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APPLE II DEVELOPMENT FORUM CONFERENCE LOG
Tuesday, February 12, 1991 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time
Topic: Resource Programming
Forum Leader: Dave Sugar (AFL Dyfet)
ShanoJ <-- been programming since he got up this morning. Brain is
fried.
ShanoJ <-- Started using comments like "Now dispose of the shiny new
handle we just
ShanoJ allocated, so we won't start playing with it and get
distracted."
AFL Dyfet Just don't start using a 'naughty bit' flag :)
AFA Gary J I wish I could work on my programming project that many hours at
once :)
AFL Scott Resources, Resources everywhere.
AFA Gary J Natural Resources
AFL Dyfet I'm trying to perfect a financial resource genorator :)
AFA Gary J :)
AFA Gary J Anyone know where GSBug puts it's stack? (Like maybe $000100
area???)
ShanoJ According to NiftyList it only owns one block, and it's not in
bank $00...
A2GS It probably pulls everything off the stack (ex. return address,
etc...) when
A2GS it first becomes activated.
AFA Gary J I'll ask a question about it later. I guess my problem is when I
switch to
AFA Gary J emulation mode :)
Dave Lyons GSBug owns 1K in bank 0 while you're actually in GSBug; it keeps
the stack in that 1K some of
Dave Lyons the time, but it also uses a bit of "your" stack. It also doesn't
manage the $010100 byte right
AFA Gary J That's the problem :)
Dave Lyons when switching in and out of the page-1 stack, so if you're
tracing some code that has the stack
Dave Lyons in page 1, try typing 01/0100:80 first; this way interrupts will
use 100..180, and your program
Dave Lyons being traced can use 181..1FF.
AFA Gary J Ah, exactly as I've been doing. That seems to help :)
AFA Gary J (I just wanted to confirm my suspicions)
JWankerl Okay, I made it. We can start now. :-)
AFL Dyfet We wouldn't start without you :)
A2GS slowly but surely the room fills....
A2GS Complaint: My user group has been trying for weeks to get an Apple
Rep. here
A2GS in N.Y. to come and answer questions regarding the II and we
always seem to
A2GS get the same old lines "sorry, the people here only know about
macs"...
A2GS I even made a couple of calls to Cupertino and still hit a brick
wall...
A2GS does Apple call that support??? I few years ago we had no trouble
getting
A2GS someone to show.
Matt DTS You called the User Group Connection people?
A2GS yes...they told me to call customer support (1-800....)
Matt DTS Waitaminnit - "does Apple call it support" that people in
Cupertino are busy doing things other than
Matt DTS flying around talking to User Groups? Clearly, the problem is
that there should be someone in your
Matt DTS area qualified to talk about it. If not, your next best bet would
be Tim Swihart (TIM.SWIHART on
Matt DTS AppleLink).
A2GS Read EVERYTHING I wrote above....we use to be able to get people
right from
A2GS Apple's N.Y. offices to show up...now no one knows anything about
II's or at
A2GS least not enough to answer questions regarding them and Apple.
A2GS It's not that their aren't qualified people to answer technical
questions....
A2GS we are trying to get someone to answer questions regarding Apple's
policies,
A2GS etc... I assure you, we could easily have gotten someone from the
N.Y. offices
A2GS to talk about anything regarding Apple's Mac policies, etc....
Matt DTS Then you definitely need to talk to Tim Swihart. GA.
A2GS I will try...thanx
AFL Dyfet The NY offices may have been 'downsized'...there can be other
reasons for not
AFL Dyfet being able to get people for that, too :)....
A2GS They're available for Mac questions....
A2GS (how convenient)
AFA Gary J I have an idea. Let's talk about resources :)
AFL Dyfet Okay, I guess we will move to our scheduled topic for tonight:
Resources!
AFL Dyfet Does anyone have any resource related questions to start with for
tonight?
AFL DannyH yeah?
AFL DannyH how big can the resource fork be?
AFL Dyfet Go ahead Matt...
Matt DTS Depends. How big is your disk?
AFL DannyH really?
AFL DannyH no set upper limit?
Matt DTS (There is no GS/OS limitation to the size of a resource fork other
than that it must be less than
Matt DTS 4 gigabytes to the EOF. GA.)
AFL Dyfet Depends on your FST, and how large a legal file can grow (16m
under the ProDOS
AFL Dyfet FST)....
Matt DTS (But...oh, there's Dave to talk about the Resource Manager...)
AFL Dyfet GA Dave...
Dave Lyons Yup, and I believe the Resource Manager will happily let you use
the whole 4 gigs, too. ga
A2GS Never mind...Dyfet clarified the descrepency :-)
AFL DannyH I have noticed NDA's with empty resource forks...
AFL DannyH is this an oversight on the author's part or is the
AFL DannyH compiler automatically adding a resoource fork...
AFL DannyH in particular TML Pascal seems to do this
AFL Dyfet Go ahead Surak....
Surak TFF Well, resource forks aren't (as far as I know) required to have
anything in
Surak TFF them... So it's probably just the particular compiler...
AFL Dyfet In the case of TML Pascal, I would guess the compiler
automatically creates an
AFL Dyfet extended file, just in case it needs to put resources
in....incidently, the
AFL Dyfet TML Pascal source files have a resource fork attached...
ShanoJ (making them a bitch to load into normal word processors... :)
AFL Dyfet Okay, MDW has the next question...Go ahead....
MDW Flyer Is there any limit to what type of structure can be stored as a
resource?...
MDW Flyer and what has been found to be unsuitable data to be stored as a
resource?
AFL Dyfet Go ahead Dave...
Dave Lyons You can put whatever data you want into a resource, provided you
use a Resource Type in the
Dave Lyons range $0001 to $7FFF.
ShanoJ <-- Off to define an armadillo resource... :)
Dave Lyons I don't have anything
Dave Lyons very clever to say about what
Dave Lyons *shouldn't* be in a resource, except that you don't want
gazillions of *tiny* resources,
Dave Lyons because each one takes up 20 bytes in the Resource Map (which is
always in memory while your
Dave Lyons resource file is open), and each one takes up *another* 20 bytes
of overhead when you actually
Dave Lyons load it (for the "master pointer record" (the handle)). ga
AFL Dyfet Certainly configuration data you plan to update should NOT be
stored in the
AFL Dyfet resource fork, if your application plans to be ran from a file
server, since
AFL Dyfet all your users will then share the same configuration if they like
it or not :)
MDW Flyer Thanks, Dave. 8)
MDW Flyer Has the APW documentation been updated any for using Resources?
AFL Dyfet Okay :)...Go ahead Matt...
Matt DTS The tools that work with resources in the APW 1.1 Tools and
Interfaces certainly come with appropriate
Matt DTS documentation. The other parts of APW that don't deal with
resources haven't been changed, including
Matt DTS the documentation. GA.
AFL Dyfet Okay, any more comments?
AFL Dyfet I guess Danny has the next question...Go ahead, Danny, you have
the floor now.
AFL DannyH what advantage(s) does a programmer gain by using an extended
file?
AFL Dyfet Go ahead Matt...
Matt DTS For what?
AFL Dyfet :)
AFL DannyH Matt is that for me?
Matt DTS It's like asking "What advantages do I get for using memory" -
what do you want to do with it?
AFL DannyH that's what I am asking
Matt DTS Nononononononononono...
AFL DannyH why and when would a programmer choose to use
AFL DannyH an extended file?
Matt DTS An extended file is just a different kind of file - one that has a
resource fork. You use extended
Matt DTS files if you have resources, and you use normal files if you
don't. If you mean to ask "what are
Matt DTS the advantages of RESOURCES, that's a different animal. GA.
AFL Dyfet I assumed Danny meant the latter....GA MDW....
MDW Flyer SynthLab, or any program, might embed it's theme music as a
resource. A use.
AFL Dyfet Resources are a generic way to provide customizable applications.
They provide
AFL Dyfet a convient way to package sounds, pictures, and other useful data,
into a
AFL Dyfet single file that is part of the application, which can then be
copied or moved,
AFL Dyfet with all associated resources, as a single file....
AFL DannyH thanks ga
AFL Dyfet At least I think that was the response Danny was looking for
:)..GA Andy :)...
Andy Stein Very simple, stupid question: Can you make applications from
scratch with
Andy Stein Gensys?
AFL Dyfet Go ahead Matt...
Matt DTS Yes, but they're not interesting. You can make all the windows,
controls, menus and other structures
Matt DTS like that as you wish, but only you can write the code that does
something interesting when you choose
Matt DTS them. GA.
Andy Stein Thanks. GA
AFA Gary J :)
AFL Dyfet Okay, WankerL has the next question...Go ahead Wankerl....
JWankerl Is there a way to find out the host application's resource ID from
within a
JWankerl CDev?
ShanoJ (Hey, that sounds famaliar... :)
AFL Dyfet I think we had this question a few weeks ago :)..Go ahead
Matt...
Surak TFF (Yup... :)
AFA Gary J :)
Matt DTS I'm still thinking, but I believe the answer is "no". The
question is "why do you want to?"
JWankerl So Jonah can call DrawMenuBar for the application without it
causing a crash.
ShanoJ :)
Matt DTS Ah. No, I can't think of one - it would require the Resource
Manager to turn a GS/OS reference
Matt DTS number into a resource file number, and it currently won't do
that. GA.
AFL Dyfet Egads, that was sneaky :)...
JWankerl That's about it for me.... right now.
AFL Dyfet Okay who else has a resource related question for tonight?
MDW Flyer What is your combined opinion of the Resourse Editors available?
ShanoJ Genesys + LLRE + Rez rocks... :)
JWankerl Genesys, I think, is the best, but it still has a few
limitations.
AFL Dyfet I prefer Genesys....
JWankerl Genesys + Rez = everything you should ever need.
MDW Flyer I'm finished using the old TML Pascal Editor.
AFL Dyfet Well, okay, who else has a resource question for tonight :)?
AFL Dyfet Go ahead, Marty....
AFL Marty What kinds of resources are currently supported (resource
types)?
JWankerl Lots! Pick up Nifty List 3.0 or better and do 0\rtype to see 'em,
or get TBIII
JWankerl ...and read the technotes, there are additional types defined
there, too.
AFL Marty Let me ask it this way then...
AFL Dyfet And will be many more appearing in technotes in the future
:)....
ShanoJ READ TECHNOTES!! READ TECHNOTES!!
AFL Marty What resource types are NOT supported?
AFL Marty For instance is there/will there be a FONT resource?
JWankerl Good question. What cars are not defined? I don't know until
they're defined.
JWankerl Your application can support a font resource, but I don't think
there's a
JWankerl standard font resource.
AFL Marty I'm obviously not q programmer type. Make up a good question from
my words and answer it.
AFL Dyfet Or ICON resources for Finder....in the case of a font resource,
one may have to
AFL Dyfet work a little with the font manager to actually use it....
JWankerl There ARE Icon resources, but they don't contain the finder
information.
AFL Dyfet In the case of Finder icons in resources (something I would like
to see
AFL Dyfet someday) Apple will have to take the lead first...
AFL Dyfet GA MDW...
MDW Flyer The finder icon format differs from the Q II icon format....
MDW Flyer At least header information.
Dave Lyons (The Finder Icon format *contains* icons in QD II icon format,
plus a lot of other stuff.)
MDW Flyer Why put a Finder Icon in as resource?
AFL Dyfet So you have the icon as part of the application instead of as a
seperate icon
AFL Dyfet file that has to be placed in the icon directory...just seems a
little cleaner
AFL Dyfet in my mind...
JWankerl So you can copy the application and not have to copy the icon
file, too.
AFL Dyfet Go ahead Surak...
Surak TFF In order for an icon in a file's resource fork to be of use to the
Finder,
Surak TFF wouldn't the Finder have to open every single file's resource fork
to find
Surak TFF the icon? (or at least to check for one?) That would seem to be
very
Surak TFF cumbersome...
Matt DTS (well, presumably it would only look in applications, and not in
everything.)
AFL Dyfet I was about to mention that, actually :)...
MDW Flyer Matt, Tech Note ?
Surak TFF GA
Matt DTS (huh?)
Matt DTS repeating: "(huh?)"
MDW Flyer Finder Icons TN doesn't explicitly state the need for a small icon
image & mask
MDW Flyer or did I miss some part of it.
MDW Flyer I am writing a quick fix program to append the small icon info to
the output
Matt DTS Mine lists at offset +086 the normal size icon and right after it
the small icon.
JWankerl Anyone care to field a simple Memory Manager question?
Dave Lyons sure
Matt DTS go for it
AFL Dyfet Sure, we can do that :)
JWankerl I wanna use InsertMItem2 to add an item to my menu, and I want my
reference to
JWankerl the menu item name to be a handle. Do I have to maintain this
handle with
JWankerl my program, or does the menu manager take it over like the Window
manager does
JWankerl with menu titles?
JWankerl oops with window titles, not menu titles.
ShanoJ <-- 'nother MM question, for when Joe's done.
Dave Lyons (BTW, this is a Menu Manager question, not a Memory Manager
question. :-)
JWankerl Shoot! Did I say memory manager. My fault. My brain is dying.
:-(
Dave Lyons Checking; go ahead w/ next question in the mean time.
AFL Dyfet Okay, I guess that would be Jonah's MM Q :)...Whichever MM he
means :)
ShanoJ Do you still need an answer before I go, Joe?
AFL Dyfet Dave is checking...go ahead Jonah...
ShanoJ Or can I just rhyme some more? :)
JWankerl Nah, GA Jonah. Dave'll get back to me one day. :-)
ShanoJ Okay, I wanna know why the Memory Manager needs BOTH a fixed and a
locked bit?
ShanoJ Don't they do basically the same thing?
Dave Lyons They're different. (1) Fixed memory gets allocated down at the
bottom of the memory map, and
Dave Lyons non-fixed gets allocated at the top. This reduces fragmentation,
unless people do something
Dave Lyons silly like allocate a lot of permanently-locked, non-fixed
handles.
Dave Lyons You can lock and unlock handles at will, but you don't generally
fiddle with the fixed status (there
Dave Lyons is no call for it).
Dave Lyons (2) When the purge level is not zero, the handle can be purged if
it is NOT LOCKED.
Dave Lyons That is, a fixed but purgable handle can go away but NOT move, if
it's locked. (If it's locked,
Dave Lyons it won't move or go away.) ga
ShanoJ Okay, so if I want a memory block that's not going to EVER move, I
wanna
ShanoJ use.... ? I've always used attrFixed+attrLocked...
Matt DTS Fixed means it *never* moves; locked means it can't move until you
unlock it.
Dave Lyons Jonah, if your handle will always have purge level 0, it makes no
different whether you make
Dave Lyons it fixed, or fixed+locked. You want to stay away from locked-only
if you're leaving it locked, since
Dave Lyons it would be a fragmentation island up amongst a lot of unlocked
handles.
Matt DTS (by the way, Dave's implication aside, it's not OK for you to
fiddle with any bits in the attributes
Matt DTS except the locked bit, unless you're using Memory Manager calls to
do it.)
ShanoJ I know Matt, I took that stuff out... You'd be proud of me... :)
Dave Lyons ! on Menu Manager
ShanoJ Okay, thanks a lot, guys! :)
AFL Dyfet GA Dave
Dave Lyons I know at least this much: When you InsertMItem2 by handle, it
*keeps* your handle, so you'd better
Dave Lyons not mess up the data or dispose of that handle.
JWankerl Okay. I call InsterMItem2 then never mess with that handle again.
Got it.
Dave Lyons (It seems not to be disposing of it when the menu goes away;
safest thing is to start up the tools
Dave Lyons with a $1xnn ID and do a DisposeAll on that derived ID when you're
quitting. Not
Dave Lyons a completely separate ID, but one derived from your main ID.)
ShanoJ (Is there any though of making a _CleanUpMyMemory call? Sure would
make things
ShanoJ a whole lot easier... :)
JWankerl Okay. I'll add in code like that, too.
ShanoJ (It could be part of the DWIM toolbox... :)
Dave Lyons What would CleanUpMyMemory do, other than DisposeAll on one or
more derived IDs?
ShanoJ It would DisposeHandle on all the stuff I don't need, and keep the
stuff I
ShanoJ do. Help a lot with error routines. (right, Matt? :)
Matt DTS No comment.
ShanoJ :)
ShanoJ Okay, I've got another ?
JWankerl What would happen if I changed the name of the item I inserted?
Would I have
JWankerl to use another handle? Or could I just keep the old handle and
change it
JWankerl instead, then call CalcMenuSize?
Matt DTS It would probably be best to pass the same handle to SetMItemName
again.
JWankerl I should use the same handle?
Matt DTS (unless the menu manager is disposing of the old one, which I kind
of doubt...)
Matt DTS Dave?
Matt DTS Oh Dave?
Dave Lyons Hi...
JWankerl Should I use the same handle, Dave?
Dave Lyons Yeah, cram the new stuff into the old handle. Sounds like a
plan.
Dave Lyons Of course, if it doesn't work, don't do it. (I think it will, and
I will -not- break things by
Dave Lyons making the Menu Mgr dispose of stuff it does not dispose of
now...that would be bad).
JWankerl Should I call SetMItemName with it, or just CalcMenuSize directly
since
JWankerl the reference is the same?
Dave Lyons You should call SetMItemName.
Matt DTS (Ha.)
JWankerl Okay.
Matt DTS <-- as if he's accomplished something
ShanoJ Okay, my turn. Anyone know how to do a bitwise EOR in a constant
in APW? The
ShanoJ Lichty and Eyes book said that #attrLocked.EOR.$FFFF would do it,
but that
ShanoJ just makes #0, which works for them, but that's only a
coincidence. It sure
JWankerl Do $FFFF-attrLocked
ShanoJ don't work when you need to keep the status of other bits... :(
ShanoJ Okay, does anyone know a CLEAN way to do a bitwise EOR... :)
JWankerl If you just want to flip bits, subtraction does the same thing.
Dave Lyons (Don't you have the manual?? I'd have to look it up....)
Matt DTS According to the APW manual (I have Dave's :), .EOR. should
work.
ShanoJ I looked it up. It was completely unclear. As far as I could tell,
it couldn't
ShanoJ do it, which really surprised me...
ShanoJ No, look again Matt. The manual says that it returns 1 for true
and 0 for
ShanoJ false. All of those .xxx. operators operate on the whole
expression, not on the
ShanoJ individual bits...
Matt DTS oh.
Dave Lyons I think there's a character for it, but I forget.
ShanoJ I was kinda surprised that L & E were wrong (and that I found the
error! :)
AFA Gary J I'm having trouble with the ORCA/M assembler barfing on the "&"
character in
AFA Gary J comments and within quotes. Is it supposed to do that?
Matt DTS It's a toss-up, but it does.
Matt DTS Something about being able to use &sysdate in comments, so it
always does that.
AFA Gary J Oh yeah, the sysdate thingy.
A2GS Don't take the following 2 Q's personally...1) Why can't the GS
upload
A2GS fonts to an Apple Laser-printer?
A2GS 2) Why doesn't GS/OS enjoy it's own FST...allowing the user to
take FULL
A2GS advantage of GS/OS' incredible potential and capabilities??
Dave Lyons Do you *really* want another file system in the world? I don't.
This is a fair question, and
Matt DTS Haven't we gone through #2 about forty bazillion times?
Dave Lyons the idea has certainly been considered around here.
Dave Lyons (Good answer, Matt. :)
AFA Gary J :)
Matt DTS Hey - "tact" is still my middle name.
AFL Marty "Prince of discretion"
A2GS To be honest...yes...I think this kind of FST really would make
the
A2GS GS more flexible (then it already is, hard to believe isn't it)
and would
A2GS allow users to get by the 32 meg partition pain with LARGE HD's.
Matt DTS Yes, but some already-existing file system (like HFS) for
example,
Matt DTS can give the same benefits without creating a new disk format
that's totally incompatible with
Matt DTS *EVERYTHING* else out there, eliminating any possibility of
interchange.
JWankerl Why wave the ability to do it under our nose and tell us that it
won't be done?
AFA Gary J Yes!
AFA Gary J The HFS would be a good one.
Matt DTS No one's arguing that something beyond ProDOS would be a Good
Thing. We just don't think that
Matt DTS creating something new from scratch is going to benefit
everyone.
A2GS The why don't we have an HFS Fst? (please don't take these as
pressure Q's
A2GS or that I'm trying to needle you guy's....you do FANTASTIC
work...)
A2GS I'm just curious.
Matt DTS Why haven't you written a program to produce class 3 PostScript
fonts on the IIgs?
Matt DTS (Probably because you, like us, have limited resources.)\
A2GS Because I don't ACTIVELY use laser printers...
A2GS although I'm sure a lot more people would...if we had many of the
features
A2GS other machines enjoy (who shall remain nameless)
Matt DTS As for #1, this is a subject that I've recently been
investigating. It turns out to be about 3000%
Matt DTS more complicated than I originally thought. Downloaded fonts can
be "coordinated" or "non-coordinated
Matt DTS ". Characters like "tm" and "(C)" and others aren't necessarily
in PostScript font strikes, so
Matt DTS the font vector tables in PostScript must be adjusted to pick the
Symbol font for those characters,
Matt DTS even though the styles may be different (serif vs. sans serif, for
instance). Then there is the issue
Matt DTS of renaming the downloaded font in the printer with the name
"|______fontname" so the printer drivers
Matt DTS can find it, as well as the issue of resolving font naming
conventions (such as "demi" vs. "bold",
Matt DTS "italic" vs. "oblique" vs. "slant", etc.) so that the proper font
can be found, downloaded and used
Matt DTS when the matching (and how does it match?) screen font is used in
a printed document.
Matt DTS (in summary, there's a lot of issues to be worked out and retain
compatibility with the Macintosh
Matt DTS which is already doing it.) <done>
A2GS Couldn't you use the Mac source as a "guide" on writing the proper
routines
A2GS to handle the work?
JWankerl So your program will be ready tomorrow, Matt? :-)
Matt DTS Sure, with an optional 68000 card.
Matt DTS Most of the necessary work is outlined in the "LaserWriter
Reference", actually, and of course we
Matt DTS could use the Mac's LaserWriter driver as a reference, but it's
still at least as complicated
Matt DTS as has briefly been mentioned here, and I'm sure I left out
several issues that would need to be
Matt DTS resolved.
A2GS To be honest: I would seriously consider getting a laser-printer
for my GS...
A2GS for several reasons...But I want to be able to use it to it's FULL
capacity
A2GS without having to get a Mac Classic to do the "little"
things....
A2GS Seems like you guys are under-staffed.
A2GS Thanx for the responses.
Matt DTS It's not as simple as sending a PostScript file - we can do that.
It involves a lot of PostScript
Matt DTS mechanics as well as considerable design on the IIgs or I'm sure
it would have been done by now.
Matt DTS We did get enough of it done to let you use fonts which have
already been downloaded, but not as far
Matt DTS as coordinating the fonts and downloading them. The Mac uses a
demonic posession called the FOND
Matt DTS resource to keep all this straight, and it's a resource straight
from hell. Trust me.
Matt DTS Next?
A2GS Sounds like the REAL headache is in coordinating the Font's not
just getting
A2GS them to the Laser printer (would you be uploading to the LP or
Downloading?)
A2GS done
Matt DTS We refer to it as downloading.
A2GS isn't that backwards?
A2GS sort of?
Dave Lyons (It depends on whether your computer has more or less RAM than the
printer. :-)
A2GS (I'm a perfectionist :-)
A2GS That's why I bought a GS... :-)
Matt DTS By the way, A2, I now have a LaserWriter (Personal NT) at home,
hence the interest. I also have a Mac
Matt DTS to download fonts with, but it's more fun to do it natively (or so
I thought!).
A2GS Keep working at it...I can guarentee Apple one more Laser Printer
sale if you
A2GS can get the dang thing working :-)
Matt DTS Yeah, you'll probably buy an HP and let those other drivers not
work instead of ours. :)
A2GS :)
ShanoJ Okay, question time. If I can't make TextEdit calls from within a
TextEdit hook
ShanoJ routine, do I have to step through the TE data structures MANUALLY
to retrieve
ShanoJ the text?! :(
Dave Lyons Which hook routine, what operation?
ShanoJ "Keystroke filtler procedure"
JWankerl Why do you want to get text for a keystroke filtLer?
JWankerl :-)
ShanoJ Okay, okay, I used one too many "l"s I'll leave one out of a word
in a minute
ShanoJ to make up for it. Just answer the question... :)
A2GS "a minute" doesn't contain any L's
AFA Gary J :)
A2GS I know, I know....it's a terrible joke...but I couldn't resist
:)
Matt DTS Why on God's Green Earth do you want to get the text from a record
in a keystroke fillllllter?
ShanoJ Hey, I said I'd leave it out of "a word", not "a minute".... Come
on... :)
AFA Gary J Well, you did.
ShanoJ Well, I wanna do some fancy stuff, mainly including an undo
command...
JWankerl Hey, you can't do an undo command before I do. :-)
Matt DTS (I was afraid you were going to say that. Darn...)
AFA Gary J (Not this again :)
ShanoJ Shut up. I'm cooler than you are. I wanna do it first... :)
Dave Lyons Matt, I believe some people have managed to do auto-tabbing inside
the key filter (but maybe it
Dave Lyons was a different hook).
Matt DTS Who? TML?
Matt DTS TML did it because they weren't using TaskMaster and watched
everything they passed to TEKey.
Dave Lyons I don't remember who (actually I don't remember for sure that they
got it working how they wanted).
JWankerl That's the way I was gunna handle my undo - just leave the pass
key events to
JWankerl controls bit off and call TEKey myself.
A2GS Suggestion: take up basket weaving and forget the whole thing
:-)
ShanoJ I've thought of that, Albert. Believe me, I've thought of that...
:)
Dave Lyons Why TEKey rather than SendEventToCtl?
JWankerl Good question. I dunno. I guess that would be better.
JWankerl (I could have said that I was not using TextEdit as a control, but
that'd be
JWankerl a lie :-)
Dave Lyons I think so, especially if you'll ever have other controls in your
window--it'll figure out who
Dave Lyons to give it to (and who to give first shot at it).