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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 03/20/92 17:40 Msg:7170 Call:40440 Lines:2
20 The end is here. No it's over there. No wait....
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003=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/21/92 07:10 Msg:7171 Call:40450 Lines:5
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23 Son of a (former) CEO, I called yesterday and the wall was full and now
24 I forgot what I was gunna say. It was REAL important, too. I see Dick
25 shaved his mustache ...
26
004=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/21/92 07:39 Msg:7172 Call:40451 Lines:13
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28 Oh yeah, it was about my hard disk being gone. It was no big deal, really,
29 'cause I'd already wiped one out early on when we first got them (which is
30 a whole 'nother story in itself, having to do with the OTHER union bldg
31 rep). User Services just said "so sorry," but I knew there must be some-
32 thing SOMEONE can do ... and sure enough there was. I got the resident
33 genius to help me and he said I'd better learn about backups. Well, I'd
34 heard User Services use both "backup" and "copy" and when I called to
35 find out the difference (DOS manuals made no sense to me), they told me
36 to take their DOS class, which I already had. And then they called my
37 supervisor and told her I was rude and that if I wanted any further info
38 from them, I'd have to write letters. Which is a whole 'nother story.
39 But Nancy did come and give me a backup demo. My only concern the second
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43 Actually I should start at the beginning. See, I'd gotten these tickets
44 to the big computer show at the coliseum and I'd arrived there late and my
45 hair was soaking wet because I'd had to walk a long way to get the free
46 shuttle that was spposed to take me there. So there was only about left
47 on the last day, so I'm walking around kinda fast and I stop at this booth
48 that was just showing a word processing program. I'd used WordStar for two
49 years by that time, and since most of my work was columns and WordStar
50 hardly DID columns (and their upgrades only made it worse), I stopped, and
51 lo and beehold, I KNEW the woman. Anyway, she had 2 masters AND a law
52 degree (one masters in public administraton BTW), and she showed me Word
53 Perfect. So the rest of our department was gonna get computers and they
54 asked me to attend a meeting w/User Services to show them what kinda word
55 I'd been doing on the computer so they could fit a program to our best
56 use. As it happened, I had a temporary job at the BESC that summer, right
57 down the hall from User Services as a matter of fact, so naturally I asked
58 about maybe previewing their copy of WordPercect, thnking that it was of
59 course being considered beings as how it was only $125 and WordStar was
60 $399. For some reason they kept putting me off, never saying it wasn't
61 even being considered until one day I was sitting down there discussing
62 this project I was doing for the new administrator I wa working for over
63 there and when I brought up WordPerfect User Services specialists started
64 crawling outta the woodwork for everywhere practically tellng me never to
65 mention that word again. Well, I thought they were a bunch of bullies and
66 I tried to get outta there as soon as I could. I was real confused,
67 though, because I noticed other people at the BESC *were* using Word
68 Perfect and it kinda made me mad. Know what I mean???
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71 <M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M><M>M<M><M><M><M><M><M><M>
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73 It wasn't just me who was upset. Just after she'd done the in-house
74 effeciency check on our department, I ran into Nancy Eliot at the
75 Dixon Street Diner and she was furious about not being allowed to use
76 Lotus 123 and even more furious that two music teachers and a kinder-
77 garten teacher <that's what SHE said> had the power to make such a
78 decision. But that fall, her report included a letter from Bob Williams
79 stating it was district policy that everybody HAD to use WordStar. When
80 I talked to her years later to get a copy of my questionnaires, she said
81 something about submitting my supervisor submitting the information I'd
82 given her about WordPerfect. One of my Teachers on Special Assignment
83 did eventually buy me WordPerfect but I could use in for only one of my
84 five TSAs and when WordStar came out with its upgrade, the way it was
85 installed there wasn't enough room for both programs (they wouldn't get
86 me more memory either, even though the Electronics Shop said it would
87 only cost about $50).
88
007=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/22/92 09:32 Msg:7175 Call:40463 Lines:9
89 ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( THIS is the ugliness behind
90
91 sausage making (or politics, whichever) ... some bloke keeping beer in
92 his office fridge for those who drink before breakfast, according to Gail
93 Shibley/Steve Duin??? Geesh, I should think they could come up with some
94 Strings Attached Shenanigans more newsworthy and relevant than THAT, al-
95 though in my one visit to Don McElroy's claustophobic quaters, I got the
96 impression the furniture behind his desk strongly resembled a liquor cabinet.
97
008=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/22/92 09:49 Msg:7176 Call:40465 Lines:8
98 And another time when sent on an errand to up to that inner sanctum, right
99 about the time they'd cnstructed all the smokescreens, I happened onto his
100 rather severe-looking "guard" smoking at her desk at a time when the all
101 the rest of us had been banished to the boiler rooms or outside (there was
102 also an ashtry out in front of the board/public info office). But these
103 are not the things I would chose to emphasize over all the other indignities
104 of "prison" politics.
105
009=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/22/92 15:01 Msg:7177 Call:40466 Lines:3
106 HI BOBERT HOWS IT GOING?STEVE.
107
108
010=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 12:49 Msg:7178 Call:40478 Lines:25
109
110 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
111
112 Interesting appointment, say the least. I managed to get there on time
113 despite an irritating mishap with Tri Met where two buses came at the same
114 time, the second one an express, but the express passed me by. Man was I
115 ever steamed! Then I got to the ad building and was informed the meeting
116 was for tomorrow. No comment. She agreed to meeting me at 10:45 instead
117 of 8:15, which was right kind I though. So I went out walking, carrying
118 my suitcase of documents. Anyway, I ended up conversing with a Dr. Bop
119 who Said he was 18 days outta OSP after serving 18 years for hijacking a
120 plane to Cuba. What fun! He said if I was ever considering being home-
121 less I'd need alcohol, peroxide, and bleach and said I'd need to earn
122 about $20 a day somehow if I didn't wanna eat at Baloney Joes. He said he
123 was working on a 50-page book and told me I should do the same. Either
124 that or he'd go over my suitcase documents with me 'cause he was somewhat
125 of a jailhouse lawyer himself and then an attorney. I told him I was
126 going the accountability route right now. He said I'd probably see him
127 around town, probably later, but I couldn't find him. He told me you
128 clean your sneakers by pouring bleach over 'em and showed me the alcohol
129 he used for the scraches he always gets when he does yardwork for people
130 and that he was outta peroxide at the moment. He said he was clean even
131 if he looked like a bum. Said people loved him whether he had a tie on
132 or not. He said in Cuba everybody just lives outside 'cause it's so warm.
133
011=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 13:16 Msg:7179 Call:40480 Lines:21
134 **********
135
136 Back so soon, you ask? BTW, I *KNOW* there's grammmatical, spelling, and
137 typing errors above but hey, I'm on extended *vacation* right now (even
138 though it's not a VAcation as such, as the Ms. Dias who won the local
139 harassment suit will tell you). Anyway, about the meeting .... We
140 kept going round and round about why I'd still be pursuing by grievances
141 (my little cause, she called it) against the District and then she kept
142 trying to show me the errors in my thinking. When that didn't work (*I*
143 think I had equally as logical and more real arguments), she tried to
144 pull Trump by saying she was a counselor at PSU ... at PSU, I thought,
145 AND a neighbor of Eleanors. When that didn't phase me, she threw in she
146 was currently working with Randi Nalon Posts at Marshall on some children's
147 project, like THAT was supposed to phase me. She said I should "try to be
148 a politician" if I wanted to "change the world" and "dictate policy" but
149 I said I could probably achieve alot more by running as a union rep in-
150 district. I could have alot of leverage after what all I'd been through.
151 After all, I said, that's what happened before in the union only the rep
152 was on the other side. (I know I'll suffer from the boon bestowers on that
153 one ... )
154
012=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 14:51 Msg:7180 Call:40483 Lines:14
155
156 ????? She also suggested I do Volunteer Work working with kids if I
157 wanted "to change the world" which I'd said nothing about. I thought
158 maybe I could volunteer to teach a class on How to Improve Schools.
159 I might do just as well as some <grin>. We also got on self-esteem
160 issues and drugs and all. Since she'd smugly suggested I become "a
161 since she suggested "running for office" or "becoming a politician",
162 could probably do best at the district level. I wouldn't let them tell
163 the people I was extorting dues from that "it's 10% what happens and
164 90% your reaction," which was twisted in a Personnel memo to me of 11/88
165 happened but what WILL" (which I could write a book about ...), I
166 politician" or "run for office" so I could make policy, I replied I
167 spirals right into self-esteem issues.
168
013=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 16:00 Msg:7181 Call:40486 Lines:3
169 to state "it's not what HAS happened but what WILL" (which I could write
170 re 165
171 li 156
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174 I'll clean up that last entry later; I'm too excited right now. These
175 stonewall encounters with community pillars just drive me nuts. I think
176 the only reason Carol agreed to an appointment THIS time is because I
177 mentioned the Grant Cluster "lynching," which I stated to her sounded too
178 much like too many events I'd witnessed and suffered through in my 10
179 years with the District. See, she'd denied the executive session the
180 then-current Board pamphlet said was the only way to deal with "personnel
181 matters" so I'd written down almost everything I could think of, saving
182 some savory morsels for "another time," and had it delivered to her in
183 the board meeting that was to consider "my little cause." Of course,
184 the results were already posted in the board minutes for that meeting
185 (along with a rescinsion of another miscarriage of justice that HAD
186 dealt with) and I was already "released" (as Mr. Rieke so euphemisticallly
187 stated to me when I presented the document to him after Carol hadn't
188 bothered to respond). And about the response ... when I called her she
189 had told me she thought Dr. Prophet had taken care of the matter but in
190 the meeting today she said I never called her back, even though I had
191 left several messages on her home messagemachine and even more at the
192 Board office. And when she didn't show up this morning and the admin-
193 istrative assistant had me talk to her on the phone to arrange for
194 another appointment, she begged me to leave some documentation so she'd
195 be better prepared, like the stuff I'd submitted to Rieke (a revised
196 version of what I gave her). But I told her I thought there was a
197 confidentiality problem what with public information being right there
198 in the same office and all. Then in the meeting she stated somehow
199 she'd magically found the copy Steven Kafoury had claimed he lost (and
200 Carol said he'd probably shredded when I mentioned confidentiality) and
201 it was locked in a safe place in the Board office. So she must have
202 prepared herself with it during the time she couldn't meet with me.
203 But really, it sounded like she'd really done a lot more than two hours
204 research because she was mentioning she said she'd discussed with way-
205 former board members. Overall, she tried to steer strictly clear of
206 the REAL reason she gave me an appointment this time so I'll have to
207 write her "certified" to make sure it's made a part of my complaint.
208
015=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/24/92 06:13 Msg:7183 Call:40497 Lines:14
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210 What I was trying to get at with Carol, in presenting my material in person,
211 was that district behavior oftentimes is not too different from other gang
212 behaviors, and when I releavled to the EAP and others what was going on and
213 some of what I wa sgoing through, they'd ask what "I took" to get through it.
214 I think if they'd all study what's BEHIND drug addiction and gang membership,
215 they might figure out somethings wrong with our schools and workplaces.
216 And they might figure out we don't just need more cops and oppression, we
217 need effective, supportive schools andworkplaces. Then people might could
218 COPE better at home and little children wouldn't be killed by their parents
219 (10 children in the first 10 weeks of this year, folks). I don't do drugs
220 and don't drink, but I sure wouldn't have been able to cope with kids while
221 dealing with the stuff I did at the district.
222
016=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/24/92 08:53 Msg:7184 Call:40503 Lines:6
223
224 __________________________________ Now THAT's an interesting twist ...
225
226 PFT/OFT/AFT covers part-time PSU employees ... wonder if that includes
227 part-time employees that happen to be board members.
228
017=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/24/92 09:47 Msg:7185 Call:40504 Lines:12
229
230 The same might could hold true for Eleanor. Not only is she the wife of
231 the asst dean of educ, but she also taught there part time. In fact, it
232 was her PSU pupil that was placed as a student teacher in my friend's down-
233 stairs classroom his FIRST year teaching. Unfortunately, he died after
234 only four months teaching his very own class.
235
236@only four months with his own class.
237
238 And in that case, it would be a DOUBLE conflict of interest <grin> ... but
239 that's just off the top. Know what I mean???
240
018=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/24/92 14:40 Msg:7186 Call:40509 Lines:2
241 ENTERMOD BOBERT IS MY PRINTER DONE?
242 BYE
019=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/24/92 18:21 Msg:7187 Call:40514 Lines:3
243 ENTERMOD BOBRET WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE
244 HAVE MY PRINTER FOR ME? I HOPE ITS SOON.
245 BECAUSE I REALY NEED IT.
020=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/24/92 18:26 Msg:7188 Call:40515 Lines:3
246 C
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021=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:03 Msg:7189 Call:40523 Lines:4
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250 &?&?&? And I suppose escorting chicks out the office door with an arm
251 around them is just another way to serve up a little "Southern" comfort?
252
022=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:19 Msg:7190 Call:40525 Lines:8
253
254 And yet another internationally television reflection on how the hearts
255 and minds in the wonderfully progressive Stumptown USA are developing ...
256 the chick who dumps her Alzheimers-afflicted father at some race track
257 in Idaho after stealing his social security check is from HERE???
258
259 Or was I hearing things ... guess I'll go down and get the morning paper.
260 But if it's true, I'm sure she must have come up Somewhere Else and was Here
023=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:44 Msg:7191 Call:40526 Lines:2
261 because We're So Nice (just ask Imagemaker Marj Kerr, from PPS' Public Info
262
024=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:55 Msg:7192 Call:40527 Lines:3
263 Dept). But if you subscribe to the latest Bad Parent/Dysfunctional Family
264 theories currently crammed down our throats by ever-so righteous psycholo-
265 gists/sociologist/school district executives-board members I suppose it could
025=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 07:35 Msg:7193 Call:40528 Lines:2
266 be rationalized that the Friggin SOB most probably Deserved It.
267
026=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 08:12 Msg:7194 Call:40530 Lines:8
268
269 And in another self-administered attempt at ChemoTherapy, I think I shall
270 call THIS WEEK and demand a correction is the typically slick method of
271 blameplacing. From newspaper accounts, I believe it was originally an
272 esteemed Board member that first used the Dark Ages/Wasteland analogy in
273
274 public press conferences.
275
027=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 09:19 Msg:7195 Call:40531 Lines:6
276
277 But looking on the bright side, I'm glad Supt. Prophet has decided to
278 stay in Portland and possibly hold the APP-types to their hypocrisy and
279 bigotry. I think with all the positive things he has done, he could have
280 some real leverage in getting things done. Then he can allow Hardvard
281 or some other Ivy League Institution *really* utilize his talents.
028=Usr:131 THE VISION 03/26/92 06:00 Msg:7196 Call:40538 Lines:9
282
283 ____________________________T H E V I S I O N______________________________
284 Hi all! Haven't been on for a while; just checking in. Wow, this place has
285 really changed. For the better or worse, I won't say. All this stuff is
286 frankly very boring to me, so I just skip it! :) I am wondering where
287 AD An Astral Dreamer is...if you are out there AD, please leave me e-mail!
288 Well, I guess I will talk to you all later. See Ya! :)
289 ____________________________________________________________________________
290
029=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/26/92 13:40 Msg:7197 Call:40553 Lines:4
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292 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO Sometimes it's absolutely TERRIFYING what They'll do.
293 So much energy (and money) covering up coverups.
294
030=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/26/92 22:26 Msg:7198 Call:40559 Lines:9
295 &*&*&*&*'s
296 Here I am. Back for another brief visit. SC, people ain't perfect. They
297 also ain't nearly as evil as you make them out to be.
298
299 TV, I'm here. Just moved. Still writting songs.
300
301 An Astral Dreamer
302 &*&*&*&*'s (Two halves to every story. Neither one true.)
303
031=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 01:48 Msg:7200 Call:40562 Lines:4
304
305 So the LA ambulance attendant testified Rodney King was "still resisting"
306 'cause he kept turning his head and spitting up blood ...'
307
032=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 05:06 Msg:7201 Call:40563 Lines:20
308 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
309 STAGNATION: The forces in nature are in a stae of perfect and undiscrimina-
310 ting impasse. THere is no responsive action between things and nothing
311 productive can be accomplished. The natural order that nourishes and fosters
312 all things is disjointed and disunited. The lines of communication are down.
313 Because of this there is no understanding of what is needed and growth
314 cannot continue. When growth stops, STAGNATION begins. Any useful insights
315 or ideas you may have will be met with apathy and rejection. The atmosphere
316 is unreceptive even to altruistic and unselfish energies. Whether you vol-
317 unteer the whole of your resources to a worthwhile social cause, you can
318 accomplish nothing. STAGNATION is a reservoir of arbitrary and absurd
319 misunderstandings. STAGNATION produces an ambiance of decay and decadance.
320 Inferior persons and ideas can rise t positions of great influence. The
321 political andsocial environment can become corrupt indeed and there is
322 little a person of principle can do to turn the tide. Leaders are not in
323 touch withthe people whom they lead, and social systems become irrelevant.
324 The people become lost in a labyrinth of discordant purpose and are filled
325 with mistrust. Things come to a standstill and people, therefore, cannot
326 be helped.
327 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
033=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 05:51 Msg:7202 Call:40564 Lines:4
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329 THEY've got WRITTEN proof of sexism ... I just don't have $75,000 to
330 PROVE it.
331
034=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 08:15 Msg:7203 Call:40566 Lines:8
332 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
333
334 It wasn't just Sylvia who always had to leave the lunchroom in tears
335 because Eleanor gave her such a bad time, Susan Larson (herself) left
336 our building in tears after only an hour meeting with our staff (pri-
337 marily from Eleanor, I would guess) and Susan went right to Carlos and
338 made him make "Them" apologize.
339
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341
342 Interesting timing, I would say, the article about district "squirmishes"
343 and all. THE NWREL study tactics sound so familiar. I think they even
344 got some special award the year of that study, presented by a Kathy Aims,
345 So I turn on my TV this AM and what've we got ... NWREL. An inspiring
346 program (looks like one of those well-ventilated conference rooms where
347 it's a real battle to stay awake) and sounds like a real "strategic" plan.
348 Since "central office" will still maintain "control" on "personnel", I
349 wonder who's responsible if you get a school administrator like Dan Klee??
350 I suppose the "goals" will also be dictated by some computer "test," huh.
351 And guess what??? Lincoln and Wilson's goal will always require so much
352 more money, huh. And with biannual school administrator musical-chair
353
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354 switches, makes for good "relationships" and even better "culpability."
355
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356 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
357
358 I guess that is just another one of those coincidences, though, about
359 Cassandra and all because when our department was first getting computers,
360 I met was asked to meet w/Cassandra and Paul to show them the kind of work
361 I do, you know ... 'cause I'd used WordStar for two years already. See,
362 most of my work was columns and columns on WS was much like a video game,
363 which you can't play very well if you're interrupted every two minutes,
364 you know. So anyway I had been shown WordPerfect, but I'd also mentioned
365 the Macs Reed had donated to the district and Cassandra said they'd gone
366 to Wilson ... the Science Dept. she Said, but probably Rob Melton got one
367 'cause he's such a pro now and all (that's not sarcastic, BTW ... he's
368 gotten national awards). See stuff on the Mac looked typeset even back
369 then and they did graphics and all. But WordPerfect was too, and we cudda
370 saved $250 per program over WS but....
371
372 well, you know ...
373
038=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/28/92 13:47 Msg:7207 Call:40578 Lines:3
374 SO HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING?
375 ENTER
376
039=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/28/92 14:48 Msg:7208 Call:40581 Lines:1
377@C
040=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/28/92 14:53 Msg:7209 Call:40582 Lines:4
378@AND I ALSO NEED A PRINTER.
379 SO WOLD YOU SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO?.
380
381
041=Usr:700 SYMORE DEEF 03/29/92 10:50 Msg:7210 Call:40595 Lines:4
382 ATE1 S7=60 S11=55 1X1 S0=0
383
384 ?
385 ATDT2301041
042=Usr:700 SYMORE DEEF 03/29/92 10:54 Msg:7211 Call:40596 Lines:3
386 ATE1 S7=60 S11=55 V1 X1 S0=0
387 ATDT2301041
388 ?
043=Usr:700 SYMORE DEEF 03/29/92 10:58 Msg:7212 Call:40597 Lines:52
389
390 I have an INTEL 386 DX 25 motherbad ith simm's, Board No.
391 AA 455754-006, from a 302 system.
392 I was in the middle of writing a letter when it locked up.
393 CTL,ALT,DEL ddnthing, I powered it down, and when I power
394 it up I get 3 bep,ten 2 beeps, then 4 beeps (sometimes). A
395 couple of times Igtadisplay on the screen of;
396 Shutdown Failure
397 Keybor alure
398 Keyboard Controller Failure
399 Time of Day Clock tpe
400 Ivalid Configuration Information
401 Please run setup procedure
402 Time of dynt set, please run setup
403 It does not get to a point wher tties to load.
404 I took it to a dealer, he replaced the kyor controller
405 chip with one from another dead Intel 386, no ep he keyboard
406 works on another computer. The power supply voltages are good.
407 I unplugged the disk drive controller, no help.
408 ae about 20 calls to Intel, they refused to help me.
409 They wudnt furnish schematics, or service information. They
410 would repair it for $538.00. Whatajk, I can buy a new one
411 for less.
412 Does anyone out there have a shmtc, service information,
413 or suggestions.
414 Takyu.
415 Symore
416
417 /S
418 /S
419
420 Federal Communications Commission,
421 Washington, D.C.
422
I am writing this letter in regard to the translator
423 application for local television service for Bay City, Oregon.
424 The Federal Government has an opportunity here to help low,
425 and fixed income fmles, without it costing the government any
426 money. A higher pretge of the people that live in, and around
427 Bay City, are rtrd seasonal, or low income, then those that
428 live in other aeso Oregon. These people need the local news,
429 and weather, especially the weather reprsi this area. And
430 because of their age their entertainmen ed are not as great as
431 provided by cable.
432 Twenty two dollars ot is very much a hardship for many of
433 these people.
434 Please approve the translator on Mt. Hebo.
435 Thank you.
436 Sincerely,
437 Symore Deef
438
439 /S
440
044=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/29/92 11:09 Msg:7213 Call:40598 Lines:16
441 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Sorry, more stray thoughts ... one of these days
442 I'll focus ... promise. But abot this site-based management (there was
443 a letter to the editor about this today), I was flipping thru the cable
444 stations and came upon that ever-so-inspiration Texas(armpitoftheWorld)-
445 based education station and they were talking about the wonders of this
446 "system," trying to dispel complains that there was more bureaucracy than
447 ever and that the principal was either processing paperwork or out of the
448 building in "meetings." And they were saying that yes, for the first
449 five years it may "seem" that way (ha), but it evens out after that. But
450 with PPS already shoving "accountability" (ha ha) on to the unions, who
451 have no obligations other than to collect obligatory dues and make sure
452 you're paid just enough w/Strings Attached with "bad parents" equally as
453 culpable, this new "management" system seems to look like another
454 burlesque (like the Grant Cluster travesty or the Dan Klee incident ... or
455 my case w/PFT-CE/PPS/Board of Education/Cascade Counseling/etc.
456
045=Usr:611 delta five 03/30/92 00:23 Msg:7216 Call:40606 Lines:9
457 [*=*] DELTA FIVE [*=*] My first book, "Don't Bug Me" on the subject of electron
458 ic surveillance was released by Paladin Press a few weeks ago. Mayhaps some wil
459 remember me some years ago in the 'NET' stories; Leroy McKane and all that.
460 Wassir, are you still around, you friendly Albanian? Has anyone ever heard from
461 John, 'Dreamtoucher;? Would be nice to hear from him. I am SSPY@darkside.com on
462 USENET.
463 save
464 s
465 help
046=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/30/92 08:43 Msg:7218 Call:40608 Lines:26
466 &*&*&*&*'s
467 SC, what do you really know aboutte CAT system? Sounds like next to
468 nothing to me. (BW is SOW, Iain't that fast a tpist, and its losing
469 characters.)
470
471 Your perceptions and reality ofeen seem to differ. This is hardy
472 unique to you alas. Bt it is disturbing to me none the less.
473
474 You go on and on about the teribe things tha the district did to you.
475 I have no knowledge of this, so I can in knw way judg the
476 veracity of your claims. However, whn you start taking abou things
477 that I do know abou, I inevitably notice major incuracies.
478
479 You seem to be the sort o person who holds a grudge forever. It seems
480 to me tht these grudges color your perceptions in a major way. This
481 is at best counterproductive to you caue, as people seriously doubt
482 your veracity.
483
484 Of course, I do't know why I bther as you neer seem to read the board. You
485 just bury us in yourendless stream of conciousness stories of the
486 past.
487
488 An Atral Dreamer
489 &*&*&*&*'s (Blah, I type to fast.)
490
491 (An can't spell)
047=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/31/92 20:15 Msg:7219 Call:40624 Lines:3
492@PLEASE EXPLAIN INVALID PARAMETER?
493@I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS A HIGHER
494@SECURTY LEVEL I CAN GO TO ON THIS SYSTEM.
048=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/31/92 20:43 Msg:7220 Call:40625 Lines:16
495
496 ((((((((((((((((((((((((( I just can't stop ... these things just fester.
497
498 Know what I mean???? I was just thinking about the "program" on site
499 management I caught the end of the other day, with NWREL's Dr. Wrobert
500 Wrath. He kept flashing all these printed overheads he was preaching
501 from, and at the very end of the sermon, he told 'em he had copies of
502 all of them. Well, why the heck didn't he hand them out to start so
503 everyone could take their notes with the aid of the outline? Educational
504 researchers. I got the impression he was saying the only responsibility
505 of Curriculum would be The Framework ... which reminded me of my surprise
506 that both Evaluation & Curriculum directors lost their Asst. Supt. status
507 last year. I wudda thought they'da put Evaluation UNDER Curriculum to get
508 a better balance. But that's just My Humble Opinion, Off the Top or From
509 on the Bottom, whichever <grin>.
510
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511 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOM Hi guys, I'm back again! MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO
512
513 And like the NWREL studies, I've always wondered how much the reclassifi-
514 cation of classified personnel ended up costing over the years of evalua-
515 tion, re-evaluation, and re-evaluation of the re-evalusations. Up front
516 that is. I know the REAL cost could never really be calculated, what
517 with all the meetings the union held with employees during work time and
518 all helping employees "add" things to otheir job descriptions to make it
519 sound more high-falutin and meetings to explain why everybod but the
520 executive-administrative classified staff came out so low (I think they
521 were finally just removed from "classified" status and don't have to pay
522 into the "union" system ... that's how that one was solved, I think).
523 Even though I didn't attend the meetings (actually I wasn't invited
524 because even though I had to pay the obligatory dues, I didn't, like
525 many other classified staffers, officially "join"), another secretary
526 gave me the information they were circulating, which were the evaluations
527 and re-evaluations of secretaries who'd been classified higher. I guess
528 what our department was supposed to do is just insert nice-sounding
529 rhetoric from those into our re-evaluated re-evaluations. But I remember,
530 too, that those secretaries who felt they'd been royally screwed over, we
531 allowed to do the usual musical-chair switches that were against union
532 contract. Of course, I was ineligible because Personnel felt I was un-
533 transferrable because I'd made complaints about a former dysfunctional
534 office even though the union told me, when they wanted to settle my four
535 year-old grievances strictly thru Dr. Taylor (without hearings), that I
536 was "the best 'computer-operator' in the district" (a point upon which I
537 immediately corrected them ... not only because I didnt have the hard-
538 ware or software to be able to make any progress, but I knew that the
539 entire Maintenance Department secretarial crew, for one, was totally
540 excellent and enthusiastic.
541
542 In one work-time meeting I *did* attend, I *did* ask Randi if it would
543 not have made more sense to rewrite PPS job descriptions first, before
544 all the baloney was added, so that classified staff could expand on those
545 duties from there. TO start adding items like "budget forecasting" seems
546 out of the realm of responsibility *and* "culpability/accountability" for
547 a mere secretary, just as "making appointments" for five separate TSAs
548 (and making sure to remind them of their meetings .. making *me* account-
549 able) as demanded by Susan Larsen in the illegal meetings held in my
550 department for the good part of a year. Even though she stated "her
551 secretary" made "her appointments," when I tried to make an appt w/Susan
552 I was told it was "impossible" to keep someone else's "calendar,"
553
554
555 Blather on .... it's all become so complicated because nothing was DONE.
050=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 08:34 Msg:7223 Call:40630 Lines:21
556
557 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO If nothing else, it SHOULD prove interesting ... MO MO
558
559 After reading this AM's paper, noting the reference to "the hearings
560 process," I become even more suspicious. But to state this whole thing
561 came about because of the BUF strike, seems insulting ... but the typical
562 twisted MO I've always seemed to witness in my now 12-year association w/
563 district officialdom. Since Marshall was cited as an exemplary worksite
564 by NWREL as part of their initial "study," why weren't they chosen as a
565 part of the "pilot project" I wonder to myself? or as *The* pilot project??
566 We might have been assured of some integrity. But it also seems amazing
567 about the timing. Now that the re-evaluations of the re-evaluated re-eval-
568 uations are done and new job descriptions formed on that basis to add
569 numerous specific and impossible "accountabilities" to the already vague
570 "anything within reason" (which OFT states is anything short of being
571 asked to jump out a second-story window or some such thing ... according
572 to State Statute) and the new probably equally as inane 4-year "Contract"
573 has been signed off, seems almost diabolical to change the entire dynamics
574 of the positions/classifications upon which all this nonsense is based.
575 But Who am I to say? You know ....
576
051=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 10:01 Msg:7224 Call:40631 Lines:6
577 $$$$$$$$ Weird or what ... the "general public" can't call PFT-CE
578 with general questions like "did classified employees vote on the site-
579 based management plan" without having their attorney call PFT-CE's attorney,
580 Michael Jordan. I thought OFT toldme the other day that was illegal. Oh
581 well, at least I told her I thought it was funny the new addition of "my
582
052=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 10:08 Msg:7225 Call:40632 Lines:1
583 attorney." Last time I talked to him I could call Mr. Jordan direct.
053=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 12:36 Msg:7226 Call:40633 Lines:21
584 *************************
585 And in Other Interesting Developments, at the inspiration of a BBSr on
586 another Board I became obsessed with a wildflower planting for the right
587 of way in front of my house, and figuring it's the least they could do,
588 called the city to see if I could have some of their seed. That was three
589 days ago, and I got nothing BUT help from them ... immediate help as a
590 matter of fact. And they even called back 2x to my 1 call. So today, I
591 hear what sounds like a backhoe (the Another "New Development" type of
592 sound, yaknow) so I investigate and what's happening out here IS .... on
593 the land COP "stole" from Mary Montague for backtaxes after she was widowed,
594 you know, they're gonna make into a wildflower test garden!!!! How neat and
595 what a coincidence. Only one problem, as I can see it, WHAT access are
596 they gonna use??? There's no roads in there and the unpaved roads in front
597 of our houses is like 20' wide. If they're gonna bring hoardes of "strem
598 snitch" kids thru here, they're gonna wanna improve the access somehow. And
599 I'm sure we all want the traffic down here. And I also wonder why immediate
600 neighborhoods are not informed of these things. Oh well, it still sounds
601 nice. Sure seemed like a fire hazard, teen hangout, and being two blocks
602 off Barbur *and* the freeways to Everywhere, a right fine (and known) camp
603 for transients.
604
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605
606 I think the least they should do is name the site the Mary Montague Test
607 Gardens, though.
608
055=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 13:15 Msg:7228 Call:40635 Lines:9
609
610 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& I realize this IS April Fool's but BAM ...
611 another klingler to make my day. Environmental Services just showed up
612 to check the rifraff the city put in the ditch they dug thru my property
613 and lo and beehold, the news is that the engineer from hell we were rooked
614 by has now left USA in Washington County and is a new member of the COP
615 staff. I think I'll have to get busy with my History of Citadel Estates
616 I threatened to write.
617
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618
619 I suppose I should also update the small book I submitted to the Mayor's
620 office regarding the problems we've encountered out here since the Civil
621 War started BY the city. A couple of months ago, I coincidentally ran
622 into a neighbor (I didn't even KNOW he was a neighbor when I started
623 talking to him at this bazaar in Tualatin ... he lives a couple of blocks
624 away but his brother in law lives right up the street) that has even more
625 dirt about Citadel ... something about actually having to move an already
626 constructed, just-purchased house because of improper boundaries.
627
057=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 14:32 Msg:7230 Call:40638 Lines:4
628
629 .... or maybe it should be called "The Widow Montague" Memorial Gardens
630 to commemorate this kind of ethics, morality, and politics.
631
058=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/01/92 14:50 Msg:7231 Call:40639 Lines:9
632 &*&*&*&*'s
633 Putting research and evaluation under curiculam would be like putting the
634 police internal affairs people under the jurisdiction of the cops on the
635 street. Ever here of accountability? You go on and on about it all the
636 time. To bad you don't grasp it.
637
638 An Astral Dreamer
639 &*&*&*&*'s
640
059=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/02/92 06:54 Msg:7233 Call:40642 Lines:10
641
642 ######################## And the plot thickens (and complicates) ... and
643 look WHO's say WHO is doing the backstabbing. PFT-CE is being challenged
644 once again!! I hope PAT is more SERIOUS this time. Maybe OSEA will enter
645 back into the proceedings this time. I guess I should try to focus on the
646 most horrible things PFT-CE/OFT/AFT did to me and present them in a "rat-
647 ional" manner. They should NEVER be allowed to do what they did to me to
648 another person ... ever. And the district *and* board should be stopped
649 from their terrorist and stonewalling nonsense.
650
060=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/02/92 19:52 Msg:7234 Call:40650 Lines:11
651
652 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& I guess the City hiring Russ Lawrence confirms in my
653 own pea-brain my own personal theory that the whole East County hype was
654 probably a total fraud, used to make the $40 sewage rates a little more
655 "wholesome" seeming ... like maybe we're actually DOING something besides
656 just providing perks and free services for wealthy (greedy) developers.
657 But then that's just my humble opinion. What I do know for sure is that
658 Lee Klingler knows good and well just what kind of man he is ... or men
659 they are, whichever. And they'd better not be doing what they did at
660 Citadel.
661
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662
663 And Yikes! WOuldn't it be funny if the stressed music teacher featured
664 in The Oregonian whose psychologist "fixed everything" by telling him
665 he was suffering from dysfunctional family/parental rage syndrom was
666 the same teacher who was actually enduring sever harassment and humilia-
667 tion at the whims of Dan Klee? I can just hear it now, as Mr. Klee
668 slams the poor guy's yearly evaluation on the floor and stomps on it
669 are recites the district(board) credo, "it's not what HAS happened that's
670 relevant, but WILL happen (to your neck)..." or "it's 10% what's happened
671
062=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/02/92 21:40 Msg:7236 Call:40652 Lines:3
672 and 90% your reaction," or twisted it more succinctly "Control your re-
673 actions ... end of conversation: period."
674
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675 ???? Of course, Hosford's woe could show to go that site-based management
676 *COULD* also work, if there WAS proper balance between management/board/
677 unions, since the community and too few courageous teachers did have the
678 integrity of conviction to go beyond fears of stonewalled responses and
679 police state reprisals. And it *did* point to the Board's typical response
680 to problems, which always causes further complication beyond imagination.
681 But to have Both the admin & board state (among other things) it was all
682 "only a Personnel matter" and of "concern" only to and by Personnel, in my
683 humble opinion, goes right to the core of the Complication <- which is the
684 THeme of the PPS Board "guidelines/mission statement" publication.
685
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686
687 The way the whole things WAS handled, though, put Everybody concerned in
688 what Should Have Been a simple complaint process, in a True Lurch <- which
689 seemed to be the Theme of the 5-page double-spaced "script" PFT-CE/OFT
690 prepared for My "Hearings" process <-<- which, in actually was an ordeal
691 by water, of which a book Should Be Written <grin> ... and which should
692 definitely be "Looked Into" is this is, as Wrobert Wrath said, to be the
693 major problem-solving tool under his researched site-based management plan.
694
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695
696 &&&&&&&&&&&&& And Aint it Amazing Babies, the new Twist to the Dominion
697 Travesty (it still sounds too much like Dominique to me). I wonder if
698 the N. Portlanders involved were Really informed of the risks involved
699 in COP lawyer-MO "interference." Is this another typical networked
700 "bureaucratic" Lurch??? It'll be interesting to see What Happens Now.
701 I wonder how kids survive this kind of stress and parental humiliation.
702
066=Usr:610 Peace 04/06/92 19:00 Msg:7242 Call:40698 Lines:82
703
704 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ peace $$$$$$$$$$$$$
705
706 My turn. Fasten your seatbelts kids. This is a heck of a story, because it's
707 true.
708
709 Six mnths ago I gave up trying to find a real job in Portland and went back to
710 delivering pizzas. Finances were extremely ticght from being unemployed for
711 far too long. I hooked up a second job with temp service. So I was slamming
712 from one job into the next with out room to breathe or think, when I saw
713 someone I knew out of the corner of my eye. That's what I thought, anyway.
714
715 Tuns out not to be my long lost friend but someone who looks remarkably alike.
716 I began to think he might make a good love interest, but soon found out that
717 he was afamily man. Four and a half years of marriage and two kids. So, I
718 started to think he'd be a great friend. We were both working two jobs and
719 time for friendship was scarce, but we managed.
720
721 Then he said it. "I've bee thinking about the 'D' word." I nearly wrecked
722 the car I was driving at the time. I knew his marriage was rocky at best,
723 and that it had been from the start. I had occassionally wished that he
724 were available, but had NOT expected this!
725
726 We continued to see each other as "friends" but we both knew that much more
727 was waiting to break from just beneath the surface. Barely remembering
728 right from wrong, we spent many hours together instead of sleeping.
729
730 The Christms season approached and I left Oregon for a week to go home to Mom.
731 While there, she offered to pay off ALL debts and send m through college, IF
732 I agreed to move home for at least 2 years. I didn't know what to say. I
733 *loved* Oregon, but Ihad no future there the way things were going. I decided
734 to say OK.
735
736 When I arrived back in Oregon, "he" met me at the airport. He'd jut moved out
737 of the slimey little house his family called home. We had a place to be and he
738 was on his way to a divorce. (The aforemetioned "d" word) So we did what
739 came naturally and turned loose what we had suppressed for so long. We lived
740 almost inseperably for about two weeks. Then his housemate returned.
741
742 Finally, I talked him into giving his marriage another try. I met his wife,
743 and I acted as a marriage counselor to both of them. Then I took a look at
744 what I was doing, realized I was working very hard in the opposite direction
745 from what I wanted most, and quit. He was back with his family, I'd done
746 the right thing. There was no need to torture myself further. I tried to go
747 on with my life.
748
749 He stopped by my pizza place during his lunch hours, and called me almost
750 every day. There was something mssing. As if the life was being sucked out
751 of him, he looked "monotone". I asked if this was what he really wanted, and
752 if he was happy with his life. He assured me that he was fine. I nodded and
753 turned back to my work.
754
755 Some days later, on a dark and stormy night, I sat in the living room of
756 a friend's apartment. The phone rang. It was my last BF's new GF calling to
757 announce their engagement. I felt suddenly that everyone in the world was
758 falling in lov and getting married and leaving me alone. I excused myself,
759 and sat in my car crying. Finally, I headed home, where a wonderful house
760 mate handed me a glass of wine and told me not to worry about it.
761
762 Leaving my home to give another friend a ride south that evening, there was
763 yet another car that looked like "his" coming toward me from the other side
764 of the intersection. In the rain it even looked like th car flickered its
765 lights at me. Iwas in teh middle of telling myself not to be so folish, when
766 the offending vehicle turned through a red light in front of me and onto a
767 side street. The light turned green and I began to pull away, when someone
768 got out of the car and began to chase me. I stopped. It was him.
769
770 I openned the car door. When I asked him what he was doing, he said, "Looking
771 for you! I've looked everywhere; called all your friends, I've driven to all
772 your usuall places. I've been worried sick. What's wrong?"
773
774 I told him what had gotten me so upset, and we discussed the strangeness of
775 his being aware of my desire to see him. At that moment, I believe, we gave
776 in to our feelings for each other. So glad to have found each other again, we
777 said "to hell with ethics" and acted in our own best interests.
778
779 Later that evening, when we had picked up my friend who wanted a ride, I said "
780 "If life continues to be like this, I'm going to quit."
781
782 I'll tell you the rst later...
783 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ peace $$$$$$$$$
784
067=Usr:530 Jessie a. 04/08/92 05:56 Msg:7244 Call:40712 Lines:6
785 *!*!*!*!*!*!*!
786 Peaceyou sound like you are in a lot of pain. You have our ear. And I'm
787 sorry to know you hurt and got hurt. This place can be a filthy place at
788 times. Lots of people know hurt. Sound off with whatever you need to.
789 Support you've got
790 Jessie
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791 -------------------------------------------------------------
792 Gosh, I hope that things will work out ok.
793 ---------------------------------------------
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794 C
795
796
070=Usr:417 TREVOR MACY 04/12/92 20:03 Msg:7249 Call:40760 Lines:6
797 DLS
798
799
800 CC
801
802
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803 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO
804 Interesting comment by Phil Keisling about educational malpractice. Now
805 that I have an absolutely CLASSIC letter of Board Member Turner (also a
806 social worker/psycholigist at PSU) that reflects to a T exactly what I
807 was trying to point out to the entire Board about executive behavior/
808 attitudes .... all of which SHOULD constitute educational malpractice.
809 Funny thing that Lauri should be working for him, what with her long-
810 time association with the district/board/whatever. Then, too, with the
811 article on Jerry Wilson in the same Sunday Forum section, it dawned on
812 me that the school board now seems to be all made up of lawyers and
813 "power" company concerns (one both <-grin> with one developer thrown in.
814 But I wonder why the Wilson article didn't mention activities prior to
815 Soloflex that most probably "enabled" him/them to "start" w/so much
816 capital.
817 M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M))M)M)M)M)M)M)M))M)M)M)M)M
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818
819 o o
820 -------------------""---U---""--------------------Ma Kilroy was here ---
073=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 04/17/92 18:56 Msg:7252 Call:40806 Lines:1
821 CBYE
074=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/18/92 10:36 Msg:7253 Call:40810 Lines:12
822 &*&*&*&*'s
823 Thing that doesn't annoy me. Being let go at the end of the year because
824 Measure five caused another 15% cut in the Research and evaluation dept.
825 budget. (On top of a %10 cut last year.)
826
827 Thing that does annoy me. Getting my hours cut in half because the head
828 of the department is running scared. And I was one of the lucky ones.
829 The physcal year doesn't even end till june.
830
831 An Astral Dreamer
832 &*&*&*&*'s (Looking for a job in the real world.)
833
075=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 04/20/92 05:30 Msg:7254 Call:40821 Lines:9
834 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
835 Astral-
836 There is no such thing as the real world any more. I work in the private
837 sector, where it seems that long term planning is next quarter, and a short
838 term problem is a signal to absolute panic. So far, I have a job. As a
839 matter of fact, I have three people's jobs. :)
840 Keep looking.
841 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][[][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
842
076=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/20/92 07:38 Msg:7255 Call:40822 Lines:8
843 &*&*&*&*'s
844 Friar, thats interesting. Sounds just like what they are always criticizing
845 on TV. The US just can't seem to compete because we can't look more than
846 one querter into the future. Thats life I guess.
847
848 An Astral Dreamer
849 &*&*&*&*'s (Heading for a depression of a differant sort)
850
077=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 04/20/92 17:10 Msg:7256 Call:40823 Lines:1
851 WILL MISS HIM.
078=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/21/92 12:27 Msg:7257 Call:40841 Lines:7
852 &*&*&*&*'s
853 Well, they cut another 190000. Looks like the stupid political games
854 didn't work. Life sucks, but the alternative is a lot worse.
855
856 An Astral Dreamer
857 &*&*&*&*'s
858
079=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/22/92 05:39 Msg:7258 Call:40848 Lines:15
859
860 oo
861 --------------""---u---""---------------the nose is outta joint but I
862 aint gonna correct it, because it would be impossible anyway. But I
863 called in cause I thought I mighta SMELLED another rat (after reading
864 yesterday's paper). Is this yet another PPS Strings Attached Shenanigan
865 or what ... with the Board and all? Maybe there IS something to term
866 limitations. How long's Rieke been on the Board, and his Mother right
867 before that? Now might be a good time to take Griffith up on his offer
868 to look into my matter. I could include my newest insult in the mess.
869 Or maybe I should wait for the new superintendent, whose already seems
870 to have been "enabled" to start off on the wrong foot.
871
872 But did I hear Peter Jennings say the othe day there's a new trend to
873 do away with school boards?
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874
875 And who WAS that wonder "volunteer" for PPS on Ch2 news last night? As,
876 usual, I wasn't quite listening (because they tend to bug me) and I looked
877 over and thought it was Carol Turner in our face again. And since this is
878 a drug she seemed to be "pushing" on me when I had a little visit with her
879 (along with running for a school board position, like they musta told Ron
880 Herndon according to the Snoregonian), leads me to believe there's some
881 kind of inbreeding here. Actually, I took it as a compliment that she
882 thought I should volunteer to work with the kids because it kinds contra-
883 dicts every reason they all originally said I shouldn't be working for the
884 district in the first place. Anyway, the "chick" on the news sure looked
885 like Ms. Turner, like she was a sister or something.
886
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890 The Portuguese were well aware of the curvature of the earth.
891 In fact it was a very pressing problem at the time. They had
892 been making longer and longer explorations down the coast of
893 Africa. This caused them problems because the standard
894 navigational method at the time was rather crude. It consisted
895 of sighting on the North Star which told them how far down the
896 coast they were. The problem was that they were begining to
897 lose it as a reference as they approached the equator. They
898 needed very much to come up with a new navigation system that
899 was not dependant upon such a limited view point. They were
900 using the latitude/longitude system already, as laid out in
901 Ptolemy's Geographica. All they really needed was a better
902 system to know the latitude and longitude they were at.
903 At the time, they were navigating in the southern Atlantic
904 using a combination of the sun and the North Star.
905 When they ran into a "large landmass" to the west they knew
906 that it was something new. That's why Portuguese is spoken
907 today on the Eastern side of South America.
908 When Chris C. sailed off to try to find the new spice route
909 to Japan, he carried with him a copy of Toscanelli's map which
910 showed him how to get there. The map was created from a
911 combination of information that Toscanelli had put together from
912 a multitude of sources, including the efforts of the Portuguese
913 and Marco Polo. Toscanelli's main input was that instead of
914 labeling the area "Terra Incognita" (unknown lands) as Ptolemy
915 of Alexandria did, Toscanelli projected that there was 6500 miles
916 of ocean there (based on the information he got from the Portuguese.
917 He based that on the knowlege of the curvature of the Earth being
918 about 75 miles per degree at the equator, and calculating from
919 that based on the land mass that was currently known. His main
920 error came from the incorrect size that Macro Polo had provided
921 about the size of the Asian continent.
922 In 1440 Cardinal Nicholas wrote his Reconciliation of Opposites.
923 In it he wrote; "If the universe is infinite then the Earth in not
924 necessarily, or even possibly at the centre. And if that is so,
925 the Earth may well be circling the Sun. It is only the viewpoint
926 of the observer as he stands on the Earth that makes him think
927 it the centre of the universe. The same would be true of anybody
928 standing on the Moon or on any one of the stars and planets there
929 might be in the universe. And if everything were relative to
930 everything else, the only way to know where you were on the Earth
931 or on a planet, would be to measure the 'elsewhere'."
932 As you can see, the argument at the time was not whether the
933 Earth was flat or round, but rather whether the Earth was circling
934 the Sun or the Sun circled the Earth. With the Earth circling the
935 Sun becoming the favored belief by those with sufficent knowledge.
936 Interestingly, the discovery of the Americas did a lot to change
937 that belief. Since the Bible made no mention of the American
938 continent, it put to question the completeness of truth as revealed
939 in the Bible. It wasn't until the 1500's when Copernicus wrote his
940 "Little Commentary", which later was published as "On the Revolution
941 of the Celestial Spheres." That the argument became heated public
942 debate.
943 The issue of the Earth being flat or round was nothing by contrast
944 to the issue over whether the earth moved and that it was not the
945 center of the universe. Aristotle had said two thousand years before
946 that the Earth was a sphere. "Because that was a perfect shape and
947 because its shadow could be seen on the moon."
948 The issue of movement and universal centering though was much more
949 of a difficult hurdle to overcome. The Bible stated flat out that the
950 Earth did not move "The world is established that it cannot be moved."
951 This is why the wierd and bizzare orbital patterns for the planets and
952 the Sun existed for so long. It was an attempt to force the Biblical
953 account to fit with observed fact. Essentially, Copernicus said;
954 "I don't care whether the Earth moves or not by Biblical account.
955 What I care about is that the math works out. Pope Gregory then used
956 the "new math" to revise the calandar in 1582 to the form that we
957 use today.
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961
962 I went to sleep with gum in my mouth and now there's gum in my hair and when
963 I got out of bed this morning I tripped on the skateboard and by mistake I
964 dropped my sweater in the sink while the water was running and I could tell
965 it was going to be a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day...
966
967 I think I'll move to Australia...
968
969 At school Mrs. Dickens liked Paul's picture of the sailboat better than my
970 picture of the invisible castle.
971 At singing time she said I sang too loud. At counting time she said I left
972 out sixteen. Who needs sixteen?
973 I could tell it was going to be a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.
974 ...we went to the shoestore to buy some sneakers. Anthony chose white ones
975 with blue stripes. Nick chose red ones with white stripes. I chose blue ones
976 with red stripes but then the shoe man said, We're all sold out. They
977 made me buy plain old white ones, but they can't make me wear them.
978 When we picked up dad at his office he said I couldn't play with his copy
979 machine, but I forgot. He also said to watch out for the books on his desk,
980 and I was as careful as could be except for my elbow. He also said don't
981 fool around with the phone, but I think I called Australia. My dad said
982 please don't pick him up anymore.
983
984 There were lima beans for dinner and I hate limas.
985 There was kissing on TV and I hate kissing.
986 My bath was too hot, I got soap in my eyes, my marble went down the drain,
987 and I had to wear my railroad-train pajamas. I hate my railroad-train
988 pajamas.
989
990 It has been a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.
991 My Mom says some days are like that...Even in Australia.
992 -Alexander
993
994 Carol said he'd probably shredded when I mentioned confidentiality) and
995 prepared herself with it during the time she couldn't meet with me.