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Clothes from 8k Years Ago Were Made from Trees, New Research Suggests

Author: diodorus

Score: 46

Comments: 33

Date: 2021-11-27 19:15:11

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kwelstr wrote at 2021-11-29 12:01:14:

This is interesting, they were using bast fibers from oak trees, or fibers that sit between the bark and wood of the tree. They are soft fibers that can be collected and weaved into cloth.

Wikipedia has an article (1) and pictures of modern bast fiber weaving in Norway.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bast_fibre

ncmncm wrote at 2021-11-29 19:27:36:

Polynesians have long made "tapa" or "kapa" cloth from mulberry bark. It involved a great deal of hammering using a custom stone hammer with a flat face a couple inches wide and maybe 8 inches long, with a grooved surface. I expect the bark was laid over a flattened log.

Tagbert wrote at 2021-11-29 17:18:17:

Those same bast fibers from western red cedar trees were used by native people in the US Pacific Northwest area for clothing. Hats and cloaks were common. The clothes have a texture like soft paper and are water repellent.

ncmncm wrote at 2021-11-29 17:26:38:

The idea that 7000 BCE is "shortly after the last ice age" is funny. We could as well say the present day is shortly after Julius Caesar was assassinated in front of the Roman Senate.

Something that _really is_ coincident with the end of the last ice age (technically, the end of the 1200-year Younger Dryas cold spell brought on by a bolide strike on the North American ice sheet) is Gobekli Tepe. That was, thus, built some 2000 years before this fabric was made. The 200m sea level rise that started ~20kya was ending about then, with the final bits of what had been the Persian Gulf river valley filling in.

ncmncm wrote at 2021-11-29 19:31:53:

Just to be clear, the last bit of sea level rise was coincident with this cloth's manufacture.

Arun2009 wrote at 2021-11-29 16:34:18:

One often comes across the term "valkala" in Indian scriptures, which means clothes made of tree bark, usually in the context of asceticism. E.g., see here:

https://sanskritdictionary.org/valkala

Apparently, someone wrote a paper about it: "Barkcloth in India-Sanskrit Valkala",

https://www.jstor.org/stable/597920

waltbosz wrote at 2021-11-29 15:23:12:

Totally off-topic observation: I find it curious that OP changed headline from "8000" to "8k". My scanning eyes converted 8k into a measurement of money/data, instead of one of time.

CapitalistCartr wrote at 2021-11-29 15:28:45:

Editing title to fit in HN's 80 character limit. He got this down to 69.

ggm wrote at 2021-11-29 11:30:21:

Because long sheets are available so you don't have to invent weaving? Or because the bast is long staple and can be spun? Bark "tapa" cloth is beaten into sheet form in Oceania and like places.

truculent wrote at 2021-11-29 11:38:04:

See also:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkcloth

MoSattler wrote at 2021-11-29 12:00:02:

For desktop:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkcloth

truculent wrote at 2021-11-29 15:06:24:

Thank you

67868fdav324 wrote at 2021-11-29 13:27:22:

I guess at some point after the ice retreated, people started to get too hot into their leather clothes, so this came in handy.

Just imagine being at 30° with leather jacket + pants pursuing some damn fast animal for a couple of miles. You NEED lighter clothes.

pif wrote at 2021-11-29 14:46:46:

At 30° you do not need clothes at all.

CountDrewku wrote at 2021-11-29 14:49:35:

I'd argue that having some light clothing to wick away moisture is better than wearing your birthday suit. Additionally having a bit of protection for certain parts is a good idea when you're running through brush and doing things that are likely to do abrasive things to your skin.

pif wrote at 2021-11-30 14:50:30:

Yes, you're right.

KineticLensman wrote at 2021-11-29 15:25:02:

Yes. Clothes also provide pockets and attachment points

bdcravens wrote at 2021-11-29 14:47:29:

86 degrees for the Fahrenheit-ers :-)

pueblito wrote at 2021-11-27 20:08:10:

Polynesians make fabric from trees so this isn’t very surprising to me

omnicognate wrote at 2021-11-29 11:58:52:

I'm wearing bamboo socks right now.

resoluteteeth wrote at 2021-11-29 12:21:13:

Bamboo fabrics are rayon and I don't think that process would have been possible before modern technology so it's a bit different.

bdcravens wrote at 2021-11-29 14:51:57:

It's less common, but there's also a lyocell process for bamboo. (I have sheets and towels that are bamboo lyocell, and they feel amazing) It's also likely only possible using modern technology, but it is far more environmentally friendly than bamboo rayon (aka viscose).

omnicognate wrote at 2021-11-29 13:33:04:

Yeah, modern bamboo fabric is rayon. Bamboo fabric has been around for thousands of years, apparently, but stiff stuff, not suitable for clothing.

gusgus01 wrote at 2021-11-29 12:04:08:

Technically, bamboo is a grass.

ravenstine wrote at 2021-11-29 17:46:15:

Technically, there's no taxonomic group for trees. Palms are grasses too but are considered trees. Though I suppose bamboo doesn't fit into the concept of what a tree is depending on how one looks at it.

mythrwy wrote at 2021-11-29 20:35:52:

Both palms and grasses are monocots (only one seed leaf as opposed to two and parallel veins as opposed to the type of veins you might see on an oak leaf).

Palms are not members of the grass family (Poaceae) though.

yosito wrote at 2021-11-29 13:02:51:

So the Bible was right about the fig leaves all along?

AutumnCurtain wrote at 2021-11-29 15:11:54:

Of all the things to doubt in the Bible the ability to cover yourself with a fig leaf is not a major one for me

Cthulhu_ wrote at 2021-11-29 14:24:11:

Was there ever any doubt? I mean religious skepticism aside, there's plenty of accurate or sane information in the bible.

georgeoliver wrote at 2021-11-29 15:30:25:

For tree and/or ancient history nerds I highly recommend this book,

https://www.williambryantlogan.com/oak

sinuhe69 wrote at 2021-11-29 13:34:16:

Clothes today are still made from tree :)

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote at 2021-11-29 14:54:58:

Tree being hemp?

DFHippie wrote at 2021-11-29 16:23:12:

Maybe this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyocell