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21 Looking down at the cozy valley below, it seemed very
22 familiar. I wonder why that should be, for I have not to my
23 recollection been in this land before. Ah well, no matter.
24 I notice a bit of smoke lazily curling up from an old
25 building sitting beside a small stream that twinkled and
26 glittered in the warm afternoon sun. Hmm, habitation. Perhaps
27 I can find lodging there for a bit. Taking my rumpled hat off
28 to let the gentle breeze cool me off a bit, I wipe the
29 accumulated dust and perspiration from my brow. Then donning it
30 once more, I set off towards the tell-tale column of smoke.
31 Soon the sparse scraggly growth has been replaced by
32 towering firs and majestic oak, and I find myself deep within a
33 dark forest that closes in over my head. No longer able to see
34 the gray smoke rising like a twisted steel column, I must rely
35 on my own innate sense of direction to guide me.
36 I find myself in a dilemma however as the forest becomes
37 nearly impassible as it snatches at me leaving sticky trails
38 across my skin and brambles in clothes. I must turn to the
39 north where it does not grow so thick and I will have a better
40 chance of finding a path. I only hope I don't lose my way
41 completely.
42 Finally after a long and tedious trek, I come upon a small
43 stream winding through the forest heading west. Ah ha, at
44 last, I do believe that this is the stream I observed passing
45 near the building, all I need do is follow it now, and I should
46 find it.
47 Following along side of the stream, I find the going much
48 easier then had been through the forest. Near an outcroping of
49 rock I see some footprints. So!, someone else has followed
50 this trail too. Near each right foot is a small depression
51 probably made by a walking stick. Perhaps I will meet this
52 individual, it is always nice to meet a fellow traveler.
53 Then, up ahead, a small foot bridge. At last a real road!
54 Climbing up the crumbling bank, I reach the end of the well
55 worn span, and looking across I see my destination, the
56 building with the smoke ever rising from the stone chimney.
57 Setting out across the bridge, I head towards the building. As
58 I approach, I see that it is a Inn. So, Indeed I will be able
59 to obtain lodging here. A pleasent prospect to be sure.
60 Nearing the Inn, I spy a Rowan tree by the entrance. Very odd,
61 that is definitely not a normal tree to encounter in these
62 parts, someone obviously has planted it here. I wonder who has
63 done this and what their purpose for doing so was. Perhaps
64 someone at this Inn will know of its story.
65 Looking up at the sign, I see the name of this meager
66 establishment; 'Backwater Inn', Hmm, suitable name that's for
67 sure. Stepping up to the entrance, I grasp the worn brass knob
68 and open the door. I know this place, I am sure of it, I just
69 don't know from where. Very strange.
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75 0707070707070707070707070707070707070 The 15th of July, Year of our Lord, 1984, at 11:06 and 42 seconds, in the PM 0707
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78 Alex:I too wish to thank you and your wife for being such fine hosts for the
79 Risk Game. It was very enjoyable, and I too think our group proved to
80 mesh quite well considering this is the first time we had risked playing
81 together. Thank you also for the Nuclear Risk instructions. I was going
82 to give you a call and ask for a file xfer, but you have saved me the
83 trouble. I have already interested some other riskers in the option.
84 I have not found the white pieces yet, but I will keep on looking. One
85 question...is the extra path to Aussie land necessary. What have you
86 found?
87 Anti-Nuke Protesters: In our game of Nuclear Risk, it was proven that the
88 dominating force doesn't necessarily need to be the one using the
89 his or her nuclear resource. Just let the other little countries use
90 their weapons to destroy each other, and then sweep onward to total
91 global domination. So there will be a few dirty sections on the globe,
92 but hey, that's where you can send the criminals! Remember, the only
93 good nuke is a nuke heading to your enemy's silo site.
94 Mikey:We have 3/5ths of the money in one location. Well...I tried... I'll
95 give you a call at US D. when I have the whole amount.
96 Rocky: Are you out there???
97 &)%$*)%*$#)%$#*%)$#%$#*% L'homme sans parity - La victoire est doux! *)#%*@)%*@
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99 Alex I'd like to add my thanks for the hosting of the Risk game. Sorry
100 I couldn't stay for the nuclear version. Thanks also for the rules you
101 posted. I hard copied them and will stick them in with one of my sets.
102 *********************************** Whisper *****************************
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104 Hunter sat quietly in the comfortable chair back of McKanes desk. It had been
105 8 hours now and he expected that soon the office crew would start arriving,
106 followed not too much later he hoped by McKane himself. It would be nice to
107 see the guy again. It had been ten years since he and McKane had broken
108 out of that Albanian jail and skipped the country carrying twenty million
109 in cash. He wondered whether McKane had any WORK that he wanted done.
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112 The piper was sitting alone at a table off to one side of the common room.
113 He had disassembled his pipes on the table, and had been working for some time
114 around a nearly full mug of the inn's best ale. Intent on wrapping hempen
115 cord around the base of one of his drones, he nearly knoked the mug over with
116 a move of his arm, muttered something quietly under his breath, and paused for
117 a moment. He quickly drank the ale in the mug, then began assembling his pipes.
118 Just as he finished, the door began to open -- the person entering was
119 greeted by the painful sound of the untuned pipes. Apologetically, the pipr
120 quickly tuned the drones, than swung into a few sprightly dance tunes to
121 welcome another stranger.
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124 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
125 I heard some mention of a printout of the BW archives--Is this still a
126 viable option? If so, would be interested in contributing $ toward that
127 end. I have a printout of BW everyday since May 26, with only one
128 exception. Am VERY interested in getting a printout prior to May 26.
129 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Duffy $$$$$$
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131 When I decided to make my relationships with young
132 boys open to discussion I anticipated that you'd respond the
133 way you did...with anger, verbal abuse, and denial. I had
134 hoped to receive at least one intelligent response but was
135 disappointed.
136 Apparently you people lack the sophistication to discuss
137 complex issues intelligently. None-the-less, I promised I'd
138 respond and I will.
139 Alex - What do you see as the alternative to
140 "hypocritically facing society under a facade of normalacy"
141 when honesty creates the kinds of abuse I've received at
142 Backwater? I am what I am. I can admit it and be persecuted
143 or keep quiet and live my life. What would you do in my shoes?
144 It's interesting that the wording of the abuse I've
145 received here is EXACTLY the same as that used against
146 homosexuals ten years ago. Homosexuality is now accepted
147 because the gay community became organized, politicized, and
148 learned the techniques for "educating" the public.
149 The reason adult/child love is still hated, as homosexual
150 love once was, is because we haven't come out of the closet in
151 enough numbers to have an impact. If, as the experts say, one
152 in four children has had sexual contact with an adult then
153 there must be an awful lot of us.
154 Someday, learning from the experience of the homosexuals,
155 we will come out in enough force to take our stand. Then we
156 will "educate" you so well that you will tolerate us as you
157 now tolerate those you once hated as "fags".
158 As to your assumptions about the "natural tenents of
159 sexual development", you don't know what your talking about.
160 You imply that you have scientific evidence that your way is
161 the right way, but in fact no such evidence exists. If I am
162 wrong, produce it.
163 I agree that "if it feels good, do it" is the worst
164 rationalization for perversity around. However, I neither said
165 or implied that. You made it up, then quoted me as saying it.
166 This leads me to believe that you are either intellectually
167 unsophisticated or immature.
168 GUEST - Where did you "study the habits of pedophiles",
169 who did you study under, and why? Perhaps we have more in
170 common than you admit.
171 Does it give you a sense of superiority to tack the
172 clinical terminology of pedophilia on me? Using clinical
173 jargon to label alternative lifestyles as sick is a strategy
174 that was used very effectively to persecute homosexuals.
175 Oddly enough, when homosexuals developed political clout
176 the American Psychiatric Association suddenly discovered that
177 they weren't sick at all. That it was all a big misunder-
178 standing and that it was an alternative lifestyle after all.
179 The same will eventually be true for "pedophiles".
180 Who knows, maybe someday we'll even have a pedophile
181 pride day, complete with parade and political speeches.
182 Had you "studied pedophilia" more closely you wouldn't
183 find it unusual we're attracted to where the boys are. Boy
184 Scout camps, video archades, church groups, are all good
185 places to make friends.
186 Just to set the record straight. I didn't say my boys
187 initiated the relationship. I said that once the relationship
188 was going they initiated sex. It's a difference you would have
189 caught if you were paying more attention to my words and less
190 to your emotions.
191 TO EVERYONE - OK gang, you guys are always bitching
192 because there's never a good debate. Well, you wouldn't know
193 a good debate if it smacked you in the face.
194 You want your discussions safe, and clean, and wholesome.
195 You want pat answers and easy solutions to problems you don't
196 begin to understand. You want to pontificate, to be self
197 righteous, to show off your fancy educations so long as no one
198 requires you to THINK.
199 Well that's not good enough. This is a tough issue that
200 requires intelligence, compassion, understanding, and clear
201 thinking...qualities you haven't shown so far.
202 Since this is an issue that hasn't hit the popular press
203 you can't fall back on plagarizing the editorial page of the
204 Oregonian. This one will require some original thought,
205 that's assuming, of course, that your fancy educations haven't
206 totally destroyed your ability to think.
207
208 Frank
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212 The piper stopped playing for a few moments, thought briefly,
213 then decided to risk a reply.
214 "Frank -- I appreciate your attempting to initiate a dialog. However,
215 I find it hard to sympathize with your position. Perhaps I am conditioned
216 by my social background such that I have difficulty in relating to
217 alternative life styles, but feel that I must point out several things.
218 (1) Pedophilia is illegal. If you feel that that illegality is unjust,
219 then you can emulate Thoreau and say from the comfort of a cell,
220 "the place for a just man is in prison."
221 (2) You can attempt to change those laws that you feel are unjust. If
222 indeed, this is your aim -- it is laudable, but I will oppose you
223 with every means that I have available.
224 (3) You can suppress those impulses that society finds unlawful.
225 (4) You can indulge with the concomittant possibility of being caught.
226
227 You must make your own decisions -- neither I nor anyone else will
228 make them for you. I can only make my decisions as to my reaction if
229 your actions impinge upon my life. If they do -- I then must make a
230 moral decision as to my actions. Not having faced the problem, I cannot
231 tell you how I would react if you approached one of my children.
232 I suspect that the reaction would not be pacific, however. By extension,
233 I would oppose changing the laws to make your actions legal. However,
234 my reactions to your activity as they relate to my children would be
235 apart from, although taking into account, existing laws.
236 On the same vein, should you murder one of my children (another act
237 regarded with disdain by our society that I have considered) my reaction
238 would be -- perhaps not swift -- but would preclude the repition of
239 that act. I would kill you in cold blood. I will give some thought to
240 my reactions to your other actions.
241 --the piper
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245 FRANK: using the 'acceptance' of homosexuality as a basis for the acceptance
246 of your perversion is like comparing feces with shit.
247 'Normal', you say? From an evolutionary standpoint, both homosexuality
248 and pedophilia (since the word has already been introduced) are
249 counter-productive. Nature doesn't stay with counter-productive experiments
250 Much as homosexuality disgusts me, what you engage in is worse. At least
251 homosexuality is between consenting adults, whose psyches have already
252 been formed. Children, on the other hand, are still learning and being
253 shaped. Your type of interaction can have nothing but a detrimental affect
254 on their minds. To paraphrase what piper said, if I catch you messing
255 with my children I'll blow your nuts off and face the music with a smile.
256 P.S. I myself prefer the fanstasy/adventure aspect of Backwater to this
257 futile arguing.
258 Dante
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261 SHADY CREEK OFFICIAL BOARD OF THE 1984 OLYMPICS HAM CUTTER RULES OVER ALL
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263
264 HEY FRANK, DO YOU LIKE 16 YEAR OLDS? I DO.
265 I can't wait!
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267 SHADY CREEK OFFICIAL BOARD OF THE 1984 OLYMPICS HAM CUTTER RULES OVER ALL
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270 Riskers,
271 The pleasure was all ours..... even my wife thought we were well
272 behaved ....( no easy feat for a Risk game in her eyes ) ...The conversation
273 was good, the synergy better and the company superb...my complements to you.
274 We must repeat this in the near future.
275 Whisper,
276 Too bad you had to leave before the second game. You might of been
277 able to contain L'homme....lord knows I was no threat...just your basic
278 glowing cinder...after the first move...compements of MiG - The Destroyer.
279 L'homme,
280 The second path to Australia is not required..but I have found that
281 it is more than probable that the crossover points ( Iceland-Greenland ,
282 Kamchatka-Alaska etc. ) will get hit...and even more probable that Siam or
283 Indonesia will bear the brunt of some attack .. so to avoid the mexican
284 standoff that develops from such an attack the second path was made.
285 In the worst case ( under current rules ) if Siam was took two Nukes nobody
286 would be able to cross....so to avoid draws...the second path was made.
287 As for Four and Five, current indications place them out of postition
288 but keep trying.....you only have 50$ to go.....by the way whats connected
289 to the other end of that number ?...I have not tried it yet ?
290 ......A small 10 character key...eh...
291
292 Frank - reply comming later...
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294 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
295 Now that I have my favorite modem back, I can once again contribute.
296 Frank:An immeadiate reply is all but impossible, let me research and get
297 back to the subject at hand.
298 MiG
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301 Frank: I declined responding to you earlier, because I knew that the
302 others could answer with a lot more rationality than I could. But since
303 you think we are all wrong simply because we do not agree with you, I've
304 decided to give you my opinions.
305 YOU ARE SICK, AND SHOULD BE PUT AWAY FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!
306
307 I apologise to the others for my outburst.
308 Fast Fred BSAL
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310 ---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/GUEST/---/---/---/---/---/---/--
311 FRANK: THE GIST OF WHAT I WAS SAYING TO YOU IS THAT I DO OT BELIEVE YOU ARE
312 FOR REAL. IF, HOWEVER, YOU ARE, THEN YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD BE
313 LOCKED UP (?AGAIN?) NOT FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, BUT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE
314 INNOCENT CHILDREN WHOSE LIVES YOU MIGHT WRECK, WHILE NOT CARING ABOUT ANYTHI
315 NG EXCEPT SATISFYING YOUR SICK NEEDS. THIS ABSURD IDEA OF A PEDS PRIDE, IS
316 AS SICK AS A "NAZI PRIDE" WEEK. (A NUMBER OF NAZIS WERE PEDOS). IT WILL NEVE
317 R HAPPEN. WHERE THE BOYS ARE- IS FOR CONNIE FRANCIS, NOT YOU. I HAVE THREE
318 SUGGESIONS FOR YOU. MAKE THAT FOUR. ONE: FIND A WAY TO GET YOURSELF A JOB AS
319 A GUARD IN A TURKISH PRISON. 2: CALL THE SUNDAY TRADER. ( THE OTHER SIDE,
320 653-2172. THERES A COUPLE PEOPLE THERE I THINK YOU'D FIT IN WITH(ONE IN PART
321 ICULAR HAS A DOG---). 3. REMEMBER THAT SOONER OR LATER YOU'RE GOING TO GET
322 CAUGHT. THE N.O.W. IN CO-OPERATION WITH THE FBI HAS HIRED A GROUP OF MIDGETS
323 AS DECOYS, SO WATCH OUT. 4: REMEMBER THAT IF I EVER CATCH YOU NEAR MY KIDS,
324 I'LL OPERATE ON YOU, AND THAT WILL BE THE END OF THE PROBLEM.---/---/---/---
325 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
326 I haven't been on BW for quite a while. This Frank character seems to
327 have ruffled everyone.
328 Frank: I don't accept homosexuals. I feel that homosexuality IS a mental
329 disorder. I recently spent some time with a relative who lives in Kuwait
330 and we disussed at length the subject from an Arabic perspective.
331 He said that whenever a man is pushed to be overly macho, mental
332 problems arise. The female portion of a man feels suppressed and tries to
333 express its(her)self in homosexualtity. The Kuwaiti's used to have trouble
334 with homosexuality. It is now illegal.
335 Homosexuality is a mental disorder caused by society's pressures
336 put on a man. Pedophilia occurs in someone whose mind has really become
337 warped. Pressures and problems with relationships and jobs may leave a
338 person longing for his days of childhood. Perhaps a pedophilia's mind
339 has become warped to the place where sexual intimicy with children helps
340 to fill this void.
341 The Ninja -- on the warpath
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345 Frank - I too will sing a melody with a smile if you get your nuts
346 blown off.
347 Ninja - Did you say you have been in hawii? Lucky guy! Why didn't
348 you send the Inn some post cards.
349 Cutter
350 John - Come to think of it, you are worse than that Frank fellow at
351 the top of this scroll somewhere. You sick, demented, Snotty
352 nosed Todie!
353 All - How long do you have to be a guest before you can obtain
354 membership? Hopefully not a year or so like others.
355
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358 Alex:Did you crack the code? Impossible! Impossible I say! No one could
359 accomplish such a feat. Please explain your last message to the character
360 named L'homme. What did you mean in the last paragraph? The NET is
361 astounded!
362 0707070707070707070707 July 16th, Year of our Lord, 1984, at 6:30PM and
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365 Frank:stick around, it may be a few days.
366 NET7:he can, oh yes he can. The code that the net is currently using is some
367 what vulnerable. t appears that I was wrong and perhaps we should have let
368 NET1 talk for about 10 more miniuts, well, how about 5 more miniuts?
369 Well all, Le Nerd is slowly going under entropy I.E. Michael hasn't writen
370 a single line of code the last 2 days.
371 That does not bother me .5 as much as the fact that my ex-wife has returned
372 from washington D.C. and is currently partying with Michael,2 of my best
373 female friends and the people who grow my dope. I am somewhat wondering what
374 will become of this...
375 Oh yes, I lost my job on friday also...
376 One somewhat preturbed,
377 Man in Gray
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384 Frank - I usually try not to answer any of these provococations, because I
385 prefer the fantasy aspect of this board, and I hope that I no one answers to
386 your outbursts, you will away. No such lucj in your case, so I must say my
387 ten cents worth.
388 I, being of an inbetween age ( know the cat is out of the bag ), I have
389 no children to protect, yet I am by no means a child, at least by my
390 perspective. Yet, I would react quite viiolently to any actions against
391 my children, provided I had any. Furthermore, I am glad that you have not
392 altered my personality by contact in my younger years ( I happen to like
393 the way I am now ). You may be taking satisfaction in our threats, but
394 you must realize that they are not in vain, and whether or not our actions
395 would be illegal ( as yours certainly are ) , we would almost certainly
396 be doing society in general a favor with your extermination. I cannot
397 accept a " alternate lifestyle " that may harm this countries youth, which
398 are our greatest resource. Do yourself, and moreover the children a good
399 turn by seeking profesional help...
400 To all - you may now start guessing my age.
401 Tally ho(e)! Morby
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404 Frank: You say that 1 in 4 children have had a sexual experience with an
405 adult. It seemed to me that you were using that in a way to justify your
406 sexual orientation. I tend to believe that you may be reasonably accurate
407 in your estimate (lacking any written statistics I will at least accept
408 it as a working parameter). I know several people who were involved in
409 one form or another of child/adult sex. Without exception this experience
410 has warped their ability to engage in any form of normal relationships
411 with their peers. All of them are struggling with emotional disabilities
412 as a result of being subjected to this kind of relationship in their
413 formative years. Given that this is true. And I can only judge by the
414 results I have heard about. I feel that you are ignoring the effect you
415 have on these childrens future. If this does not bother you then regardless
416 of what your orientation is, I would like to see you committed to some
417 place where you can receive appropriate mental counseling. In other words
418 your sexual orientation doesn't bother me its what you do to others that
419 will have a lasting bad effect on their minds that bothers me.
420 ***************************************** THE LAZY ONE ******************
421 P.S. No quote tonight I feel too strongly about what I am saying.
422 *********************************************************************
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424 General comments:
425 Lord Morby: WE couldn't give a crap how old you are. Mental age is the pointer
426 we like to use anyway.
427 Frank: Who says society has accepted homosexuals? I guess you have missed all
428 the occurances of fag bashing listed in several big city newspapers, or the
429 comments from people who are asked their opinion on the subject. Their
430 answers usually revolve around death or dismemberent. As to your problem, you
431 can see the general consensus of opinion. Not a pretty sight? Well neither
432 are you. It's debate we want, not sickness, not perversness, and certainly
433 not you!
434 MIG:As young as you are and you already have an ex-wife? What goes on here?
435 But if this michael is running around with 3 women, and people who grow dope,
436 I can certainly understand why he hasn't done much coding lately.
437
438 anon 1984
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441
442 Morby, This system does not revolve around you. First you want
443 sympathy because you were going away, then becuase you were
444 back. And then you wanted everybody to guess who you were
445 because you kept repeating your messages and wouldn't leave
446 your name, and now, now you want everyone to guess your age.
447 WHO CARES comes to mind right of the bat, and not to mention
448 WHY? Why do you want everyone to recognize that you, and
449 say "what a GREAT guy, he's somebody! WOW!" and much more
450 than that. Also, why do you think you can give everybody
451 advise on whatever subjact you see fit! Who do you think you
452 are, GOD? Not quite!
453
454 I don't know if I'm speaking for everybody, but I sure am
455 representing myself!
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457 ./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'Pessimistic./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'
458 One more thing, if you have not figured out who this is
459 this moght clear things up. At least leave something
460 for me to do that is not imposed on by others, like my
461 writing, programing.
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464 THIS PERSON, 'GUEST' HAS THE RIGHT IDEA. I'D BET A BUCKET OF SUDS THIS FRANK
465 CHARACTER IS SITTING BACK, AND LAUGHING HIS BUTT OFF, THINKING ABOUT ALL THE
466 OVER-REACTIONS HE'S ELICITED FROM THE BW IRREGULARS. (THIS IS NOT INTENDED AS A
467 PUT DOWN TO ANYBODY, JUST A GUT FEELING.). MEANWHILE, FRANK, I HEAR THERE ARE A
468 COUPLE OPENINGS AT THE ANKARA PENETENTARIE REPUBLIQUE DE TURKEY.##==##==##==##==
469 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
470 Anon:Yes, 1 ex-wife, no kids.
471 And one of those women he better keep his hands off of!
472 All:now am I halucinating or is the above tirade dirrected at Morby a little
473 over reactionary? I saw nothing about Morby telling others what to do a
474 except for our pal Frank. Speaking of Frank...If this is a hoax, he is one HELL
475 of a writer!
476 All:I think I am becoming an anomaly 2 hours after finding out the above info,
477 one oof my old girlfriends from oklahoma called me and asked d
478 asked if I would like to see her and her KID and her husband at a bar-b-que she
479 is holding in portland when she visits. The wierdness continues folks, what next
480 I know not.
481 MiG
482 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
483 MIG: SOMEONE OVER AT BROKEN BLADE SAID YOU ARE A JUVIE.
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485 ALL: Does anyone have any figures on the number of active BBS users in the
486 Portland area? Or telecom users in general? Aaron
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488 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::
489 M(n'ettg)iG: perhaps we should start a club for those who life has dumped
490 on. We can be charter members. Besides the personal problems I also
491 have experienced in the recent past, my house was foreclosed a couple of
492 months ago, and just last weekend I received a letter from PGE claiming I
493 owe them $2225 for weatherization on the house I no longer own.
494 Now, as $2225 is about $11,000 more than I have, I detect a problem.
495 Deducting it from my $0/month income is going to take a while to pay off,
496 too. Since your supplier is otherwise occupied, I suppose I can't even
497 come over and get stoned in your closet while recording dazzling
498 conversation for posterity.
499 Isn't life the pits?
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502 ALL ARCHIVE (or interested): Want printed version? Currently investigating
503 two types, impact and laser. As for "non-group buy" people wanting copies
504 in print; speak up now, or forever endure the hassle of tracking down the
505 group members to try to re-split your contribution. If you are currently in
506 on the buy and want a printed version lemme know ASAP as I have to determin
507 how much paper and ink and all that good stuff band printers use that we
508 will need so I can figgure out the cost. Should be inexpensive, just cost
509 of paper and ribbons.... Aaron
510 PS: actually, the laser printing isn't quite that simple, as I don't own
511 a laser printer. But, if you are wanting to bind or otherwise show off
512 your spiffy backwater backlogs, laser printing may be for you. Cost is appx.
513 $0.08/page compared to $0.02/page for conventional printing.
514 PPS: if you opt for the impact (which I will do here); you should be able to
515 get them the day after I recieve the disks, we have a very fast printer.....
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522 Well, it looks like Frank, if he is for real, has a number of honest answers.
523 I for one can sympathize with his problem, but am unwilling to tolerate any
524 expression of his "life-style." Homo-sex, between consenting adults, I consider
525
526 simply none of my business. In other words I take an extremely selfish view --
527 as long as what you do does not affect others I do not favor any laws or other
528 coercion affecting your behaviour. When what you do impacts others, social
529 controls of one sort or another must be imposed -- either through the courts or
530 by enraged citizenry moving down a street with a rope in their hands.
531 Unfortunately, we as humans, tend to move over that line. We no longer draw
532 the line of where actions impact someone else, and move it to "when you do
533 something of which I do not approve." In my personal moral code, I attempt to
534 draw this line. If I fail, please call me on the point.
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538 NUCLEAR OPTION IS A DICHOTOMY IN TERMS... A member (for the moment) of the
539 human race.
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542 Aaron: A printed version. My, you've asked the right person. I could go for
543 a copy.
544 Another Guest: I wasn't anywhere near Hawaii. Reread my message. I was trying
545 to be like Michael and run around with my best friend's ex-girlfriend.
546 The Ninja
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549
550 ************************
551 * WELCOME BACK *
552 * MOHAMMED *
553 ************************
554
555
556 So good to have you back. Without your talent the
557 adventure really went down hill for awhile.
558
559 It was very difficult keeping it going without the Albanians
560 to bounce characters off of. After awhile I retired to
561 Lurkerdom and watched. It got pretty bad.
562
563 Things picked up when LeRoy decided to buy a chain of
564 monasteries and start an international "rent a miricle"
565 promotion. It caught on and an organization called the NET
566 sprung up to meet the challenge.
567
568 Ian MacHinnery is the power behind the NET. L'homme Sans
569 Parity, Joshua, and Petrov have become the principle NET
570 characters. Petrov has changed considerably since he was
571 LeRoys' drag queen bodygaurd.
572
573 Ian MacHinnery writes as well as ever. L'hommes' writing has
574 improved a great deal. Some of his stuff has been really
575 good. Joshua and Petrov are relatively new. They tend towards
576 long narratives, which isn't my favorite style, but they are
577 good.
578
579 The McKane adventure is still suffering, prepare yourself for
580 this one, from an attack by d. Can you believe that? d, the
581 peacemaker, the gentle soul, the feminine force of Backwater
582 lost her cool and got nasty.
583
584 It's no big deal, of course. We all lose our cool once in
585 awhile. How can I be mad at d when she was the one who once
586 cooled me down when I was the hothead?
587
588 Anyway, glad that you're back. Maybe we'll get inspired and
589 get things moving once again.
590
591 Grand D.
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593 [][] To the Bozo -call me with a voice phone, 635-xxxx, ask for Andrew [][]
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595 Since no one has shown the kindness that was evident when I first logged
596 on, I will adress the " Another Guest ". The way to get in the system is
597 to just start using it. You might consider changing your name from
598 " Another Guest " to something more appropriate. ( har har )
599 I shall continue with the story soon as I ready the file...
600 Tally Ho(e) ! Morby
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603 ? does anyone know ?
604 ? why the DUNE BBS ?
605 ? is not taking any?
606 ? calls?????????????
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608 ##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##LYSIAS##==##==##==##==##==##==##==
609 FRANK: I DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM, AND CAN IGNORE YOUR ENTRIES
610 (WHICH I DON'T BUY), EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE ON THE DISC A. YOU HAVE PUT DOWN
611 SOMEONE I ADMIRE, SOMEONE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, WHOM YOU HAVE NOT READ, AND
612 WHOSE NAME YOU CAN NOT SPELL, HENRY DAVID THOREAU. I DON'T LIKE ANY ONE BADMOUTH
613 ING THOREAU, AND I'D DEARLY LOVE TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT THIS, AS WELL AS
614 WHAT I THINK OF YOU, WITH OR WITHOUT YOUR PROBLEM. AS THIS BBS DOES NOT ALLOW
615 SUCH THINGS TO BE SAID, I WON'T.SO USE YOUR IMAGINATION, AND YOU'LL GET THE MESS
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618 PRH FH DSDFHFT HRRY
619 QHF
620 JGD PRH !!!!
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