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ew0k: regarding your post about a small linux... have you considered alpine?
Alpine is amazing.
hi zcrayfish
greetings
do you use Alpine as your daily driver?
hyperreal: No, I use macos as my daily driver.
I do.
hi Arahael
I have an old Panasonic CF-30 as my main computer. fun fun.
zcrayfish I guess Alpine would be amazing on that, comparatively lol
Well it's either Alpine or WEPOS...
Probably a better idea to use the maintained OS. Hehe.
WEPOS = the version of XP that was supported until 2019. my gawd that's a long running OS.
Haha
I'm kind of running Alpine. On my Pinephone.
Nice
Death to systemd!
;)
lol
WEPOS lol
Alpine is pretty great yeah
super fast package installs
I'm really impressed with just how much software, and current versions of software at that, is in the repos.
I seem to regularly come across something that is in the alpine repos that isn't even in the arch repos.
That's how Void Linux is. A large selection of packages compared to say, Arch, and rolling release. Void and Alpine are hands down my favorite Linux distros.
yes
been surprised too at some of the packages that Alpine has
have thought a couple of times about using it on my desktop but i'm emotionally attached to Debian
btw i like systemd
i don't love journalctl but i like systemd
I really should learn how to use apkbuild... someone needs to add gmrun, gsimplecal, leafpad and xlockmore
I like systemd. please don't hang me lol
I also like init diversity
systemd has lots of good stuff.
ew0k: gemini://drewdevault.com/2021/04/02/Go-is-a-great-language.gmi :D
Seek's link to 'gemini://drewdevault.com/2021/04/02/Go-is-a-great-language.gmi'
Seek: :D
Arahael: I have considered it, but I don't really know anything about it beyond the official container image being ~5 MB. I mean, that's not including kernel and stuff
ew0k: I think it might be including kernel and stuff.
Arahael: I think the question is really how much punch one can pack into a 50 MB desktop OS
Answer: A lot!
Not openoffice, but a lot.
Smallest I've seen was Siag Office, but that was a very long time ago.
Arahael: "Containers are often referred to as âlightweight,â meaning they share the machineâs operating system kernel and do not require the overhead of associating an operating system within each application." -- https://www.ibm.com/cloud/learn/containerization
ew0k's link to 'https://www.ibm.com/cloud/learn/containerization'
I don't think that's been developed for a decade or two, but there's still a bunch of various separate utilities that should fit easily. Gnumeric. Abiword. All those.
I had forgotten about this myself when I wrote the post
I actually checked out Abiword and Gnumeric after writing the post and found that they've both had releases in 2021!
Yeah.
I found this too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanolinux
ew0k's link to 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanolinux'
not at all maintained anymore but WOW! A desktop OS in *14* MB
Also, if you have a 'modern' web browser - how big are those? Anyway, so if you have a modern web browser, there's Microsoft Office again.
A modern web browser doesn't fit on 50 MB by itself even
And the worst part of the modern web is that it eats up all the RAM available on any older computer and then some
Right.
Ah! It looks like Firefox alone is a 153 MB beast (snap package) on Ubuntu at least
153 MB. Lovely. :(
hehe, yeah
Dillo is ~2 MB
I guess that doesn't include some dependencies (libcurl? Graphical libs?). The packages "lynx" and "lynx-common" weigh in at 2 and 3.5 MB respectively. I find it a little hard to believe that lynx would be bigger than dillo
unless dillo is seriously optimized, I guess
ew0k: Also doesn't include https.
Nor javascript.
Dillo can do https, via a 'plugin' or something, though.
ew0k: netsurf is nice
ew0k: A good reminder that 'elinks' supports graphics and (rudimentary) javascript.
ew0k: Also, I can easily believe that lynx is bigger than dillo. Dillo is far more limited than you'd think.
links -g
Right.
graphical browser for x11 and frame buffer
I didn't know dillo doesn't do https :P
huh. That https plugin must be included in the default dillo installation on Ubuntu
Hmm, maybe it does now, again, it's been years since I last checked.
I use macOS as my daily driver these days on the laptop - linux for server.
And I do most things in the tmux session running on the server ;)
:D
btw that stats file on Antenna is really interesting. I don't know why I haven't added it earlier
I wonder if that data could be made a graph easily
I haven't had a chance to look at it - do you have the link on hadn again? (Please, with the gemini prefix)
gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/stats.tsv
ew0k's link to 'gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/stats.tsv'
I added the timestamps just to see how it changes over time, and it turns out an added bonus is that I can now see how often it's regenerated :D
I guess I could do that by grepping the log already, but I hadn't thought of it as an interesting data point until now
Very nice.
Could do an ascii graph in the last column.
As an example ^^ one '*' per ten feeds, and one '@' per ten entries
Well, one '@' per 10 entries minus the feeds.
(There's probably better symbols)
I'm trying to build a graph in libreoffice calc now, but I don't like that all the timestamps get evenly distributed
because obviously they shouldn't be, and I feel that that matters :D
Eh, I think you just need ascii art for this. :)
i think "average entries per feed" is interesting parameter
I am wondering
how much ram do public pubnices have ?
mine has 512MB
aosync: ~team has >64GB i think
epoch: yours?
well, maybe not "public"
:(
epoch: if you will make it public, contact me :)
idk why i am interested lol
if you can tell an IRC bot the right stuff you can get it to make you an account
"please"
epoch: wdym?
aosync: LMAO
I have a program that can be run by the "newuser" group that is suid root and creates users based on arguments.
and that bot has an exploitable bug in it, and runs as newuser group
lol
but link?
thebackupbox.net
ok
lmao
oh i saw it on ~team wiki
and i thought it is rip lol
? ~team wiki has something about it?
or idk
maybe some very old pubnixes lis
*list
yeah, it has been around a while.
it /was/ dead
but I bought my domain back a few years ago
ok
http://www.wechall.net/forum-t200/Comments_on_thebackupbox.html
epoch's link to 'http://www.wechall.net/forum-t200/Comments_on_thebackupbox.html'
are there any programming communities ?
aosync: wdym?
i guess suckless is one. a community of programmers with the same ideals and that work to better a common system
yeah
but
where did you find it?
?
?
im asking this in general, not on tilde
oh
aosync: yeah suckless is cool, but idk how they accept members
but GRU exists :) - https://g1n.ttm.sh/gru
g1n's link to 'https://g1n.ttm.sh/gru'
based
this is cool
aosync: wdym?
lol
gru
ok
yay
btw i am making own libc now :D
nice
aosync: i can't make something in our os, so i decided to make userbase and make OR GRU/Linux (and could use rms's copypasta with s/GNU/GRU) or GRUBSD
why can't you make something in Orion?
idk
i can't really understand fs and memory
but not want to do that now
after libc will try to make own compiler lmao
fs? like the VFS or usual filesystem patterns?
both?
Oki
aosync: btw we have ##g1n here and #gru on libera :)
Woah, does anyone know someone by the nick "spider"?
Nevermind, found him :D
Arahael: yeah ~cafe founder
Wow.
We have some common interests!
Arahael: nice, do you also have tilde?
oh
Nope, the common interest is... Elsewhere. Seems he has a flare for languages.
yes i saw in #helpdesk
Cool :)
ew0k: gemcall is antenna's dependency, so it needs to be uploaded to pypi
do you mind me doing some antenna code btw?
sysrq: please do!
if I write a proper setup.cfg I wonât have to upload it to pypi; it can get it from the repo
I donât want to put my stuff in pypi because I feel like it implies a professionality and commitment to maintenance that I canât guarantee
Btw I put the MIT license on my stuff but am too lazy to even add my name to the copyright section⌠XD
lol
ew0k: created PR for gemcall
ew0k: fyi, with pip you can pull directly from git repos
so. can i upload it to pypi for you? (it's handy to have tarballs)
Arahael: yup :) but when itâs a dependency youâll either have to do that manually or declare it properly in the package config
sysrq: definitely if you want to!
https://tilde.team/~ben/suckmore/
Seek's link to 'https://tilde.team/~ben/suckmore/'
sysrq: thanks for the PR!
how is it like to be part of a tilde ?
or a pubnix in general
sysrq: apparently I donât have my pw for notabug in my phoneâs keychain đ Iâll merge it when Iâm at my pc
aosync: it's very fun
sorry sorry for join spam
test can you hear me ?
aosync, yesd
yes*
what sort of resources are involved in running a crawler at the moment?
Seek: Internet data, basically.
how much transfer to download all of Gemini space?
any interest or repulsion in a wayback machine?
Seek: I think there are mixed feeligs w.r.t. a wayback machine.
yeah i can intuit a couple on both sides