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solderpunk solderpunk at SDF.ORG
Fri May 15 08:58:02 BST 2020
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ``` On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 04:27:25PM -0700, Dave Huseby wrote: > What I don't like the most about TLS is the complexity due to backwards compatibility and protocol negotiation. I totally get this. I really want to spec TLS 1.3 as the bare minimumpermitted for Gemini because it gets rid of a lot of that complexity.Web browsers can't afford to do this because they need to support allthe old servers out there. We don't have that legacy and could startwith a clean slate of a simpler, less fiddly TLS. All that holds meback is that this would rule out a lot of otherwise very compelling TLSlibraries which don't yet have TLS 1.3 support. Cheers,Solderpunk > I still look forward to your post. > > Cheers! > Dave > > On Thu, May 14, 2020, at 2:23 PM, solderpunk wrote: > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 02:09:04PM -0700, Dave Huseby wrote: > > > > > I surely will. I'm curious about your thinking. > > > > I'm not sure you'll be completely sold, but I hope you'll see where I'm > > coming from. > > > > To try to boil it all down: I absolutely agree that TLS has problems > > and I don't doubt that other things, like CurveCP, might overcome or > > avoid a lot of them. But I believe something built on TLS is > > overwhelmingly more likely to be widely implemented and deployed than > > something based on literally anything else, and at the end of the day a > > I think a good but not perfect protocol which becomes widely used and > > supported will do a lot more good for the internet than a "perfect" > > protocol which never becomes more than a curiosity for a small > > community of enthusiasts. > > > > This is not to say I don't think anything "strange and new" can *ever* > > "catch on" or that I think any such efforts are a waste of time. I wish > > all the radical projects aiming at lofty goals all the luck in the > > world, sincerely. But there's a valid niche for something not quite so > > radical which can still be a real and valuable improvement over the > > status quo with very low barriers to adoption. > > > > Cheers, > > Solderpunk > > > >