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LIST FILE ON MARGIN IS 76 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ************************ REMOVED: 13 DEC 83 *************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 26 O.K., THIS IS IT - SATURDAY, DECEMBER 10, THE M.T. BOTTLE&DELI !!! 27 ABOUT 2PM WOULD GIVE US TIME TO GET BACK FROM CHURCH, WORK OFF OUR 28 FRI NITE HANGOVERS OR WHATEVER, WOULD IT NOT? THIS WILL BE THE OFFICIAL 29 BWMS PARTY DATE AND TIME. 30 31 To get to MT Bottle & Deli - From Portland 32 33 I-5 North .... take first right off F-way on Hayden Isl. ( the only 34 one ) ....then next right ( Tomahawk Dr. ) then next right ( parall to 35 I-5 you should be headed south by now ) follow the road around under the 36 bridge take your first right ( into parking lot ) 37 And ....... there it is. 38 39 *************************************************************************** 40 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 41 42 TRI-METing Patrons: 43 It appears that both T-M lines 5 and 6 transect Hayden Island, yet 44 it is quite possible that 5 dosn't stop on the island. Line 5 runs every 45 (average) 20 mins. from 8:30 am to 9:30 pm; while 6 runs every (avg.) 30. 46 As I don't have a timetable handy, it is possible that 6 dosn't go out to 47 the island between 8:30 am and 4:00 pm (there is a notation of cryptic 48 meaning on the map). Will check on both possibilities and keep everyone 49 informed. 50 51 p.s. co-ordinators: why so early? but I won't make waves......... 52 53 Aaron 54 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 55 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 56 Well..... I just HAPPEN to have a high speed paper tape reader 57 that I'm not useing. It has low miles and in perfect shape. Won't 58 punch though reader only. If you are intrested leave me a note with 59 code word XYZZY so I can locate it by the FI command. 60 Peter 61 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 62 <><><><><><><><><><><> XYZZY Aaron><><><><><><> 63 d:I must explain my reaction to the dragon sketch you showed me at the Bit 64 Bucket party. As soon as I saw it, I immediately visualized it as the second 65 of three pictures. #1: the "fierce dragon" rushes up to the lady. 66 #2: your lovely sketch. 67 #3: the dragon rears back and retreats in GREAT disorder (hopefully 68 he will be smart enough to apoligize to the lady first!) 69 I do look forward to seeing you (and possibly some more of your work?). 70 __________________________________Leonard___________________________________ 71 **************************************************************** 72 73 DRAGON EDUCATION 74 75 76 The sport of professional dragon hunting is among the most 77 misunderstood of the blood sports. The response to my first 78 DRAGON ALERT indicates that there is some confusion about 79 dragon hunting among the patrons of the Inn. With your 80 permission I'd like to take a moment to clarify. 81 82 DJJ: Most importantly (and I am truly distraught over this 83 misunderstanding) I must tell you that I would never dream 84 of killing dragons such as you have seen. Most people don't 85 realize (perhaps d can confirm this) that there are two 86 main catagories of dragons...Eastern dragons and Western 87 dragons. 88 89 Eastern dragons are the kind benevolent, and thoroughly 90 generous creatures you have encountered. They come primarily 91 from Asia and first entered this country with the chinese 92 laborers who worked on the railroads at the turn of the 93 century. They often are found among puffy white clouds and 94 are often seen adorning oriental artwork. 95 96 Western dragons, on the other hand, are fierce, vile, and 97 murderous beasts that prey on livestock, innocent children, 98 and virgins. They are obsessed with hoarding treasure and 99 are extremely dangerous when aroused. They are a threat to 100 mankind and must be destroyed. 101 102 Dropped Bit: I in no way intended to infringe on an area of 103 expertise claimed by d. In fact, it was a reference to the 104 artwork of d that inspired me to speak. Hard though it is 105 to believe, not everyone shares my enthusiasm for dragons. 106 Word of a fellow dragon enthusiast was most welcome. However, 107 the fact remains that I am THE GRAND DRAGONMASTER and, to 108 the best of my knowledge, am the unequaled authority on the 109 subject. 110 111 For those interested in learning more about Eastern and 112 Western dragons I recommend you read "The Book of the 113 Dragon" by Judy Allen & Jeanne Griffiths or "The Truth about 114 Dragons" by Rhoda Blumberg. A historical perspectives on 115 dragons can be found in "Dragons" by Peter Hogarth and the 116 book "Dragons" by Pamela Wharton BlanPied is an outstanding 117 work on dragon infestation. 118 119 Out of respect for those who are not dragon enthusiasts I will 120 say no more about them on this disc. 121 122 123 Respectfully 124 125 GRAND DRAGONMASTER 126 DRAGON HUNTERS INTERNATIONAL 127 128 129 ************************************************************* 130 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 07 Dec 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 131 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:00 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 132 On behalf of all the kind souls who've requested my presence: yes 133 I shall muster my courage in response to your gentle pleading & resist 134 the impulse to flee! With me, I hope to have as a companion the Lady 135 Altair, whom some may remember as a traveler who tarried briefly here 136 in the spring of the year. Thank you, Alex, for your suggestion, but 137 the colours I wear are usually quiet and subdued, and I could not bear 138 the pretense of a disguise unbefitting to my personality! 139 Leonard, what an exquisite interpretation! Many only remark upon 140 what they perceive as foolishness: how dare she defy the great power of 141 this beast, they exclaim! Their imagination runs on a narrow track... 142 (Ah, the nature of dragons: here is your controversy, Innkeeper!) 143 I have kept still regarding creation vs. evolution out of respect for 144 the patrons who wearied of it, DJJ; but when the stream stagnates again, 145 I am willing, upon request, to make response to this challenge once more. 146 Pam, I add my plea to our dear Innkeeper: where are you? Our 147 peace-keeper is missed! Won't YOU make an appearance at the festivities? 148 Your appellation of "famous Dragon expert" was most flattering, Sir 149 dROPPED bIT; but I must protest that it is untrue. Though possessing a 150 smattering of knowledge of the history and lore of conventional dragons, 151 my renderings of the same are unique to me, though they bear a kinship 152 to the creatures of Pern. Should they encounter a soul such as our local 153 Dragon Hunter, they would be indignant at his fixed ideas, then delight 154 in befuddling him in his clumsy efforts to attack them! 155 Dragon Hunter, if I may address you: I enjoy the studious interest 156 you take in those honorable and/or dastardly creatures of legend, but to 157 view destruction of the same as a 'professional sport' is distasteful to 158 me. There could be much more admirable motives for fighting a dragon-- 159 and I think you discredit their intelligence and ingenuity by clumping 160 them in as if they are just another hunted animal! According to the 161 masses of disinterested people, yes, dragons could be placed in "two 162 main categories" but the ones I appreciate the most conform to no 163 category! DJJ made a poignant comment about the 'creature responsible 164 for the destruction' as being "the most malicious of all, Man." That, 165 along with some observations on artistic renderings of dragons, triggered 166 an idea about what makes respective dragons' personalities so radically 167 different: 'tis the loving touch of a woman! Ponder: was it not Anne 168 McCaffrey who penned those loyal and wise Pernese dragons? The angry 169 faces of my early dragons gave way to warmth and humor when I began to 170 be influenced by the suggestions of the Lady Altair, as another example, 171 and two--no, three!--women artists I stumbled across at the Saturday 172 Market breathe into their creations liveliness and beauty without the 173 prerequisite grimness that males seem to think is required... 174 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 175 MAYHAP WE WILL BE SO LUCKY AS TO SEE A DRAGON WAITING IN THE PA 176 LOT, BUT IF NOT A MERE FIRE LIZARD WILL SUFFICE. IS THE NEW PERN BOOK 177 YET AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK SO WE CAN AFFORD IT? 178 179 RIZ, ONCE RAZ: SORRY TO HAVE STOLEN YOUR NAME, SHOULD I USE "RAY" 180 INSTEAD? 181 ###############################RAY, ONCE RAZ############################ 182 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ 183 I was once told the saga of the Dragon's of Pern from a wisened seer of 184 the East. They come in many different hues; gold and green, bronze 185 brown and blue. There are even tales of a fabled white Dragon. I 186 think that perhaps the Dragon Hunter would be soundly defeated by these 187 supreme beasts. Some say that they can teleport through space and 188 time and breathe fire after chewing a phosphine-bearing rock...The seer 189 spoke of their great intelligence and devotion to their riders. They 190 contribute more to the salvation of mankind against the dreaded Thread 191 than anyone or anything else...Dragon Hunter beware of the Pernian 192 Dragons, they are not to be triffled with! 193 The Dark Prince 194 195 Ray: No, "Moreta, Dragonlady of Pern" just came out in hardback. You'll 196 probably have to wait four to nine months for the paperback version. 197 198 Aaron: Your system sounds like an excellent idea. Just don't exclude 199 people because they are lurkers. Every writer needs someone to read 200 his work. 201 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* 202 203 ######################################## 204 AARON: I TOO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR SYSTEM IF IT IS COMPLETELY OPEN 205 AS THIS ONE IS. SOME EDITING OF THE MORE OBSCENE LANGUAGE OR REMOVAL OF A 206 USER WHO IS PRONE TO SUCH BUT AS STATED ABOVE WE NEED THE LURKERS AS WELL AS 207 THE MAIN CAST OF PLAYERS, WHAT WOULD THE PLAY BE WITHOUT THE STTAGEHANDS AND 208 THE AUDIENCE? 209 210 DERAGONMASTER: IN MY MEMORY THERE HAS BEEN ONLY ONE GRAND DRAGONMASTER AND 211 HE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE K.K.K. I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THIS ISN'T THE CASE 212 WITH YOU BUT IF SO I DO NOT WELCOME YOUR PRESSENCE HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE FOR 213 THAT MATTER! 214 215 SURVIVALISTS: ONE QUESTION, WHY IN THE NAME OF HUMAN DECENCY WOULD ANY ONE 216 WANT TO SURVIVE THAT FATEFUL EVENT? I NEITHER WANT TO BE REDD, DEAD, NOR 217 MAIMED, NOR DO I WISH THIS FOR ANYONE ELSE. 218 219 ##################C.Y.M###############################122/8/83: 8:47AM##### 220 221 [][][][][][][][][][][] 1023 12/08/83 [][][][][][][][][][]][][][][] 222 223 d: I am glad you are going to make it to the festivities. I would 224 like to discuss a philosophical and 'religious' question with 225 you, one that does not lend itself to this forum. 226 227 PAM: Did you get my message about bringing a disk ? I haven't seen 228 you on BASBBS for a while either. Are you feeling poorly ? I 229 certainly hope not. 230 231 Aaron: I am still interested in your system, but I still agree with 232 your original premise of a closed (semi) system. That provides 233 for greater understanding of our fellow members, in my 234 opinion. As they say in the groundhog business - Gopher it!! 235 236 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 237 238 DOES ANY ONE HAVE AN APPLE CAT ][? 239 ASE CALL 289-xxxx 240 ND ASK FOR JASON BROOKS! 241 *************************************************************** 242 243 Dragon Enthusiasts: 244 245 As promised I will not hold the next @DRAGON ALERT until the 246 next disc. However, I'd like to briefly respond to some of 247 your comments. 248 249 d: My reference to dragon hunting as a "professional blood 250 sport" was a poor choice of words. I over-stepped my literary 251 license. I hope it doesn't get revoked. 252 253 I first created Dragon Hunters International to develop 254 imagination among severely emotionally disturbed and mentally 255 ill children I worked with in the secure (locked) residential 256 treatment facility at Christie. Highly structured behavior 257 modification programs reward conformity and mediocrity. Dragon 258 Hunting was originally my attempt to inspire creativity in 259 children whose only rewards in life were for "appropriate" 260 behavior. 261 262 Though I've read a bit of Anne McCaffery, I find I prefer 263 earthly dragons to those of Pern. They are more socially 264 and spiritually relevant. 265 266 CYM: There is absolutely no relationship between this Grand 267 Dragon Master and the one heading the Klu Klux Klan. You might 268 be relieved to learn that I periodically donate money to 269 Klanwatch, the arch enemy of the KKK. 270 271 There are many misconceptions about dragons and dragon hunting 272 in our great nation. I hope the visitors to the Inn will find 273 my humble words enlightening...or at least pleasantly amusing. 274 275 your humble servant 276 277 GRAND DRAGON MASTER 278 DRAGON HUNTERS INTERNATIONAL 279 280 ************************************************************** 281 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 282 283 C.Y.M.&T.D.P.: Yes, I agree. Yet the structure of my system will be dependant on 284 the unihibited freedom Unicom will offer; absolute anonymity (as many 285 aliases as you can dream up, and the system will recognise them all), abs- 286 olute freedom of pen (the wise will say the absolute freedom is nothing but 287 anarchy, and yes this is so, so i will accept suggestions from the users to 288 purge other members from their ranks if their languange becomes too "un- 289 acceptable"), and wide formats and various forums (including private/group 290 mail, SIG's, and a "room" system), along with tight yet simple security. 291 Because of the "freedom" in my system, and the SYSOP's "hands off" philos- 292 ophy for the regulation of the system (I liken my "hands off" philosophy to 293 Star Trek's classic "non-interference" dictum); the only REAL measure of 294 control of the "cleanness" is the requirement that prospective members prove 295 to me some semblance of responsability (though not spelling) from previous 296 BBS activities. 297 As to lurkers, and audiences, I will try to encourage a large enough cast 298 of players so that some can take the role of awed lurker on occasion. 299 Aaron 300 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 301 WELL NOW! 302 303 BACK IN THE SIXTIES, WE USED TO TALK FACE TO FACE LIKE WE DO HERE VIA 304 ELECTRONICS, SOMETIMES IN COFFEE HOUSES, SMALL THEATERS, ETC. HAVE FACE 305 TO FACE DISCUSSIONS GONE COMPLETELY OUT OF STYLE NOW, OR HAVE THE FORUMS 306 FOR DISCUSSION GOTTEN SO DIFFERENT THAT I DON'T RECOGNISE THE ASSEMBLAGE 307 FOR WHAT IT IS? I NOTICE THAT ALL THE PLACES AROUND UNIVERSITIES THAT 308 USED TO AVAILABLE FOR THIS KIND OF CHIT-CHAT SEEM TO HAVE BEEN TORN 309 DOWN TO MAKE FACULTY PARKING LOTS. IS THIS THE RESULT OF A CIA PLOT? 310 311 BUT SERIOUSLY FOLKS............ 312 313 MY BUNS WERE SAVED (NOW THAT PAMS LET THE CAT OUT OF THE LITERARY BAG) 314 MANY YEARS AGO, REMEMBER, BY A FAMOUS DRAGON HUNTER. SO DON'T GET 315 DOWN TOO HARD ON THE DRAGONMASTER, O.K.? 316 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, (REMINISCING MODE) !!!!!!!!!!!!! 317 318 319 AARON, 320 SANDY MERSHON WOULD LIKE TO READ HER BOOKS. 321 IN CASE YOUR FATHER 4GOT "SLOUCHING TWORDS BETHLEHEM" 322 AND "THE WHITE ALBUM" 323 YES,MY SPELLING IS A BIT STRANGE. 324 BYE THE WAY,CS245A IS ENDING SOON.IF YOU WANT SOMETHING WASTED 325 NOW IS THE TIME.MY D.A.C. HAS'NT CHANGED. 326 BECKER. 327 328 329 Aaron: 330 How about not talking about a new system, but actually building one? 331 ....................................................................... 332 Alas d is coming, and bringing a comrade with her. What a sucess I envision 333 this meeting being! It looks like the new subject is Dragons, that is 334 certainly a departure from our last subject! Do you have any fire 335 damage effect charts for Dragons Leonard??? Shall we again try to carpool 336 to Swan Island leonard? This time it WILL work! Gotta run, going to see 337 Charles J. Givens tonight. 338 .................tHE dROPPED bIT.................................... 339 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 340 ============================================================================ 341 DEAR GRAND DRAGON MASTER OF DRAGON HUNTERS INTERNATIONAL,I AM TWELVE 342 YEARS OLD AND I WAS WONDERING IF BY CHANCE IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 343 DUNGEONS & DRAGONS, IF SO LEAVE ME A MESSAGE AND GIVE ME INFORMATION 344 ABOUT IT. IF NOT LEAVE ME A MESSAGE ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 345 346 SINCERLY, 347 EMPEROR 348 OF THE WORLD OF HAWKEYE. 349 ========================================================================= 350 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 351 352 Becker: 353 Tell Sandy et al that will return said documentaion at earliest possible 354 opportunity. As to D.A.C.'s, you wouldn't believe how quiet it's been since 355 you-know-who hasn't been able to get mine! I think I will keep it that way. 356 Yet will try to contact you, who knows; maychance I could be persuaded to 357 elucidate on some of my favorite HP3K better-than-electrostatic 358 system-downing algorithyms! Tell y-k-w "see ya in court!"...The fireworks 359 should be spectacular! Were her anti-d's tri-cyclic? I guess I should play 360 back some old tapes and put together all the pertinent data. Kick some but 361 at MHCC's CS dep for me, stir them from their lethargy....esp Bill. 362 Aaron 363 364 TO ALL TRI-MET RIDERS! WARNING! NOTICE! 365 Line #6 does NOT go to the island on Sat! 366 at least at any times useful to our purposes..line #5 is quite 367 viable, though. And even runs with some frequency. See ya'll! 368 369 Aaron 370 371 Mike (anyone?): did you call them up with some rational estimate of the 372 size of the impending invasion? Does anyone have an estimate? 373 374 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 375 ############################################################### 376 ANYBODY HEARD FROM LEROY LATELY? - NATASHA 377 ############################################################### 378 *************************************************************** 379 380 Emperor Hawkeye: 381 382 No...Dragon Hunters International has nothing to do with D & D. 383 384 Originally Dragon Hunters International was a club I made up 385 for kids with emotional problems. Now it has almost as many 386 adult members as kids (about 15 kids to 10 adults) b 387 don't do much anymore. 388 389 Membership requirements for kids are: 390 391 1) You must name, describe, and explain the habit 392 three dragons. 393 394 2) You must name and describe your own personal monster. 395 396 3) You must make a sound like a dragon. 397 398 399 Members of Dragon Hunters International had their own money, 400 called Krauntars, that could only be spent on imaginary things 401 that do not exist. 402 403 The club hasn't met in several years but it has card carrying 404 members all over town. 408 409 I hope I've answered your questions O.K. If you have more, 410 just ask. 411 412 413 Your servant 414 415 GRAND DRAGON MASTER 416 DRAGON HUNTERS INTERNATIONAL 417 418 *********************************************************** 419 420 HEY NATASA, SWEETIE, LEROY AIN'T AROUND NO MORE. MCKANE GOT 421 HIS COMPUTER PRIVILEGES TOOK AWAY FOR BUSTEN INTO THE NATIONAL 422 DEFENSE COMPUTER AND TELLEN IT TO SENT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY- 423 SEVEN M-60 TANKS TO LIBYA. HE DON'T GET TO USE THE COMPUTER 426 TELL HE PAYS FOR THEM TANKS. 427 428 LISTEN HERE, PUSSYCAT, HOW ABOUT YOU AN ME GETTEN A THINGS 429 GOING TILL LEROY GETS BACK. I'M OUT ON PAROLE SOON AN WE 430 COULD HAVE AREAL GOOD TIME. LEROY'S CHARGING THE TANKS ON 431 HIS VISA CARD BUT HE DON'T GET HIS PRIVILEGES BACK TILL HE 432 PAYS THE BILL. TILL THEN LET'S MAKE HAY WHILE THE SUN SHINES. 433 IF YOU GET MY DRIFT. 434 435 ROSCO (THE BLADE) SELTZNIC 436 437 ============================================================= 438 C.Y.M.:Nuclear War (or even limited terrorist use of nukes is NOT the only 439 thing that "survivalists are trying to prepare for/against. Natural 440 Disasters, & economic collapse are also possibilities. Also, if it IS as bad 441 as you seem to think, then even our best efforts would be useless. If it 442 ISN'T that bad ONLY those who were prepared would stand much chance of 443 surviving. You are in effect saying that since it would be terrible to be 444 one of the survivors of a great disaster, plague, war, etc then we shouldn't 445 try to be prepared for the aftermath. That kind of thinking was prevalent 446 after the black death struck Europe. Many people felt that it was God's 447 Judgement & just gave up. Luckily, not everyone did or we might not be here. 448 DRAGONMASTER (& d):In my persona as a member of the Society for Creative 449 Anachronism, I have had some dealings with dragon-related matters. The Shire 450 of Stromgard (Vancouver, Wa & vicinity) annually holds a defender tournament 451 to select the "fighter" who will protect the Shire & surrounding territories 452 from the Dragon that lairs in Mt. St. Helens. Note that he is not being 453 chosen to kill the dragon (rumor has it that she is raising a fine brood of 454 dragonets in the crater rim!), but merely to protect us. At least one of 455 the Defenders has claimed that he spent his term playing chess with her. He 456 also claims to have won most of the games, informed sources tend to doubt 457 this. It is thought that the Dragon wished to spare his feelings & LET him 458 win so he wouldn't feel too bad. (Besides, if he kept losing he might quit!) 459 dROPPED bIT:OK, but this is your last chance! 460 ____________________________________Leonard_________________________________ 461 **************************************** 462 463 But Leo, aren't the survivalists "giving up"? They are saying that there 464 is no hope, that society is doomed, and we should all dig in and get 465 ready to protect what's ours. It isn't the people that run away that solve 466 the world's problems, it's those that stay and fight, that try to SOLVE 467 the problems, that give us the chance to survive. The "survivalists" 468 are survivalists only through personal survival, and their actions may 469 actually help further the collapse they fear. If they are so far-sighted, 470 they would be of more service by staying in society and helping rather 471 than running away. If the collapse does come and they are the fathers 472 of the world to come, we can look forward to a group of small-minded, 473 selfish decendants ruling the bombed out remains of our world. I don't 474 see you hiding in a shelter in the Rogue River Valley, so you must feel 475 some duty to society. Or is it just what defines the majority of everyone's 476 actions, inertia? 477 478 ************Captain America************ 479 480 I would like to say that I feel that Dragons are beautiful creatures 481 and I am very happy to have a small collection of artwork depiciting them. 482 It is good to see the subject matter of BWMS turn over to such a delightful 483 subject. I am not really interested about arguing on war, or any 484 such trifle matters. But, Dragons are a subject I will be happy to listen 485 /read about. Thank you for the book references. Enjoy. 486 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Billy ^^ 487 JUST HOW MANY DRAGONS HAVE YOU ? 488 ONE FOR EACH OCCASION I SUPPOSE. 489 A LOOKER 490 491 EXIT 492 493 ////////////////////////?///////?////////////////?////////////////??/?///// 494 END 495 ENTER 496 EXIT 497 _UT 498 OUT 499 HELP 500 501 502 LIST 503 504 505 +++++++++++++++++++++ 506 This is a test of a commodore 64. 507 +++++++++++++++++++++ 508 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 509 510 I just called MT Bottle & Deli. They were...uh...surprised. The building 511 has a capacity of 55, though they said they've had more. Note that I didn't 512 give them the OFFICIAL warning, yet I did metion that a few people might 513 show up tommorow. I would suggest that SOMEONE give them a call with a real- 514 istic estimation of the size of the throng they will be innundated with. 515 ~~~ 516 517 Aaron 518 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 519 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 520 521 Aaron & all 522 523 Not to worry....... 524 M&T has more than enough room..... 525 I have been there following many a Friday nite Beer can race ( sail) 526 and never have there been any problems 527 Cozy yes......crowded unlikly 528 and besides after a few HSW's to ward off the cold one seems to revise 529 their Territorial Imperative 530 531 a domain 532 533 :::::::::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 534 P.S. are there more than 50 of us ? 535 I count perhaps 15-20........ 536 Lurkers make thine presence known 537 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 538 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 539 540 Natasha: 541 542 Please...don't get involved with that creep Rosco (the 543 blade) Seltznic. 544 Sure, LeRoy's not much. We all know he's greedy, 545 politically unstable, and always in trouble...but at least 546 his hearts in the right place. That's more than you can say 547 about Rosco the Blade. 548 Rosco will bring you nothing but pain. For my sake, if 549 for no other reason, please, oh pretty please, don't secumb 550 to his treacherously brutal charms. 551 I'm worried for you. 552 553 Your true friend 554 555 Big Bill 556 557 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 558 WELL NOW! 559 560 DEAR NATASHA - JUST WHICH OF OUR ESTIMABLE FEDERAL INSTITUTES OF 561 CORRECTION HAS LEROY BEEN SENT AWAY TO? HOW COME? HOW'S BORIS 562 BATTERNOF? 563 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 564 P.S. DO YOU REMEMBER WHO SANG "MY BOYFRIEND'S BACK" ORIGINALLY? 565 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 566 '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''`````````````````````````````````````` 567 To C.Y.M. thank you. 568 I will not be attending. 569 As always George Lurker 570 P.S. We all have our own dragons! 571 `````````````````````````````````''''&''''''''''''''''''`' 572 ALEX: SO FAR, YOUR COUNT HAS BEEN APROXIMATLT CORRECT. AT AS FAR AS 573 THOSE WHO HAVE LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW. HAS ANYONE 574 CALLED THEM? I HAVEN'T. I WONDER IF WE SHOULD TO RESERVE A PARTICULAR 575 SPACE, OR TO GO THE WAY OF BWMS STYLE AND MAKE OUR OWN SPACE ON THE FLY. 576 ******************* CISTOP MIKEY **************************************** 577 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 579 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 580 ALL 581 582 583 584 585 [][][][][][][][][] 586 ON THE FLY, MIKEY. 587 [][][][][] DJJ 588 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 589 until tommorow everyone...goodnight... Aaron 590 ps: first T.D.B., now that Bill character up above...is nothing sacred??? 591 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 593 `` HELPDN 594 595 596 G. D. M. 603 Where do we send for cards to D. H. I. 606 608 Unknow (searching) 610 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 611 612 Big Bill: 613 614 I'm touched by your concern but there's no reason to 615 worry. Rosco's had an "accident" and won't be bothering 616 me anymore. LeRoy's my man, my only man, and he'll take 617 care of me forever. 618 619 620 Natasha 621 622 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 623 ...................................................................... 624 To all party goers, I raise a glass of mysterious liquid in toast to this 625 upcoming event. The MT Bottle & Deli hasn't seen a partly like this before, 626 I hope they are ready. 627 To Leonard, I'll call a la voice line. 628 See you all there! 629 ...........tHE dROPPED bIT............................................