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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 08/28/89 23:28 Msg:4274 Call:23573 Lines:3
20 Things are seldom what they seem, skim milk masquerades as cream.
21 -- W.S. Gilbert
22 ************************ disk #100.4 *********************************
003=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 08/29/89 00:32 Msg:4275 Call:23576 Lines:8
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24 Wow......I can see all the way to Yakima from up here.
25
26 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
27 He's Baaaaaack
28
29 {+}{+}{+}{+}
30
004=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 08/29/89 08:18 Msg:4276 Call:23579 Lines:1
31 Why would you want to see Yakima? I'ne been there, ther's no there there.
005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/29/89 09:16 Msg:4277 Call:23580 Lines:8
32 &*&*&*&*'s
33 The century mark... Wow. 100 archive disks after this. I have it on good
34 authority that that is around 20 meg or more of backwater archives. Happy
35 100th!
36
37 An Astral Dreamer
38 &*&*&*&*'s
39
006=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/29/89 18:33 Msg:4278 Call:23589 Lines:14
40 &*&*&*&*'s
41
42 Eventually Morton came to a fork in the road. One way was well traveled
43 and maintained, while the one on the right was hardly a path. Without
44 pausing he went right, mumbling to himself 'I took the road less traveled.'
45
46 The trees and grass on either side were almost uniformly a dull sickly
47 green, and the entire place was nearly silent.
48
49 (Contributing as much as anybody else today.)
50
51 An Astral Dreamer
52 &*&*&*&*'s
53
007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/29/89 21:52 Msg:4279 Call:23595 Lines:75
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55 HIGHER SPEEDS BRING MORE DEATHS:-8/28/89
56 It's a national struggle of the will and the gas pedal that rages after
57 states raised speed limits on certain sections of interstate highway to 65
58 mph. Concern about just how fast U.S. residents should drive is increasing
59 after preliminary evidence shows more people died in highway accidents as a
60 result of the higher speed limit.
61 More U.S. residents are wearing safety belts than ever before, but more
62 aggressive promotion of the belts could push use even higher, a safety group
63 said. Traffic Safety Now, reported Sunday that in states requiring use of the
64 belts, 51 percent of motorists wear them. In states without laws, about 36
65 percent of motorists wear them. Thirty-four states have seat-belt laws.
66 With faster speeds come greater numbers of deaths, says the National
67 Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The agency is expected to submit a
68 formal report next month but preliminary 1988 figures show a 13 percent
69 increase in deaths on rural interstates. NHTSA, like the Bush administration,
70 says speed limits are the states' business.
71 Two years ago, with the "energy crisis" long abated, Congress gave states
72 permission to increase limits to 65 mph on rural interstates where surrounding
73 population does not exceed 50,000. Within nine months, 38 states exercised the
74 option. The result: 32,168 miles of interstate, roughly three-fourths of the
75 44,328-mile system, were made eligible for 65 mph.
76 Working with death reports from the first 38 states adopting the higher
77 speed limit, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that 1988
78 traffic fatalities on rural highways in those states increased 30 percent
79 compared to 1987. "It's a much greater increase in deaths than would have been
80 expected if speed limits hadn't been changed," says groups spokesman Brian
81 O'Neill.
82 There is a growing perception that the federal speed limit might be the
83 most blatantly abused law since Prohibition. About one in every nine drivers,
84 or about 20 million U.S. residents, says they own a radar detector, generating
85 gross sales estimated at about $300 million yearly. Connecticut, one of 10
86 states still enforcing 55 mph, found 85 percent of motorists were exceeding
87 that limit.
88 In 1984, the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academies
89 of Science and Engineering, said states spent about $512 million annually to
90 enforce 55 mph on about 35 percent to 40 percent of all moving traffic. Other
91 findings: 52,000 to 82,000 fewer injuries a year and about $122 million to
92 $240 million less in medical, legal and vehicle repair bills.
93 MOST CRASHES ARE DRIVER ERRORS:-8/28/89
94 Nearly 21 million auto-related accidents, resulting in 48,700 deaths and
95 1.8 million disabling injuries, occurred in 1987, the National Safety Council
96 reports. Most, 67 percent, were caused by driver error. In a recent survey of
97 500 motorists commissioned by Valvoline Oie1l Company 33 percent wrongly said a
98 aflashing red traffic light meant "proceed with caution."
99 Debate continues to rage after states raised speed limits on certain
100 sections of interstate highway to 65 mph. But concern about just how fast U.S.
101 residents should drive is sure to intensify over preliminary evidence that
102 more people have died in highway accidents as a result of the higher speed
103 limit.
104 In 1974, in the wake of the Arab oil embargo, Congress imposed a 55 mph
105 limit nationwide; the standard was made permanent the next year. Two years ago
106 Congress gave states permission to increase limits to 65 mph on rural
107 interstates where surrounding population does not exceed 50,000. Within nine
108 months, 38 states exercised the option; Georgia and Virginia did so just last
109 year.
110 Two years ago 32,168 miles of interstate, roughly three-fourths of the
111 44,328-mile system, were made eligible for 65 mph. Later, another 2,200 miles
112 of similar road in 16 states was added on a trial basis. But faster speeds
113 brought more deaths, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says.
114 Preliminary 1988 figures show a 13 percent increase in deaths on rural
115 interstates.
116 There is a growing perception that the federal speed limit might be the
117 most blatantly abused law since Prohibition. Connecticut, one of 10 states
118 still enforcing 55 mph, found earlier this year that 85 percent of motorists
119 were exceeding that limit. The state could lose federal highway money if that
120 scofflaw figures holds up through 1989.
121 In Pennsylvania, where 1,184 miles of eligible interstate remain at 55
122 mph, the Legislature considered going to 65 this spring. The debate bogged
123 down when somebody suggested banning radar detectors. About one in every nine
124 drivers, or about 20 million U.S. residents, acknowledges owning a radar
125 detector, generating gross sales estimated at about $300 million yearly.
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128
008=Usr:277 Schizo 08/30/89 00:19 Msg:4280 Call:23600 Lines:43
129 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
130 Old glory, also know as pancake-head, was strolling in the forrest one day
131 when he heard the distant call of a paratrouper. Remembering is grade school
132 training, he quickly ran to the principal's house only to find the house
133 empty. It seems that the principal had died some years earlier and hadn't left
134 a cent to poor pancake-head. Feeling hyper depressed, as he tended to feel
135 after discovering the neglegence of the dead, he decided that the next best
136 thing to do was to releive himself on the nearest public building. On this
137 particular day, his urine was a light pink color presumably from thinking
138 about how stupid the proccess of voting in the united states really is.
139 Pancake-head soon finished off the building, only to discover that it was
140 schedualed for daily maintanance. Damn he thought, now I'll have to go back
141 to grandma's place and drink more glue before I can do this again!
142 all this trouble would have gone unnoticed if it hadn't been for the
143 fact that an extra-terrestrial named skinhead hadn't been looking in on the
144 doings on planet Earth that day. Well, skinhead thought, theses earth people
145 sure are ****ed up. I'm gonna have to get down to earth and show 'em how we
146 do things on the planet glats. So he hopped into the one way transmat beam,
147 not realizing that Earth technolegy at that time was only capable of
148 trans-beaming to nearby tourist traps, and then only if they had a sufficient
149 amount of cash to purchase more stuff than would go back through the transmat
150 beam at one time.
151 Pancake-head was on his way to Grandma's house when his leg broke in the
152 middle of nowhere. It seemed obvious to pancake-head that trouble was in his'
153 future. At that instant, skinhead appeard due to a severe malfuntion in
154 the transmat beam. The malfunction also caused skinhead to mutate into an
155 orian slave girl (the green kind as seen on star trek!). well, as you can
156 guess, Pancake-head was overwhelmed with lust. Skinhead didn't have a chance
157 as pancake-head's body instinctivly lept 20 feet in the air and landed in the
158 correct region of skinhead's body to begin mating procedures. The force of
159 pancake-head's landing knocked skinhead out cold. after finishing the task,
160 pancake-head lay dead upon skinhead.
161 It was some hours later when skinhead awoke from the concussion, only to
162 find several large dents in his titanium lined underwear, and Pancake head
163 lying atop him. skinhead decided not to try to reform earth has he originally
164 set out to do. Instead, realizing the tremendous earning potential an
165 Orian slave girl has in this part of the Galexy, skinhead married several
166 earth men in succession and killed them by letting them try to mate though
167 his titanium underwear. This action led to several million dollars being
168 given to skinhead as a result of the wills left by the now deceased and
169 sterile husbands.
170 In short, skinhead lived happily ever after.
171 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/30/89 08:11 Msg:4281 Call:23606 Lines:15
172 &*&*&*&*'s
173 To those that don't like the news,
174 1. We never seem to hear from you, unless you are bitching about the news.
175 2. Not all of us have the time or money to get this stuff elsewhere, so
176 its new to us.
177 3. when Whomever stops posting that stuff backwater grounds to a halt, as
178 much as two days pass before anything is entered.
179
180 leading to
181 4. If you want me to come out against the news then start contributing
182 yourselves. ANYTHING is better then NOTHING.
183
184 An Astral Dreamer (Feeling cantankerous this morning, and not able to spell)
185 &*&*&*&*'s
186
010=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/30/89 11:33 Msg:4282 Call:23608 Lines:44
187 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
188 > SWOB:
189 > Hate to tell you this, but multivalued logic systems have been around
190 > for a long time.
191
192 I realize this. Ternary logic problems are indeed fun, but to be
193 meaningful they require a set of circumstances where three values
194 may occur. I do not see truth and falsehood as having a third value,
195 (I don't think anybody does) and that was my point. Facts are either
196 true or false, never anything else. In short, I'm not saying that
197 logic cannot be applied to cases where more than two values are
198 possible, I'm only saying that truth and falsehood is not such
199 a case.
200
201 > They no more destroy the basis of logic, than using a base
202 > other than 10 destroys the basis of arithmetic.
203
204 True. Unfortunately, multi-valued logic can be appropriate or
205 inappropriate to a given problem. With varied bases, the answer
206 is still the same, but with varied logic values you make assumptions
207 about the data beforehand. If the quartic/quintic system of logic
208 presented had come up with the same answers as the binary, I would
209 not have any disagreement with its usage.
210
211 > Also "This sentence is false" is not a paradox in *any* logic system!
212 > There's usually a chapter on this sor of thing in any good book on symbolic
213 > logic. The only way it looks like a paradox is if you confuse the langauge
214 > and the meta-language.
215
216 I considered this problem when trying to think of an actual
217 impossible situation. Doesn't the meta-language only come
218 into play with blanket statements about the whole group, such
219 as the proverbial Sicilian who says 'All Sicilians are liars'?
220 'This sentence is false' is a self-referential ("This"), so I
221 figured it was outside the realm of the meta-language. Forgive
222 me if I was wrong. My point is only that something cannot be
223 both true and false.
224
225 "Sometimes the beauty of the world is so overwhelming. I just want
226 to throw back my head and gargle. Just gargle and gargle, and I _
227 don't care who hears me, because I am beautiful." /#)
228 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
229 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
230 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
011=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/30/89 14:58 Msg:4283 Call:23611 Lines:14
231 ...................................................
232 As she stood there, trying to decide the best course of action, Friar spoke:
233 "The is no need to run away. No one will harm you. At least no one I've
234 seen so far. There are those who seem to thrive on gore, but not I, or (I
235 think) those following me." She thought about his words. She thought of her
236 mission. She thought of her safety. "Do you remember where the pond lies?"
237 she asked. Friar paused, a look crossed his face as if an old wound had been
238 laid open again. The others were within hearing distance now. They seemed to
239 hesitate, as if they weren't sure they weren't intruding. As if their
240 curiosity had taken control of their bodies, and they found themselves drawn to
241 this couple, almost beyond their control. Before anyone else could speak,
242 Friar broke the tension....
243 ......................................................
244
012=Usr:4 Milchar 08/30/89 18:45 Msg:4284 Call:23615 Lines:7
245 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
246 Thanks for the memories, O Man of Little Parity (if any). 'Twas truly
247 a pleasant night.
248 And now there is a new Keeper of the Archives, by far the easiest copy
249 ever made. Of course, he had to find a partition with enough free
250 space left... :-)
251 ++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++ August 30, 1989 +++++++++++++
013=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/30/89 20:14 Msg:4285 Call:23617 Lines:6
252 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
253 Friar and Ms. '...' Border: I noted the last entry of Ms. '...' with a bit of
254 confusion. Last I checked, The Cloaked Man was confronting Friar on the Road.
255 If I MISSED something, forgive me, but if that is so, an update would be
256 appreciated.
257 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
014=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/30/89 20:19 Msg:4286 Call:23618 Lines:6
258 &*&*&*&*'s
259 Thats a problem with Multi-Authored stories. It's also half the fun.
260
261 An Astral Dreamer (What, no rebutals to my last entry?)
262 &*&*&*&*'s
263
015=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 08/30/89 21:21 Msg:4287 Call:23620 Lines:10
264 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>30-Aug-89
265 This is is a test of Network Zero. We're attempting to get the bugs out of our
266 up-link, down-link inter-phase....Please stay tuned for news as we invent it,
267 here on World Watch Three.
268
269 This is only a test.
270
271 If this were an actual emergency, we wouldn't be conducting this test.
272 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
273 ^p
016=Usr:277 Schizo 08/30/89 23:05 Msg:4288 Call:23625 Lines:2
274 I lurked... It's no fair looking at the "privlaged" information either,
275 it would completely ruin the spirit of this message!! So don't do it!!
017=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/31/89 00:16 Msg:4289 Call:23629 Lines:62
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277 JUDGE FINES ABORTION PROTESTERS:-8/30/89
278 Twelve members of Operation Rescue were fined $10,000 each Tuesday and
279 ordered to pay $111,000 to lawyers for groups that advocate abortion rights
280 for violating a court order against blockading women's clinics in Southern
281 California. Their lawyer said blockades were necessary to save babies. But
282 U.S. District Judge A. Wallace Tashima called the defendants "hypocrites."
283 DAUGHTER'S RAPE JAILS MOM:-8/30/89
284 A Detroit mother of four was sent to prison for life Tuesday for letting
285 her 13-year-old daughter be raped as payment for crack cocaine. Susan Barbier,
286 29, sobbed as Judge James Rashid said she had "sunk to an intolerable level of
287 humanity." The girl was too shaken to make a statement asking the judge to
288 keep her mom locked up to protect her siblings, said her father, Michael Dare.
289 Where WERE the right-to-lifers when they were needed?
290
291 DEBATE - CHILD CARE USA TODAY'S OPINION:
292 No mother, no father should have to pass up a good job because there's no
293 one to care for their children. No child should be left alone before or after
294 school. No parent should have to worry all day about the safety of the child
295 dropped off for care on the way to work. Solving the problem won't be cheap.
296 But child care is one of the best investments we can make.
297 OTHER VIEWS:
298 TOTTIE ELLIS, vice president of the Eagle Forum and a free-lance writer:
299 Children belong to their parents and not to the government. Parents should
300 delay their wants, realizing a child is more valuable than cars, TVs or other
301 material objects.
302 JEFF RIGGENBACH, free-lance writer and broadcaster: We should not ask
303 government to "do something." ... We should demand that it undo what it has
304 done in the past. If our elected officials really want to help us out of the
305 current child-care crisis, they should begin by backing off.
306 PRESIDENT BUSH: "We must put our trust in parents, not in expanded
307 bureaucracies."
308 SEN. ORRIN G. HATCH, R-Utah: "I started looking at the statistics and the
309 facts, and when you do, you ask `What are we doing to our families?' You've
310 got to be concerned about the parents who just don't know what to do."
311 NATIONAL GOVERNORS' ASSOCIATION TASK FORCE ON CHILDREN: "The federal
312 government can lead best by example, beginning by developing a coherent
313 national strategy to support families and their children."
314 OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLA., Robert H. Alexander Jr., 38, lawyer: "The best day
315 care is not one type, but a range of options that best suits each family. That
316 could mean government-sponsored day care or private-sector day care."
317 VISALIA, CALIF., Norma Kemper, 63, retired teacher: "I think the old-
318 fashioned way of staying at home is the best kind, if families can afford it.
319 If not, then day-care centers that are well-staffed, at good facilities and
320 affordable are fine. I'm not so sure the government should get involved in day
321 care. It gets into so much and then things go haywire."
322 ARLINGTON, VA., Sam Marsh, 34, outreach coordinator: "The best day care
323 would be the mother taking care of her own child. But that's not feasible in
324 every situation. The government should help in some way. I like President
325 Bush's proposal for a tax credit to offset the cost for day care. Maybe that's
326 not the best we can do right now, but at least it's a start."
327 DAUGHTER'S RAPE JAILS MOM:-8/30/89
328 A Detroit mother of four was sent to prison for life Tuesday for letting
329 her 13-year-old daughter be raped as payment for crack cocaine. Susan Barbier,
330 29, sobbed as Judge James Rashid said she had "sunk to an intolerable level of
331 humanity." The girl was too shaken to make a statement asking the judge to
332 keep her mom locked up to protect her siblings, said her father, Michael Dare.
333
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335
336 to |||||====== , or whatever.... you must have missed something, or mis-read.
337
018=Usr:29 The Bard 08/31/89 16:06 Msg:4290 Call:23640 Lines:35
338 SWOB:
339 Sorry, but True and False are the endpoints of a continum. I doubt it
340 is possible to make a True statement about the real world, except possibly
341 mathematically.
342 Remember, "What is Truth?" goes back a long way.
343 As for the metalanguage, it *has* to come in in any "self-referential"
344 sentence. The sentence is just symbols, parsed according to the rules of the
345 language. If the language is self-consistent, then the sentence has a truth
346 value. But that value doesn't depend on the *meaning* of the sysmbols.
347 <this sentence> <is> <false>.
348 <x> <is> <y>.
349 <this sentence> is a symbol. <false> is a symbol.
350 <This sentence> is not The Sentence In Question. <false> is not False,
351 which is a possible result of parsing The Sentence In Question.
352 A good example is the BASIC statement: A=A+1. By the rules of mathematics
353 this would be a false statement. By the rules of BASIC it results in the value
354 of A changing. The "this sentence is false" paradox is equivalent to looking
355 at the BASIC statement and declaring it a paradox!
356 "This sentence is false" is either a nonsenical bit of English, or it
357 is a collection of symbols to be logically evaluated. In the first case, it
358 isn't anything but nonsense. In the second case, it is just symbols, and self-
359 reference isn't allowed.
360
361 BTW, if you want examples of "multi-value logic" in the real world, ask a
362 scientist about "degrees of confidence". You have a range from False to true
363 with stops along the way at various degrees of "probably true" and "probably
364 false". Note the difference between *facts* (ie reality) and *statements about
365 those facts*. Facts are either true or false. Statements about reality have
366 degrees of truth. Note also that a "fact" is a wondrously complex thing.
367 "Water boils at 100 degrees C" is not a fact. "Pure H2O boils at 100 degrees
368 C at standard atmospheric pressure" is a lot closer to being a fact, but
369 there are still loopholes that have to be closed. ("pure" and "boils" both need
370 some work.."
371 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bard~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
372@off
019=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/01/89 01:43 Msg:4291 Call:23654 Lines:97
373
374
375 {+}{+}{+}{+}
376
377 -|- F I S H N E W S -|-
378 -|- EDITORIAL -|-
379
380 STRANGE JUSTICE IN CHARLOTTE : THE LORD REALLY DOES WORK IN
381
382 MYSTERIOUS WAYS
383
384 By ThingFish
385
386
387 It's been quite an uplifting week in the news. The twin
388 spectacle of Leona Helmsley and Jim Bakker being whipped like
389 dogs and ground into sausage before our video eyes is the best
390 thing to come over CNN since Lloyd Bentson made Danny Quayle's
391 lower lip quiver.
392
393 The wretched saga of Jism Jim and Pancake Tammy, in
394 particular, has reached an all new level of hellish grief and
395 humiliation; or joyous rapture, depending on which side of the
396 drama you're on.
397
398 Bakker is up on some very heavy fraud and conspiracy charges -
399 24 counts in all - which could, in theory, net him 120 years in
400 prison and a 5 million dollar fine. The PTL "Partners" would
401 need to dig deep, yet again, to pay off a ticket like that - and
402 their numbers, and contributions, have been dwindling of late.
403 It's beginning to look like God Almighty may be sympathetic to
404 the D.A.'s point of view on this one.
405
406 On the third day of the trial in Charlotte, North Carolina,
407 former PTL vice-president Steve Nelson collapsed on the witness
408 stand - effectively bringing the proceedings to a halt while
409 urgent prayers from Bakker and an ambulance were summoned.
410 Somewhere around this time Jim Bakker began feeling a little
411 light in his loafers himself.
412
413 Day four never got off the ground at all. U.S. District
414 Judge Robert Potter suspended the trial, sent the jury home and
415 had Bakker committed for psychiatric testing amid baffling
416 reports that Bakker was found trying to stuff his head under a
417 couch in order to better escape the scary monsters he was busily
418 hallucinating. Bakker could be institutionalized for up to 60
419 days, and he began his journey to the nuthouse by assuming the
420 fetal position in the backseat of a federal automobile. The U.S.
421 marshals were not amused.
422
423 Some feel that this is all a ruse, a sham cooked up by Jim and
424 Tammy to take the heat off for a while so they can re-group. But
425 Bakker was led away IN HANDCUFFS and is now spending his days
426 and nights in a FEDERAL CORRECTIONS FACILITY. If this freak show
427 is all just calculated showboating, it can't be working out the
428 way the Bakkers had hoped. Surely a nice limo ride to a nice
429 private hospital would have been more what they had in mind.
430
431 Tammy Faye was quick to point out that they have been under a
432 lot of stress lately. Well, maybe so. There are a lot of people
433 up on charges in this country, but you don't often find them
434 cowering under the furniture, dodging giant flying manta rays
435 that are trying to bite their heads off. When a man in a suit
436 hits the deck to hide from something no one else can see, there
437 is usually something stonger than stress involved. Maybe Jim has
438 been dipping into the same diet pills that led Tammy to observe
439 in-flight monkeys frolicking on the wing of their Lear jet a few
440 years back. Perhaps these witness stand fainting spells and
441 early morning lapses into psychosis are a warning sign that the
442 all-night, hysteria fueled prayer/testimony rehearsal sessions
443 have reached a dangerously fevered pitch in the Bakker camp.
444
445 Another possibility is that what we are witnessing is a kind
446 of Divine Justice in action, and never mind any courts of law,
447 legal posturing, or sentencing guidelines. If Jim Bakker has
448 soiled the carpet of decent society, maybe this is God's way of
449 rubbing his nose in the steaming mess. And if Jim Bakker is a
450 bad doggie, you must admit that the Lord has a mighty good arm
451 with that rolled up newspaper.
452
453 Rather than smite him down with a thunderbolt from heaven,
454 maybe it is God's will that Jim Bakker writhe in secular agony,
455 that he be left twisting in the wind, fighting off the demons of
456 his tortured soul, with only his frightening wife, his failed
457 empire, his financial ruin, and his uncertain future to comfort
458 him.
459
460
461 Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord
462 (Romans 12:19)
463
464 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
465 Gimme That Ole Time Religion
466
467
468 {+}{+}{+}{+}
469
020=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 09/01/89 16:14 Msg:4292 Call:23668 Lines:3
470 Milch-
471 First 1.75 years are as long in paper as last quarter 83.
472 Friar
021=Usr:4 Milchar 09/01/89 17:48 Msg:4293 Call:23670 Lines:6
473 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
474 Quite a variance in the number of entries, eh? I believe BW's usage
475 chart peaks out in '85 sometime, when a 629-line-disk-a-day was common.
476 It took me quite a while to read the archives up to my appearance, a few
477 hours at a time....
478 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
022=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 09/01/89 19:00 Msg:4294 Call:23671 Lines:97
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480 YEAH THINGFISH !! Halleluiah !!BAKKER COMMITTED FOR TESTING:-9/
481 The tumultuous trial of Jim Bakker takes an extended, unscheduled Labor
482 Day break this week - with the disgraced televangelist committed to a
483 psychiatric facility. Bakker, charged with fraud and conspiracy, has been
484 hallucinating and hiding in his lawyer's office in the fetal position, a
485 defense psychiatrist told the Charlotte, N.C., federal court Thursday.
486 Bakker, reportedly, now has free run of the grounds at a federal prison.
487 Inmates have been warned by officials to watch their wallets closely.
488
489 LEE ATWATER, head of the National Republican Committee, had this comment: "I
490 think Jim Bakker should receive a full pardon for all the things he didn't do
491 wrong. After all, he was behaving in the manner we promote for all good
492 Republicans to behave. We are just sorry we weren't able to involve him with
493 all the good Lord's bounty we other Republicans received from HUD. I feel
494 that if we had a few more Jim Bakkers in this world, we could achive a
495 Republican majority in the House of Representatives again in our life time."
496
497 NEW IDEA FOR FIGHTING DRUGS:-9/1/89
498 An Idaho doctor has come up with a novel idea for combating drug use in
499 sports: pool the team's urine samples after competition. Dr. Fritz R. Dixon of
500 Boise suggested in Friday's Journal of the American Medical Association that
501 if the group sample was found to contain drugs, the team would lose the
502 competition, forcing teams - not individuals - to accept responsibility for
503 fighting drugs.
504 sounds like a good idea to me
505
506 consider this next one in light of the press reports of this country's first
507 involvement in Viet Nam ... Want to start a war to revive the economy? Send
508 the advisers first, then we'll need to support them with fighting soldiers,
509 then we'll need to send material......
510 TRAINERS ARRIVE IN COLOMBIA:-9/1/89
511 U.S. military trainers and equipment begin arriving in Colombia Thursday -
512 the first big U.S. role in that country's war against the cocaine kings. The
513 Pentagon said Thursday that up to 100 U.S. military personnel would train
514 Colombian police to use helicopters, small attack planes, weapons and C-130
515 cargo planes.
516 Of course, LEE ATWATER had a comment: "We did our damnest to get a war going
517 in Central America during the Reagan years, but the Contras were more intereste
518 in selling drugs than fighting, so we were forced to give up. Now, the America
519 people are realizing that our "War on Drugs" is a sham, and we have to appear
520 to do something about it. Now, we can use that as an excuse for putting
521 young American lives on the line, send more money south, and look like we're
522 doing something. I feel that far-sighted thinking like this will all but
523 ensure a Republican majority in the House in our lifetime."
524
525 OIL FIRMS FIGHT METHANOL:-9/1/89
526 Faced with the growing momentum of the clean-air movement, big oil
527 companies are scrambling to head off drastic proposals that would replace
528 gasoline with alcohol fuels, such as methanol, the Sept. 4 issue of Business
529 Week reports.
530 Major oil companies are racing to develop "reformulated" gasolines so they
531 can compete with alternative fuels, and protect their $100 billion-a-year U.S.
532 gasoline market from methanol competition, says the Sept. 4 Business Week.
533 "They don't want to have methanol crammed down their throats," says John R.
534 Dosher, managing director at Pace Consultants Inc.
535 Top Bush administration officials favor methanol as a new fuel because it
536 produces 50 percent less smog or ozone than gasoline, the Sept. 4 Business
537 Week reports. By 1997, 30 percent of all new cars sold in the nine dirtiest
538 cities in the United States will have to burn cleaner fuels, such as methanol,
539 under the administration's proposed revisions to the Clean Air Act.
540 Oil companies are hot for reformulated gasoline because they can produce
541 it in existing refineries, says the Sept. 4 issue of Business Week. But
542 gasoline can't match methanol as a smog-reducer. Removing lead from gasoline
543 results in fuels that produce more smog. Refiners have substituted aromatic
544 compounds that include carcinogens, such as benzene and other smog-producing
545 chemicals.
546 Arco is working on a reformulated gasoline that reduces evaporative
547 emissions by 21 percent, yet lowers unburned hydrocarbons - the main culprits
548 in smog - by only 4 percent. Arco says future gains will be tougher, according
549 to the Sept. 4 Business Week. It would cost $17 billion to cut aromatics just
550 10 percentage points, says Information Resources Inc.
551 Refiners claim they can perfect a better gasoline within five years, but
552 they might not have that much time, says the Sept. 4 Business Week. Despite
553 oil industry opposition, Colorado passed new clean-air laws two years ago.
554 Also, California wants 40 percent of all new cars to burn methanol by 2000,
555 and eight Northeastern states are studying stringent clean-air proposals.
556 LEE ATWATER could not be reached for comment.
557
558 7TH WITNESS IMPLICATES ROSE:-9/1/89
559 A seventh witness in the trial of Thomas P. Gioiosa has offered testimony
560 implicating Cincinnati Reds' manager Pete Rose in tax fraud. Shirley
561 Fehrenbach, whose daughter dated Gioiosa for a year, said that Gioiosa had
562 bragged he was sheltering Rose's track winnings from taxes.
563 As Lee Atwater, Chairman of the Republican National committee, said: "Only
564 little people pay taxes. I don't understand what everyone's upset about Pete
565 Rose, Leona Helmsly, and and Jim Bakker not paying taxes...it's common practice
566 for us big people. If they had to pay taxes on the actual amount of money they
567 get, it will leave that much less for them to buy Republican candidates. If
568 they don't buy Republican candidates and the elections, we'll never get a
569 Republican majority in the House again, and we may lose control of the
570 Presidency and Senate too. If the wealthy in this country have to follow the
571 same rules and laws the middle and lower classes do, what's the point of being
572 ludicrusly wealthy?" or words to that effect.
573
574 696969696969696969
575
023=Usr:272 Talos 09/02/89 01:59 Msg:4295 Call:23677 Lines:34
576 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
577
578 A TRUE STORY IN THE DAY IN THE
579 LIFE OF A "COP-WANNA-BE"
580
581
582 A short story though looking back it made me feel better about my job
583 as a security officer with Crowd Management Services (CMS). We do mostly
584 concerts and events like that. The other night I was working the George Clinton
585 concert at Stary Night. All night I'd been checking coats at the door for guns,
586 booze, cameras, etc. I also had to tell people they couldn't leave and come
587 back, Stary Night has a 'No re-entry' policy. After 6 hours of doing this the
588 concert was over and people started leaving. A young lady came up to me and
589 asked about paging her friend because she'd lost her. My partner went up to the
590 main floor and looked around for her. No luck. I walked her around for 20
591 minutes, through parking lots and small crowds looking for her friend. No luck.
592 She was from Seattle, lost, scared, and a little drunk. She was nearing tears &
593 her friend was nowhere to be found. It was also time for me to stow my gear and
594 get home. Well, it was my job to protect her, a paying customer of the concert,
595 and to make sure things were 'cool'. At one point she nearly broke out in tears
596@
597 and screamed. She said "please hold me!" in a rather terrified voice. I held
598 her and said "It's going to be all right. I'll stow my gear, we'll get you to a
599 phone and you can call a friend of yours. I won't leave you alone until you get
600 to your friend." She settled down and I walked her back to the hall. I checked
601 in my shirt and got my stuff and went to get her a phone. Lo and behold her
602 friend was there. They hugged and talked to her for a bit and I walked out with
603 a pat on her shoulder and said "Don't lose your friends, it'll be all right
604 now." I caught a cab and came home.
605 Thinking about it, I remembered holding her in my arms and telling her
606 that everything would be all right. Yeah, it's a rough job, but at times 's
607 really worth the effort.
608 Talos Valheru
609 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
024=Usr:588 Wayne S. 09/02/89 14:54 Msg:4296 Call:23682 Lines:11
610 ================================================================
611
612 You know, I'm awful tired of dropping by this board and reading about
613 trivial matters like politics and religions and science and logic, etc.
614 No, I want to bring up a question that _really_ impacts life on this
615 planet!
616
617 What does anyone here think of the new NFL noise penalty? Is it good?
618 Is it bad? and most importantly, will it work?
619
620 ========================Signer====================================
025=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/02/89 17:47 Msg:4297 Call:23684 Lines:4
621 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
622 I heard that the judge wanted to sentance Jimmy to working six months for
623 Leona Helmsley, but he couldn't. There are laws about cruel and inhuman
624 punishment in this country.
026=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/02/89 17:49 Msg:4298 Call:23685 Lines:1
625 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
027=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/02/89 19:17 Msg:4299 Call:23686 Lines:18
626 ======================---------------===================-------------==========
627
628 Yeah man, the rehashed news stories just feeds the creative whim of everyone
629 here. I mean when I read something on backwater that I just saw on the Today
630 show two days earlier, the first thing I want to do is write my own original
631 entry. I am sure it is the same for everyone.
632
633 By all means keep on entering stolen articles from other news sources, so
634 backwater can continue to thrive!
635
636 Makes sense to me yuck yuck yuck
637
638 Speaking of which - how do you know what I do here or how much I contribute?
639 Either you are making gross assumptions or you are peaking at information
640 you have no business peaking at. Shame on you!
641
642 --------------------=================== Charitable ==================----------
643
028=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/03/89 01:24 Msg:4300 Call:23697 Lines:25
644
645
646 {+}{+}{+}{+}
647
648 Nice Going Talos.
649
650 My job is full of small rewards and petty frustrations too, and
651 sometimes you can't tell which is which until you get home
652 and think it over.
653
654 I'm in no hurry to regress into seventies love-coated share
655 fests...but it is nice to read an occasional slice-o-life
656 reflection from time to time among the cool stories
657 and harsh opinions.
658
659 I assume behind every sharp hacker there lies a real person..
660 ...its good to hear from you.
661
662
663 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
664 Get Outta Here, Ya Big Softie....
665
666
667 {+}{+}{+}{+}
668
029=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/03/89 15:51 Msg:4301 Call:23704 Lines:1
669 The petrie dish kid was here!
030=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/03/89 20:02 Msg:4302 Call:23706 Lines:3
670
671 ahhhhaaa, a clone eh?
672
031=Usr:13 voyeur 09/04/89 00:02 Msg:4303 Call:23714 Lines:2
673 Hmmm.... I think the petrie dish kid is missing a chromosome...
674
032=Usr:272 Talos 09/04/89 00:17 Msg:4304 Call:23715 Lines:12
675 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
676
677 ThingFish, thanx. After I got home and thought about it, I really felt good
678 about what I did. Some guys would've ditched her or put a move on her. At one
679 point she had started walking away real fast like she was pissed off and didn't
680 want me to help her but I stayed with her. After I caught up with her is when
681 she broke up. I like to think there are still SOME nice guys left. I went out
682 and saw When Harry Met Sally tonight with a girl I've been seeing. Got some
683 good vibes after the show. It's one of those 'feels good to be alive' nights
684 now. Good night from Hollywood,
685 Talos Valheru
686 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
033=Usr:29 The Bard 09/04/89 00:23 Msg:4305 Call:23716 Lines:38
687 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
688 Tahl D'Jehn
689 (words & music: Diana Gallagher)
690
691 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
692 bound for a new star, Chai-te,
693 Seeking new worlds for the ashin bey.
694 The colony awaits signal --- go or stay
695 The decision will be Tahl d'jehn's, the shtahn jii.
696
697 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
698 found Chai-te rich beyond dreams.
699 But the Law applied, expansion denied,
700 if an intelligence there did abide.
701 The Mediators had so agreed it should be.
702
703 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
704 chose to explore Chai-te Two.
705 Te sole living world, it showed no evidence
706 of an indigenous, alien intelligence --
707 Until a derelict probe was taken in tow.
708
709 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
710 analyzed the facts, then he knew.
711 The NASA were gone, drowned in a sea
712 of carbon dioxide in antqiy
713 The reasons Tahl questioned alone.
714
715 CODA: Why did they perish, not try to escape
716 Into the darkness and safety of space?
717 Why did they die -- jehda tohm?
718 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
719 As I have pointed out on another board, there is all to great a possibility
720 that the Voyagers and Pioneer spacecraft will be the only evidence that our
721 species ever existed. Thus the song above.
722
723 Let's make the above future impossible.
724 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
034=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/04/89 01:20 Msg:4306 Call:23717 Lines:16
725
726
727 {+}{+}{+}{+}
728
729 Some Free Advice
730
731 Never...EVER...go to a Catholic wedding with a hangover.
732
733 You're Welcome
734
735 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
736 All Rise...Please Be Seated...All Rise...Please Be Seated...
737
738
739 {+}{+}{+}{+}
740
035=Usr:29 The Bard 09/04/89 13:44 Msg:4307 Call:23719 Lines:1
741 [1m
036=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/04/89 13:58 Msg:4308 Call:23720 Lines:7
742
743 Or attend mass on Palm Sunday when you're pregnant and have morning sickness.
744 It's about a two-hour service ... I hit my funnybone on the way down (do they
745 still kneel???) and thought I was gonna die. I wasn't feeling well anyway
746 and I wasn't Catholic either and had never really been to mass before ...
747
748 done
037=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/04/89 19:29 Msg:4309 Call:23725 Lines:6
749 Adios to all from Rayal Von Jerrik. I shall return from the Netherworld at
750 a later date, but for now, I wishyou all goodbye and good luck!
751 I may not have been on for a loonlong time, but rest assured that I am still
752 here!
753 ArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrrArrArrArrArr
754 Away, ye scurvy landlubbers1
038=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/04/89 23:28 Msg:4310 Call:23729 Lines:7
755 Or you could just skip the pregnancy thing altogether and go the petrie dish
756 method. Of course be careful when you are walking around the lab with the
757 stuff or you might lose that chromosome and end up using slow outdated
758 computers for the rest of your life.
759
760 The petrie-dish kid
761 ...................
039=Usr:13 voyeur 09/05/89 00:14 Msg:4311 Call:23732 Lines:3
762 I see! Dropping a Bit of genetic material would cause one to attain Parity with
763 a certain 'hombre, eh? Gosh, I love Biology!
764
040=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/05/89 09:09 Msg:4312 Call:23738 Lines:14
765 &*&*&*&*'s
766 What one contributes under another handle does not concern me. I judge only
767 under the handle that I am talking about. I don't think I should be expected
768 to either a) figure out what handle goes with which other handle. or b)
769 relly on the easily defeated log.
770
771 Now, about the news. I don't watch TV, other then an occasional movie on the
772 VCR. I seldom have time to read the paper either, so the news is not old to
773 me. I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. You are entitled to
774 your opinion.
775
776 An Astral Dreamer
777 &*&*&*&*'s
778
041=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/05/89 16:08 Msg:4313 Call:23745 Lines:127
779 > SWOB:
780 > Sorry, but True and False are the endpoints of a continuum.
781
782 I'm still not convinced we've actually disagreed on much yet.
783 If you mean by this that we always make statements with less
784 than perfect certainty, I wholeheartedly agree. If you mean
785 that some statements can be true in some cases, and not in
786 others, I also agree. But if you are saying that a statement
787 about a particular thing can be somewhere between true and
788 false, I'm beginning to doubt. Now surely something can be
789 "close" to the truth, as the models of modern Physics closely
790 parallel the actual observations, and if you were to call
791 modern physical models "near truth," I would tend to agree.
792 The only place I would depart from this statement is where
793 one is talking about something in the specific, well-defined,
794 and complete sense. A statement must, in the end, be either
795 right-on or not. This is the sense of truth I was referring
796 to when I said that things are either true or not.
797
798 > I doubt it
799 > is possible to make a True statement about the real world, except possibly
800 > mathematically.
801
802 With infinite precision? probably not. But if you widen your scope
803 enough, you'll eventually hit something that's true (i.e. instead of
804 saying "water boils at 100C", say something like "water boils"
805 (I know, I know, 'how profound!'))
806
807 > Remember, "What is Truth?" goes back a long way.
808
809 At least back to Francis Bacon. But, as William Golding said, some
810 use it as the end of an argument, instead of the beginning.
811
812 > As for the metalanguage, it *has* to come in in any "self-referential"
813 > sentence. The sentence is just symbols, parsed according to the rules of the
814 > language. If the language is self-consistent, then the sentence has a truth
815 > value. But that value doesn't depend on the *meaning* of the symbols.
816 > <this sentence> <is> <false>.
817 > <x> <is> <y>.
818 > <this sentence> is a symbol. <false> is a symbol.
819 > <This sentence> is not The Sentence In Question. <false> is not False,
820 > which is a possible result of parsing The Sentence In Question.
821
822 I think I see what you mean: that the statement is not self-
823 referential. But I can find no justification for this position.
824 To say that "this sentence" is on a different level of abstraction
825 than "false" does not ring true to me. They are both particulars
826 and both concrete. And I cannot agree with the statement that the
827 value of a sentence does not depend on the meaning of its symbols.
828 The sentence "I am human" can be true if and only if "I" (the
829 person, not the word or the concept) truly "am" (in the physical
830 sense) "human" (fall within whatever specifications determine
831 humanity).
832 The sentence "All sentences are false" is not nonsense,
833 because "all sentences" is a different level of abstraction than
834 the sentence in question. "Never say never" is not a paradox
835 since the first "never" is talking about all statements, the
836 second about particular ones (see Neil Portman, "Confusing Levels
837 of Abstraction"). I do not see this type of difference in "This
838 sentence is false."
839
840 > A good example is the BASIC statement: A=A+1. By the rules of mathematics
841 > this would be a false statement. By the rules of BASIC it results in the valu
842 > A changing. The "this sentence is false" paradox is equivalent to looking
843 > at the BASIC statement and declaring it a paradox!
844
845 Of course, if you change what "is" means, you can make the sentence
846 coherent. (In the preceding example, you have simply changed the
847 meaning of '=' from comparison to assignment)
848
849 > "This sentence is false" is either a nonsenical bit of English,
850
851 Exactly my point. The sentence is pure nonsense.
852
853 > or it
854 > is a collection of symbols to be logically evaluated.
855
856 I suppose you can view it that way, but then you are taking away
857 its meaningfulness to the real world anyway.
858
859 > In the first case, it
860 > isn't anything but nonsense. In the second case, it is just symbols, and self
861 >rerence isn't allowed.
862
863 Exactly! So what are we disagreeing on? I think, perhaps, I was
864 speaking solely in the first sense, while you were speaking solely
865 in the second.
866
867 > Note the difference between *facts* (ie reality) and *statements about
868 > those facts*. ^^^^^^^^^^
869
870 In keeping with the context of the discussion, I was restricting
871 my discussion to the truth or falsity of facts only. I agree
872 completely that statements about facts can be "true" (accurate)
873 without being infinitely precise.
874
875 > Facts are either true or false.
876
877 Couldn't have said it better myself.
878
879 > Statements about reality have
880 >degrees of truth.
881
882 Yes, depending on how closely they approximate the facts.
883
884 Well, I can't really see much that I disagree with other than the
885 nature of the statement 'This sentence is false.' (whether it is
886 self-referential or refers to something else). I am content to
887 say that it is an assertion which can be assigned no logical value,
888 and is therefore not a proposition, but if it really is referring
889 (somehow) to the *concept* of a sentence rather than this particular
890 sentence, please explain how this is reconciled with other sentences
891 about particular things.
892 In short, I don't know what the sentence is. It seems to
893 me to be nonsense, and since the application of levels of abstraction
894 and meta-language to self-referential truth statements is not a
895 burning question in my mind, I'm willing to drop it. We seem to
896 agree on the point I was making to (Friar, was it?) that facts are
897 either true or false.
898
899 "I think there should be something in science called the 'reindeer
900 effect.' I don't know what it would be, but I think it'd be good
901 to hear someone say, 'Gentlemen, what we have here is a terrifying _
902 example of the reindeer effect.'" /#)
903 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
904 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
905 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
042=Usr:29 The Bard 09/05/89 22:10 Msg:4314 Call:23748 Lines:15
906 SWOB:
907 >We seem to agree on the point I was making to (Friar, was it?) that facts are
908 >either true or false.
909
910 But what both Friar and I have been saying is that *statements* may be true,
911 false, or anything inbetween. Your exapmple above will do quite well:
912 "water boils". The statement may be true or it may be false. But it requires
913 information not present in the statement OR IN THE RULES OF DISCOURSE to
914 determine which. That Is why I said it is almost impossible to make a true
915 statement about reality.
916 The statement must be able to stand on it's own.
917 Likewise, "This sentence is false" can't be a paradox, because the only means
918 of parsing it that will even give it the appearance of one is English. English
919 is not a "formal system". Thuis it can't have paradoxes...
920 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
043=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/06/89 09:51 Msg:4315 Call:23760 Lines:10
921 &*&*&*&*'s
922 But it ("This sentence is false.") Is Meaningless. Null Program. Same thing
923 as a paradox as far as I can see. Translate it to any other language (French,
924 Russion etc.) And you'll find it is just as meaningless. Much like saying
925 A:=A; in pascal. Any good optomizer would get rid of it because of the lack
926 of meaning.
927
928 An Astral Dreamer
929 &*&*&*&*'s
930
044=Usr:26 Mohammed Wassir 09/06/89 19:04 Msg:4316 Call:23775 Lines:9
931 Blue Parrot Blues
932
933 I've been away for a few days and upon my return, I can't seem to
934 revive the Parrot. The darned thing won't boot up. Please
935 consider the Parrot off-line until I can figure out what the
936 problem is.
937
938 Michael Bigham
939 -------------------------------------------------------------------
045=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/06/89 20:36 Msg:4317 Call:23776 Lines:3
940 Ack! Help Somebody! I'm going through Parrot withdrawl! Ack!
941 Awk! Awk! Polly wanna cracker! Awk!
942 ==================================================================
046=Usr:507 todd rogers 09/06/89 22:10 Msg:4318 Call:23779 Lines:14
943 -------
944 -------
945 -------
946 -------
947 ------- I just stopped by to say that i have nothing to say.
948 ------- That is i would have had nothing to say if I didn't stop
949 ------- by and say that i had nothing to say. But now that I've
950 ------- said that i had nothing to say, I guess that was something
951 ------- in itself..... Hmmmmm.... I'm going to have to think
952 ------- about this for a while.....
953 -------
954 ------- When you say your thinking about nothing, are you thinking
955 ------- about nothing or are you thinking ABOUT nothing....
956 ------- If you catch my drift... that is if I throw it.
047=Usr:4 Milchar 09/06/89 23:40 Msg:4319 Call:23780 Lines:5
957 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
958 And Celene is back on the air! Well, sort of. My spell laboratory is
959 set up on a kitchen table here in Rose City, pending a more permanent
960 transfer of equipment. But at least I can catch up on BW...
961 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
048=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/07/89 09:40 Msg:4320 Call:23785 Lines:3
962
963 sed! sed! perl! perl!
964
049=Usr:289 Audie Huber 09/07/89 17:11 Msg:4321 Call:23797 Lines:17
965 3.141592653589793238463.141592653589793238463.14159265358979323846
966
967 Just another psychotic. How many of you nimno Backwaterians are
968 heading off to college this month. Or how many of you are in college
969 right now. I'm headin' off to University of Oregon, so I'll be missing
970 BWMS. Just wonderin'.
971
973 There once was a woman from Bright,
974 Who travled much faster than light.
975 She went out one day, in a relative way,
976 And returned the previous night.
977
978 History does not repeat itself, historians repeat each other.
979
980 --Audie Huber.
981 3.141592653589793238463.141592653589793238463.14159265358979323846
050=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/07/89 21:47 Msg:4322 Call:23802 Lines:11
982 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
983 Some timely advice for Milch follows, but mostly just a swoblurk...
984 ||
985 \/
986 "f you keep some people's brains alive by putting them in an
987 aquarium after they're dead, go ahead and put in some snails to keep
988 down that algae. But not too many, because the snails could _
989 overpopulate and crowd out the brains from the habitat." /#)
990 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
991 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
992 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
051=Usr:277 Schizo 09/07/89 22:29 Msg:4323 Call:23803 Lines:7
993 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
994 Here is the end.
995 The terrible lifesucking merciless end.
996 And I stand alone, my only companion
997 that which I belive to be here, but not seen, not heard.
998 And not even belived by most who have gone before me. The end.
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