F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 14 12 April 1999 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | +27-41-581-5913 [5:5/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@fidonews.org | | hwolsink@catpe.alt.za | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 1 FidoCop - a netmail response ............................. 1 2. ARTICLES ................................................. 4 FidoCop and FidoRob ...................................... 4 3. NOTICES .................................................. 6 4. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 7 Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 7 5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 12 6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16 FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 1 12 Apr 1999 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= FidoCop - a netmail response Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, doug@mdtnbbs.com I'd like to thank the readers of Fidonews who have seen fit to correspond with me on the articles I write for Fidonews. It's encouraging to find out there are more than six people reading, so I try to reply to each message. I'd like to share this correspondence with Amir Shabashvili of Russia concerning the article last week. He disagrees with me, but he's especially polite about it, and eloquent in presenting his own point of view. ----------- extract of a netmail reply to Mr. Shabashvili ----------- AS> I think I got you point. let me reply on only sentence from your AS> excellent article: DM> For Fidonet sysops to act against an individual who has DM> possibly broken the law would essentially be an act of DM> vigilantism, itself against the law. AS> You talking in context of Andreas Klein's letter connected with AS> Ward's decision on well-known there in 2:R50 conflict between FTN AS> software developer and network member who illegally used mailer AS> software (Ravel for Mac). (Just for info, Ravel isn't commercial AS> or shareware soft, it is free, but licensed software. Ever more, AS> there are 2 versions: first - absolutely free, with usial free AS> license, and second (advanced), for using it you need to ask AS> author's permission and receive (free!) key.) You've got the context right. From what you describe, I'm doubly surprised: (1) Surprised that licensing got to be an issue with the user, since he didn't have to pay any money to use the advanced version, and (2) That the developer would insist on licensing which he essentially gives away anyway. AS> As far as I know, author asked other side to stop unlicensed AS> usage of his software and got in reply something like "go to AS> hell", + some abuse lines in the local pointlist was placed. Do AS> you think, it must be normal behavior (except abuse stuff)? I AS> think not. Many of the arguments in Fidonet seem driven more by testosterone levels than by standards of behavior. This seems little different. AS> I think, the normal would be to stop usage of unlicensed software FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 2 12 Apr 1999 AS> and install free version. There are a lot of free FTN software AS> appears in last the years, no problemo with that, ever for Mac AS> (Mac is very exotic computer in 2:R50). AS> Behavior like described above lead us to author's copywrite and AS> local laws violation (remember,Policy4 told us "2.1.1 <...> and AS> do not promote or participate in the distribution of pirated AS> copyrighted software or other illegal behavior via FidoNet"), but AS> as for me, moral aspect of the problem is more important. I view the section of policy which you quote to mean that one should not use Fido as a means of carrying on an illegal activity, not as an excuse to use Fido as a club to enforce legality. The legal issue is essentially between the user and the developer, and uninvolved parties should not be required to enforce anything. AS> Of course, we can't judje well, we are not professional lowyers, AS> but we not talking about real life, we talking about virtual AS> community, where FidoNet policy and common sence are widely used AS> for any problem resolution. Why we can not use it in this case? AS> Why we must call a police? Police can't excommunicate someone AS> from FidoNet. Better I call my NC/RC:) Police can't hang people either. Better you call your local vigilante committee :) Why is excommunicating someone from Fido the proper way to handle software misuse? Should the software pirate's voice line be cut? Should his children be expelled from school? Should his driving privileges be revoked? Problem resolution on Fido should be restricted to the actual problems affecting Fido - not to resolve moral issues. Certainly we owe software developers our respect and cooperation, but the efforts such as file distribution networks which help promote their efforts are sufficient. Acting as enforcers for software licensing is going too far. AS> I think, coordinators at any level must process formal policy AS> complaints dealing with license violation. They must applied such AS> complaints from software developers only, not from anyone, but AS> they must. Let me ask you a question: what should happen to coordinators who don't deal with license violations? Should they be fired? Excommunicated? Criminally prosecuted? Keep in mind that these coordinators are volunteers who simply may not wish to devote the time to all the good causes we could ask of them. AS> It is _very_ important case for Russia, because of a lot of AS> pirated CD's saled on every corner, and more than 90% of AS> installed software isn't legal. In FidoNet too, not 90%, but a FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 3 12 Apr 1999 AS> lot, using cracked software and fake keys is usial! AS> We can't quickly change that. But, we must try. Why must we try? I honestly respect your opinion concerning the morality of using pirated software... but now we're getting into what's sold in the street corners, far afield from what's being done in my hobby. By virtue of my participation in Fidonet, have I incurred an obligation to safeguard the financial interests of those who write games for children or spreadsheets for bigger children? Do I someday get to the point where my obligations consume the time I once freely gave to others in persuit of my hobby? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 4 12 Apr 1999 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= FidoCop and FidoRob Amir Shabashvili 2:5049/12, ashabash@zarech.ru (This is reply on Douglas Myers 1:270/720 article named "FIDOCOP" in the first April issue) Dear Douglas! I think I got you point. let me reply on only sentence from your excellent article: DM> For Fidonet sysops to act against and individual who has DM> possibly broken the law would essentially be an act of DM> vigilantism, itself against the law. You talking in context of Andreas Klein's letter connected with Ward's decision on well-known there in 2:R50 conflict beetween FTN software developer and network member who illegally used mailer software (Ravel for Mac). (Just for info, Ravel isn't commercial or shareware soft, it is free, but licensed software. Ever more, there are 2 versions: first - absolutely free, with usial free license, and second (advanced), for using it you need to ask author's permission and receive (free!) key.) As far as I know, author asked other side to stop unlicensed usage of his software and got in reply something like "go to hell", + some abuse lines in the local pointlist was placed. Do you think, it must be normal behavior (except abuse stuff)? I think not. I think, the normal would be to stop usage of unlicensed software and install free version. There are a lot of free FTN software appears in last the years, no problemo with that, ever for Mac (Mac is very exotic computer in 2:R50). Behavior like described above lead us to author's copywrite and local laws violation (remember,Policy4 told us "2.1.1 <...> and do not promote or participate in the distribution of pirated copyrighted software or other illegal behavior via FidoNet"), but as for me, moral aspect of the problem is more important. Of cource, we can't judje well, we are not professional lowyers, but we not talking about real life, we talking about virtual community, where FidoNet policy and common sence are widely used for any problem resolution. Why we can not use it in this case? Why we must call a police? Police can't excommunicate someone from FidoNet. Better I call my NC/RC:) I think, coordinators at any level must process formal policy complaints dealing with license violation. They must applied such complaints from software developers only, not from anyone, but they FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 5 12 Apr 1999 must. It is _very_ important case for Russia, because of a lot of pirated CD's saled on every corner, and more than 90% of installed software isn't legal. In FidoNet too, not 90%, but a lot, using cracked software and fake keys is usial! We can't quickly change that. But, we must try. Best regards, Amirko ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 6 12 Apr 1999 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 12 May 1999 12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4; 10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4. 14 - 16 May 1999 V. BBachCon in Bleichenbach, Germany. For further information see: www.bbachcon.de 24 Jul 1999 XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99]. 9 Jun 1999 Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07. 10 Sep 1999 10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations. 26 Oct 1999 Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 21 Sep 2000 10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR) 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 7 12 Apr 1999 ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= Latest Greatest Software Versions by Peter E. Popovich, 1:228/158 Well, it has been quite a while. Been wondering if I should come back. Guess I just did. Everything is out of date. I've got a backlog, but while I catch up on old mail, I also want to get new mail as well. So write me. There's been some speculation about web page listings and e-mail addresses for this list. I do plan to add them to the web version of this list within the next couple of weeks. Please send them in. Please note the new contact info: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158 fido@popovich.net http://www.popovich.net/fido Peter Popovich -=- Snip -=- Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column OS Platform : Software package name : Version : Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. : Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? : Author / Support staff contact name : Author / Support staff contact node : Magic name (at the above-listed node) : Internet e-mail address : Web page : Please include a sentence describing what the package does. Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158 -=- Snip -=- MS-DOS: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP ALLFIX 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 8 12 Apr 1999 BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386 InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386 JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT Silver Xpress Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 9 12 Apr 1999 T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS OS/2: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ALLFIX/2 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2 BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2 CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2 FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2 GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2 Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2 Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO2 WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2 Windows (16-bit apps): Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW Windows (32-bit apps): Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 10 12 Apr 1999 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32 CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP Unix: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK Amiga: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch 2:310/6 TRAPDOOR TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS Atari: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser, C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will be listed by the first match. Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial, FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 11 12 Apr 1999 X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 12 12 Apr 1999 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end. FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII] WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/ FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/ Echomail [pending] General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti List servers: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Region 14: Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19 Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/ Not sure where the following should be placed: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 13 12 Apr 1999 Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German) Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian) ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm ============ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 14 12 Apr 1999 Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ============ Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor, and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages should list access points to all Networks within the Region. TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone. -----------oOo------------- Fidonet Via Internet Hubs Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ 1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo. 1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo. 1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c 1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20 1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo. 1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c 1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr. 1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c 1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo. 1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr. 1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo. 1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr. 1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo. 2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c 2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c 2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c 4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers [I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet. Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed. Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have available.] FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 15 12 Apr 1999 Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 16 12 Apr 1999 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ------- Editor: Henk Wolsink Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg "FidoNews Editor" FidoNet 5:5/23 BBS +27-41-581-5913, 2400/9600/V34 more addresses: Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Editor P.O. 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