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- Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
@ Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:16 +0000
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Hello,
my partner wants to write a site with me. She likes the idea of Gemini
and the simplicity of its syntax, but is not the kind of person to run
cli applications like vim and rsync all the time. Which is how I have
been doing it. She told me she would prefer to use something like the
Nextcloud inbuilt text editor, though that one uses Markdown
unfortunately and seems too complex for me to just modify it to work with
gemtext right now.
So I was wondering, did any of you have similar challenges? What solution
did you ultimately go with? There are a few pieces to this puzzle, so I
will just list them individually:
highlighting is a big plus, fancy rendering of headers or lists etc is
not necessary because it's already so simple)
the site ultimately will be
with some server-based solution or with eg. Syncthing keeping the state
of our computers in sync
server that is hosting our site
I would be thankful for any suggestions! I believe finding a practical
solution for this type of user would be important for more people to
access gemini as writers. So even if you want to suggest a community
effort for modifying an existing tool or creating a new one, I am open to
working on it and hearing your ideas :)
Best,
Unicorn
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- Omar Polo <op at omarpolo.com>
@ Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:27 +0200
In reply to Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
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Unicorn <unicorn@disroot.org> writes:
Hello,
my partner wants to write a site with me. She likes the idea of Gemini
and the simplicity of its syntax, but is not the kind of person to run
cli applications like vim and rsync all the time. Which is how I have
been doing it. She told me she would prefer to use something like the
Nextcloud inbuilt text editor, though that one uses Markdown
unfortunately and seems too complex for me to just modify it to work
with gemtext right now.
So I was wondering, did any of you have similar challenges? What
solution did you ultimately go with? There are a few pieces to this
puzzle, so I will just list them individually:
* Easy writing of the text itself with Linux or web-based GUI (syntax
highlighting is a big plus, fancy rendering of headers or lists etc
is not necessary because it's already so simple)
* The text should be structured in directories in the exact same way
that the site ultimately will be
* The whole structure of files should be accessible to both of us,
either with some server-based solution or with eg. Syncthing keeping
the state of our computers in sync
* The whole structure of files needs to be regularly uploaded to the
server that is hosting our site
I would be thankful for any suggestions! I believe finding a practical
solution for this type of user would be important for more people to
access gemini as writers. So even if you want to suggest a community
effort for modifying an existing tool or creating a new one, I am open
to working on it and hearing your ideas :)
Best,
Unicorn
I never did something like this (I usually just use git or rsync to
publish) but maybe syncthing[0] is an option too. If you don't know it,
it like dropbox, you can share directories across various devices, it's
decentralized, free and available for (almost?) all operating systems.
It can sync the files between your and her laptop, and if you don't want
to insta-publish the changes to your server, you can turn off syncthing
on your server and turn it on only when you're ready to publish. For
editing you can use whatever text-editor you like.
Nextcloud could be an option too, but it seems to require more effort.
IIRC you can edit also plain text files with the built-in editor, but
it won't do syntax highlighting and you have to find a solution for the
publishing part.
Cheers,
Omar Polo
[0]: https://syncthing.net/
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- Anna βCyberTailorβ <cyber at sysrq.in>
@ Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:51 +0500
In reply to Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
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I'd recommend using a network file system. Once it's mounted it
becomes transparent to the users and any text editor will be fine.
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- Gary Johnson <lambdatronic at disroot.org>
@ Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:07 -0400
In reply to Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
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Unicorn <unicorn@disroot.org> writes:
So I was wondering, did any of you have similar challenges? What
solution did you ultimately go with? There are a few pieces to this
puzzle, so I will just list them individually:
* Easy writing of the text itself with Linux or web-based GUI (syntax
highlighting is a big plus, fancy rendering of headers or lists etc
is not necessary because it's already so simple)
Just let her use any text editor with Gemtext syntax support. I use
Emacs with gemini-mode, which is great and even lets you follow your
links from file to file. I'm sure there are a number of other editors
out there to choose from with a similar kind of plugin.
* The text should be structured in directories in the exact same way
that the site ultimately will be
Use your GUI file manager to make directories and new Gemtext files. I
haven't used one in years, but I'm pretty sure you just need to
right-click in a folder and select New Folder or New Text File each time
you want to create something. All Gemini servers (to my knowledge
anyway) will map URLs to file paths from a specified document root
directory, which should be the toplevel directory containing your
capsule pages.
* The whole structure of files should be accessible to both of us,
either with some server-based solution or with eg. Syncthing keeping
the state of our computers in sync
Set up a Nextcloud server on the machine that is running your Gemini
server. Make one of your Nextcloud folders your document root directory
for your capsule.
Install Nextcloud clients on your local computer and your partner's
computer. Create your capsule directories and pages in a folder
automatically synced to your remotely hosted Nextcloud server.
This should ensure that any files that either of you create, edit, or
delete will automatically be shared between you two and published to
your public Gemini capsule with no additional steps.
* The whole structure of files needs to be regularly uploaded to the
server that is hosting our site
See the previous point's comments about automatic publishing. If you
want to manually publish file changes instead, you should be able to
configure your Nextcloud client to only upload file changes when you
manually run it rather than automatically.
Best of luck,
Gary
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- Tijara <tijara at runbox.com>
@ Tue, 20 Apr 2021 19:51 +0200
In reply to Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
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On Apr-20 16:16, Unicorn wrote:
She told me she would prefer to use something like the Nextcloud
inbuilt text editor, though that one uses Markdown unfortunately [...]
I would be thankful for any suggestions!
You could set up a script that uses a tool like
https://github.com/makeworld-the-better-one/md2gemini
to convert the Markdown files into Gemtext and upload them to the server
or move them to a specified shared folder.
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- Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
@ Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:03 +0000
In reply to Omar Polo <op at omarpolo.com>
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20 Apr 2021 18:34:46 Omar Polo <op@omarpolo.com>:
I never did something like this (I usually just use git or rsync to
publish) but maybe syncthing[0] is an option too.
Yeah, we have been using syncthing for other purposes, but then there is
still the question of what would be a simple text editor, optimally with
syntax highlighting, that she could use.
Nextcloud could be an option too, but it seems to require more effort.
IIRC you can edit also plain text files with the built-in editor, but
it won't do syntax highlighting and you have to find a solution for the
publishing part.
Unfortunately .gmi is not recognized as plain text :/
I was considering webdav to get the files out, but that also seems
unnecessarily complicated. I suppose local editing with sync is a better
idea unless there is a different server-based option thats better.
Thanks for the input though :)
Best,
Unicorn
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- Sgaith <Sgiath at pm.me>
@ Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:20 +0000
In reply to Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
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Yeah, we have been using syncthing for other purposes, but then there is
still the question of what would be a simple text editor, optimally with
syntax highlighting, that she could use.
I would recommend Visual Studio Code [1] with the Gemini plugin [2].
I am aware that it is not ideal from many points of view but it is available
on almost all platforms, has easy-to-understand UI even for someone coming
Microsoft Office and with another plugin [3] can even directly connect to
server through SSH and show the files the same way as local ones.
I am using VS Code to collaborate on LaTeX files with my wife and it is
working for us.
Have a nice day
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- Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net>
@ Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:41 -0400
In reply to Unicorn <unicorn at disroot.org>
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Unicorn writes:
20 Apr 2021 18:34:46 Omar Polo <op@omarpolo.com>:
> I never did something like this (I usually just use git or rsync to
> publish) but maybe syncthing[0] is an option too.
Yeah, we have been using syncthing for other purposes, but then there
is still the question of what would be a simple text editor, optimally
with syntax highlighting, that she could use.
I *think* I remember someone creating a Gemini syntax highlighting
plugin for either GEdit or Kate...
Ah, searching pulls up this plugin that should work for gedit:
https://git.scuttlebot.io/%25bIpwmyP44M5EXF6SdICYQa8rBHhvRRtmqnclkZRx2%2BE%3D.sha256
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