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Repeating the Web's Mistakes (was gemini+submit:// (was Re: Uploading Gemini content))

Jason McBrayer jmcbray at carcosa.net

Thu Jun 18 15:57:56 BST 2020

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Koushik Roy <koushik at meff.me> writes:

All that said, I'm not convinced that an in-band Gemini posting
mechanism is the correct answer. I prefer a solution that involves the
community standardizing around some other mechanism to upload content,
and then building/popularizing apps (native or not) that use this
mechanism. To make this more concrete, I can imagine a scenario where
apps are built on top of FTPS to allow users to author content and
then transparently have them appear in a Gemini capsule. Swap FTPS
with one of many other mechanisms, such as SFTP, NNTPS, Email, what
have you.

I strongly agree with this. For me, the attraction of Gemini is that theweb is no longer a suitable protocol for document delivery, because mostsites require very large, complex browsers that are optimized for use asan application runtime. If every webserver were running Shizaru, I coulduse a reasonable browser like Lynx or Dillo, but that's not realistictoday. I want a document-sharing ecosystem that is not going to expandto require runtimes for untrusted remote applications.

I don't really feel that we are lacking in file copying protocols, orthat any of the existing file copying protocols are problematic in thesame way that http(s) is. While some of them (SCP? Rsync over SSH?git+ssh?) may be complex to implement from scratch, they also are mostlyencapsulated by small programs that can be scripted. I also realizetitan: is a separate protocol, but I'm not sure it does the same job asGemini of solving a problem that needs to be solved. I'm afraid it'smore like the tendency of the web to replace all other protocols withextensions of itself.

-- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray at carcosa.net | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada |