F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 16 18 APR 2001 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the |Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | FidoNet community | Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings | | Copyright through | San Francisco, California, USA | | 2007 | Crash Netmail Attach Articled To: | | _ | fido news@1:2320/38 (1-502-245-6778) | | / \ | for Telnet and Bink: | | /|oo \ | Fidonews@1:2320/100 | | (_| /_) | Filegate.net or 64.38.85.9 | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Warren Bonner | | | (*) | \ )) | editor@fidonews.org | | |__U__| / \// | wdbonner@pacbell.net | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2001 by Editor Warren D. Bonner for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1 2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ..................................... 2 \\/+ EDITOR PLAYS AMBASSADOR TO ZONE 2 +\// .............. 2 3. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 7 >>>> GUEST EDITORIAL <<<< ................................ 7 4. ZONE ANNOUNCEMENTS ....................................... 8 5. THOUGHTS ................................................. 11 6. OPINIONS ................................................. 13 .+. OPINIONS OF OPINIONATED OTHERS .+ .................... 13 7. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK ......................... 15 >>>>> LETTERS TO THE EDITOR <<<<< ........................ 15 8. ARTICLES ................................................. 16 >>>>>> ARTICLES <<<<<<< .................................. 16 9. FRANK'S COLUMN ........................................... 17 10. RECIPES ................................................. 19 /// Recipes \\\ .......................................... 19 11. GETTING TECHNICAL ....................................... 22 //+\ TECHICIE STUFF /+\\ ................................. 22 12. POET'S CORNER ........................................... 24 >>>>> POET'S KORNER <<<<< ................................ 24 13. HUMOR ................................................... 25 14. NOTICES ................................................. 28 15. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 29 16. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 34 FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 1 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= HEADLINE ================================================================= Never mistake motion for action. - Ernest Hemingway ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 2 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ================================================================= [Dear readers, this is an ongoing effort to bring Zones together.] * Original reply to posted message to zone one: Warren> Hi ward, Still waiting.. Last week you said you'd look it over and get back to me, (I thought then for the issue last week); now this week is almost gone and still no IC item for the IC Corner... Did you forget? (I have that problem myself, hee-heh) ================================================================== From: Ward Dossche To: Warren Bonner Subject: Re: Still waiting... Warren, You might announce that due to my forgetfulness I will now have to commit ritual suicide and make certain an mpg-file exists of it on the internet. Indeed, overlooked and overworked. The moment a lot of stuff rolls in an the entry scrolls out of sight one tends to forget. I'll get to it "now". Ward ==================Message sometime later======================== From: Ward Dossche Hello Ward, Thanks for using Fidonews to get the word out to the masses in the inactive regions, and the "PING" proposal to the flag system. I do appreciate your taking time from your very busy schedule to make an attempt to let other folks, besides your present home land, know a little about Ward the man himself. I quote from your letter to me to be accurate, although took the liberty to interject to make it a conversational format. . Ward> People in Belgium usually are rather reserved. When I lived in the US, in Montana, I learned the values of another kind of hospitality. Warren> I had no IDEA you had lived in the USA. In fact I thought you were probably German born and English was a second language being that you `spoke' in short terse sentences that seemed arrogant to Westerners at times. Ward> Way out in the plains, (of Montana), with no-one around nor in FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 3 16 Apr 2001 eyesight, we didn't even bother to lock-up the place when we left because people's attitude was "What if someone comes by, is in desperate need of something and finds the door locked?". Warren> That is the way it was in Texas where I was born on an eighteen square mile ranch owned by my grandfather and his six sons; and when the hoof & mouth cattle disease in '29 struck, over 7000 cattle in our County were piled and burned by government people. The ranch was lost as the land could not have hoofed animals on it for five years quarantine. My father homesteaded 360 acres in Nolan County, and started a dairy farm where I grew up. Ward> I don't keep the front-door open 24/24 but when the weather's good most of the time it's open and we've had these experiences when kids, none of our own, came into the house, opened the fridge, got something cool to drink and left again to resume playing. My mother was horrified when she learned we allowed this but up till this day I enjoy it ... the kids know we've got Coke/Pepsi and the neighbours only tap-water, so you can easily guess where their preference goes. Warren> Yep! We raised six children, and some of their friends at times to allow the friends to finish school year. I swear they each had three to five friends raiding the refrig after school every day! Jan purchased three 24 can cases twice a week just for sodas, and lots of Koolaid! I would round the corner coming home from my businesses and twenty kids would be on the front lawn, five days a week. Forty years later my oldest son is CEO executive vice president Siemens Solar USA. HQ'd Camarillo, Ca. (Between Oxnard & Ventura on coast). Ward> I work for Belgacom, that's the Belgian dominant telephone company. Phone companies are major energy consumers and I'm to look into a plan about alternative energy-sources meaning wind, tidal, earth-movement and solar. Warren> In my working years I had owned three companies, two retail and service, one cable company. My son spends half his life in a 747 going to Germany, India, Thailand, Brazil, Japan, not to mention WDC meetings with environmental and energy people. I will give him your email address, perhaps you can meet on one of his trips to Siemens home office in Germany. Ward> I'm not in that category yet but they're already there regularly with specific financial request. Daughter-1 needs music instruments and the cheapest practice-flute costs 6-700$ (she's 13 OK!). A concert-instrument goes into the several thousands so I explained her I'm investing in her future when talking that kind of money. I don't expect her to drop-out now, not after 6 years of "voluntary" study. BTW, she's got 4 flutes. My soccer-son needs 2 sets of equipment a year, plus the gas for the trips to practice, the games, consumption in the clubhouse, insurance and hospital. He's been injured so often that I've told him the only place he hadn't been stitched yet was his dick. :-) Warren> I can see that! There is no higher calling in my book. For most children are a great reward and make the old heart swell with FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 4 16 Apr 2001 pride. Ward> Indeed! My folks never attended any of the things I did and some of them were pretty good. So maybe I'm overcompensating, but if I am, I'm enjoying every single minute of it. Warren> I'm 75 and in pretty good health. How old are you? Ward> I'm 50. My dad's 80, my mam passed away in 1995 and since then my dad's got a new girlfriend, a 67 year old chick. He's never been that active, well groomed, taken care of as now. So, Warren, even at 75 life is not past you, it is in front facing you. Ward> I'm committed to doing something about P4 though I haven't got the slightest idea where I'll find the time. I'm attempting to regenerate the fidonet.org-domain but that's not a bed of roses either. Warren> I am happy to hear that from you. Delegate some of the work to volunteers. It wont be an easy task for anyone. P4/5 should be done one step at a time and that approved before the next step. There will likely be too much vying for different agendas all at the same time to do it any other way and get it done in this lifetime. I have one or two ideas on that if you ever want them. Ward> Please! But do consider this also: I'm always claiming the North-Americans (and I need to exclude most of the Cannoocks) have no view nor perception of Fido outside the NA-continent. We can talk about cultural diversity but I'm up against something completely different: * Lately major wars have been going on in Europe in countries where Fido is active. I did get these conflicts copied on my plate where individual sysops of all warring sides are bringing the conflicts into their Fido-operation; * I was called to rule on the name of a net in R38 which carried the name "Macedonia". The Greek government claims that Macedonia is part of the historic great empire founded by Alexander The Great way before Christ and that an ex-Yugoslavian province has no right to the name. The countries turned it into a major hostile conflict with military activity and full scale war was narrowly avoided. At the same time though I was bombarded with formal complaints by Greek sysops about the same thing, namely that an R38net cannot have the word "Macedonia" in its name. Silly for you and others maybe but for them it is very fundamentalistic; * In R40 (Israel) it is impossible for Palestinian sysops to join Fido. Palestinian points on Israeli nodes are very scarce too; * R33 (Italy) has been crushed thrice by the Italian police upon suspicion of being a Maffia-operation. Finally I went to the Italian Embassy in Brussels and told the ambassador if this didn't stop I would take the state of Italy to the International Court of Human Rights as ZC and highest authority of Fidonet in Europe. Since then R33-sysops were left in peace but the region suffered so dearly it FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 5 16 Apr 2001 never recovered; * In another mid-east country the royal family consists of a number of individuals without a job. One of them has been appointed as overseer of Bulletin Boards. He came-out with a ruling that all operators of BBSs (that includes Fido-nodes) needed to register with him and obtain a license to operate a Fido-node failing which their health-insurance would be revoked. Warren> You are a remarkable transformer yourself. I had a very different picture of you Ward, I am sorry to say. And a fine caring family man was not part of that picture. One hears too much slanted truths and some downright lies over the years. Most do not know the man you have revealed to me today. I know that some will be very disappointed in their editor's presentation of this communication. But like Janis said a day or so ago to Michiel V., the Z2 folks should submit articles and the editor would publish their take on things too. Ward> We all have this problem that we communicate a lot but there's not much communication. Go to Yahoo and search for "Ward Dossche" ... you'll find me as a Holocaust researcher, as someone who's worked for the UN, I've been executive director of Greenpeace, I studied piano and life is much to short to do all the things I want to. This summer I'm renting a yacht and the family and myself are going on a sailing-vacation to Ireland. Warren> I can now see 90% of it is your lack of time to be charming of word. You just spit it out like you believe it to be and that is that in very few words; although you have written more lately than I have personally seen in years. Ward> That is correct. I need to say things in one single "go" and move on as there's too much territory which needs to be covered in a short time. I realize this creates an awkward impression at times but people have to accept this. The problem of electronic mail is that one writes something in a certain state-of-mind while other people will read it in another state of mind and get the complete wrong impression. Warren> If you could find it in your schedule to just make an acknowledgement to everyone that we were all in error on some things, it would not only be the truth, but you would go up in popularity in my opinion as everyone can appreciate an extended hand of a friend. Ward> Where would you like to see something like that posted? Warren> Right below this paragraph would be nice. I am pleased to have had this opportunity to know you better Ward. I apologize for anything I have said that was hurtful in anyway. I hope you will feel the same, and we will both feel better as will everyone else involved in the the TJ-TM thing. FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 6 16 Apr 2001 Ward> Indeed. We all err and not in the least myself. Sometimes a little bit more effort could create less misunderstanding. I try to do that although I notice that no matter how one may try at certain moments the barrier still remains. Ward> We are separated by exactly that which unites us: Technology and language. Let's make the best of it and please come and see me for a couple of minutes next year when I'm passing through LA. \/\/ard ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 7 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= NONE. No Submissions this week... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 8 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= ZONE ANNOUNCEMENTS ================================================================= 7 April 2001 Edited by Carol Shenkenberger Zone 6 Election Progress Report (Note from xxcarol, due to their worry about use of english, I have assisted with minor edits and done the reformatting to make it fit the Fnews line length requirements. When I am not sure what they meant, I left it intact as sent. Barry Blackford and I will be working to keep the news flowing. If a line has an * at the start, it means I did a little assistance with grammar or spelling in that paragraph.) ANY ERRORS IN MEANING DUE TO MY EDITS, ARE SOLELY MY FAULT!- XXCAROL Message to : Bin Li From : Anatoli Tung Subject : Reply to All Date/Time : Sat 07 Apr 2001 12:17a b e g i n e x t r a c t e d m e s s a g e ---------------- Hi from Ridder (East Kazakhstan)! Saluton, Bin! Now 06-04-2001 I have incoming message by ICQ: === Cut === * redhurst: (8:08 PM) I think I can do temp z6c if you agree. === Cut === Also: 30 Mar 01 14:14, From 6:654/0 >Bin Li wrote to Anatoli Tung: *AT>> Who collects the votes? The procedure of choices does not exist, the name Fan has collected votes. AT>> I do not give a vote neither for, nor against, I agree with any result of choices. And I do not see, that can change in a zone 6, if have or not of the chosen coordinator. But I consider, that by most optimum would be to announce temporary ZC (for relation with the coordinators of other zones) Lawrence Fan, and we will help him to carry out other (xxcarol note, the above has a double quote and I am unsure who was the text author. I've missed a few messages) (Bin Li) *BL> I think Lawrence can be a very good z6c. BL> You,barry and me both will help him to do best :) FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 9 16 Apr 2001 BL> Because we only have a fidonet. BL> i think we will collaborate very good. BL> Bin Li (Anatoli Tung from here down except the xxcarol notes) *I already wrote about my opinion concerning these choices. Now for more detail. The presence of a name of the coordinator in a line "Zone,6," will not improve and will not worsen a situation, it will be changed only by a lot *sysop's (who are) amicable, active and devoted to Fidonet. *I add (to) my previous letter on it by such plan. On a role temp ZC I offer to choose Bin Li or Lawrence Fan, the name is not important, as we shall work together, though me imposes Fan. If Fan has collected votes, let he will inform them here, in Zone6Sysop. (xxcarol note: Anatoli isnt totally clear above here so I cant touch it. I do know it's friendly and think he's asking Lawrence Fan about what votes he may have) The important commission: WHO CAN INFORM it in Fidonews and ZCC-echos in English about new name of Z6C, as well as why him have chosen? (xxcarol note: Barry Blackford and I both offered. I'm starting this note but the process will conclude while I am out of contact enroute to Japan or waiting for my computers to arrive once I'm there in Japan) *I can inform, but if there will be questions, my English will be insufficient. If the Z6C will be Bin Li, Fan or Barry can inform. Already now it is possible to inform. Up to the arrangement with ZC I create the list, I hope, for a long time. (xxcarol note: I told Anatoli and the others not to worry. Fidonews is about NEWS and COMMUNICATION, not about perfect grammar when it's a second language. What he says above is he can continue to generate the Z6 submission like he has been, as long as any new Z6C wants him to.) *At transition of this work to another, I shall subscribe him to fileecho r64-list. This list requires constant manual processing, - removals of a superfluous line "Zone,6". I shall help to make the lists of r60, I shall help (if it will be necessary) to support links with networks of regions 60, 61 (Fatman), 62 (Wang), 63 (Carol). And resulted zonal segment will be named xxxxx.###. (Do not "xxxxxx", ### - number of next _Friday_, this is requirement of IC). (xxcarol note: Anatoli knows ZC level nodelist processing and is working on cleanups. He's already got updates from one RC in Z6, in the echo as there was an ISP problem of some sort. I'll have to get with him on R63 segment but it's going to be very hard from here and he understands that. The actual names were edited out due to possible security issues for Z6). FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 10 16 Apr 2001 *I also am interested in the opinions of Bin Li and Lawrence Fan, whether it is necessary that we have a gate for mail from the Internet for all domains in n###.z6.fidonet.org? It can be made. If you agree, I (will) try to do (this) (my friend in z2 has this gate, he agrees to gate for all z6 too). (xxcarol note: Progressive bunch! I like it!) *For close discussions, I shall do so: after one more week I change sysop-name in line "Zone,6," to: "Bin_or_Lawrence_and_Anatoli" if I have not have received votes from Fan, or to: name of elected person. (xxcarol note: They have 3 candidates and are working out elections. Above are the names: Bin Li, Lawrence Fan, and Anatoli Tung. Note that Z6 culture is different and it's appropriate there to truncate to first names when they cant fit all the 3 names in the field). *Therefore, I ask Bin Li or Lawrence to prepare the message for Fidonews within one week, that: after disapperance of Chris Leung and a long time without a coordinator in Zone6 (to?) inform news about itself... with names of all candidates and elected name. (xxcarol note: I do not have Bin Li's email address but I can catch Lawrence). *Other information and questions: - I ask for (permit me to) include (if have) vietnamese, kasakhstanese and other Asians IP nodes in my nets. - From next week I have CM-answered binkd at IP of my friend in Russia, so this allows links by binkp and ftp. (with continuous control by ftp from Kazakhstan or Vietnam). So from next week I will have binkd-argus link with Fan... Chao, Anatoli. 6:770/1 tung@tsr.ru tung99@mail.ru ICQ 70429669 voice phone (xxcarol note: ommitted from Fnews article as do not have his permission to post it) -!- ! Origin: ... (6:770/1) --------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 11 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= THOUGHTS ================================================================= HONESTY Once there was a little boy who lived in the country. They had to use an outhouse, and the little boy hated it because it was hot in the summer, cold in the winter and stank all the time. The outhouse was sitting on the bank of a creek and the boy determined that one day he would push that outhouse into the creek. One day after a spring rain, the creek was swollen so the little boy decided today was the day to push the outhouse into the creek. So he got a large stick and started pushing. Finally, the outhouse toppled into the creek and floated away. That night his dad told him they were going to the woodshed after supper. Knowing that meant a spanking, the little boy asked why. The dad replied, "someone pushed the outhouse into the creek today. It was you, wasn't it, son?" The boy answered yes. Then he thought a moment and said, "Dad, I read in school today that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and didn't get into trouble because he told the truth." The dad replied, "well, son, George Washington's father wasn't in that cherry tree!" Class Assignment The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment: Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it. The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their stories. Ashley said, "My father's a farmer and we have a lot of egg-laying hens. One time we were taking our eggs to market in a basket on the front seat of the pickup when we hit a big bump in the road and all the eggs went flying and broke and made a mess." "And what's the moral of the story?" asked the teacher. Ashley said, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket!" "Very good," said the teacher. Next little Sarah raised her hand and said, "Our family are farmers too. But we raise chickens for the meat market. We had a dozen eggs one time, but when they hatched we only got ten live chicks, and the moral to this story is, "don't count your chickens before they're hatched." Teacher: "That was a fine story Sarah." "Michael, do you have a story to share?" "Yes, ma'am, my daddy told me this story about my Aunt Karen. FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 12 16 Apr 2001 Aunt Karen was a flight engineer in Desert Storm and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was a bottle of whiskey, a machine gun and a machete. She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break when she landed, and then she landed right in the middle of 100 enemy troops. She killed seventy of them with the machine gun until she ran out of bullets. Then she killed twenty more with the machete till the blade broke. And then she killed the last ten with her bare hands. "Good heavens," said the horrified teacher, "what kind of moral did your daddy tell you from that horrible story?" "Stay the Hell away from Aunt Karen when she's been drinking." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 13 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= OPINIONS ================================================================= By: Frank Vest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On (11 Apr 01) TODD COCHRANE wrote to FIDONEWS... Todd> On another subject next time you see a service member in church a bar or on the street say thanks. Sometimes that is worth a years pay when said in sincerity. Frank> And in sincerity. Thanks! If I may... This should be heeded by all Nations. Although we, the civilian, may not understand or agree with the politics and such, the dedication and bravery of any Nation's military men and women should be appreciated. They do a job that many, myself included, would find hard, if not impossible, to do. No, we may not always understand or agree with the politics of the Countries or Nations, but that doesn't change the dedication of the people that put their life on the line for their Country/Nation! Regards, Frank http://texoma.net/ flv http://bise.tzo.com/r19 * Origin: Holy Cow! I'm A Point!! (1:124/6308.1) By: Philip Lozier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * In a message originally to Thom LaCosta, Frank Vest said: Frank> Which means nothing since Ross is the elisted Moderator, which means nothing since the elist isn't universally accepted as the list of echos and moderators in Fidonet, which means nothing to those that do accept the elist as the means to determine the moderator of an echo, which means nothing to those that don't which means nothing because Ross is the elisted moderator of the echo. Phil> Did the top levels of the Z1B agree to this supposed election they never heard of that consolidated the Z1B with the NAB? I think not, since a 5-0 vote removing him as moderator of Z1_DISCUSSION was surely not in his favor... Phil> I think what Thom is getting at is that the Z1_DISCUSSION echo is not just any chit chat echo, but is of an administrative nature to the Z1B... he can be said to have removed himself of any affiliation with it when he left the Z1B... Ross can no more remove that echo from the ELIST any more than the FidoNews echo, or Z1COORD echo could be FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 14 16 Apr 2001 removed. Ross tried to wrap it up in a neat little package, but he failed. This whole mess is about as corrupt as it can get. Phil * Origin: AFcom BBS! http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/afcombbs (1:267/169) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 15 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK ================================================================= NO LETTERS TO THE EDITOR THIS WEEK FOR THIS SECTION. 8^( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 16 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= NONE! NONE sent in for this section. 8^( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 17 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= FRANK'S COLUMN ================================================================= End of an Era The Death of "TEM" By Frank Vest No, no one has died, but, something has died. I guess I should explain. :) Net124 has had a computer that handled all of the Echomail for the Net since before I was a Node in Fidonet. We, in Net124, lovingly called this machine "The Echo Machine", or "TEM" for short. I might be a little off on my history since TEM was around way before I even became a Node in Net124, or Fidonet, but I believe that the computer we called "TEM" was bought by the Net. It was maintained by an "Echo Fund" via donations. One person in the Net, "The Keeper of TEM" kept the machine at their home and maintained it out of those funds. No, this wasn't a CRP. The donations were voluntary and even if you didn't donate, you still got the benefits of TEM. No, this wasn't just a Node number in the Nodelist. This was a machine that was passed from "Keeper" to "Keeper" through time. This was a physical transfer of hardware. The new "Keeper" picked up the computer from the former "Keeper" and took it to his/her home. It was set up and configured and a separate phone line connected to it. A lot more than a simple Nodelist change was involved here. As of Nodelist.096, TEM, 1:124/1 is no more in Net124. :( This might not sound like much and you might think "So what? What's this got to do with Fidonet as a whole??". Well, I'd like to think that our little Net124 "TEM" wasn't/isn't the only TEM that was/is around. Back in the days when all mail was sent via direct modem connection, a Net benefited from a "TEM" greatly. Think of it. A Net with 100+ Nodes and each one had to have or make it's own connection to another Node or feed, sometimes by long distance telephone calls, to get Netmail and Echomail. An Echo Machine could connect to one feed for one LD cost and then feed the local Nodes via local calls. Cost to the Nodes was cut dramatically. "TEM" was a "God Send" and made a lot of Fidonet happen. Without these machines, can you imagine what Fidonet wouldn't have been? So, what has this to do with the end of an era? Just this. As Fidonet has grown and declined, so has the technology grown and declined. Fido technology was the thing back when the Internet was little more than a file transfer system for those that could afford it or were part of some organization that had it. Fidonet had the graphics and the ability for the "common" person to use it. The person off the street could connect to a BBS and communicate with others from around the world. As we, Fidonet, decline, we are now using the FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 18 16 Apr 2001 technology that was once below us to keep Fidonet alive. Maybe we should think on this and think of all the "little TEMs" that were, and might still be out there.... sitting in some person's home and churning out the mail that comes into it. Maintained by some person that does this just for the fun of it. Maybe we should thank these little machines and the persons who run them. Yes, it's the end of an era in Net124, but not the end. Fidonet might not have these little machines for much longer, but Fidonet will go on. The end of one era is just the beginning of another. Keep the faith and keep Fidonet going. Use the technology of today just like the little TEMs of the past used the technology of their day. Keep it going and grow. In final thought, I'd like to say a thanks to Paul Lentz, the last "Keeper of TEM" in Net124. Kudos to you and my thanks for your efforts. TEM may be gone, but I know you will still be there to feed those of us in Net124 that seldom thank you for the effort. Thanks TEM!, and Thanks Paul! Kind regards, Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 19 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= RECIPES ================================================================= By: JOAN MACDIARMID MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 Title: Crespelle Al Mascarpone (Crepes Filled With Mascarpone) Categories: Italian, Pancakes, Cheese, Desserts, Filling Yield: 6 Servings For the Crepes (About 16 - 8" each) 2 lg Eggs 1 tb Olive Oil 1 c Milk 1/2 c All-Purpose Flour 1/4 ts Salt 2 tb Granulated Sugar Vegetable Oil Or Butter; For greasing the pan For The Filling: 1 1/2 c Mascarpone Cheese 2 tb Powdered Sugar Zest From 1 Lemon For The Sauce: 1 c Wildflower Honey 1 1/2 oz Dark Rum Beat all the crepe ingredients together, except the oil or butter for greasing the pan, to make a batter. Let it stand for an hour or so. The batter should be the consistency of a high grade whipping cream. It should coat the back of a spoon well but be liquid enough to slide into shapes easily, so it will conform of the shape of the pan. If the batter becomes too thick to pour easily, add a little water and beat it again until it is the right consistency. Oil an 8 inch, heavy crepe or frying pan with a tiny amount of oil or butter, using a paper towel. The pan must be hot but not smoking. Pour in about 3 tablespoons of batter, or a bit more. Tip the pan all around and spread the batter to make a thin pancake. Brown the crepes on one side then turn them over with help of a metal spatula or fork and cook them for another minute or even less. As the crepes are done, stack them on a plate until needed. Grease the pan after each crepe is made; if your pan is in excellent condition, it may not be necessary after the first 3 or 4 are done. Crepes can be made a day or two ahead and stored in the refrigerator well wrapped in plastic. They also freeze well. FILLING: Mix all the ingredients together with a tablespoon. SAUCE: Mix the honey and rum together. Gently and carefully warm it on low heat. FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 20 16 Apr 2001 TO ASSEMBLE: Divide the mascarpone mixture equally among 13 crepes. Fold the crepes in half, then in half again. Place the crepes slightly overlapping each other in a lightly buttered dish and heat them in a preheated 375 F oven for about 10 minutes. Transfer them to heated plates and drizzle with the honey, or pass it at the table. Recipe (c) Carlo Middione - Vivande Ristorante As printed in SF Examiner Epicure, 4/26/95 Posted by: Tess Mercer Notes: For the filling I used icing sugar and the powdered zest from dried lemon, lime and orange peels [mostly orange]. The citrus skins were scraped of all white pith and left to air dry for several weeks until quite hard. They were then ground to powder in a blender. I used about 1 tsp. I made the filling a few hours in advance to allow the zest to soften and the citrus oils to penetrate the mascarpone. I also worked in a tsp of milk to make the filling more spreadable. For the sauce I used regular clover honey, 1 oz of water and 1/2 oz of lemon juice. I wanted to keep it non-alcoholic to suit the requirements of a guest and I really wanted the citrus accents to come through. I also made just 6 large crepes and rolled them into cylinders. I served them in oblong oven proof dishes, one per serving. Jim Weller MMMMM Joan MacDiarmid in Amherst, NY (working at SUNY/Buffalo) * Origin: =-DING!-= Dinner's Ready! (1:142/736) By: Carol Shenkenberger To: Warren Bonner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 Title: Carol's Bastardized Version of Texas Chili V1.1 Categories: Chili, Pork, Beans, Xxcarol Yield: 4 Servings 1 Whole seeded, chopped fine, Bananna pepper 28 oz Can crushed tomato 16 oz Can chopped tomato 1 md Onion 1 1/2 lb Ground pork 1 tb Black pepper 1 tb Comino (Cumin seeds, whole, Dried) 1/2 tb Salt (you add more to the FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 21 16 Apr 2001 Bowl if you like more) 3 sm Fistfuls of a 'red bean' Water to fill The current batch is going and here it is ... 1 medium HOT onion (if you dont cry when you cut it, find another) No mind you, none of those measurements are exact. I just sorta `dump stuff' by eyeball. You will also note there isnt a speck of red pepper in this batch. It's probably closer to either true Mexico or Jamaican 'chili' than anything else. It actually is 'hot' but not the same type of 'hot' as a 'Texan' chili and yes, it has beans. Last batch, did have red pepper and the taste lead me to experiement with more comino and no red pepper. Last batch had 50/50 ground beef and ground pork and I found the pork suited the flavor better and created less 'grease' (a positive in my books but perhaps not in anothers). From: Carol Shenkenberger Date: 15 Mar 99 MMMMM ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 22 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= GETTING TECHNICAL ================================================================= By: Carol Shenkenberger To: Ward Dossche Re: Re: country code 000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Quoting Ward Dossche from a message to Carol Shenkenberger *** WD> I would like to have an indication if the FTSC is still a functioning unit. Carol> It is. Carol>> that group this year. As it is, I am not able to do so but I am `educating myself' on Z2 nodelisting issues (as you can see) and have ideas on some possible things that they do there which are probably better than what's in use now. (Modem flags specifically). WD> Don't confuse "zone-2" "with a handfull of people and myself. Fact is we do have a software "ERRFLAGS" which can be frequed here via PSTN with that magic and the config-file can be freqqed with "ERRFLAGS.ZC2". Carol> I have a copy. It;s more useful to just look at the nodelist sometimes. WD> There are several suggestions from individual nodes about improvements which reached me over the years and which have been incorporated. The result is a pretty clean nodelist, although not a perfect one. The simply are things which cannot be auto-corrected. I don't like a lot of the things I see in the Z2 error list reports. Much of it is just flat wrong to error on. I provided that report back to Michiel. xxcarol * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) By: Lawrence Garvin To: Ward Dossche Re: country code 000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ward wrote to Dave at 10:04 14 Apr: WD> The reasons why "000-" is a bad idea have been stated and repeated and re-itterated and reworded over and over enough so that all willing to understand them have understood. LG> Yet, Ward, is it not correct that these "reasons" hold equally FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 23 16 Apr 2001 well to the existing 91-11 codes in India that can just as equally be `misdialed' by any Zone 1 node and end up calling '911', just as a `misdialed' 000- entry in Australia would have the same results. LG> To that end... we're already at risk for widespread accidental dialing of emergency services operators -- and THAT situation (India) is one we cannot ever do anything about. LG> At what point do we cease exploring functional implementations of solutions because some idiot somewhere might misconfigure his nodelist compiler? LG> Ergo.. whatever happened to "personal responsibility" for the proper configuration of one's software? * Origin: lawrence@eforest.net | The Enchanted Forest (1:106/6018) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 24 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= POET'S CORNER ================================================================= No Submissions ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 25 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= HUMOR ================================================================= From: Bob Crowninshield "Medical Benefits Of Breast Watching" This came from the New England Journal of Medicine, so men take heart, and ladies - don't look at us like we're scum when you catch us. We're only doing it for our health. Great news for girl watchers: Ogling over women's breasts is good for a man's health and can add years to his life, medical experts have discovered. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, "Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a female is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work- out" declared gerontologist Dr. Karen Weatherby. Dr. Weatherby and fellow researchers at three hospitals in Frankfurt, Germany, reached the startling conclusion after comparing the health of 200 male outpatients - half of whom were instructed to look at busty females daily, the other half told to refrain from doing so. The study revealed that after five years, the chest-watchers had lower blood pressure, slower resting pulse rates and fewer instances of coronary artery disease. "Sexual excitement gets the heart pumping and improves blood circulation," explains Dr. Weatherby. "There's no question: Gazing at breasts makes men healthier." "Our study indicates that engaging in this activity a few minutes daily cuts the risk of stroke and heart attack in half. We believe that by doing so consistently, the average man can extend his life four or five years." "Fish in Boston" A Chicago salesman on a business trip to Boston had a few hours to kill before catching a plane home. Remembering an old friend's advice to try some broiled scrod, a favorite fish in Boston, he hopped into a cab and asked the driver, "Say, do you know where I could get scrod around here?" The driver replied, "Pal, I've heard that question a thousand times, but this is the first time, ever, in the passive pluperfect subjunctive." FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 26 16 Apr 2001 STRANDED One day a man, who had been stranded on a desert island for over ten years, sees an unusual speck on the horizon. "It's certainly not a ship," he thinks to himself. As the speck gets closer and closer, he begins to rule out the possibilities of a small boat, then even a raft. Suddenly, emerging from the surf comes a drop dead gorgeous blonde woman wearing a wet suit and scuba gear. She approaches the stunned guy and says to him, "Tell me, how long has it been since you've had a cigarette?" "Ten years," replies the stunned man. With that, she reaches over and unzips a waterproof pocket on her left sleeve and pulls out a pack of fresh cigarettes. He takes one, lights it, takes a long drag and says, "Man, oh Man! Is that ever good!" "And how long has it been since you've had a sip of bourbon?" she asks him. Trembling, the castaway replies, "Ten years." She reaches over, unzips her right sleeve, pulls out a flask, and hands it to him. He opens the flask, takes a long swig and says, "Wow, that's absolutely fantastic!" At this point, she starts slowly unzipping the long zipper that runs down the front of her wet suit, looks at the man seductively and asks, "And how long has it been since you've played around?" With tears in his eyes, the guy falls to his knees and sobs, "Oh, sweet God! Don't tell me you've got golf clubs in there, too? Class Assignment The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment: Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it. The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their stories. Ashley said, "My father's a farmer and we have a lot of egg-laying hens. One time we were taking our eggs to market in a basket on the front seat of the pickup when we hit a big bump in the road and all the eggs went flying and broke and made a mess." FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 27 16 Apr 2001 "And what's the moral of the story?" asked the teacher. Ashley said, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket!" "Very good," said the teacher. Next little Sarah raised her hand and said, "Our family are farmers too. But we raise chickens for the meat market. We had a dozen eggs one time, but when they hatched we only got ten live chicks, and the moral to this story is, "don't count your chickens before they're hatched." Teacher: "That was a fine story Sarah." "Michael, do you have a story to share?" "Yes, ma'am, my daddy told me this story about my Aunt Karen. Aunt Karen was a flight engineer in Desert Storm and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was a bottle of whiskey, a machine gun and a machete. She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break when she landed, and then she landed right in the middle of 100 enemy troops. She killed seventy of them with the machine gun until she ran out of bullets. Then she killed twenty more with the machete till the blade broke. And then she killed the last ten with her bare hands. "Good heavens," said the horrified teacher, "what kind of moral did your daddy tell you from that horrible story?" "Stay the Hell away from Aunt Karen when she's been drinking." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 28 16 Apr 2001 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= +++ NOTICES +++ To: All ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NLLIST v0.99 - TEST VERSION is now available for download and testing at http://www.nexusbbs.net/nllist ... please note that this is a test version and as such does not contain much documentation. I'd appreciate comments, thoughts, suggestions on this so that I can make it better. Please send comments via either email to groberts@nexusbbs.net or routed netmail to 1:220/10. Thanks! George A. 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Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. 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