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2020-10-01T00:44:50 #kisslinux <kirc> hhj hjjk bbbjkk njkkkk bhbnjj bbbjj hhhhh hjhhh hhhhh bhhhh hhhhgg hh
2020-10-01T00:45:10 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> wuh. lol. wooos.
2020-10-01T00:45:17 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> woops*
2020-10-01T00:45:38 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> soliwilos: fun fact. it appears `sic` also suffers from the same issue with multiline input. perfectly fine over ssh though.
2020-10-01T03:00:35 #kisslinux <admicos> hey all, does anyone know of a terminal email client that can do dbus notifications? if i can get rid of claws-mail that would be kinda neat
2020-10-01T03:02:13 #kisslinux <admicos> aerc seems to be able to that via execing notify-send, but the reload command is still manual
2020-10-01T04:26:57 #kisslinux <konimex> anyone can reproduce this for x264? https://termbin.com/vrwu
2020-10-01T04:42:46 #kisslinux <claudia02> konimex: I cant reproduce.
2020-10-01T04:48:33 #kisslinux <konimex> say, should ksh be 1:1 compatible with bourne shell?
2020-10-01T04:52:08 #kisslinux <konimex> because that I got that error when I used oksh as /bin/sh
2020-10-01T04:53:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-10-01T04:54:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> himmalerin_kirc: Fixed Git.
2020-10-01T04:54:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> admicos: Your Git issue should be fixed too.
2020-10-01T05:01:38 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> dylanaraps: awesome, ty!
2020-10-01T05:01:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me know if it works.
2020-10-01T05:07:59 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> dylanaraps: Builds without issue!
2020-10-01T05:08:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-10-01T05:21:51 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> Hoping for a tagged release of https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/wlsunset, looks like nice simple alternative to the craziness that is gammastep
2020-10-01T05:26:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Another wlroots only protocol :(
2020-10-01T05:27:45 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> unfortunately yeah. On the other hand basically any wayland wm you're going to get building on kiss is going to be wlroots-based
2020-10-01T05:28:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah. There's not much else out there other than GNOME/KDE/weston/wlroots based stuff
2020-10-01T05:28:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's https://github.com/michaelforney/swc also
2020-10-01T05:28:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And anything built with this
2020-10-01T05:30:59 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> oooh, the example wm for swc is dwm inspired
2020-10-01T05:31:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's also dwl
2020-10-01T05:31:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/djpohly/dwl
2020-10-01T05:32:10 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> apparently I haven't been paying enough attention since I've been pretty happy with sway. Might have to check these out
2020-10-01T05:34:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've noticed a few bugs with sway (most annoying being random unresponsive firefox UI)
2020-10-01T05:34:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Of course, this could be in Firefox or even wlroots
2020-10-01T05:34:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not sure what is causing it
2020-10-01T05:36:28 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> I used to get that issue a lot but it's not happenning anymore, no idea what the cause is
2020-10-01T05:46:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It could even be this: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/2605
2020-10-01T05:49:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Trying the patch
2020-10-01T05:55:23 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> I need to log for the night but hopefully that works for you! I'll check the logs tomorrow :p
2020-10-01T05:56:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-10-01T06:01:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah. This fixes the issue
2020-10-01T06:01:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-10-01T06:04:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Spoke too soon I guess
2020-10-01T06:04:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :(
2020-10-01T06:04:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Can still reproduce
2020-10-01T06:05:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But... Not as often
2020-10-01T06:08:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> does anyone know any good ways to take notes in vim?
2020-10-01T06:09:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'vim file'
2020-10-01T06:09:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> '- note'
2020-10-01T06:09:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> '- note2'
2020-10-01T06:09:59 #kisslinux <deltab> what do you find lacking?
2020-10-01T06:10:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or do you want some kind of note taking system?
2020-10-01T06:19:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't find anything per say lacking. But I take notes for school and perhaps was looking for something with syntax highlighting and maybe some keybinds for making listing's and checkmarks for example.
2020-10-01T06:19:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha
2020-10-01T06:20:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was gonna try to use vim-orgmode but couldn't get it to work.
2020-10-01T06:20:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You might like: https://github.com/xolox/vim-notes
2020-10-01T06:20:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hm
2020-10-01T06:20:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Seems dead though
2020-10-01T06:21:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://github.com/vimwiki/vimwiki
2020-10-01T06:22:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> vimwiki seems promising
2020-10-01T06:22:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also https://standardnotes.org/ and https://simplenote.com/
2020-10-01T06:22:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> These should have vim plugins
2020-10-01T06:23:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thanks for all the links and suggestions!
2020-10-01T06:24:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: http://todotxt.org/
2020-10-01T06:24:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I have looked at todotxt but needs bash :/
2020-10-01T06:25:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1500 lines of bash huh
2020-10-01T06:26:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> ?
2020-10-01T06:26:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> i should have said has bashisms
2020-10-01T06:27:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://taskwarrior.org/
2020-10-01T06:27:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's an endless number of todo/note taking plugins/tools lol
2020-10-01T06:27:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah lol
2020-10-01T06:28:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> i think vimwiki is the most promising
2020-10-01T06:28:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thank you!
2020-10-01T06:29:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's also pen and paper ;)
2020-10-01T06:31:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> I lose stuff too often for pen and paper lol
2020-10-01T06:32:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Even though I'm not a huge fan of rust I wonder how many components of a linux system you could switch out with rust software.
2020-10-01T06:34:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I may expirement with that idea in a chroot
2020-10-01T06:34:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well, problem arises when replacements to coreutils don't follow POSIX/whatever
2020-10-01T06:35:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-10-01T06:35:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know there's a coreutils in rust though
2020-10-01T06:35:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/uutils/coreutils
2020-10-01T06:35:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> Redoxos also has alot of unix type tools ported to rust
2020-10-01T06:35:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But it has its own issues: https://github.com/uutils/coreutils/issues/747
2020-10-01T06:36:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also depends on 180~ crates by a quick count :|
2020-10-01T06:36:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah rust has issues with executable size since they statically link by default. Like I said dont like rust :P just think it may be a cool expirment.
2020-10-01T06:39:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also does kiss work with sbase? I was expirmenting with it and it seemed to have issues.
2020-10-01T06:39:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think it was the tar implementation iirc
2020-10-01T06:43:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> sbase tar requires a patch
2020-10-01T06:43:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> sbase sed has no '-i' which is used in package build files (package manager is fine)
2020-10-01T06:44:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/blob/master/community/sbase/patches/tar-dash-remove.patch
2020-10-01T06:45:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Rationale for patch: https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/823
2020-10-01T06:46:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk
2020-10-01T06:46:40 #kisslinux <admicos> hey i think i managed to get rid of gtk+2 finally
2020-10-01T06:46:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thank you
2020-10-01T06:49:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Our sbase package addresses both of these issues.
2020-10-01T06:49:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Send logs if any other errors occur
2020-10-01T06:50:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk will do testing here in a few minutes
2020-10-01T06:55:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm going to try and write a patch for sbase sed for -i functionality
2020-10-01T06:56:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice. For now, the alternatives system can be used to workaround this
2020-10-01T06:58:16 #kisslinux <mcf> muevoid: it's fine to patch sbase sed for kiss, just keep in mind that i probably won't merge it upstream since -i was proposed and rejected from POSIX
2020-10-01T06:59:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I mainly just want it for my repo. Not too concerned about it being merged upstream. And ah yes I forgot about alternatives will do that for the time being.
2020-10-01T07:02:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Why are most digital painting programs so complicated and have so many deps :<
2020-10-01T07:02:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I cant wait for mlib to get wayland support
2020-10-01T07:03:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> azpainter is cool https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter
2020-10-01T07:04:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Wayland issue: https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter/issues/32
2020-10-01T07:04:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh
2020-10-01T07:04:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's what you're talking about
2020-10-01T07:04:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-10-01T07:05:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah lol
2020-10-01T07:12:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also openbsd httpd is really nice
2020-10-01T07:13:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> currently using openbsd for my website and i like httpd a lot
2020-10-01T07:14:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-10-01T07:14:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm using it for git.k1ss.org
2020-10-01T07:14:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Setup was finicky but I'm yet to need to touch it again
2020-10-01T07:15:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Has been working without issue for months now
2020-10-01T07:17:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> do you use stagit for git.k1ss.org?
2020-10-01T07:25:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-10-01T07:27:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Has anyone here statically linked foot?
2020-10-01T07:32:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> I haven't tried why?
2020-10-01T07:34:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you mean just the tllist and fcft deps?
2020-10-01T07:34:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Or all deps
2020-10-01T07:35:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All
2020-10-01T07:35:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have tllist and fcft (plus PGO/LTO, etc)
2020-10-01T07:36:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But I want it to be fully static
2020-10-01T07:36:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> gotcha
2020-10-01T07:36:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> No i haven't tried. I am thinking about trying to statically link as much as I can for mue-linux
2020-10-01T08:03:21 #kisslinux <bsl> konimex, oclobj.h is generated. What od are you using? # kiss a | grep od
2020-10-01T08:04:49 #kisslinux <konimex> bsl: standard busybox od
2020-10-01T08:05:18 #kisslinux <konimex> I have a feeling it's because of my current shell (ksh) because changing it to dash made the build work
2020-10-01T08:05:51 #kisslinux <konimex> that's why I asked if ksh should be POSIX-compliant or 1:1 with bourne shell
2020-10-01T08:07:20 #kisslinux <bsl> i don't think that is the issue, kiss uses only sh
2020-10-01T08:07:44 #kisslinux <bsl> try kiss b coreutils && kiss i coreutils && kiss a coreutils /usr/bin/od
2020-10-01T08:09:22 #kisslinux <konimex> by sh it's almquist shell (busybox)
2020-10-01T08:10:49 #kisslinux <konimex> ./tools/cltostr.sh has bashism, perhaps?
2020-10-01T08:11:17 #kisslinux <konimex> since running it with ksh generates this error: ./tools/cltostr.sh[21]: syntax error: `(' unexpected (from my termbin)
2020-10-01T08:12:20 #kisslinux <bsl> konimex, could be
2020-10-01T08:13:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't see any bashisms in that script
2020-10-01T08:13:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have static foot!
2020-10-01T08:15:46 #kisslinux <konimex> bsl: nope, won't budge with GNU od
2020-10-01T08:15:51 #kisslinux <konimex> https://termbin.com/ve16
2020-10-01T08:15:58 #kisslinux <konimex> shell still on oksh
2020-10-01T08:19:10 #kisslinux <konimex> so yeah, I think this is a shell problem
2020-10-01T08:23:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-10-01T09:06:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> o/
2020-10-01T09:07:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm thinking about trying out a different wayland compositor but not sure which one I should try. Hikari seems interesting but I'm too lazy to package bmake lol
2020-10-01T09:08:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can steal it from wyverkiss actually
2020-10-01T09:09:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gentoo have a patch to use gmake
2020-10-01T09:10:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can find it here: https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/15531
2020-10-01T09:10:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> May need updating (or may be an updated version available somewhere)
2020-10-01T09:11:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oh nice
2020-10-01T09:11:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Heh
2020-10-01T09:11:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 20 hours ago
2020-10-01T09:11:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/17717
2020-10-01T09:11:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh
2020-10-01T09:12:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They dropped the patch
2020-10-01T09:13:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'll mess with it
2020-10-01T09:14:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm very close to static sway
2020-10-01T09:14:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oooo nice
2020-10-01T09:14:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you prefer static linking over dynamic?
2020-10-01T09:14:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Depends
2020-10-01T09:15:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I mess around on my live system and break things often
2020-10-01T09:15:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Statically linking my terminal, etc makes this less painful
2020-10-01T09:16:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think I prefer static most of the time
2020-10-01T09:16:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's gonna be something I am working on this weekend
2020-10-01T09:19:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oof
2020-10-01T09:19:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> last thing to fix is mesa
2020-10-01T09:19:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> also libinput
2020-10-01T09:28:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> So much depends on glib
2020-10-01T09:32:07 #kisslinux <mcf> unfortunately, opengl can't be statically linked. the whole driver model depends on dynamic linking
2020-10-01T09:32:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup...
2020-10-01T09:38:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I might try to go without a web browser
2020-10-01T09:38:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can think of a few issues that I will run into and not sure how to get around...
2020-10-01T09:39:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> Mainly the few websites that I absolutely need a modern web browser for. Mainly vultr and namecheap I can think of
2020-10-01T10:08:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> hmmm netsurf-fb won't compile for me
2020-10-01T10:08:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> Wonder if it can be used on wayland
2020-10-01T10:12:14 #kisslinux <mcf> muevoid: i'm quite happy with the wayland netsurf frontend i wrote for oasis (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wiki/oasislinux/oasis/oasis.png). if you're up for it, you could try to integrate it with the rest of the netsurf buildsystem
2020-10-01T10:13:09 #kisslinux <mcf> netsurf-fb does work on wayland, but iirc there were some issues with the framebuffer abstraction that prompted me to just write a native wayland frontend
2020-10-01T10:13:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Oooo
2020-10-01T10:14:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> can i find your frontend anywhere?
2020-10-01T10:15:01 #kisslinux <mcf> yeah, it's at https://github.com/oasislinux/netsurf/tree/oasis/frontends/tiny
2020-10-01T10:15:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> cool do you just build with frontend=tiny instead then?
2020-10-01T10:16:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> TARGET=tiny *
2020-10-01T10:17:05 #kisslinux <mcf> ideally that's how you would do it, but i don't use the upstream buildsystems in oasis, so you'd have to write frontends/tiny/Makefile yourself
2020-10-01T10:17:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah gotcha
2020-10-01T10:17:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> How do you build them?
2020-10-01T10:18:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> oasis looks really cool
2020-10-01T10:19:05 #kisslinux <mcf> lua scripts that generate ninja files (see https://github.com/oasislinux/oasis/blob/master/pkg/nasm/gen.lua for an example)
2020-10-01T10:19:08 #kisslinux <mcf> thanks
2020-10-01T10:19:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm a little confused about the build system do you have your own irc channel I could ask some questions on?
2020-10-01T10:20:28 #kisslinux <mcf> yeah, #oasislinux
2020-10-01T10:23:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk I joined it thanks!
2020-10-01T11:22:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Huh netsurf is segfaulting with this build as well just like with the community one. I think it may be due to how my filesystem is setup. No module named
2020-10-01T11:22:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> 'encodings'
2020-10-01T11:31:53 #kisslinux <dan[m]11> sounds like youre missing. a kernel flag
2020-10-01T11:37:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> What do you mean?
2020-10-01T11:40:22 #kisslinux <dan[m]11> looks like its trying to load a kernel module no?
2020-10-01T11:44:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> No python module :P
2020-10-01T11:45:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Not sure what the issue is
2020-10-01T11:45:25 #kisslinux <dan[m]11> oh right
2020-10-01T11:45:28 #kisslinux <dan[m]11> pip install?
2020-10-01T11:46:03 #kisslinux <dan[m]11> * pip install encodings
2020-10-01T11:46:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> In /lib/python3.8/ there is an encoding folder so Im thinking it is probably just because of how my filesystem is setup even though I have a symlink from /usr to /
2020-10-01T11:46:51 #kisslinux <dan[m]11> oh lol tf
2020-10-01T11:47:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have my filesystem set up like sta.li for the most part lmao
2020-10-01T12:09:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> I fixed it but now it has another segfault :<
2020-10-01T12:09:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> this time unrelated though
2020-10-01T12:35:01 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> soliwilos: update the kirc issue for multiline input. after digging in a bit more, this appears to be terminal emulator specific. reported upstream to st, ate and foot. https://github.com/mcpcpc/kirc/issues/39
2020-10-01T12:35:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> mcpcpc[m] are you on wayland?
2020-10-01T12:35:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> bsl, got your ath10k issue fixed?
2020-10-01T12:36:16 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: not yet :). but all this talk has me tempted to give it a shot.
2020-10-01T12:36:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol, trying to find someone on wayland to test netsurf-fb
2020-10-01T12:38:29 #kisslinux <bsl> sh4rm4^bnc, thanks for asking...well, I reinstalled the whole system, compiled kernel 5.4.45 since linux-headers are of that version and et voila, finds the firmware :)
2020-10-01T12:38:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Eh I'm tired i've been up all night and it's 740 here now gonna try to sleep for a little bit and deal with it later
2020-10-01T12:38:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> l8r o/
2020-10-01T12:39:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yay, an LTS kernel
2020-10-01T12:40:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i still use 4.14
2020-10-01T13:09:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> konimex: re x264; I also had the same issue also with ksh as sh (:
2020-10-01T13:19:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also uutils is a literal b to package; I've been trying to wrangle up all the sources still lmao. It sucks that some features like cp aren't finished; uutils cp won't work with kiss
2020-10-01T13:27:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dafuq? in github "Explore repositories": kisslinux/kiss eudaldgr/kiss-garbage kisslinux/repo
2020-10-01T13:27:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's cause i clicked on 3 kisslinux repos 2 weeks ago
2020-10-01T13:28:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> AI gone crazy
2020-10-01T13:29:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that AI sucks anyway, it keeps recommending me the same stuff over and over
2020-10-01T13:29:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's as if there were only 20 interesting repos on GH
2020-10-01T15:41:40 #kisslinux <merakor> That's advertising in a nutshell
2020-10-01T17:35:26 #kisslinux <admicos> since march all github "recommendeds" to me are either people's kiss repos or other "simple" projects
2020-10-01T17:36:02 #kisslinux <admicos> also a bunch of vim plugins for some reason
2020-10-01T19:55:45 #kisslinux <mcf> can anyone tell me if kiss installs a sys/tree.h header, and if so, could you paste it somewhere?
2020-10-01T19:59:28 #kisslinux <mcf> ah, nevermind. i think i found it: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/master/core/musl/files/tree.h
2020-10-01T20:52:36 #kisslinux <E5ten> mcf: what's sys/tree.h for?
2020-10-01T20:54:54 #kisslinux <mcf> i think it's basically like sys/queue.h, but for binary trees
2020-10-01T21:05:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> I see
2020-10-01T21:08:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hmm, i've never needed that header