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2020-04-06T04:57:44 #kisslinux <Crestwave> The Bash manual says "Substring indexing is zero-based unless the positional parameters are used, in which case the indexing starts at 1 by default" but `set a b c; echo "${@::1}"` returns "bash" :/
2020-04-06T06:12:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah, cuz that's $0, the positional parameters are $1 and onward, so starting at 1 in the $@ array you get the positional parameters
2020-04-06T06:19:17 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Yes, and the section I quoted stated that it starts indexing starts at 1 by default with positional parameters, but it clearly starts at 0.
2020-04-06T06:41:59 #kisslinux <dylan02> Hello
2020-04-06T06:42:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> Apologies for not being active or online. My laptop has completely died and I've been trying everything I can to get it working.
2020-04-06T06:43:00 #kisslinux <dylan02> It looks like I'll need to purchase a new one.
2020-04-06T06:43:29 #kisslinux <Crestwave> o/
2020-04-06T06:43:50 #kisslinux <Crestwave> at least the died of coronavirus speculations can stop now :P
2020-04-06T06:43:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> I have partial access to a laptop (running Windows) so I'll be able to pop in and keep you guys updated.
2020-04-06T06:44:28 #kisslinux <dylan02> I should be able to buy one (and have it delivered) this week.
2020-04-06T06:46:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> jedavies: Thank you for the donation from the bottom of my heart. I wouldn't have been able to replace the laptop so soon without you. I'll be sending you an email from eliseanton55⊙hc (just a heads up to watch out for it).
2020-04-06T06:50:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> So, in short. I've found a replacement and I'm 200 euros short. Once I can top up the difference I'll be buying it express.
2020-04-06T06:50:53 #kisslinux <dylan02> Apologies to everyone@
2020-04-06T07:07:45 #kisslinux <icyphox> dylan02! Good to have you back.
2020-04-06T07:08:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> No need for apologies. :)
2020-04-06T07:30:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> I just bought the laptop. Should be a few days till it arrives. See you soon. :)
2020-04-06T07:48:41 #kisslinux <icyphox> o/
2020-04-06T08:06:39 #kisslinux <fehawen> hello
2020-04-06T09:54:48 #kisslinux <lieu> o/
2020-04-06T11:51:37 #kisslinux <onodera> what happened to dylan?
2020-04-06T12:06:52 #kisslinux <fehawen> onodera: We don't know. Or I don't know at least.
2020-04-06T12:07:31 #kisslinux <fehawen> He mentioned having laptop issues, that it wouldn't turn on. That was a little over a week ago I think.
2020-04-06T12:08:29 #kisslinux <fehawen> But could be a million other reasons. Not computer related. We'll have to wait and see I suppose.
2020-04-06T12:16:17 #kisslinux <fehawen> back later, bye
2020-04-06T12:28:11 #kisslinux <dzove855> his laptop died
2020-04-06T12:28:32 #kisslinux <dzove855> i already commanded a new laptopt and now his waiting the laptop to be delivered
2020-04-06T12:28:40 #kisslinux <dzove855> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/ - backlog
2020-04-06T12:57:46 #kisslinux <aosync> Hi, I'm new to irc, sorry if my way of asking questions is a bit clumsy. So I discovered kiss linux a few days ago and I'm pretty much hyper fond on the concept and I'd very much like to try it. However it seems from what I've seen that installing proprietary software on KISS is quite tedious; as of now this isn't a problem as the only "big"
2020-04-06T12:57:47 #kisslinux <aosync> proprietary thing I use is Discord and I plan on quitting it soon. But next year, I am starting engineering studies and I will likely be required to install a bunch of proprietary shit. So I'm wondering, is KISS linux a viable option as a daily driver in general and more particularly as a uni student daily driver? Is installing proprietary software
2020-04-06T12:57:47 #kisslinux <aosync> when it's needed actually not that complicated? I hope you understand my questions, have a good day.
2020-04-06T13:01:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've had issues building some things but I use a chroot (arch linux) for those things, and that works very well
2020-04-06T13:18:48 #kisslinux <onodera> aosync: probably not imo
2020-04-06T13:19:09 #kisslinux <onodera> it is not that hard to port proprietary software, but if it is not open source it is probably compiled against glibc rather than musl
2020-04-06T13:20:03 #kisslinux <onodera> but yeah if you know how to set up a chroot you can probably run arch in there
2020-04-06T13:21:51 #kisslinux <onodera> i would just use a normal distro or even windows tbh
2020-04-06T13:22:16 #kisslinux <onodera> if you need some closed source software on the fly it is just way too tedious to spend hours hacking something togehter every time
2020-04-06T13:22:25 #kisslinux <aosync> Mhm, ok
2020-04-06T13:22:40 #kisslinux <onodera> I speak from experience lol
2020-04-06T13:23:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i wouldn't just wipe your only system and hop on something entirely different when you don't know if everything will work so readily
2020-04-06T13:23:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i didn't need my computer to be production-ready for two months so i had a lot of time to learn everything and set it all up and have fun
2020-04-06T13:24:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could go the other way: set up a chroot for KISS. that's how you'd install it anyways
2020-04-06T13:24:48 #kisslinux <onodera> I am working from home these few weeks, I've set up a chroot with kiss, porting all the software I need
2020-04-06T13:25:00 #kisslinux <aosync> I am going to stay on Arch as of now, then, but I will toy with kiss a bit, and when I'll be there if the amount of annoying software stays decent I'll consider using kiss as a daily driver.
2020-04-06T13:25:05 #kisslinux <aosync> Thanks for your advices
2020-04-06T13:25:07 #kisslinux <onodera> in the weekend I'll probably can move the chroot to my disk and have a fully working system within hours
2020-04-06T13:25:32 #kisslinux <onodera> try just using kiss in a chroot, it works really well
2020-04-06T13:26:18 #kisslinux <aosync> Yep I will
2020-04-06T13:28:06 #kisslinux <aarng> aosync, dylan was playing cs:source from a chroot
2020-04-06T13:28:47 #kisslinux <aosync> Yeah the chroot solution sounds pretty useful
2020-04-06T13:28:53 #kisslinux <aarng> unless you need push to talk for voice, you could use the web version of discord too
2020-04-06T13:29:42 #kisslinux <aarng> nice thing about chroot, you are not polluting your main system with shitty software ;)
2020-04-06T13:30:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> like firefox!
2020-04-06T13:34:32 #kisslinux <aosync> I'm definitely gonna think about the chroot thing
2020-04-06T13:34:58 #kisslinux <aosync> I have a spare T61 imma install kiss on it to test it
2020-04-06T13:38:10 #kisslinux <aosync> (completely unrelated but if I disconnect I won't be able to see history since then when I reconnect will I?)
2020-04-06T13:39:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably not, but there's a log
2020-04-06T13:39:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/
2020-04-06T13:40:05 #kisslinux <aosync> nice, thanks
2020-04-06T13:40:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> of course!
2020-04-06T13:40:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> a lot of people read the logs (like dylan) so if you ever have a question you can probably tag them and they'll get back to you
2020-04-06T14:30:18 #kisslinux <dzove855> aosync: you could get the log by pluggins a znc and use irssi (example) with backlog plugin
2020-04-06T14:46:45 #kisslinux <crwt> ::help
2020-04-06T14:54:28 #kisslinux <aosync> dzove855: Ok thanks, but I guess the "classic" log is good enough for my needs
2020-04-06T14:57:58 #kisslinux <dzove855> aosync: no problem
2020-04-06T15:21:31 #kisslinux <aosync> S/names
2020-04-06T16:06:53 #kisslinux <icyphox> Evening.
2020-04-06T16:06:59 #kisslinux <icyphox> (Close to night, actually)
2020-04-06T16:07:08 #kisslinux <icyphox> It's 9:37 PM here.
2020-04-06T16:07:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's 12:06pm over here!
2020-04-06T16:07:30 #kisslinux <onodera> does anyone know any way to clone/track only a subdirectory
2020-04-06T16:07:42 #kisslinux <icyphox> dilyn: Oh!
2020-04-06T16:07:59 #kisslinux <onodera> I don't want community/community/<ports>, but community/<ports>
2020-04-06T16:08:05 #kisslinux <icyphox> Oh.
2020-04-06T16:08:08 #kisslinux <icyphox> Hmmm.
2020-04-06T16:08:30 #kisslinux <icyphox> I find that ugly too TBH.
2020-04-06T16:08:48 #kisslinux <onodera> I'm almost ready to fork repo and community for this lol
2020-04-06T16:09:27 #kisslinux <onodera> https:/camille.sh/ZZz3.png
2020-04-06T16:09:48 #kisslinux <onodera> I managed to do this with sparse-checkout but it is not working nice with kiss u
2020-04-06T16:24:28 #kisslinux <icyphox> onodera: Any reason you lose one / in your URLs?
2020-04-06T16:24:30 #kisslinux <icyphox> :P
2020-04-06T16:24:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it's just a consequence of how the repos are setup
2020-04-06T16:24:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> how does kiss u work anyways
2020-04-06T16:24:57 #kisslinux <icyphox> Messes with my URL parser regex (for dmenu) lol.
2020-04-06T16:25:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> dilyn: I assume it's just a 'git pull'.
2020-04-06T16:25:43 #kisslinux <icyphox> + other stuff.
2020-04-06T16:25:48 #kisslinux <icyphox> ;)
2020-04-06T16:26:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah looks like it
2020-04-06T16:29:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could just fork community and move everything up a directory xD
2020-04-06T16:29:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> then you could just have a separate one for pull-requests when you want to contribute
2020-04-06T16:37:42 #kisslinux <onodera> icyphox: because my script is wrong it seems lol
2020-04-06T16:37:45 #kisslinux <onodera> thanks for the headsup
2020-04-06T16:38:35 #kisslinux <icyphox> Heh
2020-04-06T16:39:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> Crestwave: no cuz $0 is not a positional parameter, so the indexing of $@ for accessing the positional parameters does start at 1
2020-04-06T16:43:30 #kisslinux <onodera> dilyn: I don't to manually manage the forked repos tho...
2020-04-06T19:24:12 #kisslinux <onodera> https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/issues/129
2020-04-06T19:24:15 #kisslinux <onodera> anyone running into this
2020-04-06T20:07:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> it certainly doesn't append found dependencies to at least one of my packages
2020-04-06T20:07:48 #kisslinux <nocir> i'm having issues with grub (i think)
2020-04-06T20:09:38 #kisslinux <nocir> i finish the install and reboot, it says 'Loading Grub,' but then it blanks and the computer goes back to the splash screen
2020-04-06T20:11:37 #kisslinux <nocir> this just repeats, and the computer goes back and forth between the splash screen and a message saying it is loading grub
2020-04-06T22:42:44 #kisslinux <claudia02> nocir: you can look at https://k1ss.org/faq -> Kernel -> why doesnt my kernel boot -> uuid / partuuid
2020-04-06T23:41:23 #kisslinux <nocir> i don't have a multidrive system, should i switch the /dev/sdXX for UUIDs anyways?
2020-04-06T23:43:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @nocir what are you using right now?
2020-04-06T23:43:56 #kisslinux <nocir> a thinkpad x230 with one drive
2020-04-06T23:44:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and when you got to the bootloader installation part of the instructions, how did you go about it?
2020-04-06T23:46:25 #kisslinux <nocir> i installed grub bios mode, and then made the config normally
2020-04-06T23:47:29 #kisslinux <nocir> so 'grub-install /dev/sda' and then 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
2020-04-06T23:47:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> roger that
2020-04-06T23:49:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and no errors from those?
2020-04-06T23:51:08 #kisslinux <nocir> yep, grub-install says it is installing for the i386-pc platform and then that it has finished with no errors,
2020-04-06T23:51:43 #kisslinux <nocir> and grub-mkconfig says it is generating the config, and then finds my kernel image and completes
2020-04-06T23:52:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i386, is it a 32-bit machine?
2020-04-06T23:52:43 #kisslinux <nocir> no
2020-04-06T23:55:52 #kisslinux <nocir> but it doesn't look like grub-install has a target for x86_64 bios machines
2020-04-06T23:55:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and what's your /etc/fstab look like?
2020-04-06T23:56:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah i couldn't remember if it shared the target or if there was a separate dedicated one
2020-04-06T23:58:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, or `fdisk -l`