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2019-09-29T05:05:27 #kisslinux <thehidden> hello
2019-09-29T05:06:13 #kisslinux <thehidden> how is everyone
2019-09-29T05:06:18 #kisslinux <thehidden> I like the new website
2019-09-29T05:34:17 #kisslinux <thehidden> hi
2019-09-29T05:35:23 #kisslinux <Crestwave> o/
2019-09-29T05:57:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> thehidden: welcome
2019-09-29T09:48:39 #kisslinux <kissuser> In the depends file we read either pkg or pkg make - which one is the compile time dependancy?
2019-09-29T09:51:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> make
2019-09-29T09:51:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dependencies marked 'make' are only needed at compile time.
2019-09-29T09:52:28 #kisslinux <kissuser> Thanks - i had a first quick look in the kiss script, but does it really make any difference in the handling?
2019-09-29T09:52:54 #kisslinux <kissuser> (searched for the word make and found it only in the comments)
2019-09-29T09:56:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2019-09-29T09:56:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'make' is checked on package install and removal.
2019-09-29T09:56:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also helpful for user scripting.
2019-09-29T09:57:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> In terms of building a package, dependencies are treated the same.
2019-09-29T10:01:05 #kisslinux <kissuser> So there is only different behavior while installing which is coded in the "kiss" script?
2019-09-29T10:08:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And removing packages.
2019-09-29T10:08:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, you can remove a package which is only a make depend of other packages but not one which is a runtime dependency.
2019-09-29T10:08:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Installation checks to see that all runtime deps are installed (it ignores make deps).
2019-09-29T10:09:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiss-utils makes use of this for kiss-orphans for example.
2019-09-29T10:13:16 #kisslinux <kissuser> Is the spot in the kiss script like: " while read -r dep dep_type"
2019-09-29T10:13:18 #kisslinux <kissuser> ?
2019-09-29T10:13:53 #kisslinux <kissuser> Sorry again: Is it the spot in the kiss script like: " while read -r dep dep_type" ?
2019-09-29T10:15:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> As 'make' is the only optional dependency field, all the package manager does is check to see if it exists or not.
2019-09-29T10:15:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You're right with the snippet.
2019-09-29T10:15:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Below it you'll see "[ "$dep_type" ] ||"
2019-09-29T10:16:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Basically, if $dep_type is empty, do thing.
2019-09-29T10:17:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> pkg_remove checks depends files for lines *not* containing 'make' by matching lines which only contain the package name.
2019-09-29T10:18:39 #kisslinux <kissuser> So am i right: For a compile time dependancy it's also possible to write in the depend file: package_name mickeymouse ?
2019-09-29T10:19:10 #kisslinux <kissuser> (the check only looks if there is anything)
2019-09-29T10:19:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2019-09-29T10:19:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If another field is ever added I'll update the code to be less lazy.
2019-09-29T10:19:56 #kisslinux <kissuser> OK. So I'm lucky regarding this matter :-)
2019-09-29T10:21:00 #kisslinux <kissuser> Anyway: You did very good and hard work - and a big thank you from me !
2019-09-29T10:22:08 #kisslinux <kissuser> Point 2 on the agenda ;-) I thougt it would be good to have a small text based file manager for kisslinux - do you know the midnight commander?
2019-09-29T10:22:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I use fff personally: https://github.com/dylanaraps/fff
2019-09-29T10:25:03 #kisslinux <kissuser> But it's not packaged for kisslinux eiter way...
2019-09-29T10:25:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It is in community
2019-09-29T10:25:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Plus it's just a single file you can download and add to your path.
2019-09-29T10:25:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No need to compile or install additional files.
2019-09-29T10:25:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just a 'wget' + 'chmod +x'.
2019-09-29T10:26:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nothing stops you from packaging whatever you like.
2019-09-29T10:26:43 #kisslinux <Woodi> hmm, pasting 'https://github.com/dylanaraps/fff' crashes X session here, debian...
2019-09-29T10:26:57 #kisslinux <Woodi> *into firefox *
2019-09-29T10:27:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mine is fine (on KISS)
2019-09-29T10:27:56 #kisslinux <Woodi> I rechecked before saying anything :)
2019-09-29T10:31:23 #kisslinux <kissuser> fff is also "Fast file finder for Emacs" - i hope you don't get legal issues with Stallmann ;-)
2019-09-29T10:33:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Every name is taken nowadays. I've stopped caring, really.
2019-09-29T10:33:07 #kisslinux <Woodi> going to https://github.com/dylanaraps and clicking 'fff' also do the trick...
2019-09-29T10:33:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think it's an issue on my side.
2019-09-29T10:35:17 #kisslinux <Woodi> probably, maybe it's dwm fault
2019-09-29T10:35:29 #kisslinux <kissuser> fff also looks promising - i also should give it a try. What i really like with midnight commander is that you see source and target directories at once - if you move in unknown dir hierarchies
2019-09-29T10:39:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, you can package it yourself pretty easily.
2019-09-29T10:43:34 #kisslinux <kissuser> Already packaged the midnight commander - Now I only have to doublecheck if i did it right with the two kinds of depends
2019-09-29T10:45:05 #kisslinux <kissuser> Is there a good way to determine if its runtime dep other than remove every dep and see if it complains at runtime?
2019-09-29T10:45:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Check the package's build documentation.
2019-09-29T10:45:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can also check what other linux distributions do.
2019-09-29T10:47:07 #kisslinux <kissuser> If other distros (tm) do it wrong, we do the same way...
2019-09-29T10:48:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's why you look at more than one distro and you compare against the package's documentation itself.
2019-09-29T10:48:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I also check the source code if needed.
2019-09-29T10:48:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The package manager (kiss) will fix any dependencies you missed.
2019-09-29T10:56:18 #kisslinux <kissuser> As i understand right, we have to wait appr. one year from now to get this thing listed on distrowatch and attract more people and get more help...
2019-09-29T11:32:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Distrowatch won't accept it as it doesn't use an iso file for installation.
2019-09-29T11:33:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The only thing additional users could help with is expanding 'community'.
2019-09-29T11:35:57 #kisslinux <kissuser> So perhaps only your future derivatives will be listed?
2019-09-29T11:37:16 #kisslinux <dredrim> Hi there
2019-09-29T11:37:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2019-09-29T11:37:22 #kisslinux <dredrim> I didn't know about that dumb .iso restriction
2019-09-29T11:37:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We don't have to be listed on Distrowatch.
2019-09-29T11:37:34 #kisslinux <dredrim> Btw still stuck with the Xorg thingy :(
2019-09-29T11:37:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It really means nothing.
2019-09-29T11:37:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Huh
2019-09-29T11:37:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Remind me again?
2019-09-29T11:38:24 #kisslinux <dredrim> Installed kiss on VMware, command line works fine but I can't for the love of my life get xorg to work
2019-09-29T11:39:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I haven't personally tried VMware. I've only tested on Qemu.
2019-09-29T11:40:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You've seen this?: https://www.x.org/releases/current/doc/man/man4/vmware.4.xhtml
2019-09-29T11:40:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://www.x.org/wiki/vmware/
2019-09-29T11:41:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't know if you need this too: https://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/new_guest_tools_ws.html
2019-09-29T11:41:35 #kisslinux <dredrim> t
2019-09-29T11:41:45 #kisslinux <dredrim> The kernel module is compiled with [*]
2019-09-29T11:42:13 #kisslinux <dredrim> The guest additions I can't install because they depend on glibc
2019-09-29T11:42:37 #kisslinux <dredrim> I guess I could try compiling glibc from source since I'm kinda out of ideas
2019-09-29T11:42:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I doubt you need the guest tools.
2019-09-29T11:43:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're optional from what I can see.
2019-09-29T11:44:07 #kisslinux <dredrim> I shouldn't need to
2019-09-29T13:21:08 #kisslinux <nestman> dylanaraps: i sanitized `berry`'s makefile and learned that libXext wasn't a dependency lol
2019-09-29T13:22:13 #kisslinux <nestman> i'll make a PR on the next update
2019-09-29T13:22:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2019-09-29T13:22:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I saw your PR
2019-09-29T13:23:55 #kisslinux <nestman> yeah, i mirrored it from dwm actually lol
2019-09-29T13:31:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> # ./pfetch
2019-09-29T13:31:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ,_, root@
2019-09-29T13:31:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ('-_|_-') os DragonFly 5.6-RELEASE
2019-09-29T13:31:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> >--|--< host QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+
2019-09-29T13:31:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (_-'|'-_) kernel 5.6-RELEASE
2019-09-29T13:31:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> | uptime 15m
2019-09-29T13:31:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> | pkgs 22
2019-09-29T13:31:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> | memory 540M / 3030M
2019-09-29T13:31:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fully functional on DragonFly now.
2019-09-29T13:31:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hostname is empty since it's empty in the OS itself.
2019-09-29T13:36:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Any other OS with POSIX sh?
2019-09-29T13:38:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Things I can't easily test: Solaris (won't boot in qemu), AIX, IRIX, FreeMiNT and Windows
2019-09-29T13:46:52 #kisslinux <Crestwave> What happened with OpenIndiana?
2019-09-29T13:48:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Solaris (won't boot in qemu)
2019-09-29T13:48:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I called it Solaris above
2019-09-29T13:48:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I also don't have any graphics in qemu currently so things like RedoxOS are out.
2019-09-29T13:48:52 #kisslinux <Crestwave> You can use the serial console?
2019-09-29T13:49:07 #kisslinux <konimex> I don't think RedoxOS has any #!/bin/sh implementation anyway
2019-09-29T13:49:12 #kisslinux <konimex> just some "ion" thing
2019-09-29T13:49:17 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Redox's graphics actually has problems without PulseAudio so I use the serial console myself
2019-09-29T13:49:23 #kisslinux <Crestwave> It has Dash and Bash packaged
2019-09-29T13:49:29 #kisslinux <konimex> huh
2019-09-29T13:49:57 #kisslinux <konimex> I can test AIX if you like, I still have an AIX ssh running (hopefully)
2019-09-29T13:50:01 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Bash IIRC had some problems with complex pure bash stuff, though
2019-09-29T13:50:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm testing NetBSD right now.
2019-09-29T13:50:45 #kisslinux <Crestwave> I was actually able to boot OI in QEMU; turns out that I used the usb image last time, which doesn't boot
2019-09-29T13:50:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will try Redox with serial next.
2019-09-29T13:51:37 #kisslinux <Crestwave> I'm not sure if there's a way to get some info from shell in Redox other than the built-in screenfetch, though
2019-09-29T13:53:06 #kisslinux <Crestwave> OI seems to be really buggy, though; installing git took forever and multiple retries and it randomly rebooted once. And my download speed kept being shown as negative...
2019-09-29T13:54:16 #kisslinux <konimex> how about the real Solaris (i.e. Oracle)?
2019-09-29T13:57:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's an idea
2019-09-29T13:57:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://www.oracle.com/ca-en/solaris/solaris11/
2019-09-29T13:57:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This?
2019-09-29T13:57:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://www.oracle.com/solaris/solaris11/downloads/solaris-downloads.html
2019-09-29T13:58:03 #kisslinux <konimex> aye
2019-09-29T13:58:54 #kisslinux <konimex> well last time I tried to download it it requires me to make a free oracle account
2019-09-29T13:59:01 #kisslinux <konimex> don't know about now
2019-09-29T13:59:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Oracle account sign in
2019-09-29T13:59:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ah fuck
2019-09-29T13:59:20 #kisslinux <konimex> yep
2019-09-29T14:01:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> NetBSD works fine. :D
2019-09-29T14:01:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Tiny bug I had to fix.
2019-09-29T14:08:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dash causes Redox to crash for me.
2019-09-29T14:09:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What other OS can I try(?)
2019-09-29T17:25:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2019-09-29T17:25:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Welcome
2019-09-29T17:25:52 #kisslinux <thehidden> thanks
2019-09-29T17:26:01 #kisslinux <thehidden> I like the switch to irc from discord
2019-09-29T17:27:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So do I
2019-09-29T17:28:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm happy to answer any questions you may have
2019-09-29T17:28:09 #kisslinux <thehidden> thanks
2019-09-29T17:31:14 #kisslinux <knob> so . . . it's worthwhile setting up a discord account then?
2019-09-29T17:32:00 #kisslinux <knob> so many accounts :rolleyes:
2019-09-29T17:33:02 #kisslinux <knob> I probably already have one that I've forgotten about :D
2019-09-29T17:35:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We moved from Discord to IRC (here).
2019-09-29T17:35:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> IRC doesn't require an account. :)
2019-09-29T17:37:23 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> discord would prompt me with captcha every other time i log in
2019-09-29T17:37:30 #kisslinux <thehidden> yeah
2019-09-29T17:37:45 #kisslinux <KayW> that happened to me for a while
2019-09-29T17:37:47 #kisslinux <thehidden> and irc is more lightweight, also free software.
2019-09-29T17:37:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Freenode uses Google captcha for their web clinet too fyi
2019-09-29T17:37:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's sad
2019-09-29T17:38:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> client*
2019-09-29T17:38:03 #kisslinux <KayW> anyone know where i can find some good weechat confs?
2019-09-29T17:38:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just do it by hand.
2019-09-29T17:38:39 #kisslinux <KayW> what does yours look like?
2019-09-29T17:38:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 2 secs
2019-09-29T17:40:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://i.imgur.com/MMmXT5Q.jpg
2019-09-29T17:40:19 #kisslinux <KayW> oh nice
2019-09-29T17:40:30 #kisslinux <thehidden> oh shoot
2019-09-29T17:40:37 #kisslinux <thehidden> that's really good looking
2019-09-29T17:40:38 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> wht font are you using?
2019-09-29T17:41:07 #kisslinux <KayW> yeah i wanna go for something minimalistic, i need to read the weechat user guide
2019-09-29T17:41:22 #kisslinux <KayW> looks like iosevka?
2019-09-29T17:41:28 #kisslinux <thehidden> I switched from arch+i3-gaps a while back to debian+normal desktop environment and I kind of miss some of the terminal applications.
2019-09-29T17:41:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Roboto Mono
2019-09-29T17:42:25 #kisslinux <KayW> http://i.salejandro.me/rNJ64.png im just using the default conf (font is Iosevka Extended)
2019-09-29T17:42:53 #kisslinux <KayW> i was on arch+i3 for a while, went to ubuntu+budgie, and now im back on arch+bsp
2019-09-29T17:44:03 #kisslinux <KayW> im thinking about switching to Void once i get a larger ssd and i have a separate /home partition
2019-09-29T17:44:22 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> i went from antix to freebsd with zfs & fvwm.
2019-09-29T17:44:44 #kisslinux <thehidden> huh
2019-09-29T17:44:53 #kisslinux <thehidden> what's freebsd like
2019-09-29T17:45:11 #kisslinux <thehidden> I really like the BSD license, and am interested in that.
2019-09-29T17:47:01 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> It's great. It supports suspend/hibernation on my x220, zfs is nice I haven't had it freeze on X11 so far compared to Linux. I like how simple the ports system is.
2019-09-29T17:47:18 #kisslinux <thehidden> that's cool
2019-09-29T17:47:51 #kisslinux <knob> yeah i misread the post. Much prefer irc ;)
2019-09-29T20:18:05 #kisslinux <sudoer> does KISS repo has irssi for IRC client in terminal?