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The Jesus WE KNOW contrasted to the "Jesus" of Mormonism The one true Jesus of the BIBLE, of all eternity God the Son, who died that we may have eternal life; who paid the price of all sins; who has entered our lives and is walking with us in a personal relationship day by day -- is not known in Mormonism. The Jesus of Mormonism is an entirely different "Jesus". Let's examine what the leaders and prophets - the foundation of the Latter Day Saints Church - have said: "When the time came that His First-Born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father Himself came and favoured the Spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other MAN do it .... The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me" (BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 4:218) "The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father." (ORSON PRATT, The Seer, pg 158) "Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers ----- And Christ was born into the world as the Literal Son of this Holy Being; He was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born of a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; He was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for He is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says." (BRUCE R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine, pg 547,742) Brigham Young, to be consistent with his "Adam-God" doctrine, believed Adam was the literal father of Jesus Christ: "When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family ... Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the Garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven." (BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 1:50,51) As is evident in these statements, there is no Virgin Birth in Mormonism. On the other hand, the Bible clearly shows us: Matthew 1:18 Mary with child of the Holy Spirit 1:20 That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit 1:23 Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son Luke 1:35 The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you Further, the "Jesus" of Mormonism was married in polygamy and had children. This had to be so to be consistent with the doctrines of Joseph Smith, Junior. As Joseph reports as a "revelation" given him by God on July 12,1843: "I am the Lord thy God .... obey the instructions I am about to give unto you .... if ye abide not that covenant, then ye are damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter my Glory .... verily I say unto you, if man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant .... they shall be gods .... And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood - if any man espouses a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then he is justified .... and if he have ten virgins given unto him by the law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him." (JOSEPH SMITH, Doctrine & Covenants, 132:2,3,4,19,20,61,62) "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee, and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion." (ORSON HYDE, Journal of Discourses, 13:259) "How was it with Mary and Martha, and other women that followed Him? In old times, and it is common to this day, the women, even Sarah, called their husbands 'LORD' .... Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee .... We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed, before He was crucified .... I shall say here, that before the Saviour died, he looked upon His own natural children, as we look upon ours." (ORSON HYDE, Journal of Discourses, 2:81,82) The Bible states that Jesus is God the Son -- eternally existent with God the Father -- yet Mormon doctrine says Jesus was a spirit offspring of the Father; that Lucifer was the second spirit offspring (THEY WERE BROTHERS?!); followed by billions more - or each of us, for instance. We are "brothers" and "sisters" of Jesus Christ. Jesus is not the only begotten Son in Mormon Theology: "It makes me think of that second person that came forth in the heavens when the voice went forth: 'Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?'. The Eldest son said: 'Here am I'; but he did not say 'send me.' But the second one, which was 'Lucifer, Son of the Morning,' said, 'Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth." (BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 13:282) "The appointment of Jesus to be Saviour of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, Son of the Morning .... this spirit brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Saviour of Mankind." MILTON R. HUNTER (First Council of 70) The Gospel Through the Ages, pg 15 [1958] "Jesus Christ is also of our species .... I have heard sectarian priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid thinking at once of a mule." (BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 4:217) "There is no impropriety .... in speaking of Jesus Christ as the elder brother of the rest of human kind." (JAMES TALMAGE, ARTICLES OF FAITH, pg 473) In Mormonism, Jesus was a created being: "Jesus is man's spiritual brother. We dwelt with Him in the spirit world as members of that large society of our eldest brother." (MILTON R. HUNTER, Gospel Through the Ages, pg 21) "The devil is a spirit son of God who was born in the morning of pre-existence." (BRUCE R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine, "Devil", 1966 edition, pg 192) "There are three Gods - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." (BRUCE R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine,"God", pg 317) The REAL JESUS, the ONLY Son of God and God the Son, is proclaimed throughout the BIBLE! Look up these references and tie-ins of Old and New testaments declaring Jesus' Divinity and NOT being created: LOOK UP and COMPARE WITH ___________________________________________________ Psalm 24:10 I Corinthians 2:8 Psalm 45:6,7 Hebrews 1:8 Isaiah 8:13 I Peter 2:8 Isaiah 40:3 Matthew 3:3 Malachi 3:1 Matthew 11:10 Psalm 102:27 Hebrews 13:8 James 1:17 Psalm 102:25 Colossians 1:16 Psalm 102:26 Matthew 24:35 2 Peter 3:7,10 JOHN 1:1-3,14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made .... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the Glory as of the ONLY begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." COLOSSIANS 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" [Here 'firstborn' does not mean first 'spirit-child', rather a position of high honor - see verse 18, Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 1:5, and Psalm 89:27]. The next verses, 16 and 17, tell us, "For in Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are on the earth .... All things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist." HEBREWS 1:10 "Thou, Lord (Jesus), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thine hands." In Isaiah 44:24 God tells us that He "stretched forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Jesus, who IS the TRUTH and God the Father "have no lies within them" and are INCAPABLE OF TELLING A LIE. Jesus is God the Son, eternally One with the Father and the Holy Spirit, and not to be confused. God the Son is not God the Father and God the father is not God the Holy Spirit, but each entity is a part of the ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD. ISAIAH 9:6 "For unto us a child is born .... his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." MICAH 5:2 "Whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." MATTHEW 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, 'All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.'" PHILIPPIANS 2:6-10 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: .... was made in the likeness of men .... became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him .... That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow ...." Compare to Isaiah 45:22,23 for if Jesus is not God, then we worship two (or more) Gods! The Mormons, basically, do not worship Jesus, or pray to Him, only "through" Him.) COLOSSIANS 2:9 "For in Him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily" HEBREWS 1:3 "... The express image of His person ...." JOHN 5:23 "That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent Him." JOHN 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto Him, 'My Lord and my God.'" Jesus used the same descriptions of himself; I AM, ALPHA and OMEGA, FIRST and LAST; as used by God the Father: JESUS SAYING GOD __________________________________________________________ JOHN 8:58 I AM EXODUS 3:14,15 REV 22:13,16 ALPHA AND OMEGA REV 1:8 & 21:6 REV 1:17 REVELATION 21:6 2:8 FIRST AND LAST ISAIAH 44:6 22:13 48:12 Jesus is GOD the SON! Eternally God and not after, or created by, or a spirit child of God! Our Jesus is NOT the "Jesus" of Mormonism, and we are empowered, if we have accepted the true Jesus into our hearts, to give Thanks unto God for selecting us to reveal His True Son to us. HALLELUJAH and AMEN !!! For more information see below: This file has been brought to you by the ministry of the; Southern Maryland Christian Information Service BBS, (SMCIS) (301) 862-3160 HST P.O. Box 463 California, MD 20619 Sysop: Buggs Bugnon