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2020-09-12T00:05:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does gtk have a fial dialog compiled with it in KISS?
2020-09-12T00:22:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nevermind figured out it is zenity but I did not need it for the program
2020-09-12T01:36:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> himmalerin are you the same person who maintains kiss-wayland?
2020-09-12T01:36:59 #kisslinux <himmalerin> muevoid: yep!
2020-09-12T01:37:24 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I was planning on adding that post-install today but I guess not :p
2020-09-12T01:39:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-09-12T01:39:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> I created a new issue about some ideas :P
2020-09-12T02:59:53 #kisslinux <handyw> this channel discuss the kiss
2020-09-12T03:07:53 #kisslinux <uhren> ok
2020-09-12T03:12:20 #kisslinux <handyw> what is stupid? what program did use the stupid?
2020-09-12T03:24:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> what do you mean handyw?
2020-09-12T03:26:56 #kisslinux <handyw> stupid mean what? simple is really understand
2020-09-12T03:27:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean.
2020-09-12T03:27:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> What is stupid refering to?
2020-09-12T03:31:42 #kisslinux <handyw> keep it simple stupid, the stupid mean what
2020-09-12T03:32:21 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> https://k1ss.org/faq
2020-09-12T03:32:26 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> in the faq
2020-09-12T03:33:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> if you are running kiss you can also do kiss help faq
2020-09-12T03:34:41 #kisslinux <handyw> the faq
2020-09-12T03:34:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Section 2
2020-09-12T03:35:03 #kisslinux <handyw> said i can't understand
2020-09-12T03:37:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> basically, keep things a simple as possible (but not necessarily simpler).  that way any average person can repair it or maintain it.
2020-09-12T03:37:42 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> thats’s my take on it at least.
2020-09-12T03:37:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> To quote "Hence, the "stupid" refers to the relationship between the way things break and the sophistication available to repair them." or as I understand it the process itself must be simple for things to not break. However I may not be right with this take.
2020-09-12T03:38:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also like your take on it mcpcpc[m]
2020-09-12T03:56:03 #kisslinux <micr0> i like stupid compared to surprising. that is, when you ask a question 'how does this work' or 'why is this broken', the answer doesn't feel insane. in complicated systems, you often can't even ask the question 'why is this broken' because there are so many layers and hidden decisions -.-
2020-09-12T03:56:35 #kisslinux <micr0> of course, there are some big downsides to this kind of simplicity, but the upsides are nice.
2020-09-12T03:57:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> I find the upsides to heavily outway the downsides :P
2020-09-12T03:57:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also webkit2gtk browsers with the wpe backend on wayland are nice. It feels a lot faster then webkit2gtk usually does
2020-09-12T04:04:36 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I think of simple stupid as an opposite from simple clever. Meaning that the requirements should be dumbed down enough that the software isn't clever.
2020-09-12T04:11:50 #kisslinux <himmalerin> muevoid: Replied to both of your recent issues
2020-09-12T04:21:10 #kisslinux <uhrenmacher> q
2020-09-12T04:33:00 #kisslinux <icyphox> Dylan, was TMIK#5 intentionally short?
2020-09-12T06:07:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> dylanaraps will you ever consider wayland in the official repos or the community repo?
2020-09-12T06:08:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1Xorg will remain the default for the foreseeable future.
2020-09-12T06:08:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's fair enough
2020-09-12T06:08:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It seems as though we'll be forced over to Wayland at some point anyway.
2020-09-12T06:09:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Why? Doesn't openbsd have a fork of xorg and it got a linux port?
2020-09-12T06:09:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Xenocara is not a port of Xorg.
2020-09-12T06:09:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have not done a ton of research into it
2020-09-12T06:09:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It just has OpenBSD code and a monolithic build system.
2020-09-12T06:09:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah
2020-09-12T06:09:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1662496#c2
2020-09-12T06:09:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > IMHO current behavior is useful and makes transition from XWayland to Wayland easier. Standalone X11 is legacy.
2020-09-12T06:10:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Maintenance-Mode-Quickly
2020-09-12T06:10:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Red Hat's Christian Schaller says it's their belief that X.Org will soon be going into "maintenance mode" in favor of Wayland.
2020-09-12T06:10:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I personally like wayland more :P
2020-09-12T06:11:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't like where most of the linux desktop is heading
2020-09-12T06:11:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Neither do I
2020-09-12T06:11:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> But wayland is one piece I enjoy
2020-09-12T06:12:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> The new use flag for webkit2gtk worries me (USE_SYSTEMD).
2020-09-12T06:12:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A lot of software contains something like that.
2020-09-12T06:12:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that's true. Just not sure why a browser would need anything from systemd *shrug*
2020-09-12T06:14:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Part of my issue with Wayland is the dependency on udev/logind though libudev-zero and libseat (or just suid) alleviate it.
2020-09-12T06:15:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that was my main issue before.
2020-09-12T06:15:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have not tried libudev-zero yet I should soon.
2020-09-12T06:15:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I find it sad that this page must exist: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Running-Sway-without-systemd
2020-09-12T06:15:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mean is it that much better on x though? It seems like wlroots is getting closer to x when it comes to minimalistic qualities.
2020-09-12T06:16:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well, Sway will soon run non-root just like our Xorg which is great.
2020-09-12T06:16:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/2393
2020-09-12T06:16:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It was merged actually.
2020-09-12T06:17:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah it's in master.
2020-09-12T06:17:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have it on my system but I am using libseat.
2020-09-12T06:17:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I believe that would also allow any wlroots based compositor run without logind as well.
2020-09-12T06:18:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-09-12T06:18:03 #kisslinux <mcf> oh, nice. i didn't realize that you can actually drop master without root on linux 5.8
2020-09-12T06:18:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sway has no seatd code so it all lives in wlroots
2020-09-12T06:18:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mcf: Yeah, it's neat!
2020-09-12T06:18:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> For the wayland section on the wiki what were you planning on putting there. I may possibly write some things up for it if you have ideas?
2020-09-12T06:19:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> muevoid: It might be worth doing a poll to see how much Wayland / Xorg interest there is.
2020-09-12T06:19:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I agree. Maybe a mix between here and on reddit?
2020-09-12T06:20:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We could also simply wait until our hand is forced in one way or another.
2020-09-12T06:20:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't want a hybrid Wayland/Xorg or Xwayland
2020-09-12T06:21:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> We could for now just have documentation in the wiki for how to use Wayland if desired by using third party repos.
2020-09-12T06:21:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> One of the "upsides" we have is that we don't need to worry about the NVIDIA issue as the proprietary drivers don't run under musl. lol
2020-09-12T06:21:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol
2020-09-12T06:22:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> I dislike nvidia
2020-09-12T06:23:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's been a while since I've tried Wayland.
2020-09-12T06:23:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's gotten much better since last time I tried it.
2020-09-12T06:23:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> and I don't rely on too many x applications so I am able to run pure wayland.
2020-09-12T06:24:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> I only had to drop one program which was azpainter.
2020-09-12T06:24:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's just since I don't want to pull in more x dependencies for one program. I am now using grafx2 for all my drawing.
2020-09-12T06:24:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> But the main azpainter dev is working on a wayland backend for the next major version.
2020-09-12T06:26:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I love grafx2
2020-09-12T06:26:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> azpainter is really nice as well
2020-09-12T06:26:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb trying wayland ;)
2020-09-12T06:26:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> It took me a while to get used to grafx2 but now it is my favorite art program with azpainter at a close second.
2020-09-12T06:26:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> What compositor sway?
2020-09-12T06:34:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> or hikari?
2020-09-12T06:34:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> ls
2020-09-12T06:35:38 #kisslinux <mcf> yup, after `chgrp input /bin/swc-launch && chmod u-s,g+s /bin/swc-launch` everything still works :)
2020-09-12T06:38:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm currently runnint sway
2020-09-12T06:39:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm interested in hikari but have yet to try it.
2020-09-12T06:39:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What terminal emulator are you using?
2020-09-12T06:39:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am using foot
2020-09-12T06:39:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is in kiss-wayland repo
2020-09-12T06:39:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is quite fast and seems reasonably minimal
2020-09-12T06:39:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will try it. I'm using wayst under wayland and it's quite slow.
2020-09-12T06:39:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> If you use the build from KISS-me by dilyn it can be even faster
2020-09-12T06:39:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Allacritty is good too if you don't mind rust
2020-09-12T06:39:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't have a browser atm :P
2020-09-12T06:40:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll package foot
2020-09-12T06:40:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am using vimb with wpe built in for hardware accel
2020-09-12T06:40:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-09-12T06:40:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm glad that options exist :P
2020-09-12T06:40:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just stole the old builds from the archived mywayland repo and upgraded them :P
2020-09-12T06:41:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Firefox was nice with vaapi
2020-09-12T06:42:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've been working on a patch to make X11 VAAPI work without Wayland in Firefox
2020-09-12T06:42:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Really? That seems like it would be quite the task.
2020-09-12T06:42:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-09-12T06:42:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's larger than I thought it'd be.
2020-09-12T06:42:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm still dealing with compilation issues
2020-09-12T06:43:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Foot is a lot better than wayst
2020-09-12T06:43:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-09-12T06:43:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Np
2020-09-12T06:43:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just need to figure out key repeat rate under sway
2020-09-12T06:44:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> that is one thing that sucks about sway is libinput is bad
2020-09-12T06:44:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> Not bad
2020-09-12T06:44:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS also uses libinput under Xorg
2020-09-12T06:44:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> just can be sucky customization wise
2020-09-12T06:44:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All the other input backends are deprecated
2020-09-12T06:44:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah but you had more configuration options iirc in xorg. I remember being able to use Xinput unless I was doing something wrong
2020-09-12T06:45:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-09-12T06:45:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think for key repeat rate in your sway config add: input <identifier for keyboard> repeat_rate <value>
2020-09-12T06:46:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> muevoid: I also have sway working entirely rootless.
2020-09-12T06:47:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Same as our Xorg.
2020-09-12T06:47:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> chown :input /usr/bin/sway
2020-09-12T06:47:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> chmod g+s /usr/bin/sway
2020-09-12T06:47:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just setgid input.
2020-09-12T06:47:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> User in video group.
2020-09-12T06:47:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> I may try that for the moment I am okay with seatd.
2020-09-12T06:48:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Repeat rate seems to be: input <identifier> repeat_rate <n>
2020-09-12T06:48:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> imv is my favorite image viewer i've found for wayland.
2020-09-12T06:48:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just use mpv for everything
2020-09-12T06:49:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> can mpv view images?
2020-09-12T06:49:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-09-12T06:49:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I set: image-display-duration=inf
2020-09-12T06:49:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: loop-playlist=inf
2020-09-12T06:50:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Best part is the single config and identical hotkeys across videos, music and images.
2020-09-12T06:50:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have also seen mvi which is a plugin for mpv that makes it a more fleshed out image viewer.
2020-09-12T06:50:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (I use it as a music player also)
2020-09-12T06:50:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Same
2020-09-12T06:50:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm going to switch to mpv now
2020-09-12T06:50:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb going back to sway
2020-09-12T06:52:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm assuming you are using latest master for sway?
2020-09-12T06:52:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> wlroots*
2020-09-12T06:58:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Keyboard is setup how I like it now.
2020-09-12T06:58:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's good
2020-09-12T06:58:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have gammastep packaged for wayland now as well
2020-09-12T06:59:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Moving windows around still feels slower than Xorg though
2020-09-12T06:59:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> That suprises me. To me it feels a lot snappier
2020-09-12T07:03:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mpv works fine
2020-09-12T07:04:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> resizing floating windows is quite buggy under sway
2020-09-12T07:04:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The frame ends up a different size to the actual window
2020-09-12T07:05:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> What are you testing that with?
2020-09-12T07:05:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Happens with wayst when the terminal is resized to a tiny size.
2020-09-12T07:05:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Happens with mpv when it is set to preserve aspect ratio.
2020-09-12T07:05:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Under any size with mpv
2020-09-12T07:05:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd send a scrot but I'm not setup for that yet. :P
2020-09-12T07:05:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I see that with my terminal as well I'm trying mpv as well
2020-09-12T07:05:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> grim is quite nice
2020-09-12T07:06:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-09-12T07:06:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Preserving aspect ratio works fine for me
2020-09-12T07:07:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> In fact it even works when resizing the smallest the window will go
2020-09-12T07:07:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm using master for sway and wlroots fwiw
2020-09-12T07:07:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am aswell
2020-09-12T07:08:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If Firefox wayland runs under Xorg without the wayland libraries needing to be present, I can make our -bin packages support it ootb.
2020-09-12T07:12:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hm
2020-09-12T07:12:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think this is possible as it'd require gtk/mesa with wayland support too.
2020-09-12T07:13:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I don't think it would be possible to have a firefox-bin that works on both without needing the other libraries.
2020-09-12T07:15:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I think it's best we wait until our hand is forced.
2020-09-12T07:16:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's fair
2020-09-12T07:16:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gives all the wayland stuff more time to mature as well.
2020-09-12T07:16:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would still like to write some info for the wiki but not sure what topics I would write about.
2020-09-12T07:16:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The #1 thing I'd like to avoid is maintaining both at the same time.
2020-09-12T07:17:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1I think we can make mesa/firefox/whatever have better conditional support for wayland so these don't need to be patched.
2020-09-12T07:18:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not sure what you mean.
2020-09-12T07:18:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The mesa package could detect that wayland is available and enable support for it.
2020-09-12T07:18:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All you'd need to do is: 'kiss i wayland wayland-protocols' and 'kiss b mesa'
2020-09-12T07:18:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Like the community build does for openjpeg2 and gst-plugins-base
2020-09-12T07:18:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-09-12T07:19:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Then they don't need to be forked.
2020-09-12T07:19:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Change doesn't affect non-wayland users at all.
2020-09-12T07:19:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> If this happened would you accept wayland packages into community?
2020-09-12T07:20:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I would not, no
2020-09-12T07:20:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> Just out of curosity any reason not to?
2020-09-12T07:21:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-09-12T07:21:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Community packages should all support the default display server
2020-09-12T07:21:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We cannot have some packages depending on Wayland and some on Xorg
2020-09-12T07:21:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> couldn't you have a seperate folder for wayland specific things?
2020-09-12T07:21:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-09-12T07:22:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But now we're maintaining two repositories
2020-09-12T07:22:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which is why I think it's better to wait
2020-09-12T07:22:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's fair
2020-09-12T07:23:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Making mesa and firefox support wayland as stated earlier is unobtrusive and a step in this direction however.
2020-09-12T07:23:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'd make user repositories for wayland smaller as well.
2020-09-12T07:23:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> I may make an alternative root for kiss and maintain all the packages myself for wayland :P. Cause i've been looking for an excuse to do more for KISS with something I like.
2020-09-12T07:23:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This repository exists: https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-wayland
2020-09-12T07:23:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You've probably seen it though
2020-09-12T07:23:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes, I have a couple issues on there and a pr
2020-09-12T07:24:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox needs --no-remote?
2020-09-12T07:24:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes
2020-09-12T07:24:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm personally not sure why
2020-09-12T07:25:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> It segfaults without it
2020-09-12T07:25:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1555308
2020-09-12T07:26:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Yes, it's related to profile name which is used by DBUS to identify Firefox instance on Wayland. I expect the new profile changes broke it.
2020-09-12T07:26:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1551664
2020-09-12T07:27:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you still accept screenshots for the website. If so where can I send one?
2020-09-12T07:28:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dylan⊙ko
2020-09-12T08:14:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oops
2020-09-12T08:15:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Seems like my email got garbled when I sent it from wayland session?
2020-09-12T08:15:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> muevoid: dylan⊙ko
2020-09-12T08:15:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hm. Shows in the logs like this: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200912#c5074902
2020-09-12T08:16:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> muevoid: https://k1ss.org/contact
2020-09-12T08:27:44 #kisslinux <merakor> Globbot garbles mail addresses
2020-09-12T08:27:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Your mail looks just fine
2020-09-12T08:27:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-09-12T08:28:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Never noticed this
2020-09-12T08:28:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-09-12T08:29:02 #kisslinux <merakor> It is to protect from bots that reads the logs to find emails
2020-09-12T08:29:07 #kisslinux <merakor> Nice feature
2020-09-12T08:33:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Right
2020-09-12T08:33:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've had good success with dylan<pre>@</pre>k1ss.org
2020-09-12T08:34:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The current website doesn't use this method though.
2020-09-12T08:34:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It actually just has the email as-is.
2020-09-12T08:34:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Spam is mostly just phishing attempts.
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2020-09-12T08:35:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Use the button below to continue with same password
2020-09-12T08:35:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> >  k1ss.org Support <sales⊙dc>
2020-09-12T08:35:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-09-12T08:36:04 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> My issue with alacritty is that it requires a more recent GPU support which I don't have easily accessible. I haven't tried to fix it yet though.
2020-09-12T08:37:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You could try foot and/or wayst
2020-09-12T08:40:09 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I've tried st previously, and I think I might have been missing colors or something. I've never heard of foot, so it's on my TODO list of things to check out.
2020-09-12T08:41:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah, talking about Xorg?
2020-09-12T08:41:39 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Presently on Xorg, but I also have a wayland install. You may find my IRC setup interesting. It's a bunch of kakoune clients hooked into the output of ii.
2020-09-12T08:42:45 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Oh. I get windows and tabs for free with i3 obviously.
2020-09-12T08:48:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-09-12T08:52:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm working on new output for KISS. This is the format I'm currently testing out: https://termbin.com/byfsl
2020-09-12T11:56:35 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Hmm. Is there a way to capture oom-kill things when using kiss build? I've been scratching my head a few times when it turned out it was an out-of-memory thing and not a dependency issue.
2020-09-12T12:42:48 #kisslinux <illiliti> bjoernfan1: use SysRq key to recover from oom state
2020-09-12T12:43:04 #kisslinux <illiliti> use can also use userspace helpers like earlyoom to handle oom more gracefully
2020-09-12T12:46:39 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Oh, cool. I'll check that out. Thanks. :)
2020-09-12T13:17:57 #kisslinux <nerditup> Do you guys use full disk encryption? Would this be setup as part of the prereq: "NOTE: Disks should be setup and fully mounted to /mnt."?
2020-09-12T13:25:50 #kisslinux <illiliti> yep. yes, basically
2020-09-12T13:28:19 #kisslinux <illiliti> nothing stops you to use another disk layout and mounpoint. it's just defaults
2020-09-12T13:32:17 #kisslinux <nerditup> Anyone have a good guide I can follow to do a KISS full disk encryption setup? Preferably using efistub
2020-09-12T13:37:05 #kisslinux <illiliti> nope. i'll probably write basic guide how to do it
2020-09-12T13:37:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> maybe after tinyramfs release ...
2020-09-12T17:54:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> interesting https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/08/14/3
2020-09-12T18:05:45 #kisslinux <mps> yes, we are fighting with this on alpine for more than 3 weeks
2020-09-12T18:19:36 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> nerditup: Uhm, yeah. I've got that working, full disk encryption. Not sure what efistub is though, so I'm probably not using that. I should have some notes somewhere around here.
2020-09-12T18:22:27 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Heh, all the notes I found now is that I was missing algif_skcipher in the kernel, didn't write down what issue that caused though.
2020-09-12T18:25:12 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Hey, alpine. I just started that for the first time. I want to set up sourcehut, and when that environment is up I can take on some new things using that. Maybe set up a build job that installs kiss with full disk encryption in a VM?
2020-09-12T18:37:38 #kisslinux <mps> bjoernfan1: I can't help about this. this is question for someone who have experience with setting disk encryption
2020-09-12T19:51:45 #kisslinux <dan[m]1> does anyone have any idea what the default tty font is? i want my terminal to look the same but cant find the font
2020-09-12T20:23:38 #kisslinux <dan[m]1> its this font at size 15 for anyone interested
2020-09-12T20:23:40 #kisslinux <dan[m]1> https://www.dafont.com/perfect-dos-vga-437.font
2020-09-12T20:30:52 #kisslinux <perish> Hello!
2020-09-12T20:32:07 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> "mps" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_mps:matrix.org) Oh, nah, I'm just thinking out loud of what I think I'm going to try to do. :)
2020-09-12T20:33:30 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Hello, "perish" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_perish:matrix.org)
2020-09-12T20:35:09 #kisslinux <perish> Oh, do we have someone bridging?
2020-09-12T20:35:15 #kisslinux <perish> That looks funky
2020-09-12T20:36:05 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> "nerditup" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_nerditup:matrix.org) If you more or less follow arch or Gentoo instructions for full disk encryption you're almost there, then if you have issues with KISS specific stuff I can try to help out when you get there
2020-09-12T20:36:57 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> "perish" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_perish:matrix.org) I should probably check the irc logs to see what bridging looks like from your end.. heh.
2020-09-12T20:37:21 #kisslinux <perish> http://0x0.st/iIAH.png
2020-09-12T20:37:24 #kisslinux <perish> Like so
2020-09-12T20:37:28 #kisslinux <perish> In birch
2020-09-12T20:37:51 #kisslinux <perish> I wonder what client you're using
2020-09-12T20:38:00 #kisslinux <perish> If you are on KISS
2020-09-12T20:38:10 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Wow that looks awful.
2020-09-12T20:38:23 #kisslinux <perish> Quite
2020-09-12T20:38:41 #kisslinux <perish> I suppose some other clients may have technology regarding it?
2020-09-12T20:39:11 #kisslinux <perish> But I use birch, as it's the only one with a source that I can begin to understand :<
2020-09-12T20:39:16 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Nah, on my phone right now, using the matrix client Element (used to be called Riot). At my workstation I use the web interface, guess it's called element-web now.
2020-09-12T20:39:22 #kisslinux <perish> Ah
2020-09-12T20:39:44 #kisslinux <perish> Shame they only have electron and rust clients
2020-09-12T20:39:55 #kisslinux <perish> And the rust client is a full GNOME app
2020-09-12T20:40:21 #kisslinux <johnas> I'm not a huge fan of the matrix protocol :P
2020-09-12T20:41:28 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Not going to disagree with either of you. Works very well from a user perspective, and setting up my own homeserver hasn't been hard.
2020-09-12T20:41:59 #kisslinux <bjoernfan1> Now I'm going to dive into my book, ttyl!
2020-09-12T20:42:01 #kisslinux <johnas> I understand why it exist. I think it's good for what it is.
2020-09-12T20:42:04 #kisslinux <perish> I've been looking into moving away from my primary chat platform, Discord
2020-09-12T20:42:17 #kisslinux <perish> And it seems most are... annoying to use
2020-09-12T20:42:19 #kisslinux <johnas> Yeah matrix is a great discord alternative.
2020-09-12T20:42:21 #kisslinux <johnas> Imo
2020-09-12T20:42:45 #kisslinux <perish> Matrix has the issue of having less clients than a proprietary service
2020-09-12T20:42:48 #kisslinux <perish> :^)
2020-09-12T20:43:20 #kisslinux <johnas> Fair
2020-09-12T20:43:34 #kisslinux <perish> cchat-gtk (w/ cchat-discord), gtkcord3, cordless, ripcord, ircdiscord, 8cord are the ones I know of
2020-09-12T20:44:00 #kisslinux <perish> Oh, and pidgin; but that also has a matrix interface
2020-09-12T20:44:21 #kisslinux <johnas> There are a few terminal ones as well that look nice.
2020-09-12T20:44:31 #kisslinux <perish> I think I got all of those
2020-09-12T20:44:34 #kisslinux <johnas> There is one in go I don't remember the name but it looked nice.
2020-09-12T20:44:42 #kisslinux <perish> Diamondburned?
2020-09-12T20:44:52 #kisslinux <perish> The author of it, that is
2020-09-12T20:44:56 #kisslinux <perish> I think that one is 8cord
2020-09-12T20:45:01 #kisslinux <johnas> https://github.com/tulir/gomuks
2020-09-12T20:45:04 #kisslinux <perish> Oh!
2020-09-12T20:45:09 #kisslinux <perish> Another to add to the list
2020-09-12T20:45:20 #kisslinux <perish> Hm...
2020-09-12T20:45:26 #kisslinux <perish> Which SSL to use?
2020-09-12T20:45:34 #kisslinux <perish> Is cem around?
2020-09-12T20:45:36 #kisslinux <johnas> I'm cnsidering trying to package it but haven't tried yet.
2020-09-12T20:47:12 #kisslinux <perish> I'll stick to libre for now
2020-09-12T20:49:53 #kisslinux <johnas> What is the default matrix homeserver? I forget
2020-09-12T20:50:10 #kisslinux <perish> The matrix.org one, iirc
2020-09-12T20:50:39 #kisslinux <johnas> it seems to work
2020-09-12T20:50:40 #kisslinux <johnas> gomuks
2020-09-12T20:50:43 #kisslinux <johnas> on kiss with libressl
2020-09-12T20:52:12 #kisslinux <perish> Nice!
2020-09-12T20:52:32 #kisslinux <johnas> I have to package libolm however for encryption support.
2020-09-12T20:52:38 #kisslinux <perish> I do think that'd be a good package to have in community
2020-09-12T20:52:55 #kisslinux <perish> As we allow clients to proprietary software in there(see: ncspot)
2020-09-12T20:53:09 #kisslinux <johnas> Yeah, I will most likely make a pull request after I test it more.
2020-09-12T20:56:06 #kisslinux <johnas> It works wonderfully since I do use matrix for direct messaging.
2020-09-12T20:56:21 #kisslinux <johnas> I don't know why I didn't package it sooner *shrug*
2020-09-12T21:51:34 #kisslinux <admicos> quick q: did anyone package btrfs-progs? I cant seem to find it on the main repos or community
2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux <perish> ./usr/bin/awk
2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux <perish> ./usr/bin/banner
2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux <perish> ./usr/bin/basename
2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux <perish> ./usr/bin/bc
2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux <perish> ./usr/bin/dc
2020-09-12T21:57:12 #kisslinux <eris> Well that was embarssing.Well that was embarrsing
2020-09-12T21:57:15 #kisslinux <eris> Wrong clipboard
2020-09-12T21:57:19 #kisslinux <eris> http://0x0.st/iIAI.png
2020-09-12T21:57:26 #kisslinux <eris> Yes, btrfs is packaged
2020-09-12T21:58:56 #kisslinux <admicos> OH! i forgot the extra /community when adding it into my path
2020-09-12T21:59:04 #kisslinux <periish> Hahaha
2020-09-12T21:59:10 #kisslinux <periish> We all make that mistake at some point :p
2020-09-12T21:59:23 #kisslinux <admicos> its been what, two months since I last touched kiss
2020-09-12T21:59:50 #kisslinux <periish> Oh boy, time to dive into baseutil's build system
2020-09-12T22:00:10 #kisslinux <admicos> and now I am going full time with kiss on my main system
2020-09-12T22:03:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think our webkit2gtk build has some serious issues....
2020-09-12T22:03:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I may be wrong though
2020-09-12T22:05:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was testing our webkit2gtk build and the user agent for all of browsers showed that the backend is Safari 11. Where as most up to date builds of webkit2gtk on major distributions show Safari13. I know we are on the latest webkit2gtk so i'm not sure why this is happening. But if the user agent is right that could have some serious security issues.
2020-09-12T22:07:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think this is what causes our webkit2gtk have issues with some sites like gitlab
2020-09-12T22:16:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> is cem keylan around?
2020-09-12T22:16:50 #kisslinux <claudia02> muevoid: I think so too. I have recently tested webkit on openbsd and ubuntu, and the browsers there had much better compatabilty. Gitlab and even google login(yt) worked.
2020-09-12T22:17:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I confirmed it
2020-09-12T22:17:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> All of the browsers in community the user agent string has Safari 11 which has serious security vulrneabilities
2020-09-12T22:17:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> The thing is our webkit2gtk version is the latest but it appears as if it using an outdated version of webkit
2020-09-12T22:18:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> In comparison most of the other distros I tested are two versions ahead with Safari 13 as the backend
2020-09-12T22:18:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would recommend till this is figured out to stop using webkit2gtk at least I am
2020-09-12T22:21:53 #kisslinux <claudia02> I mean you can change the user aget, but I had succes with that
2020-09-12T22:24:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think that is the issue. I think for some reason that it is building against an older version of webkit. However I will test setting the user agent.
2020-09-12T22:52:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am beyond confused
2020-09-12T22:53:41 #kisslinux <claudia02> :D
2020-09-12T22:54:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> i would like to get webkit2gtk to be viable on KISS. But I am not sure what is messing with our build...
2020-09-12T23:03:59 #kisslinux <periish> what does the [m] mean?
2020-09-12T23:05:23 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> periish: matrix.org server
2020-09-12T23:05:31 #kisslinux <periish> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2020-09-12T23:24:38 #kisslinux <muevoids[m]> Huh that's nifty
2020-09-12T23:25:01 #kisslinux <muevoids[m]> I just got a goland matrix client set up and didn't know I could use it for irc as well