Aihuxv.111 net.misc utzoo!decvax!harpo!ihnss!ihuxv!lew Wed May 5 23:20:47 1982 The quantum coffee break The error in Don Chan's article of April 28, as correctly pointed out by Charles Poirer and re-iterated by myself, is that A and B cannot both *observe* the electron. This wouldn't be so if the observation didn't completely localize it, but the article explicitly makes this a condition of the observation. This fact is the essence of the Einstein et al paradox. In this case, over repeated trials the observations of A have perfect anti-correlation with the observations of B ( assuming the electron doesnt escape unobserved.) In the spin correlation case, intermediate values of correlation are possible, depending on the relative orientations of the polarizers. Although the quantum coffee break can be treated relativistically, the classical treatment contains all the salient features of the paradox. The case of a particle track in a cloud chamber is a real example of this thought experiment. The initial spherical ( or otherwise ) wavefunction is *focused* ( repeatedly collapsed ) by its interaction with the chamber. A relativistic (fast) particle will have a track which obeys *classical* (non-quantum) relativity, but it is the track itself which illustrates the quantum observation effect. For a relativistic treatment of the two-interaction case see Sakurai - Advanced QM. Lew Mammel - ihuxv ----------------------------------------------------------------- gopher://quux.org/ conversion by John Goerzen of http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed freely, provided: 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.