F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 49 7 December 1998 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | +27-41-515-913 [5:5/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@fidonews.org | | hwolsink@catpe.alt.za | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2 What's Wrong with this Picture? - Doug Myers ............ 2 3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 5 4. ARTICLES ................................................. 6 ECHOLADE - refreshing echomail ........................... 12 Mail ..................................................... 13 5. COLUMNS .................................................. 15 What's Not Happening - Fallen Star ....................... 15 6. NOTICES .................................................. 16 7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 17 8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 20 FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 1 7 Dec 1998 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Greetings, Have you had contact with Zone 6 lately? It appears they are just at their end of usefullness. I mean, they may as well not exist, as nothing is being heard from that part of the world. Mike Muller would like to know if you have any NODELIST or DIFFS files around from say 6 years ago. He is looking for a friend who he seems to think, was in net 1:2078 NYC. Please e-mail him direct. Thanks. Happy reading, PS: Another article did not wanted to be taken up by Makenews and as such, I have appended it to the end of this issue. My apologies in advance, if this issue does not print to well. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 2 7 Dec 1998 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= What's Wrong wiht this Picture? What's Wrong with this Picture? The Other Fidonews Position Douglas Myers 1:270/720 Henk Wolsink's editorial in last week's Fidonews has found one ardent supporter in Bob Morasvik. Bob apparently feels that it can't be comprehended in one reading, and has bent his effort to reposting it on a daily basis to anyone who will listen and many who won't. Parts of that article are quoted here. Readers who wish to see the full editorial in context are invited to review last week's Fidonews or just about any Bob Morasvik post in the FN_SYSOP echo this week. Henk's editorial presents his opinion of an action by Thom LaCosta, the Echolist Keeper. Thom's action followed a recent election in the FN_SYSOP echo. Echo rules mandate an annual election of the moderator. Rob Ferrara was elected to this position this year, defeating Zorch Frezberg, the incumbent. The problem developed when Rob contacted Zorch to get the echo password, a necessary item for changing the echo listing. Zorch did not respond to Rob's request, except to change the listing naming Rob as moderator, but retaining the password. Rob requested the Echolist Keeper change the password to one of his choosing. Since Rob was the moderator by virtue of both the election and, at that point, by the echo listing... Thom complied. After Thom changed the password to give Rob control of his echo, Zorch Frezberg broke his silence and revealed a questionable "trusteeship" which, he claimed, gave him to right to control the password irregardless of the fact that he'd been voted out of the moderator position (with whom the password normally resides). Henk came down firmly against this in his published opinion last week, stating in part: -------- extracted from Henk Wolsink's Editorial Opinion -------- The list keeper has NO right to - a. supply the new moderator the current password or b. change the password or c. change details of the echo with(out) permission of the password holder. ie. Ex-moderator in the above scenario. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Applied to the events which actually transpired, these high sounding principles translate into little more than a ringing endorsement for Zorch Frezberg to do as he wishes with the area FN_SYSOP, despite the expressed wishes of the sysops in that echo, and despite the rules and tradition which make them the owners of that echo. FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 3 7 Dec 1998 Henk moves on to this passionate conclusion: -------- extracted from Henk Wolsink's Editorial Opinion -------- Secrecy has been violated! Get rid of the echolist keeping system. It's useless with what has happened recently! ----------------------------------------------------------------- And he's correct that secrecy has been violated. But it's the "secret" trustee arrangement which has been busted - an arrangement which was only known to Zorch Frezberg, Bob Morasvik, and Bob Kohl. This was an arrangement se secret that it couldn't be shared with the sysops, the owners of the echo, at any point during the election. This was an arrangement so secret that it couldn't be shared with the Echolist Keeper until after he took the common sense action which busted it. This was an arrangement which, when finally exposed to the light of day in an effort to discredit the Echolist Keeper, was universally rejected by the sysops participating in FN_SYSOP... the owners of the echo, and the very people for whom the password was supposedly held in "trust." But is Henk correct that the Echolist Robot should now be abandoned, a useless commodity? That would depend on your view as to the rule of the Echolist Keeper. One school of thought is that all Fido positions should be that of a clerk. Fidonet Coordinators should just write their section of the nodelist and stay away from any decisions. Thom should just let the robot run unattended and stay out of anything requiring judgement. I reject that position myself. Neutering those who hold a Fidonet office simply puts someone else in charge... in this case the person who can find a loophole in the existing rules, the person who can convince others that a rule exists where it doesn't, or he who can seize such things as knowledge of a password and elevate that acquisition to greater prominence than a proper election. The other view is that Fido positions are a trust, and the office holders should actively seek to improve Fido... should help when help is needed, and do what needs to be done to make the system work. Thom did what needed to be done, and my editorial hat is off to him. [ ED: No Douglas, I do NOT support Zorch, nor Thom and neither YOU! What I write in the editorial, is how I see it and believe it is happening, for the good or bad and my comments and/or views, are mine and NOT that of the ZCC or the IC nor for that matter, of FidoNet and it's SysOp's. There are many ways to kill a bird, or what ever saying you wish to use, and I still believe Rob could have used alternative ways in getting the password. Please note: Zorch made an announcement in that he conceeded he is no longer the moderator of FN_SYSOP and Rob having won most of the votes and as such, was declared the moderator. FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 4 7 Dec 1998 Your comment about FidoNet positions, has nothing to do with the e-list system. But since you brought the subject of 'positions' to the fore, how about killing of Policy 4? :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 5 7 Dec 1998 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= Area : Netmail Area Date : Sat Dec 05, 16:21 From : Brad Crockett 1:340/201 To : Editor 5:5/23 Subj : abc.let @INTL 5:5/23 1:340/201 @MSGID: 1:340/201.0 669a5440 Henk, in FidoNews #47, you wrote: ------------------- The list keeper has NO right to - a. supply the new moderator the current password or b. change the password or c. change details of the echo with permission of the password holder. ie. Ex-moderator in the above scenario. ------------------ Nonsense. The list keeper had no choice in the circumstances. Withholding the password from an elected moderator for any reason would be doing a disservice to all of the participating sysops. Brad Crockett Duncan, BC Canada 1:340/201 [ED: No Brad, it's not nonsense. Please re-read what I wrote in total not just the 3 items above and then you will notice, as explained in my editorial in this issue. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 6 7 Dec 1998 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= FidoNews Article Submission Guidelines FidoNet address 5:5/23 Updated 16 August 1998 by Henk Wolsink Updated 1 Mar 1998 by Zorch Frezberg Updated 1 Jan 1998 by Christopher Baker Updated 29 May 1991 by Tom Jennings Based on the original work by Thom Henderson | denotes a change since the last update |. 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As well, submissions may be missed due to changes in the personal schedule of the FidoNews Editor, but should be published in the following issue. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ECHOLADE - refreshing echomail . -- -- -- -- -- ECHOLADE - -- -- -- -- . | A refreshing extract from Fido's echoes | | Purloined without permission by D Myers | ` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- ' Todd Cochrane on the subject of supporting the OBO: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Give the man a chance. Personally I think it is time a lot of us FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 13 7 Dec 1998 started pushing our way into roles within this organization the old guard has sat on there ass for years and accomplished nothing. They are arguing over the exact same issues now as they were 6-7 years ago. I have been at this as long as anyone probably longer than most yet the same people same idiotic ideals keep pulsating thru and personally it is way beyond time to move forward Maybe you ought to get on the bandwagon and help this thing move forward instead of bitching all the time. There was a time when Sysops helped one another and it was like a unwritten oath that you were to help your fellow sysop. Today all i here is me me me me me me etc... Get a grip instead of bitching ask butch if he needs any help and offer assistance instead of criticizing him.. I am very glad he put John in his place it was time that John get knocked around a bit he is to big for his own britches.. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Hamilton on the subject of sysop-level elections: ------------------------------------------------------------------- DS> The best thing he could do is to return Fidonet to the sysops by DS> trashing P4, breaking up the "inner circle", and immediately DS> calling for a ZC election. Who would vote? 30% of R12 sysops? I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but I think you are one step ahead of what needs to be done. What is the point of Satti turning Fido over to the sysops when they don't even know who he is? Or who their RC is? Or their NC? Fidonet needs to be promoted INSIDE of Fidonet before it is promoted outside. Then we can know if there is anything left to salvage. It may be that all that will survive is the IP-listed nodes and the WWB; I don't know. What I DO know is that rigor mortis has set in to the vast majority of sysops, and even the active ones are leaving. Sure, let's have sysop-level participation. But first, let's find a way to wake the sysops up. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Henk, As a point of interest, the Zone 1 Nodelist Segment now contains a special section listing IP Nodes. This segment is using the 1:1/3xxx series of numbers and appeared first in NODELIST.331 Zone 1 is using the flags proposed by Lothar Behet (2:2406/301) in his recent FTSC submission to designate the IP protocols in use by those FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 14 7 Dec 1998 nodes. I have been designated as the IP Segment Coordinator for Zone 1 and will be accepting further listings upon notification from nodes that wish to be added to this segment. Best Regards, -=David=- RC13 david@wnybbs.net TCP/IP Node from 0715GMT to 0900GMT at kraut.dynip.com using Argus v3.162 ... Well begun is half done. --- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] -- e-mail : david@kraut.xg.com | files: files@kraut.xg.com david@wnybbs.net sysop@kraut.xg.com root@kraut.xg.com Fidonet: 1:2613/404 and 1:13/0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 15 7 Dec 1998 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= What's Not Happening - Fallen Star .-- -- -- -- -- -- WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING -- -- -- -- -- --. | There isn't always something happening on Fidonet, but | | there's always something which isn't happening. This | | column is dedicated to the lost causes which make Fido | | what it isn't today. Published semi-occasionally... | `-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --' A FALLEN STAR If a star falls where no one can hear, does it make a sound? The publication which charts the movement of the stars, BACKSTAT.NA, footnoted a change in the Fido Echomail Constellation last week: ------------------ Zone Hubs: Eastern Star George Peace 1:270/101 george@paonline.com Southern Star John Souvestre 1:396/1 johns@sstar.com North Star Ken Wilson 1:12/12 kwilson@ccai.com ------------------ Bob Seaborn, the NorthWestern Star, has fallen,,, The rumblings between the Southern Star and the NorthWestern Star have portended this change. John Souvestre and Bob Seaborn engage in constant wranglings over such cosmic issues as the importance of low-volume echoes, backbone listing protocol, suitability of Gecho as a tosser, whether Bob joined NAB or John joined Fidospine... So what's not happening here? To my knowledge, there's been no change in echomail connections related to the fallen star, no change in traffic patterns... nothing except a change in the listing. Bob Seaborn has still not conceded that he's part of NAB, John Souvestre does not concede that he's part of the FidoSpine, and George Peace and Ken Wilson continue their strong tradition of not commenting on the proceedings. A star has fallen, but without impact... -------------- Hold the Presses! -------------- In a late reading of the echoes, I find a post by Bob Seaborn conceding that he is an NAB Zhub. Now that he's paid ritual homage, will his star rise again? Or will John Souvestre reciprocate with an announcement that he's a FidoSpine Zhub. Will the echoes continue to move? Will Lisa Gronke ever figure out the topology? Stay tuned to the BACKBONE echo for the continuing Star Opera... ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 16 7 Dec 1998 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 16 Feb 1999 13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush. 12 May 1999 12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4; 10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4. 24 Jul 1999 XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99]. 9 Jun 1999 Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07. 10 Sep 1999 10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations. 26 Oct 1999 Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 21 Sep 2000 10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR) 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 17 7 Dec 1998 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end. FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII] WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/ FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc Echomail [pending] WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN] General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti List servers: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: Net 264: http://www.net264.org Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19 Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/ ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German) Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/ FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 18 7 Dec 1998 Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian) ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm ============ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ============ Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor, and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If FIDONEWS 15-49 Page 19 7 Dec 1998 no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages should list access points to all Networks within the Region. TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone. -----------oOo------------- Fidonet Via Internet Hubs Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ 1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo. 1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo. 1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c 1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $10/$20mo. 1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20 1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo. 1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c 1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr. 1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c 1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo. 1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr. 1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo. 1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr. 1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo. 2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c 2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c 2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c 4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c 5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers [I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet. Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed. 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'. | \/ \ |\_|--o ) |\_|--o ; |\_|--o | |:| '--' |:|'.__.' |:|\ / |:| |:| |:| `---` |:|_ |:|_ |:|_ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. |M| |E| |R| |R| |Y| |X| |M| |A| |S| (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) /\Y/\ /\Y/\ /\Y/\ /\Y/\ /\Y/\ /\Y/\ /\Y/\ /\Y/\ /\Y/\ [XXX] [XXX] [XXX] [XXX] [XXX] [XXX] [XXX] [XXX] [XXX] ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Eleven Pipers Piping _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) ,/_) (") (") (") (") (") (") (") (") (") (") (") /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ /I\ (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) (/^\) ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ _|||_ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ten Lords A-Leaping w w w 0__ \0__ \0__ w /|_ w /_ /_ __0/ '\/ / \0_ '\/ / w '\/ / /_ ` /_ ` __0/ ` `\/ \, _\ \, /_ w ` `\/ \, \0__ w w /_ 0__ w \0__ _\ \, /|_ __0/ |_ ` `\/ \, /_ _\ \, `\/ /, ` Nine Ladies Dancing |~ () () 0` |~ () _/)(\_ () _/)(\_ 0` _/)(\_ /^^\ () _/)(\_ /""\ /~~\ /____\ _/)(\_ /``\ /____\ /____\ /""\ /____\ () () /____\ _/)(\_ () |~ _/)(\_ () /^^\ _/)(\_ 0` |~ /``\ _/)(\_ /____\ /~~\ 0` /____\ /~~\ /____\ /____\ Eight Maids A-Milking __.----. __.----. __.----. __.----.___ (\(__)/)-' (\(__)/)-' (\(__)/)-' (\(__)/)-' ;--` `(uu)' _ `(dd)' _ `(gg)' _ `(vv)' _ | ) ( (|) ) ( (|) ) ( (|) ) ( (|) | (o o) 8~8 (o o) 8~8 (o o) 8~8 (o o) 8~8 ,/ `--'\_ (__).`--'\_ (__).'`--'\_ (__).'`--'\_ _(__)| `|||~~/\|| `|||~~/\|| `|||~~/\|| `||~|| /\|| ^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^ __.----. __.----. __.----. __.----.___ (\(__)/)-' (\(__)/)-' (\(__)/)-' (\(__)/)-' ;--` `(99)' _ `(66)' _ `(aa)' _ `(ee)' _ | ) ( (|) ) ( (|) ) ( (|) ) ( (|) | (o o) 8~8 (o o) 8~8 (o o) 8~8 (o o) 8~8,/ `--'\_ (__).'`--'\_ (__).`--'\_ (__).`--'\_ _(__)| `|||~~/\|| `|||~~/\|| `|||~~/\|| `||~|| /\|| ^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^`^ Seven swans A-Swimming ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ /,_ \ /,_ \ /,_ \ /,_ \ /,_ \ /,_ \ /,_ \ _, |/ )/ |/ )/ |/ )/ |/ )/ |/ )/ |/ )/ |/ )/ / | // _/ |// _/ // _/ // _/ // _/ // _/ // _/ | / (_/ / (_/ / (_/ / (_/ / (_/ / (_/ / (_/ _) / ` / ` / ` / ` / ` / ` / ` _/) \ ~=- \ ~=- \ ~=- \ ~=- \ ~=- \ ~=- \ ~=- / ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Six Geese A-Laying __ __ __ __ __ __ >(' ) >(' ) >(' ) >(' ) >(' ) >(' ) )/ , )/ , )/ , )/ , )/ , )/ , /(____/\ /(____/\ /(____/\ /(____/\ /(____/\ /(____/\ / ) / ) / ) / ) / ) / ) \ ` =~~/ \ ` =~~/ \ ` =~~/ \ ` =~~/ \ ` =~~/ \ ` =~~/ `---Y-' __ `---Y-' __ `---Y-' __ `---Y-' __ `---Y-' __ `---Y-' __ ~~' (__) ~~' (__) ~~' (__) ~~' (__) ~~' (__) ~~' (__) Five Golden Rings .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. 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