Comment by theconstellinguist on 30/01/2024 at 20:27 UTC*

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Yeah, I saw that too. That was what it started as, way back when, but then the understanding evolved and intellectual disability and autism clearly were different features of the mind. In fact, regression to the mean and failure to understand what "neurodiversity" means is a lot of why that happened to begin with...if it's not the average, it's intellectually disabled. That's very narcissistic. That said, some autistic people are also intellectually disabled in what that is supposed to mean, namely, *they do not learn the given material with any tenacity even when it is taught in a variety of ways to account for neurodiversity*. But when someone says someone is disabled while making a visual learner learn verbally, they're just grossly incompetent, because give that same learned a visual aid, and they get right on track or even ahead of the curve.

Anyway, one does not necessarily predict the other, unless in a particularly ignorant society that reads neurodiversity/stimming needs that way. The fact they are that behind the times really blows my mind.

And yeah, hitting your head against the wall is self-harm. Self-harm happens at any IQ level. Try not to create stigma about self-harm and intelligence.

I'm in another thread right now where they were showing how intellectually gifted adults who were not given the right intellectual stimulation were self-harming including stabbing their skin and hitting their head on the wall. They were doing this because they were too ahead of their sensory environment, not too behind it. They were speaking with people who did not even having remotely matching IQs in some cases and it was creating enormous distress to the point they were self harming and suicidal, especially if the intelligence differences were evoking narcissistic rage that got them harmed when they tried to basically communicate at the intelligence level they were at.

Learning to communicate at lower levels only happens later in life; younger kids who are gifted and neurodiverse may be in extreme distress if they're trying to just understand their own brain they just landed in with its higher cognitive needs and someone is trying to force them down two notches hampering what they need to develop even before they know what they need. Could make anyone self-harm.

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