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APPLE II DEVELOPMENT FORUM CONFERENCE LOG
January 17, 1989 10:00 p.m. Eastern time
Topic: Apple IIGS Toolbox
Forum Leader: James Luther (AFL Jim)
AFL Jim Welcome to the Apple II Development Forum! Tonight's topic is the
IIGS Toolbox.
AFL Jim We'll be following protocol in the conference room tonight, so if
you have a
AFL Jim question, type a question mark on a line by itself like this:
AFL Jim ?
AFL Jim If you have a comment to make on the current discussion, type an
"!" on a line
AFL Jim by itself like this:
AFL Jim !
AFL Jim Gary will keep track of who's up next and I'll call on you when
it's your turn.
AFL Jim Any questions?
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley
David JF ?
Mr Stanley How do you begin the VBL to make it search the heartbeat queue?
AFL Jim OK, go ahead, Mr Stanley
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley, David
SEGlass !
AFL Jim GA Steve
AFA Dennis (power failure. I'm off. Bye)
AFA Parik (Bye Dennis :(
SEGlass Do you mean, how do you start the interrupts?
Matt DTS (Bye Dennis, but I don't see how the two are related... <grin>)
Mr Stanley Yes!
Mr Stanley I cant find the tool
Mr Stanley #
SEGlass There is a misc.tools call called IntSrc.
AFA Parik ?
Matt DTS The release notes for 4.0 and the TB Ref. Update underwent some
parallel...
AFA Gary J Whew! <back!>
Matt DTS ...writing, so I think it's safer to have them both. I do.
Matt DTS That covers all the sound toolsets. GA.
Mr Stanley !? (related question)
DaviesDoug ?
AFL Jim GA Mr Stanley
David JF Do I need "Sound Tools ERS Rev 2.1" or is there a later, more
complete version?
Mr Stanley How can I get this update?
AFL Jim Q= David (Mr S), Doug
AFA Parik ?
JimLaz ?
AFL Jim You can get the update from the Apple Programmmer's and
Developer's Association
Matt DTS These products are both only available from APDA, Mr. Stanley.
SEGlass !
AFL Jim Their address is:
AFA Gary J Q = David (Mr Stanley), Parik, DaviesDoug, JimLaz
AFL Jim ut oh... what is it?
AFL Jim They've moved.
AFL Jack as of the 18th it's at Apple!
AFA Gary J hehe
Mr Stanley Are they on alink?
Matt DTS Geez louise. My APDA information, my Sound Tools ERS and
everything else...
Matt DTS ...are all at work. I can't find anything here (just moved all
the computers).
AFA Gary J I've got it..
AFL Jim GA Gary
Matt DTS Aha! Found the Sound Tools ERS, and 2.1 is the latest version.
AFA Gary J Phone number: 1-800-282-APDA
AFL Jim Ahhh... you can call APDA at 1-800-282-APDA
David JF My Apple APDA card shows a phone # 800-282-APDA.
AFA Gary J For placing orders:
AFA Gary J 20525 Mariani Avenue, M/S 33G
AFA Gary J Cupertion, CA 95014-6299
Matt DTS (or even Cupertino)
AFL Jim You have to be an APDA member to place an order, though.
JimLaz Guys I don't think that APDA want that phone number to be given
out to non-
JimLaz members.
DaviesDoug !
AFA Gary J hehe...right, Matt!
AFL Jim Call the 800 number for membership info.
Matt DTS Jim: I don't believe they mind.
AFA Gary J Cupertion = Cupertino
Mr Stanley How can I become an APDA member?
Matt DTS They will be publishing it with the mailing address in future
promotional...
AFL Jim The 800 number is in an Call-APPLE ad.
Matt DTS ...material. Mr. S: Call that number and ask them.
JimLaz Thought I read that somewhere. Maybe in the old organization.
AFL Jim Doug, a comment?
DaviesDoug Seems that when I use FFStartSound the volume isn't quite as loud
as if....
David JF ga
Matt DTS The old APDA had an order-only line which was private. (finally
done, GA)
AFA Gary J Q = David (Mr Stanley), Parik, DaviesDoug, JimLaz
DaviesDoug I use the sound chip directly
DaviesDoug even if I specify a volume of $FF
Matt DTS !
AFL Jim GA Matt
Matt DTS Is this true even if the volume level in the Control Panel is at
maximum?
DaviesDoug YES matt
DaviesDoug Sierra online uses the chip directly...and they can really belt it
out
Matt DTS Let me look for a few minutes (ga).
AFL Jim While Matt's mind grinds that question up, let's get your
question, Parik
AFL Jim ga
AFA Gary J Q = Parik, DaviesDoug (Matt), JimLaz
AFA Parik 2 questions, is the toolbox quick-reference "fixed"? :)
AFA Parik Also, are there any benefits of being in APDA if already certified
developer?
AFA Parik GA
Matt DTS Don't know at this point - send mail to "AFL Tom" and ask him.
AFA Parik (thats the new APDA :)
SEGlass !
AFA Gary J Q = Parik (Steve), Doug (Matt), JimLaz
AFL Jim Parik, I think you have to be an APDA member to buy stuff from
APDA even if
Matt DTS [I'm sorry, I'll follow protocol. I'm just excited. GA]
AFL Jim you're a certified developer.
AFL Jim Steve, GA
SEGlass I don't know the answer to the first, but for the second
question,
SEGlass I think there are advantages to being part of APDA for any
developer.
SEGlass You get info on products from other sources than just Apple.
SEGlass A good example in the GS world is the tools from Byteworks and
TML. You
SEGlass can hear about them and buy them this way. Its a good $20
investment.
SEGlass GA
Matt DTS !
AFL Jim Matt, GA
AFA Gary J Q = Parik (Matt), Doug (Matt), JimLaz
Matt DTS With the added functionality of having APDA in house, Apple's
Developer Group..
AFL Jim (Matt's all over)
Matt DTS ...will continue to consolidate services making dealing with both
APDA and...
David JF Bye
SEGlass (He's not that big.)
AFA Gary J (At least we have him between the parenthesis! :)
AFL Jim Bye David
Matt DTS ...other parts of Apple even easier than ever for certified
developer. GA.
Mr Stanley (:)
Matt DTS (I know where you all live.)
AFA Parik Better send that survey in quick I guess. :)
Matt DTS (even scarier, I know where Steve works.)
AFL Jim (and he has access to my office BEFORE I get there)
Matt DTS !
AFL Jim GA Matt
AFA Gary J Q = Parik (Matt), Doug (Matt), JimLaz
Matt DTS I already have my copy of the next APDAlog (Apple's first), since
I'm a...
Matt DTS ...contributor, and I have to say it's looking good. I think
you'll all be...
Matt DTS ...impressed with the way it's set up and produced. GA.
AFA Gary J !
Mr Stanley ?
AFL Jim OK, Are we done with your questions, Parik and Doug?
DaviesDoug Yes
AFA Parik yup
AFL Jim OK Jim, your turn!
JimLaz Does anyone know when the Toolbox update and the GS/OS Reference
Manual (vol 1)
AFA Gary J Q = JimLaz, Mr Stanley
JimLaz will be released in there final versions?
Matt DTS !
JimLaz there=their
AFL Jim GA Matt
Matt DTS No. GA
Matt DTS <just kidding>
AFL Jim hehe
AFL Jim that's probably no comment
Matt DTS Work continues on both volumes, of course, but there don't seem to
be any...
AFA Gary J Q = JimLaz (Matt), Mr Stanley
Matt DTS ...(or many) significant errors or omissions in the beta drafts
now available.
Matt DTS We've found several small things, and a couple of things that
should be added..
Dave Lyons !
AFL Jim There's Tom now!
SEGlass Yea, those writers were pestering us even today... GA
Matt DTS ...before it's printed in hardcover for eternity, but they're very
stable. GA.
Dave Lyons How 'bout a beta of GS/OS vol 2?
JimLaz It's just that I hate to buy the beta drafts and then have to buy
the final
JimLaz versions.
AFA Gary J Q = JimLaz (Dave), Mr Stanley
AFL Tom Yea, so what?
Matt DTS Dave: It's getting there. It's a big book, it's taken time.
AFL Jim Parik, want to ask Tom your first question?
AFA Parik Didn't Dave has Tom's question? :)
AFA Parik Oh, MY question. Umm, is the toolbox reference "fixed"?
Matt DTS Jim: Would you rather everyone had to wait until the final
hardcover ones...
AFL Tom You mean the Quick References?
AFA Parik yup
Matt DTS ...were printed? The beta drafts are there for those who wish to
have 'em.
AFL Tom Well, the C one is being checked right now, and Assembly is being
worked on by the formatters.
DaviesDoug ?
AFL Tom Should be out today or tomorrow, and then checking.
AFA Parik great!
JimLaz No, but I still would rather get the final version if I can help
it.
AFA Gary J Q = JimLaz (Matt), Mr Stanley, Doug
JimLaz And it looks more and more like I will have to get the beta if I'm
going to get
AFL Jim The whole idea behind APDA is to get beta material out to the
developers who
Matt DTS Jim: that's about all I can say. If you want to wait for final,
you can...
JimLaz to work on my current big project.
AFL Tom (Which doc are we talking about?)
Matt DTS ...but some people prefer not to wait for final manuals to use the
stuff. GA.
AFL Jim want it or need it before the final editions are printed.
AFL Jim I held onto my II plus until the IIe had been out for 2 years -
everything was
AFL Jim in final versions by then, but I was way behind developers that
started in
AFL Jim January of '83.
AFL Jim Mr Stanley, GA with your question...
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley, Doug
Mr Stanley Heres the idea I had: if you could write a program which would
Mr Stanley interupt another, pass control to a second program
Mr Stanley and soon after interupt it couldnt multitalking be emulated?
Mr Stanley oops MultiTasking
Dave Lyons !
DaviesDoug !
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Dave, Doug), Doug
AFL Jim It would be simple multitasking, but I think most people think of
multitasking
AFL Jim as an operating system function.
AFL Jim GA Dave
Dave Lyons There are a _lot_ of issues involved in MultiTasking. First off,
what system
Dave Lyons are we talking about? 128K & ProDOS 8? GS/OS and a big GS with a
memory
Dave Lyons manager & lots of toolbox routines?
Mr Stanley BIG GS!!!
Dave Lyons Ok, on the GS the toolbox routines aren't currently designed to be
used by
Dave Lyons more than one application at once, and there isn't even a way to
_preserve_ the
AFA Parik !
Dave Lyons complete current state of all toolsets for resuming another
application later.
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Dave, Doug, Parik), Doug
Dave Lyons That's _one_ problem. ga
AFL Jim GA Doug
DaviesDoug Maybe you'll see something from WordPerfect soon that does this
successfully :)
DaviesDoug :)
DaviesDoug GA
Mr Stanley I want to beat Word Perfect! :)
Mr Stanley GA
AFL Jim GA Parik
AFA Parik whats the point? All you're doing is running programs one after
the other, its
ScottG25 !
AFA Parik not true multitasking (one program works while the other does too
:). Doug,
AFA Parik tell us more. :)
AFA Parik ga
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Scott), Doug
Dave Lyons !
AFL Jim Will he or won't he??...
DaviesDoug who just sent me that flash note? (sorry for talking out of
turn)
AFL Jim mememe
AFL Jim Scott, got a comment? GA
Floyd Zink !
ScottG25 To elaborate on what Parik said... true multitasking involves an
awful lot...
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Scott, Dave, Floyd), Doug
ScottG25 I even wonder if the current GS could handle all the interrupts
without...
Mr Stanley (ths GS can handle anything!)
ScottG25 starting to crawl... it's and interesting concept, tho...
ScottG25 GA
AFL Jim OK Dave, GA
Dave Lyons Parik, there's definitely a point to having a Switcher type
application; it was
Dave Lyons useful on the Mac years before MultiFinder was available. Same
idea as
Dave Lyons SoftSwitch, but for 16-bit programs. Being able to resume an
applicatino right
Dave Lyons where you left off (all documents open, etc) is neat.
applicatino=...on
Dave Lyons (done)
AFA Parik (you'd need 16 megs :)
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Floyd), Doug
Dave Lyons (Mebbe, mebbe not....)
AFL Jim OK Floyd, your turn...
AFL Jim ga
Floyd Zink I wonder if you could intercept all the Startup and Shutdown tool
calls and tap into the event mgr
Floyd Zink with the controling (switcher) program. If one of the
applications still needs a tool, don't shut
Floyd Zink it down. Then clean up when they all quit. ga
Dave Lyons !
AFL Jim Dave, GA
Dave Lyons There's lots more to it than that--I can work on some examples,
but in general
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Dave), Doug
Dave Lyons there is info you can configure in a toolset that there is no
defined way to
Dave Lyons preserve. You'd need to get the tools back in the same state they
were in,
Dave Lyons not just keep them active. A trivial example is the SFAllCaps
call. This one
Mr Stanley !
Dave Lyons wouldn't be a major problem if the caps settin for Standard File
wasn't
ScottG25 !
Dave Lyons preserved, but it illustrates something there's no way to check
the status
Dave Lyons of to preserve. ga
Floyd Zink That's true, but this is the first time I've thought about it.
:)
AFL Jim GA Mr Stanley
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Mr S, Scott), Doug
Mr Stanley Assuming an 8 meg GS you could copy the _entire_ Toolbox into ram
and have 2
Mr Stanley separeate sets, but this unfortuatly would be real slow!!
Dave Lyons !
Mr Stanley Bout in general do the toolbexes care about their former status?
Mr Stanley ga
AFL Jim Scott, GA
JimLaz !
ScottG25 User Id's could be used to track everything, if the tools
preserved a users
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Scott, Dave, JimLaz), Doug
Mr Stanley (now theres a good idea for a new toolset!)
ScottG25 state.... is this dreaming? Just another thing to extend... and
each user
ScottG25 would have his own area mapped for the state...sure, this is a RAM
hog idea..
ScottG25 but it eliminates paging/swapping and makes context switching
easier... GA
Mr Stanley (im still waiting for a 100meg ram GS)
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (Dave, JimLaz), Doug
AFL Jim OK, Dave, then Jim, then we're moving on to Doug's next
question.
Dave Lyons Copying toolbox code from ROM to RAM isn't going to help--won't
run there as
Dave Lyons is. Anyway, the reasonable way to keep separate states for most
toolsets
Dave Lyons would be to _require_ them to keep all their state info in their
work area
DaviesDoug Is there a list anywhere that shows the toolbox calls that can
move an...
Dave Lyons (those could be changed by a switcher program), but a lot of
toolsets still
DaviesDoug unlocked block of memory....the Mac does!
Dave Lyons keep stuff in their own code segments. (A lot? Some?)
Dave Lyons ga
AFL Jim Jim GA
AFA Gary J Q = Mr Stanley (JimLaz), Doug
JimLaz Never mind... GA Doug.
AFL Jim (was that your question, Doug?)
Dave Lyons !
DaviesDoug I already did
DaviesDoug look above
AFL Jim Dave a comment on Doug's question?
AFL Jim ^ a comma there
Matt DTS !
Dave Lyons I don't know of a comprehensive list, Doug, but in general assume
that a call
Dave Lyons _can_ move memory unless you have a good reason to believe it
doesn't. Are
Dave Lyons you wondering about any particular calls? Anything that allocates
memory can
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Dave, Matt)
Dave Lyons move unlocked blocks; this includes lots of QuickDraw operations,
at least if
JimLaz !
Dave Lyons regions are being created; it also includes GS/OS calls, since
caching is
Dave Lyons happening, etc. done
AFL Jim Matt GA
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Matt, JimLaz)
Matt DTS Being very picky, only the Memory Manager actually moves unlocked
blocks...
Matt DTS ...around, but any toolset which depends on the MM (which is all
of them) could
Matt DTS conceivably force such a move to happen. Even such a list as you
describe...
Matt DTS ...wouldn't do much good since new tools and tool calls are
regularly added.
Mr Stanley ? (a quicky)
Matt DTS GA.
DaviesDoug !
AFL Jim Jim your comment... GAS
AFL Jim A
AFL Jim Ack!
JimLaz If the call description says that it can return Memory Manager
errors then you
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (JimLaz)
JimLaz can be sure it'll move memory if it needs to.
DaviesDoug good jim!
JimLaz ga
Matt DTS !
Dave Lyons !
AFL Jim GA Doug
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Matt, Dave), Mr Stanley
DaviesDoug I know the Mac has a list
DaviesDoug Just a pain to lock a block when you don't need to
AFL Jim Matt GA
Matt DTS Don't mistake the Toolbox Ref's "Possible Errors" section for each
call...
Mr Stanley !
Floyd Zink !
Matt DTS ...to mean "ALL Possible Errors." The reference (like the GS/OS
Reference)...
JimLaz !
Matt DTS ...discusses the most probable errors, but others could occur...
Matt DTS <Geez, what did I start??> GA
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Dave, Mr S, Floyd, JimLaz), Mr Stanley
Dave Lyons A list of calls guaranteed _not_ to compact memory would be very
useful, tho.
AFL Jim Matt, does this mean the tools that say they return no errors
can?
Matt DTS "No errors" is a different story. Steve's more qualified to
discuss that one,.
Matt DTS [passing the buck so fast George Washington's head spins]
AFL Jim Steve, any comment?
AFL Jim :)
DaviesDoug steves not here
Matt DTS He took off.
DaviesDoug he wimped out
AFL Jim OK, Mr Stanley, GA
Dave Lyons You wouldn't have to include all the calls that can't _currently_
compact--just
Mr Stanley (lol)
Matt DTS Well, let me try it. Hold on for a second while I compose my
thoughts.
ScottG25 !
Dave Lyons ones you wanted to guarantee.
Mr Stanley You wouldnt have to worry about moving blocks if
Mr Stanley before evry time you directly acces the block
Floyd Zink -!
Mr Stanley you de-reference the handle
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Stan, JimLaz, Scott), Stan
DaviesDoug That takes time
Mr Stanley the time diference would PROABLY be minimal
Mr Stanley unless you do it all the time
DaviesDoug and takes code (yeck!)
ScottG25 -!
AFL Jim Jim GA with your comment
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (JimLaz), Stan
Mr Stanley it is easier to access memory using [handle] notation any way.
ga
JimLaz I know it's not a compleat list or errors, but it's something to
concider.
JimLaz ga
Matt DTS ! (slightly ready)
AFL Jim OK Matt, GA slightly...
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Matt), Stan
Matt DTS Jim: Just pointing it out; some people believe it's all possible
errors. On..
DaviesDoug Did you know that if you hold the mouse down on the arrow on the
scroll bar...
Matt DTS ..."no errors": I interpret it to mean that I probably shouldn't
have to...
DaviesDoug that the banner scrolls across a lot quicker :)
Matt DTS ...do error-checking after that call. That's not always the best
way to do it.
Dave Lyons ! for Mr. Stanley
Matt DTS An unexpected MM or GS/OS error could pop up, or a new revision of
the tool...
ScottG25 <a serious system error just occurred>
Matt DTS ...might require error reporting where none previously was
needed.
Matt DTS For example, I would probably check for errors on _SFGetFile, even
if...
Matt DTS ...I did nothing but report an error if I got one, but I wouldn't
check...
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Matt, Dave), Stan
ScottG25 !
Matt DTS ...for errors on _GetHandleSize. It kind of depends on what
you're doing.
DaviesDoug I'm done
Matt DTS That's the best I can do on it; "No errors" just means "we don't
think you'll..
Matt DTS ...get an error", as best as I understand it. GA.
AFL Jim Dave, your comment... GA
ScottG25 Carry is set on _S
Dave Lyons "[handle]" notation is never a valid way to accesss memory in a
block; I must
Dave Lyons be misunderstanding you, Mr. S. ga
ScottG25 <sorry>
AFA Gary J Q = Doug (Dave, Scott), Stan
Mr Stanley I meant double indirect addressing. ga
Dave Lyons ok
AFL Jim Scott, your comment...GA
JimLaz ?
ScottG25 Carry is set on _SFGetFile, now? It didn't used to be, to my
recollection. GA
Matt DTS !
AFL Jim GA Matt
Matt DTS I didn't say it was. I just said that I might be likely to write
maybe:
AFL Jim (I need a macro for GA Matt)
Matt DTS label _SFGetFile
Matt DTS bcs errordeath
AFA Gary J (I need a macro for (Matt))
Matt DTS ; Just because I'm paranoid
Matt DTS (GA)
Dave Lyons ?
ScottG25 Oh, ok!
AFL Jim Stan, let's get your question in here. GA
AFA Gary J Q = Stan
AFL Jim Q + Dave
AFA Gary J (thanks!)
AFL Jim Mr Stanley??
Mr Stanley Heres a quick one: Why do some toolsets Need Prodos 16 of GSOS?
AFA Gary J Q = Stan, Dave
Matt DTS !
AFL Jim huh?
JimLaz of?
Dave Lyons of=?or
Matt DTS (of = or)
Mr Stanley (yeah, sorry. didnt get eneough sleep)
AFL Jim Because, some toolsets call the operating system....
AFL Jim GA Amtt
AFL Jim Matt
Matt DTS (AFL Jim GA, Matt. Matt DTS Thanks, Jim)
Dave Lyons !
AFA Gary J (You need a macro REAL bad, Jim! :)
AFA Parik (Gary : ARRGGHGHHHH :-)
Matt DTS Mr. S: If you do an _InstallFont call to install a font that's
not in memory,
Matt DTS ...how's the Font Manager supposed to get it off the disk without
GS/OS or P16?
Matt DTS Similarly with the Scrap manager storing scraps to the disk, the
Print Manager.
Mr Stanley Yeah, i understand that, but why does MM need it?????
AFA Gary J Q = Stan (Matt, Dave), Dave
Matt DTS ...loading in printer and port drivers, the MIDI tools loading
MIDI drivers,
Matt DTS etc. And since when does the Memory Manager require the OS?
JimLaz !
Mr Stanley It does@!
Mr Stanley oops !
AFA Gary J Q + (JimLaz)
Matt DTS (resorting to an old tactic he used with his sister) Prove it.
AFA Parik heh
JimLaz Which call(s)?
Mr Stanley :::::: Looking :::::::
Dave Lyons (Remove my old "!", but the Mem Mgr does _not_ require GS/OS or
P16, as you can
AFA Parik "did not" "did too!" "Did not!" "did too!" :-)
Dave Lyons easily see since the RAMdisk and P8CDA and lots of CDAs work
without a 16bit
Dave Lyons OS!)
AFA Gary J Q = Stan (Matt, Dave, JimLaz), Dave
Matt DTS Parik: You know my sister?
Mr Stanley MM wont start with out prodos 16!!! (or GSOS!)
AFA Parik (she's DTS at IBM :)
Dave Lyons Whaddaya mean by won't start?
AFA Gary J Q = Stan (Matt, JimLaz), Dave
Matt DTS Mr Stanley: No offense, but I think you've gone off the deep
end.
Dave Lyons !
Mr Stanley You get an error! :::::STILL LOOKING:::::::::
Dave Lyons Idea--if you're calling MMStartUp under ProDOS 8 and nobody has
allocated the
Dave Lyons memory you're making the call from, it'll return an error, I bet.
Normally it
Dave Lyons does a FindHandle on the address you're calling from and returns
the ID of
JimLaz That's it Dave!
JimLaz !
Matt DTS Sounds reasonable, Dave.
Dave Lyons that block. So try allocating the bank 0 memory first, _then_
starting up the
AFA Gary J Q = Stan (JimLaz), Dave
JimLaz -!
Dave Lyons memory manager! Be prepared to proceed if the memory is already
allocated, as
Dave Lyons it will be if you launched under P16 or GS/OS (or with P8CDA
arond).
Matt DTS !
Dave Lyons (arond=around) done
AFA Gary J Q = Stan (Matt), Dave
Floyd Zink <going to MDV chat in PIPPIN>
AFL Jim Go Matt
Matt DTS If you're using the Memory Manager from a P8 program, and you want
to use...
Matt DTS ...the auxID field of the User ID for your own purposes (as
discussed in...
Matt DTS ...IIgs Tech Note #17), be SURE the ID you get already has a ZERO
in that...
Matt DTS ...nibble before continuing. GS/OS uses the auxID for it's own
purposes...
Matt DTS ...and an MMStartUp call from P8 while under GS/OS will return a
$3000 ID with
Dave Lyons !
Matt DTS ...a non-zero value in there. Changing it to something else could
dispose
Matt DTS handles that belong to GS/OS that aren't yours to dispose. Tread
lightly.
Matt DTS GA.
Dave Lyons I don't understand...so you should use GetNewID, or what?
Matt DTS Yeah. If you get a non-zero AuxID returned from MMStartUp, then
you should...
AFL Jim (hey, cut the protocol and continue at your leasure...)
Matt DTS ...call GetNewID if you intend to modify the AuxID field for MM
operations.
Dave Lyons Okay, I can dig that, Matt.
Matt DTS <dig dig dig>
AFA Parik GA ga GA ga ga ga ga...I'm sick of GA...
Dave Lyons I want to open up an old can of worms and ask what the A register
means, if
Matt DTS All right, protocol's dead - let 'em fly, boys...
AFL Jim Goo goo
Dave Lyons anything, when a tool call returns with the carry clear.
AFA Gary J GA Parik
Matt DTS ...(since Byte printed recently "there are no women
programmers")
AFA Parik :P
AFA Gary J :)
Matt DTS Dave: Should be zero. If it's not, there's a tool bug. BUT:
Matt DTS In such an instance, you are to proceed as if no error has
occured.
JimLaz too, bad like to get my debuggers on a woman.
AFA Parik heh heh Jim
Matt DTS If the carry's not set, no error occured.
Dave Lyons Hmmm...judges? Is that an answer? :)
Matt DTS That's a definition.
DaviesDoug Anyone try my debugger trick?
AFL Jim I've got to go. I'm still packing....
AFA Parik I tried the p8 one Doug!
ScottG25 <Sounds like an official position to me)..
DaviesDoug work?
AFA Parik workd nicely! Too bad the debugger won't source out programs.
:)
AFA Gary J Goodnight, Jim
AFA Parik (worked fine)
Dave Lyons So to be safe in all cases you need to add a BCC *+5, LDA #$0000
after all your
JimLaz Off to the Cafe!
AFA Parik Bye Jim
ScottG25 Night Jim!
Dave Lyons tool calls the way APW C does, right?
AFA Gary J Send me a log! :)
AFA Parik GA Jim
Matt DTS To be safe, the tool interface routines from the high level
language...
DaviesDoug Matt, did the COMPACT get sent out today?
Matt DTS ...and your assembly routines don't do a BNE or BEQ, but only BCS
and BCC.
Mr Stanley <------- gotta go
Mr Stanley I hate to open a can of worms and run
Matt DTS (after all, the last operation before the Tool Locator returned
might have...
Mr Stanley but........SYAL
AFA Parik Bye mr. stan
Mr Stanley Bye.
AFA Gary J Bye Stan.
Matt DTS ...conditioned the zero flag the other way even if A is zero.)
ScottG25 Bye..
Dave Lyons I meant if you want to then always STA the error code, Matt, the
way C does.
Matt DTS Doug: It will be sent this week (boss is out sick)(
AFA Parik sick of who? :)
DaviesDoug why not make it public domain
DaviesDoug and put it on here
Matt DTS Doug: Don't get into that. Those questions are truly annoying
for DTS people.
Matt DTS ...to have to try and answer.
Matt DTS "Don't ask me how it works or I'll start to whimper.
Matt DTS :
Matt DTS "
Matt DTS We're engineers. We don't set company marketing, sales or legal
policy.
AFA Parik YOU DON'T RUN APPLE?!?!?!
AFA Parik ARGH! :)
AFA Gary J Maybe that's a good thing.
AFA Parik :-)
AFA Gary J Maybe not.
AFA Gary J :)
ScottG25 Night!
Matt DTS Day!
AFA Parik Twilight all!
Matt DTS (sorry, isn't this the ASVAB? Oh, I must be in the wrong
room...)
Dave Lyons What's the status of the printed technotes? And how long till we
get 'em here?
AFA Gary J Matt, is APDA going to be carrying any 3rd party stuff? Last time
I placed
Matt DTS They go in the mail this week (duplication's nearly finished)
ScottG25 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
AFA Gary J an order, they told me they weren't, but I got the impression from
you tonight
Matt DTS Call 1-800-282-APDA, Gary. They ain't me.
AFA Gary J that they would be?
AFA Gary J Yes, but you've seen the catalog!
Matt DTS But I didn't read it cover to cover.
Matt DTS (and you got that impression from Steve, not from me.)
DaviesDoug PB?
AFA Gary J oh yeah. Sorry :)
Dave Lyons So what's holding up the electronic versions? Somebody waiting
until the
Dave Lyons printed ones are mailed, or is it licensing, or converting them to
text, or
Dave Lyons what?
Matt DTS They're up on AppleLink Apple Edition.
Dave Lyons I know...so that makes it even more mysterious to me why they
aren't here and
Matt DTS Licensing sends a disk to the other services, who then handle them
as they...
Dave Lyons on GEnie and CompuServe....
Matt DTS ...choose. Sometimes that takes some time.
Dave Lyons sends --> (a) sent, (b), will send, ....?
Matt DTS We upload them in DTS to AppleLink Apple Edition. That usually
takes no time.
Matt DTS I don't know. I'm not licensing either.
Dave Lyons Okay. Don't mean to sound unappreciative of all DTS's work...I
just want to
Dave Lyons actually get to _see_ it!