💾 Archived View for gemini.spam.works › mirrors › textfiles › messages › BACKWATER › bw840402.txt captured on 2022-06-12 at 15:46:18.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-
LIST
FILE ON
MARGIN IS 76
STATUS: ENTER ONLY
NUMBER OF LINES: 607
1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
2 ************************ REMOVED 2 APR 84 ******************
3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
4 ************************************************************
5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
10 privatly owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
18 ************************************************************
19
20 DEBORAH: HERE, HERE?? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
21
22 TO PARITYLESS PERSON: THE SPEED IS DEPENDANT UPON THE CLOCK RATE OF
23 YOU SYSTEM. WITH 4 MHZ CLOCK THE MAXIMUM RATE IN THE TERMINAL MODE
24 IS 4800 IF NOT RECEIVING A FILE, AND 2400 IS RECEIVING TO DISK. IF
25 YOU ARE TRANSFERING A FILE VIA THE XMODEM PROTOCOL, THEN THE MAXIMUM
26 RATE IS 38400. THESE RATES OF COURSE WILL CHANGE IF YOUR SYSTEM
27 CLOCK IS AT SOMETHING OTHER THEN 4MHZ, AND ARE SUBJECT TO ANY OTHER
28 SYSTEM LIMITATIONS AS WELL. AS FOR THE REPROGRAMING, THE SOURCE
29 FILE FOR THE MACHINE INTERFACE IS PROVIDED WITH THE SOFTWARE SO
30 THAT YOU CAN MODIFY IT TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT.
31 *********************** CISTOP MIKEY ********************************
32
33 #################################################################
34 Ahh, I wonder how that mercinary that I hired to search for PAM
35 is doing? I haven't heard from him since he left. I hope he hasn't
36 run into some misfortune, it's so hard to find good soldier of fortune
37 types these days what with times as they are.
38 ###################### The Innkeeper ##############################
39
40 (<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(>)(<>)(<>)8<>)(<>)
41
42 While wandering around the wizards quarters I found some curious
43 things, but nothing conclusive. Maybe if I look in these rooms...
44 Whats this, I feel an odd tugging, with musical undertones...
45 Of course! pipes! well I just have to see where and when the Piper
46 has in mind...
47 As familiar shapes fegin to coalece around me I relax, maybe I will
48 have time for a few drinks...
49
50 (<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)The Traveller8<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)
51
52 Has 'Green Eyes' read the Horseclan Novels?
53
54 (<>)(<>)T.T.(<>)(<>)(<>)
55 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
56
57 SAM PECKINPAH
58 WHAT WAS IT YOU WANTED TO TALK TO ME LATER ABOUT?
59 PHERIC FOERENDER
60 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
61 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!! ATTENTION !!!
62 ANYONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THE FLATHEAD PORTRAIT
63 IN ZORK II ,PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE ON THIS BBS TELLING HOW
64 TO GET AROUND THE BANK ALARM SYSTEM WITH THE PICTURE
65
66 PHERIC FOERENDER
67 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
68
69 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
70 hello! just popped in for for a quick look about.....
71
72 how bouts a little teeny-weeny discussion/debate/name-calling match? say,
73 firearm control? ( do I hear 2 sets of muffled chuckles in the background?
74 it WAS the only thing left, right?) I'll take round 1.
75
76 1) All firearms should be removed from the public sector.
77 (here comes the sharps commitee...)
78
79 Aaron
80 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>{}<><><><><><><><><><><>
81 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
82 Aaron -- sure! Here's round two:
83 2) Every person should be required to complete a firearms safety course and
84 fire a qualifying score at a target range before recieving a high-school
85 diploma. Use and maintanance of firearms should be required just as other
86 survival skills such as mathematics and english. No restriction should be
87 placed on purchase and ownership of firearms.
88
89 Have at it! ................
90 The piper placed his pipes on his shoulder and played "When You Go to the
91 Hills Bring Your Gun".
92 Deborah -- I'll check through my back issues this weekend and try to
93 find issues you might like to look at. Since you are interested in space,
94 are you aware of the L-5 society? I don't have an address for them but
95 I'm sure that someone here must have it.
96 Bard and Apprentice -- Ok, I'm game for any expedition you want to name.
97 I won't be able to contribute much but I can try to hold to the rules of
98 whatever reality we head off to.
99 (my goodness -- my english teacher didn't like me to end a sentence with
100 ONE preposition. Look at that last one!)
101 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
102 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
103 With all the trouble in the world, I think that we would all be a lot
104 safer if there were much stricter controls on guns. I'm not saying
105 that we should get rid of guns, just that we should be more careful. the
106 safty course should be manditory for any who buy or use guns, and those
107 who live in the vicinity of those who do.
108
109 I missed who said it, but the radio just had a report about some interesting
110 views. some polititian said that it was the duty of the old to die to
111 make room. He also said drugs that allow terminally ill people to
112 live longer was wrong. I'm not kidding. Although I didn't catch his
113 name, I did hear that he was Democrat.
114 It's hard to believe that it's sick minds like this that run our lives
115 through the government..
116 WAIT! I just found it on the front page of the oregonian. It was
117 Colorado gov. Richard Lamm. The article is more disgusting than the
118 radio report. There's one politian who probably just talked himself
119 out of re-election.
120 Bo
121 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
122 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
123
124 I feel there are enough laws restricting firearms......The easier way
125 to insure ( at least with the least trouble ) a safer future
126 would be Control the amunition that is available to the public.
127
128 Just a thought ,
129 :::::::::::::::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
130 The cat shook its head. Where had THAT thought come from? He knew
131 the horse clans and their two-leg friends, but what was a "novel"?
132 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Green Eyes""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
133 Alex: If you are referring to that law that some groups are trying to push
134 thru Congress, let me fill you in on a few details the media seems reluctant
135 to mention.
136 1. The teflon bullets are no longer being made.
137 2. Many police organizations (not necessarily departments) don't support it.
138 3. The way the law is written, MOST hunting ammo would be outlawed. (there
139 are a lot of specialty pistols that will handle rifle ammo)
140
141 I don't have time to dig up references for all of the above. If
142 anyone has DOCUMENTED evidence supporting OR countering the above, feel
143 free. (I can't remember which organizations for #2, but I believe it was
144 something like the FBI & the National Association of Police Chiefs)
145 On the gun safety bit, you will have to teach EVERYONE because
146 guns are a LOT more common than is generally realized. Remember, if it
147 looks like a gun - treat it as real until proven otherwise. A gun is
148 ALWAYS assumed to be loaded. Don't point a gun at anything you don't intend
149 to KILL (wounding is MUCH more difficult!). There, did I miss any?
150 _______________________________Leonard______________________________________
151 && && &&
152 How about this: every American citizen is required to complete a gun-
153 safety course to qualify for full adult rights (i.e. voting, driving,
154 drinking), after which they are REQUIRED to carry a functioning firearm
155 (loaded[the gun, not the user]) whenever in a public place. I also
156 propose that death from shooting could then be placed in the "natural
157 causes" category, thereby freeing up our court dockets and helping
158 reduce the overcrowding in our prisons. The lack of concern we show for
159 the hideous rate of death on our highways indicates to me that if every-
160 one carried a gun then people would accept shooting deaths as the price
161 we pay for preserving our way of life.
162 && && &&
163 The Poet settled into his seat in the inn with a sigh. It was good to
164 be back. He was just adding his comment to a discussion of weapons
165 control, with his usual flair for the bizarre, when the Inn door opened
166 and a robed man stepped inside. The Newcomer's face was hard to make out,
167 but something about him seemed to upset the adventurer.
168 "Excuse me," he told his companions, "Ifeel a sudden call of nature."
169 With this, he all but flew into the Roman bath that served as the Inn's
170 restroom.
171 "Innkeeper, seven ales!"
172 Every eye in the adventuring party turned to the newcomer. That voice...
173 those words... this was the Poet! The Innkeeper was the first to shake
174 off his confusion and speak.
175 "I don't understand, are there two of you?"
176 "Odd that you should ask. There is of course only one of me, but I do
177 have a twin brother. I haven't seen him for years; the family disowned
178 him for his criminal activities. Last I heard of him he was running an
179 import-export business in a 47th-century reality, although rumor has it
180 that he is involved in selling weapons to various unsavory groups."
181 An explosion was heard form the restroom. The entire room rushed to
182 investigate, and found that one of the marble walls of the bath had been
183 removed, and the words "Gaius Was Here" burned into one of those that
184 remained.
185 "That's his handwriting, alright," said the Poet. "I hope none of you
186 loaned him any money."
187 && The Mad Actor &&
188 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
189 Ian:
190 Picked up the game. Sounds interesting, although I am a rank novice
191 at RPG's. Do you have something to suggest?
192 Wassir
193 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
194 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
195 So now we discuss the issue of firearms control!! Well if we must, we must.
196 Here's the way ever person in the good ole U.S. of A should look at it:
197 1. The U.S. was founded with the lives and gun powder of many brave and
198 desperate people. They had been paying up to a king across an ocean
199 and were seeing none of the benefit. In writing the Constitution it
200 was obvious to them that a people should have the right and ability
201 to defend not only themselves, but also their country.
202 2. The countries who have fallen before the mighty Russian bear have
203 all been nations that, in part or whole, possesed not enough weapons
204 to fight their way out of a street brawl. To wit: Poland, as just
205 one example, did not have even the basic peice of pipe to as their
206 defense. In essence, the big, bad bear just waltzed in and said
207 Thanks!
208 3. The only a rifle or hand weapon EVER kills some person is when it is
209 accidently discharged in the direction of some unfortunate soul or
210 it's trigger is squeezed by someone. The key here, as with all man
211 made devices, is that it requires HUMAN input.
212 4. To control these devices would be nigh on impossible because there
213 are a number of people who not have several firearms in their house-
214 hold a number of people who not only posses several firearms but also
215 have the knowledge and ability to reload their own ammunition!!
216 I
217 have met some of these folk and they are, I assure you, neither the
218 stereotyped bloodluster nor the paranoid. They are practical people.
219
220 The one suggestion that really rings true is the idea of education in the
221 handling and use of firearms. Ignorance is no excuse! Neither is the idea
222 of total abolishment. Rather, we must try and obtain both a degree of yhe
223 [C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
224 control some people are determined to shove on the rest of us and the
225 ability to go out and realise one of the basic rights as guarenteed by
226 our Constitution.
227 F. Fin
228 ****************************************************************************
229 BO I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEP ON YOUR TOES. I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE
230 INTERESTED. THIS PORTLAND SF SOCIETY SOUNDS GREAT! UNFORTUNATELY I
231 MUST BE VIGILANT AND GUARD THE SKIES THAT WEEKEND. I WOULD TRULY
232 LIKE TO GO TO THE FOLLOWING ONE AND WILL DO MU UTMOST TO BE THERE.
233 OH! ALMOST FORGOT TO MENTION ALSO, THE NAME OF THE ALBUM IS MIRAGE.
234 BUT UPON LISTENING TO THE LYRICS I MIGHT HAVE JUMPED TH "GUN".
235 WHILE ON THE FIRST COUPLE SONGS IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THEY WERE SINGING
236 OF ERIC(GOOD OLE ERIC) IT MAY BE THEY ARE,INACTUALITY, SINGING OF
237 THE TRILOGY. LYRICS SUCH AS:
238 "ONCE HE WENT AWAY, A MAN DRESSED IN GRAY NOW HE COME BACK
239 WEARING WHITE" OR SOME SIMILAR VERSE. BIT BE THAT AS IT MAY...
240 OOPS! I HEAR MY REALITY CALLING!! GOTTA GO FOR NOW.
241 F. FIN
242 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
243 {
244 1001010
245 1 : it was just a joke! how could they have taken me seriously?
246 maybe "laser control" next.......... we know one proponent, don't we!
247 "don't aim that thing over there! yieee! are you trying to get us arrested?"
248 }
249 THE SHOOTING OF FIREARMS IS A SPORT NOT ONLY AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE
250 AND OLDSMOBILE, BUT IS ALSO AN INTERNATIONAL SPORT THAT REQUIRES
251 PATIENCE AND CONCENTRATION, A COMMON GROUND WHERE ALL NATIONS CAN UNITE
252 IN FRIENDLY COMPETITION. I FULLY BELIEVE IN GUN SAFETY AND AWARENESS,
253 BUT ALSO BELIEVE THAT EXESSIVE LAWS AND RED TAPE COULD SERIOUSLY HURT
254 OUR NATION. ALL YOU UN-GUN PEOPLE PLEASE TRY SHOOTING A TARGET
255 (SILLOUTTE IS A VERY SATISFYING VERSION OF THE SPORT) AND SEE WHAT A
256 CHALLENGE IT REALLY IS.
257
258 IAN M.
259 (A PRO-GUN PERSON)
260
261 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
262 I think that we are forgeting something here.if we arm everybody then the
263 maniacs with less then there alloted amount of brain power would go and
264 start killing.i.e.;
265 "my dad is bigger"
266 "no,MY dad is Bigger"
267 "well my daddys gun is bigger"
268 "well I have my daddys gun!"
269 (blam,boom(sound of crying))
270 and we have another front pager for the masses.
271 this also applys to the high school crowd,i.e.;
272 "you turned me in for selling drugs,duidn't you?"
273 "no,no,I didn't please..."
274 (blam,thunk(hystarical screems from onlookers))
275 my law is;when a person can show that they are mentaly stable,they can carry
276 a gun,persons in public schools should not have guns no matter what.I can
277 think of many times in high school when a gun would have gotten me into prob
278 lems,ie shooting people.
279
280
281
282 Aaron:congratulating Tony? on "succeding where you failed" ?
283 as you can probably guess,V&T called this morning...
284 The Man in Gray
285 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
286 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
287 nay, nay.... in fact, congratulating Vichy! "it's the female's job to
288 attract the male..." as I've heard her say too many times..... She seems
289 to have perfected the technology....... Or Tony's has fewer smarts
290 than I credit him with (equally plausible...........)
291 Aaron
292 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
293 OscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscar
294 As the light of the morning began to shine thru the tent walls, I
295 stir and waken. Then strangly, I hear a puring sound, more of a low
296 rumble then an actual purr. Hmmmm odd...
297 What could that be? Then looking over my shoulder at the source of
298 the sound, I see a very large cat.
299 Nice kitty. I'm not going to hurt you. Nice kitty....
300 I hope he isn't hungry.....
301 OscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscarOscar
302 ******************************************************
303 Ahh yes, guns.. I am reminded of an article I read in the
304 World Press Review on that very issue. It was written by a
305 Frenchman who was saying how crazy we Americans were to be
306 so lenient with allowing our citizens to have guns. Feeling
307 that we should only allow authorized persons to carry arms.
308 A nice thought, but it doesn't seem to make much difference
309 in reality. It would stop some stupid killings since it would
310 take the guns out of the hands of those who have no idea how
311 to use them to begin with. But as far as the criminal types,
312 it won't make any difference at all. Oh it might rise the
313 price of the gun a bit, but not that much, and certainly not
314 enough to make any difference to someone who wants a gun and
315 knows how to get one. They will still be quite readily available
316 even if they are outlawed altogether. A gun is just far to easy
317 an item to make. And don't forget the enormous volume of guns
318 that are already out there, even an attempt to recapture all of
319 them would not get very far (assuming that sort of thing could
320 even be done). They would simply be hidden away and since there
321 is no records of them, who can say they exist to begin with?
322 Want a look at an outlawed commodity that exists anyway because
323 people want it? Take a look at the underground drug industry.
324 It's a billion dollar business, and it certainly isn't rolling
325 over and playing dead just because it is illegal. And it isn't
326 just criminals involved, it is everyday normal people that
327 support that industry.
328 Probalbly an even closer association would be the prohibition
329 era, as it more closly matches the feelings involved with the gun
330 issue. It hardly made any difference there, it just sent it
331 underground and made problems even worse. At least when it is
332 above ground, you can control it if you work at it.
333 In listening to various people talk about their activities and
334 stories about guns, I have found that there are 3 basic reasons
335 for having a gun, 1. to kill someone 2. for sport 3. for defense
336 of those, there isn't a whole lot you can do about number one,
337 number 2 is not a problem. It is number 3 that seems to cause the
338 big noise that the media likes to write about. Typically the
339 person has had no training in the use of a gun at all, and have
340 no idea what they are doing. Killings by these people either
341 occur as a fit of passion, or out of pure stupidity. Such as
342 killing or wounding oneself or another while cleaning or
343 otherwise handling a gun. Another circumstance that really has
344 no need is using the gun to kill or wound someone who is
345 encroaching upon your teritory. First, often the gun wasn't
346 needed in the first place, next simply bradishing the gun and
347 letting the offending person know of its existance will usually
348 do the trick, and finally firing a warning shot will usually do
349 the trick if all else fails. But to go for the kill right off is
350 a bit stupid. As far as laws, there are so many now that aren't
351 being enforced, I doubt that any more would have any real impact.
352 But back to the French person, his feelings are far from
353 abnormal, many people in France and in other europeon countries
354 feel that way. Yet France sees nothing wrong with selling nuclear
355 plants to counties knowing full well that they will be used to
356 make plutonium and other materials for war weapons.
357 So really, when we get down to it it is really simply a matter of
358 perspective and what you personally feel is important, but don't
359 expect everyone else to feel te same way.
360 As for myself, yes i have been trained in how to handle a gun,
361 being in the service, you don't get much choice. On a good day I
362 can hit the broad side of a barn if I'm lucky. I do feel that a
363 person must be able to prove his ability to handle a gun before
364 being allowed to own one. I myself get no enjoyment from shooting
365 a gun. In conclusion, no I don't care for guns, but neither do I
366 see anything being helped by outlawing them. I would rather see
367 the effort being spent on getting drunk drivers off the road, it
368 is a far far greater killer of inocent people then guns. And it
369 is condoned far more then guns are. st take a look at the number
370 of court cases involved by those getting off easily for killing
371 someone with a car compared to killing someone with a gun.
372 Killing with a car is always more lenient, yet the person is just
373 as dead. Enough already!
374 *************** CISTOP MIKEY ***********************************
375 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
376 How sad but true the above statement is. No matter how the person was
377 killed, that's one less soul to keep us company, and the world is
378 already too lonely of a place.
379 Personally, I have had no training in the use of firearms, but if
380 I were to want to use one, I would not pick it up without having some
381 kind of formal training. At this time I would not want it so I don't get
382 it.
383 As far as use in sports, although I do not participate in any
384 sports (outside pinball and occasional vollyball), I feel one sport
385 I could enjoy if I had the time would be the biathalon (combination of
386 cross-country skiing and rifle marksmanship).
387 I guess it all comes down to one statement, guns don't kill people,
388 PEOPLE do.
389 Bo
390 (a non-gun person despite the state of the world)
391 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
392 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
393 AND YOU PEOPLE WERE ALL BLAMING ME FOR THE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
394
395 Thank you to the poet for clearing my good(?) name.
396 Fast Fred
397 BSAL (ret.)
398 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
399 Poet: Do you think your brother could have the missing sliver to the
400 Phoenix Egg?
401 The Ninja
402 !"#!"$#"$#"%#{body}amp;$%'&%(&')(&%'%{body}amp;'"%!#"$!#"%$#&%