đŸ’Ÿ Archived View for dioskouroi.xyz â€ș thread â€ș 29392041 captured on 2021-11-30 at 20:18:30. Gemini links have been rewritten to link to archived content

View Raw

More Information

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

A Review of “The Man Who Solved the Market”

Author: finite_jest

Score: 92

Comments: 84

Date: 2021-11-30 13:50:19

Web Link

________________________________________________________________________________

huitzitziltzin wrote at 2021-11-30 14:59:06:

Nice review of what sounds like an interesting book.

One small objection: "Cleaning data is the fundamental task that defines data science as a role: statisticians and economists buy clean data from somebody."

Man I wish. I spent more than a year of my PhD (cumulatively and not all at once) cleaning various kinds of data. I joked w/ an adviser once that I thought I had signed up for an economics PhD but it turned out I was getting a PhD in data cleaning.

Finding pre-cleaned, nice data for a project is like finding a $100 bill on the street. Doesn't happen.

bko wrote at 2021-11-30 18:08:17:

I really liked the book. I wrote my own review trying to dissect their secret sauce and I believe it to be their data pipeline. The focused on it from the very beginning and wasn't sexy at all. From the book:

> Piecing together a custom-built database, Straus purchased historic commodity-price data on magnetic tape from an Indiana-based firm called Dunn & Hargitt, then merged it with the historic information others in the firm already had amassed. ... Using an Apple II computer, Straus and others wrote a program to collect and store their growing data trove.

> Over time, Straus and his colleagues created and discovered additional historical pricing data, helping Ax develop new predictive

models relying on Carmona’s suggestions. Some of the weekly stocktrading data they’d later find went back as far as the 1800s, reliable

information almost no one else had access to. At the time, the team couldn’t do much with the data, but the ability to search history to

see how markets reacted to unusual events would later help Simons’s team build models to profit from market collapses and other

unexpected events, helping the firm trounce markets during those periods.

They also took market prices as nearly devoid of real life meaning. I was originally very skeptical of this approach as it requires immense discipline and rigor to avoid data mining. You see economists do that where they create a signal for something like the 23 month lag of GDP. Why 23 month lag? Because 1-22 were insignificant. But they seem to get away with it due to their strong academic background.

> Here’s what was really unique: The paper didn’t try to identify or predict these states using economic theory or other conventional methods, nor did the researchers seek to address why the market entered certain states. Simons and his colleagues used mathematics to determine the set of states best fitting the observed pricing data; their model then made its bets accordingly. The whys didn’t matter, Simons and his colleagues seemed to suggest, just the strategies to take advantage of the inferred states.

https://mleverything.substack.com/p/how-renaissance-technolo...

Mc91 wrote at 2021-11-30 17:43:39:

I met a Renaissance guy at a party once. His description of data cleaning was "it's like you have a pile of gold bars buried beneath a couple of tons of shit".

netizen-936824 wrote at 2021-11-30 15:20:58:

I started doing some work with ML models and immediately realised that around 80-90% of my code was dedicated entirely to data cleaning and preparation. Glad I got some practice before diving into a PhD honetly

mgaunard wrote at 2021-11-30 15:03:31:

So the article basically says that programmers are perfectionist jerks and you shouldn't hire them.

Too bad programmers are actually the ones you need the most. Trading is mostly a technical problem, which requires a technical organization to be solved well. You're not going to be successful if you only hire MBA types and cannot build a culture of technological excellence.

professor_v wrote at 2021-11-30 15:59:10:

The article was talking about the first computer science guy in a team of mathematicians. I don't know if mathematicians should be called technical, but they're hardly MBA types.

drewcoo wrote at 2021-11-30 16:10:07:

It lost me with the first line. How does this make sense? Did word definitions shift on me again?

Most systematic hedge funds are a racket; they either got lucky, or have a strategy that only works in one market regime.

Kranar wrote at 2021-11-30 16:25:24:

Are you objecting to the word racket? Most hedge funds are not legally fraudulent, but they are fraudulent in that they sell an expensive product that is by pretty much all measure worse than the cheap off-the-shelf product.

Selling ion bracelets to give you increased energy is not legal fraud either, but most people would say it's a fraud nonetheless. The same goes for most hedge funds.

FredPret wrote at 2021-11-30 18:30:44:

It’s not really that simple. Some funds outperform the market consistently (BRK isn’t a hedge fund but is a good example of outperformance) Others stick to their name and hedge against certain things.

It’s so hard to truly evaluate performance by all metrics, it might as well be impossible.

For the average person, the best way is probably to stick their money in the S&P 500 and forget about it. But what about outliers, like founders with 95% of their wealth in company x? They might want to hedge their bets as it were.

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:11:55:

I believe he is trying to say that most multi-market hedge funds (systemic hedge funds) are a fraud because the models that get generated typically only work in the market that the data modelling was done for.

melling wrote at 2021-11-30 15:12:48:

“Ed Thorpe’s Princeton Newport and its successor 
”

He’s been at it for decades. What did Ed figure out half a century ago?

Btw, Ed’s a math guy also:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_O._Thorp

AS37 wrote at 2021-11-30 15:16:07:

Bet sizing, maybe? It's certainly destroyed some big funds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_O._Thorp#Bibliography

auntienomen wrote at 2021-11-30 17:06:24:

Thorpe didn't have much success in stat arb after Princeton Newport was broken up. TGS did. I'm not sure I'd credit Thorpe with whatever they were doing.

balsam wrote at 2021-11-30 14:52:55:

They should absolutely get Tom Hardy to play Jim Simons. Who to play De Kapitein, then?

kranke155 wrote at 2021-11-30 14:50:57:

This book is phenomenal and it also charts why Bob Mercer has become so dangerous to American democracy, so quickly - because after acquiring SCL group (the umbrella for Cambridge Analytica and AggregateIQ, who worked with Trump/Bannon/Brexit), he has a cognitive warfare firm that’s essentially funded ad infinitum by Renaissance Tech. constant money machine.

The Ai solved markets from Renaissance have given one of their top members effectively infinite influence over the political landscape, because he doesn’t need to do anything anymore to keep the AÍ printing machine going.

sflicht wrote at 2021-11-30 18:03:09:

> he doesn’t need to do anything anymore to keep the AÍ [money?] printing machine going

This betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how systematic trading strategies differ from some other ML problems. It's an adversarial, nonstationary environment. The same strategies don't just keep working indefinitely. (Not to mention the fact that maintaining any complex production software system requires an enormous amount of work, even completely ignoring the need to keep developing new alpha. For instance, consider the case when certain oil prices went briefly negative in 2020 -- even if _your_ software was so perfect that it was unaffected by that event [hah!] remember that many of the counterparties you actually trade with may not have been as clever. This is just one small example. as markets evolve, they will find ways to turn up new bugs in your code.)

kranke155 wrote at 2021-11-30 18:13:44:

I am aware of it being an adversarial environment, but right now they are on top and they can afford the “maintenance” fees on keeping the machine going, probably with a lot of the top AÍ talent that’s available to recruit (considering their earnings). Mercer himself can just live off the earnings.

mikevm wrote at 2021-11-30 16:15:29:

I guess we need someone to counteract Soros, don't we?

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:34:28:

So the opposite of using your money to promote civil society and fund education is to help steal elections?

cryptica wrote at 2021-11-30 16:25:12:

I could never get into serious trading because current markets are irrational. Being a good trader these days is not about knowing what's going on; it's about being irrational in the same way as the most irrational rich fools... But it's difficult to tell which group of rich fools you should imitate. Which completely insane narrative will become the new reality? There seems to be no method to the madness. It's just plain madness.

I'm kind of diversified right now. Some of my money is in value-adding businesses and some is in speculative crypto ranging from "This project has potential" to "This project is 100% hype-based and has no viable technological future but could be big financially because insanity is becoming a reliable trend."

mccorrinall wrote at 2021-11-30 17:25:47:

Engineers can determine the cause of a bridge collapse because there’s agreement that if a certain amount of force is applied to a certain area, that area will break. Physics isn’t controversial. It’s guided by laws. Finance is different. It’s guided by people’s behaviors. And how I behave might make sense to me but look crazy to you.

Morgan Housel. The Psychology of Money.

Mikeb85 wrote at 2021-11-30 19:48:38:

Trading has little to do with financial or economic models. And it definitely can be irrational.

But it can be predictable if you can predict the behaviour of other traders, because price is determined by supply and demand for the asset. The underlying value is a small part of determining how other traders will value it.

EricE wrote at 2021-11-30 21:51:31:

lol - you left out emotion. If traders were only motivated by pure supply/demand. Ha!

Mikeb85 wrote at 2021-11-30 23:33:37:

Price is determined by supply/demand. Traders are _motivated_ by cocaine and memes...

j9461701 wrote at 2021-11-30 14:46:00:

People who raise hell with OSHA because the CEO is a heavy smoker: jerks.

That doesn't seem jerkish. Second hand smoke in the work place is bad for everyone.

hardwaregeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:57:35:

Yeah the author has a very uncharitable view towards Magerman. You can disagree with his political actions but I don't think he came off as a jerk, as much as someone who was aware of the old boys club nature of RenTech and wanted to change it.

treeman79 wrote at 2021-11-30 16:09:02:

Ugh. I recall the thick yellow sludge in the computers at a new job in 90s where everyone chain smoked. I asked how many years old it was. “Six months”

Promptly gave 2 weeks notice in.

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 15:29:23:

I wandered through the rest of the blog. What an amazing asshat. He should be on display somewhere. His rant about US health issues[1] is breathtaking.

What sort of person begins a description of autism like this?

Autism. I’m not sure this doesn’t fall into the category of “insanity.” It may also have something to do with hormonal disruption. Either way, the fact that some huge fraction of the population who thinks they don’t have to be kind and thoughtful to others because “muh disability.”

I don't want to read the biography he is referring to but I do want to read a psych profile of Scott Locklin. He is the platonic ideal of a cranky, covid-denying asshat.

[1]

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2021/11/20/us-public-heal...

dang wrote at 2021-11-30 22:46:21:

Please don't take HN threads on offtopic flamewar tangents. That's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

Edit: And boy was this a doozy. Not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

asmos7 wrote at 2021-11-30 16:54:23:

you should spend sometime in special education classrooms in America. You'd be shocked what is considered a disability. You have to realize once you have a documented disability it opens up things like lifelong disability payments.

Imagine you have an E student, 16 years old. You have major anxiety over the thought of supporting them for the remainder of your life as it seems unlikely they'll ever be able to able to hold a job/achieve financial independence. Disability can be your ticket and parents hire what's know in the industry as advocates who you guessed it advocate for their student to be labeled and receive support for having a disability. I can tell you it's a surefire way to ensure your child receives passing grades w/ out doing anything at all b/c you can relabel the lack of effort as due to their disability.

It's akin to drug addicts learning the in's and out's of the hospital system to receive pain medications. Pain has a lot of wiggle room and ppl will milk it just they like do disabilities.

bko wrote at 2021-11-30 18:00:50:

I just looked it up and the number of kids on disability started to skyrocket in the early 90s. In 1980 there were about 260k kids on disability. By 1990, there was ~300k kids on disability. In 2000 there was nearly 900k.

> Let's imagine that happens. Jahleel starts doing better in school, overcomes some of his disabilities. He doesn't need the disability program anymore. That would seem to be great for everyone, except for one thing: It would threaten his family's livelihood. Jahleel's family primarily survives off the monthly $700 check they get for his disability.

https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

sjg007 wrote at 2021-11-30 20:56:10:

You should read the rebuttals to the NPR piece which I think is one of the worst reports NPR has ever done. The journalist should have done better research. This was something I would expect out of a conservative think tank and completely missed the boat.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/04/18/177745599/form...

asmos7 wrote at 2021-11-30 18:12:03:

I mean yea - another way to look at is if you're making $700 per month doing nothing you'd need make at least $701 to even consider from a pure economic perspective - realistically more like $1000+ to be motivated enough to go to work.

So many will write that off but then you have the a ha moment of what if I do work under the table so that's what you do - best of both worlds free money and extra cash. Problem obviously is a lot of ppl choose illegal options especially considering how profitable they are.

mason55 wrote at 2021-11-30 19:00:03:

> _Imagine you have an E student, 16 years old ... it seems unlikely they'll ever be able to able to hold a job/achieve financial independence._

I'm confused; that sounds like a disability to me. If someone loses the genetic lottery and can't hold a job or achieve financial independence then that does seem like a pretty good use of disability funds. What is the alternative?

Maybe I misunderstood.

alienbeast wrote at 2021-11-30 20:35:29:

I think, in this example, the student isn't medically disabled, but is just a lazy nogoodnik who hangs out on YCombinator all day instead of studying.

irishloop wrote at 2021-11-30 17:16:23:

Even if all of this is true, it doesn't disprove the existence of autism as a legitimate disability or diagnosis.

sjg007 wrote at 2021-11-30 20:21:01:

You have no idea what you are talking about and frankly your understanding of special education and people with disabilities is obscene.

Schools aren't necessarily even the best place to get that help and that's a big problem despite the provisions of the IDEA or your local state laws and programs.

emmelaich wrote at 2021-11-30 18:53:28:

Anything that can be gamed will be gamed. It's a hard problem.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/a-complex-problem-riches...

> _High-fee private schools are claiming the most HSC disability provisions despite the independent sector having the fewest students with special needs, as new data shows claims increased by a third in the last four years_

HSC is the Higher School Certificate, the highest secondary school examination in this state.

burkaman wrote at 2021-11-30 19:24:38:

It might be a hard problem, but I think we can all agree the solution is not to declare that autism is fake and anyone claiming to be autistic is just an asshole.

sjg007 wrote at 2021-11-30 20:13:07:

Autism is actually hard to fake and requires a diagnosis.

h2odragon wrote at 2021-11-30 15:52:40:

see also:

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2021/08/12/things-the-est...

aside from the "COVID denying", he's also refreshingly unwilling to bow to the trend towards dilution of language in favor of obfuscation of meaning. Direct and entertaining rants have their place and he's good at them.

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:10:18:

What is it about the scientific method and changing your advice based on new evidence is so difficult for some people to understand?

> The same dipshits who now think you should wear a mask while outside by yourself insisted that they were ineffective, because they knew the mask factories had long since been outsourced to China, and they wanted those masks for hospital worker to have while doing tiktoc videos. Now we have to wear them forever, because muh consensus or something.

Wow

pdonis wrote at 2021-11-30 20:14:44:

The mask advice didn't change because of any new evidence. It changed because the public health authorities stopped being worried about health care providers not having enough PPE. The real problem was that in the first place, instead of lying and saying masks did not work (which they knew was false at the time), they should have said "Yes, masks work, but the highest risk people are health care workers so we are using the government's eminent domain power to commandeer supplies of PPE until we know all health care workers have enough, so until that happens it will be very difficult for private individuals to obtain masks."

Kranar wrote at 2021-11-30 16:15:21:

Because there was no new evidence, the only thing that changed were the incentives. The evidence was always there and most of the rest of the world that didn't suffer from mask shortages recommended wearing masks and made them readily available for their residents. The countries that were not prepared for this decided it was best to lie and spread misinformation that masks don't work, or people are too stupid to put a mask on properly, or that there's nothing to be concerned about in the hopes that COVID would not be a long term global lockdown type of pandemic.

Whatever disagreement you might have about the author of this website, don't give a pass to the people who were at the helm during this pandemic. They failed the public along numerous basic metrics and that doesn't change simply because this author may or may not be an asshole.

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:26:04:

> Because there was no new evidence...

But there was. The WHO recommendations, which I assume is what he is referring to, were based initially on data that suggested an non-aerosol transmission and then evidence was produced that lead to the theory of aerosol transmission.

One can certainly criticize the WHO and other health organizations for moving too slowly but the issue I am referring to isn't that.

There is a general tendency on the right to point to changing advice as some sort of proof of a conspiracy or idiocy on the part of the health officials. I see it all the time (as a daily lark I read Gab) and it points to an obvious lack of understanding on the part of a large part of the population (deliberate or not) about how science works on a fairly fundamental level.

SuoDuanDao wrote at 2021-11-30 16:50:48:

It's not just changing advice. It's refusal to acknowledge the false certainty with which the original advice was given, and that undermines any reason to trust the certainty with which current advice is being given.

If the WHO had said in the early days 'We're 55% certain masks do more harm than good' and then said 'we've looked at more data and are now 60% certain masks do more good than harm', I doubt many of us would be clowning them to the degree we are. It's the fact they spoke as if they had 100% certainty in one direction and then as if they had 100% certainty in the other that gives the impression these people don't know what they're doing.

Kranar wrote at 2021-11-30 16:36:35:

Aerosol transmission is not the only reason to wear a mask and in fact most masks that people wear including surgical masks do not provide great protection against aerosol transmission, you need an N95 mask for that.

It was always known, even prior to COVID and by the WHO (who posted as much on their website), that coronaviruses spread via respiratory droplets and that's what most masks are effective at protecting against.

snowwrestler wrote at 2021-11-30 16:52:22:

Because coronaviruses spread through droplets, there was concern that touch would be a significant vector of transmission. Droplets will land somewhere; then what?

If the virus could persist viably on surfaces, handling a soiled mask properly would be absolutely critical to getting any benefit from it, and handling it improperly would be risky. People wiped down their groceries for the same reason.

With the benefit of real data, we now know that touch is a negligible vector. The novel coronavirus does not persist viably for long on any surface. So masks are an excellent trade off.

pdonis wrote at 2021-11-30 20:16:56:

_> If the virus could persist viably on surfaces, handling a soiled mask properly would be absolutely critical to getting any benefit from it, and handling it improperly would be risky._

That's not a reason to tell people that masks don't work. It's a reason to tell people that masks _do_ work, provided you take precautions A, B, and C. And you should also say _why_ those precautions are necessary--because of the assumed risk of touch transmission--so people can apply common sense, since no amount of advice from a central authority can possibly cover all individual cases.

finite_jest wrote at 2021-11-30 17:13:58:

This is obviously off-topic, and has nothing to do with the submitted article's content. [1] But the ship of keeping this on-topic has already sailed, so I might as well add my two cents: Fauci himself said the reason they discouraged people from wearing masks was that "it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply". [2] There is a utilitarian argument for white lies, but public health officials did lie categorically.

[1]: I have flagged the woke-scolding comment which started the digression; likely to no avail as it matches the biases of the egregore.

[2]: Fauci's interview with The Street:

https://archive.ph/T4uZI#selection-809.0-813.507

burnished wrote at 2021-11-30 18:02:48:

>> [1]: I have flagged the woke-scolding comment which started the digression; likely to no avail as it matches the biases of the egregore.

You should probably look up dang's statements about this sentiment because its pretty funny how frequently this gets dragged out from literally anyone who feels disagreed with and hes got a nice rant about it.

finite_jest wrote at 2021-11-30 19:18:13:

:-) Is it this one? ->

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870

burnished wrote at 2021-11-30 21:34:19:

Yes! It even has the search link to the other times he has responded to it. Thanks for finding that :)

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:29:49:

> They failed the public along numerous basic metrics and that doesn't change simply because this author may or may not be an asshole.

Asshat. I think he has far too much understanding of his basic character flaws and limitations to be an asshole. Its what makes his commentary especially wonderful. He isn't some ignorant asshole who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. He seems to know how smart he is and what his failings are but it doesn't stop him.

His frequent use of 'muh' speaks to a very elitist and classist view of modern society that has to come from, I assume, some sort of rural or less sophisticated upbringing of his.

Unlike hatebags who write for Breitbart or Infowars this guy is a wonderful combination of contradictions, insight and sheer bile.

Its f*$king breathtaking.

mcguire wrote at 2021-11-30 19:32:47:

Calling people names as a form of argumentation is very rarely wonderful.

jollybean wrote at 2021-11-30 16:48:45:

You don't need new evidence to come to a new understanding of policy measures.

We were worried about supply chains, and then we weren't.

In a supply chain constraint, Doctors get masks, because they need them.

Beyond that, the general population for whom masks are marginally useful, can have them.

Because 'masks are a policy' then we have to wear them in certain environments with strict oversight, I think this has led some people to believe that they are some kind if 'important tool' when of course they are not, they're just a small measure, but an important one in the aggregate.

The author is perfectly within his rights to be curmudgeon, but he's not very reasonable in his argumentation, he's more or less venting and name calling, which is unfortunately the reality of most of the anti-vaxx populism: there are very few well orchestrated skeptic arguments.

paganel wrote at 2021-11-30 19:51:31:

> your advice based on new evidence is

Because based on that old evidence that seemed so sure at a certain moment in time the lives of hundreds of millions of people were negatively affected (lockdowns, job losses etc), so one could forgive a part of those people for not giving a damn about the evidence subsequently changing and we being closer to the truth, in a scientific way.

Almost no-one cares about science, even the majority of people who materially support science by giving scientists money don't care about science (most of them have ulterior motives, like the ability to militarily be superior relative to their foes based on said science, or the ability to gain even more money compared to what they put in etc), long story short almost nobody really cares about science in the way that (some) scientists do, i.e. getting us closer to the "truth" (whatever that "truth" is).

In that respect, telling those hundreds of millions of people something like "but, you see, we were doing science when we were negatively affecting your lives based on evidence that proved out to be further to the truth compared to the evidence that we have now" means, in the best case scenario, that you're taunting them, in the worst case, that you're taking those millions of people for utter fools that should just sit like ducks in the way of science.

slig wrote at 2021-11-30 18:34:15:

For instance:

>If you’re capable of writing a makefile, you’re capable of learning how to behave in public in a way that doesn’t make people want to fling you from the roof.

paganel wrote at 2021-11-30 20:21:04:

Following a link from his "Stuff I like" page I also found this excellent blog-post [1] about the modern-day corporate antitrust industry, the author reminds me of Christopher Lasch and his writings on (good) populism that can still save our (Western world) democratic system (or the most important principles supporting it). For example I didn't know this fact:

> In 1931, Jackson, the last Supreme Court not to graduate from law school

which I found pretty interesting, especially as he was pretty instrumental in implementing some important New Deal stuff (I'm not and American and as such many of those facts were knew to me):

> Jackson, a country lawyer from upstate New York, became one of the central lawyers in the New Deal, resurrecting the Antitrust Division in 1937 and a few years later sitting on the Supreme Court

[1]

https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/the-big-law-cartel-how-an...

jl2718 wrote at 2021-11-30 18:11:59:

Bookmarked for review later. Can’t wait to get all steamed up about something some guy said.

slig wrote at 2021-11-30 18:25:01:

I use twitter for that.

jl2718 wrote at 2021-11-30 18:33:08:

We need a new acronym for this. Candidates:

AaaS: anger as a service

PoaaS: pissed-off as a service

We could try other emotions, but this seems to be the biggest addressable market.

smnrchrds wrote at 2021-11-30 20:02:09:

I thought we already had a word: doomscrolling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomscrolling

slig wrote at 2021-11-30 18:49:55:

Another suggestion:

CaaS: Cortisol as a service

kache_ wrote at 2021-11-30 16:31:06:

Does that have anything to do with this blog post in particular? I would wager your comment is off topic

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:32:48:

That depends on whether the original post was about the book review or about him :-)

I think you are correct though that I am wildly off-topic but when one discovers something like this you really need to point it out.

xibalba wrote at 2021-11-30 16:31:47:

Reminder of the HN Guidelines [1]:

"Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."

[1]

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Certhas wrote at 2021-11-30 17:37:57:

This is a direct quote from the blog:

"The main upside to all this for me anyway is middle aged to old men like me have giant cocks compared to 20-somethings because we weren’t exposed to this shit in the womb. Of course most of the 20-something year old American women are obese and mentally ill anyway, so it’s a wash."

How do you appropriately comment on something like this? Other than to point out that this is not someone worth having a conversation with? And yet this blog hits the front page,and therefore requires engagement of some sort. Pretending, against all evidence, that you are engaged in a good faith, curiosity driven conversation when faced with stuff like this does not seem like an appropriate, rational strategy to me.

exolymph wrote at 2021-11-30 19:37:14:

I'm a 20-something woman and I'm not offended by that. He's using hyperbole for effect, obviously. Don't take everything you read personally; very rarely is it intended as such.

> And yet this blog hits the front page,and therefore requires engagement of some sort.

It really doesn't. If someone's writing bothers you, just move on with your life. I promise that railing against this dude will not stop him from blogging.

EricE wrote at 2021-11-30 21:46:59:

I'm not sure this much common sense is appropriate for the Internet; thank you for trying to inject some much needed perspective.

I don't know how people like the OP and many others in this thread have the energy to be constantly offended and wound up over so many things utterly out of their control. Nor how anyone that has to live with them can put up with it too.

newbie789 wrote at 2021-11-30 20:39:50:

People have a fascinating tendency to blindly defend people that are perceived to be rich or academically gifted. I see it very often on Twitter and here on HN.

Considering that this entire article is nothing but some guy’s _opinions_, I think that a post like the following would be fully germane and on-topic:

“I get the distinct impression that this guy thinks very highly of himself, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a good chunk of his worldview exists solely as a collection of subjective ‘truths’ that serve only to prop up his massive ego.

Some people have an inability to distinguish between the behavior of a smart person and the behavior of a blowhard asshole. This can lead to the very embarrassing tendency to defend or mimic blowhard assholes because they think maybe that they will be perceived as more intelligent by doing so, or _even more embarrassingly_ some folks might actually think that by publicly agreeing with this guy’s ridiculous stances that maybe they’ll get noticed and let into some imaginary Cool Kids Club where they can rub elbows with the Financial Elites.

Neither are really the case. Scott Locklin isn’t going to Kramer into this thread and hire folks that post in agreement with him about COVID or mental health or whatever, nor are the posters defending this stupid asshole[1] coming off as Big Brain Geniuses.

I did not care for this review, and I do not care for his opinions about anything, really. I wasn’t aware that this book existed and the subject matter sounds vaguely interesting, I’ll put it on my maybe list.”

[1] Yes. It’s entirely possible to be good at math _and_ still be an insufferably stupid asshole. That might be the only thing Scott and I agree on, though I suspect that from his perspective that doesn’t apply to him, Mr. Big Brain Genius.

inkblotuniverse wrote at 2021-11-30 18:04:33:

Average penis size has shrunk, though, right? And obesity does have negative effects on pregnancy, and you'd rather your mother weren't mentally ill.

Obesity's definitely exploded over the last 60 years.

(Isn't obesity in 20-30 y.o. women in america above 50%?)

What's wrong with what he's said, here?

teachrdan wrote at 2021-11-30 18:14:20:

> Of course most of the 20-something year old American women are obese and mentally ill anyway

Do you not recognize this as misogynist? I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

throwaway2331 wrote at 2021-11-30 19:40:57:

Yes, in the upper middle class bubble this is misogynist.

Everywhere else -- that doesn't require one to adhere to trends in order to survive -- this is just a histrionic take.

Scott is lambasting both sexes, so he gets a pass as a conflict-seeking goblin speaking his mind.

Or perhaps we've been too sheltered for far too long that this is what the "real" world is like?

Impossible to discern; we are a reflection of our environment.

pixelgeek wrote at 2021-11-30 16:35:43:

I am quite serious in my praise for this blog. It is breathtaking. I disagree with almost everything he says but I am still reading it.

slibhb wrote at 2021-11-30 17:56:54:

I believe the author was banned from HN a while back.

I find his bluntness funny and somewhat admirable, where I disagree with him and not. Might be a regional thing, we're both New Englanders.

tptacek wrote at 2021-11-30 18:00:47:

Is calling Mississippi "Amerikwaanza" a New England thing?

slibhb wrote at 2021-11-30 18:04:18:

No but not getting offended by it or laughing at the absurdity of it might be.

temporaryi3 wrote at 2021-11-30 15:51:08:

Politeness > accuracy & honestly is a very common preference, but not mine.

dahak27 wrote at 2021-11-30 16:07:12:

You can be honest and accurate without being needlessly nasty/mocking as the quote seems to be

Your sentiment is a really common and insidious one that way too many people use to feel smug and "rational" about being mean

jollybean wrote at 2021-11-30 16:42:28:

People are allowed to be blunt and even curmudgeon, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just one of the many dispositions we can assume. That's diversity. This is a personal blog and it's totally reasonable the he takes this posture, it's slightly refreshing. If this were a public intellectual being taken seriously, or if he had a huge audience, then there would be more scrutiny, but otherwise he's just a guy with an odd way of communicating with a small soap-box on a small corner. It's fine.

EricE wrote at 2021-11-30 21:48:37:

> That's diversity.

Careful - you'll cause some heads to explode before they can retreat to their safe spaces...

intro-b wrote at 2021-11-30 23:00:25:

Based.

ska wrote at 2021-11-30 17:20:49:

> " Politeness > accuracy & honestly "

These concept are pretty much orthogonal. While I don't disagree that insistence on politeness can get in the way of good discourse, it is an all-to-common mistake to read or promote _lack_ of politeness as a signal of honesty and accuracy - which manifestly isn't the case.

It's also often done in a lazy way. Which doesn't imply the thinking is also lazy, but there is a good correlation.

serverholic wrote at 2021-11-30 19:01:56:

In practice they are far from orthogonal.

ska wrote at 2021-11-30 19:26:00:

That doesn't match my experience at all, and I suspect it isn't unusual.

bensouthworth wrote at 2021-11-30 18:36:47:

You need an editor. It was impossible to read, it felt a like a bunch of notes written as you read it. That's fine, but do not call it a review. The RE, the after, the post,the after, this is poor. Sorry.