F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 20 17 May 1999 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | +27-41-581-5913 [5:5/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@fidonews.org | | hwolsink@catpe.alt.za | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2 Z1C Election - Arguing with Success ...................... 2 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4 FidoNet Zone One Election ................................ 4 ECHO TALK - BBSes on the Internet ........................ 8 4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11 The Queen's English ...................................... 11 5. NOTICES .................................................. 12 6. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 13 Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 13 7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 18 8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 22 FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 1 17 May 1999 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Greetings, So, the Z1C election process is starting soon - jolly good show. About time something was done. But what is happening with our IC lately? Have not seen/heard/read anything from him for ages. Is he still around or? Anyone care to advice us? I must say, it's very strange that he does not even say 'boe' or at least say something to convince those at large he is alive. Enjoy, ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 2 17 May 1999 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= Z1C Election - Arguing with Success Arguing with Success The Z1C Election Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 doug@mdtnbbs.com Gee... just when I thought the Z1C election was going well, I'm hearing complaints that it's degenerated into pointless bickering. This bickering, I'm told, is the reason there shouldn't be public elections on Fidonet. Just to be contrary, I'd like to argue that the bickering is exactly why we should hold these elections as a regular feature. The Benefits of Bickering: 1. So long as there's bickering going on, it makes lie of the argument that the sysops of Fidonet don't care. 2. Fidonet brings bickering to a high art. The early rounds of bickering in the Z1_ELECTION echo were started by Andrea Santos, who is probably the most qualified bickerer Fidonet has to offer. Andrea's posting is normally responsible and literate, giving her a high degree of personal credibility which is difficult to dismiss. Moreover, she's active as a Network Coordinator of the South Florida Net, so it's difficult to dismiss her as a non-contributor. And she's been persistent and focused in her questions: who decided that the voting for Z1C will be determined by a secret RC only vote. She can't be ignored, and she's been getting answers. 3. Bickering has brought the RCs out of the woodwork and into the public echoes. A few short weeks ago, I was complaining here that the Z1C election didn't seem to be happening. Though I think that Andrea's questions were more effective than my own editorial in bringing about action... the RC's did act. Now there's a timetable, a set of procedures, and some of the RCs are even posting publicly about the election. 4. The RCs are bickering back. I list this as an advantage because of the insight it brings for those of us who would know the folks charged with running Fidonet. 5. The bickering has actually brought about personal commitments on the part of the RCs to conduct an open and honest election beyond the bare requirements of either P4 or the stated election rules. 6. The bickering has caused us all to rethink some of our cherished notions: should the ZC answer all the mail addressed to him, how should the RCs represent their regions, what is the quality of a person who would be ZC, how important is the ZC position to the NC's and end nodes... FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 3 17 May 1999 The Z1C election is going well. No one is getting exactly what they want, folks are noisy and it promises to get even noisier. Ross Cassell is saturating us with the same old message in multiple conferences. All is well :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 4 17 May 1999 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= Fidonet Zone One Coordinator Election ===================================== This process will consist of five phases.. Phase 1: Nomination Phase 2: Discussion Phase 3: Regional Discussions Phase 4: Voting By RCC Phase 5: Installation of new ZC1 [ Phase 1 - Nominations ] * When From 0000 hrs On 05/30/1999 To 2359 hrs on 06/12/1999 All times EDT * Which Echo Z1_ELECTION.. All nominations to be made publicly. * Who may run for ZC1. Any Fidonet Sysop In Zone One who is listed in NODELIST.141. * Who may not run for ZC1. Myself (election coordinator) Any sysop not physically located in Zone One or not listed in NODELIST.141. * Candidate qualifications. Candidates to be considered for the ZC1 position, should: [1] Possess good people/communication skills and be fair and open minded towards a wide and diverse zonal audience. [2] Possess a working knowledge and understanding of Fidonet Policy v4.07. [3] 'HAVE' the time or be able to set aside time in order to perform the duties required of the position. If the candidate is out of town a lot due to professional or personal obligations, then this candidate may want to reconsider said candidacy. FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 5 17 May 1999 * Who may nominate. Any Zone One sysop who is in the nodelist as of NODELIST.141. Each sysop may nominate only one individual including themselves. * Process. [1] For a nominee to be considered a valid ZC1 candidate s/he must meet the criteria outlined for candidates. [2] Nominations will consist of three phases: [A] Initial and qualifying nomination, either by themselves or by another sysop who is qualified to nominate. [B] A seconded nomination by another qualified sysop. [C] Upon successful first and seconded nominations, the nominee must then 'accept' the nomination. [3] Nominations are valid if made and accepted between 12:00am on the start of the nomination phase and 11:59pm on the end of the nomination phase, all times Eastern. [ Phase 2 - Discussions ] * When From 0000 hrs On 06/13/1999 To 2359 hrs on 06/26/1999 All times EDT * Discussion Phase. The discussion phase will be conducted publicly in the Z1_ELECTION echo, All interested sysops are urged to partake and solicit answers from the pool of available candidates garnered during the nomination phase. Z1_ELECTION will be moderated by Joe Jared, he will be charged with keeping the discussions on a civil level and he will not tolerate flaming, spamming or any other behavior in which the process is disturbed or otherwise impeded. The discussion phase is a process in which candidates can be called upon (or can volunteer) to put forth or defend their positions or philosophies on various Fidonet related issues. Their answers can be used to assist you in determining which candidates have the fitness to serve as ZC1. Candidates should avoid at all costs the practice of slinging mud at another candidate, if for no other reason than the preservation of credibility. FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 6 17 May 1999 Please be mindful that the candidates were nominated by those who thought the nominee could benifit Fidonet. Furthermore the candidates accepted said nominations because they think that they can help Fidonet. Having said this, no candidate is setting out with an agenda to destroy Fidonet or the world.. Please leave these types of accusatory innuendos or personality conflicts somewhere else, they will not have a role in this election. [ Phase 3 - Regional Discussions ] * When From 0000 hrs On 06/27/1999 To 2359 hrs on 07/03/1999 All times EDT * Getting input to your RC. This phase will involve you at the local net level informing your NC as to whom you would like to see as ZC1 out of the pool of available candidates based on personal preference and what information you gathered from Phase 2. In turn your NC will take this information and pass it onto your RC, who will then use this information to cast the appropriate vote during Phase 4. To avoid the appearance of improprieties, all discussions relating to the election process either in this phase or phases 1 & 2, should be conducted publicly. Only use netmail/email methods if time constraints are evident and it would appear that echo lag would prevent you from getting your preference to your NC on time. [ Phase 4 - Voting Process ] * When From 0000 hrs On 07/04/1999 To 2359 hrs on 07/10/1999 (or earlier if 10 votes recorded prior) All times EDT * Voting By the RCC. Voting on the available pool of candidates will be conducted by the RCC in the privately distributed Z1REGCON echo. [ Phase 5 - Installment ] * Installing new ZC1. The installment process of the new ZC1 will commence without delay upon the announcement of the winner. The outgoing ZC1 will work with the new one to transfer over control files, coordinate links changes and bring him or her up tp speed on policy matters and procedures FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 7 17 May 1999 associated with the position. The outgoing ZC1 will make sure the incoming ZC1 is properly introduced to the ZCC and the Zone One RCC as well as making sure s/he is linked to all appropriate admin echoes and is properly echoing the Zone one admin echoes. As soon as the outgoing ZC1 is confident that the incoming ZC1 has all the tools and such to perform the position, the outgoing ZC1 will install the incoming ZC1 into the nodelist and the incoming ZC1 will immediately assume the duties and responsibilities of the position upon the issuance of that nodelist update. The incoming ZC1's term shall not begin until s/he is reflected as such in the nodelist. [Technicalities] * If only one candidate. Goto Phase 5, sole nominee will win by acclamation. * Voting protocol in phase 4. Scenario 1 - two candidates: A candidate must receive a simply majority of 50% + 1 of all votes cast to be declared a winner. If all 10 RC's cast a vote, a minimum majority would be 6 votes. If any RC fails to cast a vote, then the minimum majority will be calculated from the total votes recorded. In the event of a tie vote under this scenario, the outgoing ZC1, shall cast the deciding vote in order for a winner to be declared. Scenario 2 - three or more candidates: A candidate must receive the 50% + 1 votes as outlined in scenario one. If one of these candidates does receive a simple majority, we have a winner. But for example if we have 3 candidates: Candidate 1 receives 4 Candidate 2 receives 4 Candidate 3 receives 2 No single candidate received a majority vote. Candidate 3 will be removed from the running, we will then repeat phase 4 with only 2 candidates. Scenario 3 - scenario 2 with a twist: Same criteria as in scenario 2, but: Candidate 1 received 4 Candidate 2 received 3 Candidate 3 received 3 FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 8 17 May 1999 The outgoing ZC1 will cast a deciding vote for candidate 2 or 3, then the candidate with the least votes is dismissed, then scenario one is reached and phase 4 repeated. Scenario 4 - More than three candidates: The spirit of scenarios 2 & 3 is applicable, if no single candidate receives a majority, two candidates with the most votes are singled out to reach scenario one and phase 4 is repeated with the 2 surviving candidates. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ECHO TALK - BBSes on the Internet . -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- . | Food for thought from Fido's echomail. | | Purloined without permission by D Myers | ` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- ' Ed Williams presents a different view on the subject of BBSes on the Internet. This is extracted from his message to Lynda Kendrick in the echo FN_SYSOP. ------------------- LK> Ed, I enjoyed reading your message about how we as BBS LK> sysop's do have a way of joining the Internet with our BBS's LK> ..But how do we do that? I am very interested! Joining the Internet with our BBS's......ME? I would never propose such a thing, for various reasons. A few of which I'll touch on below. Anyone who hitches their proverbial "Star" to the Internet is in for a sad awakening in a few years. As communications systems become more and more evolved, the phone systems will take on a considerable appeal, and well the Internet will be your "junk mail" drawer again, but I will grant you it will be a neat one. The "traditional dial up" phone line will be around for quite some time. The rates and way we do things will change dramatically I'm sure. But the internet is what it is, and it's not a phone service. I laugh at the memories now, of people complaining that for all it's glory, windows 3.1 is just a shell for DOS. Much the same thing can be said for what "people" are doing with the internet. For all it's wonders, it's just a shell for the phone companies. Once it makes that change over to an "independent" system, well the world's going to see a huge improvement over the internet. FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 9 17 May 1999 There's just too much wrong with it now, and the things wrong with it for us BBS's are just not in the interests of those people making the Internet. XML has promise for what us BBS'ers want, but it's not quite the same, and it's applications are far from a menu driven programming language. While I do believe that the Internet is a wondrous place for "artists, businesses, tech support, and scientific exchange", we have polluted it with enough "Crap" that these gem's are increasingly hard to find. All too often someone goes to the net to find one thing, and ends up being distracted by half a dozen others. Before he knows it, he's out of time, the kids are begging to be tucked in, and life has passed him by. It's not people's fault really. Heck even trying to find a tech support answer on the net takes longer to find on the net (that's if you know the address to look at) than it would to just call up their phone support systems. But we foolishly believe the promise of quick and easy tech support, and yet we wait for E-Mails 2-3 day's out with our answer. I'd like to see anyone wait 2-3 day's on the phone. So as I was saying, it's not their fault, we as people have a variety of things we find interesting, and the Internet can bring bits and pieces of almost all of them at once. Say you're interested in Jupiter, you could spend a year searching all of the jupiter stuff and get no where. We foolishly believe that as long as we look a little, we understand enough of the topic to satisfy our interest. But we get half hazard information in bits and pieces that never quite make sense, no one help's us to sort out really or discusses with us, and keep looking or give up the search. We are being molded to put up with crap. BBS's though do not play that silly little game with our callers minds. Not a bit. We keep to a single topic or two for our BBS's, we have several people helping us keep track of the latest news, people who meet, chat, write messages regularly, and more. Instead of throwing "info" at people, we put them into "interest communities". And who cares if a BBS doesn't have "Everything you ever needed to know about subject A", someone, maybe you can get new stuff, discuss it and share it with the same people who are not being constantly distracted by the maze of "info bits" out there in Interpolated. Every Sysop who uses the Internet to run a BBS on, and does not provide a "Dial up Connection" is a sysop with a constantly roving clientele. Regardless of whether he runs a fine BBS or a sloppy one. This may be interesting, but it is not why people call BBS's. Beware the Borg, they have nifty technology, but they have no souls. BBS's are wondrous things, which I predict will blossom over the next few years, and as technology improves, people move farther and farther out into the country side, and work at home becomes a larger standard, and the service industry takes hold, that nearly everyone FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 10 17 May 1999 will run a BBS of some type. But they'll probably settle for a nifty "Phone Banner" menu for the most part. I love technology, I love what it will do for us. But this internet thing isn't where BBS's need to be getting "callers" from. Advertise it there, use it to get software easily distributed to call your BBS, put newsletters there so people can check it from any computer quickly. But don't get users from the net, get them when they're at home, on their own computer, and want to be on your system. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 11 17 May 1999 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= The Queen's English (Author unknown) Let's face it -- English is a crazy language. Thre is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham. If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth? One goose, two geese. So one moose, two meese? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend, that you can comb thorugh annals of history but not a single annal? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it? If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegatarian eats vegtables, what does a humanitarian eat? If you wrote a letter, perhaps you bote your tongue? Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and sent cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? How can overlook and oversee be opposites while a lot and quite a few are alike? How can weather be hot as hell one day and cold as hell another? Have you noticed that we talk about certain things only when they are absent? Have you ever seen a horseful carriage or a strapful gown? Met a sung hero or experienced requited love? Have you ever run into someone who was combobulated, gruntled, ruly or peccable? And where are those people who ARE spring chickens or who ACTUALLY hurt a fly? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm clock goes off by going on. English was invented by people, not computeres, and it reflects the creativity of the human race (which of course, isn't a race at all). That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible. And why, when I wind up my watch, I start it, but when I wind up this essay, I end it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 12 17 May 1999 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 4 Jul - 10 Jul 1999 Z1C Election process 24 Jul 1999 XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99]. 9 Jun 1999 Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07. 10 Sep 1999 10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations. 26 Oct 1999 Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 21 Sep 2000 10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR) 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 13 17 May 1999 ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= Latest Greatest Software Versions by Peter E. Popovich, 1:228/158 Well, it has been quite a while. Been wondering if I should come back. Guess I just did. Everything is out of date. I've got a backlog, but while I catch up on old mail, I also want to get new mail as well. So write me. There's been some speculation about web page listings and e-mail addresses for this list. I do plan to add them to the web version of this list within the next couple of weeks. Please send them in. Please note the new contact info: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158 fido@popovich.net http://www.popovich.net/fido Peter Popovich -=- Snip -=- Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column OS Platform : Software package name : Version : Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. : Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? : Author / Support staff contact name : Author / Support staff contact node : Magic name (at the above-listed node) : Internet e-mail address : Web page : Please include a sentence describing what the package does. Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158 -=- Snip -=- MS-DOS: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP ALLFIX 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 14 17 May 1999 BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386 JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386 JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT Silver Xpress Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 15 17 May 1999 Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS OS/2: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ALLFIX/2 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2 BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2 CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2 FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2 GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2 Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2 Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO2 WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2 Windows (16-bit apps): Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW Windows (32-bit apps): Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 16 17 May 1999 Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32 CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP Unix: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK Amiga: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch 2:310/6 TRAPDOOR TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS Atari: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser, C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will be listed by the first match. Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial, X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158 FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 17 17 May 1999 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 18 17 May 1999 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end. FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII] WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/ FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/ Echomail [pending] General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti List servers: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Region 14: Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19 Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/ Not sure where the following should be placed: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 19 17 May 1999 Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German) Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian) Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ ============ FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 20 17 May 1999 Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ============ Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor, and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages should list access points to all Networks within the Region. TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone. -----------oOo------------- Fidonet Via Internet Hubs Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ 1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo. 1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c 1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20 1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo. 1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c 1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr. 1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c 1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo. 1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr. 1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo. 1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr. 1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo. 2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c 2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c 2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c 4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers [I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet. Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed. Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 21 17 May 1999 available.] Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 22 17 May 1999 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ------- Editor: Henk Wolsink Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg "FidoNews Editor" FidoNet 5:5/23 BBS +27-41-581-5913, 2400/9600/V34 more addresses: Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Editor P.O. 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