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Logs from #gemini on tilde.chat The most recent 100 lines. Scroll to the bottom for the latest. ----------------------------------------- [2021-12-03T10:39:59.276Z] <maria> i remembered it again ... ipfs [2021-12-03T10:41:30.921Z] <Arahael> maria: Have you actually used ipfs? [2021-12-03T10:43:06.037Z] *** left_adjoint (~left_adjoi@c-71-237-212-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [2021-12-03T10:59:50.192Z] *** nihilazo (~nihilazo@2607:f298:5:101d:f816:3eff:fe1a:29a3) quit (quit: mi tawa!) [2021-12-03T11:03:46.469Z] *** nihilazo (~nihilazo@2607:f298:5:101d:f816:3eff:fe1a:29a3) joined [2021-12-03T11:08:21.063Z] *** carriunix (~carriunix@h200137199134.ufg.br) joined [2021-12-03T11:21:03.870Z] *** nihilazo (~nihilazo@2607:f298:5:101d:f816:3eff:fe1a:29a3) quit (quit: mi tawa!) 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[2021-12-03T12:42:50.868Z] <maria> Arahael: no i haven't. ever. but i wanted to look at the tech underneath. most of these overlays are so complicated it's ridiculous. zeronet uses cryptowallets and tor and whatnot. it's insane [2021-12-03T12:42:57.322Z] *** sysrq (~sysrq@5.1.53.225) joined [2021-12-03T12:49:05.695Z] *** left_adjoint (~left_adjoi@2607:fb90:33a1:4aa6:5402:94ff:fe21:4c) joined [2021-12-03T12:53:05.116Z] *** left_adjoint (~left_adjoi@2607:fb90:33a1:4aa6:5402:94ff:fe21:4c) quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [2021-12-03T12:54:23.265Z] *** left_adjoint (~left_adjoi@c-71-237-212-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined [2021-12-03T13:00:47.057Z] <Arahael> maria: Right, and what I was wondering about is how much of the blockchain - which I assume they're using - is required to be downloaded. That's not exactly light, disconnected internet use. [2021-12-03T13:01:01.802Z] *** chaihron (~chaihron@80-110-134-207.static.upcbusiness.at) quit (quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in) [2021-12-03T13:01:40.709Z] *** chaihron (~chaihron@80-110-134-207.static.upcbusiness.at) joined [2021-12-03T13:01:58.653Z] <Arahael> I've been looking at Oculus Quest, it's... Interesting. Actually tempted to get into it. [2021-12-03T13:02:24.494Z] *** unbeatable101 (~Thunderbir@68.71.26.25) joined [2021-12-03T13:04:27.917Z] *** carriunix (~carriunix@h200137199134.ufg.br) quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [2021-12-03T13:30:24.700Z] *** carriunix (~carriunix@189.123.130.249) joined [2021-12-03T13:42:21.144Z] *** hyperreal (hyperreal@envs.net) quit (quit: am leaving for now) [2021-12-03T13:42:48.613Z] *** hyperreal (hyperreal@envs.net) joined [2021-12-03T13:46:31.017Z] <hyperreal> Arahael, maria: have you tried/read about cjdns? 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(*^-^*) [2021-12-03T16:15:39.280Z] <kel> I'm a day late noticing because I don't read posts until the day after as part of my daily digest on my PDA :-) [2021-12-03T16:26:33.979Z] <kel> ew0k: Oh I just noticed that the fourth link in your post is missing the g at the beginning of gemini. [2021-12-03T16:40:47.287Z] <owocean> i didnt thoroughly read the chat above but IPFS does not use blockchain [2021-12-03T16:40:53.345Z] <owocean> its basically just bittorrent 2 [2021-12-03T16:41:14.079Z] <owocean> except there are no trackers and you're forced to seed what you download [2021-12-03T16:41:34.894Z] <owocean> also, everything is identified by a CID (content identifier) rather than a long ass magnet URI [2021-12-03T16:42:08.560Z] <owocean> the "official" ipfs software (ipfs-go) is kind of buggy sometimes but i believe it has potential [2021-12-03T16:44:07.909Z] <hyperreal> owocean: yep, I think they were referring to Zeronet [2021-12-03T16:44:34.315Z] <owocean> ...i dont think zeronet uses blockchain either [2021-12-03T16:45:17.262Z] <owocean> it uses bitcoin cryptography for publishing content, (public-key signing and content addressing) [2021-12-03T16:45:20.840Z] <owocean> but thats it [2021-12-03T16:45:28.440Z] <owocean> doesnt actually talk to the bitcoin network [2021-12-03T16:45:37.371Z] <owocean> uses bittorrent for storing content [2021-12-03T16:49:31.647Z] <owocean> i hate that i cant edit my messages here. when i said "public key signing" i meant public-key cryptography signing, which uses the secret key [2021-12-03T17:04:01.145Z] <hyperreal> owocean: ah I see [2021-12-03T17:04:34.082Z] <hyperreal> I'm currently doing the Tutorials from Protocol Labs [2021-12-03T17:04:45.613Z] <hyperreal> ProtoSchool [2021-12-03T17:05:25.467Z] <epoch> magnets are basically a CID (urn:btih:[hash]) but also include a description and trackers [2021-12-03T17:05:53.508Z] <epoch> the long part of magnets are the trackers [2021-12-03T17:06:08.032Z] *** carriunix (~carriunix@189.123.130.249) quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [2021-12-03T17:14:56.929Z] <left_adjoint> kel: your pda adventures seem really cool. I was talking with an old friend recently about whether we could take an original motorola droid, the kind with the slideout keyboard, and put some terminal only linux on it as a kind of pda [2021-12-03T17:23:17.977Z] <kel> left_adjoint: Good idea! I miss devices having physical keyboards. [2021-12-03T17:23:46.364Z] <kel> I don't know off the top of my head which devices it supports but postmarketOS might be an options? [2021-12-03T17:24:42.328Z] <left_adjoint> Yeah that seemed like the best place to start [2021-12-03T17:25:36.215Z] <left_adjoint> maybe just boot it straight to the terminal, no window manager. it's a massively underpowered device but man it could probably handle that just fine [2021-12-03T17:28:09.114Z] <kel> Definitely. [2021-12-03T17:29:32.649Z] <kel> I think a cool and useful, extremely low-resource PDA interface is possible by tying some terminal apps together. [2021-12-03T17:29:58.539Z] <kel> There's terminal apps for just about anything you'd want a PDA to do. [2021-12-03T17:30:23.347Z] <kel> Calendars, contacts, notes, spreadsheets even. [2021-12-03T17:34:32.533Z] <left_adjoint> right‽ even epub readers [2021-12-03T17:34:38.508Z] <kel> yep [2021-12-03T17:36:08.564Z] <kel> What I think would be cool is some way of tying all these things together. A launcher or something that gives you a visually consistent way to launch apps. [2021-12-03T17:40:37.597Z] *** nihilazo (~nihilazo@2607:f298:5:101d:f816:3eff:fe1a:29a3) joined [2021-12-03T17:44:38.986Z] *** kensanata (~user@2a02:168:4823:0:9c0b:e651:b5d7:2f4f) joined [2021-12-03T17:45:04.177Z] <kel> Of course someone with the right skills and motivation could just write a suite of apps designed to be consistent and function like a PDA specfically for the terminal. [2021-12-03T17:47:30.231Z] <kel> I don't know that there's enough interest in this idea for that to happen though, haha. [2021-12-03T17:59:25.193Z] <left_adjoint> Too much to code and too little time [2021-12-03T18:15:18.087Z] <Seek> is ed25519 still unsupported in some clients? [2021-12-03T18:15:36.707Z] <Seek> or can i use it [2021-12-03T18:15:44.890Z] * Seek doesn't want the chicken and egg problem to result in us having no chickens <3 [2021-12-03T18:18:27.399Z] *** carriunix (~carriunix@189.123.130.249) joined [2021-12-03T18:18:31.039Z] <ew0k> kel: fixed the link! :D Thanks for noticing [2021-12-03T18:18:49.495Z] <ew0k> kel: And you and your gemlog deserve the attention! [2021-12-03T18:23:33.752Z] *** eaplmx (~eaplmx@45.175.252.88) joined [2021-12-03T18:31:09.177Z] *** left_adjoint (~left_adjoi@c-71-237-212-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [2021-12-03T18:34:08.509Z] <maria> hyperreal: i think cjdns does something else. it looks to me more like a routing overlay [2021-12-03T18:36:19.472Z] <maria> Arahael: from what i can gather, ipfs is loosely based on libp2p, which doesn't blockchain [2021-12-03T18:40:02.943Z] *** zephryn (fe93d8363dc@tilde.team) joined [2021-12-03T18:53:04.176Z] <dece> Seek: most clients rely on system libraries for TLS, so it's more often a matter of the user's system age, i guess? [2021-12-03T18:53:26.612Z] *** left_adjoint (~left_adjoi@2607:fb90:339e:563d:583f:b4ff:fe21:21dd) joined [2021-12-03T18:53:38.687Z] <dece> i like the idea of the stupidest devices being able to do gemini, so i'm not using edxxxxx but i understand the appeal! 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