RISKS-LIST: RISKS-FORUM Digest Friday 29 July 1988 Volume 7 : Issue 30 FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy, Peter G. Neumann, moderator Contents: NASTRAN and ship steel (Lindsay F. Marshall) Is vibration a known A300 problem? (Eric Roskos) Business Week article on computer security (Woody Weaver) Computers can increase privacy, too! (Robert Weiss) Viruses - a medical view (John Pettitt) Apple viruses -- don't go through the ZLINK (Practor Fime, Dr. Logic, The Byter -- via Greg Prevost via Eric Haines) On IRS direct computer access (Steven C. Den Beste) Re: doing away with privileged users (Alan Silverstein) The RISKS Forum is moderated. Contributions should be relevant, sound, in good taste, objective, coherent, concise, and nonrepetitious. Diversity is welcome. CONTRIBUTIONS to RISKS@CSL.SRI.COM, with relevant, substantive "Subject:" line (otherwise they may be ignored). REQUESTS to RISKS-Request@CSL.SRI.COM. FOR VOL i ISSUE j / ftp kl.sri.com / login anonymous (ANY NONNULL PASSWORD) / get stripe:risks-i.j ... (OR TRY cd stripe: / get risks-i.j ... Volume summaries in (i, max j) = (1,46),(2,57),(3,92),(4,97),(5,85),(6,95). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jul 88 10:03:46 WET DST From: "Lindsay F. Marshall" Subject: NASTRAN and ship steel Talking of NASTRAN reminds me of something that happened when I worked for a company involved in shipbuilding. The steel ordered for a ship that was almost completed turned out to be too thin so some extra reinforcerment was needed. In order to find the best places for this they ran the whole ship through NASTRAN. This job ran for 17 hours and filled several Gbytes of disc with temporary files. The machine crashed when there was no more available disc space. It turned out that the run involved 32000 degrees of freedom, but nobody had done the back of an envelope calculations to see if it was practical... Lindsay JANET: Lindsay_Marshall@uk.ac.newcastle UUCP: ...!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!Lindsay_Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 88 13:13:34 EDT From: csed-1!csed-47!roskos@daitc.ARPA (Eric Roskos) Subject: Is vibration a known A300 problem? > Pilots on France's domestic airline, Air Inter, began a new strike last > night as part of a three-year campaign over Airbus safety. Are there safety concerns other than fly-by-wire involving the Airbus? Or is this "three-year campaign" just about fly-by-wire? The above suggests there may be other safety issues; due to 3 experiences with A300s, I have suspected for several years that there might be some problem with resonance of the body to engine vibrations during takeoff. However, I have no evidence other than firsthand observation as a passenger on A300s to back this up. Eric Roskos (csed-1!roskos) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 88 16:21 EDT From: (Woody) Subject: Business Week article on computer security The August 1, 1988 issue of BusinessWeek contained as cover article, "Is Your Computer Secure? Hackers, Viruses, and Other Threats". The article, pages 64-72, is reasonably well written, without inflammatory text, and has few errors or misleading statements. The article is in essence examining the risk to the public and private sectors of computer usage and loss; and covers employee attacks (Gene Burleson's assault on the Fort Worth security firm USPA & IRA Co., and arrest for "harmful access to a computer"), physical security in light of accident (the Hinsdale disaster), child 'phrackers' and Ma Bell, adult hackers (the Chaos Computer Club and the Deutsche Bundespost) viruses, and the like. It's a glossy article, but is filled with interesting bits of data, such as US expenditures on computer systems over the last four years versus estimated sales of computer protection goods and services. They have photographs of Richard Brandow and the programmer who created the McMag virus, Pierre Zovile' (err -- if I ever meet them in a dark alley...) and so on. Its nice to see some responsible journalism coverage in a general purpose magazine. Or perhaps this is just a measure of how important the private sector rates computer security... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 88 20:26:10 CDT From: "Robert Weiss" Subject: Computers can increase privacy, too! I regularly get reports from my congressperson on his activities, and a comment in one of the articles grabbed my attention before I could toss the mailing: "Technology provides the students with privacy ..." A different sentiment than we usually read about in RISKS. This is from an article on a computer-aided adult literacy teaching project in St. Paul. PC's placed in individual booths provide both privacy and flexibility. If I was 30 years old and unable to read at a 4th grade level, the privacy issue would be important to me. This made me realize that while large computers and networks may in general be detrimental to privacy, there _are_ possibilities for computers to increase privacy. Robert Weiss [But probably not if untrustworthy people have authorized access to the system or to the data, or if people without authorized access masquerade. The biggest problem with putting really sensitive data about an individual that might be of interest to someone else (for revenge, blackmail, curiosity, leaking, etc.) may be that the temptation level has escalated. PGN] ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jul 27 19:00:35 1988 From: mcvax!pyrltd!jpp@uunet.UU.NET From: jpp@slxsys.specialix.co.uk (John Pettitt) Subject: Viruses - a medical view Taken without permission from the Independent (which seems to have gotten it from the British Medical Journal): VIRUSES could invade hospitals throught their computer systems, so new software used by doctors is being quarantined before it is allowed contact with patients' data, Oliver Gillie writes. The Royal Infirmary in Glasgow isolated a computer virus in its laboratory among software destined for the cardiac intensive care unit. The virus was found by a technician who destroyed it before it was able to multiply. Dr Gavin Kenny, an anaesthetist at the Royal Infirmary, said the virus was not malignant, but "as soon as it was found, we made a complete sweep to look for others and now we do regular checks". "A virus can wipe out the memory on an entire disk - that would cause a lot of trouble although it would not put patients' lives in danger," he added. "But some viruses are benign. There is one which just comes out on Tuesdays. It says it is Tuesday and then it goes away again." [ stuff about what a virus is and the christmas tree deleted - jpp] Dr John Asbury, another Glasgow anaesthetist, says a virus got into an intensive care unit in the city where it corrupted data and caused files to be lost. Dr Asbury writes about computer virus disease in the latest issue of the British Medical Journal. John Pettitt, Specialix, Giggs Hill Rd, Thames Ditton, Surrey, U.K., KT7 0TR {backbone}!mcvax!ukc!pyrltd!slxsys!jpp jpp@slxsys.specialix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 88 13:06:44 EDT From: saponara@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (John Saponara) [REALLY Eric Haines] Subject: Apple viruses From batcomputer!cornell!mailrus!uwmcsd1!ig!agate!ucbvax!pro-carolina.cts.COM!gregp Fri Jul 29 11:52:17 EDT 1988 Article 7320 of comp.sys.apple: Path: batcomputer!cornell!mailrus!uwmcsd1!ig!agate!ucbvax!pro-carolina.cts.COM!gregp >From: gregp@pro-carolina.cts.COM (Greg Prevost) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Virus Information Date: 26 Jul 88 21:54:43 GMT Reply-To: pnet01!pro-simasd!pro-carolina!gregp@nosc.mil Organization: The Internet Ok folks, in the past few days I have seen some major stuff going on. There are at least two different viruses running around. One is called Cyberaids and the other is made by some group called Festering Hate. Here is some of the info I have picked up on it in the last few days. - = - = - = - = - = - = 50/50: Warning Apple users Name: Practor Fime #13 @4 Date: Sat Jul 16 17:16:14 1988 CAUTION: ZLink+, ZLink.PBH, ZLink are all viruses, if you run ZLink then you now are the happy parent to a rodent virus. It seem Zlink has some sort of virus that attaches to files and stuff. My friend has it on his HD and it creates some file entry in the ROOT directory that is hidden from every utility EXCEPT APW or ORCA. Every time you boot the prodos with the virus it will do and ON-LINE vol check (even if you specifiy the exact pathname) and install the virus on systems files such as, Mr Fixit, Basic.system,Copy II+ etc.... - = - = - = - = - = - = (92 of 100) Titled : <*** W A R N I N G ***> Author : Dr. Logic/Bill of [None] Stamped: July 13, 1988 at 12:07 AM There is a file going around (currently on the Hard Drive) called Z.LINK.PLUS. It is supposed to be a terminal program somewhat like ProTERM. It is a decent program but the main reason I posted this is when you boot it up, it GOES TO EVERY ON-LINE DRIVE AND MODIFIES >BASIC.SYSTEM Subject: Re: doing away with privileged users In 7.29, Allan Pratt said: > If there is NO SUCH THING as privileged access, where can you go wrong? Alas, there is NO SUCH THING as "NO SUCH THING as privileged access". Why? Because computers aren't as smart as people and as trustworthy as their administrators. Situations inevitably arise which require ad hoc human intervention -- by privileged users. What if there were no distinction of "privilege"? If any user could handle the interventions? There'd also be precious little protection of users's data from other users. Even cooperating users need protection from each other's mistakes. Alan Silverstein, Hewlett-Packard HP-UX DCE Lab, Fort Collins, Colorado ------------------------------ End of RISKS-FORUM Digest 7.30 ************************