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So, saying that vaccination should be primarily and aggressively focused on people with comorbilities can be "misinformation" but saying that booster jabs "massively" strengthen bodys's defense against covid is completely accuarate and acceptable.
I think we are really getting into a point of no return here, i'm actually seriously worried about all this.
> So, saying that vaccination should be primarily and aggressively focused on people with comorbilities can be "misinformation"
Eh? That's not misinformation and has been the policy of most governments, more or less. Now, it would be misinformation to suggest that it doesn't need to be given to anyone else.
> but saying that booster jabs "massively" strengthen bodys's defense against covid is completely accuarate and acceptable.
That is what the studies say (obviously, 'massively' is editorialisation).
I'm not sure what your point is, here?
The vaccine initially 90%+ protection was so good we were all going to be "free", amazing...
The vaccines as they are would have been perfectly fine if the wild type of SARS-Cov2 were everything we had to deal with. At least you seem to be referring to that because of the level of efficacy you mention. Unfortunately the pesky Delta variant appeared and threw a spanner in our works. Now there is the Omicron variant which seems to be even more infectious.
As much as I understand that people would prefer if the world were simple and solutions obvious but it just not is this way. It's messy and things change and that means that yesteryear's statements just might no longer be true. We need to deal with that and please do not make things more complicated than they are anyways already.
plus if there was actually something bad in the first two doses, how else are they going to undo the damage without a third shot? After all yesteryear's treatment might no longer be a treatment at all and we might need to deal with that as things turn out to be more complicated than "Two weeks to flatten the curve".
"It's messy and things change and that means that yesteryear's statements just might no longer be true. "
Trust the experts, but dont hold them to anything that would be wrong!
Versus the variants available at the time, yes. Unfortunately, the people running the studies couldn't get the budget for a time machine to see what would be happening in late 2021.
Note that the possibility of future variants was certainly raised at the time; it was never any secret that this was an evolving situation.
It initially was 90%+ protection.
Yep. Getting boosted (getting a booster) confers secondary immune response. The initial jabs only confer primary immune response.
See this for more info:
https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Book%3A_...
I find the use of "primary" and "secondary immune response" to be misleading. FWIW
"As Hopkins Medicines suggests, the third dose of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines- Pfizer and Moderna- is *identical* to its first two doses. "[emphasis mine]
From
https://www.republicworld.com/technology-news/science/is-pfi...
So what kind of response are we going to get from the next booster shots that have already been announced? The tertiary immune response?
We don't know if an omicron specific booster will actually work due to something called "Original Antigenic Sin". For more information, consult this:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S08968...
If you are eligible for a booster, then you should get one ASAP. The original coronavirus vaccine antibodies present in your body will cross-react, to a certain degree, with omicron.
Grain of salt please...thanks for the info politicalwire.com
In all seriousness though, how can the left argue against politicizing the pandemic when their past operatives, now publishers are pushing "chosen" studies and "accepted" viewpoints while at the same time shutting down any dissenting voices?
Does a one paragraph, one sided news article do anything more than foment more division between the two extreme camps and amplify their respective voices?
And just my two cents for the people arguing that unvaccinated people are crowding out hospitals preventing other treatments and surgeries, the same governments bringing in these draconian mandates are still permitting and taxing tobacco sales which burden their healthcare systems as much if not more.
And just my two cents on for the people who agree with my last paragraph but still smoke, tobacco products have warned against disease for years...Why would You continue to consume a product that has been proven without a doubt to make You sick and eventually kill You while at the same time reject a treatment that might protect You?
Imagine needing to get boosters every 3 months and being so insane you think its working....
I mean, hopefully we don't end up in that situation, but it would still clearly be better than _not_ having the boosters, if what's where we do end up.