Thanks!
2021-01-27T16:21:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium builds successfully :o
2021-01-27T16:21:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> except libEGL.so isn't in out/Release! qq
2021-01-27T16:24:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> <dilyn "chromium builds successfully :o"> nice
2021-01-27T16:25:17 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: does it have a dependency against GTK?
2021-01-27T16:25:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> use_gtk is a config option, I'm not sure what happens if you disable it...
2021-01-27T16:25:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> Should've done that first tbh
2021-01-27T16:26:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> it uses aura , but gtk only for theming and file save dialog i guess
2021-01-27T16:27:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-01-27T16:39:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm, then chromium is no option for. Maybe Falkon. But at first i need to get my IPv6 up and running. Support takes a long time, always 30 up t50 minuten on th eline …
2021-01-27T18:43:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> by job we've done it lads
2021-01-27T18:44:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium launches. huzzah.
2021-01-27T18:44:37 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> great!
2021-01-27T18:45:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> now we just need to determine why sound isn't working :v
2021-01-27T18:49:53 #kisslinux <tracer> congrats, dilyn
2021-01-27T18:50:14 #kisslinux <tracer> I've got sddm runnung, but no fints :-(
2021-01-27T18:50:20 #kisslinux <tracer> font
2021-01-27T18:50:31 #kisslinux <tracer> _FontTransOpen: Unable to Parse address ${prefix}/share/fonts/X11/misc/
2021-01-27T18:50:45 #kisslinux <tracer> Any clue?
2021-01-27T18:51:23 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, dilyn, for the missing X11, I needed a symlink from /usr/X11 to /usr/X11R6
2021-01-27T18:51:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...
2021-01-27T18:51:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> that sounds wicked not right
2021-01-27T18:51:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> <tracer "_FontTransOpen: Unable to Parse "> that one is harmless i think
2021-01-27T18:52:40 #kisslinux <tracer> But sddm has no fonts, neither has lxqt.
2021-01-27T18:53:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it should just automagically use any font you have installed
2021-01-27T18:57:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Haha, I actually had no fonts installed.
2021-01-27T18:58:04 #kisslinux <tracer> Now I have a lxqt session, but it doesn't find any windmanger, bedides openbox and kwin are installed
2021-01-27T18:58:41 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, I'm on the hotline, regarding my IPv6 issue, 02:27:053 and still counting …
2021-01-27T18:58:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> goodness that's like forever
2021-01-27T18:59:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> if kwin is installed it should be able to launch from sddm... hm
2021-01-27T18:59:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> is your user in the video & input groups?
2021-01-27T18:59:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-01-27T19:01:16 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm still root, regular user comes when everything else works. Now I choose openbox as WM and then lxqt turned black.
2021-01-27T19:01:27 #kisslinux <tracer> That looks like an issue /usr/bin/lxqt-runner: error while loading shared libraries: libmuparser.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2021-01-27T19:02:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks like you'll need to install yet another program (:
2021-01-27T19:02:09 #kisslinux <tracer> yes, ldd confirms. I'l rebuild it.
2021-01-27T19:04:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> is there a way to manipulate volume without alsa-utils??
2021-01-27T19:04:30 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll try later or tomorrow, must spend some time with my wife, cu.
2021-01-27T19:04:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> ciao