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can hardly call this hacking when it's literally an open door, this has been happening for years
/r/antiwork may be one of the greatest psyop of our time. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years we find out that Russian propaganda assets created and fueled the antiwork movement to accelerate the social divisiveness and strife in the US/West.
The current top 5 posts on /r/antiwork are:
1. Complaint about recruiter who asked OP to interview for a job that paid $6/hour less than their current job:
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r870et/got_a_call...
2. Grammatically incorrect "new rules" (e.g. no days off in December) enforced by company that just implemented $15 minimum wage:
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r86aka/they_start...
3. Discussion about red-flag phrases used in interviews:
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8eqt2/whats_the_...
4. OP announcing that they went on vacation even though management declined the vacation request at the last minute despite approving it 4 months ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r827fd/my_boss_de...
5. Repost of a story about a person whose wife had cancer, which resulted in healthcare costs that devastated the couple's finances despite insurance:
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r89m0e/when_your_...
None of these posts seem unreasonable. What exactly is the problem here?
If anything, you've just convinced me even more that this is some propaganda campaign:
Two of those posts are from accounts that are less than a month old.
One of them has a first post in /r/shadowban to see if the account is globally shadow banned or not. Also posting in /r/FreeKarma4U for similar reasons. Common for troll/bots.
One of them reposted an obviously fake post about wife having cancer. The original account that posted that story has been permanently suspended.
One of them hasn't posted since a week after they created their account, magically deleted some of their posts, and is now posting a year later with obviously fake karma farming stuff.
>None of these posts seem unreasonable.
Almost all of them are obviously fake or karma whoring.
>What exactly is the problem here?
There are obvious troll farms on reddit shaping narratives. We had a federal investigation and congressional hearings that confirmed this to be true.
I'd be willing to bet half or more of these accounts will be suspended at the end of the next presidential election.
It's not unusual for new accounts to make posts that reach the top 5 of a subreddit. Your HN account is only 19 days old, and your very first comment (
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29223698
) was a politically charged message that was flagged to death. Are we supposed to be concerned about that?
Where is the evidence that the cancer story is fake? It's common for individuals in the U.S. with health conditions that require long-term care to suffer financially even with insurance:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-to-control-medical-deb...
Of course there are propaganda campaigns on social media, but what you've found so far isn't nearly enough to establish that the entire /r/antiwork subreddit is one. It's just a group of people complaining about working conditions, and groups like this have existed as long as employment has existed.
Your very own account was created less than three weeks ago.
Except this isn't reddit, I'm not making karma farming posts, and there haven't been federal investigations and congressional hearings that confirmed HackerNews is a known target for propaganda campaigns.
You're actually agreeing with me.
I agree that it does seem rather suspect that a subreddit can seemingly multiply its number of subscribers in a matter of months. I further agree that it does seem like agent provocateurs are at work, namely in this very thread, because if _I_ was in charge of a disinfo op, the easiest thing I would do to throw off the trail is to immediately prematurely saturate it with hyperbolic paranoiac allegations like āgreatest psyop of our timeā, to discredit the idea that my op is an op, by making the idea seem ridiculous and absurd and fringe and cringe.
>I further agree that it does seem like agent provocateurs are at work
Doesn't "seem" like it, they are at work. We had a federal investigation and congressional hearings that confirmed this to be true.
>namely in this very subthread
This isn't reddit. Are you schizophrenic?
>because if I was in charge of a disinfo op, the easiest thing I can do to throw off the trail is to immediately prematurely saturate it with hyperbolic paranoiac accusations
It's neither paranoiac nor accusational. We had a federal investigation and congressional hearings that confirmed the fact that reddit is a target for propaganda campaigns.
>to discredit the idea that my op is an op, by making the idea seem ridiculous and absurd and fringe.
What else do the voices tell you?
Please do not debase yourself with personal attacks and unsubstantiative remarks.
> We had a federal investigation and congressional hearings that confirmed the fact that reddit is a target for propaganda campaigns.
That is correct, and in fact you should have led off to that, instead of immediately jumping to "may be one of the greatest psyop of our time", which completely drowns out any merit to your message. Saying something is suspect is one thing, immediately accusing it of being the work of phantom Russian hackers essentially frames yourself as being QAnon of another political stripe, and discredits your own position. There were many many #resistance grifters and fabulists during the heady days of Russiagate, and you do yourself no favors by using the same sort of accusatory tone and language as that ilk.
Do try harder next time.
>Please do not debase yourself with personal attacks and unsubstantiative remarks.
You should follow your own rule here and stop posting.
>instead of immediately jumping to "may be one of the greatest psyop of our time", which completely drowns out any merit to your message. Saying something is suspect is one thing, immediately accusing it to be the work of phantom Russian hackers
Nothing wrong with jumping to something that factually happened, on the specific subject platform where it happened. Only you believe it drowns out merit because apparently facts and history go against your narrative. They weren't "phantom Russian hackers", they actually were Russian hackers. We know this because we had a federal investigation and congressional hearings that confirmed the fact that reddit is a target for Russian propaganda campaigns.
>essentially frames yourself as being QAnon of another political stripe, and discredits your own position.
IMAX-level projection. "Believe my false narrative or you're Qanon-like!"
>There were many many #resistance grifters and fabulists during the heady days of Russiagate
And there it is, the mask slips off, "Russiagate". Straight from the Trumpers Qanon script.
>and you do yourself no favors by using the same sort of accusatory tone and language as that ilk.
It's accusatory because it actually happened, on the same platform.
>Do try harder next time.
No need, this worked perfectly.
Please stop.
> You should follow your own rule here and stop posting.
I shall never stop posting.
> Nothing wrong with jumping to something that factually happened, on the specific subject platform where it happened.
It is wrong insofar if you're trying to build a credible case, spouting off wild accusations in a know-it-all manner is not only off-putting, it's downright _gauche._ We've all lived through the nonstop coverage of the Mueller report and seen what very little resulted from that. Have some perspective, please.
> They weren't "phantom Russian hackers", they actually were Russian hackers. We know this because we had a federal investigation and congressional hearings that confirmed the fact that reddit is a target for Russian propaganda campaigns.
They existed. And how many votes did they move, exactly? The problem is that what is ascribed to foreign intelligence operations can easily also be attributed to political incompetence and a failure to connect with the people. What happened back then is _directly_ analogous to the r/antiwork situation- you are saying that the Internet Research Agency is at fault for worker discontent. And not, _actual material conditions_.
So it's very easy to point at foreign scapegoats, while not enacting policy to _actually improve peoples' lives._ And I say scapegoats because the work of these foreign actors, even if they might serve to add further chaos and to catalyze a situation, is not truly at fault for the situation; the fault is in our own doing, for letting it get so bad that it's even possible for an outside catalyst to destabilize things further.
> "Believe my false narrative or you're Qanon-like!"
Well, some of the mental gymnastics and reaching people did in the shock of political developments back then did seem to be a mirror version of QAnon. There was certainly a lot of cope that led to magical thinking to rationalize policy failure or simply political incompetence.
> And there it is, the mask slips off, "Russiagate". Straight from the Trumpers Qanon script.
The way I see it, consensus reality broke in American public life after Bush v. Gore and it's been splintering ever since. Russiagate, QAnon, the DNC rigged the primaries against Bernie... everyone's got a narrative these days. It's all gone very hyperreal and Adam Curtis shaped. Hell, it's even how _pop culture_ fandoms work these days:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/the-star-...
> It's accusatory because it actually happened, on the same platform.
Okay, what's your narrative? What makes r/antiwork such a perfect op? Did it create the Great Resignation? Did it inspire the Amazon unionization efforts already underway? Is it the r/The_Donald behind Striketober? Is it the mastermind conspiring to foment a new Occupy movement? Please, pray tell, explain how a subreddit full of _disgruntled workers trading memes_ is engendering the downfall of the Republic?
Do you have _any_ sympathy at all for those people? Or are they all bots and psyops in your outlook? Don't you understand that this makes you look out of touch and callous towards their suffering? Have you no sense of decency?
> No need, this worked perfectly.
Oh?
Please don't feed flamewars.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Or it could be mostly people fed up with working under shitty conditions.
Have you seen how the media writes about the pandemic for the last few years? That's a world changing psy-op that you don't even think is a psy-op.
It has turned vaccinated people against unvaccinated and normalised it as what we do now. It's a massive change in perception of the world.
Uh huh. And if you were a Chinese netizen on Weibo, would you likewise be posting about how the CIA is behind the lying flat and touching fish memes?
But antiwork isn't some deliberate meme subreddit.
And i would imagine the nationalists would think so.
That subreddit has existed for years, and this āmovementā is so far just a Reddit meme. r/antiwork isnāt the reason for the Great Resignation, nor for general worker discontent. Itās a symptom of it.
One wonders if people here think r/WallStreetBets is an op as well.