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2020-11-12T02:09:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/in3P.png kiss in a virtualbox vm running headless... pic is an xrdp connection to the vm from my Windows desktop (with sound forwarded to my local machine, playing pianobar) 2020-11-12T02:10:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> pywal sets colors based on the wallpaper i put in my .xinitrc, sowm has a border on the focused window only (kinda glitchy, but i like it better than all-or-nothing window borders) 2020-11-12T02:14:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice 'n clean 2020-11-12T02:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not cool enough yet to use a minimalist WM 2020-11-12T02:15:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well i usually use openbox but it's gone from repos and i can't be arsed to install it myself 2020-11-12T02:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair 2020-11-12T02:15:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> of the *box managers I'm more of a Flux guy 2020-11-12T02:15:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> Window tabs are an amazing feature and I wish FVWM still had them 2020-11-12T02:15:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> usually i have a bar at the top that gives time, date, and a clickable button to exit X 2020-11-12T02:17:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6799467/81230554-63f7c680-8ffa-11ea-9a2a-1672f8c718a4.jpg this is more like what my openbox config usually looks like 2020-11-12T02:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> also nice 2020-11-12T02:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had a site to dump screenshots to I'd show you my config 2020-11-12T02:18:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> even though it's not exactly r/unixporn material :v 2020-11-12T02:19:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 0x0.st lets you upload with curl, i usually use that 2020-11-12T02:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, cool 2020-11-12T02:20:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll go peek at it 2020-11-12T02:23:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://ix.io/ too, as a pastebin 2020-11-12T02:23:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://0x0.st/in3m.png 2020-11-12T02:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> Awesome, thanks 2020-11-12T02:24:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, I'm still working on my setup 2020-11-12T02:25:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta package the rest of the software I normally integrate into it 2020-11-12T02:25:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> looks great already! 2020-11-12T02:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> Thanks ^^; 2020-11-12T02:25:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've got assets for a few different widgets 2020-11-12T02:25:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> the current set is QNX's Desert theme 2020-11-12T02:25:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I've got the standard Blue packaged as well as Red Hat's Bluecurve 2020-11-12T02:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the future I'd like to write a small program to allow the user to dynamically choose and recolor the in-use widget set 2020-11-12T02:26:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that would be amazing 2020-11-12T02:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, dude, FVWM is nuts 2020-11-12T02:26:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i miss the crazy themes that people used to make 2020-11-12T02:26:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the stuff you can make it do is ridiculous 2020-11-12T02:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had to make a comparison, it's the Emacs of window managers 2020-11-12T02:27:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://golem.sourceforge.net/themes.html like these 2020-11-12T02:27:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://golem.sourceforge.net/themes/XpansionBlack.png 2020-11-12T02:27:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Golem is really cool 2020-11-12T02:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wanted to use it, but the source code won't compile for me 2020-11-12T02:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again it's ancient and unmaintained 2020-11-12T02:28:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> so no surprise 2020-11-12T02:28:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i made a freebsd vm and installed it lol 2020-11-12T02:28:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, really? 2020-11-12T02:28:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> How difficult is it to configure, if I can ask? 2020-11-12T02:29:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it was a bit of a PITA but i'm not exactly quick with things 2020-11-12T02:29:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://golem.sourceforge.net/themes/Photon.jpg 2020-11-12T02:29:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> ayyyy someone made a QNX theme 2020-11-12T02:29:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> golem fortunately is prepackaged for freebsd so pkg_add golemwm i think it was and good to go 2020-11-12T02:31:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Based 2020-11-12T02:31:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wait netbsd not freebsd 2020-11-12T02:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> pkgsrc has a crazy amount of packages 2020-11-12T02:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> like 25k or something 2020-11-12T02:32:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah their wm collection is lovely 2020-11-12T02:32:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/wm/README.html 2020-11-12T02:33:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only one I would care about that they don't have is the SCWM 2020-11-12T02:33:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah that's impressive 2020-11-12T02:41:42 #kisslinux <Rio6> xterm says "open ttydev: Permission denied" after switching to mdev :( 2020-11-12T02:42:04 #kisslinux <Rio6> trying to find which file 2020-11-12T02:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip 2020-11-12T02:43:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, by the way, do any of you guys have experience with a bootloader called KBoot? 2020-11-12T02:43:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was tinkering with it earlier and it seems like it strikes a really nice balance between LILO and GRUB 2020-11-12T02:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> Anybody have any reccomendations on how I could further reduce the size of KISS? I am creating a docker base image, so no kernel or bootloader is involved 2020-11-12T02:53:24 #kisslinux <acheam> Currently im at 217MB 2020-11-12T02:54:22 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: Haven't heard of it before. Can't find too much stuff online about it, I might mess around with it later 2020-11-12T02:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool, post results plox 2020-11-12T03:14:48 #kisslinux <konimex> this one? http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ quite an old bootloader 2020-11-12T03:16:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm... I don't think so 2020-11-12T03:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/aejsmith/kboot 2020-11-12T03:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the repo I was messing with 2020-11-12T03:17:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I won't lie though, the documentation goes over my head a little bit 2020-11-12T03:17:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> mentions that it needs a specific kind of MBR, like that provided by SYSLINUX, which... I mean, I didn't even know there __were__ different kinds of MBR 2020-11-12T03:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of SYSLINUX, has anyone packaged it for KISS? 2020-11-12T03:36:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> [midfavila](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_midfavila:matrix.org): https://github.com/eudaldgr/kiss-live/tree/master/repo/syslinux 2020-11-12T03:37:06 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: ah, yeah I was looking at the other one too. Both the contributers to that github repo have done some pretty cool stuff, I would recommend taking a peek into some of their repos. 2020-11-12T03:37:37 #kisslinux <midfavila_> thanks anonymous matrix user 2020-11-12T03:37:45 #kisslinux <midfavila_> and I definitely will, acheam 2020-11-12T03:49:04 #kisslinux <midfavila_> guy clearly knows what he's doing, that's for sure 2020-11-12T03:50:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so golem expects 32-bit gcc 2020-11-12T03:50:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm now over my head lol 2020-11-12T03:50:28 #kisslinux <midfavila_> god, I don't want to imagine running a multilib KISS 2020-11-12T03:50:40 #kisslinux <midfavila_> or rather, having to package it 2020-11-12T03:51:26 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I'm all for legacy support, but the day everyone moves to 64-bit systems and drops 32-bit for good will be a good day in my books 2020-11-12T03:52:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i know there's a 32-bit kiss someone put together 2020-11-12T03:54:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i take it i would need to look into something like this https://github.com/jedavies-dev/musl-cross-make 2020-11-12T03:55:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah here is the port: https://github.com/arvl130/kiss32-repo 2020-11-12T03:56:17 #kisslinux <midfavila_> mhm 2020-11-12T03:56:26 #kisslinux <midfavila_> there are uclibc and glibc ports of it, too 2020-11-12T04:02:39 #kisslinux <Rio6> mounting devpts with -o gid=5,mode=620 fixed xterm 2020-11-12T04:03:04 #kisslinux <Rio6> why so many virtual fs smh 2020-11-12T04:04:01 #kisslinux <Rio6> next problem: usb does not show in lsblk 2020-11-12T04:28:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Rio6, next time you get a permission error check strace 2020-11-12T04:36:30 #kisslinux <Rio6> good idea, I'll try next time 2020-11-12T05:06:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Sooooo... working on a fresh install of regular KISS. Haven't even gotten around to installing a kernel, usbutils is throwing a build error "configure: line 4521: syntax error: unexpected word (expecting ")")". Can you guys reproduce this? 2020-11-12T05:27:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> what is usbutils even used for? 2020-11-12T05:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> lsusb and friends 2020-11-12T05:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise busybox spits out some uh... less than useful information 2020-11-12T05:27:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with pciutils and lspci 2020-11-12T05:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm guilty of not really liking busybox all that much 2020-11-12T05:28:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I knew about pci utils just didn't know about usbutils 2020-11-12T05:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod* 2020-11-12T05:28:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ill build it to see if I can reproduce although I'm not on regular kiss 2020-11-12T05:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> No worries 2020-11-12T05:28:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> No issue here 2020-11-12T05:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fwiw I get the same error on my gKISS host 2020-11-12T05:29:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Works fine here on GKISS 2020-11-12T05:29:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's weird... and you guys are up to date on your repos? 2020-11-12T05:29:37 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Yes 2020-11-12T05:29:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I don't usually use community but I have it on my system and keep it up to date 2020-11-12T05:30:43 #kisslinux * midfavila strikes a Thinker pose 2020-11-12T05:30:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> could you send the whole log or is that all it says? 2020-11-12T05:31:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's all it says using ash 2020-11-12T05:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> using yash in strict POSIX mode gets "./configure:4521: syntax error: `(' must be followed by `)' in a function definition" 2020-11-12T05:31:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm on ash as well so I don't think it would be that 2020-11-12T05:31:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> ill go look at the sources 2020-11-12T05:31:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> see the weird thing is that this is using a fresh install of the latest KISS 2020-11-12T05:32:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's totally stock 2020-11-12T05:32:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so what's there in configure ? 2020-11-12T05:33:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Weird 2020-11-12T05:33:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> In configure it just has do : 2020-11-12T05:33:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> on line 4521 2020-11-12T05:34:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does yours match that midfavila? 2020-11-12T05:34:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, which is even stranger 2020-11-12T05:34:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> at 4521 mine is PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBUSB, libusb-1.0 >= 1.0.14) 2020-11-12T05:34:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> maybe try removing the tarball from sources then do kiss u && kiss b usbutils? 2020-11-12T05:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> same results 2020-11-12T05:35:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> :| 2020-11-12T05:35:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> computers are weird sometimes 2020-11-12T05:35:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Want to upload the configure file to termbin? 2020-11-12T05:37:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://termbin.com/tsl0 2020-11-12T05:38:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> maybe try just removing them by adding "sed -i '/PKG_CHECK_MODULES/d' configure" in the build file? 2020-11-12T05:40:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope, no good 2020-11-12T05:40:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> New error or? 2020-11-12T05:40:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> same error 2020-11-12T05:40:32 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Same error here on a fresh kiss-chroot 2020-11-12T05:40:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah! 2020-11-12T05:40:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm 2020-11-12T05:40:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's strange 2020-11-12T05:40:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> So I'm __not__ insane 2020-11-12T05:41:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> was it the same line number midfavila? 2020-11-12T05:41:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah 2020-11-12T05:41:07 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> yes 2020-11-12T05:41:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Exact same error 2020-11-12T05:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> what version of autoconf have you got, muevoid? 2020-11-12T05:41:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> 2.69 2 2020-11-12T05:41:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> so then it's not that... 2020-11-12T05:41:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> libusb 1.0.23 2020-11-12T05:42:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I use libudev-zero instead of eudev 2020-11-12T05:42:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know if libusb would affect generated configuration files 2020-11-12T05:42:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think so 2020-11-12T05:42:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> maybe libtool? 2020-11-12T05:42:33 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> The host that works has the same version of autoconf 2020-11-12T05:42:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> 2.4.6 2020-11-12T05:42:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> for libtool 2020-11-12T05:42:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's probably not that 2020-11-12T05:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> since that's what I've got on the guest 2020-11-12T05:43:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I don't think so just thought worth asking 2020-11-12T05:43:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> any leads are better than no leads :P 2020-11-12T05:44:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, at least yash is functioning on the new setup! 2020-11-12T05:44:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> what does config.log have if you try to manually do it in the sources? 2020-11-12T05:44:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, let me check 2020-11-12T05:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> some crap about minix libraries. that's interesting but irrelevant 2020-11-12T05:46:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah I'm not seeing anything useful 2020-11-12T05:46:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than configure exiting with error code 258 2020-11-12T05:46:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I'm sure means absolutely nothing 2020-11-12T05:47:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T05:47:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, why would they even put in error codes if they don't have meaning? 2020-11-12T05:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's just misleading 2020-11-12T05:49:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <midfavila> at 4521 mine is PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBUSB, libusb-1.0 >= 1.0.14) 2020-11-12T05:49:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's not valid shell syntax 2020-11-12T05:49:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's why I tried having him do sed 2020-11-12T05:49:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> but said made no difference 2020-11-12T05:49:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, did you run autogen.sh ? 2020-11-12T05:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I had to the first time. I only added it to the build file the first time around 2020-11-12T05:50:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me try again manually 2020-11-12T05:50:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> usually you should download a release tarball which has a ready-made configure script 2020-11-12T05:50:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> usbutils doesn't 2020-11-12T05:50:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so you dont need the autotools 2020-11-12T05:50:43 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2020-11-12T05:50:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> even in tarballs 2020-11-12T05:50:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> afaik 2020-11-12T05:50:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell that to the maintainer of the kiss package 2020-11-12T05:51:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the maintainer uses a git checkout ? 2020-11-12T05:51:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope 2020-11-12T05:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> tarball 2020-11-12T05:51:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but of a git snapshot ? 2020-11-12T05:52:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> I 'unno. I'm just reporting back on what the sources file says. 2020-11-12T05:52:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's under kernel.org's pub directory so I assume it's not a git snap 2020-11-12T05:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so 2020-11-12T05:53:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> running the sed command posted earlier on the configure script generated by autogen results in a new error of the same type 2020-11-12T05:53:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> just on line 4334 2020-11-12T05:53:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's not a proper fix 2020-11-12T05:53:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> hm 2020-11-12T05:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah, obviously 2020-11-12T05:53:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I know just wanted to see if it would work 2020-11-12T05:54:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you need to get PKG_CHECK_MODULES to expand to what it's supposed to do 2020-11-12T05:54:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> by regenerating the configure script with the proper tools 2020-11-12T05:54:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure what would be proper if not the latest version of automake, autoconf, and a stock KISS install 2020-11-12T05:54:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> autoreconf -i is what i usually use 2020-11-12T05:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> results in the same error 2020-11-12T05:55:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> is pkgconfig installed ? 2020-11-12T05:55:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> maybe that's supposed to install the .m4 files containing the macro 2020-11-12T05:55:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would make sense. it's not installed 2020-11-12T05:55:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll try that 2020-11-12T05:56:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah yeah that is probably it probably isn't in the deps since it is in most peoples installs. Probably open up a community issue if that is the case 2020-11-12T05:56:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...uuuuuh... either I'm missing something or pkgconfig isn't even in the core and community repos 2020-11-12T05:56:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hehe all the advanced dependency detection tools in kiss... por nada :) 2020-11-12T05:57:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> isn't it pkg-config 2020-11-12T05:57:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait, never mind 2020-11-12T05:57:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pkgconf 2020-11-12T05:57:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> nvm 2020-11-12T05:57:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> not pkgconfig 2020-11-12T05:57:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah 2020-11-12T05:57:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> brainlet moment 2020-11-12T05:57:54 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks 2020-11-12T05:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I almost feel like that should be added to the dependencies. it's not immediately obvious 2020-11-12T05:59:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, that did work 2020-11-12T05:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks for the suggestion sh4rm4^bnc 2020-11-12T05:59:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> It should be 2020-11-12T05:59:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> pkg-config/pkgconf is a basic build tool, should be installed in any build-from-source distro 2020-11-12T06:00:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah, but wouldn't you just assume it's installed, then? 2020-11-12T06:00:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I get that KISS is all about making zero assumptions, but... 2020-11-12T06:00:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be like "oh, you want to compile stuff? install the toolchain yourself, 4hed" 2020-11-12T06:00:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'd stuff it into the core chroot, since pkgconf is tiny anway 2020-11-12T06:00:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think it should be in the deps 2020-11-12T06:00:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> deps definitely 2020-11-12T06:00:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but not core 2020-11-12T06:00:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I think it should be left out of preinstalled 2020-11-12T06:00:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> What if someone just wanted a tty for some reason? 2020-11-12T06:01:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my pkgconf bin is like 40K 2020-11-12T06:01:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think its about size just less things needed the better 2020-11-12T06:01:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> only stuff that should be in the core should be a basic userspace and build environment 2020-11-12T06:01:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> If it won't be ever used why put it in there 2020-11-12T06:01:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least imo 2020-11-12T06:01:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think personally it should have enough to build the kernel and stuff to build the boot tools 2020-11-12T06:01:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and pkgconf is a basic build utility 2020-11-12T06:01:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but do you really want to include perl in the core 2020-11-12T06:02:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> anyway, laters 2020-11-12T06:02:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> o/ 2020-11-12T06:02:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> see you 2020-11-12T06:02:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> also perl isnt *needed* 2020-11-12T06:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> technically yeah 2020-11-12T06:02:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know how it's not used in every single instance of the kernel, and how you can apply patches and yada yada yada 2020-11-12T06:04:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is used in most cases 2020-11-12T06:04:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> But yeah patches 2020-11-12T06:04:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Well patch 2020-11-12T06:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> on the topic of stuff included in the base: userspaces! 2020-11-12T06:05:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> (this is kind of a leap but roll with me here) 2020-11-12T06:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> what would you say would be the best alternative to busybox and the GNU crud after install? 2020-11-12T06:06:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> sbase 2020-11-12T06:06:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> imo 2020-11-12T06:06:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've been really interested in trying out the plan 9 tools and sbase 2020-11-12T06:06:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> O 2020-11-12T06:06:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm thinking of switching muelinux to sbase 2020-11-12T06:06:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> then system mgr for the service manager 2020-11-12T06:06:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> and sysinit for init 2020-11-12T06:06:57 #kisslinux * midfavila nods 2020-11-12T06:07:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally use Hummingbird 2020-11-12T06:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then sysmgr for services 2020-11-12T06:07:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> currently on my host I have a full GNU setup (glibc, coreutils, w/e) 2020-11-12T06:07:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm cool 2020-11-12T06:07:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> I may use this instead 2020-11-12T06:07:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> hummingbird is crazy fast 2020-11-12T06:07:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> I didn't like the fact it was shell script 2020-11-12T06:07:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's pretty easy to configure 2020-11-12T06:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> boothooks go in /etc/hummingbird.d, and you can alter the three boot stages in /usr/lib/hummingbird, but the core of it is written in C afaik 2020-11-12T06:08:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm assuming something non oss is why u need glibc? 2020-11-12T06:08:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah 2020-11-12T06:08:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Any reason then? 2020-11-12T06:08:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just have trouble getting some stuff to build with musl 2020-11-12T06:08:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Any examples? 2020-11-12T06:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> so when I have issues, I pull in a slackware binary 2020-11-12T06:09:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> spacefm, galculator, nuegia (pale moon stripped of proprietary media), etc 2020-11-12T06:09:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Plus binary wise pretty sure you can steal them from alpine linux 2020-11-12T06:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> dockapps are finnicky too 2020-11-12T06:09:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> never saw dockapps before 2020-11-12T06:09:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> but fair enough 2020-11-12T06:09:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're fucking amazing 2020-11-12T06:10:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> Looks like xorg only so not an option for me 2020-11-12T06:10:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip 2020-11-12T06:10:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'm not going to touch wayland for quite some time 2020-11-12T06:10:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T06:10:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I'd have to completely redo my entire setup 2020-11-12T06:10:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> (I use XDM because hurr, and FVWM has no plans to target Wayland any time soon) 2020-11-12T06:11:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> most of the tools I used already worked on wayland. And the two that I didn't like the wayland support I just wrote my own lol 2020-11-12T06:11:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's part of why I want to pick up programming as a skill 2020-11-12T06:11:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if only in a hobby capacity 2020-11-12T06:11:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> But almost all of the tools I use are in terminal 2020-11-12T06:11:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> So wayland isn't that different for me 2020-11-12T06:11:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair 2020-11-12T06:11:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like using GTK2 stuff 2020-11-12T06:11:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if I spent most of my time in a terminal __anyways__ 2020-11-12T06:12:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> And all gui applications I use are gtk3 or sdl2 so wayland support is a given 2020-11-12T06:12:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/spent/spend 2020-11-12T06:12:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> gtk2 was cool but no wayland support :< 2020-11-12T06:12:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> themes>wayland 2020-11-12T06:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't @ me 2020-11-12T06:12:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Plus is it even supported anymore? 2020-11-12T06:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, no 2020-11-12T06:13:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't really care about what the GNOME team thinks of my preferred toolkit :v 2020-11-12T06:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're a bunch of wieners anyways 2020-11-12T06:13:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah fair enough just wouldn't you worry about the security exploits that could be found? 2020-11-12T06:13:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Or do they at least do security updates? 2020-11-12T06:14:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you can find a security exploit of any severity in a four-function calculator, I'll pay you a hundred dollars 2020-11-12T06:14:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> (not actually but you get the point) 2020-11-12T06:14:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol 2020-11-12T06:14:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> also wdym themes>wayland 2020-11-12T06:14:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtk3 themes are ass 2020-11-12T06:14:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah 2020-11-12T06:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's like three that are any good 2020-11-12T06:14:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have no input 2020-11-12T06:14:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't use any themes lol 2020-11-12T06:14:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> the rest are just "oh hey I changed the shape of the adwaita buttons and changed some colors" 2020-11-12T06:15:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> two gtk applications one is ugly as crap but I barely use and the other is a pdf viewer which I can't even tell uses gtk 2020-11-12T06:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, themes wouldn't be terribly important to me, except I'm kind of obsessed with the QNX Photon widgets 2020-11-12T06:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the Photon theme I have only supports GTK1 and GTK2 2020-11-12T06:15:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm not going anywheres near the eldritch abomination that is GTK3 theming 2020-11-12T06:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh you want a GTK3 theme? write 20k lines of CSS" 2020-11-12T06:16:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Theres times I think about going back to xorg then I remember how much crap xorg has 2020-11-12T06:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I will admit that Xorg is supremely crufty 2020-11-12T06:16:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't dislike xorg and think it has a good place 2020-11-12T06:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also older than most people in here I bet 2020-11-12T06:16:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I can't bring myself to go back I just like wayland too much 2020-11-12T06:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, Xorg totally has a place. that place just isn't the desktop 2020-11-12T06:16:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was never designed for desktop use 2020-11-12T06:16:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T06:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I still think X terminals should make a come back in schools 2020-11-12T06:17:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> At one point it had a printer driver built into xorg 2020-11-12T06:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> *blink* 2020-11-12T06:17:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Excuse me, what? 2020-11-12T06:17:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah iirc 2020-11-12T06:17:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's stupid 2020-11-12T06:18:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I remember watching an old recording of the Computer Chronicles on the X Windowing System when it had just come out 2020-11-12T06:18:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> (this was like 1988) 2020-11-12T06:18:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and seeing the hosts marvel at X primitives was hilarious 2020-11-12T06:18:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would say I agree with the X terminals in school but what why not just have raspberry pis for a cheap pc? I mean unless you need them to be doing more advanced things like cad which I had to do sometimes 2020-11-12T06:18:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile, twenty years later, you've got wobbly windows and cube desktops 2020-11-12T06:19:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, yeah, that's why 2020-11-12T06:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus 2020-11-12T06:19:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> as cool as rasp pis are 2020-11-12T06:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're not production machines and never will be 2020-11-12T06:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and people need to stop treating them like they are 2020-11-12T06:19:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're hobbyist and educational tools 2020-11-12T06:20:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mean they are quite powerful considering the price. Depending on what you do with a pc I don't see why you couldn't use one for everything. 2020-11-12T06:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> having X terminals connected to a "mainframe" (not an actual one, maybe just a crazy powerful server or two) could allow students and teachers access to the entire network from anywheres in the building, with full computational power 2020-11-12T06:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, but think of what an X terminal is 2020-11-12T06:20:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's basically just a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and a barebones system to connect to an X server 2020-11-12T06:20:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah but most schools use google docs and friends now for most things 2020-11-12T06:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get that a fair bit cheaper than what amounts to a fully usable thin client with a rasp pi 2020-11-12T06:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus 2020-11-12T06:21:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> so chromebooks make sense for that (trash imo) workflow 2020-11-12T06:21:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god 2020-11-12T06:21:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college issued me a chromebook 2020-11-12T06:21:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> because they refuse to use standardized formats like PDF for textbooks and instead use these shitty always online services 2020-11-12T06:21:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and ofc those don't run well or at all on my setup 2020-11-12T06:22:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like 2020-11-12T06:22:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> how fucking hard is it to use PDFs or ePubs 2020-11-12T06:22:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know i find it really unfortunate 2020-11-12T06:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> you want to know what's even funnier? 2020-11-12T06:22:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also most schools force students (at least in my area) to have google account 2020-11-12T06:22:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> accounts* 2020-11-12T06:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm studying systems administration and computer security, and all they've taught so far is how to use microshit 2020-11-12T06:22:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Damn 2020-11-12T06:22:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college signed us all up for a fuckton of services 2020-11-12T06:22:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's unfortunate 2020-11-12T06:22:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> like at least seven 2020-11-12T06:23:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> I recently deleted my google account 2020-11-12T06:23:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Discord, MS Teams, MS Outlook, Google, two different textbook services, and an online testing service 2020-11-12T06:23:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm doing amazon soon slowly moving my music collection to cd first 2020-11-12T06:23:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I can't wait to cut my google account 2020-11-12T06:23:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Discord??!!??! 2020-11-12T06:23:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T06:23:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know 2020-11-12T06:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> That was my reaction 2020-11-12T06:23:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Like what 2020-11-12T06:23:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> If you have teams anyways can't that be used? 2020-11-12T06:24:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the teacher doesn't like it 2020-11-12T06:24:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> so fuck you 2020-11-12T06:24:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v 2020-11-12T06:24:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> *facepalm* 2020-11-12T06:24:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh dude, get this 2020-11-12T06:24:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> he said that discord is so lightweight and stable because it's made for gamers 2020-11-12T06:24:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao 2020-11-12T06:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> with a __straight face__ 2020-11-12T06:24:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyways brb like five minutes 2020-11-12T06:24:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I do gamedev as my main hobby and let me say games software and typically stuff related to it is some of the least lightweight things 2020-11-12T06:24:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk 2020-11-12T06:27:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> v 2020-11-12T06:28:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> My bad 2020-11-12T06:31:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay back 2020-11-12T06:31:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> welcome back 2020-11-12T06:32:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> was just getting some tea 2020-11-12T06:32:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> What kind? 2020-11-12T06:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> Earl Grey 2020-11-12T06:32:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> two sugars, one cream 2020-11-12T06:32:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then chilled 2020-11-12T06:32:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Green tea of any kind is my favorite 2020-11-12T06:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a mug with "Coffee" on it to hold my tea, for the extra meme bonus 2020-11-12T06:32:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, green tea is nice when you're sick 2020-11-12T06:32:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T06:33:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> or if I wanted a quick palette cleanser 2020-11-12T06:33:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T06:33:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't really like drinking it regularly 2020-11-12T06:33:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've never had earl grey tea 2020-11-12T06:33:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm... 2020-11-12T06:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> It has a very mild taste 2020-11-12T06:33:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Kind of flowery 2020-11-12T06:33:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Maybe I'll try it 2020-11-12T06:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's nice 2020-11-12T06:34:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I recommend mixing in a tablespoon of honey 2020-11-12T06:34:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't eat honey :P I would probably do maple syrup 2020-11-12T06:34:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't do syrup with earl grey, haha 2020-11-12T06:34:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ok lol 2020-11-12T06:34:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I also picked up this weird peach tea the other day 2020-11-12T06:35:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's actually pretty good 2020-11-12T06:35:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm 2020-11-12T06:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's more of a very smooth juice than anything 2020-11-12T06:35:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Sounds interesting 2020-11-12T06:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> It is! 2020-11-12T06:35:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> What language do you want to learn if you were to learn programming? 2020-11-12T06:35:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Sorry I jump subjects 2020-11-12T06:35:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol 2020-11-12T06:35:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> No worries 2020-11-12T06:35:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've been into Lua recently, since it's easy and fastest among the interpreted languages 2020-11-12T06:36:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lua is really cool I would like to integrate it into my current project. Specifically luajit since lua changes a lot in between releases 2020-11-12T06:36:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> As for compiled... my only experience is with FreeBASIC, but that's not exactly a production language, haha 2020-11-12T06:36:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T06:36:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, luajit is cool 2020-11-12T06:36:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T06:36:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's what I've been using 2020-11-12T06:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> just tinkering here and there right now 2020-11-12T06:36:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> experimenting with loops and such 2020-11-12T06:36:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> My prefered language though is c 2020-11-12T06:37:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to learn C if for no other reason than how much influence it has on most languages 2020-11-12T06:37:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> if I had to choose any modern compiled language it would be go 2020-11-12T06:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> go is so far off my map it isn't even marked 2020-11-12T06:37:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> fair enough 2020-11-12T06:37:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with Rust 2020-11-12T06:37:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> It feels a lot like c to me without memory management 2020-11-12T06:37:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can agree with rust 2020-11-12T06:37:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can't stand rust 2020-11-12T06:38:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to be in a chat with an op who never shut up with his simping for Rust 2020-11-12T06:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> he also liked to shit on anyone who used anything other than chrome or firefox 2020-11-12T06:38:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> The saftey of rust is awesome but that's the only good thing 2020-11-12T06:38:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, FORTH is super cool too 2020-11-12T06:39:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> mostly because it has zero safeties 2020-11-12T06:39:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v 2020-11-12T06:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh, you want to manipulate low level arbitrary memory? okay." 2020-11-12T06:39:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's super fucking weird in case you've never looked into it 2020-11-12T06:39:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, really, really weird 2020-11-12T06:39:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> That looks cool 2020-11-12T06:39:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only data type is the stack 2020-11-12T06:39:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think I will ever move away from c though 2020-11-12T06:39:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it can only perform calclations using RPN 2020-11-12T06:40:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and FORTH is self-assembling 2020-11-12T06:40:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> Or at least anytime in the even remotely close future 2020-11-12T06:40:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> That does sound really cool though 2020-11-12T06:40:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is 2020-11-12T06:40:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does it have good support for using c libs with it? 2020-11-12T06:40:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhhhhhhhhh 2020-11-12T06:40:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> well 2020-11-12T06:40:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> how do I put this 2020-11-12T06:40:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think it even supports the concept of libraries 2020-11-12T06:40:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v 2020-11-12T06:40:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T06:40:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Still sounds really cool 2020-11-12T06:41:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically you should treat FORTH as a high level assembly 2020-11-12T06:41:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha 2020-11-12T06:41:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's easy to fuck it up, and if you fuck it up you can do things like crash your system using nothing but an interpreter 2020-11-12T06:41:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> BUT 2020-11-12T06:41:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> when you get it right, the binary can end up being smaller than raw assembly, and it's almost impossible to break the program 2020-11-12T06:42:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmm 2020-11-12T06:42:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> cool 2020-11-12T06:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, since it's self-assembling, it's easy to port 2020-11-12T06:42:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, really really easy 2020-11-12T06:42:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Scheme is cool too. 2020-11-12T06:43:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as weird as it sounds I kind of want to tinker with FORTRAN 2020-11-12T06:43:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think that is weird 2020-11-12T06:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a lot of stuff I want to learn honestly 2020-11-12T06:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Haskell and APL are really cool as well 2020-11-12T06:43:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think it is cool to mess with any programming languages 2020-11-12T06:44:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Or environments 2020-11-12T06:44:04 #kisslinux * midfavila nods 2020-11-12T06:44:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> just my main one I think will always be c 2020-11-12T06:44:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> For sure 2020-11-12T06:44:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Right now I want to learn more about the fundamentals of computer science before I settle into any one language 2020-11-12T06:44:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that's fair enough 2020-11-12T06:44:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but ofc my high school didn't let me take higher level maths 2020-11-12T06:44:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Have you done anything with c? 2020-11-12T06:44:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Uhh 2020-11-12T06:44:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wrote hello world in it 2020-11-12T06:44:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T06:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and made a box pop up using GTK 2020-11-12T06:45:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've never done anything with gtk lol 2020-11-12T06:46:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> only reason I want to mess with GTK is so I can make tools for my FVWM config, haha 2020-11-12T06:46:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol 2020-11-12T06:46:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why I want to study DSL's stuff 2020-11-12T06:46:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just use the raw wayland api 2020-11-12T06:46:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> But everything I do tool wise is really simple 2020-11-12T06:47:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> Anything more complicated I either do raylib + raygui or opengl and nuklear 2020-11-12T06:47:32 #kisslinux * midfavila nods again 2020-11-12T06:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never done anything 3D 2020-11-12T06:47:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> or really much of anything graphical 2020-11-12T06:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most complex program I wrote was a portscanner in python 2020-11-12T06:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think it was like... 200 lines or something 2020-11-12T06:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing terribly impressive or useful 2020-11-12T06:48:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used to be super into doing 3d things but now everything I do is 2d. I have found overtime I prefer 2d games over 3d 2020-11-12T06:48:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> or 2d graphics in general 2020-11-12T06:48:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I imagine they're easier to work with 2020-11-12T06:49:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Eh for me personally I never really thought of that when doing so. And plus imo for everything I did 3d wasn't *that* much more complicated 2020-11-12T06:49:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just like limitations I think is the main thing 2020-11-12T06:49:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair 2020-11-12T06:50:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> Plus pixelart is like my favorite style for video games so that typically works better in 2d. Although I had worked on voxel games in the past 2020-11-12T06:50:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Pixelart is really cool 2020-11-12T06:50:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I really like pixel art. I am planning on making my own pixel art editor soon 2020-11-12T06:50:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oooh, nice 2020-11-12T06:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> (Write it in GTK2) 2020-11-12T06:51:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I currently use grafx2 though 2020-11-12T06:51:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> (hint hint) 2020-11-12T06:51:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T06:51:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> I will probably use glfw with vinox and raygui 2020-11-12T06:51:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I'm doing pixel art I just use mtPaint 2020-11-12T06:51:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again my "pixel art" is "how can I change the colors on this widget" 2020-11-12T06:51:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T06:52:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> The project I am working on rn my gf does most of the artwork 2020-11-12T06:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod* 2020-11-12T06:52:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh! If you like pixalart and stuff, have you ever seen the old NeXT style? 2020-11-12T06:53:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> We are going to rework some of them but heres what we have rn. https://0x0.st/inYh.png 2020-11-12T06:53:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have not 2020-11-12T06:53:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Have a link? 2020-11-12T06:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://i.redd.it/pq3v5ztrruy21.jpg 2020-11-12T06:53:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's an example 2020-11-12T06:53:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I fucking despise Steve Jobs, but NeXTStep was and is amazing 2020-11-12T06:54:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's pretty cool 2020-11-12T06:54:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude 2020-11-12T06:54:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I have never liked lots of bars or window titlebars 2020-11-12T06:54:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> NeXT is honestly pretty great 2020-11-12T06:54:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's also fair 2020-11-12T06:54:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm a sucker for simple eye candy 2020-11-12T06:54:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T06:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Not a fan of conky, but I'll spend weeks fiddling with widgets 2020-11-12T06:55:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used to use conky 2020-11-12T06:55:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> But got sick of it 2020-11-12T06:55:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol 2020-11-12T06:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just don't see how it could be very useful 2020-11-12T06:55:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, wouldn't you have programs open over it all the time? 2020-11-12T06:55:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now I literally have nothing except for a 2 pixel border around windows 2020-11-12T06:55:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I posted a screenshot of my current setup earlier 2020-11-12T06:56:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> in irc? 2020-11-12T06:56:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://0x0.st/in3m.png 2020-11-12T06:56:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah 2020-11-12T06:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's not r/unixporn worthy, but it's comfy 2020-11-12T06:56:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm suprised to say this but I actually like it 2020-11-12T06:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P 2020-11-12T06:56:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> and again I don't usually like bars and stuff 2020-11-12T06:57:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, I tried to make sure everything has a purpose 2020-11-12T06:57:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Superflous decoration is lame 2020-11-12T06:57:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but just enough decoration can enhance the usability of a system, I think 2020-11-12T06:58:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> this is my current setup: https://0x0.st/ingr.png 2020-11-12T06:58:39 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Nice 2020-11-12T06:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> "woa dood are you using eye three gapps" 2020-11-12T06:58:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> If you are saying that to me thanks 2020-11-12T06:58:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T06:59:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> swaywm 4life 2020-11-12T06:59:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> At least until dwl is more usable 2020-11-12T06:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> Tilers are cool, but I couldn't use one on the daily 2020-11-12T06:59:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I do intend to implement tiling in my FVWM configuration though 2020-11-12T06:59:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hikari is pretty cool for a stacking one 2020-11-12T07:00:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> FVWM spoils me, I could never switch now 2020-11-12T07:00:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> But on my laptop screen screen real estate is low so tiling makes the most sense 2020-11-12T07:00:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, see, that's legit 2020-11-12T07:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally don't even bother with a GUI on my laptop 2020-11-12T07:00:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> (if I had one) 2020-11-12T07:00:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol but this is my main machine and as I do gamedev a gui is *needed* most of the time 2020-11-12T07:01:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, fair 2020-11-12T07:01:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Although I am thinking about implementing a way to just use a framebuffer with my game because I can lol 2020-11-12T07:01:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only reason I __need__ a GUI is because my school won't accept anything other than Word documents for assignments 2020-11-12T07:01:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I can't write my projects in roff 2020-11-12T07:01:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is super fucking cringe 2020-11-12T07:01:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's unfortunate 2020-11-12T07:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T07:02:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm using Ted 2020-11-12T07:02:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> What do you take notes in for school? 2020-11-12T07:02:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> No 2020-11-12T07:02:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> by that I mean I don't 2020-11-12T07:02:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol 2020-11-12T07:02:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I still haven't found anything I like 2020-11-12T07:02:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the stuff they're teaching is so fucking basic 2020-11-12T07:02:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I currently use plain texxt 2020-11-12T07:02:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> text* 2020-11-12T07:02:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> But it can get annoying in chemistry 2020-11-12T07:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly plaintext is the best for general purpose stuff 2020-11-12T07:02:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I imagine LaTeX would be better for scientific use 2020-11-12T07:03:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> I tried out groff and ghostscript 2020-11-12T07:03:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> groff is good for normie documents 2020-11-12T07:03:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> It worked pretty good but something about the workflow put me off 2020-11-12T07:03:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair 2020-11-12T07:03:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think all of the .EQ and .PP etc just were to annoying for me 2020-11-12T07:04:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can see why 2020-11-12T07:04:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a terminal keyboard so I just bind the 22 extra Fn keys to macros, pffff 2020-11-12T07:04:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would like if I could use the eq macros but write everything else just in plain text 2020-11-12T07:04:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Instead of having to do PP and such for normal text 2020-11-12T07:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm 2020-11-12T07:05:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm currently watching the original spiderman 1 movie lol 2020-11-12T07:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that the one where he delivers pizzas 2020-11-12T07:06:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think so 2020-11-12T07:06:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think that is the second one but I may be wrong 2020-11-12T07:06:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not too super far into it 2020-11-12T07:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never been huge into movies tbh 2020-11-12T07:06:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> And it's been forever since I have seen it 2020-11-12T07:06:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's fair 2020-11-12T07:06:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the memes are pretty good though 2020-11-12T07:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=lpvT-Fciu-4 2020-11-12T07:07:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I prefer books most of the time 2020-11-12T07:07:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I just like all forms of art 2020-11-12T07:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I haven't read an actual book in years 2020-11-12T07:07:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> and movies are something I can just turn on while doing things 2020-11-12T07:07:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> I read a really good short series on reddit recently 2020-11-12T07:07:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Wasn't a book but it was really good 2020-11-12T07:07:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >plebbit 2020-11-12T07:07:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T07:07:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I do a lot of online reading though 2020-11-12T07:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially if you count manuals 2020-11-12T07:08:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god 2020-11-12T07:08:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I enjoy reading the different scp stories 2020-11-12T07:08:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> That gives me an idea.... 2020-11-12T07:08:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ooo, if you like SCPs you might like The Holders 2020-11-12T07:08:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like a proto-SCP 2020-11-12T07:08:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've been looking for a terminal application to work on and an scp reader would be cool with sixel image support 2020-11-12T07:08:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> and hmm 2020-11-12T07:08:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'll look it up here 2020-11-12T07:08:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you totally should 2020-11-12T07:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want mid-00s internet collaborative writing there's nothing better 2020-11-12T07:09:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> This seems really cool 2020-11-12T07:10:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude 2020-11-12T07:10:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> my favorite one is uh 2020-11-12T07:10:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck, what was it 2020-11-12T07:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been years 2020-11-12T07:10:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec 2020-11-12T07:11:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah there was even a brief meta-crossover between SCP and The Holders 2020-11-12T07:11:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's really cool lol 2020-11-12T07:11:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T07:11:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> I want to make an scp isometric game 2020-11-12T07:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> was a proverbial "passing of the torch" 2020-11-12T07:11:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> also what the fuck 2020-11-12T07:11:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> So many projects I want to do :< 2020-11-12T07:11:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> theholders.org is down 2020-11-12T07:11:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it dies I'm going to be furious 2020-11-12T07:11:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Damn I just found it on fandom 2020-11-12T07:12:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> to the internet archive 2020-11-12T07:12:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I didn't think of that 2020-11-12T07:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have it bound to a key 2020-11-12T07:12:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T07:12:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can search the IA immediately from anywheres on the web 2020-11-12T07:12:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> super convenient 2020-11-12T07:13:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://web.archive.org/web/20200115103636/http://theholders.org/ 2020-11-12T07:13:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I love the design of this site 2020-11-12T07:13:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool. What browser do you use? I'm assuming something xlu based or whatever moonchild calls it 2020-11-12T07:13:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> UXP 2020-11-12T07:13:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> thank you 2020-11-12T07:13:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use Nuegia 2020-11-12T07:13:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool 2020-11-12T07:14:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a fork of Pale Moon stripped of all proprietary branding, and the forker aims to strip it down to be a more efficient browser than PM 2020-11-12T07:14:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> also all future code will be GPL'd instead of MPL'd 2020-11-12T07:14:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh man 2020-11-12T07:14:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm having flashbacks to when I was eight 2020-11-12T07:14:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have never liked moonchild 2020-11-12T07:14:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also thanks for the link this is really cool 2020-11-12T07:14:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Moonchild is a bit stuffy, but Tobin is the real twat 2020-11-12T07:14:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I bookmarked it for later 2020-11-12T07:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, it is 2020-11-12T07:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to spend hours reading these at school on the old Pentiums instead of doing work, haha 2020-11-12T07:15:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T07:15:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> That was me with scp's 2020-11-12T07:15:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://web.archive.org/web/20200919121804/http://theholders.org/?Holder_of_War 2020-11-12T07:15:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now i read them less frequently but still do 2020-11-12T07:15:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is my favorite 2020-11-12T07:15:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'll read it super quick 2020-11-12T07:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should only take a minute 2020-11-12T07:15:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P 2020-11-12T07:15:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> One of my fav scp stories is this one with a gorilla society 2020-11-12T07:16:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Don't know the number off hand 2020-11-12T07:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think I know that one 2020-11-12T07:19:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> That was a good story 2020-11-12T07:19:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> I won't lie though... 2020-11-12T07:19:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I kind of hate using the IA 2020-11-12T07:19:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmm why? 2020-11-12T07:19:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it reminds me of how much better the web used to be 2020-11-12T07:20:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> scp-1000 2020-11-12T07:20:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> ah fair enough 2020-11-12T07:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you can never actually go back and interact with those sites 2020-11-12T07:20:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah :( 2020-11-12T07:20:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> or those people 2020-11-12T07:20:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're just a phantom observer 2020-11-12T07:20:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like walking through a ghost town 2020-11-12T07:20:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah 2020-11-12T07:21:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm hoping Gemini is able to take off and fill that void 2020-11-12T07:21:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T07:21:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> gemini is cool 2020-11-12T07:21:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know Dillo? 2020-11-12T07:21:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I do 2020-11-12T07:21:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have a gemini plugin 2020-11-12T07:21:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P 2020-11-12T07:21:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is super awesome 2020-11-12T07:21:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> that's really cool 2020-11-12T07:22:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> With something like gemini though I would just use a terminal client 2020-11-12T07:22:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair 2020-11-12T07:22:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm waiting for SDF to start hosting a gemini server for their users 2020-11-12T07:22:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> ofc you have to wait for democracy to run its course 2020-11-12T07:22:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's the price of not having to pay a fee every month 2020-11-12T07:22:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of which I'm going to go check their BBS, brb 2020-11-12T07:22:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk 2020-11-12T07:24:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> according to a dude on the general board, Trudeau is finally doing something decent for once (I'm Canadian) 2020-11-12T07:24:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm jealous 2020-11-12T07:24:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> I want to be canadian 2020-11-12T07:24:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol 2020-11-12T07:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not that great 2020-11-12T07:24:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> My gf lives near toronto 2020-11-12T07:24:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially with the mass immigration we've had for years straining an already struggling financial system 2020-11-12T07:25:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> education is kind of crap too 2020-11-12T07:25:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah your education system sucks 2020-11-12T07:25:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> No offense 2020-11-12T07:25:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T07:25:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it's not american though! 2020-11-12T07:25:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> :( 2020-11-12T07:25:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T07:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P 2020-11-12T07:25:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> We have more choices 2020-11-12T07:25:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Not all is bad here 2020-11-12T07:25:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's not that we don't have choice here 2020-11-12T07:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are plenty of choices 2020-11-12T07:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's that the dept of education mandates common core for public schools 2020-11-12T07:26:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you have everyone learning the same shit which is stupid 2020-11-12T07:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> a science geek shouldn't have to mandatorily learn history 2020-11-12T07:26:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know about other provinces but in ontario online school is expensive, and home schooling your teachers have to have a degree. (Obvi in this case talking before college) 2020-11-12T07:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mmm 2020-11-12T07:26:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I live in NB 2020-11-12T07:27:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha 2020-11-12T07:27:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> here anyone can tutor you, but you have to take a test from a licensed proctor 2020-11-12T07:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that gets you a "grade level" 2020-11-12T07:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can take the tests whenever as long as you have a prior grade, though, afaik 2020-11-12T07:27:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish I could have done homeschooling 2020-11-12T07:27:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I did public school up till 9th grade and then I did online for a year since then I've been doing homeschool though 2020-11-12T07:28:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've mostly been self-taught 2020-11-12T07:28:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> fair enough 2020-11-12T07:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> my parents are military so we moved constantly, and I've always been in and out of different schools 2020-11-12T07:28:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> When I was in public school I was in one of those stupid "gifted programs" for kids who were ahead of their class 2020-11-12T07:28:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> those are lame 2020-11-12T07:28:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> they stuck me in rubberhead classes 2020-11-12T07:28:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> That sucks 2020-11-12T07:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> ironic, because I skipped class to go to the library to read textbooks 2020-11-12T07:29:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T07:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I routinely got As and A+s on tests 2020-11-12T07:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but something like 40% of your mark is based on attendance 2020-11-12T07:29:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> I hate my state 2020-11-12T07:29:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I was technically failing by a long shot 2020-11-12T07:29:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Pre highschool they use a number system 2020-11-12T07:29:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> instead of the traditional letter system 2020-11-12T07:29:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was implemented here a few years ago 2020-11-12T07:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1 2 3 4 instead of percentages and letter marks 2020-11-12T07:30:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that's how it was in middle and elementary school. Although you guys don't have middle school do you? 2020-11-12T07:30:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh, yeah we 2020-11-12T07:30:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> do 2020-11-12T07:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> * 2020-11-12T07:30:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah 2020-11-12T07:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck I can't type 2020-11-12T07:30:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yet again possibly an ontario things in some parts or certain schools 2020-11-12T07:30:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> my gf didn't have a seperate middle school 2020-11-12T07:31:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah it generally goes preschool>kindergarten>elementary>middle/primary>high/secondary>college>uni 2020-11-12T07:31:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> (if you do secondary education) 2020-11-12T07:31:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> :P 2020-11-12T07:31:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T07:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wanted to go to uni but my marks weren't high enough 2020-11-12T07:31:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm stuck doing college 2020-11-12T07:32:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but hey, I have a state sponsorship 2020-11-12T07:32:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> As of right now I have no plans to do any secondary education 2020-11-12T07:32:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's nice 2020-11-12T07:32:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'd think so wouldn't you 2020-11-12T07:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's kind of a pain 2020-11-12T07:32:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Really? Why 2020-11-12T07:33:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> having eviction held over your head based on marks isn't great for your nerves 2020-11-12T07:33:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah fair enough 2020-11-12T07:33:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> If I were ever to do secondary education I would do a technical college 2020-11-12T07:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I'm attending now 2020-11-12T07:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> word of advice 2020-11-12T07:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't 2020-11-12T07:33:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol why 2020-11-12T07:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> waste of time 2020-11-12T07:33:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I didn't plan to anyways 2020-11-12T07:33:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> they just throw textbooks at you for certs 2020-11-12T07:33:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Like I said just if I were to 2020-11-12T07:34:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah ik 2020-11-12T07:34:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so hot take though 2020-11-12T07:34:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what class __should__ be mandatory? 2020-11-12T07:34:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> hmm? 2020-11-12T07:34:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> home economics 2020-11-12T07:34:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> I agree 2020-11-12T07:35:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they should roll other stuff into it 2020-11-12T07:35:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like health education, and first aid 2020-11-12T07:35:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine if everyone knew basic first aid how many lives could be saved 2020-11-12T07:35:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T07:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> or like, hell 2020-11-12T07:35:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if everyone knew how to clean and cook properly 2020-11-12T07:35:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> I find it really unfortunate it isn't mandatory 2020-11-12T07:35:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's seen as a joke class 2020-11-12T07:35:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is sad 2020-11-12T07:35:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's probably one of the most useful subjects you can take 2020-11-12T07:36:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> woodshop is the other elective I took that year 2020-11-12T07:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> since it's also kind of useful 2020-11-12T07:36:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> fix and build furniture and whatnot 2020-11-12T07:36:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also took woodshop in public school 2020-11-12T07:36:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to build shelves soon, actually... 2020-11-12T07:36:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> later on I took the cybersecurity course my high school offered 2020-11-12T07:37:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was one of the first students to sign up. that's how I got the state sponsorship 2020-11-12T07:37:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> the programming course at my previous highschool was a joke 2020-11-12T07:37:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Visual basic 2020-11-12T07:37:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> same 2020-11-12T07:37:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> we had VB and java 2020-11-12T07:37:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like 2020-11-12T07:37:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> not VB .NET 2020-11-12T07:37:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> OG VB 2020-11-12T07:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I think it was java 8 2020-11-12T07:37:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think ours was also og vb but I don't remember has been quite a few years now 2020-11-12T07:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just graduated a few months back, so the memory is fresh in my mind 2020-11-12T07:38:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wrote to the dept of edu about it 2020-11-12T07:38:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I graduate next year 2020-11-12T07:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice 2020-11-12T07:38:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just turned 17 on the 7th 2020-11-12T07:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, happy birthday 2020-11-12T07:38:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> I turn nineteen on the nineteenth next month, haha 2020-11-12T07:38:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> thanks lol 2020-11-12T07:38:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nice well early happy birthday 2020-11-12T07:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks 2020-11-12T07:39:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> now if only I had turned nineteen on the nineteenth of december in 2019 2020-11-12T07:39:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> golden birthday though eh 2020-11-12T07:39:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> something like that 2020-11-12T07:39:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not terribly excited 2020-11-12T07:39:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> is weed legal in your province? 2020-11-12T07:39:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> weed is legal federally 2020-11-12T07:39:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah 2020-11-12T07:39:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't do drugs 2020-11-12T07:39:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T07:39:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I hate drugs 2020-11-12T07:39:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> the hardest stuff I use is like 2020-11-12T07:39:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ibuprofen 2020-11-12T07:39:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v 2020-11-12T07:40:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> but weed i dont have a problem with 2020-11-12T07:40:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> see for me it depends on the blend and why it's being used 2020-11-12T07:40:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> My bad has been in and out of jails for lots of drugs so i really despise drugs 2020-11-12T07:40:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> dad 2020-11-12T07:40:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> * 2020-11-12T07:40:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> s/bad/dad/g 2020-11-12T07:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't recall the exact formulas for them, but there's two main active chemicals in weed 2020-11-12T07:40:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not sure *shrug* 2020-11-12T07:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> one is primarily responsible for its hallucinogenic effects, the other for its calming effects 2020-11-12T07:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> most people who want "the good stuff" go for blends high in hallucinogens 2020-11-12T07:41:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm not exactly approving of that. but hey, it's not my life 2020-11-12T07:42:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> medicinal usage is totally fine though imo 2020-11-12T07:42:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> as long as they do it in a safe environment I have no problem with weed. It is far better imo then something like beer 2020-11-12T07:42:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> alcohol is pretty shit yeah 2020-11-12T07:42:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> And plus it can help certain people with anxiety and shit 2020-11-12T07:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's a medicinal blend, mhm 2020-11-12T07:43:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah okay so 2020-11-12T07:43:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> just remembered 2020-11-12T07:43:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> THC is the psychoactive component in weed 2020-11-12T07:43:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and CBD is the medicinal component 2020-11-12T07:43:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah you can actually by cbd oil in most places 2020-11-12T07:44:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah 2020-11-12T07:44:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> buy* 2020-11-12T07:44:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a friend in Sweden who uses it because he has really bad paranoia 2020-11-12T07:45:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but see, then you've got people who buy high THC strains and claim "it's okay, brah, it's like medicine 'n shiet" 2020-11-12T07:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile THC is at least tangentially linked to psychosis, paranoia, and all the other negatives linked to weed 2020-11-12T07:45:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T07:46:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit I should probably do some more work on my KISS setup 2020-11-12T07:46:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to see if I can get all my regular programs to play nice with musl 2020-11-12T07:46:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol sorry for keeping you talking 2020-11-12T07:46:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah dude, it's totally fine 2020-11-12T07:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not going to bed for a while anyways 2020-11-12T07:47:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if it's... 2020-11-12T07:47:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Me neither 2020-11-12T07:47:05 #kisslinux * midfavila squints 2020-11-12T07:47:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> 4AM 2020-11-12T07:47:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I plan on staying up all night lol 2020-11-12T07:47:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> its almost 2AM here 2020-11-12T07:47:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll probably stay awake for a few more hours and then cut class to sleep 2020-11-12T07:47:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're still on the OSI model 2020-11-12T07:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> been dealing with it for five days 2020-11-12T07:47:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> such a fucking waste of time 2020-11-12T07:48:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> damn 2020-11-12T07:48:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> they took two weeks to teach MS Word 2020-11-12T07:48:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Holy shit 2020-11-12T07:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it wasn't even like 2020-11-12T07:48:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> advanced macros and keyboard shortcuts 2020-11-12T07:48:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> which you know, would be actually kind of useful 2020-11-12T07:49:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> how can it take that long to learn something like word 2020-11-12T07:49:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's "in depth" 2020-11-12T07:49:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mean im sure theres tons of features and you could always learn more 2020-11-12T07:49:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> shshshshsh 2020-11-12T07:49:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> but do you really need all of that? 2020-11-12T07:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> just give them monies 2020-11-12T07:49:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T07:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> out of the two year program less than a hundred hours is dedicated to *nix 2020-11-12T07:50:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> which for a systems administration course is like 2020-11-12T07:50:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> wat 2020-11-12T07:50:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> How 2020-11-12T07:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> "everyone uses Windows now, Anon" 2020-11-12T07:50:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't understand that lol 2020-11-12T07:50:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't understand that 2020-11-12T07:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I would understand touching on windows configuration basics 2020-11-12T07:50:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Even microsoft azure 2020-11-12T07:51:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> uses linux 2020-11-12T07:51:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> does it not? 2020-11-12T07:51:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes and no 2020-11-12T07:51:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> linux is the most commonly hosted system on azure 2020-11-12T07:51:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's nothing stopping you from hosting winshit 2020-11-12T07:51:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha 2020-11-12T07:51:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, I would get teaching basic configuration stuff 2020-11-12T07:51:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not super familiar with azure 2020-11-12T07:51:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I would understand that to 2020-11-12T07:51:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> too 2020-11-12T07:51:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> * 2020-11-12T07:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but almost two years is ridiculous 2020-11-12T07:51:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can't type right 2020-11-12T07:51:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that is 2020-11-12T07:52:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should have taken the four years of sponsored independent study 2020-11-12T07:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they wanted a decision then and there 2020-11-12T07:52:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you know how they are doing *nix stuff. Like wsl? or a vm or bare metal 2020-11-12T07:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I was like "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck uuuuuuuuuuuuh college" 2020-11-12T07:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no idea yet 2020-11-12T07:52:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's probably VMs 2020-11-12T07:52:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T07:52:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm betting it's going to be Ubuntu 2020-11-12T07:52:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and focused entirely on graphical configuration 2020-11-12T07:52:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah probably 2020-11-12T07:52:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it is I'm going to just talk to the instructor and be like "okay so look" 2020-11-12T07:53:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I could teach your class. Let me leave." 2020-11-12T07:53:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T07:53:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> also 2020-11-12T07:53:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> real talk 2020-11-12T07:53:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> who the fuck uses Ubuntu on an enterprise prod server 2020-11-12T07:53:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never ever heard of that 2020-11-12T07:54:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have no f**cking clue 2020-11-12T07:54:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've heard of Debian, I've heard of Slackware, I've heard of RHEL and CentOS (ofc), but never Ubuntu 2020-11-12T07:54:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Isn't like rehl the most commonly used one 2020-11-12T07:54:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not sure what is 2020-11-12T07:54:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, followed by CentOS 2020-11-12T07:54:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and basically 2020-11-12T07:54:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> RHEL is just Fedora but you get commerical support from IBM 2020-11-12T07:55:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> some companies also use bsd* 2020-11-12T07:55:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> commercial* 2020-11-12T07:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T07:55:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah thought so 2020-11-12T07:55:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> doesn't netflix use freebsd? 2020-11-12T07:55:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and RHEL also integrates proprietary patches and backports stuff to their kernels 2020-11-12T07:55:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yes 2020-11-12T07:55:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> netflix does 2020-11-12T07:55:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha 2020-11-12T07:55:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the same chat as the Rust simp op there was a total RHEL suit 2020-11-12T07:55:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude was fucking obsessed with "oh boy I can't wait to suck the cock of anyone who pays me to administer RHEL" 2020-11-12T07:56:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> "soystemd is the best thing that ever happened to linux" 2020-11-12T07:56:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really don't like the landscape of most modern linux distros 2020-11-12T07:56:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> same 2020-11-12T07:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> It Just Werks:tm: only works until it doesn't 2020-11-12T07:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and most distros seem keen on keeping it that way 2020-11-12T07:57:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes because something that has millions of lines of code and scope creeps is something that should be relied on 2020-11-12T07:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean- 2020-11-12T07:57:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ik the kernel does 2020-11-12T07:57:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> *coughs* GCC 2020-11-12T07:57:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah lol 2020-11-12T07:57:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, shit 2020-11-12T07:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking X11 2020-11-12T07:57:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I wish everything would compile with tcc or some shit 2020-11-12T07:57:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's too much choice 2020-11-12T07:57:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> and plus server wise x11 isn't needed or gcc 2020-11-12T07:57:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> back in the cage 2020-11-12T07:58:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> but point still stands 2020-11-12T07:58:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, and I knew a guy who professionally administrated Gentoo servers 2020-11-12T07:58:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> in an enterprise environment 2020-11-12T07:58:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> And plus I take the view minimize where possible 2020-11-12T07:58:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> The beep 2020-11-12T07:58:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T07:59:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really want to start self hosting most things 2020-11-12T07:59:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> Same 2020-11-12T07:59:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I just haven't gotten around to it 2020-11-12T08:00:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have a server and domain just haven't done anything with it yet 2020-11-12T08:00:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mostly shunt stuff onto SDF because it's __basically__ self-hosting and you don't have to pay for it beyond a membership cost 2020-11-12T08:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as a member you can get them to negotiate for domain names at no extra fee, and stuff 2020-11-12T08:00:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool 2020-11-12T08:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh and they do global VOIP for like 25$ a quarter or something crazy cheap 2020-11-12T08:01:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool 2020-11-12T08:01:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can call anyone, on any device, from your PC 2020-11-12T08:01:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> without usinng special software on the receiving end 2020-11-12T08:01:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> That is actually really cool 2020-11-12T08:01:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> they still offer dialup and DSL access for members too 2020-11-12T08:01:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and plain dialin shell access 2020-11-12T08:01:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> I actually dialed in using a payphone once just for shits and giggles 2020-11-12T08:01:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao 2020-11-12T08:02:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> now if only I could have phreaked it, it would have completed the experience 2020-11-12T08:02:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:02:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> Phone phreaking is cool 2020-11-12T08:02:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> But no longer is possible lmao 2020-11-12T08:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes and no 2020-11-12T08:02:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Obvi illegal but is cool to learn about 2020-11-12T08:02:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> really? 2020-11-12T08:03:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't pull off $COLOR-boxing any more 2020-11-12T08:03:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah ik that for sure 2020-11-12T08:03:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but demon dialing and other more rudimentary techniques are totally doable 2020-11-12T08:03:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha 2020-11-12T08:03:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there's been some research into manipulating 3G networks 2020-11-12T08:03:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Huh 2020-11-12T08:04:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly though I wish I could have been around during the 70s and 80s 2020-11-12T08:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially with one of those sweet S-100 machines 2020-11-12T08:04:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I wish I had been a teen in the 8bit era 2020-11-12T08:04:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew 2020-11-12T08:04:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> or 16bit era 2020-11-12T08:04:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> 8bit home micros are meh imho 2020-11-12T08:04:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like toys than real machines 2020-11-12T08:04:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> A commodore64 would be super cool to mess with 2020-11-12T08:04:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> or a pet 2020-11-12T08:04:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah dude 2020-11-12T08:05:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me show you what Real Programmers:tm: use 2020-11-12T08:05:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:05:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> We recently had an arcade open up near our house it is super cool 2020-11-12T08:05:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/IMSAI_8080-IMG_1477.jpg 2020-11-12T08:05:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> pure sex 2020-11-12T08:05:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> It has a ton of retro arcade machines and you can get access all day for 12$ 2020-11-12T08:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice 2020-11-12T08:05:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:06:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> The only arcade in my city is one of those rinky dink movie theatre ones 2020-11-12T08:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they have DDR with the Evangelion theme song so it's okay I guess 2020-11-12T08:06:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah 2020-11-12T08:06:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> real programmers manually use a pin head to write bites to a disk 2020-11-12T08:06:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> IMSAI 8080 2020-11-12T08:06:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is that a card machine? 2020-11-12T08:06:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have to flip the switches to manually toggle in machine code 2020-11-12T08:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> pffft no 2020-11-12T08:06:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah 2020-11-12T08:06:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T08:06:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> card readers were extra 2020-11-12T08:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> you silly billy 2020-11-12T08:06:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:06:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know much about super early computers :P 2020-11-12T08:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, here's a tidbit you'll find interesting then 2020-11-12T08:07:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know they were still used for certain things even in later years though 2020-11-12T08:07:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> writing software for computers like the IMSAI is how Microsoft got their start 2020-11-12T08:07:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm 2020-11-12T08:07:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> that's interesting 2020-11-12T08:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> their very first product was Altair BASIC 2020-11-12T08:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and even in the beginning they were outright hostile to hobbyists 2020-11-12T08:07:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> What's your favorite retro computer? 2020-11-12T08:07:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> the IMSAI 8080 2020-11-12T08:07:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P 2020-11-12T08:07:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol 2020-11-12T08:07:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I may or may not have wormed my way into one of their FTP servers 2020-11-12T08:08:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> If I had to pick one pc to live with forever I would probably choose either an amiga or any libreboot laptop that can 2020-11-12T08:08:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> run linux 2020-11-12T08:08:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh dude 2020-11-12T08:08:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah 2020-11-12T08:08:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> hold on a sec 2020-11-12T08:08:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're about to have a nerdgasm so you might want to sit down 2020-11-12T08:08:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Are you on a desktop? 2020-11-12T08:08:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao im in a hammock 2020-11-12T08:08:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah. 2020-11-12T08:08:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hit me 2020-11-12T08:08:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-personal-computer.html 2020-11-12T08:08:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> boom 2020-11-12T08:09:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> open hardware laptop 2020-11-12T08:09:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely modular 2020-11-12T08:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> runs binary blob free 2020-11-12T08:09:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's fucking sick 2020-11-12T08:09:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Can you order it rn? 2020-11-12T08:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> yuup 2020-11-12T08:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> they ship next monnth 2020-11-12T08:09:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> month* 2020-11-12T08:09:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking hell 2020-11-12T08:09:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're pretty expensive though 2020-11-12T08:09:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also what architecture arm im assuming. Risc V would be awesome but I doubt it 2020-11-12T08:09:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ARM right now 2020-11-12T08:09:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but RISC-V is in the talking phase 2020-11-12T08:10:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're waiting for a decently powerful SoC to come out that they can use to make the next CPU board 2020-11-12T08:10:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> also they're considering an ePaper display 2020-11-12T08:10:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is hhhhh 2020-11-12T08:10:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T08:10:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> And eh 2020-11-12T08:10:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> That would put me off 2020-11-12T08:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, you also do graphical work :P 2020-11-12T08:11:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> It would be a cool option 2020-11-12T08:11:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah :P 2020-11-12T08:11:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I said earlier, I work exclusively in a TTY on a laptop 2020-11-12T08:11:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah fair enough 2020-11-12T08:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I get mine I'm going to rip the pointing device out and replace it with a USB hub or something 2020-11-12T08:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and webcam/mic are also optional 2020-11-12T08:12:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can remove or upgrade those individually 2020-11-12T08:12:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's awesome I never use either lol 2020-11-12T08:12:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T08:12:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Right now I am on a darter pro 6 from system76 2020-11-12T08:12:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Expensive as crap 2020-11-12T08:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeesh 2020-11-12T08:12:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> and tbh overkill for me 2020-11-12T08:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't have a laptop right now 2020-11-12T08:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> just my desktop 2020-11-12T08:13:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> I should've bought an old thinkpad with libreboot 2020-11-12T08:13:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly yeah 2020-11-12T08:13:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> T400 gang 2020-11-12T08:13:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol 2020-11-12T08:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> my new workstation is going to be ridiculous though 2020-11-12T08:13:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also have considered getting a pinebook 2020-11-12T08:13:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> What are the specs of your current pc? 2020-11-12T08:14:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> my current PC runs a core i5 4460, 12GB of DDR3@1600, and an RX570 2020-11-12T08:14:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nice 2020-11-12T08:14:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> on some generic GIGABYTE board 2020-11-12T08:14:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> good job no nvidia 2020-11-12T08:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> my new machine is just silly though 2020-11-12T08:14:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Mind to share? 2020-11-12T08:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> dual Xeon E6 2670v3 CPUs (total of 24c48t), sixty four gigs of DDR4 ECC RAM (I think it's 2600mhz, can't recall rn), RX570 GPU, and an Asus Xonar STX sound card 2020-11-12T08:15:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> running on an Intel S2600CW2R 2020-11-12T08:15:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Holy crap! Do you even need that? 2020-11-12T08:15:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> no 2020-11-12T08:15:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:15:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I want it 2020-11-12T08:15:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I thirst for it 2020-11-12T08:15:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough 2020-11-12T08:15:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> I also have four monitors 2020-11-12T08:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I also don't need 2020-11-12T08:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I also want 2020-11-12T08:16:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used to do multiple monitors but I find now that all I need is one 2020-11-12T08:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> quad LaCie 321 2020-11-12T08:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've invested... way too much money into my setup 2020-11-12T08:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v 2020-11-12T08:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> like an entire summer job's worth 2020-11-12T08:16:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> It annoyed me far too much to look over at other monitors and move windows to other ones 2020-11-12T08:16:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Holy crap 2020-11-12T08:16:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mean if thats what you enjoy though I cant blame you 2020-11-12T08:17:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> computing is my major hobby 2020-11-12T08:17:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like just dicking around with hardware 2020-11-12T08:17:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why I got this new mobo 2020-11-12T08:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> 96 PCIe lanes with native PCIe bifurcation 2020-11-12T08:17:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I got sick of working on pcs cause I built one then everyone wanted me to fix their p 2020-11-12T08:17:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> eat your heart out, threadripper 2020-11-12T08:17:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> cs or build new ones 2020-11-12T08:17:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> holy shit 2020-11-12T08:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup 2020-11-12T08:17:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> in theory I could stick 96 GPUs in this bad boy 2020-11-12T08:18:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that would just be silly 2020-11-12T08:18:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> (not that it isn't already silly) 2020-11-12T08:18:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> only 96! I use a super computer that has thousands! 2020-11-12T08:18:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> s 2020-11-12T08:18:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> tfw super computers probably don't even have PCIe lanes 2020-11-12T08:18:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Probably not 2020-11-12T08:18:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> It was for the comedy or my terrible attempt at comedy 2020-11-12T08:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah the reason I got the board with PCIe bifurcation is so it could afford to not have integrated IO 2020-11-12T08:19:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> fair enough 2020-11-12T08:19:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it has a grand total of four USB ports and two Ethernet 2020-11-12T08:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's it 2020-11-12T08:19:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but because it has a hilarious amount of expansion lanes I can act like it's 1980 and just slap expansion cards in to my heart's content 2020-11-12T08:20:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had a few thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket I'd pick up some SAS drives 2020-11-12T08:20:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I wish pcs were still like that :P 2020-11-12T08:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why I like S-100 machines 2020-11-12T08:20:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could have an eight-core machine in the 70s 2020-11-12T08:20:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> or more if you wanted to 2020-11-12T08:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> just put more CPU boards in 2020-11-12T08:20:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> hell, you could have multiple architectures if you wanted to 2020-11-12T08:20:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> the system didn't give a shit 2020-11-12T08:21:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T08:21:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've almost got all the parts I need for the new build 2020-11-12T08:21:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> just waiting on the coolers, and I've got to order the PSU 2020-11-12T08:22:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's always the best feeling 2020-11-12T08:22:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> eventually I'd like to get a custom chassis machined 2020-11-12T08:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> (ofc in the style of the IMSAI 8080 2020-11-12T08:22:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> ) 2020-11-12T08:22:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> You want to see some real jank shit I did 2020-11-12T08:22:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure 2020-11-12T08:22:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> This was forever ago when I was tight on money 2020-11-12T08:23:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm getting there 2020-11-12T08:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> no rush 2020-11-12T08:23:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/8i2i29/welp_just_got_thi 2020-11-12T08:24:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> or direct image address https://preview.redd.it/dxopoeufqqw01.jpg?widt 2020-11-12T08:24:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> mfw 403 2020-11-12T08:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's super jank 2020-11-12T08:24:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yep 2020-11-12T08:24:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I thought it was cardboard 2020-11-12T08:24:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is cardboard :P 2020-11-12T08:24:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, I'm stupid 2020-11-12T08:24:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> The title is misleading 2020-11-12T08:24:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nah 2020-11-12T08:25:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> But it worked when I didn't have money for a 10$ case 2020-11-12T08:25:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao 2020-11-12T08:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to make one out of machined steel 2020-11-12T08:25:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> with a nice coat of that textured paint 2020-11-12T08:25:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that would be sick 2020-11-12T08:25:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, like, the gravelly-feeling stuff? 2020-11-12T08:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that kind of paint 2020-11-12T08:25:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T08:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> hold on one sec 2020-11-12T08:26:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> Somehow that pc is still alive 2020-11-12T08:26:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> I sold it to someone 2020-11-12T08:26:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also when that pic was taken went through a phase of 2020-11-12T08:26:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> booting off of an external harddrive always 2020-11-12T08:27:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> Before I used linux so it was even worse cause win2go 2020-11-12T08:28:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also just finished the movie no that is not the pizza o 2020-11-12T08:28:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> ne 2020-11-12T08:28:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> kirc is being strange rn my messages are getting cut 2020-11-12T08:28:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> off 2020-11-12T08:28:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird 2020-11-12T08:28:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> is there a character limit mcpcpc[m] 2020-11-12T08:28:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> ? 2020-11-12T08:29:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/07/imsaiinsidepcrop.jpg 2020-11-12T08:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> check it oooooooooooout 2020-11-12T08:29:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> S-100 and ATX in the same chassis 2020-11-12T08:30:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool 2020-11-12T08:30:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I ended up snagging some old internal documentation about it when they were self-hosting 2020-11-12T08:30:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I was a tard and ended up losing it all in a disk wipe 2020-11-12T08:30:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's unfortunate 2020-11-12T08:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T08:30:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> I emailed them asking if they could look into opening up production or something again 2020-11-12T08:30:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> also btw if you need help trying to get anythi 2020-11-12T08:30:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> ng to compile on musl just lmk 2020-11-12T08:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Sure, thanks. 2020-11-12T08:31:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> minus anything with xorg or bash deps 2020-11-12T08:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, imagine if they started producing chassis like that but with open schematics 2020-11-12T08:31:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> because I don't have either :P 2020-11-12T08:31:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> that would be really cool 2020-11-12T08:31:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think it would make a lot of sense 2020-11-12T08:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, IMSAI started by targetting hobbyists 2020-11-12T08:31:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> how poetic would it be for them to make a comeback by doing the same thing? 2020-11-12T08:31:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T08:31:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they'd definitely stand out too 2020-11-12T08:32:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah it would be cool 2020-11-12T08:32:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you like listening to people give 2020-11-12T08:32:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> speeches? 2020-11-12T08:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends on what the speech is about 2020-11-12T08:32:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, I could listen to RMS talk for hours 2020-11-12T08:33:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah this one is about 8bit pixel art 2020-11-12T08:33:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh. Maybe 2020-11-12T08:33:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's really interesting goes over 2020-11-12T08:33:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> like color cycling 2020-11-12T08:33:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I liked Ahoy's videos on computer graphics 2020-11-12T08:33:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> and pixel art on amiga and commodo 2020-11-12T08:33:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> re 2020-11-12T08:33:38 #kisslinux <RIPPLE> :q 2020-11-12T08:33:38 #kisslinux <RIPPLE> q 2020-11-12T08:33:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I do 2020-11-12T08:33:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have seen them 2020-11-12T08:33:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> They are very interesting 2020-11-12T08:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> His content is incredibly well made 2020-11-12T08:34:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> A brief history of graphics 2020-11-12T08:34:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Imma re watch that now lol 2020-11-12T08:34:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I especially liked his Nuclear Fruit series 2020-11-12T08:34:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ill def check it out 2020-11-12T08:34:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should 2020-11-12T08:34:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it covers how the cold war influenced computing and gaming development 2020-11-12T08:34:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> also if you do ever want 2020-11-12T08:34:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> to see that speach just 2020-11-12T08:34:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> search 2020-11-12T08:34:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> 8 bit and 8 bitish 2020-11-12T08:34:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> graphics 2020-11-12T08:35:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> holy crap this is 2020-11-12T08:35:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> annoying im rejoinin 2020-11-12T08:35:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> kk 2020-11-12T08:35:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> mcpcpc[m] it actually keeps decreasing the longer i type for. 2020-11-12T08:35:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird 2020-11-12T08:36:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah it's very weird 2020-11-12T08:36:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> anyways since I can type now here is the link if you ever want to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcJ1Jvtef0 2020-11-12T08:36:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> ooo retroahoy seems cool 2020-11-12T08:37:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ahoy is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing 2020-11-12T08:37:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> his amiga video is great too 2020-11-12T08:37:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> One of his videos clickbaited me 2020-11-12T08:37:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... all of it is 2020-11-12T08:37:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> not technically but I was expecting something else 2020-11-12T08:37:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> a brief history of piracy 2020-11-12T08:37:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah :P 2020-11-12T08:37:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's about actual pirate games lmao 2020-11-12T08:37:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> mhm 2020-11-12T08:37:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> It was funny as crap but I was expecting copy protection stuff 2020-11-12T08:37:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone was 2020-11-12T08:37:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> but mvg has some good videos on that stuff 2020-11-12T08:38:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> man that reminds me 2020-11-12T08:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should get back to fiddling with debuggers 2020-11-12T08:38:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> playing reversemes is fun 2020-11-12T08:38:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-11-12T08:39:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really need to work on vinox soon 2020-11-12T08:40:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've been putting off adding some things like text and different shapes cause im lazy lmao 2020-11-12T08:40:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Vinox? 2020-11-12T08:40:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> My gles2 library mainly for gamedev 2020-11-12T08:40:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aaah 2020-11-12T08:40:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> I had used raylib before but it needed a patch for no libX11 wayland so I just thought ill make my own lmao 2020-11-12T08:41:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> so I did 2020-11-12T08:41:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair 2020-11-12T08:41:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> raylib is really cool though 2020-11-12T08:41:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's super fun to just mess around with even if you don't do gamedev 2020-11-12T08:41:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I made a little raycaster in it 2020-11-12T08:43:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mainly followed a tutorial but was still fun 2020-11-12T08:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod* 2020-11-12T08:44:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> https://0x0.st/ingJ.png 2020-11-12T08:44:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly the big thing that stops me from learning programming is that it seems like the only two ways to do so is either a) watch dozens of boring theoretical videos or b) fuck around with an interpreter until you figure shit out 2020-11-12T08:45:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T08:45:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> For me the easiest way for me to start learning is just do 2020-11-12T08:45:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> Same 2020-11-12T08:45:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's how I started learning python 2020-11-12T08:45:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think my first thing I programmed were minecraft mods 2020-11-12T08:45:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course :P 2020-11-12T08:45:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah lol 2020-11-12T08:46:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> then c# unity 2020-11-12T08:46:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> back in my day I programmed roblox mods 2020-11-12T08:46:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> and then c++ for unreal 2020-11-12T08:46:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> and now c 2020-11-12T08:46:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> I never did that 2020-11-12T08:46:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> It uses lua right? 2020-11-12T08:46:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah 2020-11-12T08:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was also five at the time so 2020-11-12T08:46:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't judge me 2020-11-12T08:46:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao im not 2020-11-12T08:46:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't remember when I played roblox as a kid 2020-11-12T08:46:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was quite young though 2020-11-12T08:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> later on I messed around with custom items in starbound 2020-11-12T08:47:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> which also uses lua 2020-11-12T08:47:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> no surprises there 2020-11-12T08:47:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Starbound is really cool but never have played it 2020-11-12T08:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly don't bother 2020-11-12T08:47:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really should though considering terraria is one of my fav games 2020-11-12T08:47:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Really? 2020-11-12T08:47:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I bought it day one early access and it's been downhill 2020-11-12T08:47:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Damn 2020-11-12T08:47:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> You ever play terraria? 2020-11-12T08:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have over six hundred hours in it 2020-11-12T08:47:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:47:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I have lots of hours 2020-11-12T08:47:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> I had 200 something before I bought it on gog 2020-11-12T08:48:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I started with 1.2.6 2020-11-12T08:48:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> and that also takes time away from console editions 2020-11-12T08:48:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> so i have no clue lol 2020-11-12T08:48:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod* 2020-11-12T08:48:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> I love terraria though 2020-11-12T08:48:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I had a few hundred hours on my PS3 2020-11-12T08:48:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, I do too 2020-11-12T08:48:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> By far one of my favorite games ever 2020-11-12T08:48:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's kind of boring without mods now 2020-11-12T08:48:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and since it's 32-bit the amount of mods you can load is pretty limited 2020-11-12T08:48:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> when 1.4 came out I did a master mode summoner play through 2020-11-12T08:48:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah 2020-11-12T08:48:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait, 1.4 is out? 2020-11-12T08:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck? 2020-11-12T08:48:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes 2020-11-12T08:48:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> when did this happen? 2020-11-12T08:48:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is amazing 2020-11-12T08:49:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> May i believe 2020-11-12T08:49:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> have they added official mod support yet? 2020-11-12T08:49:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't remember exactly 2020-11-12T08:49:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kind of not really 2020-11-12T08:49:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> but tmodloader is officially supported now 2020-11-12T08:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> based 2020-11-12T08:49:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> you can get it on steam so it is more accessible 2020-11-12T08:49:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> now to wait for them to make the game 64-bit 2020-11-12T08:49:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah even 1.4.1 is out lol 2020-11-12T08:49:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Supposedly the last update though 2020-11-12T08:49:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> minus bug fixes 2020-11-12T08:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wonder what Re-logic will do after Terraria since Otherworld is dead 2020-11-12T08:50:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really want to get it working in flatpak so I can play on mue linux 2020-11-12T08:50:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> but mouse doesn't work 2020-11-12T08:50:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I gave up cause I couldn 2020-11-12T08:50:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> 't figure it out 2020-11-12T08:50:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's starting again 2020-11-12T08:50:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> what is? 2020-11-12T08:50:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> message cutting 2020-11-12T08:50:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless you mistyped there 2020-11-12T08:50:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> No lol that was because I mistyped lmao 2020-11-12T08:50:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh rip 2020-11-12T08:51:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> my finger slipped onto return 2020-11-12T08:51:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah im not sure what they will do 2020-11-12T08:52:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Tbh the one reason I think about going back to xorg is cause of terraria lmao 2020-11-12T08:52:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> dew it 2020-11-12T08:52:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> install FVWM too while you're at it 2020-11-12T08:52:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao 2020-11-12T08:53:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> wayland feels so nice though :< 2020-11-12T08:53:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but consider the following 2020-11-12T08:53:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> terraria 2020-11-12T08:53:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao ik 2020-11-12T08:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> also 2020-11-12T08:54:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> But then I'd also have to switch back to gcc i believe 2020-11-12T08:54:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> obligatory >running proprietary software 2020-11-12T08:54:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no 2020-11-12T08:54:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't 2020-11-12T08:54:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> just run an arch chroot with a bare minimum setup to get steam running 2020-11-12T08:54:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> or some shit 2020-11-12T08:54:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Back on normal kiss since it uses sdl2 and shit it works fine with gcompat 2020-11-12T08:54:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> but only if you have gcc I believe 2020-11-12T08:54:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> cause it links to libgcc 2020-11-12T08:55:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> but yeah a chroot could work 2020-11-12T08:55:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know how sharing a screen though works in wayland 2020-11-12T08:55:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know no vnc and shit 2020-11-12T08:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> *shrug* 2020-11-12T08:56:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> also obligatory uses steam instead of gog :P 2020-11-12T08:56:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> also if I were to ever do xorg I would use xwayland 2020-11-12T08:57:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Far too invested at this point to fully switch back 2020-11-12T08:58:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Where do you even get an arch tarball? 2020-11-12T08:58:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> make one I'd imagine 2020-11-12T08:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk 2020-11-12T08:59:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> *shrug* 2020-11-12T08:59:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't futz around with chroots 2020-11-12T08:59:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah 2020-11-12T08:59:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could also try using bedrock linux 2020-11-12T08:59:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "leviathan horror: the distro" 2020-11-12T08:59:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think thatd work since musl 2020-11-12T08:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it works 2020-11-12T08:59:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> How the beep 2020-11-12T08:59:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know __how__ 2020-11-12T08:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it does 2020-11-12T08:59:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao 2020-11-12T08:59:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> bedrock is interesting... 2020-11-12T09:00:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> never tried it though although i was tempted back when I was on gentoo musl 2020-11-12T09:01:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am craving to playthrough terraria now lmao thanks 2020-11-12T09:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're welcome 2020-11-12T09:02:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I wonder if why the mouse wasn't working before was due to libudev-zero instead of eudev 2020-11-12T09:02:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Maybe 2020-11-12T09:03:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have literally no idea why it happened since the keyboard worked :< 2020-11-12T09:07:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am trying again lol 2020-11-12T09:08:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> Maybe if I were to use alpine linux to build the flatpak instead 2020-11-12T09:11:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> I will be back in a few going to test a push that the owner of flatpak-gog made 2020-11-12T09:13:06 #kisslinux <smoke_> anyone good with kali 2020-11-12T09:13:08 #kisslinux <smoke_> or slackware 2020-11-12T09:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm pretty okay with slackware. Why? 2020-11-12T09:13:42 #kisslinux <smoke_> i was considering just abandoing slackware 2020-11-12T09:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...for kali??? 2020-11-12T09:13:56 #kisslinux <smoke_> i was going to install it on my harddrive or sd card 2020-11-12T09:14:07 #kisslinux <smoke_> yeah but so far i cant even get wifi to work on kali in vm 2020-11-12T09:14:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ... 2020-11-12T09:14:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're the kind of person who thinks installing kali to a hard drive is a good idea, you shouldn't use kali 2020-11-12T09:14:36 #kisslinux <smoke_> is slackware still good you think i dont remember if their was an issue with the internet i dont think thekr was 2020-11-12T09:14:53 #kisslinux <smoke_> well its cool to have it live 2020-11-12T09:15:00 #kisslinux <smoke_> or vm but i cant even get the wifi to work 2020-11-12T09:15:05 #kisslinux <smoke_> have any suggestions 2020-11-12T09:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> use a card with a different chipset 2020-11-12T09:15:26 #kisslinux <smoke_> i got it running on vmplayer 16 is that why maybe should i use virtual box 2020-11-12T09:38:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> No luck :( 2020-11-12T09:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Rip 2020-11-12T09:39:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Still launches and looks fine but no flipping mouse 2020-11-12T10:01:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> Well I did digging 2020-11-12T10:01:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Perhaps it is maybe since they don't build sdl2 with --enable-libudev in the flatpak runtime 2020-11-12T14:15:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> @freenode_muevoid:matrix.org: ah. sorry. just getting caught up on messages. messages are limited to 512 chars. this is the IRC limit 2020-11-12T14:30:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Ok I've got musl-cross-make installed but i think i'm not understanding something... If I'm on a 64-bit machine and I compile something using a 32-bit cross-compiler... that binary still can't run on a 64-bit machine 2020-11-12T14:34:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok i just had to point the binary to the right libc.so 2020-11-12T14:35:07 #kisslinux <soliwilos> mcpcpc[m]: It would be nice if one could optionally start kirc with either different connection timeout settings or a auto-reconnect setting, as preventative measures for kirc quitting with connection issues. Thoughts on that? :) 2020-11-12T14:42:22 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> soliwilos: auto-reconnect would be straightforward to implement. it’s one of those things that i have been meaning to add lol. 2020-11-12T14:43:03 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> would have to think about the timeout setting though. 2020-11-12T14:44:44 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Great, thank you. :) 2020-11-12T14:46:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> kirc has improved a lot from when I started trying it out. 2020-11-12T14:58:09 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> soliwilos: actually, i may end up rewriting a good portion of kirc in the near future. learned quite a bit from developing xwm. 2020-11-12T15:00:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> mcpcpc[m]: Interesting, looking forward to seeing what comes of further improvements. :) 2020-11-12T16:41:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila I got golem 0.0.5 working, took some massaging of the code prior to building to do so, I haven't ever done patching before so I'll look into that to build a kiss package 2020-11-12T16:58:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/in6F.png 2020-11-12T17:00:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> whoops https://0x0.st/in6f.png 2020-11-12T17:03:34 #kisslinux <midfavila_> >netscape navigator 2020-11-12T17:03:36 #kisslinux <midfavila_> based 2020-11-12T17:03:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just the icon it uses lol 2020-11-12T17:03:59 #kisslinux <midfavila_> Still :P 2020-11-12T17:04:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it has to-thumbnail support built in (although not a screenshot like you can get FVWM to do) 2020-11-12T17:04:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> doesn't seem to handle my mod keys very well though 2020-11-12T17:04:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> like default is Mod4Mask-q opens a terminal... it doesn't seem to see that keypress even though xev shows it fine 2020-11-12T17:19:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok that works now somehow /shrug 2020-11-12T17:28:51 #kisslinux <micr0> I wonder if kiss u should mention installed packages that were removed 2020-11-12T17:29:27 #kisslinux <micr0> i just removed four packages from my repository and it would be a shame if anyone besides me were using them 2020-11-12T17:30:02 #kisslinux <micr0> I guess someone could golf a one-liner to show all installed packages that no longer have a source repository 2020-11-12T17:33:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that actually would be nice, yes 2020-11-12T17:33:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/in6k.png 2020-11-12T17:45:12 #kisslinux <micr0> kiss-unavailable() { kiss list | cut -d' ' -f1 | xargs -I {} zsh -c "echo "{} "; kiss s {} | grep -v installed | wc -l" | grep -B1 0 | grep -v '0