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LIST FILE ON MARGIN IS 90 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask...... 2 ********************** REMOVED: 27 NOV 83 ************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 26 27 WELL, FORREAL, WAS IT YOU THAT ERASED THE LAST 2 LINES OF LUKE'S 28 MESSAGE ON DISK B? I KNOW THAT YOU REPLACED WHAT WAS AN EMPTY SECTION, 29 BUT I HESITATE TO ACCUSE. OH WELL, THE "JERKS" (YOUR PHRASE, NOT MINE) 30 HAVE THEIR PLACE TOO, AS THIS IS A FREE FORM BBS. 31 32 NEW SUBJECT ANYONE? HOW ABOUT THE CURRENT INCREASE IN GOVERNMENT 33 SPONSORED CENSORSHIP? IT SEEMS THAT THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION IS 34 FRIGHTENED THAT EVERYONE MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT IS 35 GOING ON IN THE WORLD, SO THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO INTERFERE WITH 36 THE SPREAD OF INFORMATION OF ALL KINDS. WHILE I CAN UNDERSTAND THE 37 DESIRE TO KEEP REPORTERS OUT FROM UNDER-FOOT DURING THE GRENADA INVASION, 38 AND THE CORRECT NOTION THAT ADVANCE KNOWLEGE MY THE FORCES ON GRENADA 39 WOULD INCREASE AMERICAN CASUALTIES, I REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY 40 WEREN'T ALLOWED IN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE INVASION. 41 THE FACT THE AMERICAN PRESS WASN'T PRESENT HAS PLACED THE VERACITY OF 42 MUCH OF WHAT THE ARMED FORCES HAS CLAIMED TO BE IN DOUBT. THIS IS 43 REALLY ONLY A MINOR ITEM, BUT IT IS A SMALL DROP IN A LARGE OCEAN OF 44 ADMINISTRATION PARANOIA ABOUT JOURNALISTS. MOST PRESIDENTS EVENTUALLY 45 FEEL THAT THE PRESS IS "OUT TO GET THEM", MOSTLY DUE TO THE ADVERSARY 46 NATURE OF AMERICAN JOURNALISM. BUT REAGAN SEEMS TO HAVE GONE A STEP 47 FURTHER INTO FEELING THAT THE ENTIRE FIELD OF JOURNALISM IS MERELY AN 48 INSTRUMENT OF THE KREMLIN. 49 50 I SUPPOSE I COULD HAVE PHRASED THE ABOVE IN A MORE HOSTILE AND 51 CONTROVERSIAL FASHION IN ORDER TO ENGENDER HEATED DEBATE, BUT I'M SURE 52 THAT OTHERS CAN DO IT FOR ME. ANON, CAN YOU GIVE US THE LIBERTARIAN 53 POINT OF VIEW? ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE "YOUNG CHRISTIANS FOR 54 REAGAN" OUT THERE? HOW ABOUT SOME JOHN BIRCHERS? LET'S HEAR IT FROM 55 ALL SIDES, FOLKS! 56 57 OR WOULD YOU PREFER SOME OTHER SUBJECT? 58 59 DOM? ARE YOU OUT THERE? HELLO? 60 C'MON, DIRTY, DON'T LEAVE US! 61 62 DID ANYONE WATCH THE INFAMOUS "UNDERTAKER SKETCH" ON MONTY PYTHON 63 LAST WEEK? "I THINK WE'VE GOT AN EATER!!!" 64 65 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM+[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 66 67 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 68 LUKE: I DON'T THINK I WILL NEED A RIDE TO THE TOWN CENTER BUT MAYBE A RIDE 69 HOME. WHAT TIME SATURDAY? I WILL BE THERE!! HOW DO I SEE DISK B? 70 IT SEEMS EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IT IS BUT ME. IS THIS DISK B? I AM JUST A LOST 71 MIND TRING TO WADE THROUGH ALL THE CONFUSION. CHAT WITH YA LATER. 72 73 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX-JODY-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX 74 75 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 76 77 Hmmmmm...... 78 The slightest spectre of censorship leaves me with an alltogether 79 sense of forboding..... 80 Regardless of the reasoning applied to its justification . 81 In many circumstances it is only the fear of the press that keeps many 82 of our elected tyrants from abusing their offices more than they already 83 do. 84 I for one reject entirely the notion of censorship. << ON ANY LEVEL >> 85 If the action or information is not for public consumption then so be it 86 but should it leak out to the press then 87 1. It was designed for public effect. 88 or 2. One of our public officials has breached his "responsibility" 89 and should be removed. 90 92 Anyway... I have regained my perspectiveon "T-D-A" and although 93 it shocked me I feel now that we should effect a dialogue with USSR 94 to promote a more stable relationship. Through the need of mutual 95 interdependence build down to that mythical level of 96 < Fundamental planetary hygiene > 97 98 99 Aaron, M & T IS Tri Metable 100 101 ::::::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 102 This machine, it played one. 103 It pushed start and program run. 104 It's an IBM 360/85; 105 This computer came alive. 106 107 This machine, it played two. 108 Overloaded voltage to the CPU. 109 It's an IBM 360/85; 110 This computer came alive. 111 112 This machine, it played three. 113 Designed its memory to one IC. 114 It's an IBM 360/85; 115 This computer came alive. 116 117 This machine, it played four. 118 Changed its logic from AND to OR. 119 It's an IBM 360/85; 120 This computer came alive. 121 122 This machine, it played five. 123 Memorized data from tape drive. 124 It's an IBM 360/85; 125 This computer came alive. 126 127 This machine, it played six. 128 Told the CE what to fix. 129 It's an IBM 365/85; 130 This computer came alive. 131 132 This machine, it played seven. 133 Printed out the road to Heaven. 134 It's an IBM 360/85; 135 This computer came alive. 136 137 This machine, it played eight. 138 Shipped itself to Rome, Air Freight. 139 It's an IBM 360/85; 140 This computer came alive. 141 142 This machine, it played nine. 143 Told the Pope it was divine. 144 It's an IBM 360/85; 145 This computer came alive. 146 147 This machine, it played ten. 148 To sing once more push start again. 149 It's an IBM 360/85; 150 We computers are alive. 151 #############################H.A.R.L.I.E. & P-1############################# 152 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 153 154 JODY, WHEN YOU FIST COME ONTO THE SYSTEM, YOU ARE ON DISK A. IF 155 YOU WANT TO SEE DISK B, TYPE DB. WHEN YOU WANT TO RETURN TO DISK A, 156 TYPE DA. 157 158 TO EVERYONE: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE TYPE "OFF" WHEN YOU LEAVE THE 159 SYSTEM, OR YOUR MESSAGE MAY BE LOST!!! AS MIKEY HAS SAID, THIS CLOSES 160 THE DISK PROPERLY, AND ENSURES YOUR FILE IS SAVED. IT IS OBVIOUS WHEN 161 SOMEONE HASN'T DONE SO, BECAUSE WHEN THE NEXT PERSON CALLS, THEY ARE 162 GREETED WITH "FILE UNSAFE". 163 164 ALEX, I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD OR SEEN DOM AROUND THE INN. HE HAS 165 EITHER GIVEN UP ON OUR GATHERING ENTIRELY, OR NO LONGER HAS TIME FOR 166 THIS KIND OF DIVERSION. TOO BAD, HE WILL BE MISSED. 167 168 AARON, KEEP US NOTIFIED ABOUT YOUR BBS. WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO CALL 169 IT? BREAD BOARD? CORD BOARD? FLOOR BOARD? BOARD TO DEATH? YOU'VE 170 GOT TO BE CREATIVE! 171 172 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM+[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 173 174 ln 24 175 print 176 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 177 It's obvious sombody's been smoking their sweat socks again. 178 Anybody into heatshrink headwarmers? 179 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 181 182 Clackamas Town Center , I am on a Columbia VP1600 portable 183 Would the sysopp call me at 6590097 and tell me how you go about set 184 up a bbS. 185 off 186 ######################################## 187 THE THING THAT SCARED ME ABOUT "THE DAY AFTER" WASN'T THE SHOW ITSELF EVEN 188 THOUGH UNDERSTATED THAT IT WAS, BUT THE PANEL ON VIEW POINT AFTERWARDS. IF 189 THESE ARE THE MINDS THAT ARE RUNNING OUR COUNTRY AND PERHAPS THE WORLD WE 190 ARE IN REAL TROUBLE! THE ONLY BREATH OF 191 SANITY WAS FROM CARL SAGAN AND EVEN HIS CREDENTIALS ARE SUSPECT. AS FOR EVEN 192 ALLOWING THE WORLDS BIGGEST BIGGOT, WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY TO PARTICIPATE MADE 193 C.B.S. SUSPECT IN MY MIND. SHULTZ, KISSENGER, AND THE REST OF THE REAGONITES 194 CERTAINLY DIDN'T OFFER ANY SURPRISES AS TO THE NUCLEAR MIND OF WASHINGTON 195 THESE DAYS. 196 197 ##################C.Y.M.#############################11/23/83 12:54PM####### 198 You an attorney, PAM? A slur against a silent soul, albeit subsequently 199 disavowed, still tarnishes the target. If you are not one to accuse, why 200 bring up a TOTALLY UNWARRANTED accusation? Of course I wouldn't erase 201 someone else's lines. Were I to be in the habit of doing so, I would take 202 the time to kill half of the junk hereon, including all the wasted lines 203 users seem to consume in efforts to make their verbiage more than it is. 204 Free-form messages, yes. Spray-can valueless graffiti, phooey. FORREAL 205 ........................................................................... 206 } 207 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 208 209 FORREAL, I ASKED IF IT WAS YOU. NO SLUR WAS INTENDED, OR EVEN 210 IMPLIED, THOUGH I MUST SAY THAT THE ONLY PARTY GUILTY OF A SLUR IS YOU 211 WITH YOUR REFERRENCE TO OTHERS OF A DIFFERENT TEMPERMENT AS "JERKS". 212 I FIND IT EXTREMELY INTERESTING THAT YOU WOULD FEEL SLURRED BY A SIMPLE 213 QUESTION AS TO WHETHER YOU ERASED A MESSAGE, AND YET YOU FEEL FREE TO 214 USE SUCH SLANDEROUS VERBIAGE AGAINST OTHERS. DO YOU FIND A SIMPLE 215 QUESTION OF ACTIONS OR INTENTIONS TO BE A SLUR, BUT ACTUAL NAME-CALLING 216 NOT? DOES SUCH A QUESTION CONSTITUTE AN ACCUSATION IN YOUR MIND? AND 217 IF SO, WHY? AND IS YOUR OWN ACCUSATION OF WASTE AGAINST THOSE THAT IN- 218 CLUDE AN EXTRA BLANK LINE BETWEEN SUBJECTS, OR AGAINST THOSE THAT ENTER 219 LARGE NUMBERS OF BLANK LINES WITH NO SEEMING PURPOSE? AS TO WHETHER I 220 AM A LAWYER, THAT IS A QUESTION I REFUSE TO ANSWER BECAUSE IT IS BOTH 221 NON SEQUITUR TO THE ISSUE AND RELATED TO MY PERSONAL LIFE (WHICH I WILL 222 NEVER ANSWER, AS IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS). REMEMBER, NEITHER YOU 223 NOR I OWN THIS BBS, IT IS THE PROPERTY OF THE SYSOP. BEING FREE FORM, 224 IT ALLOWS SOME TO ENDULGE IN JUVENILIA, OTHERS TO PONTIFICATE, AND 225 YOU, I, OR ANYONE ELSE TO COMPLAIN. SHORT OF MIKEY'S RIGHT TO ELIMINATE 226 ANYTHING HE FINDS OFFENSIVE, IT IS ABOUT AS CLOSE TO TRUE FREEDOM OF 227 SPEECH AS I HAVE EVER SEEN. 228 YOU SPEAK OF WASTE. I USED TO THINK THAT ANYONE THAT DIDN'T USE 229 MA 128 WAS A WASTER OF SPACE, SINCE SO MUCH MORE COULD BE INCLUDED IF 230 EVERYONE DID. BUT I FOUND OUT THAT MANY CAN'T RECEIVE PAST MA 80, SO 231 ANY WRITING PAST THAT POINT WAS LOST. I ALSO FOUND THAT THERE WAS A 232 SMALL BUG THAT CAUSED ALL LINES ENTERED TO THE 128th COLUMN TO BE 233 PRINTED WHEN USING THE FI AND FA COMMANDS. SO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS WASTE 234 WAS MERELY SOMETHING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS 235 THAT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, AND WHAT 236 YOU DON'T KNOW MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS RELATING TO A DECISION. 237 ONCE AGAIN, I INTENDED NO SLUR UPON YOUR CHARACTER (AND I STILL FEEL 238 THAT NONE WAS GIVEN), BUT I APOLOGIZE ANYWAY, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PEACE. 239 240 C.Y.M, YOU HAVEN'T COMMENTED MUCH LATELY, BUT I'M OVERJOYED TO SEE 241 YOU BACK. WELCOME, WELCOME, ETC.! I LIKE 'EM CLEAN AND YOUNG! 242 243 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM![][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 244 245 P.S. HI MIKEY!! I HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU RECENTLY, AND I'M GOING 246 THROUGH CYSTOP WITHDRAWAL! GA OR SK (SNICKER, SNICKER!). 247 248 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 249 250 251 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 252 My name is Don I work at Clackamas Town center 253 254 off 255 256 180 Hi there mY name is don I work at Clac. Town cntr. 257 off 258 ######################################## 259 MANY THANKS, PAM, FOR THE NICE COMENT. I HAVE BEEN KEEPING WATCH OVER YOU 260 ALL HERE E AT THE INN BUT REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TOO MUCH TO SAY LATELY, EXCEPT 261 FOR THE LACK OF INPUT FROM DOM, THERE HAS BEE NO REAL MIND BLOWING DISCUSSIO 262 NS. I REALLY THOUGHT THAT AFTER "THE DAY AFTER" THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF NEW 263 IDEAS THROWN ABOUT BUT I GUESS I WAS WRONG. 264 GUESS THE RUSSIANS ARE GETTING TIRED OF THE REAGAN RHETORIC ALSO. THEY WALKE 265 OUT OF GENEVA AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD. 266 I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT REAGAN WOULD DO IF THEY TRIED TO DEPLOY THEIR MIRVS UP 267 IN CANADA AND THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WENT ALONG WITH THEM? IT'S NOT HARD TO 268 UNDERSTAND HOW THE EUROPEANS FEEL ABOUT THE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR MISSELES ON 269 THEIR LAND, AFTER ALL LOOK AT THE OUTCRY ABOUT THE MX'S IN UTAH, NEVADA, ETC 270 HELL, WE DON'T WANT EM EITHER. 271 272 ########################################""""PS THE INITIALS ARE ONLY PARTLY 273 CORRECT. SHOULD CHANGE TO "C.O.M." 274 #######################################################C.Y.M.############### 275 ###############11/23 33 3:38PM############################################## 276 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 277 HEY DON...... DON'T YOU WORK AT THE CLACKAMAS TWON CENTER???? 278 I MEAN THE CLACKAMAS 'TOWN' CENTER. 279 280 -------------------------------------------=JODY=--------------------------- 284 [][[][][][][][] 1647 11/23 285 286 DONT WANT TO BE A LURKER ! 287 (IN ACTION, NOT NAME, SORRY 288 LURKER) HAVE A HAPPY 289 THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE. BE 290 THANKFUL THAT THE WORLD 291 IS STILL IN ONE PIECE. 292 293 [][][][][][][] DJJ [][][] 294 295 PAM: 296 PAM: 297 OMIGOSH!; Somebody actually asked MY opinion of something. Well, I can't give you the 'libertarian' opinion of the 298 Grenada invasion, since I don't know what it really is. However, I will give you my opinion. It is quite mixed. 299 First, nearly all Central and South American countries are run by either a true dictator, or a very dictatorial one- 300 party system (or a system where one party is very dominant.) Few of us would feel 'free' in such places. And when they 301 invite Cubans in to build a 'civilian' airport, this happens without the true consent of the population. In fact, even the 302 president who was killed was Marxist, tho less so that the new guys. Finally, even Castro himself strongly criticized (at 303 least in public) the killing of that president. So it could be said that we are freeing the Grenadians from undesired 304 occupiers. 305 However, remember that the army (Marines, Navy, etc) were financed through taxes (i.e. theft) and therefore are 306 inherently tainted. Probably many of the soldiers were in the services because of a tight job market, made tighter because 307 inefficiencies of unconstitutional government regulation, taxation, etc. It is estimated that for every job generated by the 308 military, more than one (don't remember the exact figure, about 1.5) jobs are lost in other areas of the economy. 309 And also, it is not the job of America to keep the rest of the world free. There are too many petty tyrants out there, 310 like Castro, Khaddafi (how do you spell his name, anyway), Khomeini, Marcos, and others, to try to reform the world, 311 especially with force of arms. I am as perturbed with the liberals, fawning over the left-leaning dictators, as I am with 312 the conservatives, supporting their own favorite regime. I am glad that Reagan postponed his trip to the Phillipines, giving 313 the finger to Marcos. We have made too many mistakes by supporting the pro-US leader, only to alienate the non-aligned 314 populace. Nicaragua and Iran are only two examples of this type fiasco. 315 So do I support the invasion of Grenada? Do I oppose it? Neither. It is precisely the kind of action I would expect 316 from this government. Note that I didn't say, 'from Reagan.' Have you ever heard the word, 'Republocrats.'? It means 317 Republicans or Democrats. It doesn't matter who you vote for, you'll get higher taxes, bigger deficits, more spending, less 318 freedom. Like clockwork. 319 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon :::::::::::::::::: 320 p.s. You said that many people can't read over 80 columns. I was under the 321 impression that most terminal programs could read over 80; just a small fraction 322 couldn't. I can stand ma 80, but I abhor anything smaller. Perhaps we should 323 take a poll and find out just how many people can't read 80+. 324 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23 Nov 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 325 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19:46 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 326 The wind sighs among the slender branches of aspen, and ruffles 327 the stream's surface with the gentlest of touch. It is a dark night 328 but for the ancient creaking lamp hung outside the Inn's back door, 329 and its guttering light reflects only a glint here and there upon the 330 slowly-moving water. Listen: its voice is full of mourning and fear, 331 and debris can be seen floating amidst the shifting greys... 332 Inside the Inn, a young girl sparks anger at a grizzled old-timer: 333 "Analog Alan, your eyes must be smattered with rain and the dust of the 334 road to see what you claim of me! Your comparison was unwarranted, and 335 unjust as well. Do not think that all relationships are like those 336 betwix you and your wife--!" 337 With a swirl of rain-bejeweled cloak, she turns away, only to see 338 the Innkeeper once again avoiding her eyes. The anger drains away, and 339 she lifts a hand in appeal, almost calling out to him. "I wonder..." 340 she agonizes, watching him busy himself cleaning up after his guests, 341 "Did he ever receive the unlabeled package sent so long ago, generous 342 with the sinuous profiles of my dragons' shadows? I entrusted it to 343 the government's messengers--but perhaps they scorned to deliver it?" 344 The Innkeeper whisks off to the kitchen, with a crying, cajoling cat 345 at his heels, and the girl bestirs herself to notice the hour. When 346 he bustles out moments later and sends a surreptitious glance her way, 347 there is nothing but the raindrops that sprang from her hood when she 348 tossed her wild mane and spoke... 349 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 350 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 351 Regarding the column question, MA 80 is fine, anything larger or smaller 352 is fine too. I am not picky. My only thought on the subject is that an agreed 353 margin should be useable by all. I would gladly give up greater than 80 354 characters per line if it meant someone could not read past that. I realize 355 we don't get as much information on a disk with 80 characters as we would with 356 more, but I believe Mikey does a good job of recycling disks(a thanksless 357 job no doubt), and there have been very few times I personally have run out 358 of space(just the other day though). Anyway, lets agree on a margin 359 that everyone can be happy with. 360 361 Regarding 'The Day After' and the following panel discussion which I thought 362 was more enlightening on the current situation than the movie was : 363 I think the movie did its purpose in provoking much more dialogue on the 364 subject of 365 nuclear weapons. Most of the people I have talked to at school and work 366 watched Ted Koppel handle national big wigs, and were quite impressed 367 with both him and the people on the panel, except for the jewish philosopher. 368 I agree someone like him should have been there, but I thought he didn't 369 do a very effective job of getting his point of view across. One must wonder 370 if he was invited because he was a philosopher, or because he was jewish, 371 and has lived through one holocoust already. We even got to hear 372 Carl Sagen say 'Billions and Billions'... He 373 Henry Kissenger was his usual self, talking about how he started this 374 dialogue 25 years ago, and how he wrote the book, etc... 375 Enough of this for now. Anyone else have any opinions on the panel? Anyone 376 else care to comment at all? Or is the general concensus that we pick a new 377 discussion? 378 To Jody : How about sometime around noon? Is that OK with you? And we 379 meet initially at the video game place? And on top of all this, I have a 380 R&R trivia question for you that of you can answer, well let's just say 381 it it tough, but not impossible. 382 au revoir 383 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 384 385 CARL SAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 386 387 388 Thanks, PAM---I needed that. How logic does become you! Truce? FORREAL 389 ........................................................................ 390 *:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*: 391 LUKE: SATURDAY AROUND NOON IS FINE WITH ME. I WILL BE THERE. I AM LOOKING FOR- 392 WARD TO YOUR R&R TRIVIA QUESTION. IF ITS ABOUT VAN HALEN I SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY 393 PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. I WILL GIVE IT A TRY THOUGH. 394 AU REVOIR- 395 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:-JODY-:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:P.S.:*:* 396 HAPPY THANKS GIVING TO ALL!!!!!!!! 397 SPECIAL THANKSGIVING WISHES GO TO: 398 399 LUKE, PAM, AARON, MY BROTHER 'REV.MOSES', ALEX, ANON, ANALOG 400 ALAN, CYSTOP MIKEY/MIKE, HROGATHAR(IS THE SPELLING EVEN CLOSE?) 401 AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DOM;WHEREVER HE MAY BE. 402 403 IF I HAVE LEFT ANYONE OUT WHO'S OPINION I RESPECT GREATLY, 404 PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I MIGHT OF FORGOTEN YOU ON A SCREEN BUT NOT IN MY HEART. 405 406 HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY! 407 *:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:JODY:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:* 408 409 LEROY - ARE YOU STILL THERE? 410 411 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:* 412 FOR CARL SAGAN TO BE ELECTED PRESIDENT 413 HE WOULD NEED BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ! 414 415 DJJ 416 417 But if Carl Sagan ran for president, how many votes would he get? 418 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 419 420 I for one would feel greatly relieved if one of such competence was elected 421 Perhaps it is time for a scientist President ??. 422 Someone with an objective greater than his own ambition ? 423 424 :::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 425 %#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%# 426 MY SISTER WOULD VOTE FOR HIM. 1 VOTE. I BET HE'D BEAT REAGAN!! 427 OH WELL. 428 429 #%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#% 430 431 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 432 Carl Sagen for president? He is certainly well known enough. He seems to have 433 a great deal of common sense. And being a man of science, we could certainly hop 434 he would use his scientific judgement to make desisions instead of rash 435 emotionalism. But would people vote for him? Would someone like him get any 436 help from the main political parties. Like it or not, I don't think we are 437 ever going to see a president who doesn't fit in the mainstream political 438 mold. 439 Is anyone watching or will be watching the WARGAMES series on ABC? Edwin 440 Muskey as president(it's probably as close as he'll ever come), and several 441 former administration personel in other various roles. 442 |||| 443 To Jody...OK...Saturday around noon at the electric whatever. I hope this 444 turns out good. I will wear brown. a bien tot 445 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 446 447 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 448 I can't tell you how the third world war will be fought, but I can tell you 449 how the fourth would be. With sticks and stones. 450 Actually, though I can confidently say there will not be a full scale nu- 451 clear confrontation. 452 By the way d, where've you been? Too busy to come play with my new Commodore 453 toy? Anyhey, I know yours is better, but......... 454 455 456 ALL: It sounds like we need an organizer for this party to get organized. 457 Hayden sounds good to me and "d" agrees. So 458 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 459 DEBORAH 460 ******************************************************************** 461 WHERE AM I? GAD, I'VE BEEN SO BUSY OF LATE THAT I MISSED TWO WHOLE DISKS! 462 LUCKILY I CAN GO BACK AND READ THEM. I SEE THAT THE DAY AFTER HAS GENERATED 463 THE EXPECTED RESULTS (SO WHAT?) BE THAT AS IT MAY, I FOUND IT TO BE A BIG 464 BORE. I'VE SEEN MUCH BETTER GRADE 'B' S.F. MOVIES WITH THE SAME PLOT AND 465 STORY LINE. THE ONLY THING THAT MADE THIS MOVIE EVEN NOTICIBLE WAS THE 466 CRY OF FOUL BY THE NUCLEAR PRO AND CON FOLK. MAIN WORRY? THAT THE PEOPLE 467 IN CHARGE OF THIS MESS ARE AS EMOTIONAL ABOUT THE ISSUE AS FALWELL AND 468 FRIENDS. I'VE HEARD FACTS AND FIGURES FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET THAT 469 ARE SO BLOATED AND BLOWN OUT OF SHAPE AS TO BE TOTALY UNRECOGNIZIBLE FROM 470 THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF THE DATA (SOME OF IT HAS JUST PLAIN BEEN MADE UP). 471 THE FACT THAT NO ONE IS TREATING THE SUBJECT RATIONALLY (EVEN CARL SAGEN 472 IS USING EMOTIONAL EXCITATION TO 'PROVE' HIS FACTS) IS WHAT FRIGHTENS ME 473 MORE THEN ANY OTHER ASPECT. THE MOST BEFUDLING THING I FIND IS THE CONCEPT 474 THAT WE 'MUST' BUILD MORE AND MORE BOMBS TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING USED, OR 475 PREVENT KADDAFY ET AL FROM MAKING ANY. SAY WHAT?!! WHAT WARPED SENSE OF 476 MIND CONCEIVED THAT THOUGHT? IF KADDAFY WANTS A BOMB HE'LL GET A BOMB, 477 IF ANYTHING THE ENORMOUS VOLUME OF EXISTING BOMBS MAKES IT ALL THAT EASIER TO 478 EASIER TO NICK ONE, OR TO DIG UP THE SPARE PARTS TO MAKE YOUR OWN. ALL IN 479 ALL, I AM VERY UNIMPRESSED. OH YES, IN REGARD TO A PREVIOUS STATEMENT THAT 480 SOMEONE MADE TO THE EFFECT THAT IF YOU SEE THE BLAST, IT'S TOO LATE, THAT 481 IS PURE POPYCOCK. THAT ASPECT OF THE BOMB IS WELL KNOWN AS TO ITS EFFECTS 482 BOTH IN REAL TESTS, AND IN USE. TALK TO SOME OF THE SURVIVORS OF HIROSHIMA 483 OR NAGASAKE. YOU DO A MAJOR DISSERVICE TO THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE 484 THIS MADNESS ENDED TO EXAGERATE TO SUCH EXTREMES. FOR IF YOU WOULD 485 EXAGERATE IN THAT, THEY CANNOT HELP BUT WONDER AT WHAT ELSE YOU ARE 486 EXAGERATING AT. BUT ANYWAY, ON TO OTHER THINGS... 487 d: YES, THE PACKAGE WAS RECEIVED. THANK YOU (BELATED) 488 JODY: THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS. 489 PAM: HELLO? TRUE, BUT THEN IT IS DIFFICULT TO COMMUNICATE IN ANY FORM WHEN 490 I AM NO WHERES AROUND TO COMMUNICATE WITH. I HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND MUCH 491 TO DO MUCH COMMUNICATING WITH BY ANYONE OF LATE. BUSY BUSY BUSY... 492 SO HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ONE AND ALL!!! (SK??) Snicker.. 493 ****** FROM YOUR CURRENTLY BLOATED AND STUFFED CISTOP MIKEY *************** 494 P.S. 'CYSTOP'? TSK TSK BLOATED (CURRENTLY) MAYBE, BUT DISEASED? TSK TSK 495 ************************************************************************* 496 help 497 498 499 run stop 500 /Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/ 501 /Z/Z/ XENON /Z/Z/ 502 WHY DOES THIS 503 SYSTEM THROW ME 504 OUT OF ENTER MODE? 505 (W/OUT ENTERING 506 THE LINE) 511 512 /Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/ 513 514 Thoughts on "The Day After": 515 516 As others have said, the movie was not all that the media led us to 517 believe. However, I must point out that the panel discussion was 518 probably one of the more lucid discussions of the nuclear arms 519 issue that has been delivered before a live audience over a public 520 media source. I wish that there had been more time for McNamara to talk 521 about his ideas and for discussion of other strategies for disarmament 522 and the easing of world tensions. Many forget that international 523 relations are a bit like children dealing with each other at the ages 524 of 6-15. They try to find some kind of identity for themselves in 525 terms of the others around them. This analogy is simplistic, but the 526 idea is there in the main. Substitute the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. 527 for a couple of the children and you have the picture. The problem 528 is that the stakes are much higher than personal identity, pride, 529 or a bloody nose. Millions of lives and the existence of states hang 530 in the balance. It is so easy to view international relations in a 531 simplistic way because we have either forgotten the above analogy or 532 have no experience with a world bigger and more complicated than our 533 own small, private worlds of work, family, and personal needs. 534 One reason the Europeans have such a seemingly different view of 535 international relations is that they have had to deal with different 536 cultures, ideas, and political systems in close proximity. This is 537 not to say that they have been always successful, but they have done 538 fairly well since World War II. The U.S and the Soviet Union have 539 not faired so well. The "Bully" syndrome of the little kid applies 540 here especially well. If you have more power than the people around 541 you, the temptation to exercise it is hard to resist. That seems to 542 be the way of the world. As Kissinger said on the panel, our task 543 is to learn how to recognize when either party is under the "power" 544 influence and move back to a position where the problems can be dealt 545 with in a way that is not threatening to the "national ego" of the 546 partys involved. 547 548 BACH 549 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 550 551 Speaking of which, why did Beethoven get rid of all of his chickens? 552 553 Because they kept saying "Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach......" 554 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 555 WATCHED DAY AFTER TOO BUT DIDNT WATCH THE POLITICAL FRACUS---SEEMS TO ME 556 THAT THE POLITICIANS WHO MAKE THE MANY COMPROMISES AND CHOICES BASED ON 557 THEIR OWNB POLITICAL PRESSURES WERE PROBABLY STILL DOING THE SAME THIONG\ 558 AGAIN AND SO WATCHING THEM DISCUSS A PROBLEM LIKE NUCLEAR WAR ON TV IS MORE 559 LIKE WATCHING A SOAP OPERA AND CERTAINLY BY NO MEANS REFLECTS THE REAL 560 COMPROMISES THAT ALL POLITCIANS HAVE MADE SINCE POLITICIAN CAME IN TO BEING 561 THE TRUTH IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE OF ALL RACES AND NATIONAL GROUPS REALIZE THAT 562 POLITICAL AND RACIAL BARRIERS ONLY CONTINUE THE DIVISIVE NATIONALISM THEN 563 WE AS A HUMAN FAMILY MIGHT BE ON THE TRTACK TO CONTINUING OUR SPECIES. 564 IF ALL HUMAN BEINGS 565 WERE STRIPPED BARE WITH NEITHER CLOTHING FOOD SHELTER POLITICS RACE DIFFEREN 566 CES OR ANY OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OF LIFE ME MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT 567 MAN IS ONE MAN 568 SO IN CON CONCLUSION IT MIGHT BE BETTER IF 569 SOME ONE BIGGER THAN OURSELVES WERE TO REDUCE THGE HUMAN FAMILY TO THE 570 PRVIOUSLY MENTIONED STATE OF DRESS ETC. IN ORDER TO TEACH HUMANKIND THE 571 LESSON THAT WE ARE TRULY ON MANKIND. 572 OFF 573 ********************************************************************* 574 COME ON, ISN'T ANYONE GOING TO FILL THIS DISK UP BEFORE DRIVE A GETS FULL? 575 **** CYSTOP MIKEY <AHEM> ********************************************** 576 577 A lot of bull about man being stripped naked and realizing "THE TRUTH" 578 isnt quite dealing with reality. The world as it stands is made up of a 579 lot of scared and ignorant people, ourselves included. Let's channel our 580 intellect and energy toward a lower and more realistic goal: tolerant 581 coexistence. 582 585 Well be lucky to achieve that! 586 587 It's all a matter of communication. As technology increases communication 588 it may also cause communication to outstrip escalation. Buty that's later, 589 son, right? 590 591 592 593 594 WELL, SINCE NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO FINISH THIS DISK OFF 595 I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO. 596 597 THIS IS REALY NOT EASY TO JUST COME UP WILL 598 A BUNCH OF JUNK TO PUT OUT HERE WITHOUT ANYTHING 599 OF IMPORTANCE BEING SAID. 600 SINCE THIS DISK WILL SOON BE PUSHED INTO THE ARCHIVES 601 AND NO ONE WILL EVEN SEE THIS. 602 603 BUT, I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SINCE I WANT TO 604 ARCHIVE THIS DISK NOW WHILE I'M DOING 605 THE REST OF THE DISKS. 606 607 TYPICALY I HAVE BEEN RUNNING BACKUPS ONCE A MONTH 608 I USE TO ONLY DO THEM EVERY SIX MONNTHS, 609 BUT THE INCREASE OF ACTIVITY HERE THIS LAST YEAR 610 HAS CAUSED ME TO HAVE TO DO IT ONCE A MONTH. 611 612 I NORMALLY MAINTAIN A STOCK OF 10 TO 12 DISK 613 FOR USE WITH BWMS AND WHEN THEY FILL UP 614 I THEN UPLOAD THEM TO AN 8 INCH CPM DISK 615 FOR PERMINATE ACHIVING. 616 617 THE OLD BWMS DISKS ARE THEN RECYLED 618 FOR USE ON BWMS AGAIN. 619 620 BUT ANYWAY, I SEE THAT I STILL HAVE 621 ABOUT 10 LINES LEFT, AND I AM TRYINNG 622 TO DECIDE WHAT ELSE TO SAY TO 623 FILL THIS THING UP. 624 SO I GUESS I'LL 625 JUST TYPE 626 SHORTER AND SHORTER 627 LINES UNTIL IT'S DONE. 628 WELL, THAT ABOUT DOES IT, SO I GUESS I'LL GO ARCHIVE THIS DISK. 629 ************ CISTOP MIKEY ********* 27 NOV 83 ***** 7:00PM *********