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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask......
2 ************************** REMOVED: 13 SEP 83 **************************
3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
6 THIS SYSTEM.
7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
20 use the replace command to replace the line.
21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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25 Unlike the jerks who were let loose on the previous disk, I have no intention of
26 leaving a 300-line download. Everybody say Yay!!!!!!!!!
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28 TO THE PERSON WORRIED ABOUT ME ERASING YOUR MESSAGES, YOU MUST HAVE ME
29 CONFUSED WITH SOMEONE ELSE...I NEVER ERASE ANYONE ELSE'S MESSAGES
30 GO DUCKS!!!!
31 DUCK FAN
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33
34 !@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@!@#$%^&*()_+_)((*&^%$#@!@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@!@$%^&*()*&^%$#@#$%^&*
35 To Peaceful Paul...
36
37 Sorry, but no NUTS allowed on this system. Take your ever-lovin peacenick garbage back to where you
38 found it. We don't want it, never have, never will. Why you have the nerve to upload
39 an unedited session to this system! You didn't do a damn thing to clean it up. You just
40 stick it on here wasting perfectly good disk space. How dare you! Pleave leave us sir, and never return!
41 @!#%$^$%^%$(^&#%(^&(&@#(%#$(^)#@#%@#)$%@#%&%&#$%&#{body}amp;^#!(^#*^(#&^(!#&^&(^&{body}amp;)*{body}amp;*
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43 TESTY.....TESTY.....TESTY
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45 PERHAPS IT WAS A BIT VERBOSE HOWEVER PEACE DOES HAVE ITS ADVANTAGES !
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49 SEEMS TO ME THAT A LOT OF YOU ARE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. PERHAPS PAUL DID THAT DOWNLOAD, BUT PERHAPS NOT. IT WASN'T
50 SIGNED, SO WHO KNOWS? AND WHO CARES? IT REALLY ISN'T THAT IMPORTANT, IS IT?
51 TO WILLY, WHO ACCUSED EVERYONE OF ERASING HIS MESSAGES, I KNOW THAT I DIDN'T ERASE IT. WHEN I SIGNED ONTO THE
52 SYSTEM, THERE WAS 1 ( YES FOLKS, THAT'S 1, COUNT 'EM, 1 ) LINE LEFT, THAT BEING 629, WITH JUST A CARRIAGE RETURN,
53 AND I USED IT FOR MY MESSAGE. I ERASED NOTHING, AND PLAN TO ERASE NOTHING. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU ERASED MY MESSAGE
54 IN ORDER TO ENTER YOUR DIATRIBE, SO IT SEEMS THE ONLY ONE GUILTY OF THIS LITTLE "CRIME" IS YOU. THE DUCK FAN RESPONDED
55 THAT HE DIDN'T EITHER, SO OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DID ENTER A MESSAGE, IT WAS ERASED BY SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T ENTER ANYTHING.
56 OH, BY THE WAY WILLY, YOU COULD SAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR EVERYONE ELSE IF YOU SET THE MARGINS TO 126. IT'S NOT HARD TO
57 DO, AND ALLOWS YOU MORE ROOM TO BE MUCH TOO WORDY (LIKE ME!!!).
58 REGARDING THE QUESTION AS TO USAGE OF THE WORD PERFORM. TODAY, EVERYONE CONNECTS THE WORD WITH ACTORS OR MUSIC,
59 WHICH IS ONE DEFINITION, BUT NOT THE ONLY ONE. PERFORM ALSO MEANS "TO CARRY OUT AN ACTION; EXECUTE; DO; TO CARRY
60 THROUGH TO COMPLETION AN ACTION OR UNDERTAKING." THIS COMES FROM THE LATIN "PAR" (THOROUGHLY) AND "FOURNIR" (TO
61 ACCOMPLISH). SO IT WAS A CORRECT USAGE, THOUGH APPARENTLY A CONFUSING ONE. I'LL TRY TO BE CLEARER IN THE FUTURE.
62 AH, THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!! IT'S SO MUCH FUN!!
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64 [][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][]
65 P.S. WILLY, IF YOUR MESSAGE WAS JUST A CARRIAGE RETURN WITH NO OTHER INPUT, I MUST PLEAD GUILTY. OTHERWISE.....
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69 DID PEACEFUL PAUL REALLY DOWNLOAD THAT AVOCADO JUICE FROM CALIFORNIA? MAYBE
70 HE'S AN NSA DIRTY TRICKSTER OUT TO WRECK THE FREE NETWORKS BY MAKING
71 EVERYBODY QUARREL. MAYBE HE'S THE SUPERIOR BEING FROM SPACE WE HEARD ABOUT.
72 WHAT WILL WE ASK HIM FOR IF WE CAN CONVINCE HIM WE ARE WORTH THE TROUBLE?
73 MAYBE TO RESTRAIN HIMSELF FROM SENDING US MORE DREGS FROM THE WINE COUNTRY.
74 MAYBE HE'S REALLY TIMOTHY LEARY. MAYBE HE DIDN'T DO IT. I THINK HE DID
75 DO IT. ON THE OTHER HAND, WILLY, I DON'T THINK THEY DID DO IT. MAYBE
76 THERE'S A BUG IN THE SYSTEM. WELCOME BACK TO THE INN, BY THE WAY. PUSH
77 ONE OF THE BODIES OUT OF A CHAIR AND REST YOURSELF.
78 BATPOOP THE MAGNIFICENT
79 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
80 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^
81 To all:
82 I was the one that complained about having his message erased. I am sorry if I falsely accused anyone who is innocent.
83
84 To Leonard:
85 About the superconductors, I am guessing but wouldn't that mean that the loop would maintain any current that was induced
86 in it. If so, then that would support my idea that a 0/0 situation can be satisfied by any real number. I don't have
87 the formula for black hole decay and would appreciate it if you could dig it up.
88 BYE BYE THE DOCTOR
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90 BAT
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92 at poop has to be magnificent.
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95 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
96 - Doctor - your representation of the 4th dimension is fairly standard; it is -
97 - just an extension of Euclidean geometry. It is satisfactory, however. -
98 - If you've every seen Cosmos, the show narrated by Carl Sagan, they have -
99 - theories on the 4th dimension. For instance, take a straight line. Connect -
100 - lines to it so that they are all right angles to each other. You get a -
101 - square. -
102 - Now connect lines to the square so that all of the lines are still at -
103 - right angles to each other. You get a cube. When you connect MORE lines to -
104 - the cube, but still keep all of the lines at right angles to each other, you-
105 - get a 4th dimensional figure called a tesseract. -
106 - Moreover, Carl Sagan also pointed out that despite we do not have the -
107 - sensory apparatus necessary to "see" a 4th dimensional tesseract, we DO have-
108 - the necessary equipment to see its shadow. Much in the same way a 3-dimen- -
109 - sional cube casts a 2-dimensional shadow, a 4-dimensional tesseract casts -
110 - a 3-dimensional shadow, which by the way, looks somewhat like a cube within -
111 - a cube connected at the vertices. -
112 - -
113 - Keep it coming; this is getting interesting.........................Pioneer -
114 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
115 - P.S. To the person on Drive B (?), I do not see how we are 4-dimensional -
116 - creatures as we (as far as we know) only exist in one time at a time. -
117 - Also, the term "Think about it." is rather irritating to me, as it seems -
118 - to imply that I am lazy and more thought is necessary to produce an answer. -
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121 To All:
122 I've been away from here for quite a while (business) and now I see that there
123 is another here that is using my name to sign his messages. I will from
124 now on sign my messages P.Abbus to
125 prevent having anyone confuse
126 me with this alleged human-being.
127 Paul Abbus
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129
130 TO: ALL
131 FROM: BACH
132 re Current phone number and status of the CORKBOARD BBS (Stan Dolson, Van Perley SYSOPs)
133
134 Anyone who can help please leave a message on the BBS for BACH. Much obliged.
135 DOC I THINK THAT THE CONCLUSION ABOUT INFINITE SOLUTIONS TO 0/0 CAN BE
136 INFERRED BUT NOT TOO STRONGLY FROM THE EXAMPLE OF THE SUPERCONDUCTING LOOP,
137 FOR THESE REASONS: AMPEREAGE IS A MEASURE OF ELECTRONS/SECOND PASSING
138 THROUGH A WIRE. A GIVEN WIRE WILL HAVE A LIMIT ON ITS CAPACITY FOR ELECTRONS.
139 IF THE WHOLE THING HAS A NET CHARGE THERE CAN BE MORE THAN JUST THE NUMBER
140 OF ELECTRONS IN THE WIRE, BUT STILL A FINITE CAPACITY. THEREFORE THE
141 NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS IS WITHIN LIMITS. SECOND, SINCE ELECTRONS ARE DISCRETE
142 UNITS, YOU HAVE AN INTEGER SOLUTION. AN INTEGER SOLUTION WITHIN LIMITS LIKE
143 THAT GIVES YOU A FINITE NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS.
144 PRINT
145 SINCE THE FOUR DIMENSIONS OF SPACETIME ARE THOSE WE ARE ORDINARILY
146 CONCERNED WITH, ONE CAN SAY THAT WE ARE FOUR DIMENSIONAL OF COURSE. THAT
147 ALL THOSE TIMES IN ONES LIFE ARE NOT NOW IS IRRELEVANT. THE FOURTH
148 DIMENSION OF TIME IS MORE RELEVANT TO US IN DAY TO DAY THAN THE FOURTH DIMENSION
149 OF A TESSERACT OR THE FOURTH DIMENSION OF A SCREEN ARRAY, FOR THAT MATTER.
150 00000000000000000)))))))))))))))))))))))))BATPOOP THE MAGNIFICENT++++++++++++
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152 My opinion of the 'thinking' on this system would be greatly increased if indeed people would 'think' about their messages.
153 First, to Pioneer: We are obviously four-dimensional, even though you can't see it. We exist, we will exist, and we have
154 existed. The fourth dimension. We cannot see this fourth dimension because our very thought processes are governed by
155 it. But surely you could have thought of this yourself? But no, anyone irritated with the phrase 'think about it' is
156 irritated because he recognizes that it clearly describes his problem: Lack of thought.
157 And as for the idea of the 'tesseract', I believe you have used the incorrect word. Perhaps you meant
158 hypercube.
159 As for the tempest-in-a-teapot over 0/0. Mathematicians wisely leave this value undefined, why can't you?
160 Anyone who has taken calculus (apparently a small fraction of the users on this system) recognizes that the theory
161 of limits allows a large (infinite) number of solutions to a fraction of the form X/Y where both X and Y tend to 0.
162 Note that this is for the LIMIT, not the actual value!
163 As for the feeble attempt to put 0/0 in concrete terms, superconductors are not the way to go. First, current
164 is limited by magnetic field, not by resistance. Second, magnetic flux is discrete (some day you may learn what this means).
165 Finally, as for the discussion of black holes: I doubt whether anyone who has ever used this system has even one
166 tenth enough mathematics and physics to begin to UNDERSTAND the significance of black holes. (Myself included). Wild ideas
167 may be entertaining, but they don't enlighten.
168 I'm always on the lookout for pseudoscientific nonsense, and I've found some blatant examples. One: In a non-local
169 newspaper a few years ago, there was an article concerning the following question: Would adding salt to water cause it to
170 boil faster? Everyone wrote in stating their theories, but the general consensus was that if adding salt to water decreased
171 its boiling point, that would speed boiling, and slow boiling if adding salt increased the BP.
172 Well, then the argument changed: What effect on BP did adding salt have? The answers were roughly mixed 50/50.
173 Each person claimed to know THE TRUTH. Even many of the people whose answers were correct had terrible reasons. Fortunately
174 I had almost completed a class on CHEMICAL THERMODYNAMICS, which meant that I not only knew the correct answer, but could
175 calculate the precise amount the BP was changed. I could also describe WHY the effect happened. But I chose not to write
176 in, since it was clear that the truth would not set them free.
177 By the way, more than one of the people who got the wrong answer claimed to be science teachers for high schools/jr highs.
178 It just goes to show....
179 Notice that I haven't given the correct answer. Anyone know it?
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182 all:
183 if anyone out there wants to say nasty things about me (or anything
184 about me),just write it past column 80,my terminal slices at this point
185 (dont most?);on the other hand,if you address me,stay within MA 76,as
186 this allows me to read your message in NU Y mode as well.....
187
188 above (unsigned):
189 bravo! a clear thinker finally lends an air of rationality to this
190 pseudo-scientific/travel thru black holes/ 0/0 /super-conducting
191 hodge-podge of bar-room philosophy.................
192
193 gregor/flowers:
194 have eithier of you had math past algebra? or science past Chem 101?
195 or philosophy past "Begining Logic"? or schooling past high school?
196 (Don't answer that,Kim); if so, act like it; if not, it sure shows.....
197
198 The Master
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218 - Master... I have taken PRE-Algebra, Algebra I & II and a -
219 - bit of geometry here and there. Aaron? What happened? New -
220 - name or something? I was gonna do that myself, but you beat -
221 - me to it. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA HA! -
222 - -
223 - To someone above, Pioneers' word for tesseract was correct. -
224 - A "HYPERCUBE" is not a cube within a cube, but a cube aside -
225 - a cube. This then casts a 3 dimensional shadow much like a -
226 - tesseract, but is not! A Hypercube is one cube set aside -
227 - themselves, at 1 cube a distance and all angles are not 90 -
228 - degrees. The term "HYPERCUBE" referrs to the shadow. Oh -
229 - well.... -
230 - -
231 - Pioneer... If you think about it for a while, the Doctors' -
232 - theory (fact?) on the infinite number is correct. For a big -
233 - example, divide the number 0 by 5. You get 0, because 5 -
234 - can't go into 0. Now, divide 5 by 0, and you cant even get -
235 - 0! This is because 0 has no incremental vaule, therefore, -
236 - something without a incremental value must be infinite. -
237 - -
238 - Another thing I'd like to know.... What would happen if an -
239 - immovable object met up with an unstobbable force? -
240 - -
241 - TRON -
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244 - This WAS an interesting discussion until people started to remark on the -
245 - lack of other people's education. That took some of the spice out of it. -
246 - Master, you are correct - I haven't taken enough math for discussions -
247 - like these - they just don't teach that stuff in high school. Yet. Mostly, -
248 - I regurgitate thoughts & ideas and various other theories while adding a -
249 - few thoughts of my own. -
250 - I get most of my interesting information out of Isaac Asimov's Science -
251 - Fiction Magazine, so pardon me if it's mostly science fiction. I don't know -
252 - too much better. -
253 - I thought up something funny some time ago: Assume Time is infinite, i.e.-
254 - it goes on forever and ever. Therefore, there has to be an infinite number -
255 - of days. If there are an infinite number of days, then it stands to reason -
256 - that there an infinite number of holidays. -
257 - Since infinity = infinity and cannot equal any other number, every day -
258 - should be a holiday. Unfortunately, common sense dictates that every day is -
259 - NOT a holidy. You can find that out by looking at your calendar. -
260 - Whether or not we are four-dimensional remains to be seen. We can think -
261 - back through our lifetime in an instant, or imagine a time in the future, -
262 - but does that mean we are four-dimensional? (Does that mean that that state -
263 - ment is clear? I don't think it is.) -
264 - I am relying on my description of a fourth-dimensional being, which, -
265 - being a guess is necessarily insubstantial. -
266 - Let's talk about something else since the people who are "interested" in -
267 - this discussion can only voice derogatory comments. How about the new video -
268 - game they are developing somewhere (Calfornia?) which is mind controlled. I -
269 - heard that it works on the principle of the lie detector. -
270 - What kind of reactions would the human body have if I thought: "up", -
271 - "down", "right", "left", "backward" & "forward" ? ..................Pioneer -
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275 TRON, THE EXISTENCE OF AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT DISALLOWS THE EXISTENCE OF AN IRRESISTABLE FORCE, AND VICE VERSA.
276 IF AN OBJECT IS IMMOVABLE, THERE CAN BE NO FORCE THAT COULD MOVE IT, AND SO NO FORCE COULD BE DEFINED AS IRRESISTABLE.
277 IF A FORCE IS IRRESISTABLE, THERE CAN BE NOTHING THAT CAN RESIST IT, AND SO NO OBJECT COULD BE DEFINED AS IMMOVABLE.
278 THE DEFINITIONS ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, AND DISALLOW EACH OTHER. THEREFORE, NO ANSWER CAN BE GIVEN.
279 MASTER, WHILE I APPLAUD THE LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE IN YOUR (AND UNSIGNED'S) COMMENTS, I CANNOT CONSIDER THOSE
280 STATEMENTS AS "CLEAR THINKING", AS THEY ARE FILLED WITH AD HOMINEM ARGUMENTS, REACTION BASED ON EMOTION RATHER THAN
281 THOUGHT, AND A GREAT DEAL OF EGO. SELF SERVING STATEMENTS AND MACHO POSTURING DON'T MAKE FOR "CLEAR THINKING".
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283 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][]
284 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
285 pioneer/doctor:
286 my apologies,i might have went to far...i find as my irk and ire at
287 some of these topics increase,my propensity to stoop to name calling
288 does also.....my apologies again.....
289
290 as for infinity=infinity, no, that isnt always true.....
291 does a line segment have less points on it than an infinite line?
292 well, yes, it does........aleph null and aleph 1 and all that jazz....
293 Aaron
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295 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^
296 TO BATPOOP, MASTER, AND UNSIGNED:
297 First of all, I did not bring up the idea of superconduction. Leonard
298 brought it up, and the only used Ohm's law and I responded in same. I know
299 that there is much more than Ohm's law (magnetic flux, etc.) governing the
300 current of a semiconductor. As for the other problems encountered in using
301 superconduction as an example (integers, etc), the are due to the nature of
302 electrons, not the nature of 0/0.
303 As to my education, I have had math up to calculus, general physics, and
304 general chemistry. I'll be a freshman at OSU.
305
306 ERRATA: Semiconductor above should have been superconductor.
307
308 And to all of you who took shots at those of us who are talking about black
309 holes, 0/0, etc., I am not too impressed by YOU either. We make no claims
310 to be experts, physicists <sp?>, or anything else. We were only communicating
311 some of our ideas to others who were interested. If you don't like that,
312 don't read the messages, or better yet point out where we are wrong, I
313 appreciate INTELLIGENT and CONSTRUCTIVE comments. After all, the purpose
314 of this system is to have a forum to exchange ideas, and I LOVE IT!
315
316 TO MASTER: Did you ever flunk TACT 101? Because if you did, IT SHOWS!!!!!!!!!
317
318 Hey XENON, what about another puzzle...
319
320 Hey Charlotte, where are you?
321
322 Anybody else have any comments on the above?
323
324 BYE THE DOCTOR
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329 Doctor, I'm here, thanks for asking. But what I really want to do is talk to
330 PAM,,
331 Thanks for the information on the 1982
332 Magazine. I'll make every effort to
333 obtain it.
334 After working with the Sexual Assault Prevention Unit in Crime Prevention at
335 PPD, I generally agree with your comment on RAPE//
336 Yes, a high percent of RAPES occur between acquaintances, and yes, it is very
337 difficult to report a "date RAPE, or even worse, a "husband RAPE". However we
338 encourage women who are RAPED, as well as the spouse or loved one to REPORT,
339 mainly because the statistics HAVE PROVEN, (here's one for you,) that the
340 majority of men who RAPE will repeat the Crime. This will probably cause a stir
341 on this system but that's ok. Again, thanks for the info.
342
343
344 Charlotte
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347 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
348 - To all, Somewhere I heard that the scientists have discover -
349 - ed a new solar system in the Alpha Centuri system (our twin -
350 - star). Is this true? -
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352 - TRON -
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354 Answer: Scientists have discovered that surrounding a particular star, I forgot
355 which, is a significant emission of infrared. Conclusion? This must be some form of solid matter. This may either be solid
356 and formed like a planet, etc, or dust, rocks, boulders, etc. Scientists had never before actually demonstrated the
357 of solid matter around a star before. (not surprising, since they're so far away.)
358
359 To those that complain that their education is not the issue: Yes, it IS the issue. I reference a recent article
360 in Scientific American (month escapes me, but I'll look it up if necessary) that concerned people's misconceptions of
361 Physics. We all know that before Newton and his laws, people believed that objects that were thrown were kept moving
362 by the pressure of air behind them, that objects fell at speeds proportional to their weight, etc. Supposedly, that
363 is all behind us. But on the contrary, the article described research that indicated that a large percentage of the
364 population (in some cases over 50%) had various misconceptions along the lines of the pre-Newtonian physics. In fact,
365 even high-school physics students were often mistaken.
366 A number of the commonly held (and wrong) believes were totally ludicrous, while the rest were merely silly.
367 I won't go into the details, since the article was well-written and quite interesting, but it is clear that many people
368 aren't even qualified to discuss simple non-relativistic physics. Add to this the fact that relativistic physics is
369 quite non-intuitive and non obvious, and is even obscure to those who've had education in it, any discussion of it
370 on this BBS is futile and hopeless.
371
372 Sure, you can say that you have a "right" to talk about black holes. That's true, but you also have a "right" to believe
373 that the moon is made of green cheese, that 144,000 fairies can dance on the head of a pin, and that pigs can fly.
374 But until you stop displaying your ignorance of simple facts in math, physics, chemistry, astronomy, electronics, and
375 other areas of science, we have a right to consider your opinions worthless.
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377 WHO WOULD WRITE A TERMINAL PROGRAM THAT DIDN'T PROPERLY WRAP AROUND PAST THE
378 80TH COLUMN, ANYWAY? WHO WOULD BUY SUCH A PROGRAM?
379 *******
380 *******
381 One t
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384 *******
385
386 One thi
387 *******
388 ======================
389 go ducks !!!!!
390 from the elusive duck
391 ======================
392 hello jim
393 joeduck
394 =====================
395 ==================
396 does anyone love the
397 ducks as i do ???
398 joeduck
399 ====================
400
401 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
402 - Someone tried to imitate me and didn't do a very good job. -
403 - Some person put an obscene message on here in an attempt to -
404 - degrade me! All I know is that they used a 22 coulmn screen -
405 - which only the vic 20's use and their border was QUITE in- -
406 - correct! Watch yourself, TRON II I presume? You'll really -
407 - have a hard time making a fool of me! -
408 - the REAL TRON -
409 - Sysm... Did YOU do that!?!?!?!??!!?? -
410 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
411 **************
412 GO DUCKS!!!!
413 YES, JOEDUCK YOU ARE NOT ALONE; ALTHOUGH THE FIGHTING
414 DUCKS OFTEN TRY MY PATIENCE, LIKE TODAY FOR EXAMPLE...
415 OH WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS BASKETBALL.
416 GO DUCKS!!!!
417 DUCK FAN
418 **************
419
420 DUCKS SUCK....ESPECIALLY TODAY....
421 **************
422 =====================
423 yes, it is true......
424 joeduck does use a 22
425 column screen. yes,
426 it is also true that
427 joeduck loves the
428 ducks as only a true
429 green duck fan can.
430 but joeduck never
431 never never never
432 uses obscenities!
433 never!
434 go ducks !!!!!
435
436 =====================
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438 ma 79
439 ------------------------------------------------
440 I REALLY WISH THAT PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO CHANGE THE MARGIN
441 SETTINGS WOULD ALSO CHOOSE TO SET THEM BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WAS REASONABLE
442 AFTER THEY GET DONE WITH THEM!
443
444 Anyway I wonder at the motivations of the folks that have been taking up an awful lot of time with arguments that
445 a freshman in college hasn't seen since day one. I really would like to see a
446 little less ego and a LOT more creativity on this board, I've seen it before
447 and I know that you folks can pull it through again. Please you are looping
448 through this and it is getting rather tiresome.
449 With Respect,
450 P.Abbus
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453 Research Mode:
454 I would like to know why YOU bought a computer.
455 What do you use it for now?
456 What would you like to use it for?
457 What aspect of computers scared you the most?
458 How did you over come your fears of computers?
459 What do you think that the average person would like to see forom their
460 computer?
461 Why is your attention span so short?
462 What could your computer be used for (please disregard the previous
463 question, consider it a parity error).
464
465 How much would you pay for a program that would make your mini a
466 worth more to you (extra RAM and peripherals not included).
467 Bruce T.
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469 PAM: I would agree with your assesment of the unsigned person. Unfortunatly
470 it appears that your comment has left no impact upon the person. (Would a
471 baseball bat help?) The person spoke of erroronious statements and conclusions,
472 yet the very diatribe that was left was filled with those very things!
473 Ah well, There are those who would be afraid to explore the dark allies
474 and side streets for fear of discovering they might be wrong.
475 Charlotte: I notice that you speak only of female rape, what of male rape?
476 (I can hear it now from certain quarters of the Inn "There is no such thing
477 as male rape!" But indeed, what is rape? It is taking with out permission.
478 Typically rape is confused with arousal and permission. Sexual arousal is a
479 base emotion, and has little to do with permission. Many women who are raped
480 have been sexually aroused during the act, but that does not mean that the
481 permission is given. The same is true of a man, while it specifically is
482 required that the man be sexually aroused for the rape to take place, that
483 does not automatically presume permission. Of course this whole concept is
484 buried under the major aspect of rape which is of the female being raped.
485 It is highly uncommon for a male to be raped. In a way perhaps this is some
486 kind of statement on our society? I find the whole thing disgusting myself.
487 It is a shame that a crime such as this exists, and a shame that it will
488 probabally be here a thousand years from now. (Assuming that we are still
489 here, of which I have my doubts.)
490 ******* CISTOP MIKEY ****** 11 SEPT 83 ****** 2:30AM *******************
491 ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE RUSSIANS SHOTTING DOWN THE 747?
492
493 ****************************************
494 TO: Bill Bigoni
495 From: Mike Roland
496 Bill I need to get ahold of you this sunday
497 Kevin's brother is in town and would like to visit the children! So call as soon as possible!!!!
498 Thanx 0
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507 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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509 While it is apparent that there are those using this BBS who would be
510 likely to take up brain surgery after having a high school class on anatomy,
511 (even TRON inadvertantly proved that zero is infinite) I doubt that animousity
512 toward these persons will in any way disuade them or enhance the board
513 for other users. The nature of this board provides an opportunity for
514 those who noone would normally listen to, to make their opinions (qualified
515 or not) known. BBS's are likely to always be applied differently by
516 various users: Information medium, instrument of fantasy, ego-trip, comedy
517 hour, etc. LET IT BE!
518 Perhaps in the near future BBS's will be more specialized as to the users
519 interests. In the mean time I would
520 suggest to those who tend to delve
521 into areas in which they are not familiar, that they merely qualify
522 their statements as opinion, lest they be taken as fact. A small compromise.
523 Dirty Ol' Man
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527 FIRST TIME ON BWMS. I HAVE USE OF SPAIT TIME ON THE COMPANYS NORTHSTAR HORIZON AND WOULD LIKE TO MEET SOMEONE
528 THAT KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT.
529 J MAC
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531 Some people would argue that homosexuality is harmless to those caught up in it
532 and to American society in general. Mikey's comment brings up another in the
533 list of harms caused by homosexuality: male rape is not uncommon in the homo-
534 sexual world and its periphery. If rape is a manifestation of violence, then
535 homosexual males are supporting the incidence of violence in our society (read
536 "our downtowns and our neighborhoods"). Dave
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539 yes, Mike, a clear distinstion and a point well worth making........
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541 as to dave: (preface: i am not homosexual )
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544 ignoring the absurdity of your last note, I extend an invitation:
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546 What are the OTHER elements in the "list of harms"
547 caused by homosexuality?
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550 TO ALL
551 FROM ROBAT
552 SUBJECT::: CORKBOARD BBS PHONE NUMBER
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554 654-9352
555
556 THAT IS ALL...
557
558 EXIT
559 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
560
561 By the way, in response to line 617 on previous disk (now B), NO, I
562 would not want to perform rape with a toroidal black hole. The tidal
563 forces would rip my ..... into subatomic particles.
564
565 Dirty Ol' Man
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568 TO: ALL RE: 0
569 Just a thought, particularly to those who have programed in basic or some
570 other high level langauge. Think back on that last time you had a fight
571 with your program when you were writting it. Particularly involving the
572 division by zero that was hapening because you were feeding the equation
573 a zero in one of the variables. Now remeber how ticked off yo were because
574 you had to specifically trap for zero to handle it since the program would
575 blow up everytime it hit that point. Now think upon how many times it
576 either would not have mattered it the value had been zero, or you really
577 did want it to be zero with a result out of the equation as zero. How many
578 of you out there would much rather have had a zero result rather then
579 an ERROR stop? This is a quiz, the answers will be seen by all...
580 The idea behind all this, is that while adhering to exact rules of math
581 can be nice in most cases, there are areas that the rules may be more
582 trouble then they are worth particularly if they don't fit the appilcation.
583 (If everybody would rather have a zero result returned, then maybe
584 something is wrong with the rule.) (Now I'm probably in trouble with the
585 mathmaticians here, they tend to get very irrate when someone questions
586 their rules, since it is all they have to work with.)
587 ****** CISTOP MIKEY ********* SEPT 11, 1983 ****** 11:30 AM *************
588 If you think that's difficult, consider the solution to 0 to the zero-th
589 power. What is it? what do you think it is? Why? (I know the answer, it'
590 s actually defined.)
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592 MIKE, YOUR PHRASE "BASIC OR SOME OTHER HIGH-LEVEL LANGUAGE" ASSUMES THAT
593 BASIC IS A HIGH-LEVEL LANGUAGE. TALK TO DIJKSTRA OR WEIZENBAUM ABOUT
594 THIS.
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597 RHI,YALL... NEW SIGN IN, HERE...
598 RE: KAL 007 TRAGEDY... AS OF 111 SEPT 83 NEWS REPORTS 'FALSE' TRANSLATION
599 OF RUSSIAN PILOTS' CONVERSATION PRESENTED TO U-N SEC. COUNCIL BY U.S.A.
600 NEW TRANSLATION INDICATES THERE ACTUALLY WERE CANNONS FIRED (WARNING SHOTS?)
601 AT THE 747. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE THINGS ANY BETTER, BUT WE ARE BEING
602 LIED TO BY both SIDES. ALSO, THE SOVIETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TESTING
603 A NEW ANTI-MISSILE THAT SAME NIGHT.
604 WILL THE TRUTH EVER BE KNOWN?
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606 RE: HARMS CAUSED BY HOMOSEXUALITY... WHAT ABOUT HARMS CAUSED BY
607 HETEROSEXUALITY? SUCH AS OVER POPULATION, ETC. THERE IS NO REAL E
608 DIFFERENCE, ASIDE FROM THE OBVIOUS,
609 STEREOTYPES, BAR BRAWLS, RUDE PEOPLE, BARFING ON THE FLOOR, TOO MANY DRUGS,
610 CONVENTIONAL TWERPS... EVEN BIGOTRY AND RACISM. I BELEIVE TTHESE PROBLEMS
611 ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO EITHER HETERO- OR HOMOSEXUAL SCENES. WHY DON'T WE
612 TRY TO CONCENTRATE ON OUT COMMON INTERESTS RATHER THAT REASONS TO EXCLUDE A
613 SEGMENT OF HUMANITY. EVEN NON-GAYS GET A.I.D.S.!
614 --STAR-DUCK
615 How do you know this?
616 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
617 - Well, I have my own private theories about the way the 747 wandered into -
618 - Soviet airspace. My favorite theory was suggested to me by my General Elec- -
619 - tronics teacher at Parkrose High School. -
620 - His theory goes something like this: as some of you may know, there is a -
621 - worldwide radio-network designed to keep planes on course. Pilots just dial -
622 - in the right number and the autopilot follows the radio beam. -
623 - In America, most 747s have at least four pilots in the cockpit. All of -
624 - the pilots have to agree on the course set before the plane can take off. In-
625 - this way, no mistakes are made. In certain foreign airlines, the captain is -
626 - considered to be the supreme ruler - his decision is law. Thus, he could've -
627 - dialed in the wrong number and no one would've questioned him.......Pioneer -
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629 Wee! I got the last disk...the last disk...the last...the last...the...the.....