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SpaceX Starlink TOS: the parties recognize Mars as a free planet

Author: tosh

Score: 61

Comments: 14

Date: 2020-10-28 01:25:35

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SheinhardtWigCo wrote at 2020-10-28 05:28:38:

You know you’re good at marketing when your terms of service go viral.

3PcabNCC wrote at 2020-10-28 12:43:09:

That should apply in orbit and on the Moon as well. I want Earth governments and their laws to have as little influence in space as possible. There is at least a chance that we can escape statism and live with less coercion and more voluntary cooperation in space.

bawolff wrote at 2020-10-28 06:47:18:

I wonder what the legal precedent here is from an international law perspective. Are courts likely to agree with that? (Not that they can do much about it if they don't)

teruakohatu wrote at 2020-10-28 08:16:28:

The Outer Space Treaty bans nations from claiming a celestial body or stationing weapons of mass destruction on them.

swarnie_ wrote at 2020-10-28 10:28:14:

Nations yes, what does it say about corporations making claims?

sudosysgen wrote at 2020-10-28 14:30:13:

Private property requires a state.

If you were to make it so that no nation can lay claim to space, rhen it wouldn't be possible to enforce a standard of property and thus corporate claims would be empty.

boon wrote at 2020-10-29 14:08:42:

Private property requires that a private individual stake a claim to it. Private property is mutually exclusive of a state. The state [typically] is the primary violator of private property by enforcement of some shared mode.

sudosysgen wrote at 2020-10-29 15:16:12:

This is not actually how it works in the real world. Private property cannot be upheld by individuals alone because of unsolvable issues in legitimizing any property claim, and therefore it is absolutely impossible to practically have any private property at all without having a state.

Indeed, looking back at history, the State was created essentially the same time that private property was created. This is not a coincidence.

boon wrote at 2020-10-29 16:04:19:

Odd. I would only assume people kept possessions they made (tools, weapons, trinkets, etc.) prior to any formal states existing (or pooled them voluntarily). But, then, you get into _de facto_ states and what that potentially means.

sudosysgen wrote at 2020-10-31 00:04:08:

Here it is useful to make a distinction between personal property and private property. The idea of having ownership over your direct fabrications is of course natural, but even then was fluid and affected by community need strongly.

Private property on the other hand, for example the ownership of land or resources, did not exist until the creation of the state, because private property in this sense was not possible without it.

In actuality, even some agricultural civilizations didn't develop private property, and it turns out that those that didn't are also the ones that didn't develop the state.

boon wrote at 2020-10-31 01:00:52:

Can you give me a better definition of "personal" vs "private", because I'm seeing all sorts of problems there.

klmadfejno wrote at 2020-10-28 14:08:09:

I wonder if we will see corporations evolve into nations at some point

selfhoster11 wrote at 2020-10-28 12:20:39:

It's all fun and games until we laugh our way into something from The Outer Worlds.

perilunar wrote at 2020-10-28 11:20:31:

Mars is a Harsh Mistress.

new_realist wrote at 2020-10-28 03:17:07:

What a wanker.