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~ WELCOME TO GEnieLamp APPLE II! ~
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~ POLISHING GREEN APPLES: Hooked on Classics, Part 3 ~
~ PROFILE: Randy Brandt, AppleWorks programmer ~
~ TYPESET on DR's Examining Table ~
~ TECH TALK: More About Apple II Hybrids ~
~ APPLE II HISTORY: Part 19a, AppleWorks ~
~ HOT NEWS, HOT FILES, HOT MESSAGES ~
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GEnieLamp Apple II ~ A T/TalkNET OnLine Publication ~ Vol.2, Issue 22
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Editor....................................................Douglas Cuff
Publisher.............................................John F. Peters
Copy-Editor...........................................Bruce Maples
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>>> WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE APPLE II ROUNDTABLE? <<<
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~ January 1, 1994 ~
FROM MY DESKTOP ......... [FRM] HEY MISTER POSTMAN ...... [HEY]
Notes From The Editor. Is That A Letter For Me?
HUMOR ONLINE ............ [HUM] REFLECTIONS ............. [REF]
Apple Pie. Telecom Training Centers.
BEGINNER'S CORNER ....... [BEG] REAL-TIME CHATTING ...... [RTC]
Polishing Green Apples, Part 6. WWUG Snapshot, Live!
CowTOONS! ............... [MOO] DR'S EXAMINING TABLE .... [DRT]
Beef Futures. Review of TypeSet.
PROFILES ................ [PRO] TECH TALK ............... [TEC]
Who's Who: Randy Brandt. Apple II Hybrids, Part 2.
WWUG NEWSLETTER ......... [WWU] APPLE II ................ [AII]
January 1994 Report. Apple II History, Part 19a.
LOG OFF ................. [LOG]
GEnieLamp Information.
[IDX]"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
READING GEnieLamp GEnieLamp has incorporated a unique indexing
""""""""""""""""" system to help make reading the magazine easier.
To utilize this system, load GEnieLamp into any ASCII word processor
or text editor. In the index you will find the following example:
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[*]GEnie Fun & Games.
To read this article, set your find or search command to [HUM]. If
you want to scan all of the articles, search for [EOA]. [EOF] will take
you to the last page, whereas [IDX] will bring you back to the index.
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"""""""""""" here in GEnieLamp, you will find all the information you
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message is a "target" message and is referring to a "chain" of two
or more messages that are following the same topic. For example: {58}.
ABOUT GEnie GEnie's monthly fee is $8.95 for which gives you up to four
""""""""""" hours of non-prime time access to most GEnie services, such
as software downloads, bulletin boards, GE Mail, an Internet gateway,
multi-player games and chat lines, are allowed without charge. GEnie's
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(with modem) 1-800-638-8369. Upon connection type HHH. Wait for the U#=
prompt. Type: XTX99014,DIGIPUB and hit RETURN. The system will then
prompt you for your information. Need more information? Call GEnie's
customer service line (voice) at 1-800-638-9636.
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//////////////////////////////////////// GEnie_QWIK_QUOTE ////
/ "To tell the truth, I personally learn more about the /
/ Apple II here on GEnie's A2, and I definitely prefer the /
/ courtesy and respect that we have here in A2 a whole lot /
/ more than the chaos and anarchy of the Internet. But, /
/ every day, the Internet both amazes me and amuses me. If I /
/ were looking for some type of arcane bit of trivia on any /
/ subject, I know I'd turn to Gopher or WAIS before I turned /
/ anywhere else. But, if I had an Apple II related question, /
/ I'd ask it here on GEnie's A2." /
//////////////////////////////////////////////// J.KOHN ////
[EOA]
[FRM]//////////////////////////////
FROM MY DESKTOP /
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Notes From The Editor
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By Douglas Cuff
[EDITOR.A2]
>>> A MIND FOREVER FORAGING <<<
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The tale had a familiar theme, but it still unnerved me.
Tim Rogentine was regaling the denizens of GEnie's A2 RoundTable with
the story of an acquaintance planning to buy a new computer. Mr Rogentine
mentioned the Apple II to this acquaintance, who responded with derisive
laughter.
"Do you know anything about them?" he asked.
"Enough not to get one!" was the reply.
"I know enough not to need to know any more" is a phrase that scares
the willies out of me. It's the beginning of prejudice.
Mr Rogentine's story has a happy ending, for his acquaintance was
reasonable enough to allow him to demonstrate what an Apple IIgs can do,
and open-minded enough to be impressed by it. Occasionally, though, you
come up against someone incapable of understanding the difference between
making up one's mind and closing it.
One of my first lessons in keeping an open mind came from a digital
watch.
When I was in high school, my best friend and I both thought the
digital watch was a pretty neat idea. However, my best friend preferred
an LCD (liquid-crystal digital) display similar to the type now found on
solar-power calculators, while I had nothing but scorn for anything but an
LED (light-emitting diode) display of the sort that now graces our VCR and
microwave oven. After some good-natured but heartfelt debate, we
approached Mr Hicks, a teacher whose opinion we both respected, and laid
the matter before him.
"Which of the two do you prefer?" we asked.
I was confident of a judgment in my favor, a victory. I knew I had
right on my side.
"Oh, a liquid-crystal display," Mr Hicks smiled at both of us.
I was sure he had overlooked the ultimate advantage of the LED
display. "But with LED, you can check the time in the middle of the
night!" I insisted. (For younger readers: LCD watches have not always
featured a night light.)
"Yes, of course," Mr Hicks acknowledged. "That's why I have that sort
of alarm clock. But not on my wristwatch."
Before I could rally from my shock and offer a rebuttal (which ran, I
believe, "Er--"), Mr Hicks distributed another of his all-friends-here
smiles and closed the discussion by leaving us.
I had invested too much emotional energy in my watch to abandon it on
the spot; however, some years later I returned to a more traditional watch
with a dial face that showed time as a kind of distance instead of a
collection of numbers. It took a while, but I had learned a valuable
lesson about the way people think when they are convinced they are on the
side of the angels.
Such people make up their minds -- and then they close them.
Worse still are those who close their minds on the assumption that
they have all the facts. Opinions of one's friends are not facts. One
_own_ opinions are not facts. In short: opinion, no matter how widely
held, is never fact.
Apple II users are accustomed to those who only know enough not to
want to know any more. Occasionally we even find ourselves dismissing the
competition without examining it. Or perhaps we perform a grudging
examination of the alternatives, paying lip-service to the idea of being
open-minded, while determined to remain convinced that the Apple II is
superior. "We'll give 'em a fair trial... and then we'll find 'em
guilty!" It doesn't matter what your position is -- closing your mind will
weaken it.
My Apple IIgs can't do everything, but it does do everything I need it
to, and more. This doesn't mean I refuse to recognize the utility of other
computers; there are indeed tasks currently beyond the capacity of my IIgs.
However, here's the nub: I don't need to do any of those things!
Many years ago, when computers were just starting to become popular
acquisitions, I was given sage advice: counter sales talk of what a
computer can _do_ by reminding yourself what you was _need_ it to do. For
some reason, people seem eager to persuade themselves that they need
something they didn't know existed a minute before. Built-in animation
may be impressive, but not terribly useful if you use your computer for
word processing and telecommunications. Only once in my life have I need a
full-featured desktop publishing program... and that was when I was
working for a book publisher.
The responsibility of keeping an open mind involves a lot more work
than making a decision and sticking to it, come hell or high water... and
of course, there are times when sticking to your decision is the Right
Thing. But closing your mind isn't, not ever.
Once when I was in England, I saw a poster advertising beer which
simply consisted of the brand name and the slogan "I haven't tried it
because I don't like it". I chuckled appreciatively.
That was many years ago... when I was still wearing a digital watch.
[*][*][*]
One or two ancillary matters to deal with before I let you loose on
this month's issue.
First, we love for you to reprint GEnieLamp articles in your
non-profit newsletters, but do be aware that you're required to give us
credit. I read a lot of Apple II user-group newsletters and magazines,
and most are scrupulous about giving credit where credit is due. Last
month, though, I noted with some dismay that one editor had reproduced an
article by Darrel Raines and neither mentioned its source nor printed the
copyright information. Please... if you reprint us, give us credit. See
the end of any issue of GEnieLamp for further information.
Second, thanks to Peter J. Paul for responding to the November 1993
plea of Steven Weyhrich, Apple II historian, for a copy of _Fire in the
Valley_. Thanks also to Dan Cross, who also offered a copy.
-- Doug Cuff
GEnie Mail: EDITOR.A2 Internet: editor.a2@genie.geis.com
[EOA]
[HEY]//////////////////////////////
HEY MISTER POSTMAN /
/////////////////////////////////
Is That A Letter For Me?
""""""""""""""""""""""""
By Douglas Cuff
[EDITOR.A2]
o BULLETIN BOARD HOT SPOTS
o A2 POT-POURRI
o HOT TOPICS
o WHAT'S NEW
o THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE
o MESSAGE SPOTLIGHT
>>> BULLETIN BOARD HOT SPOTS <<<
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
[*] CAT2, TOP3 .............. Computers of yesteryear
[*] CAT5, TOP3 .............. Recommend an Apple IIgs?
[*] CAT9, TOP5 .............. GS/OS disk cache setting
[*] CAT10, TOP10 ............ Apple II on the Internet
[*] CAT12, TOP6 ............. Best external speakers for IIgs
[*] CAT17, TOP9&10 .......... lastPATCH for AppleWorks 4.01
[*] CAT20, TOP12 ............ CD-ROM formats supported
[*] CAT44, TOP5 ............. At the Apple auctions
>>> A2 POT-POURRI <<<
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AREA CODE CHANGES Starting tomorrow, our area code will change from
""""""""""""""""" (313) to (810). Actually, you will still be able to
get through if you use (313) but you'll get a recording reminding you to
use (810) the next time. By this time next year (313) will no longer work.
So if you want to fax something to us, the number is (810) 774-2698.
Our BBS number is (810) 774-2652. And our main voice number is (810)
774-7200.
Our toll-free order line remains unchanged at (800) 777-3642.
(QUALITY, CAT42, TOP1, MSG:9/M645;1)
>>>>> North Carolina has added an area code, and mine has changed:
"""""
Eamon Adventurer's Guild
7625 Hawkhaven Dr.
Clemmons, NC 27012-9408
(910)766-7490
(T.ZUCHOWSKI, CAT16, TOP1, MSG:2/M645;1)
BBS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR SALE The following came in over the APPLE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" echo on Fidonet this morning.
Please sit down and hold on to something before reading it :)
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[Apple Users Conference #5]
[303/307]
From : Lance Taylor-Warren
To : All
Subject: Carry on a Apple II Software tradition...
Date : 29 Nov 93 16:00
Have I got a deal for you...
Have you ever wanted to be your own boss? Have you often
thought about writing your own BBS Program? Now is your chance
to do both. I have the following for sale:
1 - Apple IIgs ROM 03, RGB Monitor, Extended Keyboard (5mb RAM)
1 - Apple IIgs ROM 01, Green Screen, Regular Keyboard (1.5mb+Ram)
1 - 3.5" drive
1 - 5.25" drive
2 - 5.25" drives (w/ controller)
2 - ZipGS Accelerators (8mhz & 9mhz)
1 - Apple SCSI card1 - RAMFast SCSI card (rev c)
1 - Seagate 43mb Hard Drive
1 - Quantum 80mb Hard Drive
1 - Stereo Card for GS
1 - ProDEV DDT 16 Debugging board
And the icing on the offer, all the source code and commercial
distribution rights for GBBS Pro (Both ProDOS and DOS 3.3 versions)
and the source code and distribution rights for LLUCE as it stands
today. This means you will fully own BOTH products. I will also
include EVERYTHING I have Apple II related. The systems will include
everything on the hard drives. All the sources and other development
stuff as well as the DPS Support BBS as it is the day of the sale.
Also included is the index cards of all known registered owners of
GBBS Pro.
As you have by most likely figured out, I'm selling all my Apple
II stuff in hopes that someone out there has the time and the
motivation to finish LLUCE and make a run for the market that's out
there for it. I'm tired of looking at it and would love to see
someone else run with it.
Our projected marketing figures for LLUCE show that is has the
potential to make well over $100,000 once it's done. All that is
really left to finish is the docs and the installation/configure
program. Once someone has come up to speed on how things are setup,
you could have a new BBS product within a month. With the rapidly
declining prices of Apple II equipment it becomes an even better
platform to use as a base for a BBS. Why tie up a Mac or a IBM to use
as a BBS with that Apple II sitting in the corner collecting dust is
just perfect for the task. So now the BIG question...
How much do I want for everything listed above? Well, even tho
it's worth well over $20,000. I'm willing to let it go at a fraction
of that price to the right person. If you are interested, please
contact me at 702-322-5533 or via the following e-mail address,
Internet: lance@dps.com, Fidonet 1:213/312 or 1:213/0.
Visa/MC/Discover/AMEX accepted.
- Lance Taylor-Warren
--- GoldED 2.42.G1125
* Origin: Net 213 NC - Internet Gateway Reno, NV (702) 322-9796
(1:213/0)
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My comments? I'm not sure how he was expecting to make $100,000 off
it with METAL being freeware... if it was going to make that much, why
didn't he finish it? But then who knows...
Dave
(JUST.DAVE, CAT41, TOP9, MSG:141/M645;1)
BACKDROP PATTERNS CONTEST Send us your original BackDrop patterns by
""""""""""""""""""""""""" January 31, 1994 and we'll pick the best one.
The winner will recieve a shiny new check for $25 (ok, it's not a lot, but
this isn't brain surgery either folks ;-) AND you'll get your name and
pattern published on an issue of Softdisk G-S!!!
You can send your patterns to SOFTDISK.INC or you can mail them:
Softdisk Publishing
ATTN: Softdisk G-S
606 Common Street
Shreveport LA 71101
Good Luck!
(SOFTDISK.INC, CAT34, TOP15, MSG:1/M645;1)
WORDPERFECT WASHES THEIR HANDS, THEN FLUSHES I received WPGS from a
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" parent of 1 of my students
when they got a Mac. The WPGS came with manual and 4 disks. . .No program
disk. They moved out of town. I sent in the registartion card to Utah and
requested a backup copy. WP called me back and said they copied over all
GS copies with Mac versions. No more copies available. Nice huh?
(M.SCHOOP, CAT8, TOP8, MSG:84/M645;1)
EASTER EGG IN APPLEWORKS 4 there's even an easter egg in AWKS 4.0 - go to
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" the very end of the main menu Help screen and
press OA-A...
Udo - ... just a IIGS freak -
(U.HUTH, CAT42, TOP29, MSG:170/M645;1)
TRIVIA DROPS TEXT MODE I would like to know how the TRIVIA board can get
"""""""""""""""""""""" away with kicking all Apple users off of TRIVIA?
TRIVIA no longer plays in TEXT format and they do not offer front end
graphic software for the Apple users IIE, IIC, or GS. They decided a couple
of weeks ago to stop playing in TEXT mode. I complained in an e-mail to the
Trivia feed back, and I will admit I called them Creeps for doing it but
that was after I spoke with customer service and they said they could do
nothing about it. The answer back to me was that they would not put text
format back and that my system was obsolete and I should buy a new one.
That they are not responsible for people who insist on keeping obsolete
systems. WRONG THING TO SAY TO AN APPLE USER!. They even informed me I
could buy inexpensive equipment from them. I think that the answer stunk
and I almost dropped Geanie services. I decided to give it another month
because Gene from the round table was supposed to get back with me, but I
have not heard anything. Another person is now investigating, I think her
name is Pat (I forgot to write it down). I really enjoyed playing trivia
and had friends that played there. It really isn't fair that TRIVIA is
allowed to disciminate like this. Please, the powers that be, consider
putting back Text mode or giving the Apple IIE & C, C+ & GS users front end
graphic software so we can fully enjoy ALL of Geanies services.
PeggyTheodorakis
(M.THEODORAKI, CAT3, TOP13, MSG:148/M645;1)
>>>>> There are a few multi-player GEnie games that require graphic front
""""" ends where none are available for the Apple II (Air Warrior and
BattleTech, I think.) But this is the first I've seen of a current game
that actually removed a text version for no apparent reason.
Most of the games have graphic front ends, but for the most part they
aren't required. I can't think of a reason why Trivia can't be played in
straight text unless they've made some major changes.
If you get a response explaining their reasoning, please let us know.
Tony Ward [via GEM 4.21/PT 3.1]
(A2.TONY, CAT3, TOP13, MSG:151/M645;1)
>>>>> <Sigh> I hate this.
""""" No, what's going on in NTN Trivia is not a "sign of things to
come." We're still gung-ho on Apple II support here, and plan to be here
for many years to come, and we're still at work on new products for the
Apple II to make GEnie a better experience.
Why the folks who run NTN Trivia are doing this is beyond me. I'm
offended by the "obsolete computer" line myself.
One of the things we have trouble making people understand is that on
GEnie, different people run different areas. We who run the A2 RTs have
nothing to do at all with the people who run NTN Trivia. What they say
does not go for us, and vice-versa.
I will have a word with them about their choice of language. I can't
argue with them about their software choices; apparently they feel that
the changes they're making to their own software makes an ASCII version
undoable. I can't argue with them about that because I'm not a
programmer. But I WILL speak to them about their attitude.
Dean Esmay
(A2.DEAN, CAT3, TOP13, MSG:158/M645;1)
EASTER EGG IN QUICKIE Has anyone else found Quickie's Easter Egg? <G>
""""""""""""""""""""" I'm using v3.1 so I'm not sure if it works with
earlier versions. Once you have a picture on screen (either loaded or
scanned), click on the empty space in the menu bar right of the Color menu.
A hidden menu! Now you can change the tone of your picture from Grey to
Brown, Green, Yellow, Red, or Blue.
-Ken (KEN.GAGNE, CAT40, TOP8, MSG:178/M645;1)
>>>>> Congratulations, Ken!
""""" As the first user to describe the Easter Egg, you get the prize -
specifically, a congratulatory message from me, the author. (Note
congratulatory message on first line of this post. :)
I had rather hoped that people would find and enjoy this feature of
Quickie 3.1, especially since I am a great fan of toning in my own
darkroom projects. For many images, toning provides character and depth
that is just not present in a simple gray-scale picture.
Have fun!
Steve
(S.MCQUEEN1, CAT40, TOP8, MSG:179/M645;1)
APPLEWORKS QUICK-DELETE FOR FILES Tonight I inadvertantly discovered
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" "expert" mode while in the file-delete
operations. Which is to say I pressed OA-Return while a file was
highlighted. I saw the hard drive light flash, suspected the worst and
immediately exited to ProSel and launched the exhume utility -- which,
thank Glen Bredon, salvaged a file that had several hours of work in it.
I think this is a dangerous feature, and I fear that a few people
will lose a few files because of it.
(D.CRUTCHER, CAT42, TOP29, MSG:224/M645;1)
DESKJET OR DESKWRITER Not quite the ONLY difference. The DeskWriter's
""""""""""""""""""""" serial port only speaks at a high baud rate
(56.6k?) meaning you need a special high-speed serial driver to use it on a
IIGS. Also, the DeskWriter has AppleTalk capability built in (although you
need a Mac to use this; there are no AppleTalk DeskWriter drivers for the
IIGS). The DeskJet has a parallel interface (in addition to its serial
interface) while the DeskWriter only has the serial/AppleTalk interface
(it's one port). Finally, the DeskWriter comes with Mac drivers while the
DeskJet does not (may come with Windows drivers; dunno).
The breakdown - DeskJet: IIe, IIc, IIGS with appropriate interface or cable
Works with GS/OS programs via Harmonie
Works with 8-bit programs that print plain text
or which have drivers (Publish It, AppleWorks)
Serial or parallel interface
Also the best choice for a PC
DeskWriter: IIGS only via serial cable
Works with GS/OS programs via Harmonie
Does not work with 8-bit programs (or any
programs which do not use the GS/OS
print manager, e.g. ORCA shell, etc.)
Also the best choice for Mac
Where I say Harmone, you can also use Independence (similar product).
(QUALITY, CAT12, TOP8, MSG:203/M645;1)
PICKFONTS WORK-AROUND Pickfonts is not compatible with AppleWorks 4.0.
""""""""""""""""""""" I would assume that it will be updated. In the
meantime, a good workaround is to create a database with three catagories.
(Font name, recno, and font code)
Place the following formula in the recno field.
@currecno (check the oa-f to be sure I've got it right)
Then put this formula in the font code field.
@join("<",[recno],"=",[font name],">")
Insert enough blank records to hold your fonts.
for all the fonts that reside in the superfonts standard directory,
type it's name into the font name field. ex courier.12, courier.10...
If the font resides elsewhere, type the full pathname. ex
/q1/system/fonts/new.york.24
When the file is complete, save it as Superfonts in an easy accessble
directory.
Create a glossary in the word processor that lists the font name and
returns the font code followed by a <rtn>.
There you have it. Pickfonts. You will need to have the database on
your desktop when you plan to use superfonts.
(W.CARVER1, CAT42, TOP29, MSG:323/M645;1)
WHO KILLED THE ROM 04 IIGS? One reason Apple supported the II as long as
""""""""""""""""""""""""""" they did was that there were some VERY loyal
people at Apple that still believed in the II -- they just happened to be
in the minority and weren't the ultimate decision makers.
For example: the fabled ROM 04 GS? From what I understand it was all
set to go into production and was killed at the VERY last minute by none
other than Jean Louie himself. <sigh>
Bryan
(SOFTDISK.INC, CAT5, TOP3, MSG:292/M645;1)
>>>>> Forgive me, but Jean Louis had long since departed Apple when the
""""" ROM 4 was killed. The principle person that killed off the ROM 4
was Bob (Petute) Puette.
Tyler
(A2.TYLER, CAT5, TOP3, MSG:293/M645;1)
>>> HOT TOPICS <<<
""""""""""""""""""
QUALITY WILL NOT BUY THE APPLE II I want to lay this one to rest once and
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" for all. There are three chances of
Quality (or anyone else) taking over the Apple II line: slim, fat, and
none.
It's not for sale. If it was, it would be priced to drive any
potential purchaser out of business shortly (or so that the machines could
not compete price-wise with the Macintosh, which amounts to the same
thing).
Apple is going to sell us THEIR technology so we can turn around and
compete with them? I don't think so.
We were able to get AppleWorks because it cost Claris basically
nothing to give it up. (They are saving enough in tech support staff and
getting enough in royalties to make it worth their while.) The fact that
we are selling AppleWorks does not compete with Claris in any way; if it
did, they never would have allowed it.
(QUALITY, CAT5, TOP3, MSG:205/M645;1)
WHILE AS FOR AN APPLE II POWERPC... Jerry - Could you comment on the
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" remarks in the latest Enhance about
Quality creating a II or IIGS emulator for the PowerPC?
Thanks...
Joe Kohn
(J.KOHN, CAT5, TOP3, MSG:206/M645;1)
>>>>> We're looking into it. An Apple IIe emulator would probably be
""""" pretty easy (actually, we'd likely try to get our hands on the
Laser ROM code); a IIGS emulator would likely require Apple's cooperation,
which I don't think we'll get. (We're still studying the technical
feasibility of that one yet.) And, of course, we're testing the waters.
If a lot of teachers tell us they'll buy such a thing, it would make us a
lot more interested in doing it. B)
I'm dubious it will come to pass. But then, I felt the same way
about the AW4 deal with Claris, so I've been wrong before. B)
(QUALITY, CAT5, TOP3, MSG:207/M645;1)
AUCTION REPORTS I know there is supposed to be a place to put
""""""""""""""" information about the auctions but I can't find it. So
if this message needs to be moved, please do so.
I want to let everyone who might be attending any future Apple
Auctions to get the word out loud and wide NOT to keep bidding up. It
makes not sense bidding up for items because then everyone pays a higher
price.
I got a IIgs, with a color monitor with a Superdrive (is that just a
regular 3.5 drive or is it the 1.44 drive?) for $350. I thought that that
was a good deal.
This is the way the auction works:
There is a list of items to be auctioned off and the list just keeps
getting repeated throughout the day with a different number of units
available each time around.
Here is a list of items and their prices the third time around:
Quadra 950 8 MB Ram, 400 M HD 2/ 16" RGB, extended keyboard : $ 3950
Quadra 700 4 meg ram, floppy same RGB and kb as above : $ 2400
Mac II vx 4/230 14" color monitor : $ 1300
Mac II vx 4/80 14" color monitor : $ 1000
Powerbook 170 (didn't get the price)
Powerbook 165 120 hd : $ 1550
PBook 160 120 hd : $ 1350
PBook 160 80 HD : $ 1150
PBook 145 80 HD : $ 1050
PBook 145 40 HD (all Pbooks w/ 4meg ram) : $ 950
PBook duo 210 80 HD w/ floppy adapter & floppy drive : $ 1050
II si, 3M ram, 40 HD, 12" Mon and standard Kb : $ 800
Laserwriter IIF : $ 825
Laserwriter IIg : $ 1000
Mac Classic II 4 mg ram, 40 HD : $ 525
IIgs RGB Monitor w/ 1 Superdrive : $ 350
Personal Laserwriter LS : $ 375
Select 310 Laserwriter : $ 700
Color Printer : $ 400
Color Scanner : $ 800
CD Rom 150 Drive : $ 150
They had other a few other items but I was unable to get those prices.
These were the prices for individual units. The prices when sold in lots
of 10 or more were lower. I was going to buy the CD Rom drive but two
people told me that the price was too high by about $50. Given some of the
bidding I saw and the prices, I wonder if Apple or the auction company had
some plants. I saw a few people who keep their cards up on a lot of items
until the price got to a certain point then never bid on the item again and
did not take any items. Wierd!
Sorry for the long message but I wanted to let people who were
planning on attending any future Apple auctions to know what the going
prices were, at least in New England. (RON.ROYER, CAT2, TOP4,
MSG:355/M645;1)
>>>>> Here is a list of the things auctioned off in Boston and the
""""" prices as the day went on and different lots were reoffered:
Quadra 950, 8mb Ram, 400mb HD $4,750 $3,950 $3,850 $3,900 $3,800 $3,700
w/ 16" monitor & Ext Keyb
Quadra 700, 4 mb Ram, Floppy $2,400
Drive, monitor & keyb
Power Book 170, 4R, 40 HD $1,400
PB 165, 4R, 120 HD $1,550 $1,450
PB 160 4R, 120 HD $1,350 $1,350
PB 160 4R, 80 HD $1,250
PB 145 4R, 80 HD $1,050 $975
PB 145 4R, 40 HD $950 $925
PB Duo 210, 4R, 80HD, $1,050
w/ Floppy adp & drive
IIsi, 3R, 40HD, 12"Mon, std Ky $800 $700 $575 $675 $700
LW II F $825 $850 $675 $700 $700
LW II G $1,000 $1,000 $1,000 $1,050
Classic II, 4R, 40HD $525 $525 $425 $500 $525
IIGS Mon, Super Drive $350 $375 $300 $300 $300
Personal LW w/ Accs Kit $375 $400 $400 $425 $400
Select 310 LW $700 $625 $650
Color Printer $400 $375 $350 $350
Color Scanner w/ accs kit $800 $800 $800
CD rom 150 ROM $250 $175 $150 $140 $130 $140
Apple Speakers (pair) $115 $110
16" RGB monitor $800 $800 $775 $775
I missed a couple of prices here than there that's why the blanks.
The kidneys only last so long. Also the back in those fold up chairs.
My feeling was about the best price you were going to get was
wholesale. There was quite a few dealers there and if the prices were to
low they would keep bidding because it was a real good buy and where
trying to get the merchandise for there business. Once the price was no
long attractive the buyers would stop buying and the general public took
over. There was around 4,000 bidders there.
A good example of this was the MAC Classic at $425. Normally with the
price was in the $500 range and a lot of different people bought them at
this price. But the classic was bid on right after a comment from the
Ross-Davis people that no one was bidding up prices and they didn't care
what the prices were. This was in a direct response to a flyer passed
around saying Ros-Davis was trying to artificially inflate the prices
either in their own interests or Apple's interest. (I don't feel that was
happening) The bid on the Classic stopped at $425 and everyone was all
set to get a great price, but low and behold when the auctioneer asked the
high bidder how many machines he wanted the bidder replied "all of them".
No doubt a buyer who also knew a good price.
I think the individual buyer some times got caught up in the heat of
the auction and where not using there head. A lot of the time there were
hundreds of the items being bid and the price was bid to high by some one
and there ended up only be a few items sold and the rest ended up being
sold in large lots. Also people had there minds set on a particular
product and paid the price.
I sat next to a guy who wanted a Quadra but he had gotten a quote from
a local dealer several hundred dollars less than what the machines went
for.
Probably on the best bargains were the GS's. It was a Rom 3 machine
with keyboard, mouse, monitor AND they were giving you a Super drive for
the 3.5" drive (no 5 1/4). If I had known they were giving the super
drive I would have bought a couple more than the one I did buy. Parts
alone are worth a couple hundred dollars more than that. Live and learn.
All in all it was an interesting experience. I bought another GS, a
Mac IIvx and a cd rom player. I was happy with what I paid and got, just
wish I had bought a couple more GS's. I'd have my own network in the
house. Now I have to figure out how to network the ones I have.
(___)
|
Buzz \/\/. _|_ enjoy vino
(W.WALLING1, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:26/M645;1)
>>>>> I hit the auction in Herndon today. It never fails to amaze me
""""" what a**holes people are. People were bidding against each other
to get one machine that were in lots of 100+, even when they knew the high
bidder wouldn't take them all. The prices were outrageous! Apple
Computer made a bundle. They should probably think about getting rid of
their dealer network and just hold about 6 auctions a year. :) Some of
the audience had flyers from local sellers. The prices in the flyers were
often considerably less then what the stuff went for at the auction. They
did sell over 400 IIGS's at the auction though. That puts more out there
for our developers to reach!! I got one on the next to last lot (5th) for
$370. Not bad for a new ROM 3 with RGB monitor and SuperDrive.
I got my GS on the 5th lot and didn't wait to see what the last lot
went for. Can you believe that people were buying GS's for $575 and $550
?? They sold a bunch at that price too! I wonder how many of them went
home and were suprised that a GS isn't a model of Macintosh. :)
\\ ,;\\,, "It's better to be a big fish in a small pond
\\\;;::::::::::o:. than a small fish in the ocean"
/^^"""//////::::::< -Rod
(J.NICOLETTE1, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:37/M645;1)
>>>>> I bought 3 ROM 3 IIGSs with RGB and SuperDrives and two CD-150s. I
""""" bought the IIGS's for $400.00 and the CD-150s for $140.00. I had a
blast. Tony from AllTech was there. He was the only person there I had
seen before. Tony was buying up the large lots of IIGSs.
__
/ \
\__/ 3 GS.Ozoneman - IIGS Infinitum!
(GS.OZONEMAN, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:42/M645;1)
>>>>> Now THAT is really encouraging! Maybe we'll see his IIgs Portables
""""" after all! (Sign me up, Tony!)
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...Will
(W.NELKEN1, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:46/M645;1)
>>>>> Was Tony Diaz the guy sitting towards the back of the room? Kind
""""" of ethnic looking and sort of nervous. At one point did he buy a
balance of a GS lot that included 18?
We (Apple II users) should have met at one place in the auction room.
One of us could have brought a sign that said something like "Apple II
Users Meet Here!" or something. That would have been cool.
(J.NICOLETTE1, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:45/M645;1)
>>>>> Yes, that was him. I was setting right across from him with my
""""" wife. I wish we Apple II users had meet in one place. If not to
do anything but meet the people we talk to online everyday. 8-)
He told me that he had been to all three of the Ross-Dove Actions, so
that most likely was him. When I talked to him he told me he had 800 IIGSs
in a warehouse back home. 8-) His portable was back in his hotel room.
He offered to let me come by and see it, but I had to get back on the road
after the auction for the 6 hour drive back home.
(GS.OZONEMAN, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:50/M645;1)
AUCTIONS END The party's over. There were only three Apple auctions.
"""""""""""" I called Ross-Dove to ask about what will happen to
whatever's left, and left a message, but they didn't return my call (I'm
not too surprised). I suppose:
1) Apple will decide to hold another auction sometime in the future
2) Apple will take a steam roller and roll over whatever's left
3) Apple might take back whatever's left to keep a small inventory
Someone better check the dumpsters in Herndon, VA, site of the last
auction. :(
__!__
| Terrell Smith
| tsmith@ivcfnsc.fullfeed.com
(T.SMITH59, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:55/M645;1)
>>>>> No WAY. They'll probably wind up with Sun Remarketing.
"""""
(GARY.UTTER, CAT44, TOP5, MSG:57/M645;1)
LASTPATCH CONTROVERSY I talked with John Link today to inquire about the
""""""""""""""""""""" lastPATCH arrangements. He explained that
initially he was only going to release it on his own SuperStuff bulletin
board. Then, persuaded by his good friendship with John Connelly, he
conceded to letting John release it in his NAUG area on AOL, and granted
NAUG the rights to duplicate the disk for their members.
So this did not start off as an anti-GEnie move at all, and was only
released to AOL and NAUG after some hefty negotiations with a good friend.
lastPATCH is a freeware gift from John to the Apple II community in
appreciation for the interest and support of the past. It represents about
forty hours of work and is thoroughly copyrighted. lastPATCH is an
AppleWorks 4.0-specific patch program offering the following options:
1. No return after pressing the number of the menu selection (hot keys).
2. Defeat automatic form feed in Apple-H screen dumps.
3. Overstrike cursor instead of insert at startup.
4. Change error tone on any Apple II.
5. Change "Do you really (etc)" to "Really?"
6. Change "Type entry (etc)" to "Enter any d*** thing you want".
7. Change "Preloading AppleWorks" message to anything you want.
8. Move Apple-Q Menu to upper right corner.
9. MouseText marks instead of text arrows in all menus.
10. Change "Carefully saving" message to anything you want.
11. Change "Path" to MouseText.
12. Change "Subdirectory" to MouseText.
13. Change "Disk" to MouseText.
14. Change "Disk volume" to MouseText.
15. Change "More" to MouseText down arrows.
16. Reverse all "No/Yes" queries to "Yes/No".
17. Change <cr> character to MouseText bent arrow.
18. Customize Page Break lines as MouseText.
John wants everyone to know that the program is available for a phone
call to the SuperStuff bulletin board at 1-616-381-1726. I'm not certain
yet if it is now available on the following boards, but it is expected to
be:
John Connelly's BBS (1-313-421-9144)
NAUG's BBS (1-615-359-8238)
Quality Computers' BBS (1-313-774-2652)
It is about a 3-minute download. At the right hour, that call should
cost less than mailing a disk for a copy from a friend.
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...Will
(W.NELKEN1, CAT17, TOP10, MSG:46/M645;1)
>>>>> > Has anyone flamed-out long enough to call John Link and ask him
""""" > to reconsider?
I wrote him a letter, but not to ask him to reconsider or to ask him
why. Whether his program is on GEnie or not is none of my business or
concern. I did ask about some personal business, then lamented the lack of
DeskJet documentation on the AppleWorks 4.0 disk. In case anyone has been
on another planet, the reason we now have DeskJet Drivers built in to
AppleWorks 4.0 is thanks to John Link. The reason we don't know how to use
them is because nobody thought to include documentation other than the
Ctrl-A and other commands added by Randy.
(B.CADIEUX, CAT17, TOP9, MSG:194/M645;1)
DISCPASSAGE CD-ROM QUERIES > do the DiscPassage format CD ROMs work the
"""""""""""""""""""""""""" > same on a GS with discQuest as they do on
> whatever platform they were "designed for"?
Yes, and in some cases, better (the PC version of the software really
bites).
> And will the package work with the Apple HS SCSI card, or do I need a
> RAMFast?
Yes. Only an Apple CD-ROM drive will work with the HS SCSI card, but
that onfiguration is fully supported by discQuest.
Jawaid
(PROCYON.INC, CAT20, TOP12, MSG:83/M645;1)
APPLEWORKS 4.01 UPDATES GOOF <Sigh> Apparently, in the fray of stuffing
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" all of those little white mailers, we ran
out of disks and one of the assembly line folks ran back to the duplicator
for a new set of disks. Sadly, they must have picked up a box slated for
re-duplication that contained v. 4.0 instead of the newly duplicated 4.01
disks. We think this only affects a small number of the updates sent out.
It would help us out a lot if any of you could report the version
number of AppleWorks that you get when you get this update. It comes in a
small white mailer, and it should arrive at your doors anytime from today
till mid next week.
Needless to say, we extend our apologies for the mixup.
(W.ARCHER2, CAT42, TOP29, MSG:265/M645;1)
OUTLINER FOR AW4 DELAYED I had hoped to finish Outliner by Christmas, but
"""""""""""""""""""""""" it's becoming obvious that it won't be done
until 1994 (maybe not started until then). AfterWork is getting close, but
I haven't been able to work on it for a few days. I hope to get back to it
tomorrow, and I expect we'll be shipping before Christmas.
(BRANDT, CAT42, TOP29, MSG:313/M645;1)
RECORDING MACROS IN AW4 Three or so people have mentioned limited
""""""""""""""""""""""" recording. As Steve pointed out, that's because
you're using the default set, which only has a handful of bytes free,
thanks to Steve packing it full of features. You can remove the macros you
don't need and then recompile and resave the default to leave free space,
or if you just want easy playback of temporary keys, use macro 0.
The reason you can't use OA-X to replace an existing macro is because
of the way commands like "next", "rpt" and "()x" work. This change was made
in AW 3 with Ultra 4 to allow maximum speed and to eliminate the old
problems with some "bad" numbers causing problems inside of loops. You can
record over any temporary recorded macros, but macros which were compiled
and are part of the set can't be replaced by OA-X.
(BRANDT, CAT42, TOP29, MSG:335/M645;1)
>>> WHAT'S NEW <<<
""""""""""""""""""
SPECTRUM SHIPS! Spectrum is a new graphics-based telecommunications
""""""""""""""" program written specifically for the Apple IIgs. It uses
the standard Apple IIgs "desktop interface" so it's easy to learn and use.
And you don't need to sacrifice speed or features.
Spectrum supports baud rates from 50 to 57,600 and includes many file
transfer protocols (including Zmodem and CompuServe B+, both of which
support auto- receiving and auto-resuming interrupted file transfers).
A powerful, yet easy to use, scripting language lets Spectrum be
tailored specifically for individual use. Scripts can do almost anything,
ranging from emulating a bulletin board to the daily automatic logging,
sending and retrieving of mail.
A rich text editor is built-in for convenience (supports text,
TeachText, and AppleWorks Classic file formats).
Spectrum requires System 6.0 (or later) and is compatible with The
Manager v1.1 (not available yet).
The retail price of Spectrum is $129.95.
Special Introductory Offer Through January 31, 1994 Spectrum is available
'''''''''''''''''''''''''' at the VERY special introductory price of only
$50 plus $3.50 shipping and handling. To order call 904-575-0566, M-F, 9-5
ET, or just submit your order via e-mail (provide your name, address, phone
number, and Visa/Mastercard/Discover number with expiration date).
Thanks, --Dave
(SEVENHILLS, CAT43, TOP15, MSGS:1&2/M645;1)
<<<<< ARRRRGGG! Well, after creating the master Spectrum disks we did a
""""" test Install to make sure the Installer scripts were working right.
Sure enough they did and SP ran on our system. HOWEVER, our system already
had a required file installed...Spectrum REQUIRES the "Hierarchic" INIT,
but this file was overlooked in our installation scripts, and it is not
included on either Spectrum disk.
SO, unless you already have Hierarchic (from owning Kangaroo, TransProg,
The Manager, or Super Menu Pack) this means you will not be able to run
Spectrum until you get Hierarchic. :( I will upload a copy of Hierarchic
into the A2 libraries and post the file number when I do. In the meantime
you can download Hierarchic (along with some extra tech info) from the
A2Pro library:
Type: M530;3 (A2Pro software library)
Then select option 6 (download a file)
Then specify file number 3552
I really apologize for this major oversight.
Thanks, --Dave
P.S. All disks shipped on 12/17/93 or later have this problem corrected.
(SEVENHILLS, CAT43, TOP15, MSG:10/M645;1)
DANGEROUS BUG CONFIRMED IN HARDPRESSED There have been a few (two or
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" three) cases where somebody has
reported that HardPressed + LZSS has flat-out trashed their files. I've
gone around in circles trying to duplicate it, but wasn't able to.
Well, finally somebody determined that if you use a profile that
compresses everything with the unlikely combination of differential + LZSS
+ adaptive Huffman (supposedly great for MODs), compressing and
uncompressing the same file a couple of times will leave you with a hosed
file. Guess what, I made it happen. :-(
The fix required is a replacement LZSS module, which I will upload as
soon as I verify that I haven't introduced any new problems. I'll be
sending a copy of it immediately to everybody who has had problems with it
before (assuming I still have their e-mail addresses), so they can verify
that the problems are gone.
In the mean time, turn "verify" on. It WILL catch any problems with
LZSS trashing a file. The nature of the bug is such that, if you haven't
seen any problems before now, you probably won't, but there's no telling
whether adding a new INIT to the system will shift things around enough.
The bug has been in there since HP v1.0, and VERY few people have reported
problems.
I'm glad we finally got this one... I've been worried about these
mysterious file trashings.
- Andy
(FADDEN, CAT37, TOP3, MSG:151/M645;1)
>>> THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE <<<
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
NO GENIE MASTER FOR APPLEWORKS 4? There is a legal holdup right now, so I
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" can't say when, if ever, we'll be
releasing an update to GEM to work with Appleworks 4. There's not much
more I can say about it at the moment.
Dean Esmay
(A2.DEAN, CAT29, TOP3, MSG:74/M645;1)
NEW COPILOT SCRIPTS BEGIN _SERIOUS_ BETA Okay, it's time for plan B.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The ProTerm scripts, while very CLOSE to being ready, just won't be
in shape for a 12/22 release.
The modified Installer (to handle Spectrum) is ready, but has not had
ANY Beta testing, which makes it a very iffy proposition to haul off and
attempt to produce a new version of CoPilot based on it by 12/22.
SO, here is what we are going to do.
On 12/22 I will upload the new scripts for TIC and Spectrum, complete
with all files needed to run Spectrum/CoPilot as an OPEN BETA. That means
that we have already run a Beta cycle, and things look pretty good, but we
are going to use y'all for guinea pigs for a couple of weeks.
The new PT scripts will also go up, with installation instructions,
as Open Beta, as soon as they are ready. (Very soon, but NOT on 12/22.)
After those of you who choose to download them and use them for a
couple of weeks, and after we have thoroughly tested the other stuff we
need to include, we will THEN put together a new release of CoPilot.
This will allow us to put out a better product in the long run.
Those of you who don't HAVE CoPilot should hold off for a few weeks
longer and download the new version when we have it all complete. (That is
a VERY strong suggestion...)
Those of you who are getting Spectrum, and want to use it with
CoPilot, will need to download CoPilot and install it for use with TIC,
then download the new Spectrum scripts and install them over the files you
just installed. I'll give instructions here for anyone who needs thme.
Gary R. Utter (GARY.UTTER, CAT29, TOP13, MSG:84/M645;1)
HARDWARE MYSTERY UNDER WRAPS Joachim Lange (J.Lange7) of SHH Systeme has
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" contacted me to handle doing some beta
testing of a new peripheral for the Apple //e and //GS that is in the final
phases of development. I now know exactly what this product is, and what
hardware it supports (and is capable of supporting). There isn't (to my
knowledge) any product currently available for the Apple // series that
does what this card does, or even comes close to it. I believe that it will
be of great use to many Apple //e and //GS users (myself included) once it
has passed some further real world testing and has had some further
development work done on the associated driver code (which exists but needs
some minor work done to fully support the capabilities of the hardware). I
expect to have a beta revision of this hardware in my hands soon, along
with the source code for the drivers. When this "vaporware" is firmly in my
hands (err... in my //GS :), I'll post a message confirming it's arrival.
-Harold
(using the new CoP/TIC scripts :)
(H.HISLOP, CAT2, TOP4, MSG:118/M645;1)
>>>>> > BTW, my guess is a device to use ISA cards in a GS. I've been
""""" > told Derek Taubert is working on one, too.
Derek would like to, but I have him quite busy working on something
else that will make FAR more money :-)
Jawaid
(PROCYON.INC, CAT13, TOP23, MSG:26/M645;1)
>>>>> Joachim gave a few hints in this topic a few messages back - was
""""" last week if I remember correctly. He said: what can be connected
to this gizmo is usually cheap(er) and you can connect more than one.
Udo - ... just a IIGS freak -
(U.HUTH, CAT13, TOP23, MSG:57/M645;1)
>>>>> The clues thus far,
"""""
> what can be connected to this gizmo is usually cheap(er) and you
> can connect more than one.
> There isn't (to my knowledge) any product currently available for
> the Apple // series that does what this card does, or even comes
> close to it.
> development work done on the associated driver code (which exists
> but needs some minor work done to fully support the capabilities of
> the hardware). I
Usaully cheaper; existing driver code. The only thing I can come up
with is a card that allows you to use 1.2 and 1.4 drives. They are the
only periphral that is cheaper and we already have 5.25 and 3.5 drivers.
(J.FENSKE2, CAT13, TOP23, MSG:64/M645;1)
WAITING SIGNATURE UPGRADE AND Q-FAX We'd hoped to have some Signature
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" upgrade or other by now, but D. Proni
(the program's author) had his hands more than full with his own company,
Econ. If we can get Q Fax finished up, maybe then we can start looking at
some new features for Signature. B)
(QUALITY, CAT42, TOP2, MSG:76/M645;1)
MULTI-LINE BBS FOR THE IIGS? > I think that most sysop's whould jump on
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > that wagon, if the option for a multiline
> BBS's systems got serius.
The existing GS hardware permits at least a 3-node BBS: two incoming
data lines and one local login. When my GS was at 8 MHz, it handled a
simultaneous console login and dialup login at 2400 bps very easily. I
doubt that a second 2400 dialup would affect performance noticeably. The
GNO serial drivers are quite efficient, so I would be interested in seeing
how fast I push both serial ports at the same time, while logged in myself.
(B.TAO, CAT13, TOP23, MSG:38/M645;1)
>>>>> One of the reasons Andrew (Roughan) and myself wrote Eclipse
""""" (BBS package with language), was to everntually get a multi-line BBS
running, on ONE machine. I believe it is possible, although in those days
the line speeds were slow enough to alow multi-threading etc. without the
user noticing any slow downs. I don't have GNO, so I don't know how it
performs, but a custom threader...
If anyone is interested, drop me some mail. We may just continue from
where we left off.
Regards,
Richard
(RICHARD.B, CAT13, TOP23, MSG:61/M645;1)
WILD RUMOR DEPARTMENT You know, I heard someone say that Apple Inc. has
""""""""""""""""""""" just came out with another new computer. But this
one is different. It's a 486 clone???
If this is true, then their either desperate for $$ or they don't
have much faith in the Macs!
Tim Rogentine
(T.ROGENTINE1, CAT5, TOP3, MSG:245/M645;1)
IIGS STEREO GIZMO I'm wondering...
""""""""""""""""" How many people here would be intrested in an
inexpensive (under $30.00 + shipping) gizmo that would provide two (stereo)
"line level" outputs from the GS?
This would require an external amplifier and speakers (or cables to
your stereo system) to complete the setup. Absolutely no adjustments,
simply plug it onto the Molex connector (next to the Ensoniqs chip) and
hook up the cables.
If only so-so intrested, say so here, if _really_ intrested, and
willing to commit to a purchase, say so in e-mail. If enough people commit
to purchase, I'll start making them. (NO up-front money is being asked
for!)
If a "poor mans digitizer" is also desired, I can add that to the
design fairly easily, guestimate another $5.00. (you supply a mike, or
other audio source)
-Harold
(Running the NEW CoP/TIC scripts)
(being released RSN :)
(H.HISLOP, CAT12, TOP26, MSG:26/M645;1)
$200 REWARD FOR PRINT SHOP/HP UTILITY Regarding the offer of a reward for
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" a Print Shop driver, utility,
program or whatever that will allow printing of Print Shop generated
letterheads, greeting cards, signs, etc to Hewlett-Packard brand
printers...
The reward has been doubled, and it now stands at $200!
Softdisk Publishing has agreed to match the $100 reward offered by
Shareware Solutions II.
I'm sure Softdisk will post some type of offical press release in
their category, and print their offer in an upcoming issue of Softdisk.
In any case, Shareware Solutions II would like to offer a great big
thank you to Softdisk Publishing (THANK YOU Lee, Bryan and Dean) for your
additional and continued support!
Joe Kohn (J.KOHN, CAT28, TOP4, MSG:109/M645;1)
>>>>> How about really sweeting the pot? I will contribute $20.00 bucks
""""" to the reward. I am sure that there are others out there willing
to put up $20.00 for such a desparately needed "shareware solution." How
about it folks. Maybe if we have a big enough reward, it will get done a
lot quicker!
Pax! -=-Plato-=-
(A.HUTCHINSON, CAT28, TOP4, MSG:114/M645;1)
>>> MESSAGE SPOTLIGHT <<<
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Category 28, Topic 4
Message 365 Sat Dec 04, 1993
L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 08:29 EST
I've suggested this to Quality Computers and I'll suggest it here: I
think we're all miss the bulk of current Apple II users.....teachers. I
don't think most subscribe to on-line services or Apple magazines and
newsletters. I don't think they know the rest of us exist, or that there
is any place to buy anything for the Apple II's any more. Every classroom
in my sons' elementary school has a IIe; none of their teachers yet has
known where she can get software.
So, if I were promoting an Apple II publication or service, I'd
advertise and publicize in teachers' publications. There are two national
unions (the National Education Association and the American Federation of
Teachers), and I'm sure each has its own publication for its members. Most
stations have a state union (a branch of NEA, probably), and each probably
has ITS own publication. Then there are the local newsletters (where I
grew up, it was the "Ossining Teachers Association.") And of course
professional journals.
What this means is that an advertiser like Joe (or QC or anyone else)
could start with some of the smaller, cheaper publications and build up to
the bigger ones. Publication advertising is usually less expensive than
direct mail.
<<<Lloyd>>>
[*][*][*]
While on GEnie, do you spend most of your time downloading files?
If so, you may be missing out some excellent information in the Bulletin
Board area. The messages listed above only scratch the surface of
what's available and waiting for you in the bulletin board area.
If you are serious about your Apple II, the GEnieLamp staff strongly
urge you to give the bulletin board area a try. There are literally
thousands of messages posted from people like you from all over the
world.
[EOA]
[HUM]//////////////////////////////
HUMOR ONLINE /
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Apple Pie
"""""""""
By Steven Weyhrich
[S.WEYHRICH]
(profuse apologies to Don McLean)
A long, long time ago,
I can still remember how those programs
Used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance,
That I could make those users dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while.
November breezes made me shiver
With every upload I'd deliver
Bad news on the desktop
I couldn't make the text stop.
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about our faltered pride
But something touched me deep inside
The day
the IIe
died.
So, bye, bye to my Apple II pie
Hooked my RamFAST to the SCSI
But the SCSI was fried
And hackin' boys drank Mountain Dew and sighed,
Typin' "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die."
Do you know your Apple's core?
Do you have faith in Woz's lore
If the Red Book tells you so?
Do you believe in ROR and ROL
Can BASIC save your mortal soul
And can you tell me why Pascal runs so slow?
Well, I know you love that Lisa hack
'Cause I saw you mousin' in the back
Well, MacWrite was big news
But AppleWorks got great reviews, oooh
I was a twenty-something computer fan
With a loaned assembler and some program plans
But I knew I'd be just an "also-ran"
The day the IIe died.
I started singin'
Bye, bye to my Apple II pie
Hooked my RamFAST to the SCSI
But the SCSI was fried
And hackin' boys drank Cola Jolt and sighed,
Typin' "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die."
Now for twelve years we've been on our own
The software comes on my telephone
But that's not how it used to be
When ol' Steve Jobs planned a brand new box
With designs he borrowed from Xerox
And the cash, well it came from you and me
Oh, and while our Woz was looking down
Steve Jobs stole his designer's crown
The /// plan was adjourned
No money was returned
And while Wagner wrote "Assembly Lines"
We liked our BASIC programs fine
And most thought ProDOS was devine
The day the IIe died.
We were singin'
Bye, bye to my Apple II pie
Hooked my RamFAST to the SCSI
But the SCSI was fried
And hackin' boys drank Dr. Pepper and sighed,
Typin' "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die."
HUFFIN, PUFFIN, move files with MUFFIN
Single drive, lots of disks I'm stuffin'
Eight piles high, and fadin' fast...
With Macs out landing in the grass
The Pirates tried for a forward pass
Moving IIe to the sidelines, in a cast
Now, the IIc Fair was sweet perfume
And "Forever!" was our marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance
'Cause the Mac-heads tried to take the field
Our Apple II's refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the IIe died?
We started singin'
Bye, bye to my Apple II pie
Hooked my RamFAST to the SCSI
But the SCSI was fried
And hackin' boys drank Diet Pepsi and sighed,
Typin' "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die."
And there we were all in one place
An online conference lost in space
With no bucks left to start again
So come on, Tom be nimble, Tom be quick
Uncle-DOS made all our Apples tick
'Cause Merlin is the hacker's only friend
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No one that I could tell
Could break that Sculley's spell
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Sculley laughing with delight
The day the IIe died
He was singin'
Bye, bye to my Apple II pie
Hooked my RamFAST to the SCSI
But the SCSI was fried
And hackin' boys drank lemon tea and sighed,
Typin' "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die."
I met a girl who sang of Blues
And I asked her for some Apple news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went to the computer store
Where I'd seen the Apple years before
But the man there said the IIe couldn't play
And in the schools the children screamed
The teachers cried and the hackers dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The disk drives all were broken
And the news mags that I'd liked the most
Softalk, inCider -- were all toast
They'd grabbed the last train for the coast
The day
the IIe
died
And they were singin'
Bye, bye to my Apple II pie
Hooked my RamFAST to the SCSI
But the SCSI was fried
And hackin' boys drank Snapple soda and cried,
Saying, "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die."
They were singin'
Bye, bye to my Apple II pie
Hooked my RamFAST to the SCSI
But the SCSI was fried
And hackin' boys drank Snapple soda and cried,
Saying, "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be
the day
that I die."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(c) Copyright 1993 by Steven Weyhrich
[EOA]
[REF]//////////////////////////////
REFLECTIONS /
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Thinking About Online Communications
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
By Phil Shapiro
[P.SHAPIRO1]
>>> SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT TELECOM TRAINING CENTERS <<<
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Our society values learning enough that we spend 200 billion dollars
each year on our public school system. Likewise, in the interest of
promoting learning, we subsidize a large and robust public library system.
As we walk through the portals of the information age, thoughtful
people have been spending time thinking about the role that government and
industry can play in helping bring more of our nation's population online.
What types of social institutions can we construct that can help people
learn how to use communications software? Learn how to use bulletin
boards? Learn how to use the national information services? And learn
how to use the Internet?
Currently, just a small fraction of the nation's population is
online. This fact is drive home by considering that fewer than 10 percent
of all home computers are connected to a modem. Furthermore, market
studies have shown that the penetration of personal computers in the home
is approximately 35 percent of the nation's households. Taking one tenth
of 35 percent yields a paltry 3.5 percent.
The bare truth is that the vast majority of the nation's population
is not yet online. It behooves the nation as a whole to work vigorously to
train our fellow citizens in basic telecommunications skills. The more
people that can be reached online, the more each one of us can benefit
from communicating with them.
I can recall distinctly my own first faltering forays into the online
world. A leader in my local user group, Ken DeVito, spoke in an animated
voice about connecting up his computer to the online networks. This kind
fellow generously offered to take phone calls at his house to help people
get connected up themselves.
After buying a modem and communications software, I hesitantly called
Ken at his home. Having heard that telecommunications can be a complicated
subject I went out of my way making sure I had my modem and communications
software all set up correctly. Cautiously, timidly, I made my first phone
call. Lo and behold, the word CONNECT bounced up onto my screen.
I imagine that most of us who are already online had similar help and
encouragement from friends and colleagues the first few times we went
online. That type of informal learning was fine in the 1980s when online
communications was largely the province of computer hobbyists. But as we
plunge headlong into the information age, the time is long overdue for our
society to set up more formal channels for teaching online communications
skills. We cannot continue to rely on the goodwill of the Ken DeVitos of
the world to help everyone get connected.
What existing social institutions are best suited to take up this
task? Schools, for sure, can help train our younger population. User
groups, certainly, can help give online demonstrations and tutorials at
their meetings.
But neither schools nor user groups are equipped to handle the huge
numbers of people we need to train. The most suitable social institution
to help train our nation's populace is public libraries.
Public libraries already have a mandate to promote the dissemination
of knowledge and information. Calling upon our libraries to help train our
nation in online skills makes even more sense when you consider the great
overlap between basic telecommunications skills and basic research skills.
The skills of searching and capturing information from an online database
is closely parallel to the skills of searching and capturing information
from a CD-ROM database.
While public libraries serve as the perfect venue for training
sessions in online communications skills, no one for a moment would think
that libraries have the funds to initiate such services on their own. What
is obviously needed is a partnership between the private and public sectors
to help bring telecommunications skills to the masses.
Phone companies, naturally, can play an important role in giving
reduced rates for the installation of new phone lines in libraries. All
that would be needed would be about eight to ten new phone lines for each
library. Computer manufacturers should obviously step forward to make
donations of computer hardware for telecom training purposes. These
donated computers need not be an onerous expense since low-end computer
systems work perfectly fine for telecommunications purposes.
Modem manufacturers, obviously, have a social duty to make their
immensely useful devices available for use at library training centers.
Here again, the low-end slower modems serve eminently well for training
purposes.
It goes without saying that the national information services should
step forward to donate accounts that could be used in training centers.
Many of the national information services have probably already given
thought to how they could help support publicly funded telecom training
centers.
Larger software publishers could step in to provide communications
software and general financial support for the training centers. Mitch
Kapor, Steve Wozniak, and other luminaries in the computer world have
already taken bold steps to promote social causes with the Electronic
Freedom Foundation. The participation and support of these luminaries
would go far in making the training centers successful social institutions.
Finally, the public sector can assist by providing tax incentives to
the phone companies, computer companies, modem manufacturers, national
information services, and software companies that donate in-kind goods or
services to the telecom training center. The public sector could also help
with the issuance of "Online Citizen" certificates for those persons who
show mastery of basic telecommunications skills.
Few North Americans are aware that the public library systems in the
United States and Canada are held up as model systems in other nations
around the world. Early in our two country's histories the people of our
nations gave strong support to funding and promoting schools and libraries.
For the good of our nations, we need to take the next step to help
bring more of our citizens online. The time for a public/private
telecommunications skills initiative is long overdue. For the good of our
nations, we need to create social institutions that can take over the
supportive role of those who helped get the first 3.5 percent of us online.
After we're able to get the first 10 percent online, the momentum will
be strong enough that we can pull another 50 percent online before the turn
of the century. And with 60 percent of the population online by the year
2000, our countries will then be well positioned to move forward with the
exciting possibilities of the information age.
-Phil Shapiro
[*][*][*]
The author takes a keen interest in the social dimensions
of communications technology. He can be reached on GEnie
at P.SHAPIRO1; on Internet at: p.shapiro1.genie.geis.com;
on America Online at: pshapiro
[EOA]
[BEG]//////////////////////////////
BEGINNER'S CORNER /
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Polishing Green Apples
""""""""""""""""""""""
By Steve Weyhrich
[S.WEYHRICH]
>>> HOOKED ON CLASSICS (Part 3) <<<
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STILL MORE CONTROL PANEL BASICS Yes, we are STILL slogging our way
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" through the IIgs CDA Control Panel. This
month, as you look at ways to lose that holiday weight, pay those holiday
bills, and shovel that holiday snow, why not take a break and join me as we
learn about "Options" (ROM 01), or "Keyboard"/"Mouse" (ROM 03). Scrape the
ice off your monitor, and turn on that heater (this time of year it would
probably be NICE to have a Pentium-based computer; they generate a LOT of
heat... :-) )
KEYBOARD/OPTIONS Here is another difference between the ROM 01 and ROM 03
"""""""""""""""" versions of the Apple IIgs. At this point in the CDA
Control Panel, the ROM 01 version is called "Options", and the ROM 03
version is called "Keyboard". They look something like this when you
select them:
(ROM 01) (ROM 03)
Control Panel Control Panel
Options Keyboard
~ Display Language: U.S.A. ~ Display Language: U.S.A.
~ Keyboard Layout: U.S.A. ~ Keyboard Layout: U.S.A.
~ Keyboard Buffering: No ~ Keyboard Buffering: No
~ Repeat Speed: |------*--------| ~ Repeat Speed: |------*--------|
~ Repeat Delay: |-------*-------| ~ Repeat Delay: |-------*-------|
~ Double Click: |-------*-------| ~ Cursor Flash: |-------*-------|
~ Cursor Flash: |-------*-------|
-Advanced Features- -Advanced Features-
Shift Caps/Lowercase: No Shift Caps/Lowercase: No
Fast Space/Delete Keys: No Fast Space/Delete Keys: No
Dual Speed Keys: Normal Dual Speed Keys: Normal
High Speed Mouse: No
Select <- -> V ^ Cancel: Esc Save <-|
(The "Double Click" and "High Speed Mouse" entries for the ROM 01
version will be discussed below.)
Display Language/Keyboard Layout The intent of the top two entries,
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Display Language and Keyboard Layout,
was to simplify the manufacture and use of the IIgs for foreign countries.
Older models of the Apple II would require a different character generator
chip for each country where it was sold, to account for local differences
in characters (for example, in Great Britain the character produced with a
Shift-3 was the British stylized "L", for "pound", whereas here in the
U.S. Shift-3 produces an octothorpe, which looks like the tic-tac-toe
board). Manufacturing and stocking all these different ROM chips increased
the cost of producing the computer. To have it built into the IIgs,
selectable through this Control Panel, simplified things considerably. A
separate keyboard is still necessary to be consistent with regional
differences around the world, and the Keyboard Layout needs to be adjusted
to match the type of keyboard that has been connected. In any case, the
modular design of the IIgs still makes that easier than on previous models
of the Apple II.
If you make changes in the Display Language you will see some unusual
characters substituted for characters like "{", "\", and so on. For users
in the U.S. this would be primarily a curiosity; however, if you are
developing software that might be used by IIgs owners in other parts of the
world, you should change the Display settings to ensure that you are not
using some characters that will not show properly with other language
layouts. (AppleWorks, for instance, may not show proper screen characters
with certain features when other Display Languages are selected).
One of the other uses of the Keyboard Layout would be to change from
the standard (also called "Sholes" or "QWERTY") keyboard to the Dvorak
system. This takes the arrangement of the letters on the keyboard and
moves them into something that can be much faster to use--once you become
accustomed to it. All of the most frequently used characters in English
are placed in the home row (where it currently holds "ASDFGH", etc.). If
you make this change and don't change the keycaps on the keyboard, you will
find that typing a "D" causes an "E" to appear on the screen.
I actually changed my Apple IIc keyboard layout years ago (via the
"Keyboard" switch in the upper left corner) to the Dvorak layout, and used
a typing program called MasterType to teach myself to use it. And I do
admit that my typing began to get faster and a little more accurate.
However, using a Dvorak keyboard is like being left-handed in a
right-handed world. If the ONLY keyboard you are ever going to use is YOUR
keyboard, you'll have no problems, once you get used to Dvorak. But since
there was a Dvorak keyboard at home, and a QWERTY keyboard at work, my
brain became too confused to keep making the switches, and so I went back
to the old standard.
On the IIc it was not TOO much trouble to pop the caps off of all the
keys and rearrange them into the Dvorak layout. However, I've never tried
this on my IIgs, and do not know how difficult it would be. If you want to
make this change, just be careful not to FORCE anything as you try to
remove the keycaps. If you break something, you'll probably have to pay
SOMEONE to have it repaired (or replaced).
Keyboard Buffering Keyboard buffering allows the user to continue typing
'''''''''''''''''' while the computer is busy doing something else, and
will save up the keystrokes until the program running is again ready to
accept them. I have not personally seen that this works very well in the
programs that I regularly use. IBM-type computers seem to buffer up nearly
EVERY keystroke that is entered, regardless of what else the system is
doing. If you know ahead of time which type of keystrokes will be needed
to carry out a certain function, this can be a time saving feature.
However, the IIgs buffer doesn't seem to be designed the same way, and you
will just have to try it out yourself to see if having this turned on helps
out in YOUR situation.
Repeat Speed/Repeat Delay Repeat Speed and Repeat Delay refer to the
''''''''''''''''''''''''' auto-repeat of keys pressed on the keyboard. On
the Apple II Plus, a separate key was included on the keyboard to allow a
key that was held down to repeat. On the IIe and IIc, an AUTOMATIC repeat
is built-in; if you press the "A" key and hold it down, it eventually
begins to repeat and continues to do so until the key is released. The
IIgs does the same thing, but lets you modify it to suit your style. The
Repeat Speed is a relative measure of how fast the repeated keypresses are
generated, and the Repeat Delay refers to how long a wait there is until a
pressed key begins to repeat. If you are a heavy-fingered typist and have
the Repeat Delay turned down too low, you may find some accidental
repeeeeeeeeetition of some keypresses. If you don't like the default
settings for these options, play with them until you find something more
suitable.
Cursor Flash This should be self-explanatory. If that pulsating cursor
'''''''''''' is not at a speed that seems comfortable for you, use this
to make it faster or slower.
Shift Caps/Lowercase The various advanced features in this next section
'''''''''''''''''''' of the Control Panel are primarily for those who
have become very accustomed to the feel of the keyboard, and want to work a
bit faster. Shift Caps/Lowercase changes the function of the Caps Lock key
slightly. When this feature is set to "No", the keyboard will generate
uppercase letters when the either the Caps Lock key or the Shift key is
down. If this feature in the Control Panel is set to "Yes", the Caps Lock
key will still cause letters on the keyboard to come out as uppercase;
however, pressing the Shift key while the Caps Lock key is DOWN will cause
letters to come out in lower case. In other words, the Caps Lock key will
now change the function of the Shift key--but for the letters A-Z ONLY.
Other characters on the keyboard (such as numbers and the symbols on the
number keys) will STILL require the Shift key be pressed to generate them.
Fast Space/Delete Keys, Dual Speed Keys These features allows more rapid
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' movement of the cursor if the
Control key is pressed along with certain other keys. If Fast Space/Delete
is set to "Yes", Ctrl-Delete causes the Delete key to erase text twice as
fast as other keys repeat, and Ctrl-Space causes you to insert spaces twice
as fast. When Dual Speed Keys is set to "Fast", Ctrl-Up, Ctrl-Down,
Ctrl-Left, and Ctrl-Right (arrow keys) will move the cursor twice as fast
as usual. If the Repeat Speed setting further up in this Control Panel is
set to the top speed possible, these particular features will appear to do
nothing, since it will not repeat faster than the fastest speed.
MOUSE On the ROM 03 IIgs, the ability to make the keyboard simulate mouse
""""" movements was built into the firmware code. This was intended to
make it easier for handicapped users who could not easily use a mouse still
handle software that needed one. Because of this, the mouse-related items
in this Control Panel were moved to a separate entry, which looks like
this:
(ROM 03)
Control Panel
Mouse
~ Mouse Tracking: |*-------------|
~ Double Click : |-------*------|
-Keyboard Mouse-
~ Delay To Start: |-------*------|
~ Acceleration : |-------*------|
~ Maximum Speed : |--------*-----|
Select <- -> V ^ Cancel:Esc Save: <-|
Notice that the setting in the ROM 01 version (under "Options") calls
Mouse Tracking a "High Speed Mouse". Setting that option to "Yes" makes
any movement of the mouse on your table top to cause the cursor on the
screen to move twice as far as usual. On the ROM 03, you have some finer
control over the specifics of the mouse tracking.
With enhancements the in System Software made available in System 6,
the distinction between a ROM 01 and ROM 03 became less apparent, as now
BOTH versions of the IIgs can make mouse movements accessible to
handicapped users that cannot handle a standard mouse. However, if a
program that does not run under GS/OS (or under System 6) needs this type
of access, a ROM 03 GS will still be necessary.
Double Click items are present with both versions of the IIgs
firmware. The Double Click control adjusts how quickly two clicks must be
made in order to be properly registered by programs that use them for
shortcuts (such as selecting and launching a program from the Finder). If
your double clicks aren't always being accepted, you may have this set too
high or too low for the speed you use. Try adjusting it and see what works
better for you.
The remaining items are specific for the keyboard mouse feature. This
is activated by pressing the Open-Apple (Command) and Shift keys at the
same time, and then pressing and releasing the Clear key. After you've
done this, the numeric keypad can be used to control the position of the
cursor on the screen, and the center key ("5") [15is used to] simulate the
button on the mouse. Other features involved in controlling the keyboard
mouse can be found in the ROM 03 IIgs Owner's Reference or the System 6
User's Reference.
Back to the Mouse Control Panel: Delay To Start is similar to the
Repeat Delay on the Keyboard Control Panel; this refers to how long the
keypad keys have to be held down before the mouse cursor will move.
Acceleration controls the speed at which the mouse cursor moves under
keyboard control, and Maximum Speed refers to how fast the cursor moves.
As mentioned above, if you are running System 6.0 or 6.0.1, you have
these features available on ANY version of the IIgs. The adjustable
Control Panel settings would not, of course, be available from this CDA
Control Panel. Instead, a ROM 01 user will need to access the NDA Control
Panel (from the Apple in the upper left corner) in a GS/OS program, and
make the changes in how the keyboard mouse works from there.
NEXT MONTH Well, the heater finally kicked in, and my monitor is not
"""""""""" fogging up any more from the melted ice. We are approaching
the end of this examination of the Control Panel Classic Desk Accessory.
Communication with your printer and modem like you've never seen it before,
RS-232 serial interfaces, and more--next time, on "Polishing Green Apples"!
Don't miss it!!
[*][*][*]
Steve Weyhrich is a family physician from Omaha, Nebraska.
He has been using Apple II computers since 1981, and writing
about them since 1990. He follows closely the events that
continue to shape the destiny of the legendary Apple II and
IIgs computers, and writes a monthly column called the "A2
News Digest" for A2-Central disk magazine. He is also the
author of the "Apple II History", available on fine BBS's
everywhere. Add water and simmer until well done.
[EOA]
[RTC]//////////////////////////////
REAL TIME CHATTING /
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WWUG Snapshot, Live!
""""""""""""""""""""
By Gina E. Saikin
[A2.GENA]
[ The World Wide Apple II User's Group meets every Sunday. This month, we
though it would be fun to present you with the highlights of the WWUG
meeting, live, as they happened. There's only space for a short extract
with featured guest Jerry Kindall of Quality Computers, so drop in on the
WWUG meeting this Sunday to find out just how widely the conversation
ranges! -- Ed. ]
Room 1, Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered
Notice on door: Come on in..new? Never fear...we'll help you unlock the
secrets of A2 & GEnie with a few swipes of his magic lamp! Don't
forget...starting at 4 p.m. eastern, will be our 3rd meeting of the
WWUG...featuring AppleWorks 4.0!
[ We join this RTC in progress -- Ed. ]
<[Carl] C.MANUELIAN1> I started with an AII + in 79
<[GEna] A2.GENA> I've got about 3-4 working II+'s in my basement... plus a
LOT of software, and other parts...
<[Paul] PMP> didn't get my ][+ until 82
<[Carl] C.MANUELIAN1> I still have programs on CASSETTES!
<[GEna] A2.GENA> This is stuff from A2.Susan's store...over the next
several Sat's (after the holidays), I'm going to be taking a box at a time,
inventorying it, and then posting it up in the bb
<[Paul] PMP> but its an OLD ][+... a reconditioned ][
<[GEna] A2.GENA> Wow, Carl! Those ARE old...they're antiques!
<[Paul] PMP> oh, I actually have OFFICIAL Apple cassettes... like Hoppalong
Cassidy, Lemonade Stand, etc
<[Carl] C.MANUELIAN1> My gs cant load them and I sold my old IIe. I should
have put them on disk
<[GEna] A2.GENA> Well...would they work on a II+?
<[Carl] C.MANUELIAN1> Yes--They were written on a II+
<[GEna] A2.GENA> i.e., you culd use the II+ to transfer them over to disk?
I would suspect they're old dos3.3 programs, right?
<[Carl] C.MANUELIAN1> I never thought of trying that
<[Paul] PMP> no o/s at all if they're on tape...
<[GEna] A2.GENA> Carl...someone with more expertise than I would have to
say if it would work, but...
<[Carl] C.MANUELIAN1> Tey were written before DOS 3.3. THey work with
original ROM Applesoft
<[Paul] PMP> i used to save my BASIC and machine language programs on
cassette... used to mess up all the time, which annoyed me to no end then I
took the leap and spend $350 + $99 for the controller for a 5.25" disk
drive...
<[Carl] C.MANUELIAN1> I would just start up the computer and cue up the
cassette and type load
<[GEna] A2.GENA> You could pose this ? in the bb... cat 2, topic 4