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NUMBER OF LINES: 462 001=#-1-4 03/15/1987 16:14 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 19 Lines 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2 ************************* 23 MAR 87 (DA developement) ************************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 no restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 to leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 *********************************************************** 19 002=#84-4 03/15/1987 14:22 M#1 C#3 (15 Min) 2 Lines 20@At the top! Woopee!!!! 21@Boarder..Boredoor..Boardear 003=#84-4 03/15/1987 14:45 M#2 C#10 (5 Min) 3 Lines 22@Har hardy har.. A real twit was here 23@^G^G^G^G ding-a-ling-a-ling 24@Ain't I neat? ^G^G^G^G^G^G 004=#84-4 03/15/1987 15:02 M#3 C#18 (25 Min) 4 Lines 26 An idea of what a Header would look like mixed in with some text 27 I don't know if it means anything or not. 28 Of course part of this is to see how visible it will look mixed with text. 29 ************************ CISTOP MIKEY ************************* 005=#0-4 03/15/1987 16:24 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 5 Lines 30 Hello. test. 31 test. 32 test. 33 test some more. 34 test again. 006=#0-4 03/15/1987 16:56 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 2 Lines 35 Yat (Yet another test). 36 3/15/78 @ 4:55pm 007=#0-4 03/15/1987 17:00 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 1 Lines 37 Snarf? 008=#0-4 11/03/1989 00:46 M#0 C#0 (1 Min) 2 Lines 38 Snort, growf snit... Gronk? 39 009=#0-4 03/19/1987 01:43 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 1 Lines 40 Snark, snorf. 010=#0-4 03/19/1987 02:01 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 3 Lines 41 $^%#@*&^#(*&^@#*^@#*(&@%#&^%@*&#%&@^%#&^%#&^@%#&^%@^&#%&^@%# T.T. 42 43 Strikes again! 011=#0-4 03/19/1987 02:13 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 2 Lines 44 Snarf, glorb, snit, growf, the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox, or 45 something like that. 012=#0-4 01/31/1984 03:50 M#0 C#0 (3 Min) 7 Lines 46 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 47 Well, now. Is this thing working reasonably? I see that the messages so 48 far consist of BWMAKE stuff plus my own testing ramblings (see "Snarf", 49 above). Just a couple of more pieces to stick in, and then we can let 50 (shudder) the general public at it. 51 +++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++ 3/22/87 at 3:24am (of course, you 52 *knew* that, didn't you? 013=#0-4 01/31/1984 04:15 M#0 C#0 (14 Min) 20 Lines 53 Milch: knew what? Who are you? How did you find out what was here? 54 How did you even get here? For that matter who am I? and how did 55 *I* get here? Where am I? I think I'm lost in a neverending 56 entry in the twilight zone. Dee doo dee doo dee doo dee doo dee doo 57 I'm waiting for the disk to access again to see how long it takes 58 there it went, took about 1 to 2 seconds. Now *that* is going to 59 make for some interesting download programs, since when the disk 60 drives grab the system they shut off interrupts which means you 61 have to wait for it to come back. Hmmm I don't see any real easy 62 way around this other than possibly doing what is done in BW 63 right now, which is to not echo the next character until the disk 64 is done. Of course that would be basicly what is happening here right 65 now. (The disk just accessed again, gives you an idea of how far 66 between accesses.) Unless we go to ramdisk I don't know any easy 67 way around this. Hmmmm what about if we put all the entries into 68 records on the heap? That would mean making a 80K record file out 69 on the heap with pointers, then when we go through the hangup procedure 70 (or drive switch, or maybe on ^C) we could dump it all to disk. 71 (There went the disk drive again.) Any ideas? 72 ********** Who else uses this border (and I'm not kathyD :-) ************** 014=#0-4 03/22/1987 22:05 M#0 C#0 (9 Min) 16 Lines 73@[ 28 percival->News > cat Rec.arts.sf-lovers 74@From reed!tektronix!cae780!hplabs!hpcea!hpda!hpesoc1!hpsal2!hpdsd!hpindda!jeo 75@Wed Mar 18 22:22:40 PST 1987 76@Article 2201 of rec.arts.sf-lovers: 77@Path: 78@percival!reed!tektronix!cae780!hplabs!hpcea!hpda!hpesoc1!hpsal2!hpdsd!hpindda!o 79@>From: jeo@hpindda.UUCP (Eric Okholm) 80@Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf-lovers 81 Aha! oops! no it *isn't a bug. lines remaining doesn't reflect deleted lines 82 (which is as it should be). 83 And as for uploads, *I* don't have any trouble (except maybe falling asleep) 84 just wait for the echoes... 85 (gee, maybe we should recompile this and call it driveC & D until we get the 86 testing done, just think of the fun... dropping references to "your msg on 87 Drive d..." Heh heh.. 88 ____03/22/87__________Leonard_JD 2446877.7448_________21:52:37_PST_________ 015=#0-4 03/22/1987 23:58 M#0 C#0 (-1434 Min) 9 Lines 89 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 90 Mike: Well, I was referring to the time I entered the above message, but 91 the system didn't get the time right for some reason (:-}). What I am is 92 just a pigment of your imagination (for you have a very colorful 93 imagination...). Problems have arisen with my hardware (*serious* ones), 94 Steve is going to help tomorrow... don't expect any code updates to 95 BWLIST for a day or two at least. Things are getting hectic at this end. 96 But, hey, who cares, I'm just your imagination, right? 97 ++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++ 3/22/87 23:34 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 016=#0-4 03/23/1987 06:19 M#0 C#0 (17 Min) 10 Lines 98 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 99 you know, this is all quite confusing. is there still a way 100 to look beyond the door, at the OS per say? now i'm stuck 101 within the room behind the door rather than being able to 102 look at the room that hid behind that dreadful door. 103 Inkeeper, your help would be most appreciated -- i'm lost again. 104 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&& 105 JUST ME -- JUST ME -- JUST ME -- JUST ME -- JUST ME -- JUST ME -- JUST ME 106 TRY "GO 12" AND TELL ME: WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? 8^) 107 JUST ME -- JUST ME -- JUST ME -- check out the TIme, to -- JUST ME -- JUST ME 017=#0-4 03/23/1987 20:03 M#0 C#0 (14 Min) 21 Lines 108 *************************************************************** 109 Hmmm, seems there is some updating to do eh? I'll reset the time right now 110 (it is 18:10) and we'll see how badly it gets out of wack. The Sanyo never 111 was known for having very good time keeping. 112 Scarlet lion: no, there isn't anyway to see the room anymore, the universe 113 in which it was created has formed into the reality that you see. Of course 114 on special request we can create a temporary world that contains the 115 definition of this one. Hmmm, this disk drive access thing is going to be 116 a real pain. I think I will have to look into it to see if there is 117 anyway I can do something about it. 118 *************************** CISTOP MIKEY **************************** 119 P.S. A question, does this get included in the archives? and if so, 120 how do we label it? 121 ******************************************************************* 122 ***************** 123 Note the following problems: 124 go to line 2, and type "CH ** *" 125 replace should show the line being replaced. 126 I find myself typing "HE" expecting to get "here" but instead I get "help" 127 does anyone else have this problem? 128 ********************************* MIKEY *********** 018=#0-4 03/24/1987 01:24 M#0 C#0 (9 Min) 11 Lines 129 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 130 heavens no! don't include these initial observations into the archives! 131 i was a twit once, i don't need to be seen as one again.... if anyone 132 were to read this... 133 Mikey, thank you for clearing things up as to the nature of this 134 existance. i am well able to cope with the reality of it all... 135 rememer, i came along while trying to avoid reality, and see where it got 136 me? in some strange craft in an attemt to save the universe... from 137 itself. yes, i think i shall stick with reality! 138 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&& 139 or perhaps we could all get a bit carried away with creative writing? 019=#0-4 03/24/1987 20:53 M#0 C#0 (2 Min) 8 Lines 140 ************************************************** 141 In BW#1 the line numbers default to off on the incomming call. 142 Do we want them on or off? I myself always turn them on first thing, 143 But not everyone does. 144 Point 2, the LI command in BW#1 says how many lines there are 145 when it starts up. It doesn't say anything here. I guess that 146 could be considered a bug. 147 ********************* CISTOP MIKEY *************************** 020=#0-4 03/25/1987 03:24 M#0 C#0 (18 Min) 16 Lines 148 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 149 line numbers are an interesting case, i'm sure it's a matter of opinion 150 with each caller. persoanlly, i tend to leave them alone unless i must 151 look for where i left off... i don't leave markers and have tryed to 152 resort to memory, which isn't so keen when it comes to remembering a 153 three digit number with a two letter prefix that changes every time i look. 154 oh, and another point about the LIST command... i typo'd "LI8ST" only to 155 receive a listing starting from line 8. is the command parser looking only 156 for the first two characters, not caring whether there is a space between 157 the command itself and a variable that may follow? i typed in "LI90ST" to 158 receive the listing from line 90. 159 what you have here with bw2 aren't bugs, they're features that need some 160 more fine tuning... 161 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&& 162 bw2 says 03/25/87 -- my machine says 03/25/87 01:23 oh my! 163 (silly me) that was '03:40' -tsl 021=#0-4 03/25/1987 16:53 M#0 C#0 (3 Min) 15 Lines 164 tHIS IS Steve. 165 time given 16:53 when it is only 13:44. 166 167 The delay between lines is quite noticable here. Hmmm. We better get that 168 speeded up. Buffer problems according to Shawn. 169 170 171 Not much problem then, but sometimes.... snooze. 172 like the idea of a BW behind BW. Really interesting. The LI command 173 hould have the # of lines in the current drive added as per tsl's comment. 174 175 *%$#*%_*%@# <- the first lhomme border on the new BW! 176 177 PS Mikey I liked the innkeeper entry. I will try to write something doorish 178 before I go to SF. 022=#0-4 03/26/1987 02:37 M#0 C#0 (1 Min) 4 Lines 179 ************************************ 180 hmmm, it is now 10:47 pm wed, and the sanyo thinks it is 2:38am thr. 181 just a tad bit off i'd say.... 182 ******************* CISTOP MIKEY ************************ 023=#0-4 03/26/1987 06:10 M#0 C#0 (10 Min) 14 Lines 183 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 184 Okay, now that some free time has presented itself, I can work on source. 185 I don't understand what's going on with CH ** *, I suspect it may be a 186 side effect of the permission checking. 187 LIst can easily be modified to display # of lines. Both LI and PR need work 188 to eliminate the Deleted Lines at Bottom Bug, and I can do it then. 189 Regarding line numbers: I always turn them off when reading, and turn them 190 on only when I get to the bottom of the disk (so I can read what line number 191 I finished at). They tend to annoy me on a 40-col screen. :-} 192 Regarding line IO problem: I'm open for suggestions- procedure "outdisk" is 193 as simple as I could make it. Can anyone write a faster routine? 194 Holding lines in memory presents additional problems to be worked out, if 195 this is done. 196 +++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++ 3/26/87 at 4:30pm +++++++++++++++++++++ 024=#0-4 03/26/1987 08:41 M#0 C#0 (22 Min) 16 Lines 197 *************************************** 198 I put the list fix in here as a quick patch. What I did was to look at the 199 first number used, and if it was "1" or "0" (default) then I printed 200 the "lastline" variable before beginning the listing. 201 Also notice a slight change in how things come up here, I put in a 202 wait for "cr" when BWII first comes up just after loading the link files 203 but before going into the command procedure loop. I also did some 204 minor work on the INT14 stuff to improve the modem handling. 205 Routines that I have played with so far include: BWII (various things) 206 BWMISC (int14 and keychr), and of course BWLIST (adding the Lines msg). 207 The BWLIST isn't important, you are going to be digging into it anyway, 208 don't worry about that one. Oh yeah, I also changed "prnheader" to remove 209 the "usrname" portion of the header since we decided not to have that 210 in the header since it would take too long to go to the disk and search 211 out the name from the usr.log file. 212 ************************ CISTOP MIKEY *********************************** 025=#0-4 03/26/1987 12:31 M#0 C#0 (14 Min) 23 Lines 213 GEE, just a few bugs... LEVEL 1 (while *at* level 1) responds LEVEL 4 ACTIVE. 214 I'm entering this at level 0.... 215 test 216 217 test 218 test 219 test 220 test 221 test 222 There seems to be a slight bug in BYE also. Several times, I've typed BYE and 223 started to type the ^C's to get back to BW I only to find myself back at the 224 BW II "Command: " prompt... Any ideas on this? 225 Shawn: re the every six lines delay, I'll bet that it is due to the fact that 226 six lines @ 82 (83?) char per line = 498.. or just about 1 sector... 227 The @$%%#% software isn't writing to disk til it has a full buffer! If there is 228 a way to force *true* random access to files, then we can just force a write 229 ept that that is *way* too slow) <sigh> 230 What on *earth* is going on? I'm losing chars at the start of almost every line 231 unless I pause after the cr?!? (I could understand it if it was the disk access 232 but that shouldn't happen this often!) (dare I suggest sending <cr><^S> at the 233 end of the line and then <^Q> at the start of the line read routine?) 234 That might also make uploads easier for those who can use XON/XOFF... 235 ____03/26/87__________Leonard_JD 2446881.7638_________22:19:54_PST_________ 026=#0-4 03/26/1987 16:39 M#0 C#0 (5 Min) 6 Lines 236 +++++++++++++++++++++++ 237 Isn't there a flush() procedure in Turbo? I have no documentation. Someone 238 please look this up. 239 It looks cleaner, Mike. See my message on Lem about what's going on. 240 We'll see if flushing works well enough, and, if not, try array tricks. 241 +++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch (Mad Ibm Programmer :-}) ++++++++++++++++++++ 027=#0-4 03/27/1987 08:03 M#0 C#0 (3 Min) 6 Lines 242 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 243 an mip rather than the notorious mcp? the day has come! 244 the world may end now, we are only able to tolerate so much in the way 245 of technological development, after all. 246 <sigh> the TImes, they are a changin'.... 247 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&& 028=#0-4 03/27/1987 09:22 M#0 C#0 (9 Min) 10 Lines 248 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 249 All: The bugs are fixed! Now, how do I get the sources to you? My XT does 250 not have a modem, so I can't upload... seems only direct disk exchange will 251 work. Would the PCS social be soon enough, or would you like them sooner? 252 Harumph, it looks like we'll get this thing up more nearly on *my* birthday, 253 rather than BW's. Nearly 3 years now I have lurked and written here. 254 tsl: Yes, the times are changing, and my need for greater computing power 255 caused me to seek out a computer with greater abilities. The 64 has been 256 a terminal-only machine for about nine months now. 257 +++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++ March 27, 1987 at 5:04pm ++++++++++++++++ 029=#0-4 03/27/1987 13:04 M#0 C#0 (1 Min) 3 Lines 258 Milchar: could I interest you in a dumb 300 baud modem? 259 (I'm keeping the 'smart' one with the non-hayes command set...) 260 ____03/27/87__________Leonard_JD 2446882.6798_________20:19:01_PST_________ 030=#0-4 03/29/1987 01:59 M#0 C#0 (14 Min) 16 Lines 261 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 262 Leonard: Maybe. I'm looking into some 300/1200 ones someone else is offering 263 that Dan Sweet told me about. Right now I could care less about Hayes 264 compatiblity, I just want up/download ability and (hopefully) 1200 baud. 265 I'll do without auto-dial and auto-answer if need be. 266 Mike: I have modified BWLIST, BWCMD, BWII, and BWMISC. 267 BWLIST: I think my copy can completely replace yours. A new function, 268 oktolist(), has been tacked on at the top and is used by PR and LI. 269 BWCMD: Some cosmetic changes, and LEVEl asks for a password to switch from 270 level 0 to 4. No password is required to switch back. 271 BWMISC: Printheader modified as it is here. A new function, Getpass(), has 272 been added. The status line has the current level number included. 273 BWII: Just got rid of 'username' and related stuff. 274 Now, hopefully a smooth merge of our work is possible. I have mine backed up 275 and will bring a copy to the social on Thursday. 276 +++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++ 3/29/87 at 12:41am +++++++++++++++ 031=#0-4 03/29/1987 14:01 M#0 C#0 (10 Min) 22 Lines 277 ******************************************************* 278 I'll bring listings of what I have that way we can compare notes in 279 real time. I still need to make some changes to allow for the modem control 280 A lot of it is already in there, but it still needs some work. 281 One problem I have to work on is the DTR/RTS signal control which the 282 Sanyo likes to manipulate everytime it accesses the disk drives. 283 I know approximately where it is, so I should be able to patch it out without 284 too much trouble. The other thing I want to look into is improving the 285 disk drive access time. The problem is that it goes out and gets a sector, and 286 by the time it gets done printing that sector the disk drives have shut down 287 so the system has to turn them back on and wait for them to come up to speed 288 thus the big slow down. The big problem is that there is hardware limitations 289 involved as they use the head select line from the disk controller to turn 290 the drive motor on so when the disk controller decides it is time to unload 291 the head the drive gets turned off. What I want to do is figure out how 292 to leave the disk running all the time while on line, thus not needing 293 the powerup delay sort of like BW currently works. I don't know if it is 294 possible, but I want to at least look into it. 295 ************************* CISTOP MIKEY ***************************** 296 To all: please use the BYE command to log off rather than the OFF command 297 it will automaticcally dump you back to BWMS and close the system here properly 298 OFF leaevs the system here running still. 032=#0-4 03/29/1987 17:24 M#0 C#0 (3 Min) 3 Lines 299 Sorry about that, but you might check the code for OFF. Once I typed it, I 300 couldn't get back *on*! It appeared to ignore *everything* I typed. 301 ____03/29/87__________Leonard_JD 2446884.4349_________14:26:15_PST_________ 033=#0-4 03/29/1987 20:34 M#0 C#0 (4 Min) 5 Lines 302 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 303 pardons for still another question, is there another level in here other 304 than levels 0 and 4? after seeing reference to the LEVEl command, i tried 305 it, and lo! headers, i see headers! now i'm off to test my memory further. 306 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&& 034=#0-4 03/29/1987 22:59 M#0 C#0 (5 Min) 8 Lines 307 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 308 tsl: Not yet. Only levels 0 and 4 are implemented. The other levels have 309 meanings, but the code has not evolved to a high enough evolutionary state to 310 allow their use. Eventually, they will be used (when the full definition of 311 BWII comes online). 312 all: I have something "doorish" written here, I shall bring copy to the meeting 313 to get the thoughts moving in that direction. 314 +++++++++++++++++++++++ Milchar ++++++++++++++ March 29, 1987 at 7:33pm ++++++ 035=#0-4 03/30/1987 04:28 M#0 C#0 (11 Min) 5 Lines 315 Gee, the clock is 20 hours slow... can a Sanyo use a "zero-slot clock" 316 board such are sold for the IBM? 317 ____03/30/87__________Leonard_JD 2446884.8518_________00:26:37_PST_________ 318 ps, try deleting the last line of your entry while at level 0. Then go up a 319 few lines and list it.... (luckily ^C will get you out of the loop!) 036=#0-4 03/30/1987 19:19 M#0 C#0 (0 Min) 1 Lines 320 +++++++ That bug is why Mikey needs my copy of BWLIST... ++++++ Milch 037=#0-4 04/01/1987 04:14 M#0 C#0 (6 Min) 12 Lines 321 As I remember, the "zero slot clock" still uses a slot, but attaches 322 itself in such a way that it leaves the slot open for another card. 323 As such no, the Sanyo can't use it because it doesn't have any slots 324 to attach to. I'm not sure how to handle that particular problem 325 since it involves the sanyo internal timing. There are some adapter 326 boards that you can buy for the Sanyo that give it a better clock, 327 but that costs money. Sigh.... 328 Milch: did you fix Replace so that it displays the line you are replacing 329 before actually doing same as per current BW? 330 It is a bit unnerving not knowing if you are replacing the line 331 you think you are replacing. 332 *********************** CISTOP MIKEY ********************** 038=#0-4 04/01/1987 05:06 M#0 C#0 (4 Min) 8 Lines 333 I've seen ads for at least one 'zero-slot clock' that was a *small* board that 334 you plugged the 8088 into and then plugged into the 8088 socket. If you wish, 335 I'll check on price and other details. If it's in the <$30 range, it could 336 probably be thrown in with the modem purchase. 337 ng that, maybe something hooked up to a second serial port (as I recall, you 338 used to sell com2 boards for the Sanyo?) 339 ____03/31/87__________Leonard_JD 2446886.6844_________20:25:32_PST_________ 340 Milchar: check oo for Net activity... 039=#0-4 04/01/1987 09:09 M#0 C#0 (19 Min) 17 Lines 341 *************************************** 342 No, the Sanyo does not have a com2 port. It only has a com1 port which 343 is an extra cost option. (and is what I was selling). 344 Disk buffering problems. I looked into it, and it doesn't look very 345 promising from a stand point of rewriting the drivers. There are some 346 hardware limitations. I think the best approach would be to do it in buffers 347 or a ram disk and wait to do the updates until after they hangup. 348 Any ideas? This could possibly make coding easier since we wouldn't have 349 to load everthing into memory, only update the things that have changed. 350 It is possible to ugrade the Sanyo to 512K, though it isn't easy, and 351 does require a patched DOS to do so. A better approach is to buy a 352 video board that has the extra memory on board. An even better approach 353 is to get a "real" PC clone.... 354 ************************ CISTOP MIKEY **************************** 355 P.S. The is a add on board for the Sanyo for $200 that adds up to 768k of 356 memory to the system, has a built in battery backup clock. If I had $200 357 to throw away I would consider getting it. 040=#0-4 04/01/1987 12:50 M#0 C#0 (8 Min) 13 Lines 358 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 359 <sigh> it's so good too see so much activity around here! it's nice 360 to know things are getting done and that the system is really getting 361 a work out. 362 Cistop; your message on drive a (in front of the door) certainly made 363 me stop to think for a moment. i'm sure that most readers with any 364 form of conscience for the other fellow also took pause. not often 365 do we find such frank expressions of "that's the way things are, joe." 366 i know it must sound rather shallow to ask, but is there anything any 367 of us might be able to do to offer you help to ease these rough times? 368 all the rest of you hard working programmer types; keep it going! 369 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& the scarlet lion &&&&&&& 370 041=#0-4 04/02/1987 07:31 M#0 C#0 (8 Min) 30 Lines 371 I love it! It just told me 629 lines remaining... (funny, the disk doesn't 372 *look* empty.) 373 Milchar: following is a revised version of the data in the msg on Lem. 374 2 lines --> l5 -e text code 375 You know what *I* really hate? I hate it when I staple my lip to an 376 anvil and throw it off the top of a 3 story building. 377 378 code --> l5 -d code text2 379 KEWWJ HCKMY WWNHC WMAPW HHAJI DUB@\ SELEV FX^I@ MAPWH YI_D@ PDRHC HLEZF JHCIN 380 PPGNZ CEMXP DRHCS NQPW@ [CEDA VWRHC LMEXB @]COD APV\B SAMY[ FR[A@ LEWFH HCTMA 381 YF^]Y @MEZB @[[FL XPGHZ CEDAZ F^\A@ M]SB@ XI@FL PGF]C ONI\R @XSUM EVFHZ 382 383 code (l5.ba output) 384 KEWWK VKKMY WWOVK WMAPW IVIJI DUMR\ SELEV FX^NY MAPWH YI_[G LTSVK HLEZF KVKIN 385 SLWNZ CEM[L TSVKS NQPW@ [CE[E VWSVK LMEXM R]CO[ EPV\B SAMY[ FR[FY LEWFI VKTMA 386 YF^]^ YMEZM R[[FL [LWHZ CE[EZ F^\FY M]SMR XNYFO LWF]C ONI\] RXSUM EVFHZ KNL\W 387 388 output --> (l5.c --> l5.c) 389 You know what *I* really hate? I hate it when I staple my lip to an 390 anvil and throw it off the top of a 3 story bu 391 392 output --> (l5.c --> l5.ba) 393 You know what *I* really hate? I hate it when I staple my lip to an 394 anvil and throw it off the top of a 3 story buildh 395 396 I am totally at a loss for an explanation of why the cipher text is different 397 aside from the missing group. I'm even more confused by the fact that it 398 decodes ok! Apparently, L5 doesn't do what I thought it did! 399 ____04/01/87__________Leonard_JD 2446887.6811_________20:20:54_PST_________ 400 ps to Mike: $200 for the board is cheaper than a pc clone! 042=#0-4 04/01/1987 21:35 M#0 C#0 (11 Min) 14 Lines 401 ************************ 402 That depends on how you look at it. There is value in the Sanyo, and you 403 have to look at that as well. Is it worth it to put additional money 404 into the machine and *still* not have a fully compatible computer, 405 or is it cheaper (or at least a reasonable break even) to sell the Sanyo 406 for what can be gotten out of it and use the money to buy a *real* clone. 407 If I can get $400-$500 for the Sanyo I can use it towards the clone 408 purchase. If you add the $200 that would also be spent on the adapter 409 board then we have $600-$700 purchasing power towards a real clone. 410 I would sell the Sanyo except that I can currently get more use out 411 of it than the $400-$500 I could get out of it, and I don't have the 412 additional money to offset the price differential.I would keep one 413 Sanyo anyway since I need it to support the CL+'s that are out there. 414 ****************************** CM ****************************** 043=#0-4 04/01/1987 22:32 M#0 C#0 (7 Min) 13 Lines 415 tsl: Thanks for the concern. But life goes on and so do I. 416 But then I always did run on and on and on and on and on and o...... 417 ************************************************************ 418 Milch: The DTR glitching I can fix so we can use a modem on the beast. 419 The lost data because of the disk drive access time is another matter. 420 The Sanyo just plain has a flakey disk drive settup. I could improve 421 it a bit by rewritting the disk drive routines, but that would only 422 drop the time down from 2 seconds to 1 second or so. It still is a 423 pain, and that would be a lot of rewritting code for that. It also 424 requires some hardware changes as the 2 second delay is built into 425 the hardware. The best approach I think would be a RAM disk, but 426 there isn't any money for the add on memory... sigh..... 427 ********************************* 044=#0-4 04/01/1987 23:23 M#0 C#0 (16 Min) 19 Lines 428 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 429 Mikey: Ooops. Knew I forgot something; RE does not echo the line to be 430 replaced. I can fix that... but L'homme has already got a copy of what I 431 have now. *sigh*. 432 Re: drive access, anyone know what the address is for the floppy controller? 433 There's gotta be a bit or two we could twiddle... but that's messy. How 434 much extra memory do you have in the Sanyo? Maybe we could make do with 435 a small ramdisk, and use it for temporaries... 436 Re: level 5, yah, I know, I've seen the problem, and worked on it a little. 437 Seems that what *I* want to do and what C thinks are slightly different, 438 especially when EOF occurs. I should have a fix for it by next week. Maybe 439 I can scrouge up a cheap copy of a C compiler for the XT... 440 I'll write to bwdt when the revised source is available at 441 percival in my login directory. 442 Okay, should have fixed copy of the sources for you tomorrow... what an 443 important meet this will be. Lots of things on the agenda- 444 Harumph. Looks desolate up front. A bit of doorish magic should stir things 445 up. 446 +++++++++++ Milch ++++++++ April 1, 1987 at 11:pm ++++ 3 more days +++++ 045=#0-4 04/04/1987 03:56 M#0 C#0 (2 Min) 3 Lines 447 So, Mike, how's the work coming? Is it coming at all? Getting anywhere with 448 Baud detect? Hello? 449 +++++++++++ Milch +++++++++ April 3, 1987 at 10:39pm +++ 1 hour, 21 minutes ++ 450 Actaully I haven't gotten anywhere at all on it yet, I was too zonked last 451 night to get anything done. Things at work have taken a turn to making 452 life more difficult. I was switched to working with MG on the project he was 453 working on because the dead line got moved up to the first of May. So they 454 are throwing another programmer at it to try to get it finished. Given 455 that there is $2 million riding on the deal, and that translates to profit 456 share, I have an interest in it getting out myself. 457 I'm going to try to get a little work done on it this weekend, but I also 458 have to read up on the instrument that I will be programming (since I don't 459 know how it even works yet, let alone operate the thing), in addition to 460 having to get an update to CL+ out this weekend as well (a 50 unit sale 461 rides on that one). Can you say "pressure".... I knew you couldn't :-)-: 462 ************************ CISTOP MIKEY **********************************