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2021-01-15T02:14:00 #kisslinux <humosign> Hello!
2021-01-15T02:17:15 #kisslinux <humosign> I am using wyverkiss and while attempting to compile x264 I ran into an error simply saying "endian test failed".
2021-01-15T02:17:27 #kisslinux <humosign> I don't know why this happened.
2021-01-15T02:17:39 #kisslinux <humosign> So I would really appreciate a pointer.
2021-01-15T02:22:55 #kisslinux <humosign> konimex, did this ever happen to you?
2021-01-15T02:27:00 #kisslinux <konimex> I think I never encountered that problem
2021-01-15T02:27:21 #kisslinux <konimex> also I think I'll need to update using the newer repo-main for now
2021-01-15T02:28:33 #kisslinux <humosign> Oh, so
2021-01-15T02:28:59 #kisslinux <humosign> No wyverkiss for now?
2021-01-15T02:29:17 #kisslinux <konimex> two secs
2021-01-15T02:29:23 #kisslinux <humosign> Ok
2021-01-15T02:39:55 #kisslinux <konimex> as for x264, I can't reproduce your problems
2021-01-15T03:55:53 #kisslinux <humosign> humm that's a shame konimex
2021-01-15T04:00:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've encountered the x264 problem before a lot on both stock and gKISS
2021-01-15T04:00:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a known problem for the gentoo people too
2021-01-15T04:00:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think there's a patch on their bug reporting site for it
2021-01-15T04:00:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't know if there's an actual enduser fix
2021-01-15T04:01:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> (in my experience it's okay to just not have x264 for what it's worth)
2021-01-15T04:04:50 #kisslinux <humosign> well nice midfavila
2021-01-15T04:05:25 #kisslinux <humosign> i mean in theory ffmpeg can just use its internal h.264 library right?
2021-01-15T04:05:33 #kisslinux <humosign> isn't it badly loicensed though?
2021-01-15T04:05:42 #kisslinux <humosign> i forgot to mention
2021-01-15T04:05:52 #kisslinux <humosign> i'm the guy with the unknown-block problem
2021-01-15T04:06:07 #kisslinux <humosign> i fixed my boot by embedding the PARTUUID kernel parameter
2021-01-15T04:06:21 #kisslinux <humosign> by adding the missing drivers
2021-01-15T04:06:38 #kisslinux <mcf> humosign: did you try googling the issue? first result says it is caused by LTO. are you using -flto?
2021-01-15T04:06:53 #kisslinux <humosign> I don't use LTO
2021-01-15T04:08:20 #kisslinux <mcf> is it auto-detecting LTO? does building with --disable-lto work?
2021-01-15T04:08:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not LTO
2021-01-15T04:08:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know what the source of the problem is, but I know that that's not it
2021-01-15T04:08:41 #kisslinux <mcf> if that doesn't work either, then try removing the 2>/dev/null from configure so you can see what the error was
2021-01-15T04:09:21 #kisslinux <humosign> sure thing
2021-01-15T04:10:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbh I don't even think I would need 265... all of my video is either Theora or WebM
2021-01-15T04:11:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should really get around to re-encoding it to Theora, actually
2021-01-15T04:11:11 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i think i had the x264 problem once , not sure how i fixed it
2021-01-15T04:11:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-01-15T04:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem tends to mysteriously vanish
2021-01-15T04:11:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've found some packages don't like being built with alternative userspaces fwiw
2021-01-15T04:12:24 #kisslinux <humosign> if I were to really pick a vcodec to use universally it'd be AV1
2021-01-15T04:12:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> huh
2021-01-15T04:13:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> seems like it's pretty new
2021-01-15T04:13:11 #kisslinux <humosign> yep
2021-01-15T04:13:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> would explain why I've never heard of it
2021-01-15T04:13:26 #kisslinux <humosign> but I'll be watching h.264 videos
2021-01-15T04:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> what are the advantages of it over theora or webm, tldr?
2021-01-15T04:13:47 #kisslinux <humosign> well webm is vp9
2021-01-15T04:14:20 #kisslinux <humosign> and av1 is based on vp9 and improves on it regarding efficiency
2021-01-15T04:14:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah, gotcha
2021-01-15T04:15:02 #kisslinux <humosign> right at the top of wikipedia:
2021-01-15T04:15:06 #kisslinux <humosign> > In 2018 Facebook conducted testing that approximates real world conditions, the AV1 reference encoder achieved 34%, 46.2% and 50.3% higher data compression than libvpx-vp9, x264 high profile, and x264 main profile respectively.
2021-01-15T04:15:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> very nifty
2021-01-15T04:15:41 #kisslinux <humosign> yeah
2021-01-15T04:15:43 #kisslinux <mcf> humosign: x264 is only an h264 encoder. if you're just watching videos then you don't need it. but still, you should run configure test without 2>/dev/null so we can see what the problem was
2021-01-15T04:15:56 #kisslinux <humosign> oh
2021-01-15T04:16:09 #kisslinux <humosign> so I can just turn x264 support in ffmpeg off
2021-01-15T04:16:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-01-15T04:16:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I do
2021-01-15T04:16:23 #kisslinux <humosign> i'll do that though
2021-01-15T04:16:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> as an aside, man I wish seamonkey supported ALSA
2021-01-15T04:17:11 #kisslinux <humosign> oh about that
2021-01-15T04:17:20 #kisslinux <humosign> I'll probably make a personal repo
2021-01-15T04:17:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm?
2021-01-15T04:17:25 #kisslinux <mcf> humosign: i'm curious about the compile error. what error message do you get?
2021-01-15T04:17:27 #kisslinux <humosign> with netsurf
2021-01-15T04:17:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, that reminds me, I need to upload my repo too
2021-01-15T04:17:59 #kisslinux <humosign> wait
2021-01-15T04:18:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've got almost a hundred bits and bobs packaged at this point
2021-01-15T04:18:17 #kisslinux <humosign> how do I stop stderr from going to devnull
2021-01-15T04:18:51 #kisslinux <mcf> delete 2>/dev/null from the configure script (search for "endian test failed")
2021-01-15T04:20:01 #kisslinux <mcf> sed '/endian test failed/s,2>/dev/null,,' configure
2021-01-15T04:20:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> aha
2021-01-15T04:25:44 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> mcf: http://0x0.st/-z6R.txt
2021-01-15T04:26:59 #kisslinux <mcf> sorry, i meant you have to rewrite configure with that change. use sed -i
2021-01-15T04:27:12 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> um
2021-01-15T04:27:15 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> sorry
2021-01-15T04:27:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'm dumb, lol
2021-01-15T04:28:16 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i forgot what sed actually did
2021-01-15T04:29:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> OH
2021-01-15T04:31:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> I've had that x264 error
2021-01-15T04:32:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> I've had it caused by LTO and also rebuilding python inexplicably fixed it...
2021-01-15T04:32:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> >rebuilding python
2021-01-15T04:32:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> nani
2021-01-15T04:32:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> You can export the proper value for endianness and it should pass configure just fine
2021-01-15T04:32:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I was thinking about that dumb variable
2021-01-15T04:32:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> dilynm: what was it called?
2021-01-15T04:33:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> Idk it's in the configure script for x264
2021-01-15T04:33:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I was looking for it but it was too far down in my history
2021-01-15T04:33:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> Just search for the section for endian test and you'll see what it sets
2021-01-15T04:33:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> I never bothered saving the build script because I just did without x264 lmao
2021-01-15T04:33:47 #kisslinux <mcf> dilynm: that's for python's endianness check. it doesn't look like x264 has a way to override the check
2021-01-15T04:35:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> mcf:
2021-01-15T04:35:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> what does this do?
2021-01-15T04:35:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> if (${cross_prefix}strings -a conftest.o | grep -q BIGE) && (${cross_prefix}strings -a conftest.o | grep -q FPendian) ; then
2021-01-15T04:35:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> define WORDS_BIGENDIAN
2021-01-15T04:35:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> CPU_ENDIAN="big-endian"
2021-01-15T04:35:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> elif !(${cross_prefix}strings -a conftest.o | grep -q EGIB && ${cross_prefix}strings -a conftest.o | grep -q naidnePF) ; then
2021-01-15T04:35:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> die "endian test failed"
2021-01-15T04:35:30 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> fi
2021-01-15T04:35:39 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> it looks like it dies if it's not big endian
2021-01-15T04:36:07 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> that's inside the $compiler = "GNU" block
2021-01-15T04:36:19 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Oh
2021-01-15T04:36:20 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Nvm
2021-01-15T04:36:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It simply dies if it fails the little endian test
2021-01-15T04:36:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hm maybe I'm thinking of python failing for that reason
2021-01-15T04:36:52 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It did fail for me before I set the env variable for python dilynm
2021-01-15T04:36:56 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> But I forgot to write it down...
2021-01-15T04:37:32 #kisslinux <mcf> it only dies if its not big endian and not little endian. the problem is the configure script doesn't log the test results to config.log so you can't tell from the error message what went wrong
2021-01-15T04:39:13 #kisslinux <mcf> it could either be that compliing the test file failed, or that it succeeded but the object file didn't contain the expected string
2021-01-15T04:39:23 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It didn't contain it
2021-01-15T04:39:23 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Look
2021-01-15T04:40:00 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I ran it and got naidnePF first line
2021-01-15T04:40:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Then grep is empty
2021-01-15T04:40:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> When it does grep -q EGIB
2021-01-15T04:42:10 #kisslinux <mcf> i don't understand what you mean
2021-01-15T04:42:39 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> give me a sec
2021-01-15T04:44:16 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> look at the two checks
2021-01-15T04:44:26 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> for both endians
2021-01-15T04:44:43 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> they check for BIGE or EGIB
2021-01-15T04:44:52 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but I don't see either when I run strings -a conftest.o
2021-01-15T04:44:59 #kisslinux <mcf> what do you see?
2021-01-15T04:45:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> $ strings -a conftest.o
2021-01-15T04:45:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> naidnePF
2021-01-15T04:45:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> clang version 11.0.0
2021-01-15T04:45:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> .text
2021-01-15T04:45:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> .comment
2021-01-15T04:45:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> .note.GNU-stack
2021-01-15T04:45:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> .llvm_addrsig
2021-01-15T04:45:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> conftest.c
2021-01-15T04:45:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> .strtab
2021-01-15T04:45:11 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> .symtab
2021-01-15T04:45:11 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> .data
2021-01-15T04:45:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> newline fever
2021-01-15T04:45:25 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> srry
2021-01-15T04:45:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> no worries :p
2021-01-15T04:45:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yeah kirc isn't very fancy
2021-01-15T04:45:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> anyway
2021-01-15T04:45:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> IRC isn't very fancy
2021-01-15T04:45:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yeah
2021-01-15T04:45:56 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> overall yeah i suppose
2021-01-15T04:46:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> XMPP beats it
2021-01-15T04:46:18 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Not the simplicity though
2021-01-15T04:46:21 #kisslinux <mcf> does this happen without any cflags? like just writing that line to test.c and `clang -c test.c && strings -a test.o`
2021-01-15T04:46:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i did cc conftest.c -c -o conftest.o just now
2021-01-15T04:46:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> no $CFLAGS
2021-01-15T04:46:59 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> same output
2021-01-15T04:48:20 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> mcf
2021-01-15T04:48:25 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> do you think the check is broken?
2021-01-15T04:48:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'm going to install gcc in termux lol
2021-01-15T04:49:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oh neat
2021-01-15T04:49:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> they replaced it with llvm
2021-01-15T04:49:40 #kisslinux <mcf> interesting, i wonder if clang is compiling the test differently, or strings isn't detecting the data as a string
2021-01-15T04:51:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wouldn't doubt clang compiling it wrong...
2021-01-15T04:52:04 #kisslinux <mcf> humosign_pc: can you upload your conftest.o somewhere?
2021-01-15T04:53:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yep, it's clang doing something wrong
2021-01-15T04:53:19 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i just tried this with clang on termux (!)
2021-01-15T04:53:25 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> and I see egib
2021-01-15T04:53:39 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> same reported version obviously, 11.0.0
2021-01-15T04:54:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> mcf: http://0x0.st/-zIP.o
2021-01-15T04:55:44 #kisslinux <mcf> oh, interesting. my strings reports both EGIB and naidnePF on that file. where does your strings command come from?
2021-01-15T04:55:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i don't actually know where my strings command comes from
2021-01-15T04:55:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Should be llvm
2021-01-15T04:56:11 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i was trying to find that
2021-01-15T04:56:26 #kisslinux <dilynm> kiss-owns /usr/bin/strings
2021-01-15T04:57:23 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oh.
2021-01-15T04:57:24 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> sbase
2021-01-15T04:57:26 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I hate sbase
2021-01-15T04:57:30 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'm going to uninstall it
2021-01-15T04:57:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> F
2021-01-15T04:57:33 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It's failed me so many times
2021-01-15T04:57:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I can't handle it anymore
2021-01-15T04:57:58 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oops
2021-01-15T04:58:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I didn't switch my stuff back ;_;
2021-01-15T04:58:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah some of the suckless utilities are uh
2021-01-15T04:58:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> sucky
2021-01-15T04:58:11 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'll figure something out
2021-01-15T04:58:23 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> sbase is unusable
2021-01-15T04:58:25 #kisslinux <dilynm> As long as mv works you can switch it all back manually
2021-01-15T04:58:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2021-01-15T04:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's mostly fine
2021-01-15T04:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just replace strings and friends with binutils
2021-01-15T04:59:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> supplement with some extra utilities to round things out and bam. a nice mid-weight userland
2021-01-15T04:59:07 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> ok
2021-01-15T04:59:20 #kisslinux <mcf> send bug reports and patches, then. the real problem is that tons of scripts require gnu-specific options and behavior
2021-01-15T04:59:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i need a kiss chroot for getting my stuff back
2021-01-15T05:00:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> you can just use the busybox binary directly
2021-01-15T05:00:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> well true
2021-01-15T05:00:12 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> right
2021-01-15T05:02:05 #kisslinux <mcf> it's not really fair to claim sbase is "unusable" without investigating whether the problem is with sbase or non-portable scripts you are running
2021-01-15T05:02:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> ^
2021-01-15T05:03:18 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hmm, even kiss failed to create packages with it :/
2021-01-15T05:03:25 #kisslinux <mcf> and i'm not really aware of an alternative that doesn't require a compiler with a bunch of GNU C extensions
2021-01-15T05:06:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> if they ever finished uutils...
2021-01-15T05:06:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> But then you need rust >.<
2021-01-15T05:08:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> which has a whole host of its own problems
2021-01-15T05:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I think the suckless tools are fine, save for a few
2021-01-15T05:08:30 #kisslinux <mcf> it just really bugs me when people passively complain about things without trying to help improve them. if there is a real bug in sbase, then *please* report it to the mailing list, or else i can't fix it
2021-01-15T05:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> totally fair
2021-01-15T05:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw I agree that the problem is people assuming that GNU is the norm
2021-01-15T05:09:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> even though GNU is the norm on most Linux systems, outside of that, it's totally useless. using what amounts to platform-specific extensions defeats one of the main advantages of shell scripts
2021-01-15T05:09:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> My lack of use of s/ubase is because of what I think are problems with the packages I want, not the utilities :S
2021-01-15T05:10:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, like I said, try swapping out some of them with other packages :p
2021-01-15T05:11:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> Well busybox is so comprehensive it's hard
2021-01-15T05:11:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I usually supplement {u,s}base with gnugrep, libarchive, diffutils, findutils, patch, and some other stuff I've packaged on my own
2021-01-15T05:11:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> binutils too
2021-01-15T05:11:33 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> btw why do people here avoid rust packages ? is it because of build times?
2021-01-15T05:11:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> Like, not even sbase+ubase+toybox+a flurry of other tools covers it
2021-01-15T05:11:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> Mostly
2021-01-15T05:11:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> try using heirloom
2021-01-15T05:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I avoid rust for a few reasons
2021-01-15T05:11:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> one because of the ungodly build times
2021-01-15T05:12:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> two because mozilla is fuckin disgusting
2021-01-15T05:12:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-01-15T05:12:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> three because I don't use enough software written in rust to justify going through the hoops of rustc
2021-01-15T05:12:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I avoid anything written in rust
2021-01-15T05:12:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> I mean I'm trying out uutils with libarchive, nawk, ripgrep, and toybox
2021-01-15T05:13:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> Because fuck a gpl
2021-01-15T05:13:16 #kisslinux <mcf> rust is a nightmare to build and even worse to bootstrap, and the musl situation is a mess, so all distributions have to patch it to behave reasonably
2021-01-15T05:13:26 #kisslinux <dilynm> ^
2021-01-15T05:13:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can understand the BSD folks not liking the GPL but I think it has a place
2021-01-15T05:13:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah, and that place is not anywhere on my system
2021-01-15T05:13:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> XD
2021-01-15T05:13:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> (then again I also consider myself primarily a hobbyist so grrrrrrrrrr corporations)
2021-01-15T05:14:55 #kisslinux <dilynm> Bootstrapping rust is horrifying. Just reading about it gave me nightmares
2021-01-15T05:15:25 #kisslinux <dilynm> Thank God konimex did the work for me or I would've never bothered
2021-01-15T05:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just stick to C stuff for the most part
2021-01-15T05:15:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> permissive loicenses assumes proprietary=not inherently bad
2021-01-15T05:16:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> like it somehow has something good to it
2021-01-15T05:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but proprietary loicenses aren't inherently bad
2021-01-15T05:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's what they're used for
2021-01-15T05:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why RMS wrote the GPL
2021-01-15T05:17:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> sure
2021-01-15T05:17:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> Humosign: I think that's a leap
2021-01-15T05:17:31 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> not necessarily
2021-01-15T05:17:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> a lot of people justify permissive licenses that way
2021-01-15T05:17:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> I think it's more accurate to say permissive licenses make NO assumptions
2021-01-15T05:18:07 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but yes
2021-01-15T05:18:12 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> they don't assume anything themselves
2021-01-15T05:18:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> For instance, I think propietary is heckin' bad, but I've vowed to always license my stuff MIT or similarly
2021-01-15T05:19:00 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> nice
2021-01-15T05:19:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT is a nice, neutral license
2021-01-15T05:19:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't have any issues with it, personally - w-
2021-01-15T05:19:15 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> enjoy having your code stolen and siloed by $corporation
2021-01-15T05:19:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> I guess I think that critical stuff should be forced into the open by law
2021-01-15T05:19:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-01-15T05:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like, the system's C library, or its core userspace, that kind of thing
2021-01-15T05:20:12 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Don't forget the story of intel me
2021-01-15T05:20:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but bro
2021-01-15T05:20:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's okay bro
2021-01-15T05:20:28 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> minix stolen for use in the ring -3 rootkit
2021-01-15T05:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> minix has the largest installbase
2021-01-15T05:20:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> $corporation already has access to what amounts to my entire public persona with the right amount of money anyways, what do I care about $software
2021-01-15T05:20:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> tannenbaum is on such copium
2021-01-15T05:20:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yes dilynm
2021-01-15T05:21:01 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but why do the work for them? for FREE?
2021-01-15T05:21:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> Eh
2021-01-15T05:21:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> I don't believe in money
2021-01-15T05:21:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-01-15T05:21:20 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> it's not money
2021-01-15T05:21:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> it's your effort
2021-01-15T05:21:26 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> unrewarded
2021-01-15T05:21:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-01-15T05:21:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> why not use a license that prevents them from making money off of you then?
2021-01-15T05:21:35 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> not even unrewarded
2021-01-15T05:21:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> I mean I didn't do it for them, so ostensibly I've lost nothing
2021-01-15T05:21:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but misused
2021-01-15T05:21:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> > why not use a license that prevents them from making money off of you then?
2021-01-15T05:22:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Isn't that the cddl
2021-01-15T05:22:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> I think we fundamentally disagree on the premise here
2021-01-15T05:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure, I haven't heard of it before
2021-01-15T05:22:48 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It's the license zfs uses
2021-01-15T05:22:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Or openzfs anyway
2021-01-15T05:22:55 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> zfsonlinux
2021-01-15T05:22:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> zee eff ess
2021-01-15T05:22:56 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'm not sure
2021-01-15T05:22:59 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Either an implementation
2021-01-15T05:23:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> Like in my mind someone's use of my stuff isn't even a transaction, by definition. So there's nothing to misuse or lose
2021-01-15T05:23:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Or the whole spec itself
2021-01-15T05:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder if you can use HAMMER on linux
2021-01-15T05:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that'd be neat
2021-01-15T05:23:27 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> That's an age long hope
2021-01-15T05:23:33 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> dilynm: I understand
2021-01-15T05:23:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only BSDs I've tried are Net and Dragonfly
2021-01-15T05:23:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Dragonfly was really fun to use
2021-01-15T05:23:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I haven't tried dfbsd
2021-01-15T05:23:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it doesn't support my fuckin mouse >:V
2021-01-15T05:23:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> But I tried open net and free
2021-01-15T05:23:59 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> In that order
2021-01-15T05:24:14 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> My homeserver runs freebsd
2021-01-15T05:24:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> your mouse doesn't work?
2021-01-15T05:24:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> what the hell?
2021-01-15T05:24:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T05:24:27 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> also
2021-01-15T05:24:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> My
2021-01-15T05:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's an ancient kensington 64215
2021-01-15T05:24:34 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> thing is still broken
2021-01-15T05:24:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> first gen trackball
2021-01-15T05:24:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> nice
2021-01-15T05:25:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I've got two of them
2021-01-15T05:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're super /comfy/
2021-01-15T05:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> although the middle-click functionality is a little strange on linux
2021-01-15T05:25:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> humm
2021-01-15T05:25:43 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> WHAT THE HELL
2021-01-15T05:25:43 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jan 10 00:14 /usr/bin/ls -> sbase-box
2021-01-15T05:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> what?
2021-01-15T05:25:55 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> and sbase-box does not exist
2021-01-15T05:26:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, dead symlink
2021-01-15T05:26:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> v nice
2021-01-15T05:26:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yep.
2021-01-15T05:26:12 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> idk where it is
2021-01-15T05:26:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you still have the binary I'd just unpack sbase and install it
2021-01-15T05:26:45 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> didn't you remove sbase right now?
2021-01-15T05:26:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> then "install" sbase so that you can use kiss to switch to something else
2021-01-15T05:27:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Yes I did remove it by accident
2021-01-15T05:27:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> then the symlinks arw broken due to kiss alternatives
2021-01-15T05:27:20 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yep
2021-01-15T05:27:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> just use `busybox ln -sf`
2021-01-15T05:29:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yay I got it back
2021-01-15T05:29:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I did
2021-01-15T05:29:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> kiss a | busybox grep ^
2021-01-15T05:29:28 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> busybox | kiss a -
2021-01-15T05:29:35 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> idk why that split
2021-01-15T05:29:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> my commands are back now
2021-01-15T05:30:02 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> nice
2021-01-15T05:30:43 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yeah... I think I'll stick with busybox
2021-01-15T05:30:47 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I don't see anything bad with it
2021-01-15T05:31:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> A super nice feature for kiss would be doing that swap automatically when the alternative was no longer necessary
2021-01-15T05:31:01 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'll probably use some from k9utils
2021-01-15T05:31:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Yeah
2021-01-15T05:31:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> To avoid exactly what happened just now
2021-01-15T05:31:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-01-15T05:31:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> I mean it's technically never a problem, and it's easily worked around
2021-01-15T05:31:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Yeah
2021-01-15T05:31:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> But #concenience
2021-01-15T05:31:48 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> So I think it's unnecessary
2021-01-15T05:31:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Just have to be careful now
2021-01-15T05:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> k9utils?
2021-01-15T05:32:35 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> convenience more like 🅱️loat
2021-01-15T05:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-01-15T05:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> this but unironically
2021-01-15T05:32:52 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> You are right
2021-01-15T05:32:59 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I know
2021-01-15T05:33:03 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I 100% blame myself from this
2021-01-15T05:33:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I should've seen this coming
2021-01-15T05:33:14 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> kiss uber alles still
2021-01-15T05:34:02 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I should totally be able to build x264 now
2021-01-15T05:34:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Oh
2021-01-15T05:34:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Yep.
2021-01-15T05:34:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It worked.
2021-01-15T05:34:59 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> nice
2021-01-15T05:35:00 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It really is a problem with sbase strings
2021-01-15T05:36:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I didn't notice my statusbar stopped working when I broke my utils <_<
2021-01-15T05:37:36 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I could've ran out of battery on the spot lol
2021-01-15T05:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> big rip
2021-01-15T05:38:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to see if I can get a new battery for my laptop, actually
2021-01-15T05:38:23 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Me too
2021-01-15T05:38:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> what model have you got?
2021-01-15T05:38:36 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> A Lenovo G50-80
2021-01-15T05:38:39 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It's a who laptop
2021-01-15T05:38:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> But my TP T430
2021-01-15T05:38:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> >lenovo
2021-01-15T05:38:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-01-15T05:38:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Its keyboard broke
2021-01-15T05:39:04 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I don't like this laptop
2021-01-15T05:39:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> The keyboard is already getting mushy
2021-01-15T05:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> the modern lenovo thinkpads are kind of crap honestly
2021-01-15T05:39:17 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> And the battery came at 59% capacity
2021-01-15T05:39:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Yes midfavila
2021-01-15T05:39:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't stand using them
2021-01-15T05:39:26 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Not kind of crap
2021-01-15T05:39:28 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> They ARE crap
2021-01-15T05:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially after I got my hands on an IBM A31p for a while
2021-01-15T05:39:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I still have dreams about that baby
2021-01-15T05:39:44 #kisslinux * midfavila drools
2021-01-15T05:39:47 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Nice.
2021-01-15T05:39:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> some jackass stole it from me after I'd modded it to hell and back
2021-01-15T05:40:07 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> NOOOOOO
2021-01-15T05:40:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> dual CF cards for storage, 1600x1200 display, triple batteries, wireless, bluetooth and IrDA...
2021-01-15T05:40:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> added a smartcard reader and some more USB ports through the PCMCIA slots
2021-01-15T05:40:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was based
2021-01-15T05:41:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I went without a laptop for about a year and a half 'cuz I have like... thinkpad PTSD now and can't use them
2021-01-15T05:41:28 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> jeez......
2021-01-15T05:41:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but now I've got a Panasonic CF-C2
2021-01-15T05:41:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> panasonic huh
2021-01-15T05:41:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude
2021-01-15T05:41:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I've never heard of it
2021-01-15T05:42:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> panasonic manufactures ruggedized equipment
2021-01-15T05:42:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Not even panasonic laptops to begin with
2021-01-15T05:42:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait
2021-01-15T05:42:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> waitwaitwait
2021-01-15T05:42:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you've never heard of panasonic in general?
2021-01-15T05:42:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> or am I missin' something?
2021-01-15T05:42:26 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I did hear of panasonic
2021-01-15T05:42:31 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> But not panasonic making laptops
2021-01-15T05:42:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was gonna say, that'd be like not knowing about GE
2021-01-15T05:42:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, they do make laptops
2021-01-15T05:42:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Lol right
2021-01-15T05:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're pretty nice
2021-01-15T05:42:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Toughbooks
2021-01-15T05:42:48 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Hm
2021-01-15T05:42:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup!
2021-01-15T05:42:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I'm a Getac guy
2021-01-15T05:42:56 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> How old is that lappy btw
2021-01-15T05:43:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> the CF-C2? only about four years old
2021-01-15T05:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get them for around 200$ on ebay
2021-01-15T05:43:17 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It's intel isn't it
2021-01-15T05:43:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T05:43:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Skylake?
2021-01-15T05:43:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine's running a 4300u
2021-01-15T05:43:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> haswell
2021-01-15T05:43:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> the based microarchitecture
2021-01-15T05:43:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Ok
2021-01-15T05:43:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> You can mitigate ME then I guess
2021-01-15T05:43:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ACTUALLY
2021-01-15T05:43:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> funny you mention that
2021-01-15T05:43:52 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> The only based microarchitecture is one that isn't x86 based
2021-01-15T05:43:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah
2021-01-15T05:44:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> Haswell op
2021-01-15T05:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the CF-C2 actually lets you cripple the ME without any fuss
2021-01-15T05:44:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> like you can disable all of its networking and shit through a menu at boot time
2021-01-15T05:44:59 #kisslinux <humosign> humm neat
2021-01-15T05:45:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup!
2021-01-15T05:45:06 #kisslinux <humosign> this laptop is haswell too
2021-01-15T05:45:24 #kisslinux <humosign> but ive been using ivy bridge since it came out lol
2021-01-15T05:45:26 #kisslinux <konimex> <dilynm "Bootstrapping rust is horrifying"> honestly it's a nightmare because the bootstrap is dynamically linked, if it's statically linked then I don't have to release my own tarballs
2021-01-15T05:45:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you've ever seen an x*t thinkpad the Cf-C2 is like that
2021-01-15T05:45:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> except wearing a bulletproof vest, and not shit
2021-01-15T05:45:57 #kisslinux <humosign> like the tablet version? the shape you mean?
2021-01-15T05:46:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude
2021-01-15T05:46:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it even has a similar hinge mechanism
2021-01-15T05:46:08 #kisslinux <humosign> neat
2021-01-15T05:46:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> except panasonic added two additional hinges
2021-01-15T05:46:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's not unstable and fragile as shit
2021-01-15T05:46:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> The power of a static build smh
2021-01-15T05:46:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> the wacom digitiser even works without drivers
2021-01-15T05:46:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's wild
2021-01-15T05:46:43 #kisslinux <humosign> and how is the keyboard?
2021-01-15T05:46:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's good and bad
2021-01-15T05:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> obviously, as a 12.1" model, you're not going to have tons of keys
2021-01-15T05:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's also the fact that ruggedized units have 25% larger standard keys
2021-01-15T05:47:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like, your alphanumerics, arrow keys, etc, are all a little larger than usual
2021-01-15T05:47:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is nice
2021-01-15T05:47:33 #kisslinux <humosign> oh yeah
2021-01-15T05:47:40 #kisslinux <humosign> also i looked at pics
2021-01-15T05:47:45 #kisslinux <humosign> nice laptop
2021-01-15T05:47:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then your tab and forward slash and stuff are a little smaller
2021-01-15T05:47:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it takes an hour or two to adjust is what I'm trying to say
2021-01-15T05:48:02 #kisslinux <humosign> gotcha
2021-01-15T05:48:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of keyfeel though, it's shockingly nice
2021-01-15T05:48:05 #kisslinux <humosign> oh
2021-01-15T05:48:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> like probably late IBM early Lenovo era keyfeel
2021-01-15T05:48:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> plenty of travel
2021-01-15T05:48:19 #kisslinux <humosign> nice.
2021-01-15T05:48:23 #kisslinux <humosign> and how hot does it get?
2021-01-15T05:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> not at all!
2021-01-15T05:48:36 #kisslinux <humosign> finally
2021-01-15T05:48:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> even compiling for hours and hours, it barely gets warm
2021-01-15T05:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's completely silent too because it uses passive cooling
2021-01-15T05:48:52 #kisslinux <humosign> im tired of palm burner laptops
2021-01-15T05:49:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had to make a comparison...
2021-01-15T05:49:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the same level of warmth as a nice cup of hot chocolate
2021-01-15T05:49:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> (under load)
2021-01-15T05:49:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's actually kind of nice
2021-01-15T05:49:29 #kisslinux <mcf> humosign: http://git.suckless.org/sbase/commit/5377a9c3d16aefe4fc18025edb738676634c95f5.html
2021-01-15T05:49:43 #kisslinux <humosign> lol neat
2021-01-15T05:49:59 #kisslinux <humosign> oh, great mcf
2021-01-15T05:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> what blows me away is the battery life though
2021-01-15T05:50:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> even running on a used 50% capacity standard battery, it lasts for over fifteen hours under regular use
2021-01-15T05:51:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, everything except the wireless seems to work without proprietary blobs
2021-01-15T05:51:38 #kisslinux <humosign> WOW
2021-01-15T05:51:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is based
2021-01-15T05:51:45 #kisslinux <humosign> same on this laptop
2021-01-15T05:51:50 #kisslinux <humosign> but its some plastic crap
2021-01-15T05:51:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think this is magnesium alloy
2021-01-15T05:52:06 #kisslinux <humosign> well and probably the video too?
2021-01-15T05:52:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, the video works too
2021-01-15T05:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> since it's just generic intel graphics
2021-01-15T05:52:26 #kisslinux <humosign> cool
2021-01-15T05:52:32 #kisslinux <humosign> wait but if its passive
2021-01-15T05:52:42 #kisslinux <humosign> have you looked at the cpu temp?
2021-01-15T05:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, actually. how'd you do that? /proc, /sys?
2021-01-15T05:53:08 #kisslinux <humosign> lemme see
2021-01-15T05:53:29 #kisslinux <humosign> somewhere in /sys/class/thermal midfavila
2021-01-15T05:53:59 #kisslinux <humosign> it worries me how hot it gets if you push it so long
2021-01-15T05:54:10 #kisslinux <humosign> and passive
2021-01-15T05:54:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it uses the entire case as a cooler :P
2021-01-15T05:54:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus the U processors are super low TDP anyway
2021-01-15T05:54:36 #kisslinux <humosign> makes sense
2021-01-15T05:54:42 #kisslinux <humosign> I like this laptop.
2021-01-15T05:54:56 #kisslinux <humosign> would it be a wise buy?
2021-01-15T05:54:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had to describe it in a few words...
2021-01-15T05:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not fancy, it doesn't have the latest features, and it's not the fastest machine on the block
2021-01-15T05:55:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but
2021-01-15T05:55:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it nails every single core aspect that a serious user would care about in a laptop
2021-01-15T05:55:37 #kisslinux <humosign> yeah and I don't care about any of those three up there :P
2021-01-15T05:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only flaw that I can nitpick it for is that the screen resolution leaves something to be desired
2021-01-15T05:55:53 #kisslinux <humosign> is it 768p
2021-01-15T05:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-01-15T05:56:02 #kisslinux <humosign> fine by me
2021-01-15T05:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> then yeah pick it up
2021-01-15T05:56:07 #kisslinux <humosign> i'm used to it by now
2021-01-15T05:56:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, if you want, you can even dump a 4G modem in this thing
2021-01-15T05:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm tempted to do so since it has RF killswitches
2021-01-15T05:56:35 #kisslinux <humosign> i saw wow
2021-01-15T05:56:38 #kisslinux <humosign> NICE
2021-01-15T05:56:42 #kisslinux <humosign> and GPS too?
2021-01-15T05:56:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup!
2021-01-15T05:56:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and dual-frequency wireless and bluetooth are standard
2021-01-15T05:56:57 #kisslinux <humosign> this laptop would be amazing for a trip
2021-01-15T05:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I can't gush about this model enough
2021-01-15T05:57:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> hotswappable batteries are a thing too
2021-01-15T05:57:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's got a thinkpad-style dock available
2021-01-15T05:57:56 #kisslinux <humosign> Very good
2021-01-15T05:58:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, you can get your hands on proprietary upgrade modules to add VGA, serial, and some other stuff
2021-01-15T05:58:10 #kisslinux <humosign> why aren't these memed around everywhere I wonder
2021-01-15T05:58:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> because most people don't want such a heavy, bulky machine :p
2021-01-15T05:58:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> those that don't care about that likely just don't know
2021-01-15T05:58:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> after all, panasonic isn't a company that comes to mind when you think "business laptop"
2021-01-15T05:59:06 #kisslinux <humosign> true
2021-01-15T06:00:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, also
2021-01-15T06:00:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it has a mono speaker
2021-01-15T06:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure if you care about that
2021-01-15T06:01:34 #kisslinux <humosign> meh
2021-01-15T06:01:42 #kisslinux <humosign> i really dont care about laptop speakers
2021-01-15T06:01:46 #kisslinux <humosign> midfavila
2021-01-15T06:01:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, same
2021-01-15T06:01:52 #kisslinux <humosign> hows the audio chip on the thing
2021-01-15T06:02:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm. i don't know if I'd be qualified to answer that
2021-01-15T06:02:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm honestly not an audiophile
2021-01-15T06:02:18 #kisslinux <humosign> well I have some decent headphones
2021-01-15T06:02:24 #kisslinux <humosign> moondrop starfields
2021-01-15T06:02:30 #kisslinux <humosign> but tbh
2021-01-15T06:02:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I will say that its audio is clear and flat
2021-01-15T06:02:39 #kisslinux <humosign> good
2021-01-15T06:02:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> you won't face distortion or anything
2021-01-15T06:02:43 #kisslinux <humosign> no weird vshape
2021-01-15T06:02:45 #kisslinux <humosign> or distortion
2021-01-15T06:02:48 #kisslinux <humosign> lol
2021-01-15T06:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> there shouldn't be
2021-01-15T06:02:56 #kisslinux <humosign> or audio dips
2021-01-15T06:03:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> even playing at maxmimum output there wasn't any distortion I could hear
2021-01-15T06:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again I also have a junky logitech headset
2021-01-15T06:03:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> (but some sony headphones are on their way)
2021-01-15T06:03:31 #kisslinux <humosign> chances are it's fine then
2021-01-15T06:03:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it's fine
2021-01-15T06:03:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I'd describe its multimedia capabilities as, honestly
2021-01-15T06:03:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> "fine"
2021-01-15T06:03:51 #kisslinux <humosign> it does have aux though right
2021-01-15T06:04:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah, it's got a 3.5mm audio jack
2021-01-15T06:04:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> both line in and out
2021-01-15T06:04:16 #kisslinux <humosign> yay no compound port
2021-01-15T06:04:22 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-01-15T06:04:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I said, it hits it out of the park on all the small details
2021-01-15T06:04:43 #kisslinux <humosign> totally
2021-01-15T06:04:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just got a few odd quirks
2021-01-15T06:05:01 #kisslinux <humosign> tell me about them
2021-01-15T06:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but, honestly, it's such an awesome little machine that I actually like it that waya
2021-01-15T06:05:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean
2021-01-15T06:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I said, keyboard is a little different than standard layout because of the design
2021-01-15T06:05:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> screen is low res
2021-01-15T06:05:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> mono speaker
2021-01-15T06:05:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhhhhh... hotswappable batteries are a thing
2021-01-15T06:05:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> drive has its own shock-mounted caddy which is nifty
2021-01-15T06:06:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> could probably hotswap it if you were booted off of something else
2021-01-15T06:06:14 #kisslinux <humosign> you switched to pros out of nowhere lol
2021-01-15T06:06:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> well. like I said. these are more quirks :p
2021-01-15T06:06:25 #kisslinux <humosign> i guess you do really like it
2021-01-15T06:06:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> things that I don't much consider to have a huge impact either way
2021-01-15T06:06:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, yeah, this is probably the best laptop I've ever used
2021-01-15T06:07:27 #kisslinux <humosign> totally
2021-01-15T06:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, but I think my favorite thing about it is how quickly it charges
2021-01-15T06:07:32 #kisslinux <humosign> also i almost forgot
2021-01-15T06:07:36 #kisslinux <humosign> oh how fast
2021-01-15T06:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get a full charge in about half an hour on the standard capacity battery
2021-01-15T06:08:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that'll last you around a full day
2021-01-15T06:08:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> :p
2021-01-15T06:08:06 #kisslinux <humosign> thats very very good
2021-01-15T06:08:09 #kisslinux <humosign> midfavila
2021-01-15T06:08:16 #kisslinux <humosign> did alsa-utils fail for you?
2021-01-15T06:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah. has a 16v charger instead of the usual 12v
2021-01-15T06:08:25 #kisslinux <humosign> i almost forgot to ask that
2021-01-15T06:08:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no
2021-01-15T06:08:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it didn't
2021-01-15T06:08:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> although now that you mention it, ALSA was a little wonky
2021-01-15T06:08:36 #kisslinux <humosign> let me finish building ffmpeg
2021-01-15T06:08:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was a stumbling block
2021-01-15T06:09:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again that might have just been a issue with my initial kernel config
2021-01-15T06:13:51 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> http://0x0.st/-zls.txt
2021-01-15T06:14:03 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yeah might've been midfavila
2021-01-15T06:14:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> that's what I got
2021-01-15T06:15:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm no programmer, but going off of the "textbox" junk...
2021-01-15T06:15:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> alsa-utils has alsamixer, right?
2021-01-15T06:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> try installing ncurses if you don't have it
2021-01-15T06:16:35 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but midfavila
2021-01-15T06:16:39 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I don't have ncurses
2021-01-15T06:16:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I only have netbsd-curses
2021-01-15T06:16:59 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> ncurses doesn't even exist
2021-01-15T06:17:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> alsa-utils explicitly depends on ncurses
2021-01-15T06:17:13 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-01-15T06:17:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> uuuuuuuu
2021-01-15T06:17:49 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> what can I do
2021-01-15T06:17:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more curious as to how you don't have ncurses
2021-01-15T06:18:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should be in the standard repo...
2021-01-15T06:18:15 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> ERROR Package 'ncurses' not in any repository
2021-01-15T06:18:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but I have netbsd-curses :S
2021-01-15T06:18:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> `find /var/db/kiss -name ncurses`
2021-01-15T06:19:07 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> nothing midfavila
2021-01-15T06:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> wack
2021-01-15T06:19:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you not using the standard KISS repo?
2021-01-15T06:19:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> no
2021-01-15T06:19:23 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> this is wyverkiss
2021-01-15T06:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why
2021-01-15T06:19:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> p sure ncurses is GNU
2021-01-15T06:19:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> so I can't use alsamixer :SS?
2021-01-15T06:19:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe, dunno
2021-01-15T06:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> try symlinking netbsd's curses lib to where ncurses would be
2021-01-15T06:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> if that doesn't work I'd say you're fucked
2021-01-15T06:20:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> ok
2021-01-15T06:20:17 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but where does ncurses go
2021-01-15T06:20:19 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> do you have it
2021-01-15T06:20:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I do
2021-01-15T06:20:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec will post the paths
2021-01-15T06:20:48 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i've told the linker to do -lncurses and it worked
2021-01-15T06:20:55 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> despite me having netbsd-curses instead of ncurses
2021-01-15T06:20:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but idk
2021-01-15T06:21:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, well there you go
2021-01-15T06:21:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> so I *am* fucked?
2021-01-15T06:21:25 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> am I supposed to link ncurses from kiss-repo?
2021-01-15T06:21:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> uh
2021-01-15T06:21:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> well if it compiled you're fine
2021-01-15T06:21:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> /usr/include/ncurses.h
2021-01-15T06:21:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> /usr/include/ncurses_dll.h
2021-01-15T06:21:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyways those are the paths
2021-01-15T06:21:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yep
2021-01-15T06:21:59 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> it's already there
2021-01-15T06:22:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> not ncurses_dll.h
2021-01-15T06:22:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but ncurses.h is there
2021-01-15T06:22:23 #kisslinux * midfavila shrug
2021-01-15T06:22:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might be screwed then
2021-01-15T06:22:30 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> and it's just a symlink to curses.h
2021-01-15T06:22:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> konimex: do you use alsa-utils?
2021-01-15T06:22:43 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I mean
2021-01-15T06:22:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah that sounds like you're out of luck
2021-01-15T06:22:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I can't imagine someone going without AMIXER
2021-01-15T06:23:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> If I could disable alsamixer then fine
2021-01-15T06:23:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can use alsactl to set the volume of interface channels I think
2021-01-15T06:23:26 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i guess so
2021-01-15T06:24:21 #kisslinux <konimex> yes I do, I'll look into the curses situation later
2021-01-15T06:24:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oh ok konimex
2021-01-15T06:24:44 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> how do I disable alsamixer?
2021-01-15T06:24:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> or well
2021-01-15T06:24:51 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> any ncurses related function of alsa-utils
2021-01-15T06:25:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2021-01-15T06:25:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure
2021-01-15T06:25:24 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> should be a configure flag
2021-01-15T06:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> pull the source and see if configure has an option to disable it
2021-01-15T06:25:27 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> probably
2021-01-15T06:25:31 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yeah
2021-01-15T06:28:12 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> --disable-alsamixer
2021-01-15T06:28:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> how unpredictable lol
2021-01-15T06:29:33 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yup it worked midfavila
2021-01-15T06:29:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> nice
2021-01-15T06:29:44 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> too bad I can't use alsamixer
2021-01-15T06:29:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but hey
2021-01-15T06:29:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> it's fine
2021-01-15T06:30:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> box drawing characters are bloat smh
2021-01-15T06:30:36 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> well i can at least say i don't like them
2021-01-15T06:31:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fair
2021-01-15T06:31:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> they *are* largely unneeded
2021-01-15T06:31:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't point fingers at people for nitpicking things because I don't even like TTFs, haha
2021-01-15T06:32:02 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> also i get ptsd from when my bitmap font would mix with some unidentified ttf font for the box characters
2021-01-15T06:32:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> ewewewewew
2021-01-15T06:32:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay yeah that's totally fair
2021-01-15T06:32:19 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> and it looked out of frame
2021-01-15T06:32:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> and blurry
2021-01-15T06:32:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of, do you know any good bitmap fonts?
2021-01-15T06:32:27 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yes
2021-01-15T06:32:30 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i've used many
2021-01-15T06:32:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm looking for both monospace and standard
2021-01-15T06:32:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> well
2021-01-15T06:32:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I use mostly Xaw on my laptop
2021-01-15T06:32:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i've ditched bitmap for a while
2021-01-15T06:32:55 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'm trying IBM Plex right now
2021-01-15T06:32:58 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> the whole family
2021-01-15T06:33:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I'm too lazy to install proper fonts
2021-01-15T06:33:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I just use monospace for everything, pfft
2021-01-15T06:33:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> lol
2021-01-15T06:33:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I got the whole family just like that because I knew that would happen to me
2021-01-15T06:33:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I have no other fonts in the system
2021-01-15T06:33:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Besides terminus and unifont
2021-01-15T06:33:47 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> For tty
2021-01-15T06:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2021-01-15T06:33:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have the liberation fonts and that's it
2021-01-15T06:34:03 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Well
2021-01-15T06:34:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Arimo is nice
2021-01-15T06:34:54 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> uhhh what
2021-01-15T06:35:00 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I think I didn't compile sound in the kernel???????
2021-01-15T06:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> will have to check arimo out
2021-01-15T06:35:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Arimo is ttf though
2021-01-15T06:35:11 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> But it's sans serif
2021-01-15T06:35:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, rip
2021-01-15T06:35:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Behaves very well at small sizes
2021-01-15T06:35:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I prefer TTF on my desktop
2021-01-15T06:35:34 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I get you thoug
2021-01-15T06:35:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's a lot higher res than my laptop
2021-01-15T06:35:35 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> h
2021-01-15T06:35:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> 1366x738 with bitmap is the way to go
2021-01-15T06:35:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr
2021-01-15T06:35:55 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> But idk
2021-01-15T06:36:01 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'm on that res right now
2021-01-15T06:36:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> And my terminal is at size 12
2021-01-15T06:36:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> st bar is at 10
2021-01-15T06:36:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I can't say I dislike this
2021-01-15T06:36:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I have my terminal set to 9
2021-01-15T06:36:27 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I was probably using really bad fonts
2021-01-15T06:36:37 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Oh yeah
2021-01-15T06:36:46 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I guess if you want to super squeeze space
2021-01-15T06:36:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It's the best
2021-01-15T06:37:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, smaller fonts=higher information density
2021-01-15T06:37:15 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> yep
2021-01-15T06:37:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I remember seeing this really cool-looking bitmap font a while ago
2021-01-15T06:37:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it even had characters for mathematics, like sigma
2021-01-15T06:38:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> which was wonky but super cool
2021-01-15T06:38:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> (not that I'd have any use for them because I'm a maths brainlet but)
2021-01-15T06:38:29 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> still
2021-01-15T06:38:32 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> that is really really good
2021-01-15T06:38:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T06:38:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> i was frustrated with bitmap
2021-01-15T06:38:47 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> because i couldn't find a cyrillic font
2021-01-15T06:39:01 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> and i had to use downscaled unifont ;_;
2021-01-15T06:39:04 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> so choppy
2021-01-15T06:39:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly unifont isn't a bad font
2021-01-15T06:39:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2021-01-15T06:39:25 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> it really isn't
2021-01-15T06:39:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it also kind of is?
2021-01-15T06:39:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> the main problem with unifont imho is that it doesn't seem to be compliant with standards
2021-01-15T06:39:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> hm?
2021-01-15T06:39:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> so my web browser will render, say, a right arrow character as some random Greek or Hebrew letter
2021-01-15T06:39:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is annoying
2021-01-15T06:40:09 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> what???
2021-01-15T06:40:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T06:40:15 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> but i thought the whole point of unifont
2021-01-15T06:40:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was weird
2021-01-15T06:40:16 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> was to
2021-01-15T06:40:20 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> cover everything
2021-01-15T06:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it did cover everything
2021-01-15T06:40:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's the problem
2021-01-15T06:40:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> ironically
2021-01-15T06:40:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-01-15T06:40:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> have you seen others with that issue
2021-01-15T06:41:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, no, but I also don't often discuss the minutiae of fonts with other people
2021-01-15T06:41:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> hmmm
2021-01-15T06:41:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> might be your system then
2021-01-15T06:41:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe, but I doubt it
2021-01-15T06:42:24 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oh well
2021-01-15T06:44:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need an appropriately aesthetic font for my FVWM setup
2021-01-15T06:44:44 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> FVWM
2021-01-15T06:44:45 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Nice.
2021-01-15T06:44:54 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I really didn't bother and ran dwm
2021-01-15T06:44:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> With fibonacci
2021-01-15T06:44:58 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> And systray
2021-01-15T06:45:22 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> And I don't think I need more
2021-01-15T06:45:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fair
2021-01-15T06:45:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like tinkering with FVWM as a hobby :p
2021-01-15T06:45:57 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Yeah I know the fun of it
2021-01-15T06:46:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the fun/fuck virtual window manager, depending on how your day is going
2021-01-15T06:46:39 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Lol
2021-01-15T06:46:48 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> What a weird name really
2021-01-15T06:46:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I kinda wish it still had GTK and window tabbing support
2021-01-15T06:47:04 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It lost those?
2021-01-15T06:47:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> a looooooong time ago, yeah
2021-01-15T06:47:18 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> =(
2021-01-15T06:47:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> like mid '00s I think
2021-01-15T06:47:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the GTK support was only for GTK1
2021-01-15T06:47:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> apparently the window tabs were buggy
2021-01-15T06:47:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the one feature that FVWM lacks that I wish it had
2021-01-15T06:48:02 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> And 10+ years of people not missing it and wanting to bring it back
2021-01-15T06:48:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Kinda weird
2021-01-15T06:48:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> well I think most people just don't know about it
2021-01-15T06:48:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> hell
2021-01-15T06:48:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> I didn't know about window tabbing until I used Fluxbox
2021-01-15T06:48:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> which, for the record, is also a great WMM
2021-01-15T06:48:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> WM*
2021-01-15T06:48:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Me neither
2021-01-15T06:48:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Yes
2021-01-15T06:49:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Well I first heard about window tabbing with terminals
2021-01-15T06:49:13 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I was like
2021-01-15T06:49:14 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Wow
2021-01-15T06:49:16 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Like in a browser
2021-01-15T06:49:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> same, ahaha
2021-01-15T06:49:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> "wait you mean I can have multiple things in one place? wack"
2021-01-15T06:49:48 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Totally
2021-01-15T06:49:51 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> It's really weird
2021-01-15T06:49:58 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> How it's not more widespread
2021-01-15T06:50:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> tabbed windows with strict lazy focus is the way to go tbh
2021-01-15T06:50:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no click to raise
2021-01-15T06:50:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I can't stand click to raise now
2021-01-15T06:50:50 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> phew
2021-01-15T06:51:10 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Thank God tiling WMs mostly spare you of all that nitpicking
2021-01-15T06:51:14 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> But introduce another set
2021-01-15T06:51:21 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Like how it arranges your windows
2021-01-15T06:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to add tiling to my FVWM config
2021-01-15T06:51:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> tiling? in FVWM?
2021-01-15T06:51:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T06:51:42 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> huh
2021-01-15T06:51:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been possible for like 15 years
2021-01-15T06:52:05 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Nice.
2021-01-15T06:52:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> also
2021-01-15T06:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> at first it was some dude's perl program, then it was integrated into the core of FVWM2
2021-01-15T06:52:11 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> how can I know
2021-01-15T06:52:16 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> which audio driver I need
2021-01-15T06:52:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally I just use `lspci | grep Audio`
2021-01-15T06:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> then look up the chip online
2021-01-15T06:53:11 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oh
2021-01-15T06:53:16 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> busybox lspci is very limited
2021-01-15T06:53:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T06:53:28 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> build PCiutils
2021-01-15T06:53:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why I don't use busybox :P
2021-01-15T06:53:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> busybox in general is...
2021-01-15T06:53:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> well it accomplishes its goal
2021-01-15T06:53:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> at the expense of being terribly useful
2021-01-15T06:53:53 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> thanks testuser
2021-01-15T06:54:51 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> I'll be replacing busybox utils as I go needing to do so
2021-01-15T06:54:59 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> or wanting to
2021-01-15T06:55:03 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> And not go all the way
2021-01-15T06:55:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Like with sbase
2021-01-15T06:55:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> the first thing I do on my kiss installs is rip busybox out, haha
2021-01-15T06:55:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> Lol
2021-01-15T06:56:11 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> do you know some other set of non gnu utils with which KISS can create packages properly without having to set alternatives?
2021-01-15T06:56:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> sbase and ubase is what I use, with supplements
2021-01-15T06:56:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> the "without alternatives" clause is kind of a lame thing
2021-01-15T06:56:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> because busybox and coreutils both include way more than sbase and ubase combined
2021-01-15T06:56:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hmm
2021-01-15T06:57:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> for what it's worth I use standalone less, bc, sed, awk, etc
2021-01-15T06:57:27 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I'll give sbase ubase a shot again
2021-01-15T06:57:27 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> one true awk?
2021-01-15T06:57:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-01-15T06:57:35 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> hmm
2021-01-15T06:57:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have it packaged as otawk
2021-01-15T06:58:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd __like__ to use more of the heirloom tools, but they can be finnicky
2021-01-15T06:58:06 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oh so I already have snd_hda_intel instead
2021-01-15T06:58:08 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> heirloom?
2021-01-15T06:58:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T06:58:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> ports of the opensolaris tools to POSIX
2021-01-15T06:58:23 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> isn't heirloom unmaintained now?
2021-01-15T06:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been unmaintained for ages
2021-01-15T06:58:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-01-15T06:58:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of it
2021-01-15T06:58:41 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> solaris, nice
2021-01-15T06:58:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> mailx and some stuff still is
2021-01-15T06:58:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> although i'm more of an nmh kind of guy
2021-01-15T07:00:38 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> oops
2021-01-15T07:00:47 #kisslinux <humosign_pc> no modprobe -c in busybox
2021-01-15T07:01:12 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> @freenode_midfavila:matrix.org you don't have busybox at all?
2021-01-15T07:01:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-01-15T07:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the first things I did on KISS in general was learn how to rip it out, haha
2021-01-15T07:09:14 #kisslinux <humosign> weird midfavila
2021-01-15T07:09:18 #kisslinux <humosign> sound doesnt work?
2021-01-15T07:09:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> `dmesg | grep codec`
2021-01-15T07:10:49 #kisslinux <humosign> oop
2021-01-15T07:10:55 #kisslinux <humosign> unable to bind the codec midfavila?
2021-01-15T07:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah that sounds about right
2021-01-15T07:11:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> recompile your kernel with realtek codecs enabled
2021-01-15T07:11:15 #kisslinux <humosign> so i need a blob or what
2021-01-15T07:11:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> that should fix it
2021-01-15T07:11:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-01-15T07:11:19 #kisslinux <humosign> oh realtek
2021-01-15T07:11:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> you just need to enable the codecs in the kernel
2021-01-15T07:11:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> for what it's worth I normally just enable them all
2021-01-15T07:12:02 #kisslinux <humosign> lol kitchensink kernel
2021-01-15T07:12:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of codecs yes :p
2021-01-15T07:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> outside of that I keep it fairly slim
2021-01-15T07:12:50 #kisslinux <humosign> and crypto too i suppose?
2021-01-15T07:12:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-01-15T07:13:02 #kisslinux <humosign> slim too?
2021-01-15T07:13:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> yep
2021-01-15T07:13:14 #kisslinux <humosign> nice.
2021-01-15T07:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I just do a makelocalyes config and then trim it from there
2021-01-15T07:13:50 #kisslinux <humosign> i did that too
2021-01-15T07:14:58 #kisslinux <humosign> also midfavila
2021-01-15T07:15:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm?
2021-01-15T07:15:03 #kisslinux <humosign> im so happy sx exists
2021-01-15T07:15:11 #kisslinux <humosign> lol
2021-01-15T07:15:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never bothered with it
2021-01-15T07:15:19 #kisslinux <humosign> it's so much better
2021-01-15T07:15:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm lame and use XDM
2021-01-15T07:15:25 #kisslinux <humosign> and the change is simple
2021-01-15T07:15:28 #kisslinux <humosign> oh lol
2021-01-15T07:15:40 #kisslinux <humosign> never really used display managers at all
2021-01-15T07:15:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah they're not for everyone
2021-01-15T07:15:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like display managers mostly for cosmetic purposes
2021-01-15T07:16:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> XDM is also easy to add features to
2021-01-15T07:16:09 #kisslinux <humosign> and thats most of the time the only reason
2021-01-15T07:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> since you can literally just run a program at the same time as xdm
2021-01-15T07:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I probably could do most of my stuff in the terminal, but I like having a little bit of eyecandy
2021-01-15T07:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> not a lot, just a bit
2021-01-15T07:17:32 #kisslinux <humosign> gotcha
2021-01-15T07:17:41 #kisslinux <humosign> im fine with my tty everywhere lol
2021-01-15T07:17:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I use the tty exclusively on my laptops
2021-01-15T07:18:09 #kisslinux <humosign> and that is THE way to go
2021-01-15T07:18:13 #kisslinux <humosign> dvtm+abduco
2021-01-15T07:18:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just use mtm and dtach
2021-01-15T07:18:35 #kisslinux <humosign> whee
2021-01-15T07:18:44 #kisslinux <humosign> youre like a tty brutalist
2021-01-15T07:18:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-01-15T07:19:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> Even though I like graphical programs for some things, I strip everything back as far as I can
2021-01-15T07:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> my editor is tine, for example, which is even smaller than ed
2021-01-15T07:19:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> despite that it has significantly more flexibility in terms of editing documents
2021-01-15T07:20:06 #kisslinux <humosign> you actually use an ed like editor?
2021-01-15T07:20:09 #kisslinux <humosign> how is it?
2021-01-15T07:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> tine is like the Amiga and TRIPOS ed, but it's really comfy
2021-01-15T07:20:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> kind of feels like using a really, really advanced typewriter
2021-01-15T07:21:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used regular old UNIX ed for a while, but...
2021-01-15T07:21:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's fuckin garbage for editing existing documents
2021-01-15T07:21:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> having to rewrite an entire line to change a single word is a bit much for even someone like me
2021-01-15T07:21:50 #kisslinux <humosign> yeah that sounds rather extreme
2021-01-15T07:22:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> tine is nice though
2021-01-15T07:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like... if you took ed and slapped a rudimentary display on it
2021-01-15T07:23:00 #kisslinux <humosign> humm
2021-01-15T07:23:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's that site where you can upload images from the cli?
2021-01-15T07:23:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't recall its name right now
2021-01-15T07:24:00 #kisslinux <humosign> 0x0.st
2021-01-15T07:24:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> right, thanks
2021-01-15T07:24:06 #kisslinux <humosign> one of them
2021-01-15T07:24:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll upload a screenshot
2021-01-15T07:24:16 #kisslinux <humosign> ok =)
2021-01-15T07:25:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-zl1.png
2021-01-15T07:25:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> just a snippet of my FVWM config
2021-01-15T07:26:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm in the process of rewriting it for the fourth time
2021-01-15T07:26:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> experimenting with using m4 to process all of the files as they're loaded so that FVWM doesn't have to store a bunch of crap as variables
2021-01-15T07:27:12 #kisslinux <humosign> really screaming unix desktop isn't it
2021-01-15T07:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh definitely :p
2021-01-15T07:27:35 #kisslinux <humosign> like just a few steps from CDE
2021-01-15T07:27:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use a weird mixture of ancient and cutting edge technology
2021-01-15T07:27:48 #kisslinux <humosign> which is the way to go
2021-01-15T07:28:13 #kisslinux <humosign> i'll be using some motif programs no joke
2021-01-15T07:28:22 #kisslinux <humosign> idk if they'll just werk though
2021-01-15T07:28:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> they should
2021-01-15T07:28:36 #kisslinux <humosign> although some of them ran basically everywhere right
2021-01-15T07:28:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I find Xaw and MOTIF work well
2021-01-15T07:28:40 #kisslinux <humosign> like even IRIX
2021-01-15T07:28:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yep
2021-01-15T07:29:10 #kisslinux <humosign> I mean IRIX mainly used motif in the first placd
2021-01-15T07:29:25 #kisslinux <humosign> I love how it looked
2021-01-15T07:29:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should really check out NsCDE
2021-01-15T07:29:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's CDE recreated in FVWM
2021-01-15T07:29:55 #kisslinux <humosign> so that's really what it is huh
2021-01-15T07:29:56 #kisslinux <humosign> btw
2021-01-15T07:30:03 #kisslinux <humosign> i enabled realtek
2021-01-15T07:30:12 #kisslinux <humosign> now I only see a channel called IEC957
2021-01-15T07:30:17 #kisslinux <humosign> IEC958*
2021-01-15T07:30:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> odd
2021-01-15T07:30:50 #kisslinux <humosign> i may have missed another driver
2021-01-15T07:35:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-zl_.png
2021-01-15T07:35:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is my laptop setup
2021-01-15T07:36:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's highly WIP
2021-01-15T07:36:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> still trying to adjust the position of the clock :/
2021-01-15T07:37:11 #kisslinux <humosign> lain =)
2021-01-15T07:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> rewatched it the other day
2021-01-15T07:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> prophetic show
2021-01-15T07:38:15 #kisslinux <humosign> It really is
2021-01-15T07:38:39 #kisslinux <humosign> buddy list?
2021-01-15T07:38:44 #kisslinux <humosign> what IM is that?
2021-01-15T07:38:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Pidgin
2021-01-15T07:38:56 #kisslinux <humosign> Hmm ok
2021-01-15T07:39:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the only GTK2 program on my laptop
2021-01-15T07:39:16 #kisslinux <humosign> Despite the clock (lol) it's very good
2021-01-15T07:39:23 #kisslinux <humosign> Better than mine lol
2021-01-15T07:39:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've put a few months of spare time into it
2021-01-15T07:39:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've got another screenshot on my site of an old desktop config
2021-01-15T07:39:56 #kisslinux <humosign> It really checks out
2021-01-15T07:40:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://midfavila.chaosnet.org/pages/screenshots.html
2021-01-15T07:40:29 #kisslinux <humosign> hmm
2021-01-15T07:40:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> works in both text and graphical browsers, for your viewing pleasure
2021-01-15T07:40:40 #kisslinux <humosign> I'm going to switch to mksh
2021-01-15T07:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> meme korn shell
2021-01-15T07:40:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> v comfy
2021-01-15T07:41:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used s for a while
2021-01-15T07:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> because letters are bloat
2021-01-15T07:41:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but ultimately it was a little unstable for interactive use
2021-01-15T07:41:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still have it packaged though
2021-01-15T07:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a shell in 700 lines of C
2021-01-15T07:42:02 #kisslinux <humosign> whew
2021-01-15T07:42:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wanted to try using this shell based around a subset of LISP for a while
2021-01-15T07:42:20 #kisslinux <humosign> the lack of letters definitely reflects on what it is
2021-01-15T07:42:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-01-15T07:42:27 #kisslinux <humosign> lol a subset of lisp
2021-01-15T07:42:30 #kisslinux <humosign> emacs shell
2021-01-15T07:42:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's not even a "shell"
2021-01-15T07:42:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> >emacs
2021-01-15T07:42:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-01-15T07:42:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-01-15T07:42:38 #kisslinux <humosign> lol
2021-01-15T07:42:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want my shell to ideally be as few lines of code as possible
2021-01-15T07:43:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are two possible outcomes for me when it comes to a system's shell(s)
2021-01-15T07:43:22 #kisslinux <humosign> so can I switch my /bin/sh straightup?
2021-01-15T07:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's either one shell that is POSIX conformant and minimal while providing basic faculties for usage like line editing and tab completes
2021-01-15T07:43:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> or there's one minimal shell for POSIX scripts and one minimal shell for interactive use
2021-01-15T07:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no
2021-01-15T07:43:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't use s as your /bin/sh
2021-01-15T07:43:59 #kisslinux <humosign> I mean mksh
2021-01-15T07:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-01-15T07:44:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean
2021-01-15T07:44:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can
2021-01-15T07:44:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but not on kiss
2021-01-15T07:44:11 #kisslinux <humosign> Oh
2021-01-15T07:44:13 #kisslinux <humosign> OK
2021-01-15T07:44:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> (that's a fault of KISS, not mksh)
2021-01-15T07:44:25 #kisslinux <humosign> So just spamming chsh everywhere it is then?
2021-01-15T07:44:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm? not really
2021-01-15T07:44:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use dash as /bin/sh and mksh (or s) as my interactive shell
2021-01-15T07:46:04 #kisslinux <humosign> mmk
2021-01-15T07:46:22 #kisslinux <humosign> oh so not ash midfavila
2021-01-15T07:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd use the almquist shell if I could find it standalone
2021-01-15T07:46:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, dash doesn't count
2021-01-15T07:46:54 #kisslinux <humosign> lol
2021-01-15T07:46:57 #kisslinux <humosign> i think i am going to nuke busybox too
2021-01-15T07:47:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> dew it
2021-01-15T07:47:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> join the hummingbird-sysmgr gang
2021-01-15T07:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> convert to the comfy side
2021-01-15T07:47:20 #kisslinux <humosign> oh right
2021-01-15T07:47:28 #kisslinux <humosign> i'd replace my init too
2021-01-15T07:47:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'd have to replace your everything :p
2021-01-15T07:47:43 #kisslinux <humosign> pretty much lol
2021-01-15T07:47:51 #kisslinux <humosign> utils, init, shell
2021-01-15T07:47:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of my repository is just system utilities to fuck around with
2021-01-15T07:47:54 #kisslinux <humosign> what else
2021-01-15T07:47:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> cron
2021-01-15T07:48:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> device manager
2021-01-15T07:48:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhhhh
2021-01-15T07:48:17 #kisslinux <humosign> already use eudev
2021-01-15T07:48:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been thinking of just like
2021-01-15T07:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> not
2021-01-15T07:48:29 #kisslinux <humosign> i didnt want to hassle
2021-01-15T07:48:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and seeing how that goes
2021-01-15T07:48:37 #kisslinux <humosign> apparently i needed
2021-01-15T07:48:43 #kisslinux <humosign> how do you call it
2021-01-15T07:48:52 #kisslinux <humosign> to manually configure devices
2021-01-15T07:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah that sounds about right
2021-01-15T07:49:06 #kisslinux <humosign> which I think
2021-01-15T07:49:18 #kisslinux <humosign> is probably a pretty huge pain
2021-01-15T07:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh definitely
2021-01-15T07:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> no doubt in my mind that it's a bitch
2021-01-15T07:49:32 #kisslinux <humosign> i feel like id run into an egg in the chicken thing
2021-01-15T07:49:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> but consider the following
2021-01-15T07:49:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's one fewer package on your system
2021-01-15T07:49:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> which gets you more internet points
2021-01-15T07:49:50 #kisslinux <humosign> s/in the/and the/
2021-01-15T07:49:51 #kisslinux <kissbot> <humosign> i feel like id run into an egg and the chicken thing
2021-01-15T07:50:04 #kisslinux <humosign> oh neat that does work
2021-01-15T07:50:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait, apparently xorg depends on eudev
2021-01-15T07:50:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip my plans
2021-01-15T07:50:17 #kisslinux <humosign> xorg doesnt actually depend on eudev
2021-01-15T07:50:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, it doesn't?
2021-01-15T07:50:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> huh
2021-01-15T07:50:24 #kisslinux <humosign> no
2021-01-15T07:50:28 #kisslinux <humosign> look at the kiss wiki
2021-01-15T07:50:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-01-15T07:50:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> while I'm thinking of this
2021-01-15T07:50:36 #kisslinux <humosign> you *can* replace your udev
2021-01-15T07:50:45 #kisslinux <humosign> but i prefer auto device detection
2021-01-15T07:50:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> can I just say how annoying it is that there are no browsers that are unbloated and also not-shit?
2021-01-15T07:51:03 #kisslinux <humosign> modern web is shit is your answer
2021-01-15T07:51:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah
2021-01-15T07:51:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah that goes without saying
2021-01-15T07:51:12 #kisslinux <humosign> netsurf does what a browser should do
2021-01-15T07:51:15 #kisslinux <humosign> html4
2021-01-15T07:51:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> netsurf is based, I agree
2021-01-15T07:51:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also kind of slow
2021-01-15T07:51:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it accesses the disk too much
2021-01-15T07:51:33 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> libudev-zero worked good but pulseaudio (dont kill me) wouldn't just werk with it
2021-01-15T07:51:39 #kisslinux <humosign> i only have links with X support installed right now
2021-01-15T07:51:45 #kisslinux <humosign> well midfavila
2021-01-15T07:51:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use a patched links with tabbed support on my laptop
2021-01-15T07:51:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's p gud
2021-01-15T07:51:53 #kisslinux <humosign> at least its not a monolith one
2021-01-15T07:52:03 #kisslinux <humosign> oh with tabbed?
2021-01-15T07:52:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T07:52:09 #kisslinux <humosign> like the one surf uses?
2021-01-15T07:52:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T07:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what my terminal on my lappy uses, too
2021-01-15T07:52:27 #kisslinux <humosign> testuser, do you use bluetooth?
2021-01-15T07:52:46 #kisslinux <humosign> you will otherwise never justify your usage of pulseaudio
2021-01-15T07:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you guys know how to reap zombies?
2021-01-15T07:52:56 #kisslinux <humosign> nope mid
2021-01-15T07:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-01-15T07:53:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to lose my 18 hour uptime
2021-01-15T07:53:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> thankfully my boot times are super low = w=
2021-01-15T07:53:29 #kisslinux <humosign> yeah but thats nothing
2021-01-15T07:53:32 #kisslinux <humosign> yes
2021-01-15T07:53:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, on a laptop, 18 hours is okay :p
2021-01-15T07:53:44 #kisslinux <humosign> off of an usb2.0 flash drive
2021-01-15T07:53:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> humosign: i run steam in a chroot sometimes and most games wouldn't give proper audio without pulse, i guess you'd need to do some super complex alsa config
2021-01-15T07:53:55 #kisslinux <humosign> still under 10s
2021-01-15T07:54:06 #kisslinux <mcf> midfavila: wait(3)
2021-01-15T07:54:09 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> but i rarely use that now so ill probably switch back
2021-01-15T07:54:13 #kisslinux <humosign> wouldnt apulse work testuser
2021-01-15T07:54:20 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> nah
2021-01-15T07:54:26 #kisslinux <humosign> dont just nah
2021-01-15T07:54:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd use seamonkey but not only does it need gtk3, it also requires pulse
2021-01-15T07:54:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
2021-01-15T07:54:51 #kisslinux <humosign> very lame
2021-01-15T07:54:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly if I could just like
2021-01-15T07:55:03 #kisslinux <humosign> i hope i never need kiss-all /shudder
2021-01-15T07:55:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> have __only__ the seamonkey browser component
2021-01-15T07:55:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and patched for gtk2 and alsa
2021-01-15T07:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be based af
2021-01-15T07:55:24 #kisslinux <humosign> isnt that called webbrowser
2021-01-15T07:55:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-01-15T07:55:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a fork of pale meme
2021-01-15T07:55:39 #kisslinux <humosign> its xul
2021-01-15T07:55:40 #kisslinux <humosign> yes
2021-01-15T07:55:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T07:55:49 #kisslinux <humosign> but its gtk2 and alsa
2021-01-15T07:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I use nuegia/webbrowser
2021-01-15T07:55:53 #kisslinux <humosign> system libs
2021-01-15T07:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> but can't on KISS
2021-01-15T07:56:04 #kisslinux <humosign> it doesnt work? y?
2021-01-15T07:56:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it requires both glibc and gcc8
2021-01-15T07:56:18 #kisslinux <humosign> oh.
2021-01-15T07:56:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it would only really be useful on my desktop
2021-01-15T07:56:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> whereas seamonkey is smol and good for the most part
2021-01-15T07:56:33 #kisslinux <humosign> well sabotage did have musl patches for pale moon
2021-01-15T07:56:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> why would a browser had hard dependency on pulse
2021-01-15T07:56:43 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> have
2021-01-15T07:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not a hard dep
2021-01-15T07:56:48 #kisslinux <humosign> idk
2021-01-15T07:56:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it won't play audio without it
2021-01-15T07:56:54 #kisslinux <humosign> redhat shills
2021-01-15T07:56:57 #kisslinux <humosign> unironically
2021-01-15T07:56:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> oh
2021-01-15T07:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, you know what I want to see?
2021-01-15T07:57:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> people to use the fucking Xorg extension to allow you to use external programs in your web browser
2021-01-15T07:57:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's literally a library for that
2021-01-15T07:57:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can use it to play content in firefox in mpv
2021-01-15T07:57:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, the content in firefox, in mpv, in firefox
2021-01-15T07:58:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> alternatively
2021-01-15T07:58:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> allow me to use a program like plumber, or MIME types, to open media in native programs
2021-01-15T07:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Links kind of sorta does this
2021-01-15T07:59:46 #kisslinux <humosign> thats something so many people want
2021-01-15T08:00:00 #kisslinux <humosign> yet nobodys done it proper
2021-01-15T08:00:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's because it requires marginally more effort in the short term
2021-01-15T08:00:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuckin webdevs
2021-01-15T08:00:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> just convert everything to electron inside of snaps
2021-01-15T08:00:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's $YEAR
2021-01-15T08:01:07 #kisslinux <humosign> """evolution"""
2021-01-15T08:01:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's progress bro
2021-01-15T08:01:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's for platform cross-compatibility bro
2021-01-15T08:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> let's ignore that POSIX exists
2021-01-15T08:02:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to download kiss-all so that I can install dbus-glib for pale meme
2021-01-15T08:02:37 #kisslinux <humosign2> scary dbus
2021-01-15T08:02:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just don't get why it needs it
2021-01-15T08:02:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't do anything with dbus
2021-01-15T08:03:02 #kisslinux <humosign2> me neither
2021-01-15T08:03:14 #kisslinux <humosign2> i know the guy who made the fork
2021-01-15T08:03:20 #kisslinux <humosign2> i could ask him
2021-01-15T08:03:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell him that he's super based
2021-01-15T08:03:44 #kisslinux <humosign2> i told him like a million times already lol
2021-01-15T08:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell him again mh
2021-01-15T08:03:55 #kisslinux <humosign2> lol
2021-01-15T08:03:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/mh/smh/
2021-01-15T08:03:56 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> tell him again smh
2021-01-15T08:04:03 #kisslinux <humosign2> but seriously
2021-01-15T08:04:22 #kisslinux <humosign2> for fun i asked him once what wouldve happened if bill gates never existed
2021-01-15T08:04:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> the world would be a lot better
2021-01-15T08:04:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> we'd probably all be using S-100 or Eurobus machines right now
2021-01-15T08:04:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> running yoonix
2021-01-15T08:04:49 #kisslinux <humosign2> probably BSD
2021-01-15T08:04:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2021-01-15T08:05:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> BSD would have still had the run in with ATT
2021-01-15T08:05:12 #kisslinux <humosign2> a BSD I mean
2021-01-15T08:05:16 #kisslinux <humosign2> and CP/M had to be abandoned
2021-01-15T08:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> CP/M is nifty
2021-01-15T08:05:28 #kisslinux <humosign2> because of hardware variety
2021-01-15T08:05:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i kind of want to build an S-100 machine
2021-01-15T08:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> like sure they're shit compared to modern PCs
2021-01-15T08:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's just something about the IMSAI 8080 that makes me feel things
2021-01-15T08:06:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i actually emailed IMSAI to ask about their Mark II
2021-01-15T08:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no response :/
2021-01-15T08:06:50 #kisslinux <humosign2> hah nice
2021-01-15T08:06:51 #kisslinux <humosign2> oh
2021-01-15T08:06:56 #kisslinux <humosign2> D:
2021-01-15T08:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-01-15T08:07:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> looking through USENET, apparently it was either severely mismanaged or a scam
2021-01-15T08:07:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> which means I'll just have to make my own case
2021-01-15T08:07:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> with SSI-EEB support, and more than five PCIe slots
2021-01-15T08:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly the biggest hurdle for the design is where the fuck to put the PSU
2021-01-15T08:13:09 #kisslinux <humosign2> interesting stuff
2021-01-15T08:13:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, side note
2021-01-15T08:14:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> can we stop packaging stuff under the assumption that everyone has patch installed?
2021-01-15T08:14:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> patch isn't part of repo/core
2021-01-15T08:16:46 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> the assumption is probably that everyone is using stock busybox which has patch
2021-01-15T08:17:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, does it? i didn't realize
2021-01-15T08:17:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bad then
2021-01-15T08:17:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...man, KISS could really benefit from a "provides" feature
2021-01-15T08:17:48 #kisslinux <humosign2> preinstall you mean?
2021-01-15T08:17:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2021-01-15T08:17:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-01-15T08:18:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> when two or more packages provide the same function, they can be said to be functionally equivalent
2021-01-15T08:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example, busybox and patch both provide /bin/patch
2021-01-15T08:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> so by checking whether or not some package is provide'ing a particular utility, it helps make stuff more cohesive
2021-01-15T08:19:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> another example would be the myriad of Xaw libraries
2021-01-15T08:21:49 #kisslinux <humosign2> gotcha
2021-01-15T08:21:59 #kisslinux <humosign2> anyway I am very tired now
2021-01-15T08:22:12 #kisslinux <humosign2> I hope I can get audio and video working properly later
2021-01-15T08:22:19 #kisslinux <humosign2> They're broken right now
2021-01-15T08:22:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2021-01-15T08:22:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> hopefully you can get it figured out
2021-01-15T08:22:34 #kisslinux <humosign2> Yes
2021-01-15T08:22:37 #kisslinux <humosign2> Hopefully..
2021-01-15T08:22:44 #kisslinux <humosign2> But for now I'm off
2021-01-15T08:22:50 #kisslinux <humosign2> This was a nice talk man
2021-01-15T08:22:52 #kisslinux <humosign2> Thanks
2021-01-15T08:22:57 #kisslinux <humosign2> See you around
2021-01-15T08:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> see you
2021-01-15T09:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> so here's a question for you guys
2021-01-15T09:07:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> a few days ago I wrote a small script to automatically lock the screen when ACPId detected my laptop lid was closed, and it worked awesome
2021-01-15T09:08:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the gist of it is that it checks for the status of the lid, if it's closed then it (as root) exports DISPLAY to :0 and then su's into the user account, before running slock
2021-01-15T09:08:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is that today it randomly decided to not work. checking my syslog reports the error that no protocol was specified and it couldn't open the screen, but I'm not sure what could be causing that...
2021-01-15T09:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> for what it's worth I'm using slock
2021-01-15T15:04:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i would ask if it was an X magic cookie issue but if it was working before then that's probably not it
2021-01-15T20:11:59 #kisslinux <whateverever> greetings! any one have firefox-bin working repo?
2021-01-15T20:22:11 #kisslinux <whateverever> nvm found it