F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 21 24 May 1999 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | +27-41-581-5913 [5:5/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@fidonews.org | | hwolsink@catpe.alt.za | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2 What's Not Happening - Losing issues in the Z1C Electio .. 2 3. NOTICES .................................................. 4 4. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 5 5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 9 FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 1 24 May 1999 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Greetings, The last issue from me for 4 weeks, as we are on our way on Tuesday. Douglas will look after FidoNews until my return. Happy reading, ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 2 24 May 1999 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= What's Not Happening .-- -- -- -- -- -- WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING -- -- -- -- -- --. | There isn't always something happening on Fidonet, but | | there's always something which isn't happening. This | | column is dedicated to the lost causes which make Fido | | what it isn't today. Published semi-occasionally... | `-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --' The Zone 1 Coordinator Election begins it's nomination phase on May 30th. Lack of candidates, however, has been no deterrent to the debate of issues. Here are a few issues from the past week which should not be a factor in the upcoming election: 1. Dallas Hinton posted as Bob Satti. Much ado was made over Dallas logging onto Bob's system as Bob and posting in his name. However, it appears that Dallas was merely passing on messages dictated by Bob from his hospital bed. This charge fails to establish any intent to defraud on Dallas part, and I seriously doubt that even Dallas' detractors will continue to hold him in infamy over the technicality that he didn't put his initials on the dictated messages. It's probably not a good idea for Dallas to list this activity on his election resume under "ZC EXPERIENCE," however... 2. Region 10 Net Coordinators were not consulted before the R10C voted on election methods. This turned out to be a simple technical error - the messages posted in the R10 regional echoes were lost on one system. Brenda Donovan, as Region 10 Coordinator, continues to enjoy (so fare as I know) a reputation for putting information before her region. The fact that the charge was even made is more indicative that there is still a deep distrust of regional representation than indicative of any actual RC failure. RCs should, of course, be aware of this distrust... but I don't see what more they can do except to continue to conduct their business openly and honestly. 3. Regional Coordinators sent differing messages to their regions in soliciting input concerning election methods for the Z1C. It's certain that RC's wrote their regions using their own words because there was no common message drafted for this purpose. Whether there should have been or not is open for debate, but there's been no case established that the differing wording resulted in differing input from the regions. FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 3 24 May 1999 This is unlikely to become an issue in the upcoming election because it doesn't express the underlying concern of those expressing the complaint. The underlying concern is that regional input may not be accurately reflected whenever the RCs vote. So long as the concept of RC representation is distrusted, or in the absence of independent monitoring of regional input, it's unlikely that this issue will be resolved in time for the current election. 4. Policy 4 does not require open election of the Z1C. This argument has normally been advanced whenever criticism of the current election process has become severe. The implication is that sysops should be content with whatever input they've been granted to the selection process, because they're not entitled to any by policy. Policy firmly places ZC selection in the RC's hands and does not address the method of selection they use. This is unlikely to become an election issue because it represents an extreme viewpoint - as extreme as the viewpoint that Fidonet sysops can void policy merely by withdrawing from Fido and reforming the net. However, the facts are that RCs have chosen to make part of the election process open, and sysops have chosen to attempt to work within the existing structure. Extremes have no place in the upcoming election. -- | Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org | Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. | From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 4 24 May 1999 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 4 Jul - 10 Jul 1999 Z1C Election process 24 Jul 1999 XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99]. 9 Jun 1999 Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07. 10 Sep 1999 10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations. 26 Oct 1999 Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 21 Sep 2000 10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR) 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 5 24 May 1999 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end. FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII] WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/ FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/ Echomail [pending] General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti List servers: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Region 14: Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19 Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/ Not sure where the following should be placed: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 6 24 May 1999 Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German) Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian) Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ ============ FIDONEWS 16-21 Page 7 24 May 1999 Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ============ Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor, and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages should list access points to all Networks within the Region. TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone. -----------oOo------------- Fidonet Via Internet Hubs Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ 1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo. 1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c 1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20 1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo. 1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c 1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr. 1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c 1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo. 1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr. 1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo. 1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr. 1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo. 2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c 2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c 2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c 4:902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c 4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers [I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet. Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed. 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